Is there a single WWII video game where Italy is the bad guy?

Wasn't there a Sniper Elite game set in Italy?

Tons of strategy games.

Wolfenstein the new order (colosus is trash yada yada)

Turning Point: Fall of Liberty (kind of just bad)

Italians were too incompetent to be the bad guys. They also don't really have the same level of war crimes the Japanese and Germans do.

they backstabbed the heroes though

Medal of Honor and that Call of Duty with North Africa had Italians and Vichy French for that matter

I know there was one in the African campaign, but you fight the German Afrika Korps instead.

>Best food
>best clothes
>home of the best empire of history
>best cars
>best culture
>best old cities
>bets monuments
>best cathedrals
>homebase of the best religion
>best football players
>best world war allies
>best internet connection on average
>Salvini removing all immigrants

Have you taken the italian pill yet Yea Forums ?

Road to Fiddler's Green
1942: The Road to Rome

Yes. The latest one, Sniper Elite 4 is set in WWII era Italy. Really a nice feature of the SNiper Elite Series is that they bring the game to theaters not seen elsewhere - SE1 is a crappy version of SE2 both in Germany. SE3 is the Afrika Corps campaign, SE4 is Italy. And of course Nazi Zombie Trilogy is a side story

Yes but you’re shooting German soldiers

I noticed you didn't say anything about the women.

>best internet connection on average
doesn't romania have the best internet? or at least bucharest

Hows that corruption and mafia treating ya there?

the interesting bits involving italy were when they fucked up and got Germany involved anyway.

That's a Hollywood myth. Most of the Mafia presence in America were Jews.

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>implying

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warioware

Pacific when?

>Spagthetti Intermet Defence Force
hey don gianni

You can take any game where the enemies are brownskin and pretend they're Italians. Resident Evil 4, some of the gangs in GTA 3. Shitskins are shitskins are shitskins man

>Italy somehow has the highest average IQ of any Western nation
wew

Maybe their next game perhaps? Though honestly all Sniper Elite have pretty much better in the Western campaign, so its more likely they go to Russia (unless there was russia in SE2, I can't remember).

They could probably make a whole game about Eastern campaign island hopping, China/Manchuquo, Guam/Philippines, and all that not to mention Japan itself.

If you want alternate WW2 settings, you need to dabble into tabletop gaming more than vidya. For some reasons, video game devs are afraid of doing anything with WW2 unless the game is called Wolfenstein.

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>this is what retarded footfags unironically believe

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Freedom Force vs. the Third Reich is probably the only WWII game where you fight Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, AND Fascist Italy.

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pizzapasta here
whoy would you fight the memes instead of the real deal?

I like Italy

Looks like an ayy lmao in a human skin suit.

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I mean I'm not really a Sniper Elite fan but I just want to get to shoot Jap planes off the sky and probably flamethrower backpacks as well

Call of Duty: Big Red One had a story where you fought against the Italians and even had Italian weapons like the Breda LMG and the Carcano rifle.

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bullshit. and if it's true then it's proably cheating

Wtf
Italians are fucking brainlets

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I wish a game tried to potray what the Nazis winning would be like realistically instead of stupid Wolfenstein invincible 6 million year reich powered by jew technology bullshit

Italy is the bad guy in real world history
>riveted tanks
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Ital, Ital.

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>Salvini removing all immigrants
explain

They'll inevitably lose since they're trapped between a rock and a hard place, unless some alternate history mumbo jumbo makes Britain surrender or Stalin buddying up with Hitler

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Sono un gay frocio amante del cazzo, chiamatemi al 34923901190 x info

France, you mean?

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Italians had bad morale since Mussolini's decision to join the war wasn't popular and their equipment and vehicles apart from planes were literal shit compared to British despite being plenty.

It was literally impossible to win.

delete yourself you stupid fucking FROG
LEARN TO PLAY MH

Gib milkies

Italy should stay neutral

Get your flag out of your ass and read some books, Fabrizzio

To be honest this is what the whole WW1 looked like

Italy was also weakened from fighting 3 wars/conflicts prior to ww2

The only way the Nazis could ever win is with straight bullshit. Hitler was always going to invade russia, judeo-bolshevism was his #1 enemy as per Mein Kamphf. A sensible German government at the time would have never gone to war at all. There is no permutation of Nazi Germany winning the war sensibly/logically.

Just look at the oil situation

What did Italy even do during WWII?

Even invading Russia could have been done more sensibly though. Millions of Ukrainians could have seen the Germans as liberators from the Soviet yolk if the Germans weren't on a genocidal mission.

Invade Ethiopia, and expand into the Balkans/North Africa. They weren't doing as successful as they hoped in Greece or North Africa, called for German assistance, and the rest is history.

Basically nothing while being extremely loud while at it.

On top of that some people feel that Stalin for some reason wouldn't have attacked Germany if Hitler didn't launch an invasion which makes no sense because Stalin wasn't going to sit idly by and watch a nation lead by a party who directly opposes his communist ideology become a super power right on his door step.

>directly opposes
you mean directly competes

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Unironically my favourite level, that and the early Vichy French stuff since you're not stuck with the usual MP40/Kar98k spam and can use some unique weapons. Seem to recall enjoying the Carcano reload animation as a kid.

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>tfw Brooklyn gets killed just before the end of the game.

Italy was the UK of the axis. Useless and on survival mode.

CoD2 had a UK Africa campaign against Italy, I think.

That's the better word for it, yes.
>Stalin sees Germany sweeping across western Europe
>England and France just got btfo and France surrenders
>Germany grows stronger
>Stalin KNOWS the Nazis hate communism
>Surprisingly they haven't made a move on him yet
>"Hmm, Should I be concerned?... Nah." - Stalin

Their effectively bloodless coup in Albania is probably the most impressive thing they did in that time frame, but it's fucking Albania.

Cope

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No, Nazism's defining work (mein kamph) directly broclaims communism as the biggest enemy of all to Nazism (Judeo-Bolshevism to be specific).

Only northern Italy does.

Are there any video games or history books where the germans win?

>desperate shitskin

>regionalism still exists in italy
when will this bullshit end?

>he supports the original scam artist capital

Please go to a real country instead of this abomination of city states

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Is this the italian version of the chinese pasta? kek

That's not entirely fair, a lot of Italian sources say the Germans gave them bad intel all the fucking time.

