Why was the hunger bar the worst thing to come to minecraft?

>Removed custom worldgen
Clearly you haven't touched minecraft in the last two years because there is a custom gen option

wrong, custom world gen was recently removed. It was first added around 1.12 but has been subsequently removed from 1.13 onwards. Educate yourself before you try to talk shit.

New worldgen just keeps throwing me on islands for some reason. Never even touched the options but I keep getting these small-ass islands. While it makes for an easily defensible location, it's pretty fucking annoying for mining. The second I spot gravel I basically have to quarantine off that area.

funny how people pro-hunger bar can't come up with a sound argument

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What the fuck you're right, why would they take out a feature that does nothing but ADD to the game?

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>not using mcmmo unarmed on multiplayer servers

because 1.13 changed how block data is stored in the game, and short answer is they couldn't be bothered to update the custom world gen options for it (despite the fact those options were still new at the time) - so the feature stayed for only 1 release version.

It adds literally nothing to the game and only serves to limit you

Jesus, as if I didn't have enough reasons to hate Mojank. All they do is sit on their asses collecting money and once in a blue moon release a bunch of colored blocks on some stupid update that no one asked for.

This. Alpha caves were the best

The hunger bar could have been implemented so much better.

It, as a mechanic, provides a challenge that every player must face. If they had designed it so that there were more than just one optimal way to get food, then it would have been an interesting design choice. But no. You MUST cook food via furnace (or by setting animals on fire, which, while fun, isn't that effective).

I say that if campfires were a thing, where you could put a pig on a spit and cook it, it would be much better all around. But noooooooo.

>I say that if campfires were a thing,
Funnily enough, they will be
minecraft.gamepedia.com/Campfire
Can't take a full pig and cook it, but you can cook with it

regen required retard amounts of food and jumping/sprinting made it tank fast,

>add a feature that reduced tedium of travel
>add another feature that increases tedium ten-fold
Mod hunger/stamina out and everything is good again.

>Requires charcoal or coal
>One requires a furnace, one is always surrounded by cobblestone and thus means making a furnace is already an available option
Mojang is fucking stupid

no enchanting was

What's so bad about hunger again? You can set up unlimited food in like an hour and never worry about this again.

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you just answered your own question

When you spawn you have to immediately sit there and farm for wheat instead of exploring and picking a place to settle

The fact you need to set up a grind at all. The hunger meter's more like a fun tax than it is any sort of tangible challenge or immersive feature.

yes, easily

It immediately made me quit and I never went back even to this day

When I saw they added hunger and stamina, I was pretty excited. I thought that meant they were about to make it harder to survive by making it harder to get food. Nope, it's still easy as hell. Animals are passive and pre-domesticated. All biomes with grass provide infinite bread day 1. They decided for a short moment that they'd make the game harder and then changed their minds when they realized how many toddlers were playing, leaving the hunger system half-baked just like many of the game's other features like nether fortresses and villages.
Also why the hell do so many people make games stupidly easy when they target kids? As a kid I hated that crap. It felt patronizing. If you can navigate the game world at all, you can learn a difficult game and have fun with it. Look at the first gen of Pokemon, for example.

monsters are too annoying, killing them armorless fists only is too hard waa

we're talking about base game
but if we're gonna include mods then it would make other mods that add food incompatible

Monsters offer shit beyond filling a singular meter, thus making killing them worthwhile, and killing them more efficiently requires better tools to do so, thus necessitating the grind loop for actual tools and not 10,000 loaves of bread.

Don't tell me you make mob grinders too.

I love spawning on islands, exploring by boat and mapping the ocean is fun

I mean, I fucking love setting up a detailed web of mineshafts and shit and actually having to acknowledge the use of boats, I just with I actually started on some proper terra firma so I can go cleave down a nearby mountain and build a greentop resort.

>no crazy mountain near the ocean with floating island nearby
FUCK FUCK FUUUUCK

what are your hopes for the update after the villager update

>Miss half a hunger point
>health bar stops
>lose a few hearts of health
>hunger bar loses half a point, thus making health regen stop after 3 hearts
>have to wait until the game registers the point missing to eat and keep your health regenerating
I wouldn't hate it if health regenerated slower according to how low your hunger is, but having it stop after half a point is gone is tedious and makes half of your focus in the game about managing it.

the trick to spawning more land isn't to cross the ocean, but to follow the coastline
this generates more land chunks to have a huge continent with plenty of biodiversity

one stack watermelon, one stack bread

>what is hunting

Absolutely this, I don't care about hunger.
But the new world generation is just completely bland compared to the crazy and fun terrain you would get with the old generation.

>Hunger bar
>Bad

I remember doing the island survival challenge with Yea Forums - a seed world that dropped you on a tiny little island with barely any resources and a single tree.

