I'm a little confused, in what circumstances would a customer believe what Epic is doing in the PC space is overall good for them? Epic gaining a large foothold in the PC space with how they operate just doesn't seem like a net positive -Epic doesn't mass generate keys for free for publishers to sell to other stores, so you won't be able to buy from third-parties who are competing on price (only from a 'partner' like Humble Bundle which will just sell the game at the exact same price) -If you live in an area that doesn't have high amounts of credit card usage, you might usually rely on cash cards to buy your vidya, and unlike something like Steam which eats the cost themselves Epic will just charge you more (given their low take for themselves) -Instead of using their vast wealth from Fortnite to make brand new titles for their store, Epic's paying to take choice of where to buy away from customers, and this includes both Steam and GOG options being taken away -Ironically if you live in China you can't actually buy games from Epic -If you're one of the few Linux people out there you're screwed because you can't as easily take advantage of Proton or anything like that -The 88/12 split becoming a regular thing likely won't hurt Steam all that much overall, but it will kill all the third-party sellers which provide better prices for games like Green Man Gaming, Voidu, Fanatical and Gamesplanet -Tim Sweeney himself has said that he doesn't want to do sales even on the level of current-day Steam, along with a clear focus on his store being more publisher-friendly instead of customer-friendly (for example, an opt-in review system)
And the fact that Epic's just 'competing' by buying exclusivity doesn't promote Valve or any other storefront to improve in any way other than to buy exclusivity themselves and that's fucking terrible. Is it all just legitimate shills and contrarians who defend it?
It’s mostly shills, they’ll come in and post the same thread on repeat until people start catching on
William Bennett
Part shills, part people just looking for (you)s. Nobody in their right mind would think console-tier timed paid exclusivity has any place on the PC
Jace Fisher
Personally don't care for Epic Store, but Valve needs come proper competition to keep them honest. They have become too lazy and sloppy with regards to their publishing and procurement.
It's literally just trolling, and you faggots fall for it every time.
Brandon Campbell
Mostly shitposters looking for easy (You)s and the same China hate posts.
Oliver Peterson
>Valve needs come proper competition to keep them honest I agree. But what Epic is doing is not proper competition, it's basically reverse payola.
Xavier Jenkins
>They have become too lazy and sloppy with regards to their publishing and procurement. A curated storefront is shit. There's a decent number of games that have come out and been successful which never would have made it back when Valve was carefully curating all of their releases. Why would you want less potentially great games coming out?
Jason Rodriguez
>but Valve needs come proper competition to keep them honest. Nothing Epic is doing would push Valve to improve Steam any differently than they already are
Angel Roberts
From experience, the only normies who know Epic is a thing and believe it's good for the market are the faggots who ate up Epic's advertising of muh competency muh monopoly and muh cut.
Christian Martinez
>and muh cut.
Anybody who actually believes publishers and devs are moving over because of the cut are morons.
Benjamin Allen
Corporate shills. Anyone who uses the argument that of "muh competitions" and it is good for the customer are either trolls or corporate shills. This kind of competition is only good for the devs and worse for the customers
Asher Barnes
>but Valve needs come proper competition to keep them honest
this but fuck chinks, they are changing the face of PC gaming on the same negative level as Gaylo changing the FPS genre.
Back when Valve still curates the storefront, people complained and now when the floodgates are open, people complained again. What the fuck do they want?
Luke Cooper
>What the fuck do they want? For Valve to be just lax enough with their curation to let them in, but no more than that so they have less competition
>only good for the devs Only good for the publishers.
When it comes to Outer Worlds, and likely Borderlands 3 as well, the devs were most likely not consulted and just suddenly informed their game was Epic exclusive. This is most certainly the case with Outer Worlds, who had been posting updates and interacting with the Steam community on a regular basis before and have (or so I've heard) vocal voiced dissatisfaction with the actions taken by their publisher.
Hudson Hernandez
This isn't good for the devs either, this is a heavily publisher centric competition. So the customers and devs either gain nothing or lose and publishers win big.
Elijah King
Does the Epic store actually spy on your computer files?