Stalin had no real ideological drive to invade, he'd settled on the principal of "socialism in one country" and his ambition only extended to the borders of the Russian Empire. He owned the oil that Nazi Germany was literally dependant on as well, so he had no real incentive to attack, he had incentive to achieve strategic depth (which he did) and just keep on building up Soviet industry. Hitler had ALL the incentive to attack. (and a bad reading on what happened during the winter war, sure they lost a LOT... the red army never once felt like it was about to hit breaking point)

has Italy become "France-ified" yet?

>Collectivist society
>Based on a cult of personality
>No political freedom
>No freedom of expression
>"Fighting" for the wealth and good of the VOLK/ WORKERS (It's the same class)
>Agianst our greatest enemy the BOURGEOIS/JUDEN(Still the same class, you should read about communist antisemitism)
>We gonna spread our ideology trough violence and propaganda all over the world, it's inevitable bro
>We gonna keep the masses chill and inoffensive, but hey, the elite in the ruling party should live like kings. Even better than kings, GODS.

The only difference that separates communism and National SOCIALISM is that Hitler promised bread and the volk got bread. Not his merit, german engineering.

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fucking hell he's saying just jiggle everything so the Nazi's did win and then do a realistic potrayal of that world like "Fatherland" instead of gayass wolfenstine "ve're breeding der ubermenchs zombie soldier yaya" dogwank we always get.

When we build a wall from Padania in giù

yeah, they just removed my pasta license because I read that

Italians are always bad because they have facist tendencies.

Well, what happened to the Soviet Union and the entire Eastern Bloc? It would probably look like that but to the entirety of western Europe as well.

There's no way the Nazi's would have won unless they won. Far far FAR stranger things have happened in history and the claim the Nazi's could have never won is simply an attempt to crush stormfag ideology by claiming Hitler and the Nazi's were lunatics. I'm not a Nazi but this is the truth of all of history. No one wins unless they won and loses unless they lost. Any conjecture otherwise is literally pointless and ALWAY politically motivated. "but what if Africa wasn't colonsised etc etc"

forgot pic

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Hey, I never said Hitler wasn't retarded. Just that the work that is the foundation for Nazism as a political theory declares a hatred for commies.

The issue is you really can't jiggle events to keep it plausible. There is no grounded variation of events that ends in a Nazi victory.

wtf, an Alfa Sud just parked outside my house, and two guys with moustache and unbottoned shirts are watching my window.
What to do?

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AAAAH, HELP ME ADOLF

ADOLF ARE YOU SEEING THIS MERDA

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Just started watching Fatherland. Hitler wanting all of Europe under an empire sounds sketchy already. If I remember correctly he was only interested in places that "traditionally belonged to germans"

there's plenty of ways you can tweak history to make it plausible. The British/ USA were more sympathetic to fascism, the winter wasn't that bad in Russia that year. Some battles had slightly different outcomes etc etc. it's very very easy to write "plausible" alternative history.

Start cooking spaghetti or a pizza and invite them to eat with you to assert your food tastes

The only thing that separates socialism and national socialism is literally everything. For starters the name national socialism was literally a smokescreen. Second, the cult of personality was a stalin thing, Lenin specifically avoided this and went about creating de-centralised soviet republics with extra protections for minority rights and women's rights. The only thing he didn't do was expand freedom of the press. Which there's a good reason for, he was at fucking war. Why the FUCK would he sit around and let people print propaganda for Denikin and Kolchak? western democracies have done the same and would have done the same.

The idea of equating the fight against capital imperialism that socialists talk about and nazis going "actually fuck jews" is laughable, especially because they targeted a whole lot of people. However yes, the communists have historically had a lot of anti-Semitism. Anyone that disagrees is disingenuous.

Stalin literally opposed that concept, the idea of a constant effort to emancipate the workers all over the world was Trotsky's thing, and anyone that says Trotsky was a totalitarian is a fucking moron.

And the masses did see huge increase in living standards under the soviets, continuously, even under Stalin, the average real wage in the USSR was far higher than in western Europe (below the US though) And when the Bolsheviks first took over they mandated weekends as time off. Though during the civil war Moscow and Petrograd workers did often volunteer (and yes, actually volunteer, there was a ton of drive to beat the whites in the red heartlands) to work during them.

all the rest of Europe would have been vassal states with puppet governments there's no way around that. That been the goal of every dictator who went for the European Gold Medal. Napoleon did it by making his extended family members and favourite marshals into Kings (a few of whose dynasties are still royal today).

Assassin's Creed II you fight Italians

Any WWII games where you get to play as the good guys?

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He planned to re-incorporate Germanic lands into the Reich and keep other European nation states in line via puppets.

Trst je naš

maybe there's no super realistic version of events that keeps it plausable but there are plenty that are realistic enough without resorting to Nazi moonbases

First Company of Heroes with it's expansions. Also you can tell from it's equipment that one faction (Panzer Elite) is literally SS division but of course it isn't referred to as such.

>"I think I might actually make it home from this lousy war."

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italy had zero (0) tanks in ww2, also athe aircraft were inferior to the brits ones. manpower is not relevant in a desert war
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Savoia_Cavalleria_at_Izbushensky

Wrong World War.

I want a ww2 game where Italy wins single handedly.

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Empire Earth

That's pretty doable in HOI4

What would Yea Forums under Nazi rule be like?

ask them to avvitare a lampadina

>Operation Compass
>600 tanks and tankettes

>0 tanks

The russian invasion failed because the Nazi command tried to apply a plan that worked on a small scale to something orders of magnitude larger, and just assuming it would work. With no consideratiom for things like "hey, who is gonna work the factories in 6 weeks if thigs slow at all because we drafted every able bodied man"

Changing battle pitcomes still requires you to give a good reason why things went differently. A battle is very rarely eon in a single moment, and is a snowballing of a thousand decidions made before it even starts.

Even the mildest US still would support political allies, or get involved in the war when Japan declares war on the US.

I'm in the middle of a HOI4 game right now where I invaded France in '36, and destroyed the British Fleet by '40.

Nonexistent. No freedom of expression, Yea Forums is too high of a risk to the state.

fuck

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>what would a place people can anonymously congregate be like under a party which banned organisation of any sort without party involvement.

STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING AUTIST GERMANY ONCE LITERALLY WON A WAR BECAUSE THE RUSSIAN KING DIED AND THE NEW KING WAS SUCH A GERMANOHPILE HE MARCHED HIS TROOPS HOME STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED YOU AUTISTIC FUCK

No degenerate western games allowed, only glorious honorary aryan games.

