So is Sekiro or DMC 5 better?
These games are uncomparable and your poll is stupid. Here's a better one.
Which game is better? Tetris or Deus Ex?
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Sekiro.
Lol at thinking that juggling braindead sandbags is complex
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devil may cry is the better game by far. runs better, looks better, sounds better plays better, etc. sekiro would be forgotten if it didn't have the fromsoftware brand name.
DMC is fun
Sekiro is for retards who want to pretend they're good at video games on Yea Forums
Sekiro is a game.
DMC is baby's first watered down fighting game with shit levels, enemies, bosses, etc.
>sounds better
Fuck no, Sekiro has infinitely better sound design
Try again
Truth hurts
DMC to look stylish
Sekiro to feel accomplished
I havent played Sekiro yet as I'm still trying to platinum DMC5 and with bloody palace out, I'm still having fun with it. It's been forever since I've been invested in a game like this, been a DMC fan since the first one came out, and I love that it's faithful to the series with minimal political shoehorning and pandering.
Being said, I've heard good things about Sekiro as well, looking forward to getting stuck in since I love the Souls series too (Im aware Sekiro plays differently). Also like the Tenchu style it has.
I like this post
lol...
Yes I too feel accomplishment after beating a boss after he killed me 20 times, I totally feel like I showed him and didn't just learn his shit inside out.
From brainlets have no clue about game design or psychology and that's why you enjyo these shit games, you lack half a brain.
I like both
DMC to learn mastery
Sekiro to learn memorization
DMC5 is an somewhere between 8.5/10 and 9/10. A really great game.
Sekiro is between 7.5/10 and 8/10. A very solid game but with too many shortcomings in all aspects other than gameplay. Compared to previous Miyazaki games it just pales in comparison.
Both are the GOTY
Fuck off faggot.
DMC5 because I haven't played Sekiro yet.
pretty good evaluations. though I think the points are mostly irrelevant considering both games are extremely based and should be regarded as examples what video game industry should look like.
both are for incels
Why do Soulsfags treat everything like it's a competition?
Cringe
Based, but the poll shouldve just said that OP was a fag.
Yup I'd agree with this. It was pretty frustrating week one of Sekiro's release because the fanbase circlejerks itself into a git gud froth over any criticisms, even if they're unrelated to difficulty, but now that people are finishing it they're all coming to the same conclusion: it's pretty average.
Yeah I like them both, just think DMC does all of what it "should" do a bit better than Sekiro.
For example, Sekiro's stealth aspect is half-assed and feels tacked on. Its OST is pretty forgettable and they gave it very little replayability.
Sekiro is a much better game on your first playthrough.
DMC5 is okay for a first playthrough but only difficult if you beat the game multiple times. And I never found combo autism fun. I'm not fighting a boss 100x when I can already beat him just so I can do it stylishly.
Practicing brain surgery is complex but that doesnt make it fun you braindead retard, we are talking about which game is better not which game is "more complex"
Dmc is sekiro for retards and edgelords
>DMC is baby's first watered down fighting game
Are you 10 years old?
Unironically git gud
Your combos change as difficulty goes up. Once enemies get their own DT's they get more armor on moves and don't stay in flight as long without specific tricks.
Style is just one part of it, efficiency matters too. Dante is fucking hard to be really good with too as he can't just keep pulling the enemy to him like Nero can.
Sekiro is Souls if someone took the soul out of Souls.
But DMC 5 has more possibilities,especially with Dante,Nero is on par with very good videogame controls and options,Dante is beyond anything desu desu
more accurately, it's a baby's first watered down fighting game with everything but training mode cut out
in what fighting game do you fight multiple opponents at the same time?
I cant believe tetris is winning.
Maybe it is too much to ask for serious discussion here but I'll try
Does the context and repercussion of a game should be taking into account when judging how "good" that game is? I mean should Doom be judged simply based on how the game plays right now or how innovative it was and how big of an impact caused in the industry when it came out?
Glad dmc v is getting the recognition it deserves.
>write dumb shit to get bunch of (you)s
90% posts itt
You never played DMC
>Sekirolets getting completely exposed ITT
Love it
You never played DMC
Especially watered down part kek.
I doubt there will be a 3d fighter more complex than any character of DMC 5
Cope from "reeee gimme ez mode!!!" babby lol
Dante has fun weapons, and hero's red queen is so boring.
Because that's how real life works.
*Vroom Vroom* is boring
Nero* damn autocorrect.
It is. The best thing he has is his arms, but without being able to switch them, i feel like i cant utilize them peoperly.
I think dmc5 is a better game but Sekiro offers a harder challenge
I'm having more fun with Sekiro. Also, DMC5 is same old gameplay, nothing new except for V who is not bad but not that good either.
This. OP is gay as the fires of hell
>didn't just learn his shit inside out.
But that's the point, you learned the boss and beat him. Wtf else would there be to feel "accomplishment" in a lazy as fuck hobby like vidya. 1st trying a boss is just an extra bonus.
It's the opposite.
Gotta put something like Buster arm at slot 4-5
Overture and Gerbera is meant to be be broken with the overclock moves they have
SSX is the superior stylish combo series, DMC has always been brainless casual trash. People always meme with NG but DMC and NG aren’t even in the same genre
This is an interesting read as someone who actually managed to #1 world events in SSX 2012 and struggles to beat Bloody palace in DMCV
Unless you're going to say I've never played other SSX games and only 2012 so I must suck at those or something
Sekiro is fun. Fighting the behemoth as Nero on dmd is anti-fun.
dmc5 is a lot of fun and has a lot of replayability while sekiro has..
Dmc was before sekiro and any shitty souls game, also formdrones took some assets from dmc games
Phonefaggot piece of sperm
Sekiro is harder than dmc5’s dmd more. Unless you’re trying to S rank.
It's true. dmc5 could've been 11/10 if dmd was harder than dmd dmc3. But the game is still a lot of fun despite that.
It seems Yea Forums has reached a consensus, cuckiro sucks lmaooooo
People who say DMC5 is shit cause it's button mashing don't get the point of the game. Why you might ask? Because they are retarded, like seriously.
