JRPG

You don't have actual evidence that you exist

>le spaghetti monster xD
*tip*

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you don't need proof to understand that a merciful god doesn't exist because of things like child sex trafficking, being born with deformities that kill you, parasites in general, genocide, etc

it could be possible there is some kind of higher power but it's definitely not god or jesus or anything that picks and chooses who to "bless" and who to let starve and get picked apart by vultures in their backyard

the theory of the big bang proposes nothing about why it happened nor where all that matter, energy and spacetime came from, simply that it was at one point all in the same place

literal subhuman IQ argument already disproven by albert einstein hundreds of years ago, try again

>his god is enough of a bitch to die to swords
Lmaoing irl at christcucks.

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not an argument

If God is real, why would he choose jews of all people?

Why are there so many Christcucks on my board?

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care to explain how the big bang randomly happening makes less sense than magic daddy randomly poofing into existence and then deciding to create everything?

>scientific evidence for God

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Yeah, nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of God
That's why we call it faith
If you have it you are a believer, if not you are Agnostic or Atheist

It was a spear, the absolute fucking king of the ancient battlefield. Get your facts right fag

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unsure retard. there is no god and you do not exist outside of the physical components that make you what you are. get tipped on, nigger

being agnostic is fun :)

>the amount of scientific, psychological, and spiritual evidence for God is so staggering
why don't you share some of them with us?

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>theists keep moving the goalposts of 'God' back so he stays perpetually out of reach of all methods of observation

c-checkmate atheists

B8 thread, watch how easy the (you)s roll in.

>spiritual evidence

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>brainlet
God is real
>average IQ
God isn’t real
>120+ IQ
It’s impossible to know if god is real or not
>ascended
God is real

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>einstein
>hundreds of years ago
by all means, enlighten me, I gotta hear this

>play through the big recommended WRPGs
>you kill God in the end of most of them too
Funny enough the one series where you consistently don't, Might and Magic, has simpler gameplay than most JRPGs I've played.

What does this have to do with video games?

this is your proof god does not exist

99% of atheists here have never read philosophy in their life and their understanding of science comes from internet articles

>too much of a pussy to make choices in life
Although to be honest it really isn't something worth thinking about.

Atheists are the most easy religion to troll, you guys fall for bait harder than muslims at this point.

god told me to tell you hes real

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the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

the proof of the existence of God is that something exists rather than nothing
anything capable of causing there to be something rather than nothing is, by definition, God
we can't prove anything about the nature nor motives of God, though. God even being capable of having motives is baseless speculation

Nobody gives a fuck about your literal children's toys. You stupid manbitch.

Name 1(ONE) jrpg where you actually fight the God that created and controls the game's universe with swords that is not smt 2 or Apocalypse and not just some overpowered being that likes to call themselves a god.

I also have no evidence that a giant black dildo with wings didn't fuck your mother's asshole last night. Does that mean it happened?
brainlet

>1916 was 200 years ago

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I'm black

Free will

Based

maths is science

Only smart post on this thread, religion is not about proving things, it's about faith. If you need evidence to believe in God you're agnostic

Good exists.
>Source: dude trust me

They can't move him forever. Eventually you get him to a point where he's untouchable, but also unusable in any form of objective, rational thinking, so effectively useless.

Based

Yikes, sorry pseud but the arguments of aqunias which are nearly 1000 years old still hold up! I see like the enlightened atheist you are, you’ve never read a book.

Based.

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That's true of 99% of all people here.

Fwiw: reading some scholastic who believed in God doesn't mean you have a grasp on philosophy.

Burden of proof is on you. Meanwhile modern science and archaeology punch huge holes into most, if not all religious books, with verifiable counterevidence.

Xenoblade Chronicles?

What equation gives us God?

Why are you on Yea Forums then?

People used to think the Sun was a god on a giant flaming chariot too.

free will does not exist, it's just your brain reaction to chemicals to make you survive as long as possible, even if it did how would it prove anything?

>You can't falsify an unfalsifiable.
No shit.

Yea Forums isn't real

That’s makinf assumptions. I’ve also read shit like nietzsche too and the other pseuds

>argue about a concept which is unimaginable.
gee i wonder why

>with verifiable counterevidence.

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>your board

That such evil creatures as humans roam freely this world is enough evidence God doesn't exist.

? I'm saying just because you don't have evidence that something does exist, doesn't mean you have evidence that something doesn't exist

It's just too bad that the burden of proof isn't on atheists, huh.

I'll pm it to you. What's your work email?

Nietzsche was a fucking retard. Read Aristotle or Rand.

I can't prove God isn't real and I never would have known about him if he was never brought up. I don't know why I should be forced to pick a side. I'm not sitting on a fence, the fence was thrust up my ass without me asking for it.

I miss boondocks

Because with the big bang you have to argue where did the big bang came from, because everything has an origin. While magic daddy is magic.

but did dinos have feathers

That would make time deterministic which actually goes against modern science. Funny how atheists worship science yet only seem to grasp it on the most pop pseud level

>Religious people
>Dude God came before nothing lol
>Athiests
>Dude the universe came out of nothing lol

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God here
ask me anything

based

To laugh at stupid manbitches like you that try and discuss children toys. Lol fucking pathetic incel

I would like to believe in God and afterlife, but it just makes me feel delusional

If you have literally 0 evidence that something exist that isn't circumstantial as fuck, it's much more likely it doesn't exist.

The only acceptable godfags are deists. All mainstream religion fags are subhuman

I hope you're not memeing about that speculative YHWH being a big dick war god trite.

Best post

nice try, post it here or btfo

this.

please tell me how the ontological capstone of a 2500 year old physics that was supplanted 500 years ago so hard that it's not even taught in schools anymore still holds up. go ahead, i'm waiting.