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JAPANESE AND EUROPEAN GAME GOOD
AMERICAN GAME BAD

Oh wait, it is Yea Forums!

600 tanks and tankettes equal a single P43 and 599 lightly armored jeeps
Have you ever seen an Italian tank?
Neither we did.

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italian """""medium""""" and """""""heavy""""""""" tanks were comparable to the brits' light, aka thing used for recon and support and not able to engage an armored battle

>letting autistic germans dictate what is/isn't degenerate
You'd be considered a degenerate for posting on here, let alone that bastardized image.

The correct answer is that there is none

The funny answer is that the maximum contrarianism of Yea Forums results in daily threads espousing the virtues of democracy and judiasm as pure and blessed while some confused fuck just wants to talk about holocauster tycoon or something.

You would need to rewrite the last 20 years of history between both countries to get anything like that.

The red army would not break, the only reason it had so many losses early on was because commanders were so casual about how much strategic depth they had that they didn't fight when things got tough. That's why Stalin put in order 227. To stop field officers telling people to pull back casually.

Constantly open new fronts, get their ass kicked in by minor powers and need the Germans to save them.

samurai and space nazi games out the ass with italian prof. layton puzzle games

Literally every thread is bait made by SS Agents that are competing to see how many traitors they can find and imprison.

it's almost like you totally missed the point of the first post in this thread and are simply one of those desperate IDEOLOGICALLY motivated /his/ posters i mentioned who insist Germany could have never won WW2 because you don't like /pol/....

Are there any WWII games where the Allies win but the Allies are fascist?

Tankettes aren't real tanks, Luigi

Even in the best case scenario for the nazis. The US still made the bomb, and the Nazis had literally 1 person who had any chance of figuring out how it even worked. And he claimed to have been sabotaging the project from the start.

We dunno if that's just him covering for not figuring it out, but he was the only person in Germany that was even really ALLOWED to work in that field... and it was all because he went to school with Himmler and his mum called Himmler's mum and asked her to ask Himmler to give him a break.

Anime is a beacon of purity and beauty in a world of shit.

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>2 years later
>still fighting mostly italians

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Gestapo fool. SS weren't secret agents

Mafia II had a short bit of WWII in Italy but I wouldn't recommend the game.

The fact that Italians had obsolete tanks doesn't mean they never had any, user.

why is italy so shit?
Couldn't even hold the line for mein fuhrer

>and that's a good thing!

You gotta realise how dysfunctional Nazi Germany was on a lot of levels. Like, if you start suggesting things like "what if the reds weren't committed to the soviet union, what if the US didn't get involved in any way at all" you're in fantasy land already.

this but unironically

My B

I'm not into Anime. However, I'm interested on why you believe that to be so, give me a rundown.

your tankie fuelled autism is getting absurd at this point. So i want to make a realistic game where Germany won and thats the irl version

No problem now the nazis did work on nuclear bombs more thoroughy. See? It was that easy. No need for wolfenstine batshittery. THat a problem? Ok i just IGNORE the atomic bomb and literally every other ACKCHUALLY you have come up with. I then make the world look realistic.

you literally have autism don't you? READ THE ORIGINAL POST

>AI autoresolves the fight

Even if they eke out a few more wins, the oil/manufacturing situation is so fucked that victory is just not feasible. The allies had all the oil you could dream of.

Yeah, the Germans who came to their aid got btfo as well

holy fuck you must be trolling me at this point

>now the nazis did work on nuclear bombs more thoroughy. See?

How do they make that fit with their ideology? their ideology demanded the eradication of "Jewish Science" which that was a part of. Read Deutsche Physik even a guy who was considered one of the most Aryan people in the Reich couldn't get the party to even consider accepting it. Hell even better, look up Welteislehre. This is how anti-science and absolutely insane things were in the Reich. That was ideological, they would need to stop being Nazis to not do this.

Hitler was personally dismissive of nuclear science as Jewish science. To grant the Nazis nukes would require them to not be Naxis in the first place.

Panzer general, but only if you are really good.

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Alright fine you fucking win! There will never be a realistic feeling "what if the nazi's won" game because of the reasons you just mentioned. Because of what you have poted every game where the nazi's continue past WW2 they must all be riding on werwolves and flying around in UFO's. Congratulations have a picture of yourself as your reward.

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Even if they weren't they may as well be. The one thing that truly annoys me is how many people think the Nazis were super pro science when they were MASSIVELY anti-science.

If you wanna make a game the Nazis win in, you can't make it realistic, just make it "plausible sounding" like, the generals listened to Hitler and pushed hard in the south in Russia and this meant they got enough oil to drag the war out and some issue made d-day into a catastrophe due to poor naval manoeuvring or something.

It's unrealistic, but fuck it I can roll.

We miss you DVCE

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bro, they were literally leaded by a bunch of schizophrenics hooked on pervitin (meth) in a fight vs every other major power. i doubt even werewolves would've been enough

There is also the marketting appeal of Nazi super science. The stupid shit they dreamed of lends itself to videogames nice and neatly as setpieces. See: how much people latched onto things like Nazi Zombies.

Even the most "grounded" works where the Nazis win skip all real attempts to justify it because any actual justification is impossible.

I think personally, the best ones don't try to justify it, it just happened. You don't know why, you don't need to know why.

Medal of honor airborne
hidden and dangerous2 (maybe first one too)

READ THE ACTUAL FUCKING WORDS WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL POST WE ARE RESPONDING TO:

>I wish a game tried to potray what the Nazis winning would be like realistically instead of stupid Wolfenstein invincible 6 million year reich powered by jew technology bullshit

HE WANT TO PLAY. IN A WORLD. WHERE THE NAZI'S HAVE WON WW2 FOR WHATEVER REASON. WITHOUT IT BEING LUDICROUS SCIENCE FICTION. HE DOESN'T MIND IT BEING ALTERNATIVE HISTORY. HE JUST DOESN'T WANT TO FIGHT FUCKING MECHAHITLERS CLONE AS THE FINAL BOSS YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD!!!!!

I have been on this site for years and not posted at anyone as absolutely spergingly autitstic as you. Its like you're ignoring every fucking thing that is said to you as you read off a pre written list of tankie bullshit about how irl the war couldn't have been won for Germany. RESPOND TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DISCUSSED YOU BRAIN DAMAGED JIZZWIT

Don't try to justify it then. Simple. Just say the nazis won. You CANNOT justify it in a realistic way.