Played DMC5, really liked it, now finishing Sekiro and it appeals to different players but still really good, Souls will feel like shit afterwards.
Overall I would say DMC5 is better because I could replay that while Sekiro I probably won't.
I prefer DMC5 but it's retarded to even compare the two, they're both great at achieving their wildly different aims.
I haven't played either game yet, and its hard deciding what I should spend $60 on. Leaning Sekiro just because I heard so much bitching about the difficulty and it has me intrigued.
They're both excellent action games that excel at different things that they're trying to accomplish.
This is like asking if Alien or Aliens is better, they're different kind of movies doing different things.
They're both good at what they do. I prefer Sekiro for the challenge, but I had a blast with DMC too. It's been a good year for games so far. The only idiots fighting about it are the ones who can only afford one game a year, probably as a birthday gift from their parents.
Tetris always wins baby
The game about the guy with the prosthetic arm.
>People who say DMC5 is shit cause it's button mashing don't get the point of the game.
that and they never played it. How the fuck can you get by any dmc game besides 2 by just button mashing the same 3 hit combo? Even on Normal mode, Phantom, Cerberus, Berial and Goliath can't be beaten by just button mashing you still have dodge and find the right time to attack, its the same with any action game. And even if they got by only dodging and using the same combo you'll only get a B rank or lower for not being good with combos.
This is exactly the reason I pre ordered DMCV and am waiting for a sale on Sekiro, I don't feel like I'd bother going through it again once the initial discovery is gone.
the only reason DMC doesn't have so much bitching is because people pick easy and then complain that it is too easy.
I prefer the one where the game demands you lose to the boss at beginning.
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so both games?
Sekiro then, because DMCV allows you to beat the prologue boss and rewards you by unlocking DMD instantly
People like you ruin shit nigger
you can beat urizen bozo.
armond white would hate trash like the games miyazaki makes
I bought both on release and I wish I waited for a sale for dmc5. It's not bad, but it was rather underwhelming.
God damn how do people unironically get enjoyment out of games like dmc5? It's all flash and no substance and you literally press one input to win. Is everyone here fucking 12?
While you are right, I think it's more there for people willing to go straight up a difficulty level, it stops all the "HURR THE GAME EXPECT ME 2 BEAT IT TWICE FOR GOOD DIFFICULTY"
Well guess what nigger, if you're as good as you THINK you are, you can beat urizen with no breakers, but since you didn't or can't, you're not.
try playing without auto-assist on
and get a joke ending. the game forces you to lose to him to open up rest of the content.
>It's all flash and no substance
it's the complete opposite, but I'm replying to bait so have your you.
>beat Sekiro NG+ with Bell Demon and No Kuro's Charm
>getting destroyed by DMC5's first level boss (Goliath)
I don't get how this game is supposed to work. I'm trying to do mad combos in the air and get hit by everything. This game punishes being in the air unless you dodge out with that one devil breaker, but you can't swap devil breakers at will which is fucking awful.
Thats my reasoning too. Except I didn't pre order I just bought it normally. dmc replayabilty can last forever with its combat but the worlds of fromsoft games are so mesmerizing the first time through. I wish capcom put some effort into its level designs for dmc5. Once it goes on sale I'll definitely get sekiro.
Found the fromdrone that played on human.
Why didn't they just design the game without it? Sounds fucking retarded if you have to disable the games features to make it playable.
Nope. It's not.
SoS actually
are you honestly trying to say "uh acktually"?
you can't just stay in the air like a retard, you need to pay attention and avoid Goliath's attacks (which can hit you in the air)
>Why didn't they just design the game without it?
they did retard.
so we're agreed that DMC is the worst game of the year, right?
>This game punishes being in the air unless you dodge out with that one devil breaker,
dont just mash randomly. Find the best time to attack. Buying enemy step and double jump can help, if you slash in the air and you see him about to swing, you can jump on his body to position yourself away and keep slashing.
I haven't played Sekiro, but i kind of doubt there's any bosses that are half as good as Vergil.
>so we're agreed that DMC is the worst game of the year, right?
60% disagrees with you
worst fanbase for sure
same fucking falseflag thread every day
don't forget to report
Second guy isn't wrong though.
Being able to win doesn't actually mean you're expected to, and you are forced to lose to actually play the game
None of the games have decent PvP so they gotta start shit on image boards.
Then why can I still win by pressing one button?
I agree the first hype threads and release threads were fun but now its just fujos, stale memes and barryposting.
which button is that?
3 DMD was fucking garbage
>same fucking falseflag thread every day
What falseflag? And why would you assume it's always DMCfans?
Sekiro easily.
DMCV is not bad but it's just more of the same.
>Second guy isn't wrong though.
the first playthrough is basically a tutorial. it always has been. beating urizen is just a fast track to a normal playthrough.
Point is that you gotta lose to him though, even if you beat him on DH, you're going to have to lose to him at some point to actually play the fucking game
>worst fanbase for sure
Yeah reminds me of the people who constantly hype up the latest shounen anime on Yea Forums.
because you're playing with auto assist on, you fucking retard.
why do people keep posting this "just mash" meme when anyone played dmc knows it's wrong?
because people who haven't played DMC believe it and spread it
I haven't played DMC5 yet but voted for it because soulsfags are obnoxious redditors.
Apples to oranges. Both games are good yet too different to compare.
>this argument
>ever using this argument for single player games
Why does anything think Sekiro is any different than DMC when it comes to memorization? They both have the same type of difficult enemies that require you to memorize to either beat or beat with a stylish flair.
You are all fucking retarded. If you want single player action games to be more than patterns you actually want to play multiplayers games
A game with hallway levels, boring combo outdated PS2 combat, and a pay to win continue system vs a game with unique combat, level design, and no microtransactions. Wow, hard choice.
Same but reversed.
