Is this the worst written character in Sekirobornes?
>no interaction with player
>no lore information about him
>no significance to the plot
Why did Miyazaki even bother? What's the point of mentioning a character's name a couple of times and then never giving us any details about him? Aldia from DaS2 was done way better.
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Real talk a Buddha boss fight would be kino.
Doubt they'd do it though since the game portrays him as a pure force for good.
>Buddha boss fight
>You have to argue with him on his philosophy
>He wins and you have to sit under a tree for 7 weeks
If I convert to Buddhism do I have to give up tenders and alcohol?
Depends on the kind of Buddhism.
you have to give up any substance that alters your perceptions, even coffee
If you actually know a bit about Japanese history, Buddhism and Shintoism, then you'll see that Sekiro is pure fucking kino, and by far the best Miyazaki has ever written.
Senpou and Fountainhead are so fucking good.
I find it weird they didn't translate Mt. Kongou though.
Why would Buddha be an active character in Sekiro?
You're just showing your own ignorance towards Buddhism by moaning about this. Educate yourself.
>no interaction with player
the Buddha banner literally talks to you at the beginning of senpou mt kongo telling you to turn back
I thought that was the rice loli.
That was the Divine Child of Rejuvenation, though.
The only thing Buddha does in this game is save you from losing half of your sen upon death... 30% of the time (or less).
kek
It's the rice loli talking to you through the poster, dum dum.
>no lore information about him
You don't have to do or not do anything in Buddhism. It's just a 4 step program for solving frustrated clinging.
Saying that, the 5th precept is to avoid fermented drinks that cause heedlessness (alcohol) because being in a drunken haze can interfere with enlightenment, but that is just an optional training rule and there are even sects that encourage drinking.
lmao I'm dumb, love rice loli though
How come Unseen Aid gets decreased by NPCs getting dragonrot but it doesn't increase if you find new NPCs or find NPCs to cure?
That's such bullshit!
forgot image
I wish they expanded some more on the concept of Unseen Aid. As it is now, it feels very removed from the game's "lore" and ends up being nothing but a game-y mechanic.
>no killing
got that covered
>no stealing
well, not in the past decade at least
>no sexual misconduct
easy, when there is no sexual conduct at all
>no falsehood
I guess
>no intoxicants
welp, there it goes down the drain.
Play Cosmology of Kyoto to find out.
Are you autistic? It’s fucking Buddha
>yfw you found out what sword the Dragon used
Jerking off to traps and lolis is sexual misconduct too user
Why do people think Buddha is some kind of god? He's literally just a guy who's found enlightenment, died, and never to come back.
As far as I know, most of the time he's just treated as another human being, not a god. That's what makes Buddha such a bro.
yea it was used to kill a spirit medium
That happens with plenty of stuff. Skill tree requires you to get skills you don't want for some you want. Prayer beads and memories end up being pointless since enemy damage and health keep scaling as the game goes on. The dying mechanic is at its worst since you find idols every five minutes which just kills the pacing of areas and breaks immersion, unlike the perfectly good shortcut system they already had. Prostetics are moderately useful but the crafting is all over the place.
I feel like the game got hindered by being a Souls derivate. If it could do without those pseudo-RPG elements, focus more on specific separate missions and a more straightforward upgrade system it would've been so much better. Also having a difficulty setting so you can just access harder modes without having to finish the game multiple times.
>Sekirobornes
No.
Just call the entire genre Fromshit and be done with it.
Honestly they should have done away with the skill tree and just have you find abilities in the world itself, would make exploration more satisfying.
>Prayer beads and memories end up being pointless since enemy damage and health keep scaling as the game goes on
You should watch a "no upgrade" run, that shit does matter and it gets super tedious when you don't have them. Can also reduce the difficulty of certain bosses like Lady Butterfly and Genichiro (if you put them off).
>focus more on specific separate missions
Could not disagree more, Sekiro going back to the interconnected world design of the first Dark Souls is wonderful. If anything they didn't go far enough.
But Dark Souls is over, so isn't it natural to replace the dead franchise with the new one? Soulsbornes -> Sekirobornes.
>You should watch a "no upgrade" run, that shit does matter and it gets super tedious when you don't have them
That's the thing though. You could simply choose a higher difficulty instead having to take your time with getting the beads, demon bell and so on or not.
>Sekiro going back to the interconnected world design of the first Dark Souls is wonderful
Sekiro is nowhere near as interconnected as DS1 was. Just compare how many times you looped back to Firelink to the temple being a start of the road.
Sekiro just has none of that sense of adventure and travelling DS1 had.
It's a lot more complicated than that. The whole "Buddhism is just a philosophy thing" is a purely Western idea
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>Implying there will be a Sekiro 2 or Bloodborne 2
Satan will kick your ass if you go for this just to have a fun. Becouse it's purpose to get out from matrix.
Does Buddhism have some kind of sexual do's and don't list? You're obviously trolling but I'm genuinely curious.
I would assume for the most devout sects it would be no sexual conduct at all as it can cloud your judgement like the alcohol stuff. I assume the more lenient ones would be fine with whatever as long as you aren't directly hurting anyone.
Monks and nuns are supposed to be celibate
>as long as you aren't directly hurting anyone
That's where you're wrong kid.
You can have sex and masturbate but, not if you're in service as a monk. Celibacy isn't required for followers, only when you're actively acting as a monk. They have a term for it but, I can't recall right now.
>this old man would just like to see Buddha in his rightful place again
wtf does he mean, what am I supposed to do
it's a real thing, google dharma combat.
the last greatest teacher trunga rinpoche, was a raging alcoholic and womanizer who died of liver failure.