It was fucking amazing.

it adds a tedious time limit to exploration

i used to play that too, but someone stole my adam lanza account

>adam lanza account
fucking what

I'd rather not be forced to do anything and would rather have the freedom to choose what to do

the theatre shooter, or was he the faggot who shot those kids?

Frankly it could have been improved on greatly.

People can go days without starving, and the more frequently you fast the longer you can do it for.

Did do that for a while but hunger tends to deplete almost instantly with plants or bread. The most reliable food I find are steaks.

Some kind of shooter, one of many. What i mean is wtf is an 'adam lanza account' in the context of minecraft?

just set up a little a farm and ur fine
it could be like pumpkin potato carrot wheat whatever and then just get a stack of food and ur good to go
or you could make a pen outside u house
make small wheat farm outside pen or whatever
get like okay amount of wheat (20 is probably fine really easy to do)
and then take wheat put it in ur hand round up cows and lead to pen
and use wheat on cows to make them fuck and just breed a bunch of cows
now u have basically a unlimited supply of leather and food
its pretty easy to deal with

but what if we don't want to be forced to farm?
what if we just wanna mine or explore?

what if we don't want to be forced to mine or explore?

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>not liking farming
it takes like a 3 hours at most to set all three up
farm
cow pen
wheat farm
obviously depending on howw much time u take designing and spending on layout or whatever could be more or less i guess
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u dont have to but i was just telling u how to deal with ur hunger problem the easiest way

but you're not
you can farm all game
you get that choice

i always carry a furnace and coal with me, slaughtering along the way when I need to

never felt too restricted

you can also choose to mine and explore all game

the point is that it's a problem we don't have an option to ignore
can't say the same for people who just want to mine
at the same time starving

starving doesn't prevent you from mining or exploring

having to fight with half health while fighting monsters severely limits it though

then turn creative on when ur mining or whatever if u dont want to deal with it there is already an option holy fuck
whats the point of complaining about it if ur just going to be rude to everyone giving u a suggestion

>what is the spawning system that causes animals to go extinct if you don't farm them and keep populations up

fuck i meant peaceful
....... i always mess those two up for some reason
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Yeah that always seemed weird to me. Minecraft updates seem the appeal to that weird start up period in the game that doesn’t last more than 6 hours. Once you have a steady supply of diamonds and an excess of iron and other basics, there’s nothing beyond that. All these updates add dumb minerals and useless new dirt types and I just can’t fathom why. I wish there was more “game” to Minecraft, instead it feels more like a sculpting simulator.

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so take away half the fun of exploring by taking away the monsters instead of fully enjoying the exploring with no forced handicaps?
I don't know why you're getting upset though, I'm just explaining why I prefer no hunger

monsters can be toggled off in the menu. after all, if you just want to mine and explore you shouldn't have to be forced to fight monsters

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I would like to fight monsters, just not with half health unless I'm forced to run around and hunt or stand around farming for half an hour to mine

you aren't forced to do that, as I already proved.

as I said, you are to be able to fight and explore caves with full hearts

there are mods to remove hunger and regen health iirc
or at least there were
modding kind of got fucked with 1.9, and hit another snag with transitioning to 1.13

im not getting upset that u dont like hunger but every suggestion anyone makes u go nuuuuuu
i dunoooo wana doo that :(((( grrrrrrrrrr nuuu i nuu wana be foorcedd :((((((
and i meant peaceful not creative but i dunno
i guess look for a mod that disables it or play a version without it because thats the only other solution i guess
its not like it goes down that fast
like 10 stack of bread can last u a few day cycles and u can kill cows or whatever as u pass them and it litteraly takes like a minute to set up a furnace cook like 5 pieces and then destroy it
soooo i dunooooo its not like it messes with the game

lmao nigger just give yourself saturation effect. Problem solved.

this son of a submariner gets it

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I simply want the choice to do what I want and not be chained to doing something irrelevant to progress in what I want to do in a sandbox which is a genre built on freedom of player choice
but thanks for understanding my difference in preference

its not that hard to get a 64 stack of food dude
like fuck i did a little farming with a farm only having like 13 plots for crops and like just from playing or whatever i got a ton a food that will last me for like a long time its not like u have to tend to ur crops they grow fine bythemselves

then fucking play creative if u wana just build stuff
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its not chaining u to anything
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a sandbox game isn't necessarily about building
the sandbox genre is giving the player the option and tools to do what they want in the game
before we were given the option and tools to cave dive but now that option is blocked behind the needs of the hunger bar

It wasn't the hunger bar
It was this

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this

wtf is that?

yah fuck those things

Who thought it was a good idea to punish you for not sleeping?

It's the phantom, a new mob that flies around and tries to kill you if you don't sleep enough

no one
literally NO ONE likes these things.
What the fuck were the absolute goobers at mojang thinking?

