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You know what sucks about japanese? Because once you get a basic grasp about the language and learn some words you can't just jump into learning by reading because the written language is actually not japanese but chinese for retards. Similarly if you learn to read first, you need to put in like 3x the effort of any other language assuming you also learn the readings for kanji and if you don't, then you need to learn to speak separately after learning to read.

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I think it's easier to just phrase it as "I'm the one who's eating the apple"

I want to learn japanese but i can't even sprek englsh propery

uma ga hashiru
uma wa hashiru

please not again

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i want to
but its a lot of time to put into something just as useless as video games

I'm not weeb enough to need japanese, but still wish you guys the best of luck with this hard language. Keep practicing!

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>chinese for retards.
I’m sorry that we don’t need a desk sized keyboard to write 55,000 individual symbols for your retard language

mina ganbaru

I have given up.
I truly could not learn Japanese.

I'm relying too much on google translate when it comes to reading sentences. Romaji truly is the biggest crutch of them all.

In a world of 7.5 billion people, only 100 million speak Japanese.
That's less than 10% of the worlds population.

Why don't you learn a language that a significant amount of people actually speak, like Spanish, Arabic, or Mandarin?

Is Mandarin easier than Japanese?
Should try to get a graps of the tongue of our future chink overlords

She is so demotivating. I don't want to be reminded of my failures so please stop looking at me like that.

why don't those people create something worth reading or listening to

Gomenasai, my name is Ken-Sama.

I’m a 27 year old American Otaku (Anime fan for you gaijins). I draw Anime and Manga on my tablet, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing superior Japanese games. (Disgaea, Final Fantasy, Persona series)

I train with my Katana every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Japanese fluently, both Kanji and the Osaka dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Japanese history and their bushido code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Japanese visa, I am moving to Tokyo to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an animator for Studio Ghibli or a game designer!

I own several kimonos, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Japan, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Japanese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in Japan!

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>Spanish
Already learning
>Arabic
Mohammad fucks goats
>Mandarin
Long string of chinese characters that for some reason get people banned

Because none of those places make nice videogames or anime or manga
literally what would be the point

>Is Mandarin easier than Japanese
No.

Mandarin is a tonal language, meaning the way you pronounce the word affects its meaning. It adds a whole other layer of complication.

Also the language itself sounds like fucking nails on a chalkboard, it's horrendous

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Took me like seven months to be able to enjoy watching the anime I would otherwise be watching with English subs anyway, get outta here Dekinai-chan.

>That's less than 10% of the worlds population.

Makes 100% anime and 90% of lewd video games

fuck off mohammed

because japan produces a huge amount of media that is popular all around the world
what do spanish or arabic speaking people produce?

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Really hilarious gore videos

Spics, towelheads and chinks don't produce good porn games.

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stop bullying me

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URUSAAAAAIIIIII

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>Spanish
Why would you want to learn spanish?
Its hard as hell, has a shitton of gramatic rules with a ton single exceptions to those rules, even if you manage to understand the language you still need fluency, good luck finding out how to conjugate the verbs on the go while also keeping in mind the gender of the objects even at that point tonality and pronunciation play a big role on the whole sentence so there's another layer for you.
Im not shitting on people trying to learn the language but it seems like a lot of trouble if youre not interested in the very few and specific things our countries offer

t. Esteban Al-Ahmed Zhang

>want to enjoy a jap porn game
>need to have followed a university Japanese program

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"Una caña, por favor"
And basically you can survive anywhere in Spain.

I learnt russian for whatever reason.

Only one of them.

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>learning a useless language
Everything important from japan has already been translated/will be translated. You are wasting your time.

This. All the smart hispanics already know English and flock around the Anglo communities so the ones who remain behind are uncultured retards.

Why should I learn literal subhuman language? I already know portuguese, no need to learn another one
At least weeb language allows me to play weeb games and read raw manga

As an English speaker, Spanish was an easy mode language. I'm not fluent but I'm proficient enough to understand when people talk slowly.

on the other hand I don't need to learn japanese

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your post is incorrect, but yes, we do all understand that English is the only language you have to know

Funny thing, while most of you are utterly retarded weeb NEETs, I actually live and work here.
However, modern wonders of technology allow me to get by being mostly illiterate and only speaking on a very low level. One of the resources posted in one of these threads was convenient enough for me to finally start learning kanjis (while shitting) for the first time in 5 years.
I guess, user, you aren't totally useless.

>2300 Kanji
Everything about the japanese language and if it wasn't for their cultural export of anime cuties we should've annihilated that Island long ago

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t. fat virgin neet

Japanese isn't even hard, but God, it's so fucking time consuming and I'm already getting fucked in the ass by college.
I'm only even touching Genki every 3-4 weeks, I don't know if I'm gonna make it.