>We need a steam alternative! >FUCK UPLAY, they only offer Ubisoft games, they're not a true competitor! >FUCK ORIGIN, they only sell EA stuff, they're not a true competitor! >Epic comes along and offers fat cash to publishers to sell on their store AND takes a smaller cut than steam >OMG Epic is paying for exclusives, they're ruining the PC gaming culture! >OMG if it's not on steam, I'm not buying it! >N...no, steam isn't a monopoly, shutup Chinese Epic shill
Rinse and repeat. You faggots don't know what you want. How do you expect a new store to stand up to the Goliath that is Steam? Have to have an incentive to get the store going. Why would anyone buy the same game from a different store when it's on steam? And reviews can get fucked. Bunch of whiny children who review bomb a title because of something unrelated happening. (See Metro 2033 and LL because people were salty over Exodus).
We should just go back to box games with actual discs. Make 100GB Blu-ray discs the standard. Everyone assumes because it's owned by Tencent who works for/with the Chinese government. However no one ever provides proof. Just make a Veracrypt container and put all your armpit and navel sweat related porn in there if you're paranoid.
Benjamin Nelson
So you want epic to fail so proper competition can rise, then?
Christian Campbell
It scans much of your computer on launch, and actually does actively scan you Steam files and save portions of it to files in the area that you installed the Epic Game Store to. Epic claims they use this information to connect friends lists and don't use it unless you give permission to connect your friends list, but it's questionable why they feel the need to preemptively scrape your data without your permission or why they need to take data like your wishlist, games played and for how long
Cooper Clark
>instead of buying out Halo MCC for themselves they get those fucking interactive movie games and that blunderlands 3
Yes but who cares. Oh noooo they got my steam files and know I play dota2 ooooohhh noooo it's fucking over. Do you use windows? They taking ur data Do you use Google? They got ur data Do you have an iPhone? Apple got ur data Do you have Android? alphabet got ur data
unless you install gentoo and use hardware from the 90's somebody is getting your data.
Logan Morales
Yeah it was proven to be digging through steam files and possibly a few other places it shouldn't be looking. Shills will tell you steam does the same, which it doesn't, or that steam allows them to look through files, which is true of specific prepacked info that Epic is absolutely not using.
Robert Sullivan
Any propietary software does. Join to the open source, user.
Brody Richardson
Well they stole the $5 I was going to give steam for slime rancher but im not actually going to BUY anything from these idiots. Imagine needing a custom launcher and marketplace for each game you buy. Fuck off.
Devs don't see it now but they're hurting their own sales with these exclusivity deals. Getting a slightly higher cut doesn't matter when you're losing 50-75% of your playerbase who don't want to interact with a new client.
At the very least, maybe the competition will bring back actual steam sales instead of valve investing into shitty flash games every year.
Jonathan Mitchell
>We should just go back to box games with actual discs. Make 100GB Blu-ray discs the standard.
So what about the smaller games which wouldn't be able to justify mass printing and distribution of them to stores which wouldn't stock them anyways due to limited shelf space?
John Kelly
Epic does not give one fuck about the consumer. They're trying to romance devs into the future of gaming. Spoilers: Not a single person here should give one god damn fuck about developers. They are a dime a dozen.
Lincoln Flores
Yeah but those people aren't owned by the Chinese government
Samuel Myers
Sell download codes from a privately hosted site until you're big enough for stores to give a fuck about your game. Discs are cheap as all fuck, even the BD-XL 100GB quad layer discs when you're buying them by the thousands. Could always burn your game to discs yourself, and mail the discs out to customers. I'm not against game clients entirely, but we went from actually having a physical copy of your game, to spending $60+ on a download key. I'm sure if the guys who made DOOM and Quake available pre-Steam managed it, it'd be even easier today with modern internet and social media
Kayden Perez
they want Steam/Valve to market for them.
