How did this empty open world shit with awful weapon durability manage to get such a high score...

Didnt fall for the bore of the wild open world meme. Twilight Princess is still the best Zelda game.

>Two (2) years

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BotW is a pleb filter.

Its like listening to a child trying to convince me that the Godfather is a bad movie.

>it-it's shit!
>first 40 minutes are all about a wedding!
>not enough car chases, explosions or tits!
>doesn't even have cgi!

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Who knows. Doesn't matter though as it wasn't that successful compared to other open world competition

Same way Elder Scrolls does it. Feature creep over the course of decades, so any improvement seems like a massive leap, whereas franchises that improve with every single game get crucified when one of the new games isn't a 200% improvement. Zelda from Ocarina to Twilight Princess were basically the exact same game. That's a whole decade of the exact same game, with extremely minimal improvements. Skyward Sword got shit out, and was one of the worst games ever, yet it scored exceptionally well, because Nintendo "revolutionized" the franchise by having shitty motion controls. Take all the problems Skyward Sword had;

>mostly gimmick dungeons
>a dull, empty world
>boring combat
>shit story
>1 real town

but then add in the open world meme, and completely basic survival elements, and "systemic" gameplay that everyone else has been doing since the PS2? how could it ever have failed? Of course there's also the "it's okay when nintendo does it" factor, and it was guaranteed success. Basic economics, my boy. Nintendo games the system better than anyone.

>comparing BotW to the Godfather
Holy kek
Nintendies are truly delusional

because it was the only game out for the switch, nintendo even hired the guy who reviewed it for IGN

Still traumatised by BotW more than two years later.

Fucking hilarious.

>Breath of the Wild was a flash in the pan, which is why I still get completely asspained over it in shitposting threads two years later.
Don't you get tired of this?

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Yeah that one guy.

Lets ignore everyone else.

What if I told you I didn't care what reviews said? What if I told you that in *my* personal opinion, BotW is one of the best games I've played on any system in the past 10 years?

You see, you pretend that review scores don't mean anything but you remain completely triggered by them. Sad.

A 97 for a Nintendo game is higher than a 97 for literally any other company. Much higher.

That doesn't mean the game deserved a 97 though.

Not traumatized at all, but thanks for the concern. I just find funny the things you retards come up with to cope with the fact that not everyone thinks the game is some masterpiece.

>Nintendo bonus is real
Yup but not just for video games

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Absolutely seething for over two entire years

why are you so obsesed over this game user?

Nobody cares what you think lmao. You have to wake up everyday in a world where BotW is considered one of the greatest games of all time.

And you cannot stand it.

Oh my. Thats never going to stop being funny.

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same reason Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword have 96 and 93 respectively: 3D Zelda Bonus

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>Nintendo bonus
>Zelda bonus

Having to invent fake scores just to cope. Pretty pathetic really.

>muh empty world
what do you want? a freaking dungeon every 10 steps?

worlds are supposed to be empty

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>hurrrr let me strawman and project because my sacred cow can't be criticized
Neck yourself

In my opinion, Phantom Hourglass is probably the 'worst' Zelda game and its still better than 90% of all video games ever made.

>good games get good scores
Zelda always wins you jealous cuck

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>Zelda Bonus
3D Zelda Bonus, ALBW (91) has roughly the correct rating,

TP, SS and BOTW are 15~20 points above their real quality.

>REEEEEEEEEEE you can't take criticism!

What do you actually think you can achieve here?

>ALBW (91) has roughly the correct rating

Yea Forums hates ALBW too

I'm saying people got caught up in the hype, the original deus ex has a 90 on metacritic, and baulders gate has a 91. Do you really believe that botw is better then those games just because it's metacritic score is higher?

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>Nobody cares what you think lmao.
You seem to care enough to keep replying.
>You have to wake up everyday in a world where BotW is considered one of the greatest games of all time.
Imagine actually thinking the opinions of braindead journos that give garbage games good scores on daily basis is worth something to people with more than a single brain cell. Keep up the coping, butthurt-san.

stay mad and keep crying

I think there are Nintendo, Sony AND Microsoft games with higher scores than they deserve. There is no "bonus."

>REEEEEEE STOP SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT MY FAVORITE GAME
What do you actually think you can achieve here?

Funny that there are very few Breath of the Wild general discussion threads anymore, but “BotW is overrated trash” threads continue to appear almost daily over 2 years later. Really makes you think.

where is your critcism?

>what do you want? a freaking dungeon every 10 steps?

absolute brainlet.

No one cares. RDR2 matched its praise and outsold it on one console

>Keep up the coping, butthurt-san.
Says the faggot who is absolutely fuming about the fact that BOTW has a high score on pretty much every single site on the internet

>2 year old game
>Yea Forums is still crying that it did well

>journalist scores are meaningless to me which is why i made/entered a thread whining about them

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>j-journos!!

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I truly don't know. At a time when I thought everyone was finally turning on the open world meme it got rave reviews. I enjoyed it enough to finish it, but it's really not what I wanted from Zelda, I felt like I was just playing the latest Ubisoft title after the first few hours.

Mentally ill.
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idk

but lots of games are overrated, everything is 100 these days

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What is wrong them?

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One of the only games to literally put me to sleep.

>I just find funny the things you retards come up with to cope
Ironic coming from someone still trying to argue against a game released 2 years ago, just stop being so obssesed user, Masterpiece or not, the game is very good and you should just deal with it, just like everyone else did and move on.

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let's be honest.

OOT deserves a 98.

BOTW does not deserve a 97. At all. It isn't even a complete game, it's a tech demo. No story, no dungeons, no item progression, just a bunch of shrine minigames.

Any actual Zelda fan will agree OOT shits on this game.

>8 pages
jesus christ thats pathetic

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Halo and TLoU have scores they don't deseve. Drop the victim complex, there isn't any bonus.

holy fuck

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Imagine unironically valuing the opinion of paid shills this much you start seething at the sight of someone pointing out those scores are worthless.

>muh goty awards
I don't think you're helping your case here.

>game ratings are all accurate

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No. I've played since the original and BotW is by far and away the best Zelda game.

why don't you answer my question, do you believe that botw is better then deus ex or baulders gate simply because it's metacritic score is higher?

>Masterpiece or not, the game is very good
How so?

Seething

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how?

OOT does literally everything better. Combat, story, dungeons, gameplay, the only thing it doesn't have is uhh...cooking shit at a fire? And lame physics tools?

>Fake

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Nah. Combat, story, dungeons and gameplay are done way better in BotW.

>It isn't even a complete game, it's a tech demo.

How?

>No story, no dungeons, no item progression.

You don't seem to understand that Nintendo were trying to freshen the series up, do you?

>Any actual Zelda fan will agree OOT shits on this game.

In what way? There are many ways BotW shits all over OoT (pic-related). And for the record, I prefer OoT over BotW but I also completely understand why BotW is so highly praised. It deserves to be.

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>story

>botw

there is no fucking story

>beat giant shrine, aka beast

>fish bitch tells you some sob story

WOW, STORY TELLING.

>OOT deserves a 98.
MM is OOT but better
OOT is overrated

>hurrr durr stop discussing on topic things
You're a fag, but thanks for reminding me I need to finish my L.A Noire playthrough

it's called "Big Publisher Bonus", no one denies its existence, but fanboys, however the Nintendo Bonus is the most jarring one

Sad samefag seething. That image could be the banner for this board.

>conveniently leaves out it was reviewed by two different people, who have different opinions on the game
What's to say if they reviewed the versions they didn't that the 7.1 guy would give doom switch a lower score and the 8.5 guy gives a higher score to doom pc/ps4/xbone?

you are objectively retarded if you think botw is a step above OOT in terms of game design.

wow, so I can climb a mountain a la assassins creed now. SUCH GAMEPLAY.

I believe those are all fantastic games and I had more fun playing BotW.

>""""criticism""""

>OOT deserves a 98.
*deserved in 98

OoT 3D didn't deserve the 94 in 2011

>forced to adapt

in OOT, you can't chain spam food items when you get hit, like you can in BOTW, with a seemingly infinite food supply.

>so I can climb a mountain a la assassins creed now. SUCH GAMEPLAY.

Idiot.

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>high scores for things I do not like are by paid shills
imagine thinking like that unironically

>its been 2 years of the same shit
>W-WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE IT!?
>its been 2 years
>NO NO NO! I DONT LIKE IT SO IT MUST BE HATED WORLD WIDE REEEEEEE!

>SAMEFAG SAMEFAG SAMEFAAAAG
Jesus christ, you are pathetic.

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are you fucking retarded

you think BOTW invented the "climb stuff while free running" idea?

are you 12 years old? or just stupid?

I'm happy you had fun user, I truly am. But do you believe that because botw has a better score on metacritic, that it is objectively better then those two games with a lower score?