Exactly my reasoning as well user.

what if there was an earthquake when stalin, churchill and Roosevelt were all sat in the same room and the ceiling caved in and crushed them and their underlings were so caught up in infighting it changed the outcome of the war majorly....

Done. NEXT!

The man in the high castle just goes "it happened, deal nerd" I know the show (which is very good imo) does suggest they got the nukes working somehow, and well the whole thing still accepts "nazi superscience" as a meme.

But, and this is my actual favourite part of any althis nazi thing. At the end of season 2 of the show, they had a video of a US test of an atomic bomb scaring the shit out of the Nazis who's handicapped scientists had barely made Hiroshima/Nagasaki tier bombs by the 60s shit themselves, and because of that not declare war on Japan. That was fucking BRILLIANT conceptually.

All 3 had nearly no impact on war fighting. Hell killing Churchill probably helps. He was a detriment after the first 30 minutes.

>Update
but in the alternative universe i just posited their deaths does cause the Nazi's to win

Then why explain it rather than just telling us "okay, the Nazis won, lets go"?

because good in game universes provide some degree of explanation instead of doing that you mong

whiter than you sandnigger

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They were the ONLY real fascists ffs... the Germans were national SOCIALISTS

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Do they? why? because you think that way? mystery has a value unto itself.

that was my post you non white nigger

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>pic related, the last picture of user before he an heroed as the realisation that no-one else in the entire world cares as much about his tankie autism as he does closed in
(2019, decolourised)

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Why the fuck do you keep calling me a tankie anyway? seriously, it's weird.

Is it not more fun to think and come up with your own ideas about why the nazis, given whatever conditions they have in the scenario you're in, won?

>AHHH GERMANY HELP MEEEEE

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Italian_War

>you see Hitler never could have won the war according to all the arbitrary rules of history that i have decided upon. If we totally ignore the entire genre of alternative history doing a fantastic job of making different outcomes through history seeming as least reaslistic as fiction, however unlikely they actually may have been. So you see if all that is accepted then there is no way you could make a "livable" feeling alternative history game that anyone would want to play...........

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>>Best food
Japan
>>best clothes
South Korea
>>home of the best empire of history
China/Mongolia
>>best cars
German
>>best culture
British
>>best old cities
China
>>bets monuments
France
>>best cathedrals
France also
>>homebase of the best religion
All religions are shit
>>best football players
Brasil
>>best world war allies
Japan lasted the longest
>>best internet connection on average
Talk about cherry picking
>>Salvini removing all immigrants
Plenty of countries have anti immigrant politicians

>150,000 soldiers
>only 1,600 guns

What the fuck

Mein user..............Mein user there are many people out there who simply don't care about your autistic ramblings in which you seem determined to prove that such a game could not be made and be enjoyed. In fact you are absolutely in a tiny minority and you're coming across as slightly unhinged at this point

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it's obviuosly artillery guns, you dum dum

lol, I recommend like, actually giving a shit about the topic you're taking about.

guns usually means like, anti-tank, support, etc. "Big guns" would be a better term. Like cannons basically.

*user takes of his spectacles, his hands shaking with rage*

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>strength 331 aircraft
>lost 564 aircraft
fucking lol

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>Best war allies
Maybe for the allies, Hitler literally said that the Italians would have helped them more by not joining the war, mind you that falls into the
>Hitler
>Good at war in any way

>Alfa Sud
Surprised they made it to your house at all desu

Hitler was actually the only reason it went well at all.

>beautiful, feminine women
>masculine men (more so in old anime)
>beautiful art
>2d animation is just cool, much better than soulless 3d shit
>good music
>wholesome
>fun
>has soul and love put into it
>isn't filled with leftist propaganda
>industry isn't filled with child molesters like western media
>no political correctness shit
>doesn't glorify shitskin monkey people, brown characters are basically japs with a tan
>homos are mostly treated as a joke
>positive depictions of the Axis powers

Anime and Jap games are good and traditionally beautiful art, western media has turned increasingly into ugly, degenerate modernist trash.

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Kys mutt

............

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>literally created the word "Fascist"
>not bad guys

kek

>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee but i said the history would have to be TOO alternative reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee STALIN OR SOMETHING WHO GIVES A FUCK reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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whiter than you spicnigger

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Actually I should expand on this. There was a general... Manstien? I think, with designs like Hitler's, but he wasn't considered really, then Hitler met him and his plan and Hitler's were super similar, they riffed off each other and then the reason that the invasion of France worked at all came out of it. The French did not think the Germans would push their tanks that far forwards, by conventional military wisdom, it was insane.

Similar in the east, too many of his Generals REALLY wanted to go attack Moscow when attacking Moscow didn't matter, only taking oil fields did.

>this kills the american ship

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fuck off kike

Was it autism?

t. retard who only knows about the world from his booger-ridden atlas

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee my master crafted posts reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemy encyclopedic knowledge of obscure Nazi government ministries and their policies reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Look at the alt history works where the nazis win that DO exist. All of them either give up trying to make it plausible to focus on the aftereffects (see: Turning Point: Fall of Liberty, Man in the High Castle) OR resort to superscience (Wolfenstein).

People have tried what you wanted and comcluded that cheating is the only viable way to do it.

>Ignoring V1 rockets and "Jew"-clear weapons
>Pulled troops away from Stalingrad to attack Kiev

As for the fall of France it was because France didn't fortify Belgium, just left them to fall like we did with Poland,which made it easy for Germany to flank them

>FASCISM BAD

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>France didn't fortify Belgium

I mean, Belgium was kinda like "FUCK OFF FRANCE YOU ARE NOT MAKING US YOUR BATTLEFIELD"

And c'mon, Haldr and other generals wanted to do fucking stupid shit.

>Swimming towards a ship to blow it up
Take it Baby!
I'm there!
Where's the party?

My sides thats some high effort shitposting.

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>A myth
>what's sicily

*rattles*

cope you fat fuck

no he's not joking most American mobster groups were Jewish but obviously Hollywood doesn't like to focus on that

Any WW2 game to include Italy is smart enough to ignore the moral qualms of it all.

>Imfucking plying that Chief Spagattio wasn't literally the FIRST aggressor of WWII when he invaded Ethiopia in 1935 and showed off to the rest of the world that the League of Nations wasn't and couldn't do shit to protect even MEMBER nations.

Granted, if the League had actually squared up and Britain or France even dedicated a couple of destroyers to the Italian coast in the mid 30s maybe WWII could have been largely averted.