Jackson Gomez
>I'm sure if the guys who made DOOM and Quake available pre-Steam managed it, it'd be even easier today with modern internet and social media
This is really downplaying the sheer amount of games that come out these days (and this is discounting all the asset flip shit too if you want to try and use that as reasoning to ignore this point)
Angel Ross
curation should be left to you, the consumer, and not controlled by the corporation. the problem is we only have rudimentary ways to filter games. user tag filtering is a decent start but there needs to be more ways for consumers to single out games they want and don't want.
Jeremiah Carter
>-Epic doesn't mass generate keys for free for publishers to sell to other stores, so you won't be able to buy from third-parties who are competing on price
user, what's the point of you just making shitty and way too blatant bait?
Alexander Thomas
Yup, you're right. Which means devs will actually have to work to have their game be successful. Release a finished and polished product for people to take notice. Look at what we have today. Devs launching barely functioning "games" that are just glorified walking simulators BUT ITS OK BECAUSE THEY'RE EARLY ACCESS! Shit like this would have never flown back in the day. And not everyone deserves to have their time in the spotlight. Gotta take what you can, survival of the fittest and all that.
Again, there is nothing stopping someone from launching a client solely for indie devs either. Barr entry to AAA publishers. Basically a mini version of steam but with far stricter standards due to smaller community and there isn't multimillionaire companies fucking it up.
Nolan Cox
Nobody actually likes epic I hope..
Joshua Murphy
Its not good for the customer, it has NOTHING going for it on the customers end, the interface is crap, storefront in general is just very dated, no gamecards despite how popular fortnite kiddies made it, just take your parents credit cards. The ONLY things it has is for developers, I assume large cash bribes to get games 'exclusive' for a year while they get more from each sale.
Nathaniel Kelly
>Make 100GB Blu-ray discs the standard. fuck no. bluray is too god damn slow, even at 16x the fastest xfer speed is 72 fucking megabytes per second. seventy fucking two. that's slower than a hard drive from 2002. optical media is worthless.
Cameron Miller
I dislike all clients equally. Give me back my discs and box art/booklet that I can flip through while the game installs. Not to play from you absolute mong. Just to install from. Once installed the discs wouldn't be needed again. Similar to PlayStation 4. The game is installed to the internal drive, and the optical disc is basically nothing more than a key
Tyler Brown
>and box art/booklet that I can flip through while the game installs.
That you'll look at once and then never look at it again
Lucas Taylor
>Just to install from. still too slow >and the optical disc is basically nothing more than a key then just just skip the bottleneck and get a key. rdr2 was a shining example of why optical media is fucking trash.
Lincoln Murphy
Still own it. Still better than some online store owning your games and basically just letting you rent them indefinitely Enjoy being owned by game clients then I guess. This is the future we chose.
Nicholas Robinson
Zero curation is not the right approach. Asset flips should not be sold for money.
Logan Wilson
>Zero curation is not the right approach. Asset flips should not be sold for money.
Then tell us what the right approach is that doesn't prevent genuinely good games from getting on a storefront that some random dude in charge of curation might just not like for some reason or another
William Bennett
I would agree with you, were it not for the fact that the EGS is a literal devolution from Steam, and yet is throwing its Fortnite and TenCent money around to buy up all the cool kid titles. That's not "proper competition."
Ian Perez
then don't buy them and ignore them. its' like going to any store that sells something, there's always gonna be stuff you don't like, walk past it and go get the stuff you like. it should always be your choice and your freedom.
Jason Ramirez
Something that's bothered me is how everyone kept saying "they sold 2.5 Metro Exodus sales on Epic what Last Light did on Steam." Why don't they give actual numbers?
Even more damning is that they gave an exact figure of 4.5m for Subnautica's free giveaway- why couldn't they do the same for Metro?
Dylan Bennett
>he doesn't know about the spyware
Charles Gomez
i also yohoho'd slime rancher after seeing it was free on the epic store, after i had bought it on steam.
Isaiah Richardson
>i also yohoho'd slime rancher
What a cringe thing to say - you're not on reddit you fucking faggot.
Noah Rogers
This. Just filter that shit out man, you have the tools so why not use it?