Literally me

>taking atheism too seriously
as someone raised religious, i consider myself agnostic but also don't care enough to identify as anything. Maybe there's something out there, maybe there isn't, i'm going to live my life by my own means and treat people as best i can and maybe some day ill find something stronger to believe in and if not that's ok, extreme atheists are just as bad as an extreme religiousfag

>"lol i don't believe in god because of SCIENCE"
then explain why the most famous scientists in history like Newton and Einstein believed in God.
>"b-b-but!"
abluhbluh shut the fuck up

how's it going

Digital Devil Saga 2
you don't kill it though, your party realizes they're just fighting an abstraction created by their own preconceptions, and all existence is and always was one with God and to get the outcome they want they just have to awaken to their true nature and rewrite reality

If dumb people are the only people who believe in god, why is einstein on record saying “I am not an atheist”
It’s
>religious people
God has existed forever
>science
Quantum foam

Damn this is easy. Look at the (you)s rolling in. Why do both theist and atheist retards take such easy bait?

>Me and intellectual
>The world has existed as long as I was born

Einstein also promoted socialism.

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This. Agnosticism is pure honesty.
If you can't proof something, you state theories not facts.

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Whoa, nice VIDEO GAMES we got here
I sure love me some VIDEO GAMES
Yep, nothing but VIDEO GAMES all around
Boy, nothing sure beats time spent with VIDEO GAMES

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because it's a fun argument and you can't really lose it

user are you okay?

Pretty bored
might flood the world again as a joke

>ontological
Oh nonono little pseud fucked up his Wikipedia searching. His model is based more on aristotles concept of “motion”. And the god question is pretty much regarded as subjective in actual philosophy circles, it’s refuted and counter refuted as infinium

I believe a god exists but prophets don't, and there isn't a single human who can properly describe it without sounding like a massive tool.

If you really wanna fuck over yourself, watch this
twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1107351633766289410
Without a brain, it was able to accurately represent the different Tokyo boroughs. It makes you wonder what consciousness is. Soul?

When has any true god, ever been a boss?
Isn't it typically just a super powerful mortal, with a god complex?

>incel
>as he comes to Yea Forums
top zozzle

it is. it just turns out its a god that exhibits no sign of consciousness, its chariot is made of nuclear fission, and it will one day die
doesn't make it any less of a god

Malevolent God makes the most sense. God is just a douche.

I saw a rainbow just yesterday, don't think we forgot faggot

This is implying god has the same conception of evil as us. Also maybe god is intentionally not destroying it? Doesn’t work as an argument

Its called having a free will you cuck

>mfw Christian and playing both sides
I wish it was April Fool's again. I could have had spooky by now.

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Fuck off you blight, for once in my life i am actually learning something

There's noway to prove or disprove something based around faith. It shouldn't matter what the other person believes in, just worry about your own faith

>tfw no other gnostics there

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I'm an atheist and believed in Sam Harris' brand of determinism like you do. Then I listened to people smarter than him, and I now believe in free will. Here's a quick rundown.

youtu.be/W0wM0nJ4UBI

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But what is evil? Are you sure that you can define evil without defining good?

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Dracula was killed with a knife. The Supernatural isn't as scary as you think. If it bleeds, you can kill it.

Video games?

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The Abrahamic God isn't even that old. Mankind worshipped all kinds of gods before anybody ever heard the name YHVH. Not to mention all the other still existing non-Abrahamic religions being practiced like Hinduism. There have been literally millions of deities worshipped by humanity. How can you so sure that all of those gods definitely didn't exist, but your god totally, absolutely exists, for real you guys, seriously?

>comparing your pitiful mortal values to a god's

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Gnostic lifestyle is based, the theology is full retard though unless you count the demiurge as a metaphor for materialism

Dumb people like me love Yea Forums

how do i look today bros?

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Fine, then let us talk about why anyone would believe in a god. Is it from an experience that is exclusive to themselves? Or is it blind faith?

>going to Yea Forums
>learning something

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>make man in your own image
>uhhhh lets give him different morals though lol

unfalsifiable hypothesis

ty come again later

>metaphysics isn't ontology

i-it's just motion! it's not fundamental to his entire metaphysics at all!

fuck off back to bible school, chumpo

>men are better than women at being women

>spiritual evidence

ok retard

of course there's an afterlife, dummy. your body is broken down and reconstituted into other bodies. after you die you exist as pieces of millions of organisms at once, just as your current existence is one made of pieces of millions of organisms at once
you may be tempted to ask 'but what about my me-ness?' but self is an illusion

Ietsism master race. There's probably something larger than us out there, but I'm also not such a cuck that I subscribe to a book written by illiterate desert jews thousands of years ago.

Well, the religious texts have definitions of good and evil, and those are supposed to be words of God. Unfortunately they were all written by Men with agendas and biases.

cunny is evidence that god exists

Big bang randomly happening gives reason to continue searching for the reason why it happened, hopefully leading to an eventual answer which might even be "God did it lol"
Putting "God did it lol" as the immediate answer gives no opennings for further research

DQ7 gets closest to the judeo christian concept. Even the idea of parts of himself being all of himself, but also existing simultaneously.

mmm bideo games

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You cannot prove that I'm not God. Checkmate, theishit.

>definition of God is some multi-turbo drifting goalpost that can change its defintions to fit any dumb narrative you want it to.

The concept of God is retarded.

There is no Devil, there's just God when He's drunk.

"Omnipotent" is always such a misunderstood word, can God commit sin? No he cant, therefore he cant do "anything", people think omnipotence means being able to do literally everything but you dont have to read much in order to realize that there are things God cant do and there are things God chooses to not do. Even that movie with Jim Carrey where he becomes God outright shows the fact that God cant interfere with men's free will.

>Why yes, I dont believe in God. How did you know?

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If God exists then maybe he should being a piece of shit and ruin the lives of its own creations. Maybe then we'll start worshiping him more often.

why call a spade a spade and not a chuzzwugger?
we still call atoms atoms even though atomos means 'unsplittable', despite being able to split the atom

I'll pretend to be either one cause it makes people angry

Cute and dare I say it... funny.

Their theology makes much more sense than any other religion in the world. Same with neoplatonists’ philosophy

Holy shit, theists are so retarded.

Fedorians are even easier to provoke than /pol/acks.

mmm bideo game cunny

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>The concept of God is retarded.

Let me break it down for you.

"You do what Sky-daddy wants (translation: what I want) or bad thing happen to you!"