>a rehash of a 10 year old game is worse than an even bigger rehash of a 20 year old game
>the premier role-playing and immersive sim game of all vidya is worse than the fucking gaming equivalent of that toy where kids put blocks into the correctly shaped holes
What the fuck is wrong with you all? You must not play a lot of games if you're fine with rehashes and primitive genres.
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>Sounds fucking retarded if you have to disable the games features to make it playable.
It's not ment to be used, it's just there for casuals and because the first DMC had it too, and why are you playing on the easiest difficulty with automatic on? It literally let's the game play itself instead of you taking control and getting good at it, are you this shit at games?
but why even bother posting it in dmc related threads, where dmcfags probably lurk. Its like starting a fighting game thread with "directional inputs are artificial difficulty" anyone whose a part of the community knows its bullshit.
>you'll only get a B rank or lower for not being good with combos
Oh, no. Wouldn't want that would we?
Just kidding. Who gives a flying fuck what arbitrary grade a game gives you?
Where's the "I like both" button?
Only fromdrones would think sekiro is better
>He took the bait that DMC could be beaten by mashing blindly
lol
Context is needed because great sequels can make great original games oitdated simply because they are essentially the same game with one being more updated
because it's fun to get better at stuff
In op's mom
they're not trying to change the minds of the fans, they're trying to generate kneejerk criticism whenever the game is brought up in other threads
it works all the time
>Who gives a flying fuck what arbitrary grade a game gives you?
For challenge, being the best you can be.
I don't like Souls games, and I'm having more fun with Sekiro. I'm surprised people are willing to look past dmc5's obvious flaws. I expected it to be much better.
Probably anyone with a dash of any type of pride, but that's a man's trait, wouldn't expect a boy to understand.
Now overcompensate and tell me how many millions you make while you rage on a fucking anonymous board about video games.
the mind of the average Yea Forumsuser doesn't have the capacity to like two things at once
Hot Topic Simulator could never be better than a From game. Really you're asking how awful Yea Forums's tastes are, and we already know, they're awful.
>boring combo outdated PS2 combat
>old bad meme
>vs a game with unique combat
>Sekiro has unique combat
Lmao, ok buddy
Good joke. Only people who grew up with DMC think DMC5 is good. Plenty of people who hate souls are enjoying Sekiro.
Find something better to be good at than a shit game
Devil May Cry 5 is a fast paced action game that requires skill.
Sekiro is an action-adventure stealth game that requires strategy.
Both are great games.
The real reason people think DMC5 is easy button mashing is because they mash stinger/streak and use a gold orb every time they die from this retarded strategy because the game hands them out like candy. They have no shame in getting nothing but C and B on human or devil hunter
OH NO NO NO NO
I'm pretty good at making you look stupid
I fell for this and died too many times to Cerberus in 3 and unlocked easy modebut on the bright side I started playing dmc ironically thanks to shitposting
No they're not.
Sekiro is a shit game filled with artificial level design and no difficulty options.
>Love all the souls games
>Love samurai shit
>Hate Sekiro
I'll be waiting for Nioh 2
lmao git gud
I never said I had it on. I was replying to anons strawman. I don't even know what it is.
How can you like souls and enjoy nioh? The quality of nioh is fucking trash in comparison.
>he likes nioh
yuck
>someone who can use genres properly (well, almost.. I would say Sekiro is more tactics than strategy because you can't plan long-term stuff like build choices etc in terms of a strategy unlessyou already know the game battles that will come up).
>on Yea Forums
Wow. And you're not either of these ..right?
Probably because Sekiro isn't about a samurai but a shinobi.
Think Tenchu
>Hot Topic Simulator
>Nero is poor and takes care of orphans
>Dante runs a business that gives him shit money because he does most of his jobs for a cheap price or even free
>V is the only edgy fag in the whole game and yet he still doesn't feel that edgy because if how fun he is to watch with griffon
How is this a hot topic simulator when the characters are literally just broke?
Loot.
>this logic
Find a better hobby that doesn't waste your time like video-games you nerd
This. The only people who say DMC5 is easy are scrubs who relied on gold orbs to win and got shit ranks. Try S-ranking Vergil before you call the game easy.
Because Nioh adds enough to the formula that its no just another run of the mill souls clone. Its got the Souls DNA in there for sure but it really builds into its own thing. Once you git gud with ki pulsing it feels so fucking satisfying.
Well I just meant the fantasy japan setting in general. My first build on Nioh was a ninja and loved every second of it.
For me personally that's one of its biggest flaws is its half baked Diablo rip off loot system but to each their own I guess
DMCV is for literal toddlers, Sekiro is a man's game.
No you.
Sekiro is about memorization because everything has one correct answer and doing anything else is ineffective. Parry the hit, jump the sweep, counter the thrust. My favorite example is Owl 2’s gunpowder combo which is a one-hit kill if you do literally anything besides jump backwards because you can’t interrupt it, it’s unblockable, and being anywhere near the follow up is instant death. A perfect fight in Sekiro is playing like a robot.
In DMC, moves have many many answers. You have more moves at your disposal and there’s more interactions. When Vergil makes like a jet, there’s a bunch of different ways to dodge, block, or knock him out of it. The perfect fight isn’t robotically doing if input A then output B, because your ranking sucks if you just do the same thing. That’s a huge difference.
>picking both sides
>a centrist
retard
You guys are retarded. Being the best you can be against made up rules is a waste of time. They could just make a near infinite amount of grades that require 50 chain combos and frame perfect inputs. It means nothing. The game isn't hard, it's just hard to get the game to tell you that you're good because of bullshit they made up. There is no point to mastering a game just so the game can tell you that you're good when you can use the same time to get good at a multiplayer game and actually overcome challenges that aren't made up.
kys fromdrone
Saying that just makes it sound like Sekiro is for 15 year olds.
t.toddler
This pics pictures anything but a centrist.
It's that plus all the combo videos of people styling on enemies so they assume its easy to do. Anyone who any dmc game knows theres always an enemy that punishes mashing anyway, like phantom or the big reaper in 3.
I've never been into the souls series due to the difficulty and not having much time to spend on games. However I just accept that the game is not for me and move on. DMC 5 is easy to play in chunks and the base difficulty is pretty easy to clear. Also you can do cooler shit in DMC 5 action wise.