Story is a broad word. OOT and BOTW are kind of the inverse of eachother in terms of OOT having a pretty alright main story but shitty side quests and side arcs and BOTW having a shitty main story but good side quests and side arcs.

It's bad get over it

Is BotW's weapon durability the biggest brainlet filter in existence? Jesus christ you're stupid. The game has bigger issues and yet you still haven't even gotten over that small hurdle.

>BOTW
>RDR2
>Memes
your younger selves would absolutely hate your guts. What happened to you people that you don't even recognize this previously unattainable quality of games. RDR2 might actually be the greatest game of all time, but the highest critique you have is "meme"

BOTW is a sandbox, it has no story, it has no item progression, you get a fucking glider and some physics runes. that's it.

oh, and a lot of glass weapons.

Don't you have a site to ddos beacuse of criticism?

>in OOT, you can't chain spam food items when you get hit

And in OoT you don't get insta-one-hit-REKT by enemies nor are you flung into a completely open ungated vast world with zero hand-holding.

Being able to pause/heal is a nice little safety net for younger players I guess. If you're going to spam ×50 apples like a moron just to stay alive then thats embarrassing.

Thanks for reminding me to go rewatch The Godfather.

>OOT, get a fairy when you die at most

>BOTW, eat more food than a whale any time you are hit

it's a baby game.

>muh nostalgia goggles

It’s ALTTP as Godfather, OoT as 2 and BotW as 3.

why do you idiots rely on ratings when you know journalists are all fucking retards who demand an easy mode to beat Sekiro.

these fucking mongoloids can't even beat a simple game. and they judge/rate these games.

you believe ratings as gospel? retards.

seething cuck

Blame Nintendo. Rockstar will make a game once every 5-10 years. Nintendo spits out shit and forces fake praise.

>But do you believe that because botw has a better score on metacritic, that it is objectively better then those two games with a lower score?

>objectively

Its OPINION. Its inherently subjective. I can't even be bother to look those scores up but go back and check how many reviews were calculated to get each score. And then consider why you're getting your panties in a twist over 94, 95, 96 or 97.

Who. Gives. A. Fuck?

Nintendo made an exceptionally great game. That is all.

Sekiro is fucking garbage though. The platforming is awful

BOTW isn't a terrible game. But it isn't the second coming of jesus people say it is.

I've played it. It has many flaws. And many times I have said "I wish it did _____ like ____ (in the zelda series)".

>it's a baby game.

Nintendo game, aimed at ''kids'':
>Treats the player with respect
>Tutorials are done through the player experiencing every system in perfect set pieces that convey mechanics better than text boxes
>complete freedom, player has to find things themselves, removing the use of constant arrow-following and making it feel like a world
>every action, like for instance cutting a tree, is done by the player

Sony games aimed at "Adults":
>Pillars of light in the sky to help players find their way
>Compass/minimap to let the player know exactly where to go, wouldn't want them to get lost ;)
>PRESS X TO ROW YOUR BOAT
>every action done by the player is a button press followed by a mini cutscene

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They're all by paid shills you mong. You must have brain damage.

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>>muh nostalgia goggles

i don't remember a better 3D action-adventure on consoles in 1998, game design has evolved and you can easily see OoT's shortcomings nowadays, but not in 1998. that's why i said OoT 3D didn't deserve the 94 in 2011, not because the art or palette changes (this is subjective), but because the structure itself feels dated

>It's bad get over it

Oh the irony.

>muh Nintendo boogeyman
Kill yourself faggot

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>take hit from enemy

>eat 100 apples and repeat till you win

I hate fanboys, you all eat shit because you are "loyal" to a "company". I play games on PC and console. And i'm telling you BOTW is shit relative to OOT, Awakening, LTTP, and Wind Waker, and others.

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They will be everybody's Boogeyman pretty soon when they're just making mobile games

>Sony games aimed at "Adults":
Sony wishes they had Rockstar. So does Nintendo according to Sakurai and Reggie

>RDR2 might actually be the greatest game of all time, but the highest critique you have is "meme"
It's just a generic open world game with a linear story, "muh realism" gimmicks shoehorned in and high production values. Why would it be one of greatest games of all time, let alone the greatest

i have probably been playing zelda games since before you were born and botw is my favorite game of all time

I'm not even that big a fan of the series. I like the 2D games even though I haven't played most of them, and I can only say that I'm a true fan of MM and BotW, which is one of my favortie games of all time

>People in here talking about how the other Zelda games are better
>"OMGGG SONYYYLET!"

I don't even like Skyrim or Horizon but even I know they did the concept 10000 times better. BoTW isn't even as innovative as people claim to be, it did nothing that hasn't already been done better in every other open world. Keep seething insecure 8 page faggot.

50 years from now you'll be dead when that happens so you might as well kill yourself already lmao

By CARING more than the competition

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that's fine, some people have shit taste

i'm glad you like it. but to me, it feels like a zelda game lacking all the things that make a zelda game good. a story, progression, dungeons, interesting battles, and not just an empty world with glass weapons.

it's not a "bad" game, it's just a bad game by zelda standards.

Why is Yea Forums pretending people don't still love this game 2 years later? A lot of people seem to hold it as one of their all time favourites.

>It's just has high production values
yes I can see why you wouldn't want that

I honestly don't have the energy to argue I just came here to yell fruitlessly into the void of people literally comparing each other to a bean-derived milk

Nintendo Bonus has nothing to do with multiplatform games, though.

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>cinematic trash
>game

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>OH MY GAWWD I LOVE NINTENDO SOOOOO MUCH I'D SUCK REGGIE'S CIRCUMCISED JEW COCK AND DEFEND 98 METAKEK MEME 24/7 ON Yea Forums UNTIL I DIE
OoT was superior in about every way in comparison to your open world meme, you mentally ill tranny.

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the fact anyone thinks botw is better than OOT or MM really saddens me.

I get why you might be disapointed as a fan, but most people don't look at games as how well they fit into X niche. To me at least, "Zelda" is more of a template or a slate of ideas, and every game diverges from that to some extent

BOTW and Last of Us are both highly overrated games.

At least be honest. They are both a lot worse than their "metarating".

Nice
well thought out argument
i've changed my mind
:/

lmao you haven't played BotW have you? You moron, progression in BotW has fuck all to do with stats and everything to do with ability and resourcefulness.

lmao try harder retard

>no u tier response after getting utterly destroyed
the anal devastation caused by BOTW on sonygroes is truly hilarious to see

because it's a zelda game, that's why.

Why did Skyrim get such a high score?

Good to know. You're still an autistic faggot though.

>it did what others don't

Please explain this, because nothing in this game is new nor hasn't been done better.

yet rdr2 is also at 97

i'd argue that game deserves it more, but hey, opinions.

All mainline Zelda games are pretty good games. Even the DS ones are good.

are you seriously implying that BOTW is on the same level as godfather? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>yes I can see why you wouldn't want that
Not a matter of wanting that or not. High production values alone don't make a game worth of being called the greatest of all time.
>I honestly don't have the energy to argue I just came here to yell fruitlessly into the void of people literally comparing each other to a bean-derived milk
Could have saved yourself the trouble of replying, seeing as you have no actual arguments. Now you can fuck off and stop pretending to know what you're on about.

Jesus christ why is it always Nintendo fans.

BotW nor RDR2 is the GOAT.

The GOAT will the first one who can figure out how to make a great story and give the player nearly unlimited player choice and creativity. Each one of these exceeds in one while failing at the opposite.

>I don't even like Skyrim or Horizon but even I know they did the concept 10000 times better

Two years later and the ass-sting is still fucking hilarious.

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wow you sure got me :(

Is a game like that even possible? If you give the player too much choice want the narrative be at odds with that?

Breath of the Wild is just a glorified tech-demo.

Just wait for the improved sequel, by then the media will "suddenly" realize the flaws of BotW.

Odyssey does it better than BOTW

And the combat isn't actually terrible.

>Todd Howard

>Of Fallout 76

The fact that a game like BOTW uses 10 year old tech and still managed to play better than RDR2 was hilarious

>then the media will "suddenly" realize the flaws of BotW
You forgot to include the millions of fans that also love it

Because it's good you boomer fuck

The same people sucking off BOTW are the ones demanding an easy mode to beat Sekiro.

Think about that.

If I had one wish I'd be that none of you ever existed.
This place has ruined me as a person and I resent you all for it.

This is way more correct. BOTW is shit design.

The game that came closest to this is called Deus Ex and it came out almost 19 years ago. So, it's righfully the GOAT.

Yep. Autistic faggot.

I think OoT and MM are the best Zelda games but if someone digs the more sandbox style it's obvious they'd prefer BotW

...

Not really but nice projection you retardednigger. they're like totally different type of games

What progression does BOTW have? You don't need korock seeds, you don't need the MS or any heath(unless you are brain dead) and there's nothing else to do in this game. SO please, explain this progression. And don't use "exploration of the world" because that's nonsense.