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2300 isn't a whole lot.
Don't you know more than 2300 English words?

it's easier than you think, seriously. I'm not a fan of dekinai-chan because I'm a mental retard and I have an N2

I've been using Duolingo. I know it's not a great way to learn, but it's easy to fit some in during downtime at work. I'm in no hurry to learn anyway. When I get more free time I'll probably start to actually learn.

I know you are ^;)

>good luck finding out how to conjugate the verbs on the go while also keeping in mind the gender of the objects
Isn't it the case in many languages? It's English that kind of doesn't have declensions.

>Spanish
Mexico is not a world power and Spain is kind of a small country. I already know it and it's a disgusting, dumbed down version of actual good latin languages like French or Portuguese
>Arabic
What for? Arabic world is a fucking joke and they have tons of disgusting dialects that are practically undistinguishable from each other
>Mandarin
1989 Tienanmen Square The Great Leap Forward Xi Zedong Winnie the Pooh

I'll stick to japanese thanks.

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>Mega-weeb friend (who is a grill) took Japanese in uni, graduated last year
>While well and above any one else I know, she's still not fluent
Fuck how hard IS this language. She's definitely not an idiot either, or lazy.

Use Jisho, retard-kun

I know 2300 sounds like a lot, but when you look at the bigger picture and consider how many English words you already know (or whatever native language words you know if you're ESL like me), then 2300 is fuck all. With RTK + Anki, you can grind them all in a few months.

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no clue, I never counted

Best thread on this board rn

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2300 is high school level. If you want to be an intellectual you need two times that amount.

I'LL WIPE THAT SMIRK OFF YOUR FACE BITCH
IT'S SHI AND TSU MOTHERFUCKER
I CAN TELL NOW

Yea Forums - Video Games

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well yes but actually you need to know the exact reading of each kanji for every word that consists of 2+ kanjis, so basically every word is a new word even if you know all the kanjis
and the thing is you just need to know you have no way of knowing you pronounced it right

And you obviously don't want to be part of the intelligentsia, so 1000-1500 kanji is enough to get by almost anywhere

>retarded weebs have to learn subject vs topic at 24 because they dropped out of 5th grade
God I hate EOP faggot niggers

Once you hit 2000 you already have most of the radicals so it's pretty smooth sailing.

I mean yeah you don't have to know any kanji to ask where the toilets are.

Every language needs constany practise to get good at. For example, I had an excellent English writing and reading skills by the end of high school, but I couldn't speak on the same level. I constantly had to stop and think about what I had to say. It wasn't until I started actually talking to people online that I developed my speaking to the point where I can freely converse with actual English or Murrican people.

I know around 1k and I've never had any trouble reading any sign, menu or poster desu

>I haftu make a pupu, prease where isu toiretu?

>Waito piggu go homu

I should read more but I'm too lazy to pick up a new manga to read.

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Sukku my dikku nihonjin

i'm motivated! i forgot about anki today, but i'll do it tomorrow for sure!

would that be 明日こそする or would i want to use やる?

I'd say やる

I unironically used duolingo for learning japanese for like 2 months

Just left it and got into programming.

Will start studying web app next September. Might as well throw time in something that might land me a job.

I miss it so fucking much, but I don't have time Yea Forums, I swear

I'm trying duolingo after Dr. Moku.
I'm motivated.

It has some good courses, I used the nukemarine one and learnt a lot of vocab.

Spic here, I think its the other way around, since we do have ways to properly know how to pronounce a word because we have signs that are put(or not) once in a sillable each word then it becomes extremely easy to know how to pronunciate, I dont understand how you english speakers can be content with having bunch of words that you can say the same but are written differently while also having a word(ex: read) be said with different tonalities depending on the context without showing it in the written form.

I had tried anki before but i couldn't understand how it worked and it just made me confused

today i learned how to write "a" its hard to write it correctly and it looks ugly but everybodys gotta start somewhere

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I can finally somewhat understand jap variety shows

I haven't bothered learning how to write Japanese because I barely write in English as it is. I'm a bit worried that it will bite me in the ass at some point though.

That's good. I know 900 kanji, can watch my anime raw just fine, but I don't know how to write あ without cheating and looking it up.

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It's literally the hardest language

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>tfw I am moving to Japan in two months and barely passed N5
I'm... fucked, bros. Right?

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The 'I am' is redundant in greentext.

>I don't even understand the language of the majority of media I've been consuming for almost ten years now
This is so sad to think about

>tfw I am moving to Japan in two months
tell me your story, user

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すみません、せんぱい

I bet most nips don't know these kanji.

Only talk to them in english and force them to reply in your language.

Time to crunch user, let this post be the last time you write or say anything in english
I started living in Brasil knowing literally nothing about the language and managed to read it almost perfectly after 6 weeks, only because the language was forced inside my throat every living second, its time for you to do the same.

>be me
>software engineer
>work for a giant tech company in the west
>be a massive weeb
>visit Japan and absolutely love it
>ask company to be moved to our Japanese office
>they accept
Not much really.