Dylan Wilson
You have to stop looking at this in such a childlike way. What Epic is doing may seem unfair but it's a perfectly reasonable way for them to start a storefront that has any chance of getting big. People will always choose Steam over Epic no matter how polished it is unless they can only play the game on the Epic store. Epic also has been adding to the store features and has a good track record of updating everything they do so all these complaints of "it sucks right now" is stupid to discuss.
Austin Martinez
Because LL only sold around 20k so at best Exodus sold 70k copies. Giving it a times instead of the actual number makes it seem bigger than it actually is
>Epic also has been adding to the store features and has a good track record of updating everything they do so all these complaints of "it sucks right now" is stupid to discuss. Okay so why didn't it launch with basic features like shopping carts or wishlists that other digital stores have launched with? Why doesn't it have a fucking overlay? It's almost like these grand announcements for features came after people announced major flaws in the EGS like security concerns (both in terms of accounts and privacy). Why is EGS where Steam was at its beginning and even less than? It smells more like appeasement than it does actual effort.
Jordan Bell
Because the numbers are pathetic. Possibly only 100k
Gavin Lewis
How does an upstart digital distribution platform compete with a rival who's been ingrained in customer's PCs for 15 years, has a 150 million installed base, and an army of mindless fanboys who will defend them no matter what?
By having a better overlay or some shit?
Please, they do it by cutting deals and passing those savings on to the consumer, which Epic is doing.
I applaud them.
David Wright
>only sold 20k units of LL >only sold 70k units of exodus how? they were both great games, i figured it would be way more than that when i hear about games selling millions of copies. is selling only 20k to 70k units good? i have no idea to be honest.
Noah Miller
Because to them it's cheaper to bribe developers than making a functional store. This is the chinese way. Tencent may not be the majority but Sweeny listens to them for advice and this is the result
William Morris
Just make enough faggots shill your shit and idiots will eventually fall for it.
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Isaiah Johnson
Anything that hurts Valve is good for PC gaming, basically. PC gaming has been in a dark age for an entire decade now primarily because of Valve.
Brandon Sanchez
>publishing and procurement Yet this has nothing to do with Steam, the software distribution store.
Thomas Williams
please tell me how pc gaming as a whole, a platform that has hundreds of millions of players in games that dont even use steam or have even heard of it, has been dead for the past 10 years given some of the most popular and memorable pc exclusives have come out in this time?
Grayson Morales
Shill. Valve is the one who revives PC gaming. Before them, PC is rampant with piracy and devs refuses to make game for PC
Sebastian Sanders
Last Light as good as it was barely had any marketing so it didn't reach mass audiences. Exodus was well marketed but when it was announced on Epic Store people mostly boycotted it because of them selling out
Nolan Davis
>Anything that hurts Valve is good for PC gaming, basically. Except Epic is hurting the entire PC gaming industry, not just Valve.
Michael Wood
last light redux had 1.4 million owners and 2033 redux had over 2m. that was collected by ars technica last summer when barter.vg revealed you could extrapolate from achievement data. now the thing to really remember is how many of those people bought the game when it was in the 80 gorillion bundle sales or sold on sale for 5 bucks each and not bought on day 1 at launch at full price.
Christian Gomez
If epic has a game I need then I'll download epic. I got orgin, blizzard, and steam. Meh
Levi Reyes
>Epic is hurting the entire PC gaming industry
How so?
Nicholas Morris
You're also not accounting for the fact that Last Light and 2033 are multi-platform.
Easton Brooks
They are killing actual competition like third party sellers and are trying to force consumers to use their platform that is inferior to other clients out there. If Epic had produced a superior client and indicated a willingness to work with third party sellers that drive competitive prices, then it would not be an issue. Also, by repeatedly buying exclusivity contracts, especially for games that are originally announced for Steam, Epic could drive Steam, GOG, and other distributors/clients to introduce anti-consumer measures that would hurt everyone involved.