>yet rdr2 is also at 97
Both great games

>REEEEEEEE IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE SERIES SO IT'S SHIT: THE THREAD

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i'm saying the people rating these games are shit at videogames.

>Just wait for the improved sequel, by then the media will "suddenly" realize the flaws of BotW.
FUCKING THIS

BotW is the Fallout 3 of Zelda. I hope we get a NV instead of Fallout 4 we’re probably going to get.

>Nintendo Bonus

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No, the goat will be a game that has production values on RDR2's scale and player choice like Breath of the Wild. The next Zelda game CAN'T be post-apocalyptic again. There needs to be plenty of lively towns, NPCs walking around, side missions, a better narrative and a lot more interactions with NPC's. Along with the things BotW did well. Namely traversing the world and going where you please. If it does these things it has a shot.

no you are the one who is that faggot

Not at all

What do you mean? You aren't even making sense since Sekiro was acclaimed and also had a high score. Fucking retard

No really, exploration in Odyssey is actually fun. And the world has a ton of shit to see and ? marks (objectives) to see/do.

95% of the time in BOTW world you will see nothing of note.

>SO please, explain this progression.

The game only asks you to do one thing; beat the bad guy in the castle. How you go about doing that is entirely on you to figure out. I'm sorry if you didn't understand the concept of the game.

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That's pretty much what I said... Faggot

>95% of the time in BOTW world you will see nothing of note.

Why talk so much shit?

>fag still posting the pic from the kids book

>In every way
Oh yes sir, do explain how the world exploring and story were better.

But the only way of beating the game is through combat and weapons are not that different. Go play lords of midnight for a game with a strategy vision.

because it's the truth. on the way to one of the "beasts" I ran into literally nothing of note. just bland desert.

LTTP/OOT both have far more interesting worlds, even awakening/tp.

>lootboxes and an unnecessary level system with numbers going up to stimulate your brainlet's pleasure system
Nope

The fuck am I reading? Hey why don't I go play Tetris while I'm at it?

Nope. Autistic faggot.

I'm glad BOTW bait threads still happen since it still causes the hardcore fanboys sperg out

correct

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exploration in that game is actually fun, and the climbing isn't restricted by the retarded stamina bar in BOTW.

and combat is more fun. BOTW is too one dimensional, just stab or side step and pray for the (buggy) flurry rush.

>I ran into literally nothing of note. just bland desert.

Holy shit, you mean the desert is an actual DESERT? Holy fuck! The madmen!

Assuming you anecdote is true (it isn't) what would you have wanted to run into?

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>Hardcore fanboys
The fact you don't think it's a bunch of faggots falseflagging to masturbate to beating each other's fake stupidity is sad.

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lots of sections are boring as fuck. too much time running with no action going on at all.

>BOTW still making sonygroes SEETHE
2 fucking years

>I'm glad BOTW bait threads still happen since it still causes the hardcore fanboys sperg out

Yeah those fanboys are sure upset about their 97-rated GOTY two years later lmao!

How's you feeling about it lol?

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Can’t argue with this. It’s what made OoT, MM, ALTTP, LA and TP’s journey memorable. It actually felt as you were slowly becoming a hero decked out with magical weapons and skills.

I used to think that but some of the replies seem so genuine that I'm willing to bet otherwise

It's really enjoyable for the first playthrough

Didn't answer my question

Can you give an example?

I think he gave up, user.

The fanboys have been seething for two years straight at the very idea of someone not liking any aspect of the game, you can't even criticize the shitty excuse for """music""" without them doing mental gymnastics to explain why it's actually the best OST of all time

it was okay, just not as good as OOT. The sequel will be better though

fucking everywhere

>run to the top of some hill and take pictures of the bitch inside

boring

>run to the stupid cave in the middle of nowhere with the ninja guys you stealth kill then do a miniboss

boring

i'm saying there is a lot of downtime in this game spend running without any action/sites of interest.

to me, it's worse than OOT, and many games are worse than OOT, but it isn't a fun zelda game to me.

idiot faggot

>MM
>good
GTFO. MM is a shitty game that isn't even as good as OoT

>The fanboys have been seething for two years straight at the very idea of someone not liking any aspect of the game.

ln two fucking years I've never seen a single convincing argument as to why BotW should be considered a bad game.

You really have to ask yourself why you're so desperate to find a reason. Why so desperate to find some kind of flaw? Why can't you just admit Nintendo made a great game and move on with your life?

Okay but has anyone explained WHY link is Spider-Man and can climb things without any grips?

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>no reason

the story is absolute dog shit

you go to some shrines and get a sob speech from some dead "hero" who gives you some bullshit OP ability.

how is this good by zelda standards?

The fanboys have been seething for two years straight at the very idea of someone actually liking any aspect of the game, you can't even say you like the game without autistic negroes like you doing mental gymnastics to explain why you should have the game. Get your head out of your ass you fucking nigger.

Daily reminder that it has less GoTYs than God of War. Daily reminder that Last of Us has more GoTYs than every Nintendo exclusive combined

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coping faggot

People were saying open world was a shit concept and I shrugged them off as being afraid of change.. Sorry guys, I didnt listen to you. You were right

>the story is absolute dog shit
>you go to some shrines and get a sob speech from some dead "hero" who gives you some bullshit OP ability.
>how is this good by zelda standards?

Tell me all about the story in pic-related.

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>I've never seen a single convincing argument as to why BotW should be considered a bad game.
He only talked about the fanboys seething at disagreeing that BotW was the greatest game of all time, not that it was outright shit.

>represented through multiple items, tunics, swords, shields
You mean...stuff that BOTW has
>devoid of content, save for a few towers and dungeons
There's over a dozen minigames
>dictating the flow of the game through stats and not player ability
You don't need stats to progress through the game.
This image is completely false

I think the first 20 hours of botw are great, and then it starts to fall apart. Weapon durability is good because it makes it feel like survival to find and scavenge weapons. Mid-late game it just becomes an annoyance, especially because enemies don't need to be fought anymore.
I imagine game reviewers don't have very long to play a game before they have to review it, especially a big release like this.

lmao desperate and traumatised. Keep crying yourself to sleep.

technology has come a long way, friend

this "zelda game" came out after Witcher 3 so don't tell me it's hard to put a narrative in a game. And BOTW has a literal retard-tier story.

and the voice acting is garbage too.

>GOTY

like flies to shit.

>I imagine game reviewers don't have very long to play a game before they have to review it, especially a big release like this.
they don’t, otherwise reviewers would’ve shat on wind waker for the triforce quest at the end

seething.

while we are on the GOTY topic

God of War is not a GOTY either. Neither is BOTW.

You all obsess over omega male journalists who can't even beat Sekiro without crying.

>#1
>crying

Yea, maybe crying from laughter after leaving all you nintendies in the dirt

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>I imagine game reviewers don't have very long to play a game before they have to review it, especially a big release like this.

EDGE magazine played the game for about a month before release and it was their GOTY.

You sound like a faggot twelve year old

lmao hey post your edit with the Walkmen in it! You must cry yourself to sleep every night cursing Nintendo lol

>the story
Stopped reading

>game reviewers

the same ones demanding Fromsoft make an easy mode for Sekiro?

Lol, two years

Not an argument

>Make thread about how BotW is shit
>Samefag thread mocking asspain over BotW
>BotW remains relevant another day

people just post about this game to troll other users

just like people post the 10/10 spam for Last of Us

both are overrated games, you are all fanboy faggots. period.

edge magazine likes fromsoft games and they even gave bloodborne a perfect score so you're retarded

Rent free after two years

>the least of us
get out

NES
SNES
Gameboy
GBA
Wii
DS
3DS

PS1
PS2

Looks like 7 - 2 lol

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People only post about this because Yea Forums is a cancerous fanboy page where people in their respective camps, suck the dicks of nintendo or sony and don't actually care about video games.

You all deserve AIDS, die.

>awful weapon durability

Delete this!

>say Naughty Dog's walking simulators don't deserve their scores
sonygros call me a shitposter, a nigger, a troll
>say Nintendo's overrated stuff don't deserve their scores
nintenbros call me a sonygro

user's argument wasn't about the quantity of story in the game but instead the execution, Zelda 1's story is simple and basic but given the timeframe it didn't need to really be anything but a standard fantasy story. BOTW has a much larger emphasis on its world and yet barely any effort is put into giving Hyrule any history or context outside of the calamity and Link awakening years later

It's like the Force Awakens of Zelda, where it tries to imitate the first entry in its series, but is bogged down by a lack of care going into setting up how the world became the way it is in the first place, as well as how it tries to use the games that came out after the first to excuse any need for adding its own history

>tfw Sony made the best selling system ever made on their 2nd try
>tfw Sony stole the console market from under Nintendo's noses on their first try

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>Be me, playing DMC5 and Sekiro

>See idorts still whining about old games

why

The story is fine with the memories, just complain about the shit enemy variety which is a legit complaint unlike all of the normal garbage.