The games are not really comparable. I picked Sekrio but it hurt me greatly to pick a side here. I can watch any Vergil cutscene and it gives me a big smile while I didn't care for any character in Sekiro. Honestly the games couldn't be further from each other, they're almost total opposites when it comes to action games.
>more souls games than DMC games
>it's more of the same!!
>jump backwards
You can roll forwards for a punish, you just exposed yourself as a shitter.
does he genuinely believe this or is he baiting I honestly can't tell
Dante's gameplay alone is better than Sekiro.
t. centrist
Sekiro can't be played like a Souls game, V plays like every other DMC.
Sekiro is wildly different from the other souls games.
this is very clearly a Sekiro or DMC thread, you don't get to pick both
>it's a waste of time
Video-games in general are, and yet here you are
>the game isn't hard
It doesn't need to be, would make it better though, thankfully we have higher difficulties to replay that gives us a reward in the end too and also gives it replay value
>Demon souls released after DMC4
So we got Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, BloodBorne, Dark Souls 3 all before DMCV
>4 souls games
>5 dmc games
5>4
Yeah, I have no desire to keep playing, got my money's worth tho
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Bullshit, show me the evidence. He body-blocks you on the long combo abd if you’re anywhere near the gigantic hitbox you instantly die. I tried that a few times and it doesn’t work you lying faggot.
you're just wrong.
sekiro is actually fun.
dmc5 isnt.
>Literally release 5 god damn games between the span of DMC4-5
>Calling anything "More of the same"
Okay zoomie time for bed
DMC5 has too many teleporting enemies.
Sekiro has too many ranged cancer enemies.
Both suck.
post yfw you will never be as much of a "victim" as this guy
not including bosses I'm pretty certain only about one or two enemies actually teleport in DMCV
i think only 3ish bosses teleport as well
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Good players don't play like a pussy like you.
Everyone knows that Sekiro is the more popular one of the two. Does not necessarily make it better though.
Did you consider that there might be more to the quality of a game than how little of a rehash it is?
I much prefer DMC 5. I didn’t die even once and with Sekiro I can’t get past first boss. DMC 5 was like looking a real good movie and Sekiro is just hard
All that matters is that KH3 is bad. Bad gameplay and awful story. Why do good games like Sekiro and DMC5 deserve shitposting on par with KH3? The logic is beyond me.
Both are shitty Yea Forums core garbage for plebs with no taste in video games
>the tryhard platform prefers the tryhard game
dodge to the right when he throws gunpowder, you'll be surprised
in return for my protip, tell me what to do when king cerberus does his phase change explosion, all I can do as nero is run away
>DMC5
>actual sequel that only adds options to the player to help combat feel even more dynamic
>Sekiro
>Somehow shallower than MGR which has swordmode cancels and dodge offset but looks pretty
I know my answer.
Same.
Also Sekiro isn't hard. It's badly designed.
You're comparing the mechanical differences between dungeon crawler and bmup game combat as if that invalidates these specific games themselves. You're also indirectly saying crawlers should never have existed since bmups already had more stylish (improvisatory) combat, completely missing the point of crawlers such as Sekiro.
DMCV fans sure are brainlets. Maybe that's why they think yet another rehash of a 20 year old game is better than a lesser-rehash of a 10 year old game.
There's Fury and that summoner guy with rope arms and a spinning attack. Both fucking suck, so I get where he's coming form.
I can't imagine how is V supposed to deal with Furies, must be hell on earth.
just parry him with your cane bro
You’re wasting my time with this shit. Owl does the move once at like 2:24 and he backs the fuck away. I don’t see any other instance of “rolling behind” on the long combo.
>I can't imagine how is V supposed to deal with Furies
If you bothered actually learning how they fight you just parry them with the cane?
And the stringy arm guys are easy as fuck, I see most retards stinger them when approaching them when idle triggers the teleport, if you wait for their attack and then juggle them it's easy as fuck to kill them
Sekiro is ha-
All this ever provokes is people trying to find reasons why one game is shittier than the other even if those people generally like both games. Fuck you.
>exposing yourself as an absoloute shitter
you can dodge literally straight through it and punish owl you fucking retard. Bet you got parried like a bitch.
As someone who played DMC5 as a newcomer and somebody who played Sekiro after finding out it wasn't soulsborne, DMC5 just barely. I think Sekiro is probably the best game From Software's made, but DMC5 is just a non-stop barrage of fun. I liked V, so bringing him up as a negative does nothing for me.
Both are decent 9/10s and great assets to an already stellar year in video games.
He will never do that move if you are aggressive and stick on him. Sounds like you just play like a pussy. Post your Isshin Bell/Charm run and then you can talk.
Sekiro is the best game ever made.
Both games are fine just different methods of execution and style of gameplay. Having had played demonsouls-BB games from From software since inception, I'd say that maybe it's the saturation of the market that made the game less enjoyable. Not that the game is in any way bad per se but that there have been too many games emulating it's style for it to feel as impactful. DMC 5 is tongue in cheek and I only edge out my vote to that game because it came a time where it was more easily appreciated after a bevy of games which tried to emulate "souls" style gameplay, whatever that actually means to people.
tl:dr; I've had enough vanilla and want some chocolate.
none of Souls are hard.
>parry with the cane
That's the problem, I suck at parrying. Rawhide is a godsend for me as Nero. Thankfully I didn't encounter a Fury with V yet, but it's just a matter of time.
I get that you have to let the spinning fags do their thing and then lift them into the air, but they just teleport after like 2 hits. Don't you have to stagger them first before you're able to do that though?
I'm convinced that people gushing about Sekiro's combat never played past MGR on normal or even hard, it's really shallow at its core.
I guess even with a guide you'll never beat Owl :(
But don't worry, the training dummy is always there for you to SSS on!
I think it will age like a fine wine, remember even when bloodborne came out Yea Forums did nothing but shit on the game and years later threads started popping up debating whether or not it was the best game of the generation.