I dunno user I'm not a Buddhist, but it's common sense. Masturbation is indulgence and clouds your mind, masturbating to degenerate shit is automatically even worse because it means giving in to the most primal urges and also means you're un-disciplined cuck who gives in to hollow pleasure.
>aren't directly hurting anyone
You're hurting yourself because you can't achieve an elevated state of mind when you're trapped in a cycle of jacking off, wanting to stop doing it, then doing it again tomorrow.
From what I understand of it, Buddhism isn't a religion with some dogma you can't diverge from, it's just a struggle to walk the path of the Buddha
Hopefully an actual Buddhist can clarify
>4 step program
oh boy, how to unpack that, and the 6th step is realizing there was never a program to begin with and this is just the start of your journey.
>Tibetan Buddhism is all Buddhism
Are you retarded? You do know that From didn't come up with Buddha right? Why are Soulstards so retarded?
>inb4 merely pretending
That's what I figured. Cut and dry as opposed to this masturbation elitism proposed by the other anons.
You cut in half buddhist immortal las plagas monks, dude.
His portrait was on the wall.
You think the Zen gurus where any better? My grand teacher Sasaki got busted for diddling students as well, it's a Japanese thing.
He kicked satan's ass and his demons. Also Buddha thanked all elements attacks like fire water, wind and earth. Buddha can 1vs1 with god.
Nah, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just arguing about what you were saying.
So where would I go to learn about some more fucked up practices of Buddhism?
Saw an user in another thread talk about how Sengoku era monasteries were notoriously corrupt and took in orphans to explain where the Centipede Giraffes may have come from.
Wondering if there's a direction I could be pointed in. Always heard about the peace and love stuff of Buddhism but I'm curious about the medieval, grimy and barbaric stuff too.
I'm playing it and I absolutely adore how Sekiro's mission is framed as a spiritual lesser evil and that he realises that he will have to atone for so much killing, much like the Sculptor has.
Just read anything by actual Buddhists.
They still do that in Tibet. Supposedly a lot of sexually repressed monks like little boys giving them blowjobs. The Dalai Lama is a fucking facade. The region is backwards as hell; they rely on subsistence farming for food.
You're only forbidden from masturbation if you're a monk. The Buddha wasn't big on telling others what to do, just guiding them on how to escape enslavement to themselves. There are even texts where he outrightly says that people should challenge his guidance and not view him as perfect, because that leads to him becoming God and belief in God makes one lazy. God will sort everything out, rather than you.
You can drink and masturbate and still be a buddhist. You might not qualify for the monastic life but, that's okay. You don't have to be a monk, you just have to try your hardest to follow the Noble Eightfold Path and adhere to the Four Noble Truths as best as you can. If you slip up on the way, that's fine. You can always try again.
>He kicked satan's ass and his demons.
Same as Jesus huh.
They are like real life One punch man.
Buddhist here, since whole 47 member family is in it. You don´t need to do anything other than be nice to others, and the occasional social gathering doing nothing special other than eat good food.
miyazaki didnt write the story for sekiro
Did Satan kicked your ass already?
The temple got no evil statue, just fat buddhas and the female goddess or whatever that helps buddha. I guess we light incense too which honestly makes me dizzy.
Go do some research on the big three sects of Buddhism, its not all Zen and meditation. One sect has huge fuckin orgies where you drink blood, cum, and piss, get really high and try to understand the universe
If you practice to getting out of this realm with profit. Satan will go after you, because people are cattle in this realm for demons.
Tantra not even once.
I don´t think normal family gives two fuck about that. Just don´t hurt others and you will be fine.
I would have taken that more seriously if the font wasn't trying so hard to be edgy, but I will take the base advice into consideration.
Yeah, I guess a lot of religions have that kind of shit going on under the surface. Makes it even easier when it's mountainside isolated communities. We only get the happy public image.
Hmm, still curious where to look. I guess some of the stuff I've been interested in previously has been the self mummification practiced by some monks or more extreme forms of Asceticism. Something about the image of the Emaciated Siddharta just lights up my curiosity.
Modern day the only really binding guidelines is if you're a monk you should be celibate, in theory to attain enlightenment you should be celibate but honestly most people just want to be reincarnated into a better life.
I should caveat that Japanese monks can fuck and outright marry but that's more for historical reasons.
I can't tell you about modern day but for a long time at least in Japan the belief was you couldn't achieve enlightenment as a woman, you had to reincarnate as a man and only then would you qualify.
>sengoku era
monastaries in Japan always dabbled way too much in secular stuff since Buddhism came to Japan, part of the reason the Capital moved from Nara to Kyoto was the ruling elite were worried by how politically powerful the Nara Buddhist Clergy were becoming.
Lots of Monks from the 800s to the Tokugawa era acted like petty mercenaries, Mt. Hiei, of fame for the fact they got wiped out by Nobunaga, is a great example. They'd been using armed monks both to settles disputes and force demands, they raided Kyoto for instance in the 1100s to get the government to agree to their wishes.
The big monasteries in Korea were also corrupt and politically involved in the Goryeo period. I recall they owned slaves as well (though this is in keeping with Korean practice, where slavery was a thing until the 18th century or so)
Tendies count as killing, user.
There's also that one time he teamed up with Jesus and Mohamed to take on the 7 sins.
Go meditate under tree for 7 weeks.
It’s absolutely based and is straight to my second favourite from game, I still prefer Dark Souls 1, bus Sekiro is a very close second.