The Switch can't handle that, sadly.

>The story is fine with the memories,
The story was ass. Zelda was a terrible character and took too much of the spotlight while the characters we want to see get little to nothing. It was Skyward Sword levels of terrible writing.

LoU and GoW2018 are the definition of oscar bait.

I wasn't the biggest fan of the story but it held up well enough to not be ass. It was clear that she was very put off by her inability to use her power and things were slowly getting worse and worse as she was powerless to fulfill her assigned duty. Not perfect but serviceable.

BOTW: 189 out of 332 awards
GOW: 196 out of 384 awards

Looks like BOTW was the one that won lmao

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BotW story has to be sparse by necessity. The point of the game is FREEDOM, and having a story-trigger points would completely undermine the game design.

Nintendo made a game to be played, not a movie to be watched. Its pretty clever to have the 'story' unfold as a quest in itself - finding your lost memories through exploration and letting the mystery unfold in a non-linear way.

Some people won't like it but 'story' has always been an after-thought to Nintendo. The 'game' always comes first.

>Witcher 3 better than both

PC always wins, faggots

?

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Sony made a dvd player on their 2nd try.

Nintendo are still the most celebrated company in gaming history.

>witcher 3: 257 out of 443
nope

>I rate games based on cuck reviewer from Polygon instead of how I feel a game is

You are the problem

All of you feminine faggots.

>literally 4 consoles vs 100

If you wanna play dirty, fine by me Nintendy. Sony always wins in the end :^)

>tfw Sony's gaming sector ALONE makes more revenue than all of Nintendo

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>Nintendo are still the most celebrated company in gaming history.
Sales don't show that seeing as Sony is still #1. Even with the PS3 that was their biggest flop, sold more units than every single Nintendo console (gamecube, Wii U, Switch, N64, SNES, NES) except the Wii.

LOL

>>literally 4
Forgetting the PSP and Vita :^)

While the memories help explain missing pieces of the story leading up to the main game, their context is still solely centered around the early days of the calamity without providing that much substance. You get a basic idea of the champions' personalities, Zelda's issues with her powers which lead to the calamity, and then the actual calamity itself, without deviating beyond the main cast, going into Link as a character, or showing what Hyrule itself is like with the main cities or races

Going back to the Force Awakens comparison, a lot of backstory was provided in the Champion book released after the game, similar to how TFA explained a majority of its history or changes since the sixth movie in a book released later. There's no reason these elements couldn't have been included in the game, especially if they were on the minds of the developers when they were designing the game, Link's backstory especially since he was much more of a defined character in BOTW rather than the standard self-insert he is in the older titles

Ocarina of Time managed to give a history to its Hyrule, Link, his family, and the multitude of new races and characters it created, yet nearly two decades later the same series struggles despite having a larger budget and team with far more development time

story =/= linearity, if anything the success of games like the Souls series show that you don't need to railroad the player to give context to the game world around them

>revenue
Oh sweetie, gotta make sure that revenue can cover expenses!

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i don't know you were the one that brought the witcher 3 in the first place so how about you go fuck yourself, gayboy

Those aren't movie machines so they don't care

>Sales don't show that seeing as Sony is still #1

you are all fucking stupid.

you base your enjoyment of a game based on some blue hair faggot assigning a number to it.

literally go kill yourself, no one will miss you.

Complaining about weapon durability, in a game that keeps showering you with weapons left and right, is always the telltale complaint about a complete shitter in this game.

>talking about console market
>brings up handhelds

Sure thing, Sony's irrelevant in the handheld market just like Nintendo's irrelevant in the console market. Good thing only one form of those is still relevant.

>sourceless graph

Every time.

System on the market = #1
Operating Income = Beating Nintendo in gaming sector alone
Market capital (most relevant stat) = Almost double Nintendos

COPE
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LOL

> Highest Rated Games Of All Time
> 1. Ocarina of Time (1998, Nintendo) (374)
> 2. Chrono Trigger (1995, SquareSoft) (358)
> 3. Breath of The Wild (2017, Nintendo) (302)
> 4. Super Mario 64 (1995, Nintendo) (275)
> 5. A Link To The Past (1991, Nintendo) (272)
> 6. Super Metroid (1995, Nintendo) (266)
> 7. Super Mario World (1990, Nintendo) (262)
> 8. Final Fantasy VII (1997, SquareSoft) (259)
> 9. Final Fantasy VI (1994, SquareSoft) (256)
> 10. Super Mario Bros 3 (1989, Nintendo) (256)
> 11. Resident Evil 4 (2005, Capcom (256)
> 12. Metal Gear Solid (1998, Konami) (255)
> 13. Street Fighter II (1991, Capcom) (252)
> 14. GoldenEye 007 (1997, Nintendo) (246)
> 15. Metroid Prime (2002, Nintendo) (246)
> 16. Half-Life 2 (2004, Valve Corporation) (246)
> 17. Castlevania: SOTN (1997, Konami) (245)
> 18. The Legend of Zelda (1985, Nintendo) (242)
> 19. Super Smash Bros Melee (2001, Nintendo) (241)
> 20. Tetris (1989, Nintendo) (240)
> 21. Shadow Of The Colossus (2005, Sony) (237)

Casual reminder that 7 of the Top 10 Greatest Video Games Of All Time are Nintendo games.

S E V E N.

Nintendo hardware innovations are visible in every rival gaming system for the past 30 years. Even the spoiler image of this board is from a Nintendo game. Nintendo ARE video games. Too bad you can't handle it.

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>handheld consoles
>not consoles
Lol

dude.. no

try playing it.

Older games mean a lot more in ratings because complete shit in the modern era gets at least 8/10.

Also, paid reviews and money influence.

> Highest Rated Games Of All Time
>source - my ass

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Breath Of The Wild is #3 bro. Commence seething.

>>talking about console market
>>brings up handhelds
Without handhelds, Nintendo only has three more consoles than Sony

>one single year out of the last 36
Lol

who is seething, that list is objectively shit

>durr blue hair faggot thinks BOTW is the best therefore it is the best!

you are a retard. try having your own opinions instead of eating the shit of other people.

Get me a direct source for that list. You've been asked for one before and everytime you get BTFO considering you compiled the list yourself

>mfw Last of Us has more GoTYs than all of those games combined
hehehehehe xD

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imagine being poor

imagine owning only one console and no PC. you fucking favela monkeys, go away.

seething

Seething Sonyfag desperately trying to find an angle.

Hey, remember that time when Sony copied Nintendo again by releasing a mini-classic of their console and it was in bargain bins on DAY ONE?

Meanwhile, Nintendo's mini-classics sell out instantly and go for thousands on Ebay?

Wonder why.

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>mfw I wake up and get to play 97s

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Cause stupid people like you don't realize you can make a sony/nintendo classic with a $20 usb device that can run any emulator.

>We live in a timeline where Yea Forums get's so assblastingly angry that they have to dig through their wojak folder when Nintendo of all things makes something successful.

It's like all the new fags from reddit heard Yea Forums is where people act MEAN so that just all put on this facade of hating things like nintendo because they think that's what Yea Forums is.

nu Yea Forums continues to odd me out because Skyward Sword was actually kind of weak but there wasn't nearly this much shit posting about it. What happened?

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C O P E

Made Sony ponies throw an ongoing 2-year long temper tantrum on Yea Forumseddit

welcome to Yea Forums where 10 year olds trigger other 10 year olds.

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I loved this game for the first 30 hrs. Literally loved the music and the sense of exploring , but it felt short on the towns departament I felt that they were too small (but comfy af) and the world had me look for the photographs and these little creatures. Overall I think it was a good idea hold back by shitty hardware.

SS was just a footnote in Zelda history.
BOTW revolutionized a genre, the entire rest of the industry acknowledged they did, and their fanboys are still SEETHING to this day.

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Because it has something most other games don't. soul

Daily reminder that Skyrim is 10 years old and wrecks BOTW in every conceivable way.

>It's like all the new fags from reddit heard Yea Forums is where people act MEAN so that just all put on this facade of hating things like nintendo because they think that's what Yea Forums is.
That's not what it's "like," that's just how it is. Yea Forums stopped being le sekrit club, and started being what it is now after normies from every other corner of the net converged here.

Isn't that a dark souls game?

Seething shits just can't let it go. This isn't about BotW being a 10/10 game or whatever. It runs deeper than that.

This is all about the humiliation this board suffered at the hands of Nintendo. After nearly a year-long hate campaign of shit posting, cherry picking screenshots and flat out spreading lies, Yea Forums attempted everything in it's power to belittle the game and Nintendo's new console.