Sekiro is not an exclusive so it won't be as hot of a shitposting topic as Bloodborne.
This fucking shallow way of thinking is what makes 'Souls' games so popular. You completely lack the interest and ability to challenge yourself so when the game isnt doing it for you you feel like the activity isnt worth your time. Having more than hundred moves at your disposal with hundreds of different ways to show off your style uhh nono I just want to kill the big bad guy by going where the fence is on its lowest. In souls games you cannot even tell who is good or bad from other than the amount of cheese used because the game has so little room in its combat other than punish into hit.
>braindead AI
>sandbag
>training dummy
Where did meme about dmc enemies being bad come from? I'm playing through it currently and they all attack, you still have to dodge. Its even harder then 4 because more enemies have armor now and don't flinch. I still wouldn't call it Sekiro or dark souls tier hard but you fags are exaggerating way too much.
dodge into punish*
Rehash implies it is less inspired than the original, otherwise it would just be a worthy sequel. The environmental and enemy designs suck in DMCV, and the game is way too easy, besides playing towards the goal of making the fucking overly produce an "S" text, a goal that's essentially part of the fucking player HUD instead of the actual game world, completely breaking immersion.
name a game with a combat system that isn't shallow, then. no fighting games.
> dmc winning
v confirmed for being shit in vidya
Basically as gaming gets bigger there are more and more children who haven't even touched games outside of what tripleA or youtubers feed them. Action games have always been niche so the complexity of the games aren't really known to casuals. So when zoomers/casuals are talking and someone brings up something they don't know they try to make it out as a simple game instead of admitting that maybe they haven't played many games at all. That's literally it, its a meme started by the same sorta casuals that want to pretend fighting games are all muscle memory and that muscle memory isn't a skill to be learned.
Try playing bayo, ninja gaiden or sekiro and compare the enemy ai to what you have in dmc.
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DMC is much harder and has a far higher skill ceiling.
It's just the only thing FROMdrones have and so they have to shove it everywhere in every argument just to prove that the game is better, if we to compare every gameplay mechanic in both games all what Sekiro has that DMC doesn't is stealth
enlighten us with your superior taste user.
>much harder
>highest difficulty you can choose on your first playthrough is a fucking cake walk designed to be accessible to the lowest common denominator
>fucking angry joe was able to beat the game (he's never reviewed a single souls game ever)
>bu-but, you have to beat the game so that you can beat the game, but this time, its for reaal bro
Okay:
>DMC 3,4,5
>Bayonetta 1
>Ninja Gaiden 1,2
>Godhand
>Jedi Academy
>Nioh
>Gunz the duel 1,2
I could go on but you get the point, Sekiro is a highly refined game with its systems but there's very little you can do with it. The ability for players to flourish is minimal making it about Aces Wild tier in terms of combat depth. Its about what a player can do outside the rigid system of mikiri counters, parries, etc which is very very little. Meanwhile in a game with similar mechanics but still has cancels. youtube.com
why does a game thats designed to played multiple times have to hard from the outset?
*why does a game that is designed to be played multiple times have to be hard from the outset.
God damn - forgive me I'm ESL
>game is literally about testing combat mastery
>hurrdurr only my first playthrough counts
>he couldn't even defeat urizen to unlock son of sparda in the tutorial
>pointing out some youtuber beating it when every popular youtuber is and has beaten fromshit games
We got ourselves a retard here folks, a bonified re tard.
>DMC
>Bayonetta
Nope. Juggling enemies with different arbitrary combos is not "complex", no matter how various.
>Ninja Gaiden 1,2
Cheeseable as fuck
>Godhand
Almost, but no. Every fight ends up being about getting the "mash circle" QTE. Again, variety in combos does not make for complexity if the results aren't meaningfully different.
Haven't played the others, you may be right about them
>accessibility is bad boohoo!!
>how will I now feel good about me beating the game if people can do it on easy!!
gatekeepers
This is the most based post ITT, fuck Barry and fuck KH3
sekiro has absolutely no replay value
>Nope. Juggling enemies with different arbitrary combos is not "complex", no matter how various.
Aside from the fact that you obviously haven't played any of these games on the hardest difficulty I'm very curious to see how a brainlet like you argues that Combos are pointless and not complex.
Trick question. The correct option is that DMC5 and Sekiro are both leagues better than FF15
imagine being this mad that I called out your piss easy beat em up. If you want to compare artificial difficulty modes than try beating old isshin or hatred demon on ng+6 with the bell on and compare it to a fucking easter egg
dr faust though
>Trannies and journalists raided the poll
Lmao
Just wanted to let you know I know the aim of your post and I appreciate that a man like you is out here making the world a better place
DMCV is much better than Sekiro. Higher difficulties are more challenging than Sekiro and the combat is infinitely better. It's faster it has more options, better movement, better combos(Dante), better everything. Sekiro is slow and unrefined in comparison. And now with bloody palace it's even better.
The same ones that pushed DmC?
Weird.
Just bought and played them both. Like them both a ton. Probably prefer Sekiro slightly due to DMC5 starting modes being far too easy and V getting old very quick.
If you dont like juggling and you know playing the game instead of waiting for punishes... Why not play a REAL FIGHTNING GAME? A game that is its own genre and has been refined for 1v1 experience with more moves than a fucking dodge, parry and R1.
its not piss easy though, DMD is fucking difficult and bloody palace while not nearly as hard as previous is still a challenge. I'd love sekiro if my only tactic wasn't just parry.
based
You can start the game on DMD if you're competent enough to beat Urizen in the prologue. To quote the Soulsfag bible, you literally have to "git gud" in order to even attempt the hardest difficulties for your first playthrough. Playing on DH and whining on the internet is a much easier option though.
no, the ones from the dmc discord
>uuuh fightning games suck! theres combos and juggling I think combat should be only about R1
this is him
Anything is better than ff15
Way to oust yourself as a shitposter that hasn't played any of these titles
it only unlocks SoS sweetie
Having to cope as a fromdrone must be terrible. The best part about you trying to pretend like multiple playthroughs don't matter in DMC is that were talking about DMC5. In DMC5 the first time you fight vergil has nero they specifically give you DT regen because the fight is a tutorial to help the player understand nero's Devil trigger and buster. It's literally a tutorial mode to ween you into the next difficulty where this will be playable. So really you've only proven you haven't played the game and are a moron.