Justin Lopez
>upstart lol epic is a billion dollar corp backed by tencent and you compete by outshining the competition at what they're good at. steam sales have been boring garbage for years. have better ones. steam's overlay browser is unprotected vulnerable trash, make a better one. steam does lots of social profile shit people love. offer the same thing but instead of making people pay for wallpapers and emoticon offer them for free. make it so you dont even need levels to decorate your profile either. instead of moneyhatting games use your money to partner with publishers offer them at unbeatable discounts steam can't match. take metro for example. instead of moneyhatting for exclusivity offer it at 30% or 40% off and give away a free copy of the first 2 games for free. user customer loyalty programs. spend x amount of money n the store and y amount off your next purchase. do like uplay does with achievement club points where people can spend them on discounts.
Gabriel Long
Valve allowed devs to publish on other platforms if they wished. Epic does not. Restricts it to be only on theirs inexchange for money.
Hell, Valve even gone and paid some VR developers NOT to be exclusive.
Carson Sanchez
Valve, as a company now, is fucking dogshit. As much as people meme on Valve News Network he is fucking trying day in day out to protect Valve and he honestly cannot. The only way to make Valve act is to threaten the very comfy jobs that the veteran employees currently have. Do you think its just a coincidence that Valve changed their cut for larger game developers? Or that they revealed the revamped store interface 10 years since it was teased? Or that Gabe is now publicly responding to emails and teasing a new Half Life game again.
Epic will be the reason that Valve ditches their garbage "nobody is a boss, everybody can pick what they want to work on and how little work they want to do everybody peer reviews everyone :)" company strategy Epic will be the reason Valve actually changes their game revenue cut overall since its already proven that 30% for what they provide is retarded Epic will be the reason Valve actually releases a game that isnt fucking Artifact Epic will be the reason Steam gets an entire code base overhaul fixing up the new optimised Friends List/Chat and creating a better Overlay And guess what? By the time Valve actually does any of this shit, all the games that were timed exclusives will be back on the new and improved Steam
If you cant see this or honestly believe "VALVE IS JUST AS GOOD AS VALVE WAS IN 2007! THEY DONT NEED TO CHANGE!" you're a blind shill, simple as that.
This, if they want to burn money, just give special discounts for epic store, instead they buy exclusives which will make the PC market like the console market in the long run. In the future, instead of console exclusives, we are gonna have something like store exclusives. What a joke
Carson Russell
Not if Epic bribed them. Why do you think publishers agree to Epic exclusives? Larger cut is not enough because 88% of 10 is still smaller than 70% of 100. They bribed them with guaranteed sales instead
Anthony Barnes
This would imply that Chinks in any way shape or form would put effort into manufacturing something instead of taking the fastest slimiest way possible.
>VALVE IS JUST AS GOOD AS VALVE WAS IN 2007 nobody believe this because a) valves still made game back then b) steam back then was still garbage >registry .blob missing >steam is updating...................... >steam is updating...................... >steam is updating...................... >steam is updating......................
Gabriel Campbell
>thinking valve wasnt getting shit for the same reasons in 2007 at least steam doesn't crash as often
I predict gaben will croak and his chad lambo driving son will take over and reform valve after years of his father being a ghost on the throne
Ryan Anderson
Companies don't forcibly change if their competitors just use bribe money stupid. They do it by offering a better product or service that appeals to the consumer.
>>thinking valve wasnt getting shit for the same reasons in 2007
They didn't. I remember Yea Forums was in full Steam worship mode post Orange Box
I remember they even put a piece of shit like Left 4 Dead in a top 100 games list for fuck sakes - ALL TIME 100
Henry Wood
Yep, Valve can also do bribe money if they wanted to but it will be bad for consumers. Fortnite money vs the money of most PC game industry. Can't wait to see that
Ian Ward
They need to capitalise on the Fortnite crowd as well, maybe make skins like what TF2 used to do
Jayden Phillips
>Larger cut is not enough because 88% of 10 is still smaller than 70% of 100. The people complaining about the EGS claiming that they'll never buy from it or never download it or never ever support the companies are a vocal minority. Its a fun meme which is going to affect nobody. Even people that are right now screeching about how bad the EGS store is will end up breaking for a game (Which is probably going to be Borderlands 3). Think about the last boycotts you saw and how well they turned out. >They wont change if its just bribes It doesnt matter how the games got onto the EGS, what matters is how much Valve is going to lose. Valve isnt bleeding money, but its about what they could be making instead by just being the objectively better experience. Outside of Cloud Saves, Big Picture Controller Mapping, VR Support, Steam Link and Library Sharing, Steam as a game launcher (social features dont mean shit to anyone that isnt a child) doesnt have a lot. Thats why people can use Epic and Uplay and Origin and Battle.Net and not miss Steam because everything else Steam has as a "feature" means nothing between starting a game up and playing.