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I fucking hate that I can read that but still failed to get far enough to properly learn how to read that language. Fuck you riceniggers and fuck anime.

You can literally learn how to read kana in a week, what the fuck are you talking about.

>visit Japan and absolutely love it
>ask company to be moved to our Japanese office
>they accept
didn't expect that, huh

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Yeah but the chinese symbols man. I COULDN'T DO IT

Enjoy longer hours, less pay, and even more social isolation

>took german junior year
>started out ok but began to hate it
>ran out of interesting classes to take senior year
>decided to take german 2

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Just use lazy kanji method and blow through 1500 in a month then start reading

I've considered staying at a language school in Japan for a few months, anyone got any experience with good ones?

I don't even know english and I'm american

Nah. It's a western company, I've already investigated thoroughly before accepting. Working hours are the same, I get more vacation days (ironically, thanks to things like Golden Week and longer new year's eve period), salary is mostly the same and cost of living is comparable, but I get a massive tax relief because company sponsors part of my rent pre-taxes. Also better food and healthcare and cute women

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have fun going to prison for playing mario 64 on an emulator

he's a software engineer, I think he's maxed out on "social isolation" voluntarily already

>2300 is high school level. If you want to be an intellectual you need two times that amount.
t. reads trivia about Japan on the internet and never lived in Japan
2300 is enough to for high school, college, and most (white collar) jobs. The number wasn't picked at random, those 2k are defined as "jouyou" for a reason and laws and legislation are literally not even allowed to be written with kanji outside the jouyou as-is without an attached reading (and generally not at all).
Knowing more than the jouyou is a plus, but you're set for 99% of everything you'd ever need to pursue with all jouyou alone.

I always liked German, just how it sounded.
I've always told myself that if I were to learn something, German would be it, but I have literally no use for it.

Meanwhile Japanese, a language I hate, would be mega useful even though I'm not even a weeb.

I want to learn Japanese to to muh vidya and VNs, but at the same time I want to learn Latin and Ancient Greek cause my historical literature hobby. Which should I start with?

I get the joke, but the shoulder width proves you're wrong. Baka.

>Working hours are the same
You don't know, do you? You're in for a real treat in Japan

>decided to take german 2
Gute Wahl

走れ!
高速の、
帝国華劇団!

>want to learn japanese
>Have resources, the time and tools to do it
>Can't bring myself to begin with it or to stick to it
Lack of willpower murders me when trying to learn new things, I really need a partner to do it or else I drop everything

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WHO DIS

White people working for western companies (and even a lot of Japanese ones) don't face nearly the same pressure as their ching chong counterparts

Except I do know. I've literally spoken to various employees from our Japanese branch, I've spent three days working with them while I was visiting and I've seen how they work. It's exactly the same, it's a western company. A good 60-70% of the workforce are white people and there's only like 10-15% Japanese overall.

weeny :DDD

wrong

Are you going to kill yourself once the japanese work culture grasps you and you become a soulless shell of a salaryman?

>software company
>60-70% are white people
Bullfuckingshit. Every software company is filled with poos, and SEAmonkeys.

I'll be your partner user

I don't get it

oh wow, I thought Finnish would be hardest tier

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>said user from his basement

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おちんちん大好き

A dumb gaijin tried to make a comic to explain は vs が but failed miserably

Same

Someone named their kid "Lion King"?!

Find another resource to work with. Genki is shit.

cute and funny

おまんこ見たいなああ

Start with RTK, or start with C6K. Get something that you can mindlessly set a goal for and do every day. Starting with kanji is nice because they're not actually language so your atrophied language-learning skills won't drag you down.
Do twenty new cards a day and you'll be done in a year. That gets you over the biggest hurdle, which is knowing literally nothing so you can't even enjoy anything. Reasonable short term goals are the key to being motivated.

Anyone actually know Japanese here?
Please say if you do. I want somebody to beat me in the competitive Kanji quiz game.

Just give up.
No one on /djt/ has ever reached fluency in the decade old history of the thread.

That's because people always leave djt once they reach intermediate

Maan fuck trying to speak that bullshit i just wanna read and understand it perfectly

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I know Japanese

Well my name is Leon Rey, so I guess I can't throw stones.

>companies that mainly hire Asians are somehow less Asian in Asia
Stop lying on the internet

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Then what's a good one? And why exactly is Genki bad?

ベース

What a stupid fucking language
Alphabets >>>>>> Syllabaries

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I don't know Japanese but I know Erogenese.

vocaroo.com/?upload

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It's honestly tiring to read the same 1st week of Japanese -tier questions over and over and over again. People patting themselves on the back for knowing how to recognize motherfucking HIRAGANA as if that was some kind of achievement, people LARPing intricate Kanji meanings when they don't even know how to hold a normal everyday conversation, retarded memes and overall stupid weeb shit.

Once you actually get past that, you realize that your best chance of learning the language is to actually get out there and learn it, stop posting on Yea Forums or leddit or trannyscord and start engaging with real Japanese speakers.