They honestly thought Nintendo would fail and the Switch would flop. They honestly thought Nintendo would go out of business or go 3rd party.

You could audibly hear their jaws drop in absolute fucking horror when BotW turned out to be one of the best games of all time, single-handedly turned the Switch into a massive overnight success and proved once again that Nintendo were at the cutting edge of game design.

Mario Odyssey was just as critically appraised but the saltyness from that game cuts nowhere near as deep into Yea Forums's psyche like BotW.

They'll never get over it and that's why they've spent more than TWO FUCKING YEARS trying to rationalise the whole affair in their minds - desperately trying to convince nobody but themselves that it was all a mistake.

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>Daily reminder that Skyrim is 10 years old and wrecks BOTW in every conceivable way.
skyrim isn't even 8 years old you retard.

and now the switch has no games of note while I can enjoy Sekiro and DMC5 on my PC

yep

I am devastated.

Daily reminder that the lead developer on Skyrim itself has outright come out and said that Breath of the Wild absolutely trounced Skyrim. Just because it's your childhood star game doesn't mean it's that good, you
cute little zoomer, you.

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Not really, Botw has world building with characters and things that you'll actually care about. Saving the world feels good, Skyrim is just kind of whatever in a really gray environment

Based, red-pilled and /thread

because people actually tried it

Nigga any Nintendo fan worth his while who is also a hardcore gamer owns a Nintendo + PC. This is just common sense.

ayo whity delet dis ma moma cant know dis or she wont gib mo welfare monei for soneey
*smack lips*

>only on playstation
Lol

id say you would be wrong if it were any other zelda game because they're actually good, botw was really shitty. who knew an already easy af game could be casualised even more.

i never want another open world zelda game, TP proved that zelda can do good in big open environments but not full open world, TP has structure and direction on top of open areas.

botw is just "lol go do w/e the fuck you want in w/e order it doesn't matter"

>now the switch has no games of note

6 ( S I X) of the Top 20 best selling games of 2018 were Switch Exclusives. Please cry more for me. Your tears sustain me.

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>world building with characters and things that you'll actually care about.
Nigga the only good character in BotW was Riju, everyone else, especially Zelda, was shit.

>A 97 for a Nintendo game is higher than a 97 for literally any other company.
no it isn't. high scores are actually LESS valuable and meaningful when you consistently inflate the scores for a certain company. skyward shit got a 93 and oot comparisons when it came out, ffs.
metacritic is useless for nintendo and rockstar games.

Me too. But why are you mad?

This, this shit was exactly like the SEGA days when children who got screwed over with autism on the genesis thought nintendo was going to fail for sure only to fall flat on their faces, but instead of children it's grown men.

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>revolutionized a genre
lol do you even know what the fuck you're saying?

you're basically implying that nintendo created the concept of open world games and that they changed gaming forever so much to the point where everyone else is going to copy them because it was suge a huge success.

good game? sure
revolutionary? fuck no, retard.

who gives a shit?

I have a ps4 and pc and play whatever I want

this is true but only due to how many mods and add-ons exist for Skyrim, though even without them you can still get a decent experience out of it as long as you have the DLC

>Not really, Botw has world building with characters and things that you'll actually care about.
he actually believes this

todd had to say that to get skyrim on switch you complete and utter brainlet.

RENT FREE

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>tfw i genuinely didn't like the game and found it empty and boring
>can't say this without getting bullied and smearing the 97 on my ass as lube

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I wasn't really including Link, Zelda and Ganondorf because they're too timeless and have already existed, I'm talking about ones like you mentioned being memorable and kind of a reason why you like saving the world for them

Based as fuck

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>cutting edge of game design.
>humiliation
>jaws drop
>best games of all time
whats it like being a legit brainlet? i like botw but you're making it out to be more important than it actually is. its not doom 1 or 2 where it literally changed gaming forever, making them literally the best games of all time.

>BotW
>best game I've played in 10 years
>TEN YEARS
nigger have you not played literally ANYTHING in the past 10 years?

>This is just common sense.
it's common sense because if all you had was a Switch you'd be starving for games

go to bed Gladium

it's a good game but not one of the best games of all time.

OOT yes, FF6 yes, Chrono Trigger yes, Deus Ex yes, but this no.

I think it's overrated. But many games are now.

>i can play bloodborn and unlimited games on my pc
why you suddenly swap sides? i'll report this post to sony marketing department

eat shit basedmilk flakebot

Sterling was being a massive contrarian when he gave botw a 7/10, but now I actually agree with him.

>ln two fucking years I've never seen a single convincing argument as to why BotW should be considered a bad game.
here's your problem: you're retarded enough to think that "overrated" is a synonym for "bad."
nobody's arguing that it's a bad game. it's not big rigs, sonic 06 status. it's just far from a 97 in reality.

CRY. MOAR.

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Honest opinions: BOTW was nice the first time through, but it was rife with flaws. you want a game tha's far better and did everything BOTW did, but properly? I'd say pic related did the job.

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Compare Breath of the Wild to other open worlds. Just do it. Think about it.

>Witcher 3
"USE YOUR WITCHER SENSES TO SEARCH THIS MASSIVE FIELD FOR 3 GLOWING RED OBJECTS, THEN FOLLOW A STINK TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS TO FIND A DEAD BODY" Repeat this absolutely horrid mechanic 100+ times. Good writing at least.

>Skyrim
The closest to Breath of the Wild in terms of exploring, but the game is bugged to fuck and back, the world is boring as shit which severely cuts the desire to explore, and the combat is pure typical Bethesda shit jank

>GTAV
Rockstar have actively regressed with each game when it comes to developing with an open world in mind. It's actually baffling that while their production values escalate at a seemingly compound rate yet their mission design and the like is going the opposite direction.

>Far Cry and Assassin's Creed (basically any Ubishit game)
Lmfao.

When I say Breath of the Wild is the best open world game of all time by far, easily, I'm told "NUH UH, YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ANY OTHER OPEN WORLD GAME YOU NINTENTARD". In reality the truth is probably that they haven't played enough. Other open world games are just fucking boring as fuck to play compared to Breath of the Wild. It feels good to MOVE in Breath of the Wild. It feels good to just run through fields and climb shit and glide around and explore.

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a "dvd player" with a better library of games than any nintendo console ever made.

I really don't care for the rockstar formula. Piss poor gameplay strung together with cutscenes emulating movies.

It's just not my thing.

>In reality the truth is probably that they haven't played enough. Other open world games are just fucking boring as fuck to play compared to Breath of the Wild.
What happens if you're someone who wants a challenge, and you despise games that give you too many crutches that trivialize the game? During my playthrough, I didn't feel any challenge no matter how much I restricted myself. And I had to pay 20 bucks for a hard mode in the hopes that it might alleviate the situation? and it didn't even do that. regenerating health is not challenge. It just means I have to hit them a few more times. Where's the improved AI? Where's the hardcoded restrictions on hoarding food, hoarding stamina, getting too many hearts, or any of the other issues?

Why would anyone only have one console?

BOTW has ruined all open world games like Witcher 3 and HZD for me.
Bought Horizon Zero Dawn and I put maybe 15-20 hours into it. I finished BOTW then went back to HZD. I couldn't take it seriously after BOTW.
I was constantly jumping against random walls to try and climb them
I was constantly venturing into strange and difficult-to-access parts of the map and being disappointed when there's nothing there, not even a Korok Seed OR something to discover
I was also constantly marveling at how good the weather animation is in HZD, but keep expecting to be struck by lightning during every storm. I felt no fear or nothing wherever I am.
And when I go back to MGSV to try and finish it, or Blood and Wine, or Xenoblade Chronicles X... it's the same damned thing.
Breath of the Wild has really ruined open world games for me. Nintendo has set a brand new standard, and it is just too, too high.
Nintendo has literally set a new fuckin standard. Open world skyrim clones literally don't feel the same after this game, this game will be remembered 10 years down the line. Honestly, I'm left unsatisfied by how empty other games are. The focus on hyperinteractivity in the environment has changed open world forever.
Anyone else know this feel?

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>baffled at the comment
>AHAHAHA CRY MOAR U MAD? LMAO
You can not be any more fucking retarded.

>ACfag

>When I say Breath of the Wild is the best open world game of all time by far,
Nah GTA3-SA still hold the crown and are the reason open world is being latched on to now days

Zero argument.

Please keep crying. Watching you sperg-out for more than 2 years straight hasn't stopped being absolutely hilarious.

I'm the person you responded to, and I'll say that Breath of the Wild doesn't do difficulty any worse than any of the others I said. Witcher 3 actually becomes a complete fucking joke once you realize how broken Quen is, for example. For the rest of them upping the difficulty quickly becomes an exercise in frustration.