>God isn't real
Explain this then atheists
youtu.be/3B3mY83JI3g

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There are two types of niggers

>Eyup, we believe in Gawd. How'd ya know?

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>can God commit sin? No
>God flooded the world and murdered everyone
>murder isn't a sin
>god said murder is a sin

And we're at a crossroad my friend

yeah god of everything ever here ask me anything my creations

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This.

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The probability of the existence of god is just as likely as the absence of it. Regardless of whether you're theistic or atheistic, its presence doesn't have sway over your choices in life unless you let them.

I mean, that's the most badass thing Christ did
He volunteered to die for us

Well if you're going to just name random things god to fit your goalpost-moving argument that's no fun.

i'd say consciousness is the middle of a venn diagram of all our senses, including memory, imagination, and self-awareness.
to take away any one circle of the venn diagram makes you less conscious, but not yet unconscious like a stone

yep, I'm thinkin' it's bideo gaymes

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Yea Forums isn’t about video games, retard.

Its funny because then we have people saying that evolution exsists but that takes as much of a faith as believing in God, theres nothing scientific about it. In the Scientific method for something to be scientific it has to be observed no one obsereved the “big bang” it takes faith to believe in the load of shit

I couldn't care less about being alive, I just want my conciousness and memories. You can't have those as dirt underground

yeah but the other side is dumb because lol

All behavior has a cause.

Hi Nassim

can we make this a gore thread? i'm tired of animated children

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>saying that evolution exsists but that takes as much of a faith as believing in God

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why did you give me a small penis

it seems like video games to me

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Agnostics are intellectual cowards; rather than answering the question of whether or not you BELIEVE in God, you say that you do not KNOW.
The question is binary. If you cannot positively affirm a belief in God, then you are necessarily an atheist, regardless of your agnosticism.

Is there a bigger cuck than a theist?

Think about it, you spend all this time looking for a life partner, raising a family, and taking care of your kin. But at the end of the day, none of that shit belongs to you. They all belong to God, and you're just a poor shmuck shepherding his lambs for him.

If that isn't the definition of cuckholdery then I don't know what is.

You're as bad as they are for resorting to such low-IQ stereotyping. Literal NPC post.

>I'm smart because I posted historical guy, What is free will?
That's the biblical reason, he gave us the power to do good and evil things to let is be gree
Here's your (You)

> but that takes as much of a faith as believing in God, theres nothing scientific about it
Maybe if you ignore the mountains of evidence and smash your head against a brick wall a few times, sure.

>our wonderful creator who has the best intentions and can make literally anything happen is amazing!
>what do you mean he’s ignoring all the famine, plague, death, and other atrocities? It’s uh, it’s in his will!
>prove he exists? Uhhhhhhhhh just have faith! Have 100% blind faith otherwise you’ll be damned to hell forever and us cool guys who blindly believe in some magic sky wizard who cares so little for us that he does nothing to help or correct us get to go to heaven!
>why does he care about us believing in him if he does nothing to help us or interact with us in any way? Uhhh HERETIC HERETIC SEND HIM TO THE DUNGEON!
look tons of people in modern day lead a better lifestyle thanks to religion but believing in some sky wizard is fucking retarded.

the pantheon that the god that became known as YHVH came from existed in antediluvian times before the end of the ice age. what is tentatively labeled 'the proto-indo-iranian religion' but way as well be called the Atlantean Faith

>Epicurus btfo because Jim Carrey said Good couldn't mind control people

this is more (you) post than OP

>having faith in something there is evidence for is the same as having faith in metaphysical drivel there is absolutely no evidence for
ahaha

>you say that you do not KNOW.
Woah, blindly believing in one or the other is so kool

t. triggered theist dumbass

It's okay, I know you're a victim of cultural brainwashing you inbred son of a bitch.

>hmm I created mankind but they're all going to hell
>maybe I should just let them go to heaven
>but wouldn't that violate free will? oh wait, I'm God lol, I'll just make it so that they can go to heaven but keep their free will because I'm God and don't give a fuck about impossibilities or logic
>oh wait I have an even better idea, I'll go down to earth as my own son and let them murder me in order to save a tiny fraction of them
thank you God, very cool!

>ignores this

Mmm vidya

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You are very stupid.

And theists are liars. You're positively affirming a belief in something there is no basis of which to reach such a conclusion. You're asserting a falsehood because it is emotionally gratifying. That is the height of subjectivist arrogance. Reality is what you want it to be, not what it is.

>cultural brainwashing
But this isn't /pol/

There is a scientific evidence for evolution, including math, biology, chemistry, geology and other scientific disciplines

its things like this which made me worried fedoratards actually think this is how it works or not. No wonder they got ran out by everyone for being retards.

Those are retarded
The Ancient Testament shouldn't be taken literally
Science and Religion can cohesist

I didn't ignore it. I didn't see it. Either way, two wrongs don't make a right.

Though you could say your subjective reality is the only one you have.
If you have no doubts something is real, it is in a way

It's a simple fucking algorithm that optimizes the distance to deliver resources, you fucking retard. It has nothing to do with consciousness. It seems that you are without a fucking brain.

Tasty vidya

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This but unironically

>"Do you believe that chairs are sentient beings that mask their presence from us so that it's impossible to detect their intelligence?"
>"No, why would I believe that? There's no reason to."
>"WOW, YOU JUST BLINDLY BELIEVE THAT CHAIRS ARE NOT SENTIENT? YOU MUST THINK YOU'RE SO COOL"
epic

where did it all go so wrong godbros?

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Not to get all euphoric on y'all, but the idea that "you can't prove me wrong, so THERE!!!" Is the most childishly stupid thing ever.

As an athiest (a real one, not some internet tryhard) I find that god is a matter of experience. And I simply haven't experienced god.
Belief just means you want desperately for him to be real, so you force it. Expetrience is like praying at a church, and feeling his presence. Not "he's there because I believe he is"

In my experience, it my be that he's not there, or that I'm too "evil" or maybe I just don't need him. Whatever. But for me, there is no god in my life.
If it's different for you, cool. But kindly keep it to yourself.