WHEN-A DA MAN WITH DA RIFLE GETS A-KILLED DA MAN FOLLOWING PICKS UP DA RIFLE AND A-SHOOTS

"Oink oink motherfucker"

Italians are literally the laughing stock of WW2. No country failed as hard.

Italy was literally useless in ww2

just do the Greek Italian war and you even get a Germany wins end.

I think that's kinda optimistic, both countries were very much in that state of not wanting to risk another war unless it was vital, and no one gave a shit about africa. Same with China really. They're too foreign.

best fighter plane of ww2 was from italy you shitskin

must have been you seen the state of this thread?

>HURRE DURRE HURRA DURRA!!!!
>ITALY BACKSTABBED THEIR ALLIES LOOOOLZZ LMRRMFFLAGLAAOOO EPIC FUCKING VICTORY ROYALE!1!1!
>implying the communists didn't just take over the country, lynch mussolini and give free passage to the soon-to-be-mutt troops
I fucking hate this place, and all those inbred armchair historians.
Never forget.

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France

I've tried to only be factual when I post :

Mussolini was a brainlet and sent people to war with guns that were already outdated during the first WW

cool didn't know the spitfire was Italian

spic

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Nigga, Mussolini was removed from power by his own Grand Council of Fascism and there were obvious and outspoken anti-German elements within his government and country that had nothing to do with communism.

also:

>best girls
>best water pumps
>best shoes

Prove it faggot

Well Battlefield v tried to do something different and you saw the fan reaction. MAH HISTORIC ACCURACY!

lol if Britain and France didnt intervene in the spanish civil war then why would the intervene in a war further away against uncivilized africans

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>what are partisans

you're talking completely across purposes to the other user. Listening but not truly comprehending and then continuing to talk about what you wanted to talk about is a big sign of autism (literally)

Hot take: they did not go far enough (hear me out)

If the game presented itself as "wacky war 2" with the absurd shit being given the spotlight and it being made clear this is alt history, the game would gave gone over better. By instead presenting itself as "this is the real truth" (in cases where it demonstrably was not), DICE shot itself in the foot.

Probably... shit would have likely kicked off anyway with another explosion in the Balkans with Germany/Russian arguing about who gets what and why.

A large part probably comes nobody seeing through the bluster to realize just how weak Italy really was. Granted, an ideal 'police operation' would have never involved any landing, but just a bit of blockadery, a touch of coastal bombardment here and there to make Italy come back to the bargaining table.

Probably take Sicily away for good measure... and limes.

Are you implying King Victor Emmanuel III and foreign minister Galeazzo Ciano were communist partisans?

kek, this shit never even took part in any major battles

He could have a coherent position. I know that's a lot to ask sometimes but still.

eh, it's not worth it in the mentality of regular people though. No matter what you might want, WW1 is too fresh, no one wants that risk.

yes.
comunisti, comunisti everywhere.

now that the dust has settled, can we agree that mussolini was a brainlet and the whole point of fascism was selling out to the industrialists?
also, italy should either split or let us pureblood lagoon jews rule it, it's clear that piedmont-lombards rule failed and mafiosi terroni + cucked central italy is even worse

Italians are the enemies on some levels of the medal of honor allied assault breakthrough expansion and in the first level of medal of honor airborne

Mussolini was anything but a brainlet, but he let himself get lead astray by Georges Sorel

better than shitfires at least

berlu, torna a scoparti una minorenne e lascia politica e storia ai non senili

Sure, nevermind that the entire country was rallied to bloody war against Austrians and Germans just 2 decades prior.

>Wears the wrong trousers
>Dies
Lmao

Vorrei une billete

Hey at least Italians lucked out the most from the Axis in terms of "making up for the past" after the war.

ammazzati, comunistello del cazzo.
partisano infame per te ci son le lame.
RITORNEREMO.

>Best food
Sweden
>best clothes
Norway
>home of the best empire of history
British Empire
>best cars
USA
>best culture
Finland
>best old cities
Belgium
>bets monuments
Japan
>best cathedrals
France or Spain
>homebase of the best religion
Japan
>best football players
Football is for cucks.
But that would be Germany. Formerly Brazil.
>best world war allies
When you have no great victories of your own.
>best internet connection on average
Objectively South-Korea, Norway and Sweden.
Italy is at #61 in avg internet connection speeds.
Even Kenya tops Italy in this category.

t: fingol

Well, he did some brainlet shit, yeah, I can't dispute that. But he was on top of himself... just that what he thought was fucking wild.

Yes of course it's better than the plane that destroyed the Luftwaffe and the Italian Airforce. I'd expect nothing else from a dumb greaseball

>guarda mamma! faccio come il nonno!

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whiter than you amerispic

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They spent most of the war fighting only Austria, who occupied a decent amount of Northern Italy until 1866, and Venice until 1870
Not to mention that they a coupl of years of WW1 not choosing a side, then another year getting bodied by Austria.

>Best football players
Remind me where you were in the Wolrd Cup last year
Remind me how many of your sides are in the Champion's League quarter finals?

>Germany
>Football
They've been shit since the 7-1 match

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Sure Mario, you're sooo white

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my sides

The position he was holding was consistent from the very first thread - Some anons thought a alterntaive History where WW2 was won by the axis would be a cool world to play in. Particularly if it was realistic (i'm guessing they basically wanted the irl cold war but with nazi's) and you went a bit overboard explaining how this simply couldn't be possible at all. Maybe it couldn't have been but thats entirely completely missing the point of what was being discussed

>They've been shit since the 7-1 match
I don't watch filmball.

>hurr durr mussolini a testa in giù xddd
la gente come te sarà la prima a venir fucilata.

more than you at least

enjoy your demographic demise

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Like Austria and the Japs, they managed to convince the world they weren't the bad guys.
So no.

I wasn't in any previous threads. Though as I said a few times... why not just, not explain it? you don't need to.

non preocuparti che abbiamo abbastanza piazzali per tutti voi

*ahem*
fanculo i negri
fanculo i rom
fanculo i crucchi
fanculo i cugini frociotti
fanculo l'europa
fanculo gli ameriCANI
ma soprattutto
fanculo i terroni

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porco dio ti sfondo la faccia di schiaffi

wew lad

porca troia

fanculo farfalle
fanculo canneloni
fanculo tagliatelle
fanculo fusilli
fanculo penne

non basato
ma rossopillato

I wish there was a WWII FPS or TPS, that has campaigns for USA, UK, USSR, Australia, French Resistance, Germany, Italy, Japan, and China. And feature theaters in places like North Africa, Burma, and Guadalcanal. Heck, even make it a squadron game like how Payday is. What's the closest thing we have to an ambitious project like that?