And I agree, the hard mode in Breath of the Wild is a complete fucking tragedy and actively makes the game worse. I say that as someone who considers it in their top 5. I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking and I can only hope that the people who were behind the difficulty mode were promptly fired.

i can agree with 80% of your post, but nigger you better take that back on the witcher!
>also
the only thing i really dislike about BoTW was the lack of weapon combos, i know you were suppose to find out the most creative way to beat your enemies using the environment, but the action sword combat use to be essential since zelda became 3D. i really dont think its the best zelda game, even less to beat OOT, but for me, it was a solid 97

>h-he said it but he didn't MEAN it

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>Nintendo hardware innovations are visible in every rival gaming system for the past 30 years.
that's because nintendo ripped all of those hardware """innovations""" off from said rival systems in the first place.

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>bringign up assassin's creed out of nowhere

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>Nintendo has set a brand new standard, and it is just too, too high.

>There are several things, but one of them is realizing how truly impressive recent games are. I’ve recently played games such as Marvel’s Spider-Man and Red Dead Redemption 2, and I have to take my hat off to the sheer scale and detail in these games. As someone who creates games myself, I really do understand the extraordinary amount of effort that is required to make them. It’s definitely difficult to create games like that here in Japan. But of course once they are out there, users will come to expect such a standard

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>Meanwhile, Nintendo's mini-classics sell out instantly and go for thousands on Ebay?
and what did that get you? no virtual console, rom sites taken offline, nintendo making you subscribe to nes roms as a service. sure looks like sony fans are the winners here for not rewarding this cash grab.

It's a sign that god hates you. kys.

I don't care for BOTW but Skyrim is a legitimately awful game you underage fuck.

Nintendo admitted defeat to rockstar again?

Cope

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Breath of the Wild beats RDR2 the hardest out of all open world games though. The moment you touch the controller to play Breath of the Wild, it feels great to just move around and climb shit.

Touch the controller to play RDR2 and you just want to get on with the story or go find a game of dominoes so you don't have to play as much.

Same. I think BOTW is a 5/10 game at most, but I wouldn't praise anything made by Todd Howard even if you paid me to.

>how dare you nintendo to use pads and sticks!

rdr2 and AC Odyssey/Origins to me have more lifelike/interesting worlds than BOTW.

yes, BOTW gives you freedom but the world is mostly boring.

He actually posted it lmao!

Hey, you should include pic-related and claim Nintendo ripped it off for their GameBoy console while you're at it! LOL!

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Yes and Sega made an online network before Halo, however guess which one actually did it right and popularized it? If you're so delusional that you believe Nintendo "ripped these off" that is fucking sad

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i don't need to cope. i have roms and emulators for free while you buy overpriced raspberry pis for even more ridiculous prices from scalpers on ebay.

U P S E T

>however guess which one actually did it right and popularized it?
pc.

>get to the desert region in BOTW
>find the gerudo town
>"hmmm, the game does off me freedom, so let's see how I can interact with these people"
>can't sneak in, guards instantly spot you no matter where you are (even if you're 1000 feet in the air with revali's gale)
>can't fight the guards because they're invincible
>have to crossdress and submit to their retarded leader, who takes credit for you calming Vah Naboris
>the gerudo still hate your guts afterward

Any BOTW fans want to explain this high level of cuckholdry?

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Which game user?

>people still post this image

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>yes, BOTW gives you freedom but the world is mostly boring

Really? Complete opposite for me. Compare and . In the BOTW image alone you can see a giant volcano, an evil possessed castle, a vast plain, a forest right below, and a snowy mountain peak off the left. Compare that to RDR2 which has a small cabin off to the left, a lake below, trees everywhere, and mountains everywhere.
Different strokes I guess. I could see why someone who prefers a more realistic setting would find RDR2's image more appealing.

Not sure about a "Nintendo Bonus" but there is DEFINITELY a "Zelda Bonus". Skyward Sword proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt, not even considering the vastly overinflated scores for OoT and BOTW.

any game that isn't a subscription mmo, because unlike xbox, the online is free.

>Women are angry about every thing how could nintendo do this?

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We're talking about games that are good user, not the thing that held back online gaming from actually becoming good

WTF how did Michael and his goons do this?

>alone you can see a giant volcano, an evil possessed castle, a vast plain, a forest right below, and a snowy mountain peak off the left.
And this is what you can do there.

>escort quest on the volcano involving a dumber than normal coward Goron
>the castle is completely useless and you can bypass it by climbing and eating stamina food. This isn't good because it means the dungeon has no purpose other than to be a minor roadblock.
>the plains are usually filled with boko camps, and nothing more
>forest is usually just fodder for cutting wood
>mountain peak only has Naydra and some stretched out shrine quest

The only time I ever genuinely had fun was fighting the 3 lynels in the snowy region at the edge of the world.

The dark magic of harvesting little boys' innocence.

>We're talking about games that are good user
then why did you bring up halo?

RDR2 world actually feels alive, even simple stuff like hunting is fun. And there are random sidequests/people to interact with and the environments are interesting.

Odyssey has tons of shit to explore, but BOTW is more like a giant sandbox with a few moblin camps and some breakable weapons.

>game that offers "freedom"
>not allowed to violently murder a bunch of desert marauders who hate all men

Some "game" you got there Ninty.

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>two years later and we're still having these exact same shitty threads with the exact same shitty talking points, and the exact same shitty arguments and counter-arguments regurgitated ad nauseum
How have you guys not gotten sick of this routine yet?

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>tfw i genuinely liked the game and found it fascinating and thought-provoking
>can't say this without being bullied and called a nintendo shill by Yea Forums

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>How have you guys not gotten sick of this routine yet?

I never get tired of laughing at ACfag. BotW is the gift which keeps on giving.

You found a zelda game fascinating and thought provoking? Are you fucking serious?

I don't really know what to add to the conversation besides I climbed the first tower and tried to see if I could fall/catch myself instead of climbing down and died, that was the last time I played.

>RDR2 world actually feels alive
The fact that you can't even go near Blackwater until post game and certain items only become available in shops based on your story progress automatically makes BOTW better in my book despite all of the cool details RDR2's world has that I wish were more present in BOTW.

To be fair, while I don't think BotW is worth the near perfect score, it's definitely much better than Skyrim.

That user's post and the one he's replying to are both falseflagging bait posts.

>ACfag
Sounds like someone is living rent free in your head.

>yes, BOTW gives you freedom but the world is mostly boring.
EXACTLY.

The post apocalyptic, lonely vibe, is terrible compared to the life of RDR2. AI that isn't an enemy doesn't react to Link. The AI just stands there and waits for you to come up and engage in a loop text dialogue.

The next Zelda needs to make Hyrule feel alive. Meaning, no burned down, old cites. Actual towns and cities instead of fucking horse stables outposts(lazy). Dynamic AI like R* games that reacts to the player. Better horse controls/grooming and give me an interesting story. Oh and better boss battles. The last Zelda game that had a good story and characters was MM and OoT. Keep the climbing system, physics, exploration and player choice. Then I might admit Rockstar's been legitimately bested

>You found a zelda game fascinating and thought provoking? Are you fucking serious?
I've got a treat for you

architectureofzelda.com/

>>the castle is completely useless and you can bypass it by climbing and eating stamina food. This isn't good because it means the dungeon has no purpose other than to be a minor roadblock.
This right here is the difference between someone who adores Breath of the Wild and someone who loathes it. Neither side is right or wrong, it's just how tastes work. This sentence perfectly reflects the entire feelings everyone has about Breath of the Wild.

Did you get to Hyrule Castle, ride up the waterfall, climb into Ganon's Lair and say "What the shit that was too easy" or did you roam the castle scouting out all the nooks and crannies, reveling in the small little discoveries like Zelda/The King's diary?
Did you find Lurelin village and say "Oh cool, this small little village exists" and feel happy while you did the meager amount of sidequests and minigames there that you discovered this small little nook of the world and the people there, or were you upset there wasn't more content/rewards?
Did you climb/trek to the top of Mt. Laynaru, cleanse Naydra then feel utter disappointment that your reward was an ice spear that breaks in 20 hits and a spirit orb, or did you not even care and were still high off the rush of your discovery?

I think the reason why BOTW was reviewed so highly was because many gaming journalists were forced to play dozens of open world games that sent you into zones to destroy X bandit camps, X Enemy Flags, and your reward was X Gold, X silver ore, X orichalcum ore, "Better Sword Plans", etc. etc. To suddenly have a game say "fuck that, it's all about the thrill of the discovery, not the reward for it" must have blown them away.

Like I said, no one is wrong, it's just how people perceive and think of things.

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This. I enjoyed every little thing I came across in BOTW and was only disappointed if it happened to be a test of strength shrine.

did not know about Alpha Waves, gonna check that out, thanks bud

Innovation does not mean "invention" you dumb stupid fucking brainlet. These threads are impossible because of people who can't speak English and can't understand the difference between doing it first and doing it best.