>Rather than answering unanswerable questions
based retard

We justify our evil nature with such nonsense, God doesn't exist, we are the bad guys, deal with it.

I'm an atheist, you fucking imbecile. This was another post of mine. You're just proving how much of a low-brow tribalist NPC you are.

Atheists literally believe they're related to potatoes, with no scientific proof.

Atheist logic:

- The universe came into existence from nothing
- Life came from non-life
- A single-celled organism evolved into all life through random genetic mutation, despite no proof of this being possible

Even an asshole heathen like you can just say sorry and probably get in to heaven.

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Video games?

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The idea is to either be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist. The question of belief is answered, the agnostic part comes into play by understanding that there is no way for their belief to become a total certainty due to a lack of real information beyond just "belief". Which is the sensible school of thought, since you can neither prove nor disprove God in an objective sense at the moment regardless of what you "believe" in. That doesn't mean you don't "believe" in anything. You absolute retard.

Positively broiling

there is also no proof he does exist either
jesus doesnt count he is beyond fake

Why do I need to worship God? He's given me no reason to other than a vague threat of eternal damnation in a Jew book written and changed by dozens of people.
>Book is constantly censored and mistranslated on top of being written by a multitude of people
>This is the word of god btw follow it or suffer
>Also parts of the Bible don't count anymore because it makes Christians and good look bad

how do you know though.

Gaymers

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Actually, atheist logic is:

>I don't know the answer to any of those. Ergo, I'm not going to assert either way and take the passive position, which IS negative until viable evidence is provided.

Friendly reminder, that philosophy is the highest form of reasoning and instead of blindly believing in existence/non-existence of the God, you should ask yourself who you are and why you are

>still being le ebin edgy atheist in 20 fucking 19

Lmfao just move on dude, some people believe in a higher power some dont just live with it. This is 2006 Yea Forums tier shit

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printing press.

No, its Ridya

This, but it makes sense that people don't realize this, what with this being the same place where people think Hitler was a good guy

well, it's true

one's own consciousness is the only proof of anything truly existing

>Theists have no actual evidence that this world is a computer generation simulation and God is a DJ
The absolute state of HOMOS

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Clever

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Hey it's ya boy God. No I can't prove that I'm God, just accept it or my priest will burn you at a stake tonight.

Explain qualia and consciousness then

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>definition of God is some multi-turbo drifting goalpost that can change its defintions
thats what makes God ineffable. we can't effing figure it out for sure in our current condition. maybe someday far in the future, but we have to make sure the species survives that long.
the truth is that its not that murder angers God, its that every careless murder slightly increases the risk of our species going extinct before we can kick down God's door and demand "what the fuck are you playing at?" so to speak
and if it turns out there's nothing behind that door at least we'll figure out how something arises from nothing, and can hopefully use that knowledge to create a new universe to emigrate to once this one starts to become uninhabitable as it crawls towards its death

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Pretty much the only right answer in this thread

Because he created the universe, and everything in it.

He designed the laws of physics and all life, including humans.

Yes God is a brutal guy that makes things like HIV and Ebola, life isn't meant to be nice, deal with it.

God even said he regretted making humans, that they were a mistake. You should be thankful for even being alive, the difference between you and a germ is nothing compared to the difference between God and you.

>athiests
>passive

The probability of the existence of my dick in your butt is just as likely as the absence of it. Fucking retards. Is this the result of an american education?

This is more of a controversial topic, since Chatholisism, Protestants, anglican and Ortodoxs believe a different thing
Basically someone belives that you can be saved if you act well even if you don't believe in God, others belives that the free will makes you decide if you have faith or not
Even then, God loves you even when you act like a douchebag

Dagger's ass is canonically soft. I want her to sit on me.

Solipsism is for babies.

>lmao dude just ignore it, it's not like it will affect you, let people do what they want
>btw don't mind that people are moving for the removal of the separation of church and state
>please ignore that decisions are being made based on faith in God
>the middle east? yeah just ignore that
>it has no affect on you, just live your life

>no actual evidence that this world is a computer generation simulation
About that...
youtube.com/watch?v=t_RwcGzGurc

thats taking God's name in vain, which is a sin

no elon musk told me it might be. and he is big important science man

T-that's not video games

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Eastern philosophies, actually. Read a book.

That's agnostic.

Atheists believe all those things despite there being no proof.

They believe there is no God.

I mean, you can't even prove other minds exist, so are you agnostic on that front too?

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion December 1g_snd.pdf
nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheist

nature.com/articles/28478

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

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Atheism is not the belief that there is no god, it is the lack of a belief in a god.

if 9 god exists

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how do I convince callous people that they should care about other people?

youtube.com/watch?v=Zgk8UdV7GQ0
skip to 2:30
Have you yourself actually examined hundreds of fossils or are you just taking scientists words as fact?

>""""""""innovation.""""""""

Explain how neural networks can draw paintings and compose music and you don't, fucking brainlet.

If something exists you can beat it with swords nigga

Very good taste

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For a lack of belief, there sure is a lot of zeal among atheists.

>But it’s factually proven the world was created by a big bang
Try again user, there's practically no evidence for the Big Bang besides expansion which has numerous other theories with evidence as well. Big Bang is just a meme.

user I like Rush as much as the rest of us but one good song doesn't prove that God exists

yeah we might as well have another war so science can flourish even more.

>God knew the laws of the universe, yet told lies to different humans across the planet for the lulz so countless religionis would be created
EBIN :DDDD

>The burden of proof lies on the one who makes no claim
>I'm so intelligent!
Holy shit, some atheists' understanding of basic logic is so utterly asinine they make Jehova's Witnesses look like Bertrand Russel by comparison

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have you ever talked to god or are you taking a revised books word for it?

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>unironically linking that scene
holy shit my dude

Read the basic math textbook first, degenerate.