Mediterranean food is the worst in the civilized world. Don't even need to read the rest of your list.

VELINEEEE

>t.burger

world building is important user. Most peopel don't know 1/10th of 1/10th of what you know about ww2 so to them any old explanation about how the Naiz's won would do fine for them. Even if it was something as simple as "the nazi's got the bomb first". For most people that would do and it would actually add a great deal of believeability, however ironic you find that. This has nothing to do with any previous threads this is the discussion that just happened in this thread. Is english your second language perhaps?

>Though during the civil war Moscow and Petrograd workers did often volunteer (and yes, actually volunteer, there was a ton of drive to beat the whites in the red heartlands) to work during them.
>And the masses did see huge increase in living standards under the soviets
>the average real wage in the USSR was far higher than in western Europe

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lui carino

AYY

t. ragazzosoya who eats pineapple pizza

faccio judo da quando avevo 6 anni, devi solo provarci frocio represso

Mussolini was based and there's a reason he and italy arent demonized. There's still huge gatherings and ceremonies to remember him and people visit his grave like crazy. I'm glad my country isnt full of guilt ridden pussies like germany

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>americans lecturing about whiteness

Don't you dare talk shit about europeans, you yankee goblin fuck.

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I mean I'm Mancunian so you could argue formal English is my second language if we were being silly memelords. (reality: I've drank 3 cans of 9% booze during the course of this thread)

And I do get that, like, I made these arguments before when people got mad that one version of their pop history understanding of the war was violated but not another one. So, I mean, maybe that is the mirror to how I see these threads.

>be so bad ass that you use a word and now pussies are terrified of that word for the next 80 years.

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Nope, actually a Canadian who's been living here for almost 3 years now.
Stop living in your fantasy world user, this place is a nice tourist attraction, but when you live here, you realize how little actually works.

...All of this is very well recorded user. Well, the last bit not so much because western sources don't include teh fact houses were cheap as chips till the mid 70s.

>homebase of the best religion
Your leader (current god) says there is no hell and being gay and Islam is a good thing. Bow down, because being an Antichrist doesn't contradict the retarded papist interpretation of Matthew 16:18.

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Are Italians white?

>French Resistance
So just a bunch of faguettes infighting while waiting for Brits to come help them?

It's pretty easy to increase living standards when you kill huge chunks of your population so you don't have to feed them, clothe them, or take care of them anymore.

based and pastapilled

Well, Italy had to held the mediteranean sea from the English Fleet and had some minor success in the south of the eastern front

>Being this mad fer it
I Shiggydiggy at least you're not scouse or geordie

I won't defend things like the relocations of nations or the decision to say "russians are more important than you"

But I will say, almost no one disagrees that central planning makes rebuilding after a war faster.

>95% of American whites are VERY white
At least you tried, Shlomo

Ay, ay, the Hacienda has been gone for ages, and scousers are good lads.

I'm salfordian really tho

Italians used to be white before they were turned into brownos by... uh... Lombards?

>fight against a mob squad
>get raped

gee

faggots stole our flag

sure, that was never the argument though. no one here is arguing for libertarianism, I'm just saying that Communism and Socialism got nothing on National Socialism when it comes to preserving the nation and taking care of your people. Who gives a shit about the outsiders, communists kill more of their own then they ever did of their enemies lmao

Don't even try to excuse how badly pastas got wrecked by fucking niggers with sticks.
Probably the biggest display of both incompetence and cowardice of the entire fucking war.

PIZZA TIME

Nazis Germany
>Tried to systematically exterminate people of jewish descent across Europe and also took part in the persecution, neutering and mass killing other races and people who they deemed inferior and unfit to live in their ideal utopia
>also conducted inhumane experimentants on innocent men, women and children, violating a number of human rights laws
Imperial Japan
>japanese soldiers murdered, tortured and raped 10 of thousands of civilians, many of which were women and children
>conducted human experimentation and torture on pows and civilians
>also had their own bit of ethnic cleansing campaigns across the Pacific theatre and China
Italy
>????

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maybe because 99% of soldiers were forcefully sent on a war they didn't believe in and merely fought because the other choice was getting mauled by partizans

There's no game set in an alternate universe without Germany invading America and wanting to take over the entire universe.

hello, american negro here. are we considered white? I love trump and agree that conservative values are the staple of this great country. I don't like illegal immigrants and believe 2A is the right of every man. I drink milk with my dinner, love my family and place God above all else.

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>depicted among Hitler as a bloody dictator
>still get a tomb of a king

How did he do it lads?

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They weren't as guilted when compared to Germany?

I guess putting bedouins through forced migrations and camps, not to mention the shitshow that was Ethiopia really don't count

If you do all those the things why the fuck would you wanna be considered white? I'm white and lately all I've seen from whites are a bunch of faggots who are out there turning their kids into tranny homo freaks. Be proud to be what you are. Shit man, I'd be happy to be black right now, that shit's a free pass to be hate faggots.

>jews and communists
>innocent
>chinese
>human

Don't be jealous just because Italy didn't do anything cool in WWII

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based! God bless Trump and God bless America!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

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we helped nazis shipping to them our jews (btw the jews were fully integrated into the society and many were fascist supporter). aka selling your citizens to appease a crazy guy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risiera_di_San_Sabba
also the usual respression and murders any dictatorship does

Not much happened in Italy during WW2 except their poorly trained soldiers getting steamrolled and american soldiers mass killing civilians. If Italy harmed any jews they would have been demonized to this day just like germany.

two clearly weren't enough
cant wait till the burgers and chinks finally get it going and your islands become a radioactive crater
never forget you only exist as a buffer

To be fair, Mussolini had no choice. Hitler basically told him "you invade with us or we invade you"

He should've adopted Francos tactic of just making ridiculous demands while mantaining lip service

What games do Italian girls like to play?

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Super Mario.

Based black user, not a nigger.
But you still have to go back to Africa after the race war.

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Reminder that Mussolini moved many troops on the Alps during the beginning of the WW2 in fear of a German invasion
After seeing how quickly France got destroyed he decided to join the war hoping for a quick victory, but little he knew about the invasion of Russia

Italy
>couldn't actually fight any technologically competent armed force at the time so just killed niggers throwing sticks at them in Ethiopia instead

Mussolini was antagonistic towards Hitler for quite a while even before the war, Mussolini objected annexing Austria for example.