Buddha and Jesus, Doomguy, Master Chief only guys who can do that. Maybe John Wick too, can do that. To kick Satan's ass and his demons. And 1vs1 with god.
Actual Buddhist here. Is Buddhism a big part of the game? If so, I'll have to play it.
Interesting, thanks for the insight!
That gives me a pretty broad stroke of some of the ideas I was curious about. Definitely given me a lot of places and ideas to look into.
From a western perspective it's harder to see Buddhism having that major political and militaristic influence but it makes sense.
Going to look up some stuff on Mt. Hiei that looks like a good starting point. Thanks again!
You kill a lot of heretical buddhist monks who searching for immortality in form of parasite centipedes in this game.
They also get the chanting quite accurate I guess.
>tfw reality is a cosmic dharma combat but with embedded poker mechanics.
This but also in more of the sense of overarching themes throughout the game. As someone not as informed on Buddhism I can't comment on much but the game does cover the idea of cycles repeating a lot and reincarnation.
>you couldn't achieve enlightenment as a woman
Why then they want to become nuns?
>the belief was you couldn't achieve enlightenment as a woman, you had to reincarnate as a man and only then would you qualify.
That's legitimately true, though.
>Why then they want to become nuns?
You become a nun to live an exemplary life. Exemplary life means quicker re-incarnation as well as re-incarnation into a higher state of being.
It's to prevent re-incarnating as a woman, basically.
Buddha wouldn't allow it till his sister-in-law (or cousin, can't remember) showed up with 1500 women and said let us in.
Afterwards he remarked that the age of Buddhism has been cut in half.
I'm afraid you'll have to dive into academic sources to find anything really of note on those matters. A lot of that stuff I've learned about scattered as asides in a variety of books on say the general history of the Heian period.
If you became a nun you'd be able to devote yourself to getting good karma and attaining enlightenment, though in their case this would presumably have them reincarnate as a well off man able to devote themselves.
Though there's also Pure Land Buddhism where if you were good you'd reincarnate into the Pure Land and could spend all your time focusing on attaining enlightenment there, I don't think there was a gender restriction on entering the Pure Land.
Read between the lines. If you become a virtuous nun, you'd have a better chance of reincarnating upward to become a man, and thus come one step closer to Nirvana. Honestly, it doesn't make much sense from a theological standpoint, especially as even Christianity has plenty of female saints/holy figures despite being generally sexist.
I would assume it's so they can reincarnate as a man in the next life and be able to attain it.
Be pretty easy to abuse somebody using the concept of reincarnation.
Damn faster respawns. So unfair.
You could view the path to an enlightenment as a massive multiplayer game. Everyone gets unlimited respawns, but only a few are smart enough to truly 'win' and quit playing.
>Christianity
>sexist
The only human to be born after original sin was Mary.
Does enlightenment tick some sort of box that says "Do not revive"?
Fair point, but I always thought Eve got a raw deal for being blamed for all the sins of humanity, when Adam made his own choice to eat the Fruit.
I also forgot the ages system
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In Heian Japan people believed they were already in the last age when basically Buddhism was going to go into decline and enlightenment was going to be extremely difficult, which kinda colored their literature with a pessimistic attitude (if you ever read the Tale of Genji they talk about it multiple times).
Does it touch upon the mythology? Meaning timelines, cycles of the universe, layers of hell, "angels", demons, etc.
>People still accrediting the writing to Miyazaki
The poor schmuck who actually wrote this game is probably seething in anger.
It'll makes sense now in Bible Black.
>Bhuddism thread on Yea Forums of all places
Nice
No, it's more like a player realising that the game and its objectives are ultimately trivial and illusionary, and it should be left behind for a higher objective like actually engaging in 'true reality'. An analogous concept would be Plato's Cave, where a few cavemen realise they're just staring at shadows on a rock wall and decide to go outside for a change.
Why was Sekiro smiling after he killed Emma?
>Apocalyptic Buddhism
That's the good shit right there user.
>"Do not revive"
As a cattle for Satan and his demons.
Yeah.
Hinduism and Buddhism are based around the notion of several planes of existence.
You've got humans, you've got animals, you've got insects, and you also have asura (think oni or genies, supernatural beings superiror to humans, but still mythical beings and not gods) and finally Buddha.
Every time you die, you get judged on your life. Depending on how good/bad you were, you have to serve a sentence in hell to atone for all of your sins and afterwards get sent to either the same or higher state of being.
Shitty humans stay humans forever, good humans get to become gods in every sense of the word.
And once you're a god, you're freed from the cycle as Buddha can't die.
Maitreya and millenarian/messianic Buddhism were a thing too, it was huge in China where you'll notice it was a component of many big rebellions in Chinese history
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Forgot to mention Isaac Clarke.
Sometimes the sins you did in one of your past lives comes and bite you in the ass in the current or future ones too. This also applies to the good deeds and rewards.
But according to the laws of probability, every single person on Earth will eventually accomplish enlightenment in this system after an infinite number of reincarnations inevitably resulting in success, the same way an infinite number of monkeys banging on keyboards for an infinite amount of time will inevitably produce every single work of literature.
So you basically get admin console commands if you're a good boy. Sounds pretty sweet.
Getting back to Sekiro, I assume the Asura you're talking about is similar to the term Shura used in game. Would explain things. That in that particular reincarnation you were an asshole and thus became asura for that cycle.
That's karma for you. It's interesting that every single human religion has an analogue for this metaphysical concept, probably to enforce good behaviour in human society; being a jerk will get you punished in this lifetime or the next.
>following Buddhism or any kind of religion
>not interpreting God and the world as you see fit and creating your own religion
Shit, the chaos magicians of /x/ found the thread.