I don't like god because he says I can't fap to girls fucking dogs

that shit's hot

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Holy shit, conservacucks irrefutably BTFO

speak foryourself, I find its great fun.
I'm god, you're god, that tree is god, nostalgia is god, the stars are god, the dirt is god,
all things are one with god
even the abstract concept of there being no god is god

Doesn't really seem accurate to how they go about it

Btw anglicans are the best
This dude wanted a male heir to the crown, but every time he only got females
Then he asspulled some law mumbo jumbo to separate him from the Chatholisism and make a religion where he can do a divorce

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"I cannot allow this conclusion to this discussion.
That would mean disputing existence (or not) is outside of scientific area, and I need to maintain the image of science disproving god's existence."

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Based and redpilled. What more needs to be said?

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I believe you like I believe in the lord

This, but with little girls.

Those are shitty atheists then and I do not associate with them

Gonna need to zoom in on that wolf user.
Look at his face.

>claiming God exists isn't a claim

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But did dinosaurs have feathers or not?

_____ _____

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>Have you yourself actually examined hundreds of fossils

Wouldn't matter if they did.

Lining up fossils of similar looking animals does not prove that one evolved into the other.

There is no scientific proof whatsoever that macro-evolution (large changes through genetic mutation, like a fish turning into a bird) is possible, no matter how much time is given.

It's not verifiable, it's not reproducible, it's not observable, and there's no proof or evidence of it.

Evolution is not science.

Are you actually claiming the burden of proof is not on the claimer? And they're the philosophical retards?

youtube.com/watch?v=R66r_XMoDkk

also for

Debunk Rowe's Evidential Argument from Evil right now

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>whosoever assaults, kills, steals or rapes is a criminal
>except if it's country-slash-government doing it

los estados goblinos are jewish

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vidya

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>Evolution is not science.

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you can't actually prove free will exists either due to the limitless number of factors that would effect it

Whatever, faggot. Believe what you want. Or, rather, believe whatever your puppet masters program into you. You make atheists look bad and absolutely HAND the theists the debate by looking so fucking intellectually lazy.

isn't there a difference between believing in a higher power and organized religion?

atheists don't understand pascal's wager.

>Christianity
>final boss is God
>Jews defeat him with nails and a cross

This is why Christianity is shit

What the fuck does "acting well" even mean?

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did you not read my post and realize that it was clearly a joke

v-vidya...

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reductionism isnt very scientific either user

Pascal's wager is fundamentally flawed because Pascal assumes metaphysical ignorance, and then makes his bet based on the assumption that he knows how the entry to heaven works.

If god really is real then you're a fucking retard for thinking he'd let you get away with shallow lip service. Enjoy going to doublehell.

Deflecting from the question eh. Typical christcuck.

>final form appears from death and scatters all Jews into a Game Over

Shh, dont let them know that.

The one thing that irritates me about other Atheists, is they dont understand the concept of "neither A nor B"
If its not A, they automatically claim that B is the only correct answer.

There is proof any specific god doesnt exit, but not that any number of infinite nonspecific ones don't exist.
When an answer is an unknown/neutral, you go about your day as if you never heard about it. It also doesnt mean other possibilities dont exist.
We dont worry about other possibilities, because there's an infinite number of ideas people can have.

Being treated the same way as "not existing" isnt the same as actually not existing.

Rationally, I know I don't actually know if there isnt an intelligent designer. But I'm not going to believe it w/o evidence, and I'm inclined to think there isn't, due to a lack of any hint of such an existence. But I still admit I don't actually know that to be the case.

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no everything is in one group and you cant tell me otherwise

Pascal's Wager doesn't account for the fact that there could be a deity that isn't the Christian God

>God then comes back in final form and "converts" the jews
gg no re

Are you implying that one side has more credibility than the other?

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Why inequality-adjusted specifically and what does the adjustment entail?

also
>USSR

LMAO FPBP

every atheist i have met is a bitter virgin and usually fat or ugly

Evil is a human construct that doesn't exist anywhere but in our minds.

Redpilled

Wish I could unseeded that...

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>Anime poster doesn't understand the burden of proof
Not that I expected any better.

I only quoted you

Jesus explained in pretty simple terms how to spend the rest of your life enjoying heaven-on-earth. we literally have a walkthrough on how to fix all this shit. if we as a species choose to keep creating famine, plague, death and atrocities thats our right as bearers of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil

>>God then comes back in final form and "converts" the jews

When did that happen?

>no argument
Classic atheist

there are religions that exist, that forbid believing in other religions.
you'd be fucked if you went with a "believe everything" mentality.

>Deflecting from the question eh. insert group+cuc k

Your premise is incompatible with theism. Try again

*unsneeded

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Just admit you want to believe

Why do christcucks get so mad that people don't believe in their sky fairy, what a cult. Fortunately you guys are dying out. Unfortunately you're being replaced with Islam.

>calling neet a pseud
so this is the power of nu/lit/

>joke is that the guy denying science is stupid and only wins because everyone else is even more stupid
I guess that's appropriate for this website

>that he knows how the entry to heaven works.
Just be a good person

You can get free stuff for believing in something

>bad ending where they’re doomed to be hated and killed by every other race, religion and political party for the rest of their existence

>nietzsche
>psueds

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Pascal's Wager falls apart because belief is not binary
If the true deity is Oongu McBongo, worshiped by tribes deep in the jungle, then both atheists and Christians are fucked

Deists I can at least understand. But if you follow organized religion and believe their supernatural claims, you are genuinely GENUINELY retarded and beyond help.

>due to a lack of any hint of such an existence

Albert Einstein believed in intelligent design after spending his entire life studying what has been created.

You can't even understand existence without time.

Yet a force that exists outside of time, and all physical laws, caused the universe, time, and all physical laws to come into existence.

There is also no answer for the origin of life.

You can know God exists by what has been created, so you have no excuse.

/r/atheism works like that
Actual atheism is a bit more complex

the existence of maths at all gives you God my negro

No it isn't.

why do Yea Forumsirgins namefag?

What is a man?

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Seething tripCuK

>atheist argument
>either calling someone a retard (even though fucking einstein wasn’t even an atheist)
>refuting their own inentionally silly concept of god and refusing to acknowledge anything else
Have I got this right?

Sure but none of the evidence points towards the abrahamic God or even a god that stuck around. None of it points to a specific one at all.