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Redpill me on self taught Japanese and how to reach Nirvana for free!.

日本語わからないけどエロゲ読める

This is our year anons, I can feel it.

discord.gg/3PpxB24

This chat has a competitive Kanji quiz of this type. Please come in and announce yourself as a competitor.

streamable.com/ct97d

>user said it's 60-70% white people
>Google: 60% white people
You literally just proved his point, you brainlet fuck.

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Latin alphabet doesn't even work well with English.

are these any good? jao newfag here

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>wasting time doing retarded quiz for some fake e-penis credit points
>on a tranny website
that's gonna be a hard pass for me senpai

>bothering with writing or speaking

Filtered ;)

>he can't even beat a tranny at Japanese

>Once you actually get past that, you realize that your best chance of learning the language is to actually get out there and learn it
I'm in Japanese 6 right now (last quarter of Uni), I've been taking it for fun each quarter, and realized this recently. Even though I've gone to class 5 days a week for the last two years, I'll never be proficient unless I'm speaking and hearing it at least 90% of the day. Vocab words and Kanji slip from my memory every day because due to lack of usage in the classroom. Feels bad, man.

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what the fuck why does she look like she was born in Chernobyl

>nooo this is racist reee
or maybe because whites and asians are the only ones hardworking and intelligent enough for the jobs

here
Point in case, these dumb fucks here I bet half of them couldn't even hold an everyday conversation while shopping at a conbini, let alone actually talking to a Japanese person in real life.

Trannies have much more time to learn Japanese since they're NEETs. They can also learn while dilating.

お前ごときが我輩に対して無礼な態度を見せる罪の処罰は痛みを伴う死。

wtf is this

That includes European offices, retard. If you've ever worked in silicon valley you'd know it's all pajeets and chinks. Also you cherry picked, he doesn't work for google

>because due to
I also can't speak English, apparently.

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It's a college textbook. It's dry as hell and meant to be used in a classroom environment. If you haven't touched in weeks I'm guessing its failed to motivate you.
Look up Tae Kim's grammar guide or go to /jp/ and look at their resources.

>Latin alphabet doesn't even work well with English.
yeah but others do

The place of shattered hopes and dreams!

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>he doesn't work for google
I might, but I ain't confirming anything.

I LOVE JAPAN PERIOD

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>people talking to you at a konbini
This never happens.

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Not him but I could read this aloud no problem. However there's no way I could hold an everyday conversation in Japanese because I'm not experienced enough. Also I have trouble recognizing individual kanji out of context (sentences).

What others?

That's my point, you just say some shitty "これ" while handing them the stuff, they tell you the price, you hand it to them, they give you change, you thank them with a simple ”ありがとう" and get out. And those dumb fuck LARPers wouldn't even be able to do that. Let that sink in for a second.

I thought it was just a joke.

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>Not him but I could read this aloud no problem.
Congrats you basically know Japanese.
>However there's no way I could hold an everyday conversation in Japanese because I'm not experienced enough.
Yeah you don't develop fluent conversational ability until you have enough experience using it that way.
>Also I have trouble recognizing individual kanji out of context (sentences).
This is completely normal if you haven't been using the language for like fifteen years or whatever.

しね

I'll try working on it again, I really want to learn something new this year and better myself
That would be nice

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I thought so too
But when I accidentally reverse googled that image I got a chuckle and saved it

I'm a larper and I do that just fine at konbinis, what's your point?

There are plenty of tools for vocab. I'd recommend Memrise as your flashcard app, it's got some great decks already added and is as much of an intrusive bitch as Duolingo.
More importantly, get Genki and Tae Kim for grammar. I'm also listening to JapanesePod101 (pirate, duh) for immersion, it's really slow but the hosts are big airheads and go off on interesting tangents all the time.

Let me know if you do, I'm in Sunnyvale and can drive over and slap some sense into you

These are the 3 best books you can own.

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>Start isolated Kanji/Radical study
>Anons calling me stupid since it's a waste of time
>Can immediately recognize and differentiate between kanji
>Know all their sayings, meanings, and compositions
>Can deduce new words based on this understanding, even if I've never seen it before
>My face when

(笑)

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man i need to step my game up. I am a front end developer but i absolutely suck at back end development. I need to finish getting good at front end and then i might study something different. I just want to go back to japan to live somewhere else.

I mean other languages. English is one of the retarded languages that has multiple ways of pronouncing letters.

Goddamit

Shit compared to hjgp+reading

Chinese is way harder than Japanese, though.

I unironically learned Mandarin as a 'fuck you to the Japanese language for being so difficult

or just use djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html

Oh you're in SVL? I've been to MTV a few times but I usually just go to NYC once or twice a year. TOK-RPG is a great office, but we're moving to Shibuya in October so I'm hyped to see how the new office will hold up compared to the old one. The view is amazing from the 44th floor.