You're forgetting the other realms of existence here.
Humans don't disappear because good animals get to become humans. Animals get replaced by insects, etc.
Though I'm unclear on the details as to whether the stream of lower beings has an end or not. I'm not a theologian, just someone who reads up on the stuff animu presents every now and then. Which also means I'm talking about the Zen Buddhism. YMMV.
Enjoy being cattle for Satan and his demons. Because you need to became super strong and super smart for not became one.
Asura aren't necessarily 'evil'; as a matter of fact, the term used to encompass any spiritual being, good or malevolent, which meant gods like Indra were also referred to as 'asura'. It was only in later Vedic and Buddhist theology that they became evil, sensual forces in conflict with the Deva, kind of like the struggle of the Id against the Superego
>good animals get to become humans.
Animals can't be good or bad, they works on different laws than humans. Also humans can copy animals but they are still humans, and human laws applies to them.
But if you subscribe to the concept of hierarchy of reincarnation, then some animals are indeed more 'uplifted' and spiritually aware than others, and more likely to advance to humanity.
Miyazaki didn't write sekiro, he was only the director. This is noticeable because the story is actually coherent.
>then some animals are indeed more 'uplifted'
That humans in animal body that can remember their previous life I guess.
What I'd like to know is what significance carving Buddha has. Was the Sculptor trying to atone, or... What? Something must've gone horribly wrong either way.
He actually decided to keep his hands off the story because he felt his style would feel too formulaic to fans who have played the previous games. What an absolutely based dude.
More like FromKino
basically a self-outcast prince that realized no matter if you are rich or poor you will have to suffer one way or another. So there is no need to increase that suffering by conflticing with everything.
his teaching these days can be boiled down to "you want to live to not just the standard of your society - as society can change - but to the standard of good human being in history". This can be your grandpa, your dad but preferably Buddha
The Buddha carvings are meant as a diagnostic marker of his mental state. He explicitly states that the more he descends into anger, the more savage the Buddhas become, and it's implied that the key difference between him and the 'real Sculptor', who we never meet, is his inner demons preventing him from making a 'perfect Buddha'.
I wish the protagonist was japanese catholic,It would explain why he became an war orphan since alot of kirishitans were killed by the japanese government
>Shitty humans stay humans forever, good humans get to become gods in every sense of the word.
That's unfair, who have right to decide who is good and who is bad. If good and bad always changing.
are you literally retarded? It's a Deity IRL, what fucking lore do you want? Go read eastern mythology/religion if you want the lore.
Okay, I just wanted to know if Asura and Shura are a similar vein.
I didn't need to bring the concept of evil into it. My understanding is just colored by the fact that you've got to be a pretty big asshole to get the Shura ending and people have been generally referring to it as the "Bad Ending". Though I personally disagree I am "evil" for having made the choice.
It wasn't the actual murder weapon, she was killed with her own cane-sword
Who knows what you'll be in your next life. I know I don't.
>Who knows what you'll be in your next life. I know I don't.
That's only me to decide, not some Gods or devil or Satan. Free will.
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>no fire monk boss
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Reincarnation is the only supernatural/metaphysical theory that I think might actually be true. It explains why there is suffering and also provides a logical reason to try to be a good person.
>Sekirobornes
It is objectively pretty damn evil as you succumb to your lust for power and betray your master, friends, and father, with the last one being especially ironic because you trigger that ending by swearing loyalty to Owl. It's a clear-cut message that the desire for immortality, and thus immortality by extension, will corrupt even the noblest human beings, and can only be countered by duty, kindness and enlightenment.
Good and Bad always changing, for someone's good means deadly bad for others or for all.
>both world wars created so much bad karma the following generations were reborn into complete assholes
oh shit
The main implication of 'reincarnation' as a theory is every living being is effectively part of a greater whole, or an 'over-soul', since everyone must necessarily be reincarnated into everybody else.
That's always the case but qualities like levelheadedness and humility are almost always worth cultivating. Difficult situations will always exist but as humans all we can do is face them appropriately with whatever knowledge we possess.
what was the point of this?
thats Buddha teaching, you need to hold yourself to higher standard. Dont succumb to bad choices because of the people around you, or because of the country society you are in, or the time you are living in.
ofc unless you are the most dedicated of follower that you need to hold urself to Buddha standard. If you're just a casual believer than live to the standard that make you comfortable with
I think the author of The Martian did a short story about this. It is one of the most impactful things i've ever read.
Serial killer kills a human, human was a future parent of Hitler or Stalin. Maniac saved millions of people. Woah!
I was hoping for a response from the user who was actually applying Buddhist concepts rather than just making things up based on their own interpretations. I could have done that myself.
I want to know if there's any significance to the word "Shura" in Buddhism. Not "I personally think you are evil because this is the narrative I made up for why Sekiro does the things he does."
No it doesn't, and there isn't a shred of evidence to support it.
>Be Monkey themed shinobi
>lose partner and best friend to a giant ape.
>grow increasingly angry and bitter over war and things shaped like war
>eventually nearly go insane due to all the killing
>lose arm thanks to another friend helping you not do that
>sculpt Buddha to see how much rage you feel on the daily
>take in armless faggot, give him that hand me down you own.
>forced to fix up best friend's old whistle+ring
>war comes to your doorstep
>everything goes hot...
Fuck...
Nah bro just praise the Amitābha Buddha, chant his name enough and he'll let you into his house after death where you can achieve enlightenment in peace. It's super popular with the Samurai oh and you can still fuck and kill people
There's absolutely no way the killer could have ever known that the child would turn into a mass murderer. Humans are not omniscient.