Imagine basing your life around ancient sand people fairy tales and larping their rituals every week.

What part of OP's post claimed that God exists?
>Are you actually claiming the burden of proof is not on the claimer?
No, the one I was responding to was. Can you even read english?

how do you know that god isn't offended by you being an obsequious sycophant

I like how the romans did the siege of Jerusalem 35 years or so after crucifixion.

How are you certain that's the entry requirement? What is a "good person" in the eyes of the deity barring entry? Is that deity your deity? Whose is it? What if that deity actually only accepts "evil people," and you have in fact placed your bet incorrectly?

Holy pseud

>you are genuinely GENUINELY retarded and beyond help.
That sounds like Yea Forums

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Name one game. And no, you don't kill the real God in Xenoblade and SMT.

fuck off retarded theist sky fairy fiction book.

you don;t need to worship God, but there;s tangible psychology benefits to holding reverence for God's creation
and the twelve faiths of the tribes of Abraham aren't the only paths to God, despite what certain humans want you to think.
you can just as easily reach God through other religions, or through no religion. even the scientific method can lead you to God

Science is the process of proving or disproving something. Since the concept of "god" is based on belief and isn't something you can prove or disprove, religion and science really have nothing to do with eachother. Don't go, "that's not what science is" by bringing up scientific theories because it's not like there aren't groups of people dedicating their lives and government funds to prove them as natural law. Just get off your high horse and let sleeping dogs lie and remember that forcing your religion or lack of religion on others is wrong.

Please tell me which of those "I don't believe in a god because I do not see any proof" is

a miserable pile of secrets

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Fencesitting retards.

>God existing is a given
oh no no no

>trip
kys newfag

Yes it is. The traditional definition of God as omnibenevolent necessitates moral realism

thats not a very scientific thought process though is it.

I don't like religion because it means that you're doing nice things out of fear or obligation instead of out of altruism

Right. The conversation always ends with, well there's most likely a god so the one I picked is obviously the real one. Even this thread is filled with that. Atheists are faggots and essentially have their own organized religion but both sides make insane logical jumps.

Plato's cave isn't solipsism its just recognizing that we have no choice but to take it on faith that what we experience has even the slightest resemblance to the reality beyond what our senses seem to be telling us

hasn't happened yet

Sure but why should we dismiss what appears before us? What else could we possibly do? To assume it as being fake violate's Occam's Razor

>Reddit refugee doesn't know what a tropcode is
Typical christcuck intelligence.

>what is background cosmic radiation

You sure, cos I know plenty of jews.

Seems like your Jesus is not so powerful, or just wasn't a God.

Refute Rowe's Evidential Argument from Evil right now

Okay then, show me the scientific evidence for a deity's existence

Moral realism does not necessitate the existence of evil. Morality isn't always good vs evil.

Claiming someone isnt correct, is also a claim.

No matter which side you are on, nor which side presented the argument 1st.

The "reason" the 1st presenter has a "burden" is that they are trying to convince the other. They cant convince them w/o evidence.

The person refusing to believe is making a claim. But they cant convince the original, nor others, w/o evidence as well. Depending on who you are trying to convince (and which person you are) both shoudl technically attempt to provide evidence, or counters (such as debunking the claims accuracy)

"outside of time" you dont understand what "time" is.
Do you think there's such a thing as "before time" as well?

The argument "You can tell what is created" is a self defeating statement, show me an example of something that wasnt created, so i can compare the two.
if you cant present something that came about w/o creation, then you have no idea what a non created object/thing looks like.

Seethe

What if God made us too dumb to understand the concept of his omnipotence so that we don’t hunt him down JRPG style

He’s been refuted a million times at this point. Read some actual philosophy kid

>samefag seething this hard
big ooferoioni

Atheists literally think they're related to potatoes.

The believe this without proof, I'm not making this up.

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Cope

>Atheists are faggots and essentially have their own organized religion
Brainlet detected. Look up what religion means. Hint, the only thing that links two atheists is disbelief in God.

Human beings aren't capable of compassion or altruism without God. Why do you think most atheists statistically end up murdering 1.5-3 people during their lives?

Wow, I will believe this claim without proof

>nihilism makes me clever mommy!
lmao
it’s literally a self defeating statement

God exists outside of the scientific method. There is no experiment possible by mortal means that can distinguish between "lack of god" and "god chooses not to answer". It is not a scientific question; It's like asking which brand of ketchup is objectively best out of three identical ones.

Obviously, reality can contradict the statements made in pretty much any holy book, so that is something which can be disproven. If there is a god, it is most likely not the one described at your local place of worship.

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>Why, yes, I do come to Yea Forums for the outrage, how could you tell?

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Christians literally think they're made out of dust.
They believe this without proof, I'm not making this up.

Believing the right god isn't the problem since virtually every god commends good behavior. It's human nature to see good as being good. It's also incorrect to assume something as petty as not believing in a certain god is worthy of punishment regardless of how much of a good person you are.

It's a fair thought. The story of the Tower of Babel essentially depicts a god who's afraid of his creation rising up

>grr I hate sand niggers
>Praise be to my sandnigger god, amen

I didn't say the romans killed all jews you idiot. It's more like jews got their comeuppance in that era.

Yep, it really looks like you can't read basic english

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Theists are so fucking stupid. You know atheists are underrepresented in prison right.

If believing in god is so spiritually healing, why don't doctors prescribe you to worship god more?

Theists think they're the result of centuries of inbreeding. They believe this because of Adam and Eve. I'm not making this up.

>you literally eat god
>twice
Dds was pure kino

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>which brand of ketchup is objectively best out of three identical ones
The cheapest brand is the best.
>hurr durr dey all cost same!!!1
Not in today's capitalist economy.

>uses the religious concept of evil to refute religion
OH NOOOO

potatoes have eyes
i have eyes
this is open and shut, christard

According to every theory of moral realism ever proposed, there's evil on this world. So, either moral realism is false and theism is necessarily false (because omnibenevolence is meaningless) or moral realism is true and evil exists. Pick one

These are real people

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You might be a fucking psychopath
normal people do good things because they like seeing other people be happy

Christian's literally think women are made from the ribs of men.