A mob that spawns in to attack you if you haven't slept in a couple days. You can kill them normally but it's a pain in the fucking ass and more will spawn soon after. The only way to get rid of them is by sleeping, which on a small multiplayer server is pretty much impossible

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dude it takes likes 5 minutes to get a decent amount of food
if that actually apparently is enough to ruin the game or whatever for u thenn this is probably not the right game for u to begin with

Its fun you bad at games mongoloid

what if to start farming, if you like farming, you have to first get 64 blocks of whatever and you need to climb up to collect a cloud block. it's easy and only takes 5 minutes. just because it's easy doesn't mean it's fun
I'm sorry, but I don't think insults add very much to this conversation, friend

how can you even explore the world without ruining your spawn point?

u dont even have to farm
just fukcing kill some cows and chickens
>to start farming u have to get 64 blocks of whatever
what????????? all u litteraly need to start a farm is like litteraly a hoe a water supply and any kid of food or seed that is plantable on tilled ground
but litteraly just kill a chicken if u need food.......
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i litteraly dont even know what ur trying to say

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you....... need reading comprehension

even with hunting, they're usually too spread apart to do efficiently which is time I need to gather wood to go down. and getting tools and seeds to farm a safe amount of food would take too long for days or weeks long cave exploring, where I would prefer to stay indefinitely
I'm trying to say that I don't want to do irrelevant requirements to start doing what I find fun
it feels like you don't really respect my preference in fun and are trying to push your idea of fun onto me

no dude i think ur actually retarded
i dunno where the sky and clouds and 64 blocks came from it has nothing to do with this
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litteraly if u need food kill like 4 chickens problem solved ur making a problem out of something that doesnt exist
i assume hunger exists to give food more purpose

that wasn't me, I'd rather not disrespect someone I'm having a conversation with
the sky and clouds thing came from me trying to tell you that getting up to the sky shouldn't be a requirement in making a farm in a sandbox game. as should food hunting not be a requirement for me to explore in a sandbox game
and 4 chickens would only last me a day before I had to go back up and hunt again which would then kill my flow of fun

u know breeding is thing right
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litteraly just make a pen
get 2 cows or chickens or whatever
keep breeding them
now u have a whole pen of chickens or cows or whatever
now there u dont need to hunt them down and have access to all the food u need
its not pushing fun its litteraly ur throwing a fit over something that has so many different ways to easily deal with it

>**YOU READY YOUR FIST**

**YOU LOWER YOUR FIST**

why would I want to stand around trying to breed animals when I would rather be mining? and when I would rather stay underground mining
as I said, just because it's easy to deal with doesn't mean it's fun

except u dont have to get to the sky??
thats what i meant i still have no clue what ur going on about with the sky
it litteraly has nothing to do with farming or hunting or whatever............
a day is like 20-30 minutes dude
just kill the monsters as u see them.......
this is pointless

Stop talking like a moron already holy shit

Mojang? You mean michaelsoft?

the sky was a hypothetical
if it were in the game then you would be upset that you had to do that just to farm
it has no place in your desires to farm and restricts your freedom
as does hunger shouldn't have a place in my desire to simply mine and fight monsters underground

do any of you still play? I want to get back into it kind of but I haven't been back for a long time. Apparently they added granite and stuff?

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dude
litteraly takes a second
u find a cow
u lure it in with wheat or a chicken with seeds
if a cow u need find one more but if a chicken u can just throw eggs and sometimes they have the chance to spawn a baby chick but chickens are really easy to find
u litteraly just give each cow a wheat and they make a baby thats it
ur not standing around for even mintues its something that can be done in like 1-3 minutes..
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then play a version with out it if bothers u so much
there theres the final answer then i dunnoo
im sick of giving u answers that can be done in a few minutes and u act likes it the end of the world
fuck it im done

I haven't had the chance to play the latest ones cause I only play post release when my friend asks me to play but sounds pretty fun and varied now

ok

I'm simply trying to tell you that just because it's easy and quick, doesn't mean I will enjoy it. also doing that would only give me 3 or 5 pieces which wouldn't last me very long. as hunger is a constant drain and I want to stay underground indefinitely
but hey, thanks for chatting

I liked it better when food just healed hearts. Regenerating based on HP seems both pointless and poorly implemented when half a hunger bar gone stops that and potions of regeneration exist

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dude
u can get as much cows or chickens as u want with breeding granted u need either seeds for chickens or wheat for cows
but yah i guess that requires a small farm so u have a continual source of wheat and seeds
i mean litteraly u could just make a giant plot and harvest it once and then maybe even once in a blue moon and not have to worry if u dont want to tend to it i guess
but litteraly just make it near the pen
but if that apperantly bothers u
litteraly just kill animals that drop meat as u see them there problem solved
i bet u see building ur house as boring to huh
why play a game where u see 90% of the stuff as something u wont like just play a game about mining then

let me ask you, do you think I would prefer to constantly be mining, what I play the game for, or if I would like to break away from that and resurface now and then
I do like building houses but I would rather make the choice to resurface than to be forced to for more food

I can't write out a full response right now but I want you to know you aren't alone here, I'm witnessing this argument and
this dude is being a complete retard.