Buddha teaching, about to be free from cattle realm.
You missed the part after losing an arm where he still goes on Shinobi missions. It explains what the purpose behind the Prosthetic tools are and is backed up by the lore in their tree.
Part of the reason he keeps carving Buddha statues is to atone for continuing to kill people even after losing his arm.
Refraining from Sexual misconduct (for laypeople, not monks/nuns) means not doing sexual things that can cause problems for self and others. It's complicated because in USA culture for instance, people think you can do anything you want as long as it's consensual and it's all good, no matter the consequence. If somebody gets mad because they are cheated on it's their problem hah hah. But for a Buddhist you're still causing suffering and you should know better.
Of course there is no evidence for it. But its a very simple starting point and provides a good foundation for morality.
Hitler's vagabond grandfather doesn't return to his hometown to legally recognize his son, a young Adolf Shickelgruber fails at a political career and fades from history.
Little things can change a lot, it doesn't need to involve murder.
He doesn't know, but there are possibilities. Why do you think kids of politicians die young?
Not really.
probably not, but holding yourself to higher standard is always a good start
How about this though, isn't it functionally the similar to how our conscious only exists in the present moment, iterating on previous instances? Every jump in time we're "reincarnating" as a new instance of present conscious, left to deal with the consequences of the previous concious's actions.
Wolf eats a deer, If wolves die out deers will eat all the grass and trees, land became a desert.
What other framework works as well user? I'm genuinely curious.
Been trying to get into Yamantaka practice but sadly the only resources I've found into self initiation are a bit intense to say the least, I know this is Yea Forums and my question is more suited for /x/ or some shit but a bit of help here would be appreciated.
>no woman in Vatican
based christians
that doesn't say it has to be a human corpse
what is a wooden bed but the corpse of a tree?
If you are became a Buddha, you free from Satan and his demons. And can kick their asses if they are try to domesticate you.
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Japanese Buddhists and samurai fucked little boys and teens because they interpreted celibacy as only not fucking women. This has been your daily reminder.
I don't know. I just think it's silly to think that harm and negativity in general has a root cause.
As far as being a good person goes it usually makes life easier than being an asshole, but it's a case by case basis.
A practice of Buddhism in Japan said that people who had killed others would atone by isolating themselves and carving Buddhas. This was to help them come to peace with their actions. Compared to the smiling Buddha against the wall his were wrathful, since he continued to carry so much guilt over killing so many people.
That's gay. Why need to do this if nuns exist.
I'm not making things up. The authors of the game explicitly paint seeking immortality as an awful choice by depicting the physical/spiritual corruption it causes. The monks of the Senpou Temple betray the teachings of Buddha by chasing the temptation of eternal life instead of seeking to end the cycle of suffering through enlightenment, and end up infested with bugs like centipedes as a result. Centipedes themselves are a traditional Japanese symbol of 'impurity' and evil. And as stated before, Shura are for all intents and purposes Asura as they are manifestations of one's basest impulses and lusts, corrupting the mind into pure selfishness.
Rules lawyering the religion isn't exactly going to help that user reach enlightenment, now is it?
It's heavily implied it should be a human corpse, also "meditate in a cemetery at midnight lmao bro just do it" just a couple paragraphs down.
I mean, when in rome
I mean it's even supported Biologically. The cells of your body are constantly dying and being replaced. Given enough years your physical body has been completely replaced.
It's the metaphor of a ship that slowly has each of its parts replaced until none of the original pieces remain. Is it still the same boat?
The only person capable of deciding how you "return" is the person seeking redemption. Buddhists openly claim that every thing in the universe and the universe itself is the Buddha.
This is free will. Only judge is yourself.
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It was in protest of Buddhist persecution in South Vietnam.
Killing for a greater good could be arguably labelled as a good deed. You just made me realise I have no idea how Buddhists handle conflict when necessary. Hindus had a warrior class whose duty was warfare and legitimate warfare supposedly brought them closer to enlightenment. Never looked into how Buddhists view it though.
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And as everything could be seen as an extension of yourself, karmic punishment could also be seen as self-punishment. What comes around, goes around.
Demon of Hatred shoots flaming monks.
>no lore information about him
I'm glad he did, Buddhist's Mythology part is kind of messy to understand.
t. just read about the supernatural things in Buddhist.
>And as stated before, Shura are for all intents and purposes Asura as they are manifestations of one's basest impulses and lusts, corrupting the mind into pure selfishness.
That's what I was wondering.
I get that the game paints immortality as an awful choice. I just wasn't sure where in the Shura ending it explicitly states that is Sekiro's motivation for betraying everyone. Thinking back though the final line talking about how Sekiro killed everyone in the region and the people referred to him as a demon living there for a long time definitely suggests he used Kuro for his own immortality.
They handle it with pacifism. The idea is that what someone does to me is what I wanted. Its a tough notion to wrap your head around, but if I consider you as a reflection of me, than I'm really just harming myself.
Taoism touches this too. The perfect Taoist sage would not seek to defend himself in any circumstance since he views what is happening to him as his own doing.
Depends. While canonical Buddhist scriptures explicitly forbid violence, there are definitely some Buddhist sects that have a more liberal view of violence such as several hardline organisations in Myanmar, though those tend to be shunned. Older examples include the Ikko-shu sect which inspired the Ikko-ikki rebellions, and the pro-war generation of Japanese Buddhists in Imperial Japan.
>what someone does to me is what I wanted
Meaning i get what i deserved because i did nothing to prevent it?