That must suck.
So what happens when you beat him again on SoS smartypants? Or did you forget how to fight a guy you just reset to fight a dozen times?
...which lets you unlock DMD by beating Urizen in SOS.
>not knowing that unlike sekiro DMC immediately just starts throwing new enemy encounters and late game mobs from the get go making things significantly harder.
Really digging yerself a grave here.
>ITT: tastelet fags comparing two games on the basis of what the combat is like in their genres (so really, comparing the fucking genres themselves) and not the games as they actually stand within those genres.
so? git gud and beat them, shitter
lol urizen is a fucking trash boss fight. Imagine taking a boss that's FUN to play against whilst also being hard on his own, like Isshin, and comparing him to fucking Vergil sitting in his autism chair.
I appreciate the (you) but you've nabbed the wrong guy!
>ITT: Fromdrones pretend like they understand action games and DMC while failing to understand the basics of how the game works
sounds like someone got casual filtered LOL
>Vergil
>Not fun to fight
He's literally Vergil 3 that's actually geared to fight a 4 styled Dante.
Tbh a lot of new players probably stayed thanks to that.
I was talking about the final boss in the game you brainlet, holy shit not only can you not read but you really just confirmed you haven't played the game! Top kek!
It is trash boss thought. You dont really interact with him. You just wait for his attacks and hit when there is no specific attack coming. Kinda reminds me of a some game which is a lot about waiting and hitting back. *cough*
Doesnt change the fact DMC 5 is the best character action game ever
can he actually hit a one style dante who thinks he's playing souls and spams trickster dash all day?
>Plays easy normalfag games
>Won't shut the fuck up about how hardcore he is for playing them
>Claims the atrocious combat is good
>Responds to all criticism with "git gud"
>Ignores blatant design flaws or lazy hitboxes
>Spends more time on the internet waving his dick around over a singleplayer game than playing it
If Smashfags are the bronies of vidya, what are Fromfags?
not any worse than butthurt from haters that's for sure
Maybe if you only played dmc games. Even then it falls short with shitty story and awful levels compared to 3.
>DMC5 got shitted on by journos because they couldn't hear the dynamic track of devil trigger
>Sekiro is hated because of there is no easy mode.
>durr Tetris is teh best game evar lmao!!
This poll is proof we have been invaded by Reddit
If you're just going to be spamming the dash summon swords surrounding you is going to be a pain in the ass, not to mention if he launches you in SoS+ you get air combo'd, and if you're patient enough to merely dash and get your chip damage in the doppleganger will end any hope you had of actually fighting him
>DMCV brainlets can't even fathom that From games aren't pure action titles despite me pointing it out 3 times (and the last can't even be tl;dr for them
My post was just as much directed to the Fromdrones comparing solely on genre combat differences as the DMCV ones. But of course, as a DMCV brainlet, who is probably even worse than a Fromdrone since they defend a 20 year old rehash against a better 10 year old rehash, you couldn't discern that point, you just felt defensive of your shit taste and rationalized it as necessarily coming from a bitter Fromdrone.
Fucking illiterates.
Apple fans? Vegans? Vapefags/stoners?
Funniest post on Yea Forums today
Nope it is what it is, no game has been this fun ever which is what matters,Ninja Gaiden Black is close tho
>What is irony
whatever you say buddy
>Yeah God of war is way better...
pffffHAHAHAHAHAHAHA especially GOW 4 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
Actually I've said multiple times Sekiro is a stealth action game in the same way MGR is, only that Sekiro is shallower but albeit has better exploration. Thank you for wasting your time ranting about nothing though.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I much prefer, ng2 and bayo 1.
Speaking of illiteracy, the game is actually called DMC5, not DMC"V".
Not bad choices mate, not at all...
DMC5 is easy shit normals can beat
Sekiro is the real cuhrayzee
Ace Combat 7
I don't get how anyone can say Sekiro is more complex/deeper than DMC5. Literally all it takes to settle that matter is comparing footage of the highest level of play (yet) for each game. Whatever Sekiro footage comes up can probably be achieved by anyone in a few hours at most while DMC5 stuff will take you hundreds of hours to reach. Literally just ask yourself "could I do this?". Complexity /= quality, so it doesn't have to make DMC5 a better game but's it's clearly deeper.
Its because of V desu Sometimes it confuses tince the game is 5 kek
DMCV will never reach GOW4 sales, critical acclaim, and it will obviously never win game of the year.
>these are the kind of people voting for DMC5
DMC 5 only relies on artificial difficulty in DMD mode. Sekiro relies on artificial difficulty as its sole gimmick, as well as the other SoulsBorn games. Ergo,
DMC 5 > Sekiro
I don't like the gameplay in DMC5. Gave that shit up. Do the cutscenes ever stop?
Fromsoft fans are the same as halo fans. They both have games with massive casual appeal that are within their own genres middling at best. Yet because casuals have never played anything better and refuse to try anything that isn't regurgitated to them via youtube they'll claim their games are the bestest things ever on the planet. Before all this shitposting happen any action game fan would recognize the holy trinity as fact. Now we just have shitposting from idiots who just want to stir up shit or literally don't know any better.
Yea my man. That is from good character action games are known for nowadays. Big sales and wide audience. Retard.
betraying dmc while saying something else is cuhrayzee?
>Sekiro
>somehow shallower than completely unrelated game
Are you fucking retarded?
its only competition is Bayonetta and ninja gaiden thats not saying much.
>suppose
the lack of intense flaming received by making these kinds of mistakes has really taken a toll on this generation
and GOW4 will never be as good a game like DMC5 is
When you press start.
see Joggins that noggin
We can agree on that ,but really I dont want to shit on GOW 4 ,it takes a completely different direction than DMC5 and I dont like it at all,but yeah if you love GOW 4 you probably wont DMC5 desu desu.