Italy was a demoralized cesspit ran by mobsters when mussolini took over. It would have been at least a decade before italy was ready for any kind of war.

bbc sucker 2000

Did you know that while there where a lot of war crimes committed by the German army and the SS against the local population in Greece during wwii, the biggest one was the killing of 5000 Italians prisoners of war in the island of Cephalonia cause the Germans where afraid that they where gonna fight along with Greeks against them (as they did before they surrendered).
Also Italians are considered bros here even though they started the war against us, after the capitulation of Italy to the German forces lots of Italians where hidden by Greeks to avoid labour camps etc. and some even joined the local resistance.

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Why are you on Yea Forums? You're too normal for us social outcasts.

>Did you know that while there where a lot of war crimes committed by the German army and the SS against the local population in Greece
they were animals in any place they went. they burned alive civilians in fucking france

>germans killed communists
you dont say
meanwhile muttmerica

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oh the humanity

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this.

but to be fair, the pastas did tie up the Royal Navy in the Mediterranean enough to matter in the war

and in retaliation, Hitler sent artillery pieces to the Ethiopians

cucking out to German autism was a mistake

Italian bros what is the best pizza??

Here comes the nazi apologist squad...
>Operation Kalavryta was mounted from Patras and Aigion on the Gulf of Corinth and from near Tripolis in central Peloponnese. All "Battle-Groups" were aimed at Kalavryta. Wehrmacht troops burnt villages and monasteries and shot civilians on their way. When they reached the town they locked all women and children in the local school, set it afire from outside, and marched all males 12 and older to a hill just overlooking the town. There, the German troops machine-gunned them.[citation needed] More than 1175 died. There were only 13 male survivors, saved because they were hidden under the bodies of the dead. The women and children managed to free themselves from the flaming school while the rest of the town was set ablaze. The following day the Nazi troops burned down the Agia Lavra monastery, a landmark of the Greek War of Independence
>In total, nearly 1200(actual memorial in Kalvrita names every one) civilians were killed during the reprisals of Operation Kalavryta. Twenty-eight communities—towns, villages, monasteries and settlements—were destroyed. In Kalavryta itself about 1,000 houses were looted and burned, and more than 2,000 livestock seized by the Germans.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
rabid dogs

hawaiian

the one you don't eat in america

>mfw I see this thread

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>nazi apologist
enjoy getting replaced by brown people and your entire life dominated by jew brainwashing

Yeah funny how the countries who fought the two communist teams are the ones who did crazy war crimes.
It's almost as if the USSR and the ccp are really good at making their population believe stuff...
Just a coincidence though right?
I mean, that the victims never really seemed to be yanks, Brits or frogs, but chinks and ruskies...
Hmmm....

i like the one with grilled vegetables

beats being replaced by G*rmans

>It's almost as if the USSR and the ccp are really good at making their population believe stuff...
germans deserved what the russian did and much worse

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>Based and redpilled

>A complete faggot.

Learn the difference, it may save your life.

yes.

threadly reminder to vote FN

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Go home Ivan, you're drunk. And your grandfather was a rapist who was brainwashed by Stalin.

>my autistic totalitarian invasion force is better than your autistic totalitarian invasion force

Nah Italians where awful too (like any occupation force) but the was a big difference between the Nazis and them e.g. take the occupation of Lasithi after the battle of Crete;
>The Lassithi region was occupied by the Siena Division. Unlike other regions of Crete occupied by the Germans, there were no mass executions.
>The Italians were busy stealing agricultural products and using forced labor to construct their defenses.
Not mass executing civilians goes a long way in how you are remembered; a barbarous mass murderer...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre
yeah strange indeed..oh wait you're simply retarded and ignorant

pizza margherita from Napoli

to be fair, the guy cheated

not russian tho

>Salazar ever siding with anyone
This is where this image is wrong

There is no arguing with you people. Posts like these makes me understand the reasoning behind mass killings.

See, you actually don't know how to reply because you know you're wrong. You know Germans wanted to do exactly what the Muslims are doing and you think it's okay because they looked cool like the fucking manchild you are.

An invader is an invader no matter what they dress up like.

Nowhere in that image does it say anti

>Grandpa used to tell stories about him killing Nazi's that were probably really embellished.
>Went on and on about gutting Nazi scum and wishing he could do the same to the Soviets
>Didn't really listen back then but wish he was around so I could ask him stuff now that I'm actually interested in it
Feels bad.

>voting for a bunch of soccer hoolingans commanded by an ex-terrorist backed by the MI6
no thanks

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ok commie, at least im free.

gramps helped create the jewish nwo and insured that you will live in a multi cult hellscape

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Germany and Japan shouldn't have fucked with the US then.

Medal of Honor: Breakthrough

do americans really do this?
also american "protests" are comparable to european B legue soccer hooligans skirmishes

there is, quite unironically, absolutely nothing wrong with fascism.

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>tfw no Battle of Crete game cutting German paratrooper throats with kitchen knives and antique guns from the Balkan wars...
>Cretan civilians joined the battle with whatever weapons were at hand. Most civilians went into action armed only with what they could gather from their kitchens or barns and several German parachutists were knifed or clubbed to death in olive groves. In one recorded incident, an elderly Cretan man clubbed a parachutist to death with his walking cane, before the German could disentangle himself from his parachute.[89] In another recorded incident, a local priest and his son broke into a village museum and took two rifles from the era of the Balkan Wars and sniped at German paratroops at landing zones. The Cretans also used captured German small arms. The Crete civilian actions against the Germans were not limited to harassment; mobs of armed civilians joined in the Greek counter-attacks at Kastelli Hill and Paleochora; the British and New Zealand advisors at these locations were hard pressed to prevent massacres. Civilians also checked the Germans to the north and west of Heraklion and in the town centre.

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lol, the Us was already in the war by 1940, they just hadn't signed a declaration of war yet. Roosevelt wanted the war at any cost

>an elderly Cretan man clubbed a parachutist to death with his walking cane
based greek granps

is that ali g?

stop shitposting on office hours, radroach

>In one recorded incident, an elderly Cretan man clubbed a parachutist to death with his walking cane, before the German could disentangle himself from his parachute.
The absolute state of Nazi Germany.