>You just made me realise I have no idea how Buddhists handle conflict when necessary.
I've heard them make jokes about it. There's as story of a woman who converted to buddhism and someone tried to steal her purse. Because she didn't want to harm him, she allowed it to happen and was just left with her umbrella. When she told her teacher this, he responded; "You should have, with great love and compassion, struck him with your umbrella".
I don't think they're as pacifist as they're made out to be. The goal of Buddhism is enlightenment which takes many cycles around the wheel to complete, so your goal is to acquire as little bad karma as is possible. Earning a little here or there isn't going to fuck you over in the long run so long as you don't go around doing it repeatedly.
What if a monastery finds its nearby village being raided and has the means to defend it?
Yes that is one way to look at it and it is a correct answer. Those who have reached their satori might not care too much and just let it happen. The main point is if you understand it, then you're free to respond how you wish, but any action you take (karma) is something you would, once again, expect in return.
If they follow the Dharma of Harm Reduction then they might defend the village, preferably without killing anyone, nurse the wounded back to health and, if possible, find out the reasons behind their attack and fix the core issue to prevent further harm.
Fucking lmao. I suppose the takeaway is to just do what you can while still having the bigger picture in mind. You're not expected to achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime after all.
Basically, yeah. Only the Buddha achieved that, hence why he's the Buddha. And he's such a bro that upon attaining it, he turned back in order to teach everyone else because it wouldn't be worth it otherwise.
I guess that makes sense. No point pondering too hard over extreme "what if" cases.
kys queer
Sekiro is not soulsborne
I honestly don't know. If they didn't they defend it, they could expect the same thing to happen to them, if they do they would still expect it. Keep in mind not every monastery practiced martial arts.
The zen monks that Bodhidharma founded, the Shaolin, practiced martial arts, because when he came to china he thought that the idea one could completely discipline his mind without disciplining his body was ridiculous.
>want to escape the cycle of reincarnation
>desire is the cause of reincarnation
>can't desire for nirvana
Was Buddha just an epic troll?
>Thread on video games
>Trolling and shitposting
>Thread on Buddhism
>Calm and coherent discussion
It always amuses me how boards are able to discuss anything else better than their designated subject.
You are like the Christian who only celebrates Easter and Christmas but never goes to church or reads the Bible.
Every time. It's quite charming desu.
I think that's like the final boss of buddhism.
I thought that was sitting under a tree and getting a personal visit from Mara
Did you forget about the endless storage he gives you?
Would Sekiro be improved if Phos was there?
I wonder why no other religion developed as much emphasis on physical discipline.
Not intentionally. The harder you chase it the harder it is to catch.
There's a zen story about how a man chopping trees with an axe is taunted by a rabbit. He took a few swings and missed and after getting tired he gave up. The rabbit continued to taunt him from a distance and just as he went back to hitting the tree, the axe broke from the handle, flew into the woods, and hit the rabbit.
It was only a matter of time until the hnkposter would show up.
But does it really matter if said Christian honours God at home and follows His commandments otherwise?
Ah, shit you're right. That always threw me for a loop too, since the prosthetic is a perfect fit on Wolf, but seems way too short for the sculptor.
Do as you want, just know that the Buddhist journey is involves understanding that your desire for alcohol or tendies is only creating more suffering inside yourself.
Nothing is improved if Phos is there.
>he didn't give the forbidden fruit to Naga after the flood
No wonder you thought that was the true ending.
Maybe because religion is typically intended to control the masses and exhausting physical activities are not a good selling point?
Just make the fight a big misunderstanding in which Buddha was holding back the entire time
>mfw I am enlightened now
thx user
I really enjoyed the comfy One Piece thread we had yesterday.
If you view Buddhism as a religion yes. At its core though its a philosophy. Its just a way to look at the world. It became popular as a religion, because the people who saw it work wanted to get in on that inner peace. The monastery masters could very well just leave their job and be content, but then nobody would be there to teach the students.
Maybe that's why he gave it away. He couldn't keep using it as his body became more corrupt, and it was an active detriment to his efforts of self-atonement, since the Arm is ultimately a tool to kill people with.
>And once you're a god, you're freed from the cycle as Buddha can't die.
And Sekiro is about dudes trying to cheat that system.
Isnt digital devil saga just a giant buddhism reference?
no problem user.
I mean the sculptor straight up says the arm is no good at carving Buddha when he gives it to Sekiro.
Dont forget the comfy oda nobunaga did nothing wrong threads
This. When you fail as a Buddhist, you don't fail any higher being. You simply fail yourself and your potential.
Really? Fuck, I should actually play that game.
Voices in head tells people to kill for a reason, it seems.
You literally kill and eat the poo in loo god because it violated the karma nap
No only monk do that. Buddhist on general drink alot.
Japanese buddhism is more laxing on monks. They allowed to have children, eating meat and drinking.
Japanese say something like Buddha teaching is in their heart. As long as they can eliminate 3 poisons (delusion, greet, aversion-hate) and helping people in need around them it is enough.
Exactly. That's a metaphorical way of saying the Arm is a tool of destruction, not creation, and a vestige of his violent urges; if your hand sins, cut it off. Also note that when he eventually transforms into the Demon of Rage, his left arm becomes a physical manifestation of his fiery wrath.
Akin to a gamer realising games are pointless and going out into the real world?
>was going to fap but check Yea Forums just a bit first
>this thread pops up
What would Buddha do?
Yes, that was the analogy I was aiming for. Video games are shadows within shadows, distractions within distractions. That's not all bad, though, because there must be a hint of reality in every shadow. We just have to be smart enough to find it.