Its less niche than DMC also
Halo fans are okay though because they piss off Quakefags and I hate them with a passion, maybe more than Fromfags. It's a close race
lol, even Sekiro has already outsold DMCV, you have no idea what a good character action game is.
not him but you guys really walking into that one
I enjoyed both games but to compare the two is apple and oranges now.
>less niche
it can't be less niche than DMC since it sold a lot more and is way more popular
Yep more sales=better game
As we all now FIFA is one of the best series ever aswell as COD
>Artifical difficulty in souls games
nice way to expose yourself, shitter
All those faggot children who grew up worshipping shit like DMC and God Hand and Gaiden were always casuals in disguise. Those games make people think they're good at games. Those same guys couldn't even beat Capra demon in a 1v1 without dogs because they're fucking trash at videogames.
Gaiden Black I always see in particular brought up as some hard as fuck masterpiece when it was just a bunch of 10 year olds on the xbox thinking they were tough little shits.
neither GOW4 or Sekiro are character action games
Posture bars = Zandatsu
Prosthetics = subweapons that provide different counters/utility to certain enemies
Consumables = consumables
Stealth = Not as broken as sekiro but still broken and shallow
Did you even play MGR? They are both heavily based around parrying and breaking enemy defenses. Stop being a moron.
Tetris is a timeless game that has hit peak performance with its simple, yet intuitive design both inviting for casuals and experts. In one thousand years you wont see deus ex but you'll be damned sure to see a tetris game or tetris clone with the very same mechanics as we have now.
Tetris is like throwing ball against wall of videogames, so simple yet entertaining that will never get old(but you dont wanna play it for a lot of time kek)
Glad you finally admit DmC was a great game.
you guys are really bad at arguing. You just keep moving the goalposts over and over.
Who would have thought sekirofags could surpass DMCfags as most toxic fanbase in such a sort time frame. Astonishing.
Tbh it is decent , great? absolutely not,its even worse than DMC 4 which isnt one of the best...
The marketing around fromsoft games is geared into making its playerbase insufferable as fuck.
>THIS GAME IS HARDCORE
>YOURE JUST SO HARDCORE FOR BEATING THIS GAME
Because theyre different games. One is muh hard punish into R1 which would lose all its credibility amongst gamerz if it wasnt hard and one is a seemingly braindead button smasher until you break your dunning kruger barrier. yea dmc5 is better.
>they share some mechanics so they are directly comparable
Utter retardation. I'm honestly amazed right now at how stupid you are.
>consumables
Totally not reaching here. Its not like almost every game ever made as consumables or anything.
its not specifically sekirofags is the fromsoftware fanbase in general. They've always been the most toxic besides smash bros. dmc has the most faggotry though
>DMCV brainlet removes all doubt about his idiocy by blatantly misusing genre labels
You should have taken the opportunity to shut up. Neither MGR or Sekiro are stealth games, they just uniquely have stealth mechanics in their genres. An actual stealth action game would be MGSV, or Splinter Cell: Blacklist. MGR is a pure action game (a modern bmup) while Sekiro is an action-adventure (a dungeon crawler/hack n slash), so that's why you think Sekiro is "shallower" but with "better exploration" because you're too retarded to see that saying such a thing is a fucking stupid tautology if you simply observe their genre goals.
Pedantry is a compensatory illiteracy you know: my mistake comes from it having such a prominent "V" on the cover as well as a character by that name.
where's the dog
This is a pretty dumb post not gonna lie.
DMCfags are bad if you're a sekirofag, and sekirofags are bad if you're a DMCfag. That's how every argument works here.
This. Sekekro is a good game and surely hard as hell but there's not so much behind the git gut meme. I think it's more of a plug title on a road to Bloodbourne 2.
Sorry kid, but I was actually sentient 15 years ago and I remember this is exactly how DMC fags were, except now we know it was unfounded because the cats out of the bag, DMC was never hard or tricky. It's superfluous showy shit that has no actual substance, it tricks people into thinking they're good at videogames, not that there's any merit to being good.
Sekiro doesn't waste your time, it just asks you to get good and beat the shit and move on, there's no gloaty cringey cutscenes and awful music.
>buzzword buzzword its bad, cringey, etc
Cool
Then how come 10x more players 100%'d Sekiro? It is even more absurb when considering that Sekiro is the bigger selling game meaning that it has more casuals which should floor the completion down and not up. DMC3 too.. I doubt many kids beat that on DMD. And now if you say something about having to play the game multiple times Souls games do that all the time.
I guess that makes sense
If you read my post you would know I already played Sekiro
NG > sekiro > dmc on hard > bayo on hard
in terms of difficulty. I've yet to try out dmc5 on DMD yet.
but to say dmc enemies are braindead is a brain dead statement.
Sekiro is still harder on a normal playthough, but I agree the dmc skill ceiling being higher.
Because in DMC 5 you have to do many things at once and its very very fast at higher difficulties so a lot of people say fuck it and stop playing,too much to deal with.
Fromsoft definitely have one of the worst fanbases considering how mediocre their games library is. Smashfags will always be the worst.
So it is hard???
You can keep moving goalposts as much as you want, both ninja gaiden 1/black and dmc1 had plenty of exploration in open ended areas but are still considered in the same genre. This doesn't change the fact that the marjority of the bosses and enemy encounter types are based around testing the combat. Which the game has significant parallels to MGR. If the adventure aspect of it is enough to downplay the shallow combat thats fine. But its still shallow compared to other action games in its genre.
Ninja Gaiden is great.
DMC is great.
Nioh is great.
DeS/DS1/3/BB are great.
Sekiro is great
It's absurd to me that not only are you fags comparing the games primarily on their genre differences but now you're also comparing the difficulty as if difficulty equates to whatever the highest potential 100% or side challenge completetion is, instead of just how difficult a regular immersive playthrough is. Idiots.
fuckin this, m8
its great getting great games.
based game-enjoyer
cope fromcuck
the hardest trophy in sekiro is grinding all the skills ROFL
Most people are not humble, they'd rather pretend games didn't have challenge at all than admit they might not know something in conversation.