They believe this without proof, I'm not making this up.

Yes and they treat disbelief like a belief. They wrap their identity around it. Not to mention it's just fucking absurd to claim you know there isn't a god. Any atheist who's out of highschool is a fucking moron. It's one thing to believe we can't know if we have a creator or not but the outright arrogant assumption that we don't makes as much sense as outright believing we do.

>It's more like jews got their comeuppance in that era.

(You)
>God then comes back in final form and "converts" the jews

You're contradicting yourself

Are you aware that thinking religion is such a loose thing as you describe would see you dead only a few centuries back? Are you aware that most of those religions still hold that kind of rigid belief to be true, but don't practice it?

Where did this lackadaisical god come from who is just letting everyone into heaven? Who goes to hell then?

>Theists are so fucking stupid
Not an argument.

>meaningless graphs with completely subjective axioms from internet articles prove my point
Einstein wasnt an atheist lmao guess he’s dumb

actually it can be helpful scientifically actually since your souls is just protein and other shit. Its good to keep a healthy mind

Yeah tell me about all those atheist suicide bombers

Peak retard
See

GGGGOOOOODDDDDDSSSSSS
i mean
MMMOOOOODDDDDSSSSSSSs
no, wait, i mean
JANNNNNYYYY
CLEAN THIS UP

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If you need the fear of damnation to be kind then that says more about you than humanity buddy

You clearly didn't read all his work

>good things
>happiness
Both of those come directly from God. The Bible outright fucking says so. Without God, there is no good. Without Him, there is no happiness. Atheists are without God, and therefore incapable of good or happiness.

>meanwhile in science land
DUDE WE ARE ALL MADE OF DEAD STARS

thats not the traditional definition of God, its only 1,300 years old or so
the idea of God is 200,000 years old

ok sure...fine

but then were is the REAL LIFE evidence BESIDES THE BIBLE that says he is here?

why don't OTHER religions account for fucking RESURRECTION and a PERFECT GARDEN OF HAPPINESS? funny thing that all the other nations were around, word would have spread outside of EU fucks nations that a man was also GOD. why doesn't asian nations remember this?

That's a bad faith argument, you can't prove a negative.

Theist proof that God exists:
Muh emotions
Muh intelligent designer
Muh old book
Muh miracles

its like 2008 Yea Forums

Did you just try to use the bible as a source for your argument

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze

>I don't even know what I'm asserting, or what other people are saying
>IT'S YOU THAT'S ILLITERATE
haha, fuckin' christcucks man

>they treat it like a belief
By definition atheists aren't religious. How you think they act is of no concern and irrelevant. No one cares if you thinks atheists are annoying.

How can you say god created man in his own image when the existence of niggers proves otherwise?

There is an entire book about it, you know, if you want the Tldr version Jesus gave us "love the others like yourself"

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>it's meaningless because I don't like it!
Maximum cope
Einstein didn't believe in a personal God btw

Yeah, but Harry Potter outright states "yer a wizard 'arry", so that proves god doesn't exist.

>What part of OP's post claimed that God exists?
Why would you imply that atheists need to prove that God doesn't exist if you aren't attempting to share the belief that God does exist?

You can prove a negative (see: maths) but it's far more difficult than proving a positive.

>everyone is dumb for having beliefs
>but not me, I'm a genius for thinking nothing at all!
haha

I'm unreligious, but I think religions are really interesting and beneficial for many people.
They can be harmful too, of course

Satan is the god of this world thus he is to blame for all the wrong doings that has happened.
Everyone points their finger at God the Father like he's to blame for all this even tho he's separated himself from this sinful world.
showing some transgender monster doesn't mean that God doesn't it actually means that Satan exists.

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Why do both sides of this debate attract so many unintelligent people?

The sad part of this thread is that you can regurgitate arguments from either side and falseflag for (you)s without effort

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>Has to go back a century to ignore the elephant in the room
Uh oh.

He isnt trying to prove the opposite with that statement. (He might think it though)

His point does stand, just from the fact we "should" be admitting you cant prove a negative. And that should be accepted as neither side is proven.
Not that one or the other is confirmed.
(One is obviously the correct answer, but which is the correct answer isnt confirmed.)

>says this after centuries of society's rules which where built upon the fear and damnation
You'd be hacking your neighbour into pieces for fucking your wife if it wasn't for socitial years norms and teaching.

Then what was I doing when I lent my friend money to buy lunch

This kind of circular assurance always baffles me. Does he realize how fucking retarded it is to prove his beliefs by sourcing something that's only valid if his beliefs are proven?

inb4 "negroes aren't men"

>thats not the traditional definition of God
Yes it is. "God", with capital G, has a very precise meaning in the western tradition.

Science literally says we originate from space dust too, you dumb fucking ape

>party
>of
>facts
>&
>logic

Agnostic is just a type of atheist but people remove it from the category so they don't step on toes.

Which heavily edited version of the Bible are you using for your reference? Can you read Hebrew or are you trusting the word of (((translators)))?

I think you're mistaking al lot those for atheist arguments

Not the same user. You even had to affix the (you) yourself to one.

>Claiming someone isnt correct, is also a claim.
Thank God there's still someone left who actually understands how logic works.

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Of course no one cares. No one cares about your replies either or the person below us. We're on an imageboard, are you fucking stupid?

Those are legitimate reasons to have faith in God
The keyword isfaith

Noah has a son called Ham.

Ham fucked his mom (Noah's wife), so God cursed him by making him black.

Ham had a few sons, notably Mizraim, and Canaan.

After the 2348 BC flood, Canaan founded the ancient civilization of Canaan, a real historical ancient civilization.

Mizraim founded Egypt. Today Egypt is still called "Misr" or "Masr" in Arabic.

He had some other son that went to Africa too, I forget which.

Something people should realize is that the vast majority of the world is actually stupid, without question
Then said stupid people latch onto some belief, whatever it is, and then go berserk if they perceive their belief as being challenged in some fashion

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>what does faith mean

So has Plato you idiot. That doesn't make them pseudo intellectuals, no matter how much you cry about it.