So buddha is just a more based lucifer?
>I will undertake to abstain from killing
>if you meet the Buddha, kill him
>eating meat
Mahayana Buddhism allows this ONLY if the meat offered to you was not explicitly killed for your sake, i.e. they were having a wedding feast and you dropped in with your alms bowl. This loophole had to exist partly out of practical reasons, because beggars can't exactly be choosers, and refusing charitable donations is pretty damn rude.
>Every time you die, you get judged on your life
Who's judging and is that some kind of system to judge mortal's life and why is there a need for judging?
Conservation of mass/energy says otherwise.
What's the next plane of existence like bros?
Miyazaki wrote the story, but he wrote only a bit of dialogue.
This is horribly interpretion of Buddha.
Buddha can die, in fact he died. He is only alive as teaching inside the heart of follower.
Only chinks and gooks insert the delusion into the teaching. They pray to buddha because they thought when they become buddha they can be immortal.
It is exactly everything Buddhist fight against.
Buddha fight to end of every hate, delusion and greed.
It doesn't really mean shank him.
Cmon man, I'm a hardcore physics fag who believes in reincarnation but the tao of physics crap is handwaving nonsense.
Isnt the whole point of buddhism to stop reeincarnating?
pretty much which means you die for realzy when you go full Buddha.
Yes.
But nowadays modern chinese and korean (not christian) pray and do good deeds because they want to reeincarnating and live a better life.
Buddha also does not teach you that.
To stop bieng a cattle (end of every hate, delusion and greed).
Again, that's a metaphor for casting away false truth. The 'real Buddha' is something that is meant to be a personal accomplishment; if you try to follow in a 'Buddha's' footsteps, you're on the wrong path, because their truth may not be yours.
The way to handle this bossfigth would be an absolute casual filter if done right
Siddhartha Guatama sits in the middle of the monastery, meditating. Any attacks do no damage whatsoever. The only way to beat him is have Sekiro do nothing for two minutes but there's nothing hinting towards this, just have the player get frustrated enough to put the controller down for a bit. After the allotted time is up, Siddhartha simply smiles and lets you pass as he transcends.
The lesson is true pacificism.
Does enlightenment bring "happiness" or is that another illusion that must be shed. Hell, is "contentment" an illusion too?
No, the whole point of Buddhism is to get you to stop slavishly following other people as 'Buddhas'. The real question is this; what should YOU do?
Yes.
Holy shit.
Why chinks worship a street shitter
That wouldn't really be a boss-fight, though, since only you view him as an 'enemy'. It's more of a puzzle to progress through the game.
Shit is an illusion to be destroyed
That sounds good but I think it needs a good riddle to prompt the player.
What?
Street shitter stopped pooped long time ago so he is not a street shitter anymore.
What are the Folding Door monkeys? Puzzle-bosses are nothing new to the Soulsborne series. Aren't most bosses puzzles in a way?
Brainlet detected. Law of conservation of mass/energy undoubtedly proves a physical aspect of reincarnation. Now the question is, does Buddhism support physical aspect of reincarnation or is there something else? That would depend on which Buddhist you ask.
but ultimately it matters not once you're a buddha
If happiness and content are illusions, what about misery and sorrow?
Same.
Gyate, gyate, paragate, parasamgate, bodhi svaha
Realize that nothing really matters, everything start from zero and will come back to zero.
In the end all thing that matters is your life, people around you who you treasure.
You only live once, so live a live that you wont regret.
Dont be fool by delusion and greed.
Dont be fool by hatred and negative emotions. Be objective.
A boss-fight implies a conflict with an enemy that is trying to defeat you, and you can definitely lose against the Folding Door monkeys because they send illusions to kill you. The Buddha in your example doesn't view you as an enemy and isn't trying to defeat you, so he's more of a puzzle. All bosses can be considered puzzles of a sort, but not all puzzles are bosses.
Because while chinks were mass raping and killing each other over rice fields, Indians were questioning the nature of their reality.
Hey, Taoists are pretty chill too.
Why mutts worship a kike
If we're going that route then the law of conservation makes it seem actually impossible to break the cycle. Truth is, its really just a law of the physical world while the idea of reincarnation encompasses so much more. I won't argue anymore user, I'm just tired of hearing physicists high on weed spout that crap every time.
It is worth noting that there is confucianism influences in Sekiro. Especially school of Wang Yang Ming.
That is the final ending. When you accept that it is not the world that shape your mind but you use your mind to shape the world.
By your knownledge put into action you can modify your own fate
This is why you hear the quote "Samsara is nirvana and Nirvana is Samsara" its not that your body escapes the Nirvana like you're being airlifted out of the cycle. Its also not about your soul being airlifted out of the cycle. Buddha certainly denied the existence of such soul. The idea was mainly about the illusion/delusion of the mind.
If you read the Dhammapada, the main thing it focuses on is the mind. How the mind shapes the view of the world and such and how to purify the view. This is what is breaking out of the cycle means. A fundamental change in perspective, but bit more radical in that it turns the entire perspective of common human inside out.
You're right about the several planes of existence but it's a bit more complicated than that.
"Gods" are just supremely enlightened beings in their own planes of existence. They can be reborn in lower planes. Depending on which plane you're born into you can move into a higher or lower realm; in ours you can move between either, but it all depends on your actions which are judged upon death; in ours you can also meditate to experience the other realms.
In the lower realms, you do not have the capacity to commit some dukkha, and thus you're reborn either in the same realm or in a higher (humanly) realm.