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Fuck off from here, you weeb posting degenerate

>Less symbols
>Simple grammar
>consistent pronunciation of hanzi

Japanese grammar is extremely simple. Don't know about Chinese grammar but I've heard it's somewhat like English, and English grammar is a total clusterfuck.

But chinese is much more difficult?

>using 笑 and not 草
Still just a baka-ass 外人。

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I already know Spanish and I don't want to learn Arabic or Chinese

Mandarin (I assume that's what you mean for "Chinese") is not harder than Japanese. Grammar is way easier, hanzi are much easier than kanji because they have one and only one meaning/reading (unlike Kanji having a Japanese + Chinese + modified readings for most of them). Only hard thing about Mandarin is the intonation/speaking, but with some practice you can easily get it down. Intonation also plays somewhat of an important role in Japanese (nearly not as much, however) as well anyway.

Mandarin is far from an easy language to learn, but it's still way easier than Japanese.

くたばれ

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>not using w

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Why do they use the kanji for grass to say lol?

Chinese is simple. It has no singular and plural like English, it does not have tenses in the Western language sense, it has no genders (masculine, feminine or neuter) and nouns and verbs never change, there are no changing endings.

>Japanese grammar is extremely simple
It is until you actually start learning it. If you just stop as the 5-6 basic particles you might think that way, but if you actually learn Japanese (and not just at N4 level) you will soon realize that it's far from true. Japanese has so many nuanced grammatical rules, Chinese doesn't even compare. Chinese grammar is way easier than English, even.

おれ も

Get fucked, retard

People ehre will always shit on you, being it for reals or for fun. Just keep doing your studies to reach new heights. It also reminds me i have a japanese test saturday and i really need to study.

I might get those after finishing my MARUGOTO books. They are prettty good introdutory books and not that expensive. I might ditch my japanese classes and just buy the books since every fucking class is just readin the fucking books.

i already know english and BR portuguese but i might have to learn french if i want to move to canada.

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草生えるね。

wwwww looks like grass

YAMEROOO!

I started from learning both hiragana and katakana at a very slow pace (1-1.5 hours a day) and it took me about a week (it is possible to learn them both in a day mind you). Even downloaded some retarded rpgmaker games to help me with learning, but didn't even need them in the end because they would have slowed the progress even more. The thing is, after you get your studying material right it is the easiest to start learning any language because of the huge progress you make everyday provided you don't slack. I've already finished rtk and have been mining core6k deck for a month but that initial boost still remains as I try to pick up different things to read and notice how the things that were obscure a month ago make sense now, also relying on yomichan less and less to help me with reading kanji.

In short, you just have to start, user. And try to make studying your everyday routine even if it takes only a small amount of time. Also make sure to put your new knowledge to use from time to time as it will help you to keep motivation up.

笑う > warau > wwww > looks like grass

Oh so now you're already in Japan? Get your LARP straight

I haven't actually bothered to formally study Japanese grammar beyond the basics. I've just picked most of it up passively while reading, which is also how I learned English grammar.

I don't think this is the case, at least from anyone who isn't brought up with a tonal language. Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese, Taiwanese etc) all have what is it... 5 tones on any given symbol/word etc..? Consider that "Ni" said with a rising question intonation can be totally different as a word than "Ni" said with a flat intonation - this is why Chinese FOBs always sound "angry" speaking english, because they stay with thatk ind of intonation - BathROOM down HALL?! etc.

Japanese and Korean are much easier I feel than Chinese, unless you're raised with a tonal language or at least have perfected certain elements thereof (ie its hard enough for some people to trill when speaking Spanish)

>Less symbols
The Japanese have to actively know about 2k-3k kanjis, while the Chinese use upwards of 5k and don't have the furigana crutch.
Spoken Japanese is incredibly simple too.

Literally the only times I heard "yeah, learning my native language was harder than learning Japanese" was from Chinese people here.

we posting aidorus now?

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>tfw keep getting analysis paralysis and can't get myself to start going over vocab again
I have no idea what method works the best for me, I'll never be able to start without fearing there might be a better way

>that subtle panting at the end

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It's a picture from when I visited last year, before deciding to move.

ねこはテーブルの下に

What's difficult for an English-speaker is all of the conjugations for different emotions and specific scenarios. There's just no direct translation for these, so it's really weird to get used to.

>Japanese and Korean are much easier I feel than Chinese, unless you're raised with a tonal language or at least have perfected certain elements thereof (ie its hard enough for some people to trill when speaking Spanish)

For intonation/speaking, yes. For everything else Japanese takes the cake, which is the point of my original post. As I said, Chinese (Mandarin) is still a relatively hard language, mostly because of the whole intonation thing, however Japanese is still way harder because its grammar and reading are much more complicated.

Don't worry, guys, at least you can still play this.

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>power rangers tier acting

For everybody thinking Japanese grammar is easy, just read this post and then come back.
japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/260/differences-between-くれます-もらいます-and-いただきます/308#308

Already have the three week itinerary. See you fuckers on the other side.