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Man' i love those fucking water pumps. Wonder how americans can call that shit "water"

if only europoors would fight so hard against the brown invaders of present day as these myths

t. german paratrooper

nope

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>massive reprisals immediately after the battle was won, unknown amounts of male civilians shot without trial
>Major General Ringel issued the order to shoot 10 Cretans for every killed German soldier
>farms and villages that had been used by the resistance were sytsematically burned down
>the first few months of German occupation saw over 2000 Cretans killed
>until 1945, almost 9000 died
Denbts status: Paid

user, it's a shitpost. I know you're not a german paratrooper from the 1940's.

Funny you mentioned it, there's actually a mod for CoH that is all about the battle of Crete.

>that image
Lmao, every single European country is way whiter than the US can even dream to be

>hey hans why the entire world hates us
>dunno fritz, must be jewish tricks lmao
g*rmany should've been balkanized after wwi

Germans are the original niggers.

What service is that?

for now
give it 10 years

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Mussolini kept Italy unified and militarized into the first reputable fighting force the country had since LITERALLY the ROMAN EMPIRE.
He even offered to fight with the allies if given territorial concessions in Africa by England.

It just so happened that it wasn't really enough and he overplayed his hand with invasions he couldn't hope to sustain.

That image signifies the future of europe, a landmass with no borders no traditions no pride in one's land, everyone is the same, everyone must conform under the totalitarian overreaching hand of the EU.

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I proud that you did that edit user

It is bad though...

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cope

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>civilians act as combatants and attack soldiers
>act surprised when they get treated harshly afterwards

>myths
He doesnt know about that the Cretan resistance along with SOE even abducted Major General Kreipe the supreme commander of Festung Creta (never ever happened anywhere else during wwii) or how the Germans lost most of their airborne capabilities after two of the most successful sabotages in military history...
>On the night of 26 April 1944, Fermor and Moss received a signal that the general had got into his car. Changing into the German uniforms, they followed Saviolakis to Point A. Fermor and Moss hid in a ditch 1 yard (0.91 m) east of the road. Further to the west Zoidakis, the Papaleonidas brothers, Tyrakis and Komis lay in wait. At 9:30 p.m., Tzatzadakis flashed his torch three times signalling that Kreipe's car was approaching unescorted. Fermor and Moss blocked the road, and as the car came closer Moss waved his policeman's stick and shouted "Halt!". When the car came to a halt, Fermor smiled and requested that identity papers be shown. As Kreipe reached for his pocket, Fermor jacked the door open, shouting "Hands up!" while simultaneously pressing his automatic weapon against Kreipe's chest. The rest of the team sprung up and surrounded the car. A brief struggle ensued, which ended when Paterakis tied Kreipe and Moss struck the driver on the head with his cosh, knocking him unconscious. Moss took up the driver's seat and Fermor wore the general's hat impersonating him, with the general, Saviolakis, Tyrakis and Paterakis in the backseat, driving off to Heraklion. The rest cleared the spot of signs of struggle and also headed to Heraklion with the driver.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnap_of_Heinrich_Kreipe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Albumen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damasta_sabotage

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Every nation is a "bad guy" in a real life war.

>/pol/nigger meltdown

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hearts of iron, play as ethiopia

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again this is all well and good and kudos to their fighting spirit but all its gained them is an Island the EU can now use to settle migrants on. I doubt Germany was going to genocide Crete

>Give us your territory and we'll fight for you
wow, tactical genius

nah I'm just dumping info, no anger here

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>For some reasons, video game devs are afraid of doing anything with WW2
Because WW2 games used to flood the market and people got sick of them

>hey hans, why the locals are resisting the occupation instead of worshipping the zuperior race?
>dunno fritz, now stop with this dumb questions that we need to burn a church with the kids inside or we're going to miss on the rapes
was it autism?

Not like there's too much to do.

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>lose almost twice as many aircraft as you have
Fucking Marios

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If you take up arms, you're no longer a civilian. The Einsatzgruppen were an anti-terrorist organization

>hey pastiakakaporos why are the germens doing retribution killings
>dunno can't have anything to do with us ignoring any of the civilised rules of war and just out and out murdering prisoners....

what do you mean, pushing false narratives is hard work. look at your brother itt, and follow his example.

>not a drop of Northern European blood
>whiter
Awkward.

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>gets hit in the face with blatant evidence something is gone terribly wrong
>lmao i hate /pol/

You guys are just delusional

Italy did the same thing with Germany and Austria-Hungary in WWI.
>Hey Italy, we have this alliance with you, want to help us out?
>Okay, just give me some of your land
>What? That's utterly ridiculous, you stupid woppa doppa ding dong.
>I'm with France and Britain now. Fuck you guys

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Books:
Man in the high castle
Fatherland

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ye im sure 10 years old we're soldiers

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Are those history books? Can you read?

As someone whose Italian family is Sicilian -- responsible for my black traits like intrinsic cool, big dick, lack of respect for women, and ability to duck child support -- never.

Fuck off.

WTF I love maga nao!!

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p sure you mean "an Alfa Sud was just pushed up outside my house" user

The trick is to start running and then get in a Japanese car. They'll never catch you.

Sorry sorry please do come in and rape and kill and use my money without contributing to the social safety net. Thank you very much come again.

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HOOOONK HOOOOOONK HOOOOOOONK

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Wrong, wrong, wrong, and so on

False narrarive??you mean the elites aren't fucking europe over??
What brother??

HahAHaahAHAAAAhahAHahahahAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK

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>if i pretend to be an absolute moron i don't look stupid!

>a businessman can become wealthy
stopped reading right there, it's shit. businessmen are leeches

>I doubt Germany was going to genocide Crete
but they did, they literally erased whole villages from existence like Kandanos
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Kondomari
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alikianos_executions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razing_of_Kandanos
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razing_of_Anogeia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viannos_massacres

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Well MOH: Airbornes first level was set in Italy if i remember correctly but halway trough you start fighting Germans and even your squadmate says " Unlike the Italians these guys know how to fight"

Can you please point out the person you are referring to??

And the false narrative??

>best food
>Sweden
user...my wife is Swedish but she don't cook. As good as gravlax and Swedish meatballs are, you can't just have them every day.

>Turning Point: Fall of Liberty
To me, it was one of those
>"Looks interesting, hope its good"
>Forget about for few years
>Suddenly remember it
>"Huh, I wonder what happened to it, never heard anyone talking about it"
>Look it up, it released and was shit that got immediately forgotten
experiences.

Isn't there some alt-history RTS game where Germans have mech tanks where they had tehnically one the war?