I just despise games that don't have challenge in them. I wouldn't cry if every single "comfy" game in existence was destroyed and forgotten. They're the reason why the industry has gotten so bad. We didn't gatekeep the retarded casuals, so they flooded in and demanded that things be "easy" and "comfy" as opposed to actually having an upward challenge that requires skill. It pisses me off to no end.

>tfw most Zelda fans hate games like Dark Souls and Hollow Knight because, and I quote, "they're too videogamey and don't have enough story"

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Same reason the worst version of Doom got higher reviews just for being on a Nintendo system.

>most Zelda fans hate games like Dark Souls and Hollow Knight because, and I quote, "they're too videogamey and don't have enough story"

Wat?

>We didn't gatekeep the retarded casuals, so they flooded in and demanded that things be "easy" and "comfy" as opposed to actually having an upward challenge that requires skill
Guess how I can tell you started playing games on the Ps2.
>Praises Dark Souls
Oh yeah, you definitely did

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Yawn.

It didn't. But keep crying.

>>tfw most Zelda fans hate games like Dark Souls and Hollow Knight because, and I quote, "they're too videogamey and don't have enough story"

Now you just come off as petty generalizing entire fanbases like that, especially one of the biggest fanbases in all of videogames.
I'm a huge Zelda fan and absolutely adore Dark Souls. There are things combat-wise Zelda could definitely learn from Dark Souls (mostly making enemies not complete fucking retards).

But honestly when you say shit like that it makes me not even want to respond. You come off either like a 12 year old or a shitposter.

Not him but I started with the NES and value challenge a great deal. Nintendo hard was a phrase for a reason. One of my first games was castlevania and it fucked me endlessly.

I have no time for easy "comfy" games.

>There are things combat-wise Zelda could definitely learn from Dark Souls (mostly making enemies not complete fucking retards).
Did we play the same Dark Souls? Because I played the one where enemies could kill themselves by falling off cliffs, routinely got stuck on geometry, blocked each other's attacks and let you backstab them for free. Zelda doesn't need to learn from Dark Souls as far as combat is concerned because Souls combat is fucking shit, Zelda needs to learn from the one Zelda game that had impressive combat for its time.

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Look at this thread and how many defenses people offer for the game being easy.

>it's meant to be easy
>challenge is toxic and problematic
>they need to pander to the children or Nintendo won't make alot of money!

Cheese and crackers, what benefit do I gain from Nintendo making billions, when they don't invest that into something that everyone can enjoy? I was under the impression that Nintendo made games for all ages, and yet the idea of even an optional (and functional) hard mode is like a slap in the face. Asking for that is like I just insulted their mothers. That's really the issue I have with pandering to children. It's the reason why I hate Kirby too. An optional harder difficulty is too much to ask from this multi-billion dollar company that makes record profits every time they sneeze, but they can't invest that back into their games. But I'm the bad guy because I don't praise comfy games as 10/10 masterpieces.

Ign gave Doom on pc a 7.1.

They gave Doom on switch an 8.5

It happens.

>awful weapon durability
What is it about weapon durability that puts bees in people's bonnets? And not just Zelda, but any game that has it.

It's hard to put what I mean into words. Making enemies more intimidating would better convey my meaning, I think. That's a huge reason why lynels were so well received by the masses: You play the whole game slapping aside bokoblins, moblins, and lizalfos then suddenly you run into one of these things who absolutely mean fucking business.

The next Zelda game needs more enemies like that. Darknuts and Stalfos would be a good start addition wise, though much stronger than they were before. Even as midbosses Darknuts (TP) and Stalfos (SS) were a fucking joke compared to how scary and fun to fight lynels can be.

I honestly don't know if Yea Forums's hateboner is just shitposting anymore.

its good

It's hard to maintain balance in the game where weapon durability doesn't just become a hassle.

You either wind up with weapon durability that becomes a rare issue, like dark souls or diablo, which worked as it would come up but would not be a frequent issue, or it's a constant issue, like in BOTW, where players wind up feeling put out or frustrated by it and change play style to avoid the hassle.

>wow you sure got me :(
It's nature itself which got you. I'm so sorry.

Story. Video game. End yourself

I started avoiding combat in BOTW in every case I could where I didn't think I'd get a better weapon in exchange. I felt like that was not a good outcome in terms of making the game fun.

Two different reviewers.

Switch version included the patched issues which gimped the original PC release.

COPE.

I had a really great first like 8 hours in the game, then I realized how truly empty the world was of real content, got rapidly bored, and quit about 5 hours later.

The 4 "Dungeons" were bullshit. Nobody who gave wind waker dungeons shit better be defending that crap.

You need monster parts to upgrade your armour sets - which give you various stat boosts and abilities. Shame if you missed out on that part.

The switch version at launch was dogshit that hit the teens in framerate and looked like they rubbed vaseline on your screen most the time.

Even after multiple patches it still can't even run at 30 fps, and pulls an average of 27 fps.

The pc release at its worst state was MASSIVELY better than the switch version in its best state. It was bullshit to even give the switch version at launch anything like that score.

DICE Awards are given out by developers, that was his point, since you were pretending that Nintendo is paying journos in real life, the only manufacturer who was proven to be paying journos is Sony

I never really felt I needed to do much crafting as there wasn't much in the game that posed enough of a challenge to warrant it.

being a jim sterling fanboy lmao

>BOTW, where players wind up feeling put out or frustrated by it
Why? Even on Master Mode I feel I have too many fucking weapons that I don't know what to do with. Disarming enemies isn't actually hard either.
>change play style to avoid the hassle
Shoot a few monkeys with some arrows then shove your sword into the rest, it's not rocket science.

Really? I just got bored because I was too powerful and purposely gimping myself would just make things tedious.

Most retarded post in this thread

It was fun

>ACfag
Lol

>posts saying that games shouldn't be challenging because challenge is problematic = fine
>guy who wants a little more challenge in games = retarded

hmmmm....

When combat really just becomes a resource cost analysis then combat that won't get you something of equal or greater value to the weapons you may lose in combat becomes an easy choice to just bypass altogether.

So, while the map is already mostly empty, you really lose incentive to engage in combat with anything that isn't equipped well itself.

Nintendo wanted weapons to be treated as a resource, that's the end result. People treat it like a resource.

>Yea Forums still SEETHING after two years
Botw really broke some minds

>retarded post by ACfag
>not retarded
Lmaooo

Sticker Star had the same attack resource issue that decentivized combat the same way.

I always thought it was interesting that two games within a few years from them made the same mistake.

>assassin's Creed brought up again for no reason

You guys are obsessed. It's not healthy.

Yeah, a very renewable resource at that. Use weaker weapons on weaker mobs or weakened strong enemies while saving your stronger gear for tougher fights. Then there's the ability to chug strength boosters to make combat even more of a chore. Maybe I'm just not anal about what I use because I know I'll get something to replace it regardless.

No, it's because people praise it as the second coming of christ when it isn't even the best Zelda game, or even in the top 3.

It's universally praised despite all the flaws and issues it has, yet by definition, a 10/10 game can't be severely flawed.

OOT is normie tier. Majora's Mask was the true kino.

Close the tab, Doug

>Doug
What?

what the fuck did i just read

Respect your superiors, cuckboi

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To sum it up.

>Nintendo fans hate any kind of challenge in their games
>this is why they attack people who want hard modes or smarter enemies, or anything like that

>tweet before BOTW even came out
hmmmm

ah yes, the twitter account handled by Namco's French PR

I know how the weapon balance works, I'm just stating that when weapons are a resource people are going to take it into account with how they play.

you are just responding to that by telling me that people take it into account with how they play.

Doesn't every Zelda game get unlimited praise and worshipped.

Riveting.

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>Namcos FRENCH(!) PR
My fucking sides if this is true

Would you fuck already ACfag? Get a job

Its might seem incredible how a game with a open world game with a terrible soundtrack can even reach the 90 score margin but then you grow up and realize that review scores don't matter.

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Yes, I know. Just something I've always felt as a non issue when compared to BoTW's other issues.

>>Nintendo fans hate any kind of challenge in their games
False
>>this is why they attack people who want hard modes or smarter enemies, or anything like that
Also false

>fr.bandainamcoent.eu/dark-souls/

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An issue is an issue.

not him, but I can't say anything about the constantly declining difficulty in Yoshi games without getting shit on by Nintendo fanboys

AMAZING

Then go ahead and ask for a little more challenge in a kirby thread or yoshi thread. Report back with your findings.

Yes you can

they've been taking notes on what NOT to do from nintendo, which is why they make masterpieces like bloodborne and sekiro instead of generic trash like botw.