Some sects of Buddhism strive to reach and stay within the highest realms--the Buddha taught that you can be reborn in the lower realms by acting like and worshiping the lower creature you want to be reborn as--while others try to surpass even these Godly realms by achieving Nibbana, which is the ending of the cycle of rebirth, which is what the Buddha achieved and taught.
>if you try to follow in a 'Buddha's' footsteps, you're on the wrong path, because their truth may not be yours
This is basically the premise of Hesse's Siddartha, and the book is probably the best way to understand Buddhism from a western point of view
Buddha would indulge, see that fapping is pointless and stop with this degeneracy at once.
Fapping violates one of the 227 precepts for Bhuddist monks. It's fine as long as you aren't one I think.
You'll be happy in the knowledge that you've awakened, then it's your duty to present the path to others even though it's not their path
I do enjoy that clip.
It does not matter as Buddha does not feel good from masturbate becausebhe has already eliminate (by mind) such needs.
In another world as buddhist you can fap but to become buddha you should get rid of such need
This. If you're not a monk you're free to fap.
The Dalai Lama is in fucking Taiwan you retard. Tibet isn't even recognized as a nation.
Buddhism really is the least retarded religion
I think we perceive it as fractals
read into it, there are plenty of 'retarded' parts.
t. korean buddhist
you mean Sekiroulsbornes or Soulkirobornes
And you think you're gonna escape without having to deal with satan?
He can't do anything but scare you down a wrong path
It might be the most retarded really. Not necessarily as an insult, but the point is to break dualistic thinking. It depends upon there being 2 truths at the same time that inherently contradict themselves. Its pretty difficult to do that since standard rationalization would see that circumstance as retarded.
>read the tibetan book of the dead
>basically summed up as don't go into the light because demons will anally rape you if you do
Neither is Taiwan.
An easier way to think about it is the possibility there is no 'One Truth' that dominates others. Buddhists try to break that kind of dogmatic thinking by paradoxes, riddles and discourses to stop you from clinging to a single vision of 'reality' and path to enlightenment.
>Is Buddhism a big part of the game?
it has major buddhist themes and allusions to samsara. there is also a buddhist temple based on japanese buddhist monks that mummified themselves alive.
What the Buddha taught is a path, a method. You're asking if you can head into the woods and still follow the road. Where do you want to go? His instructions lead to a specific destination. If that is your goal you would be well advised to go in the direction he's pointing.
Also look up the Direct Path.
The Senpou Temple in the game is a deliberately corrupt mockery of Buddhism. The monks have practically become pagan worshippers of the 'Worm' in a futile quest for immortality, which is the complete antithesis of enlightenment.
So around what time period did all the monks around Senpouji get corrupted? When did the obsession with immortality begin? Has there been more than one Demon of Hatred?
Ok so I’ve found the monkey bit I don’t have the mortal blade yet. Where should I go? The last major bosses I’ve beaten were Genichiro and Centipede Giraffe
It probably coincided with Tomoe leaving Fountainhead. So it must have been during the 20 year reign of Isshin when all went to shit at Fountainhead and the Monks started their shit.
>tfw we never got to meet/fight Tomoe in a game of lightning tennis.
>20 year reign
Man, compared to how long I'm used to thinking kingdoms lasted in Dark Souls games, it's kinda odd knowing Ashina wasn't free for that long before everything went to shit.
I'd argue the corruption and obsession begun with the very first inheritor of the Dragon's Blood. Imagine how much you could accomplish if you could never die. Of course, success attracts imitators, which the monks tried to do by experimenting on children with the Rejuvenating Waters, which led to the Child's creation and Genichiro using it to resurrect Isshin. They also worshipped the Centipede as a bootleg version of the Dragon, which turned a whole lot of them into literal bug-people, including the Guardian Ape and Hanbei.
Also, it's heavily implied Shura are a recurring problem, especially as Isshin had to stop the Sculptor from becoming one by hacking off his arm, which he refers to in his Shura-ending boss-fight. The Demon of Hatred could either be a fully-formed Shura, or an imperfect one.
t. greasy American fedora
The "least retarded" religion is probably Roman Catholicism, because the obssession with scholasticism has made sure that everything would make perfect sense (even if you disagree with the premise or final conclusion), but that just means that the retardation is traded for turbo autism instead.
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>Also, it's heavily implied Shura are a recurring problem
Isn't it part of Japanese mythology that you can essentially become a demon by being evil enough?
>The monks have practically become pagan worshippers of the 'Worm' in a futile quest for immortality
in real life the reason why the japanese monks did this was because they thought it would allow them to meditate forever until nirvana was reached
The entire game's story is depressingly grim when you put it that way.
To be fair, it's both impressive and kind of expected whenever Ishiin was implied to be striking out against a unified japan. Its stated a few times that the reason the Ministry doesnt actively invade until the end is due to Ishiin actually being a one man army.
>I'd argue the corruption and obsession begun with the very first inheritor of the Dragon's Blood
It seems more like a recent problem though. Ashina also was in war with the Okami Warrior Women of Fountainhead at some point in it's history maybe implying that they thought to force the dragon to turn everyone into a Dragon Heir for immortality. I think it's just a really simple case of the caretakers of Fountainhead growing vain, kinda mirroring noblehood in Japan at that time. The state/fountainhead decayed as a direct response to their disregard for everything except sucking souls and with that anything in Ashina related to the waters also decayed/was corrupted.
If the Nobles gave a shit they would have cleared out the disgusting Lake of Fountainhead but they don't even seem to give a shit that undead, slugs and rotting carcasses are infesting the waters with centipide eggs to boot.