nigga Valve announced their revenue share changes BEFORE Epic starting bragging about muh 88% - it was most likely a reaction to Bethesda leaving Steam (and now they're back)
Angel Martin
If you're too stupid to understand how a company that has made billions off the most casualized, microtransaction-riddled cancer game to ever exist has the ability to throw piles of money at whatever dev / publisher they want to the point where they can literally just hand a pile of cash over, the dev doesn't even need to sell a single copy and their still in the black on their project is an issue, then you're truly a retard.
Steam for all its flaws has never bought exclusives, or engaged in any of the practices that EGS is engaging in right now, and the only reason they're doing it is because they make hundreds of millions each month off fortnite normies. They could keep doing this for YEARS if they wanted because the cash just keeps flowing in. They could be paying major publishers / devs 10s / hundreds of millions of dollars per game to gain exclusive distribution rights.
Here's another thing you brainlets don't seem to understand; epic does not care about losing money right now, they only care about building their store so that it overtakes steam. That's their entire goal right now, to destroy steam by ANY means necessary and they have the money to do just that as long as Fortnite is successful. They are playing a long game, they will likely lose a lot of money in the short term but in the long term as their storefront grows and more and more gamers reluctantly start purchasing from them they will turn things around.
For me, I will never like their store because I have a history on steam and all of my games / achievements / screenshots / videos / friends for literally over 13 years now are on steam.
Austin Russell
>If you're too stupid to understand how a company that has made billions off the most casualized, microtransaction-riddled cancer game to ever exist
CS:GO? DOTA2?
Angel Morris
Can anyone actually give me proof that Epic is driving down the overall costs of these games as they claim? The only example I have seen is Metro Exodus, and they reduced the price by $10. And that price reduction also occurred on Steam.
Nicholas Diaz
Epic Store and its split was announced Dec 5th while the Steam Revenue changes were announced Dec 1st, both were probably spurred by having inside information on eachother
Sebastian Martin
>The people complaining about the EGS claiming that they'll never buy from it or never download it or never ever support the companies are a vocal minority Do you have the numbers? We don't even have any numbers for games that are epic exclusives. The only number we know is that Metro which is still pathetic and don't say the division 2, majority of their sales are in uplay and not epic
Ian Wilson
What has valve done with that money though? They aren't shoveling money to whatever dev / publisher they can grapple.
Maybe that was valve / steam's mistake, but I'm glad they never went this route. It's Epic that has created this console wars bullshit on PC, they didn't start it but they certainly made it a much larger issue. At least previous attempts at this (Origin, Uplay, etc.) all were just making their own games exclusive to their own platform, which IMO is just fine and I don't mind having to use Origin to play Battlefield or mass effect or whatever.
Blake Evans
This. It's all shills and shitposters. Nobody unironically wants this gimped dogshit storefront. Then again, I'm not a buyfag so I could be wrong. At least Epic is paying for any games I download.
Ian Gray
Dont forget TF2 and how Valves microtransaction greed completely killed the original art style of the game. >Do you have the numbers? >Metro which is still pathetic No, im also not autistic enough to complain about the numbers. Epic made a statement, the burden of proof is on the accuser so if you've got some grand evidence that they're spitting out fake stats im sure people that have Tencent stock would like to hear about it.
Oliver Lopez
Well maybe if we had first week sale stats, we would know for certain, but it's almost funny how Epic and Friends™ won't announce those figures but will proudly announce 4.5 million downloads of free games. So it's almost like the relevant stats are entirely controlled by the people who don't want anyone to have access to those stats to draw their own conclusions or something, isn't that just funny?