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yeah, I'm really trying to find a way to explain to him why this is what I would PREFER but he just keeps throwing out the same counter arguments

Look at how he types, he's obviously an underage.

Wrong, the combat update was. The hunger bar is great because the game was too easy without it. If you were low, spam right click on the food in your hotbar.

yeah, I know
but I'm trying to write a script to convince kids like him why I like it and should just respect it
but might just give up on that
I don't know about the combat update but hunger makes it really easy how you can stack endless food and hide away. also with how you couldn't stack food before. but that difficulty is subjective

nice samefag
except u kept just saying how everything but mining is borring or whatever
then play a fucking different game if everything else in the game bores u
fucking sperglord
i gave u like a ton of different solutions why kinda similar they are actually all different
u just keep crying about how doing anything but mining is boring and u brought up something about the sky or whatever that had nothing to do with anything
ur the one who isnt fucking explaining shit
i told u play a version that doesnt have hunger in it then or play a fucking different game jesus

They already have your one time payment for the game, now they can ruin your experience at their discretion.

but what if I like mine shafts and ravines?
I would like to play with those but would have to use hunger
I'm trying to explain to you that I shouldn't have to do something irrelevant to do what I find fun in a game based around freedom
and ha! pic related shows that I'm not samefagging
I think you need to calm down though, we're just having a conversation

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dude
omg.....
even without hunger u would still need food if ur playing with monsters
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so whats the problem u still would have to kill chickens and stuff yah????
to recover after fights... its litteraly no different
thenn find a mod that removes it i guess im sure theres a few out there
i gave u the easiest solutions that can be done with basically no resources and minimal time
and u just kept saying howw nnuuuu i dont like that its not mining
this isnt a conversation its me basically talking to brick wall
and
>phones dont exist
>other browsers dont exist
that ss means nothing
i didnt add hunger in i dont care for it but its not that hard to deal with
stop throwing a fit already

Differently colored stone blocks filling up your inventory is almost as bad as the hunger shit. They're nice for building, and you can get rid of them, but it's still the most tedious shit.

if you're good enough then you shouldn't need to use healing items. the game is punishing you for nothing but not eating
and I'm talking about the base game and what it does for a chunk of it's audience
yes it takes minimal time but it still forces me to kill my flow of fun just because the game tells me to and not from my own choice where I have done nothing that should be punished
I really think you need to calm down though, you're getting worked up over nothing
and you're implying I really care about what you think of me. I honestly don't
all I want to do is convince you why my preference of fun and complaints on post release versions are valid but you're just constantly trying to justify a tedious requirement for people who want to things other than collect food
the hunger bar restricts people of their freedom to do anything else. what can you not get about that?
and before you throw out the modding argument. what about mods that have food in them? mods that shift the healing to hunger.
they become incompatible and I"m restricted from playing with any of the new features added to vanilla and mods just because of hunger
if you don't get that someone just wants to directly have fun instead of jump through a few required loops just to have that fun then I honestly think there is no hope for you and really recommend you try opening your mind more to the wishes and opinions of other people

**LOWER YOUR AXE**

Yeah, this is the worst change by far. They should either go with pic related or go with old worldgen. The current worldgen is just a boring painful inbetween which isn't very realistic but isn't very ridiculous and fantastical either. It's just boring and lacking in personality.

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How about you stop typing like a complete retard?

just like, put the game to peaceful mode lmao

why cant i have hunger on in peaceful?

adds an extra layer of depth to survival

The point isn't that it's hard (it isn't), it's mindless busywork. Hunger adds nothing to the game except for a chore that you have to do every so often.

if your aim is surviving then just go around killing and your'e good. the ability to stack dozens of food on top of each other and how efficient a dedicated farm can be doesn't make it classify as survival much at all

is this a mod? if so where do i get it?

youtube.com/watch?v=mukiMaOSLEs
>it's going to be ten years old next month

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you know it's weird, I've been playing on a Minecraft server with some friends in 1.13 and I haven't slept once and I have yet to run into one of these

>infinite world somehow has finite animals
Just explore lad

People voted for it at minecon.

you are retarded i have never seen a minecraft player as bad as you

I found it on google images a while back, upon further investigation, it looks like it was made by the guy who made biome bundle and it'll be releasing sometime within the next couple of months

misleading, nobody knew what the mobs would actually do - they only showed off the designs and that was quite literally all you had to go on.

ah ok