You know that's irrelevant right? Miyazaki himself said Zelda is one of his greatest inspirations and that he was actually embarrassed when he found out his games were being compared to Zelda

What would asking those two extremely small fanbases prove?

Never have I been able to without somebody defending the difficulty and acting like it's too easy makes me retarded.

That's because you are retarded, Doug

You can ask any fanbase in Nintendo really. Those two are just the most prominent. the whole point is that the majority of modern Nintendo games are walking simulators, much like the movies that the fanbases make fun of so much.

>Nintendo fans don't like it when you ask for things to be more difficult
>No they don't
>These ones do
>No those don't count!

I like how people are giving you shit for it now in this thread and proving your point.

he wasn't embarrassed, he just felt unworthy of the comparison. The man's humble, but Dark Souls stands with a legacy of its own, and I wouldn't mind From getting a chance to make a Zelda game, especially since they made 3D Dot Game Heroes

you played games since they were horrible garbage, so no wonder

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I haven't read this before but I'd imagine so, because past zelda titles are revolutionary games. But nowadays, BOTW is being paraded as some sort of milestone in the industry when it clearly isn't. It's a fantastic and refined game, but it is not revolutionary in the slightest.

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>the whole point is that the majority of modern Nintendo games are walking simulators, much like the movies that the fanbases make fun of so much.
That wasn't the point though?

>minority represents majority
Please graduate highschool

why are you posting Bloodborne when the discussion is Dark Souls

Many developers have outrighted stated that BOTW is a revolutionary and amazing game. Your fat cheeto eating ass doesn't mean shit compared to the developers out there actually making games, you know?

dont you have a pong machine to go play or something?

Why is challenge looked down upon then?

don't you have another game to be mad about besides BOTW? it's been 2 years of your butthurt tears

What's so revolutionary about BOTW?

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It isn't

It's the only fun open-world game ever made

That begs the question why ask for difficulty in a game series never meant to be difficult to begin with? Kirby in general has always been designed for the young kids in mind and Yoshi's been following that route too. Thing is most Nintendo fans don't want either changed, because they like having games that don't require all that much thought to progress. Which isn't bad since not every game requires challenge to be entertaining.

>fun

>your weapon breaks after 3 hits

>basic combat

>fun

no.

Nintendo name
Nintendo money
Faggot agenda giving it the big thumbs up because Link is built like a twink and spends well over half the game crossdressing in a stripper outfit.

That's it.
That's all.
Did more the fuck up the minds of an entire generation then fucking SU.

>BOTW invented open world
>it's fun so therefore it's revolutionary
Delusional. A game that absorbs industry tropes, even if it's a refined and great game, will never set any milestone.
>revolutionary games
>in the 2010s
Come on now.

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Reminder that Yea Forums loves BOTW, and the seething is coming from a vocal minority of Snoyggers, Contrarians & Boomers

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>not every game needs to be challenge

Yikes

what universe are you in where zelda combat has ever been anything besides simple
the game is fun despite the combat, there's minimal hand-holding compared to every other game in the genre

>any time people think a nintendo thing is good, they're paid off
imagine being this schizophrenic

Nice strawman, I never said any of those things besides BOTW is fun
revolutionary doesn't require something to pioneer a new paradigm, in fact the word revolution has an Aristotelian link to a cyclical chain of creation and destruction

the chemistry engine

Honestly they don't. If you're over the age of 10 and you're playing Kirby then you definitely aren't playing for challenge, that just goes without saying. What about games like Sims? Is that series supposed to be challenging?

>sample size of only 500 voters
>we're supposed to be surprised that nintendo games get rated highly on nintendogaf
yikes!

So which one am I to believe?

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That it taught everyone you don't need to clutter your open world games with icons and EXP bars, but instead encourage exploration through excellent great map design via eye-catching landmarks, genuinely interesting and fun discoveries, and movement that simply feels wonderful enough to make you want to simply run around.

Yea Forums has awful, awful taste.

undertale in a top 100 is proof of this

No different then the 2008 one that only had 500 voters

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weird but I haven't seen one of these in a while, I also suppose that I haven't been here for a while either. People gonna like what they like.

Arthur's tale is one of the best stories ever told in any medium

I didn't like it, but there's a reason of why the world is empty: Ganon somewhat won and fucked every city and construction in the world. I just want a more "classic" experience, just like ocarina, Majora's or twilight princess. It would be cool if next game still remains as a non hand holding experience but with actual cities and it's charming world zones and more complex dungeons.

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BotW is not a 10/10 but OoT is also not better. I'd score them about the same for different reasons.

because there are some extremely broken weapons that is extremely easy to farm

> BBBUT NINTENDOGAF
Cope

I wouldn't mind it being open world if that open world has more in it, along with a few of the things you say here. Durability system could use an overhaul, like, ways to get weapons through monetary means, and ways for weapon upkeep through monetary means, and many other things that make sense.

breakable weapons is the worst idea in the game.

>HEY LETS INVENT A SYSTEM THAT DISCOURAGES THE PLAYER FROM FIGHTING

why break my weapons if I need them for an actual, important area.

i don't want more garbage handholding like twilight princess. no more of that shit ever again in my zelda games please

>sonygro is so buttblasted he has to falseflag as an OoT fan

pathetic faggot

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No game in existence is good unless it has challenge. No exceptions. Go back to tumblr if you want a "comfy" experience.

The weapon system and dungeons were shit, but it was artsy and """brave""" with its open world and solid sound design. I would still say it's the best open world game I've ever played, but that's because most open world games suck dick (and no, Deus Ex and similar RPGs don't count).

Solid 7/10 from me, which translates into a 9-10/10 to most retard publications that hyperinflate their scores.

BOTW is great game, but are people genuinely claiming it as a revolutionary game? What is this fucking delusion.

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you can go back to r*ddit if you believe that, kiddo

they don't count just because they don't fit your logic? one can make a compelling argument about each hub area in deus ex basically being open world.

Nintendo tranny is legit have brain problem.

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Good thing BotW is challenging

R*ddit hates challenging games too. They think they're "not inclusive enough".

lol hahaha

>muh younger self
Makes sense coming from a nintenbabby. I pay for my games now faggot, I don’t have mommy buy me a game to play until I lose interest in 2 hours and cry for more. Seriously though, when the next generation of kids grows up, they’re going to be fucking pissed shit games like this were allowed to make money because of retarded console bullshit. Kids don’t even Bing Bing wahoo anymore. It’s all adult manbabys buying it up and posting on social media for their other incel söy friends.

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>BOTW is challenging
>which is why game journos all loved it, despite angrily hating anything that doesn't hold their hand

See: the praise they give various sony titles.

it comes from nintendo-only fans who don't play other games, and thus skipped out on all the countless other generic open world meme games that botw ripped off.

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>No game in existence is good unless it has challenge. No exceptions
The hell kind of projection is that? Games don't need to be challenging to be fun. As long as you're enjoying yourself that's all that matters. I didn't know playing Dragon's Dogma one moment then playing Flower the next qualified me for tumblr.

I mean they kinda tried to make it so there weren't any weapons you had to have in order to win, there were just different tiers, I do find the system annoying though. With how fragile everything seems to be there should be a weapon crafting system or repair system you can do at campfires or on the fly at some point when you have the proper item or something. As is I just power up the MS as soon as possible and just make a pitstop at the pedestal if it's low.

Because this isnt even an argument you screeching faggot. I wasn't arguing about anything.

>Gone Home is fun because challenge is toxic and ruins the medium
>games don't need any obstacles or anything that requires thought

I see.

how do you even know that? oh wait you're a retarded redditor yourself. back to r*ddit faggot

>muh nintendo boogeyman
Your father Neil druckmann loved BOTW. Get a clue retarded sonygro

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it's challenging when you first play, but yeah no it's easy once you understand what you're doing and how to do it. You can beat the lynel on the plateau before you ever leave the plateau in master mode, you just need to know what you're doing and be competent enough at it.

Next game will be better. If they use the same engine we'll get a similar open world experience, but without the "LMAO GANON DESTROYED THE WORLD SO IT'S EMPTY AND THERE ARE NO CITIES OR DUNGEONS" excuse.

No you don't since you don't even possess proper reading comprehension skills.

Just peeping this thread from the front page and it's ridiculous how much of this argument you're basically making up. It's like there's two different comments, the one the guy makes and the one you imagine in your head. I highly encourage the other guy to stop posting.

Is difficulty automatically a positive quality in a game? Does a lack make it a non-game? What about The Sims? Animal Crossing? Stardew Valley? Do these not count as games

Mental gymnastics

I'm not budging form this. Without challenge a game is nothing but a walking simulator.

>Is difficulty automatically a positive quality in a game?
Yes

>Does a lack make it a non-game?
Yes.

>What about The Sims? Animal Crossing? Stardew Valley? Do these not count as games
All cinematic movie shit. No challenge = no game.