My bloomer nigga
Action games are based on the fundamentals of testing combat mastery and multiple playthroughs. It would be silly to talk about difficulty without comparing the highest difficulty meant to be the final test of mechanical mastery.
DMC1 had exploration because it started off as a RE spin off, and NG1 had it because it was so early on and inspired by DMC. As the 3D bmup genre progressed this century it focused increasingly on the action and trimmed away that exploration inherited from RE. Both are still among the most borderline action-adventures in the bmup genre. That doesn't mean their exploration comes anywhere close to that of games in actual action-adventure genres such as Sekiro. If you want an actual action adventure game with which to promote your retarded bmup bias and genre ignorance with, you should be looking at Nier: Automata, not MGR.
You don't understand what moving the goalposts is, my entire premise is that you are all blind to the fact these two games are in different genres and compare them as such. The combat is different, Sekiro has dungeon crawler combat, which priorities inventory-management and defensive offence (parrying/dodging before getting a hit in then falling back to repeat) whereas DMC5 is bmup combat, more about comboing and crowd control, much more offensive.
Like all the other morons ITT you are judging their combat as if its the same genre. Of course by your bmup combat metric Sekiro will be inferior..
Based poorfag who seethes all day and believes his own narratives to cope
>lets compare these VASTLY different games because we're insecure as FUCK and have to FIGHT the other big game people are raving about
You sekiro fags are fucking pathetic and worse than smash fags good christ
I like how you automatically believe it’s Sekirofags doing it. Notice DMC5 is on top. That’s a subconscious bias by OP that indicates he’s a DMCfag. And that brings me to you seethefags aka BBfags who need to come to every thread that’s not about you and seethe about Sekiro.
barry btfo
>action games are about pedantically testing the highest levels of mechanical challenge, regardless of the diminished aesthetic quality of repeated playthroughs
So crazyfags are too crippled to even do e"sports", so they instead treat even SP games as sports (instead of immersive experiences that they are better at providing)
TRUE LIST OF SEKIRO'S SHORTCOMINGS:
-prosthetics and weapon arts are rarely useful, you're better off just parrying and mashing r1 90% of the time
-music is meh
-weak replayability because RPG elements outside of more health and damage don't change very much about how you should play the game
That's pretty much it. The game has good level design, atmospheric segments, and great bosses. It's a 9/10.
I like how you guys say Sekiro is weeb shit and don't realize how ironic it is that you think DmC 5 isn't.
It takes skill to humiliate DMD bosses and some stronger enemies. Also plenty of Sekiro enemies are worthless jobbers who don't even do damage within a hour into the game. I won't argue that the normal enemies AI don't atleast attack constantly in Sekiro but its the same effortless crap neither can compare in that aspect to Ninja Gaiden Black/2 where enemies try their hearts out , grab you out of block constantly if you hold it too long and can guard break you easily. Let alone in NG2 where they suicide on you at any given chance.
DMC5 is the better game objectively. DMD offers a more complete challenge then Sekiro does since Sekiro isn't hard once you get past the L1 learning curve and NG+ is like any other From game where it offers no new moves and just less fuck up possibility where as DMC both offers new moves/more aggressive AI/DTing AI and higher damage all the same. Id like to point out the new moves/patterns is mostly boss specific im aware.
Also DMC just runs better even on PC. Sekiro cannot even get 30fps on consoles ffs where as DMC can get a pretty consistent 60fps since From cannot do anything right. Sekiro also riddled with natural input delay and input queing for braindead mongs.
>DS3 is great.
Shill
>Nu-GOW
>Action game
Nigga that shit bored me to absolute death
Sekiro is better on Xbox and PC, didn’t buy it for PS4 cause poor fag
DMC5 was pretty good on PC and PS4 but a little clunky on my original XBox One
>All the Sekiro niggers saying DMC5 is braindead
Play on DMD or Hell and Hell. Fuck half of you would be filtered by SoS Dante Vergil anyways. Enemies actually try on DMD unless you run camera cheese which doesn't work for bosses and every enemy.
Sekiro past the learning curve isn't even a notable challenge. I wouldn't say DMD in DMC5 is either and that is coming from someone who did a no revive bitch run in that. NGB on hard feels rougher then both. Fuck I need to go do VH/MNM what a fantastic game.
Real talk though Sekiro well I don't enjoy it much has plenty of good things going for it. DMC is a wildly different game and coming from someone whose always loved action games as wildly different as DMC from NG from Bayo and shallow shit like Nier Automata I don't really think of Sekiro as a full on action game. I don't know what to call it but its just so mechanically and technically limited. But I guess you could still call it one.
>I-It's just Op's bias that is skewing a poll with a really big sample!
Sekiro's defensive mechanic design is complete ass. Because so many reactive options exist, and there is often little to no indication of which option is correct, and the punishment for not guessing with a 1/7 chance at best is a savefile that has content locked.
DMC's (dante's) defensive options are a good example of enjoyable but challenging design that rewards the player for getting it right, and centres defensive play around 2 options, with varied optimum timings for each attack. It doesn't throw near-one-shots at you for guessing wrong, and almost every death where you got hit was a situation that you could've gotten out of with solid mechanical play, without prior knowledge.
This is an autistic rant, but From has been huffing their own farts since DS2, and creating more and more uninspiring gameplay that centres around fight memorization rather than actual skill.
And, if anyone thinks enemies are sandbags, try playing DMC5 at SoS difficulty and beyond, they get superarmor.
>centres defensive play around 2 options
actually, thinking about it, there are 5+ options that universally cover what they should, logically.
>being mad over tetris winning
His reply is proof we have been invaded by underage niggers.
Sekiro: soul
DMC 5: soulless
Which game is better? Skyrim or Mario 65?
strawpoll.me
Some enemies don't try even on dmd, and some are not very fun to fight on dmd like the behemoth.
Both better games than FFXV and KH3 by country miles.