DELETE THIS

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do christians not realize that the bible is metaphorical

because somewhere down the line we made the mistake of splitting the role of witchdoctor into separate roles of priest and doctor, overspecialization breeds ignorance and too many doctors today can't tell the difference between a bout of ennui and a neurological disorder

Weird that god's power has vanished when all this technology and recording tools exist to capture evidence nowadays.

>Ctrl F Mormon not found
Explain yourselves.
Also why are prots almost just as brain dead as atheists? Atheists are a given double digit iq retards. Prots in America have no real organized structure, they're the ancaps of religion in the analogy sence, and their money goes to buying their pastures a rolls roce in the literal sence. Agnosticism is no better its just reddit centrism of religion that is too retarded to come to a coherent conclusion.

I mistakenly quoted myself. But the quote itself is from the other user's post

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>he expects me to take his serious God matter opinions in a video game board seriously
Kek

Only Abrahamics place such important emphasis on their "correct" god. Most pagans literally don't give a shit what you worship since most deities are similar in concept.

>Where did this lackadaisical god
Most non-Abrahamic deities.

>tfw atheists still haven't brought better game than can be rebutted by a medieval theologian
Get some new material. It's not like making good arguments against theism isn't possible.

I can't imagine not being skeptical of everything that you're told

>christcucks backed into the corner of "faith is good by its own merit"
okay, what merit does faith have? why is believing something with no proof good on its own? can you make objective decisions based on this faith?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

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Burden of proof. Also, don't use Kirby for your autistic shitposting.

why would intelligent people argue about religion on Yea Forums? they have better things to do

EVERYTHING Though

Thanks Yea Forums, I have a newfound drive to create OC
Next time I'll get half the (you)s in these threads

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You believe the universe came from nothing and that you're related to potatoes with no skepticism, because apparently it's "science".

Fun fact
Jehovah's witnesses just added vocals to JHWH to be able to pronounce it

Kek no one's given a good argument about why I should believe in a god. Come on christcucks this your soapbox time, do some door-to-door conversion.

>why would intelligent people argue about religion
fixed

The reason God doesn’t step in and solve all our problems is because we have ourselves free will and thus have to deal with our actions, their consequences, and the consequences of the actions of others. If Eve hadn’t been a lemon stealing whore we would have lived an idyllic life tending to our animal bros in a world where there was literally nothing to worry about

>why would intelligent people come to Yea Forums
Fixed

if its younger than 5,000 years old its not a tradition its just hipsters trying to be trendy

No one has still given me a good argument why agnostics are so bad

not like anyone in here is going to change their views over some anime posters arguments

>You believe the universe came from nothing and that you're related to potatoes with no skepticism
Can you point to where I said that? You don't know what I fucking believe, mongoloid.

I believe in moral objectivism which is making a comeback
Cope

Every extremely religious nation is a shithole. Religion is something you let people have, but you pat their heads and send them on their way when they want to discuss ideas with adults. Never let religion influence politics.

The truth is that humans and more generally all life on earth have evolved to perceive only a limited representation of the universe. The true nature of reality and the universe as a whole is literally imperceptible to us which accounts for the seemingly unaccountable problem of self-creation. There’s some fundamental aspect of reality we literally cannot perceive, the same way we literally cannot perceive or even interact with dark matter. Hell, the remote you use to watch TV relies on infrared light, a component of the light spectrum completely imperceptible to humans. It exists, it’s real, and more importantly it explains the seemingly impossibile feat of interacting with a television set from a distance which would be otherwise inexplicable without knowledge of its existance.

>Never let religion influence politics.
But Yea Forums told me that conservatives are based and redpilled

Right, so now you've got to describe this heaven made up by a bunch of nondescript deities that only have the rule "be a good person," and you still haven't defined a "good person." After all, what is a perfect eternity after death? Is it the same for everyone? What are you winning by making the wager? How do you know this?

I thought everybody knew that

He's just shy bro have some faith even though god has revealed himself many times in the bible

Damning christ to hell would have been a much greater sacrifice than letting some Jews in the desert tickle him for a week or two before calling him back home

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But why? Are we just an experiment to God? How many has he created? Did he leave us for a better project? None of the things you said HAVE to be if God is omnipotent. Either he's restricted by some set of rules or he's fucking around.

you mean every country in the world.

Fuck theocracies.

Let me give you a tip for future posts: Never fucking say something like "you believe X" when replying to an anonymous poster.

They're also legitimate reasons to have faith in Thor, Odin, and Freya, or any other deity. They're not legitimate sources of proof that God or any other deity exists.

I don't see the logic in pledging allegiance to an entity who asks everything of you but doesn't show you enough respect to show you clear as day evidence that he exists. I understand that reason doesn't factor here but that makes it all the more silly. The idea that blind faith has more value and virtue to it than the need for reason or evidence is a common belief that makes as much sense to me as using drugs or cheap hedonistic pleasure to solve your problems. It's an easy out that doesn't require you to think.

>That would make time deterministic
what does that even means? how would that make time deterministic? do you even know what you're talking about?
>Funny how atheists worship science yet only seem to grasp it on the most pop pseud level
do you know how your computer works? do you know how cars works? do you know how your brain works? it doesn't matter how, unless you want to study it the only thing that matters is that they work, even scientists don't know everything there is to know about science, they only study the fields they're interested in

nice

>god preventing evil
>implying he has any obligation to prevent it
life is a test if you pass to the afterlife, evil is a part of the test

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>you can't prove a negative.
What a cute way of saying: "I have no fucking clue how basic logic works" and: "I never read a single math or science book in my life".

you looking to get bapped you little shit?

christfags used to be violently mocked and ridiculed on this board. what the FUCK happened?

Anything that can be imagined, conceptualized, or dreamed of exists on some level. The worlds in our minds have just as much validity as the real world. If God didn’t exist, he does now. We created him to create us.

So why did God put a magic talking snake in a tree to convince people to do something wrong while those people still had no concept of wrong or consequences?

Why was he so willing to step in and punish evildoers in the past, but not now?