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私はファゴトです

my muscle memory from japan games is failing me

>god tier level cute so who cares

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lol

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The kureru, ageru, and morau stuff was weird to learn at first, but if you use and hear it enough, it becomes pretty simple to understand. Kureru and ageru pretty much just mean "for me" and "for you." That stuff really isn't too bad. Now Keigo on the other hand...

That's literally babby tier

That's not hard, user.
I mean, keigo itself is kinda hard, but it's its own separate thing and if people who have to use it excessively are taught it separately.

>that guy on the right
Heh

No but post more cute kendoka
I am a kendo practitioner and I recently met a very cute kendoka from a different dojo named mitsuyama-san and she is cute as fuck goddamn i might change schools just to work with her.

Fuck that, polite or casual form for everything. You're a white monkey, after all.

>Not just learning French and translating the hard work the frogs already did like I do

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any japanons here? how are you celebrating the combined abdication/golden week holiday?

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There's nothing "god tier" in power rangers tier.
Fix your shit taste and meet some real fucking people you autistic uneducated fucking moron.

It's not about that specific case. It's about the fact that the grammatical complexity explodes with all these kind of situations (with or without keigo), which is the original point that retarded weebs that learn N4 Japanese think Japanese grammar is easy because they haven't encountered actual real Japanese grammar yet.

お迎えに参上いたしました、我が主
暫くお待ち下され

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ウマ

The tones really aren't that hard once you get the hang of it.
But if you thought the Kanji grind was hard...

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only if you move to japan.

恥ずかしい楽しかった凄い可愛い怖い

I hate this cunt so much

filho da puta

Kanji grind in Japanese is way way way way way harder than Hanzi grind in Chinese.

desu the complexity is not very daunting if your mother tongue is Finnish

so the core 6k should give you a very reasonable understanding of most written Japanese?

That doesn't change the fact Chinese is much harder, user.

Reminder that there are more Kanji in the japanese language than there are stars in the Milky Way satellite galaxies and that you can never ever learn japanese.

Anyone else a fucking brainlet who has basically trained themselves to ignore honorifics and consistently gets surprised whenever any character starts bitching about them? It happens so fucking often, I just pay no fucking attention to what characters are calling each other.

It's similar to SFX in manga, I can read them fine, but my mind just glosses over them because I'm too used to just ignoring them from back when I read "translations".

Japanese is like Sekiro, it's not hard at all once you figure it out.
The only hard part about it, it's memorizing all the Kanjis, at least the common ones. If you don't know them, you can't read, that's the only gate stoping you.

People who read translations like this without even realizing what's wrong with them are truly pitiable.

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you will never know the difference between は and が

user if you wanted to scare everyone you could have just said "counters"

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Finnish is so much harder than Japanese, fuck your language

Chinese is *factually* not harder as a language than Japanese, if you're an English native. How you feel about those languages, I don't give a fuck. Japanese is a higher level of complexity than Chinese to learn, that's backed up by actual language research and studies. The only harder thing in Chinese compared to Japanese is the tonal pronunciation, everything else is way easier.

90% isn't reasonable. That's roughly one word every sentence you don't know.

98% and up is reasonable.

Yeah but out of context it's hard to have much of it stick. I don't recommend core past 500-1000. I'd recommend a deck that goes by jlpt levels so you have more chance to practice with beginner materials.

yo i have some of those too i made while reading manga raw and comparing the scanlations

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weebism irritates me because my only remaining friends are trying to flee to japan, but if i had the confidence and motivation i'd do the same fucking thing because my country is a hellhole

>Arabic
>Mandarin
Hahahahahaha.

>t. only took up to chinese two
Intonation is easy to master, but when it comes to Chinese grammar... you have no idea the horrors that await you.

I prefer that gekkan shoujo nozaki-kun one where it's at least someone running the text through Google. Wasn't this garbage made by someone taking the fucking dub script from the corresponding episodes and fitting it in the bubbles where they thought it should go?

>I hate weebism
>I'll move to Japan tho

I'm pretty sure there doesn't exist a single good manga translation. Literature is a whole different can of worms, but at least you sometimes have people who can actually write in that field.

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Is it bad if I know which one should be used and when, but can't explain why?

Even now, I never have to write anything extensive in English. I mostly just type things.

no. japanese people are the same.

yes, that's right, i'd move to a country where i didn't have a constantly worry about getting mugged or worse

That's not really how it plays out. It'll mostly be more arcane nouns that trip you up, but you can still usually induce the meaning from the grammar which you'll be much more intimately familiar with.

no cause that means you're like probably most japs who don't remember super basic grammar classes that they took when they were kids

To properly understand this point, I recommend everyone to read this article: sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like

It really opened my eyes on how it feels to learn a new language.

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huh wow

why not move to a better country like any northern european one where you can actually learn the language in a reasonable time?

iktfb

>I don't give a fuck
Because you're a fucking weeb.
Meanwhile Chinese is objectively and factually harder than Japanese.

And that's fine, but saying you hate weebism is ironic

If you move to Japan to live out your anime fantasies, you're going to be sorely disappointed. youtu.be/d2FGgYp6mdk

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Not my point. Chinese is still hard as fuck, but Japanese is *still* harder.

нo зaчeм?

Why not study something useful instead, like penises?

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>Be black
>Have a fat cousin that worships everything Japanese
>Had no friends
>People viewed him as a loser
>Learns Japanese in two years
>Goes to Japan
>Makes some friends
>Finds a chubby Japanese girlfriend
>They hit it off
>Her family loves him
>They end up getting married
>Get a spouse visa, which allowed him work into the Japanese labor
>Has two kids now
>Ask him where do I begin with finding my japanese girlfriend
>He texts me, "Learn the Japanese culture, respect it then learn the japanese language to MASTER it then come here"

T-This is so hard, where do I begin?!

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where do you live?

It's much easier to intuitively grasp the meaning of an unknown kanji compared to a fucking nonsense word like dowargle.

Go back to Africa

the point is that weebism irritates me just because i'll probably never see some friends again because they've moved to japan with no intention of ever returning which sucks BUT i understand why they did it, i'd do it too if i could

i'm 28, i can't learn shit and no one wants a permaNEET to immigrate

SUOMI

>learning Japanese
>tfw the only other language I was interested in learning was Finnish
What's wrong with me?

Every time

>intuitively
>unknown kanji
what

kill yourself

Name a better European country than Japan then

>tammikuu
you should see how slavs do months. January = Styczeń

Just sell crack like the rest of the homies.

Good luck, blackanon. You should probably take some classes at a local college if you can afford it. Studying alone is a good way to never learn anything.

Switzerland

penislet never gonna make it.

>making hafu kids who will have to live in Japan
oh no no no

>i'm 28
Yeah, sorry to say but it's better if you give up and try to find something else to do. Learning a language after turning 25 is nigh impossible unless you're a natural born genius, and even then it's really hard.

Fuck out of here, dude. No furigana and twice the amount to learn to become fluent

>kuusi palaa

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nice larps, nips literally consider nigs subhuman

>bingle
o i am laffin

watching Sakura and slowly finishing off the last of the Eva manga at the same time as reading JoJo

I'm pretty much done using Anki, reading is just better and more fun, though I still put unknown common words into anki when I come across them as sort of a learning tool.

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Goddammit, all those edits made me laugh and then feel bad because deep down I know she is right.

My country of course

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yes you can use intuition to figure out how radicals play a part in the meaning of a word

You cannot learn Japanese.

>dude, learn 3 different languages instead
are you for real?

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>know shitton of kanji
>perfected hiragana
>still cant remember about 50% of katakana
bros wtf...

are Popuko and Pipimi the greatest shitposters of this century?

you can triple workload in kanji because of all the readings.

>tried learning nihongo
>expend 2 weeks learning kana
>get lazy/depressed and forget about it
>days pass by and i feel like i want to learn it again
>expend another 2 weeks re-learning kana
>get lazy/depressed again
>lose motivation on learning nihongo

How do you guys do it?, how the fuck do you guys keep learning without any distraction? I want to try it again but god damn i don't feel like 100% motivated to do it.

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Except with Japanese (or similar pictogram-based languages) you have a duality of reading that you don't have with latin-based languages.
You can:
- Know the symbol (and infer meaning) but don't know the word, so you can't read it out loud
- Know the reading (if furigana/hiragana for example) and still need to know the actual word.

For the second case, it's the same as our language, for the first case however, it adds a new layer of 'unknown' that wouldn't be there otherwise.

So yeah, you can make the point that with kanji you can somewhat guess the meaning of some jukugo because they use similar component kanji that you already know, but that is not solving the 'vocabulary' problem of the second point, so it's not making the language any simpler to read for you.

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I'm lucky, because we in Russia have normal (Gregorian) month names. But others are totally fucked, yeah.
>Styczeń
Seems very close to Belarussian "Cтyдзeнь". Get it? Because it's cold, so let's call the month like that!

That's bullshit.

>Is Mandarin easier than Japanese?

Mandarin-Japanese complexity depends on which one you studied first.
Weebs who try Mandarin say it's easier than Japanese.
People who try Japanese after Mandarin say Mandarin is easier.

Mandarin is an analytical language. Just like English. Apart from some Japaneisms (see where the weebs are coming from), it has easier grammar than Japanese and its endless agglutination. BUT you'll have to learn to hear and pronounce tones. No way around it.

Japanese is easier to listen to, easier to get a point across (albeit it's also tonal, just less obviously, so speaking fluency is also fucking hard) but the grammar structures are alien and the writing is harder than Mandarin, which simplified the symbols to be more retard-friendly.

Or you could learn something like Cantonese or other Chinese languages that have even more tones, much harder pronunciation, foreign grammar structures and traditional characters (Japanese simplified a lot of shit themselves) to top it off.

>Learning a language after turning 25 is nigh impossible unless you're a natural born genius, and even then it's really hard.
This is what brainlets seriously believe. I started at 24, it wouldn't have been any harder a year later. People who think it's harder to learn things as you get older don't realise that it only seems harder because most normalfags are too busy with work and entertainment to escape from work to actually put in any time for productive hobbies.

It's up there with thinking that children learn languages "easier" than adults.

Readings?

What's duolingo?

what's with the rampant China hate on 4channel?

language acquisition in adults is abysmal, friendo

it's why you're 30 and still can't learn japanese

You learn a hanzi, you have learned it for good. Kanji have multiple readings (Japanese and Chinese) and more often than not more than two for each of them, additionally they also have slightly different readings depending on the jukugo/compound they are used in.

LOLICON SOUL

>Learning a language after turning 25 is nigh impossible unless you're a natural born genius,
Good thing I'm a genius then!

Is Mandarin written with traditional characters anywhere in China anymore? I thought some place like Taiwan still uses traditional.

Look up On'yomi, Kun'yomi, and Jukugo

It's fucking China, what other explanation do you need?

the sounds you make when reading a kanji. You know, the irrelevant shit RTK doesn't teach you.

Language learning app and website

duolingo.com/

t. bugman

Guess I'll have to do that

>hafu kids
That means nothing when they live in Southern Japan, a lot of kids look like this, especially my cousin kids.

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I dunno, man. I wish I had an answer for you. I'm usually allergic to work but practicing Japanese and looking at my progress is the only thing keeping me from killing myself. I guess just remind yourself that it'll be worth it and force yourself to get into it.

real talk. The lolis are waiting for you.

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Alphabet-based languages will never have a way of recognizing nonsense jumble like dowargle, though. You're always at the on/kun'yomi stage with alphabets where you have no idea what the word is supposed to mean. Pictograms are truly based.

it's trash

中国虫、市ね

It's not a fucking sprint. You wake up in the morning, and you say to yourself, "right, time to do my reps.". An hour passes, and you're watching a Youtube video because you're a lazy cunt. So again, you make a new promise. "Do you reps by 10am, and we'll order pizza or eat a fucking chocolate bar", whatever you need as a minor reward.

Some days you're going to be lazy, other days you're going to get your reps done in 10 minutes because there's a game you want to play coming out. The one thing to always bear in mind is that there is no such thing as "skipping a day". Because a day turns into a week, turns into a month, then a year, then the rest of your sad fucking life. I don't care what your excuse is, your PC exploded? Guess what, anki stores all your shit in the cloud and you can do your fucking reps on your phone.

This shit is not difficult, I'm the laziest person on earth and I do my reps every fucking day because it's the only thing stopping me from slipping back down into idiocy.

what has China ever did to you?

>中国虫
I wonder if the reading is ちゅうごくちゅう

Ever since studying Japanese, I've come to appreciate pictogram-based languages so I agree with you here, but the point still stands. You have more layers of knowledge that you need to overcome to be able to read a piece of text, hence they are intrinsically harder.

Pendejo. :^)

It's called having a brain and a memory, dipshit.

DEKINAI.

Everything I own. Everything I had. Even the toys I played in my childhood.
Everything.
EVERYTHING.
...was made in China.

It's abysmal because adults don't have the "time" to learn new things, they're all out drinking to forget about their day.

Adults find it far easier to learn languages than children, the only real issue you'll fall into as an adult is that you won't be as willing to make embarrassing mistakes and you're more likely to get functionally fluent and stop learning. Both of these issues solely apply to PRODUCTION though, so for a language like Japanese where everyone sane is learning for the sake of CONSUMPTION, then you'll have zero issues.

Only 3500 cards left lads I'll be fluent in no time!

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Japan did horrible things to China, but all you forget or make a blind eye about it.
I still like Japan, but you weebs are cult tier.

hijo de puta

Ah yes, I too like talking about Chinese bugs and cities.

It's むし.

studies into language acquisition versus your evidence-free assertions of the exact opposite

Same. They're the least country cucked by the EU, their women are all white as snow and their immigration laws make it easy for me to come in and breed. Easier than Japan at least.

But where is the porn of her

jukugo is hard

>市ね
What did he mean by this?

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Who the fuck cares you dirty bugman? Every country has at one point or another done horrible things to its neighbours. Stop being a fucking faggot and get over the fact that people you aren't related to that are long dead got raped once. Fucking faggot.

Hola chica como esta en la casa

Shouldn't it be 中国の虫?

almost every major country has committed atrocities of some kind during wartime.

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how tf do I even start trying to learn Japanese its so daunting

Are you white though?

>bad things a country did generations ago should still be held accountable for what a company is today
So every country in the world should get the finger wagglin is what you're sayin? What are you sayin?