Charles James
>It's Epic that has created this console wars bullshit on PC >ll were just making their own games exclusive to their own platform If they're paying for the games, wouldnt that make the games they're paying for their games?
If Valve has never done that, why cant i purchase Artifact on Origin?
Luis Brooks
my friend unironically doesn't see a problem with epic store. is he retarded?
Matthew Long
You sound like a Valve cultist
Juan Torres
>So it's almost like the relevant stats are entirely controlled by the people who don't want anyone to have access to those stats to draw their own conclusions or something, isn't that just funny? No, thats just business. Almost like how you cant actually see how many players own a certain game on Steam and can only get a rough estimate through a tool someone made to scrape through steams api which is now defunct as peoples game lists have been set to private due to the GDPR. >my friend doesnt care for my autistic rants about what massive multi-million dollar corporation he should suck the dick of Yeah, your friend is the one with the problem
William Hill
Just show him a chart of what features EGS versus other online storefronts have. Also make reference to how coincidental it is that Epic released their Trello about EGS development around the same time that the news broke about how Epic was scraping Steam data off people's computers.
Levi Nguyen
And yet companies like Capcom are happy to post their initial sale, so why can't Epic/people selling off Epic?
Gavin Perry
Nobody actually does, they just love to make these endless threads because, just like any other clown, it gives them a sexual thrill.
Luis Brown
i hate having their client on my work computer but damn I like using unreal engine to stage all the stuff I make through 3d studio max and adobe products. If it weren't for unreal engine I wouldn't have their shitty client on any of my computers. FUCK
Gabriel Gonzalez
Why does Valve always get a pass for taking away choice by getting rid of physical copies and giving digital distribution a monopoly on PC? I started pirating because of Steam, I am literally forced to pirate because PC is digital only because of Valve and I'm not willing to pay for digital distribution I didn't want any of these console wannabe platforms to begin with. EGS would have never even been attempted if Valve were boycotted into bankruptcy after they launched Steam like they should have been. You Valve drones don't care about choice, you are just worried about your download licenses
James Baker
Just buy games off GOG, no DRM.
Adrian Price
>Just show him a chart of what features EGS versus other online storefronts have. If his friend isnt autistic enough to care about what corporation he needs to suck the dick of, do you think he's going to be autistic enough to care about not having social "features" that have nothing to do with playing video games? Who knows why Capcom isnt Epic, i guess it'll stay a mystery.
Easton Morris
>if you no support epic you valve shill Ah yes the chink shill deflection
Parker Reed
>you are just worried about your download licenses I dont think anybody believes that if they dont support Valve that Steam is going to shut down, they've got enough money to last a while. They just took the "gaben = god of pc gaming" shilling way too fucking seriously and are too far gone now to realise it, even with Artifact existing.
Chase Garcia
you forgot your shit crawling wojack edit dear pasta-chan
Jose Lewis
No, but he might realize it's retarded for an online game store to not have basic features like a wishlist, modding support, or a fucking shopping cart.
They're not showing numbers because they know they're short dumbass.
Leo Rogers
>Will take half of year to make a shopping cart Jesus Christ
Noah Barnes
>wishlist Has nothing to do with playing video games >Modding support Defending Steam Workshop as "modding support" shows how blind you truly are. Steam Workshop is a gutted mistake and is the bare minimum of what would be called "Modding Support", only slightly above Bethesdas "Creation Club" >shopping cart Again, has nothing to do with playing video games Got proof of that?
Not him but only 5% of the accounts they claimed redeemed subnautica for free, same with slime rancher. This shows that their new account growth is stagnating, and I'd be willing to bet that the actual amount of people buying games is at most 1% or less. If the vast majority of your users won't even claim a free game, how are you going to get them to buy one?
Austin Mitchell
No one is going to read that wall of text steamcel just accept that your favorite client sucks and will go out of business if they don't step their game up
Caleb Phillips
>why doesnt epic have a wishlist for the at most 5 major titles on their store? >why doesnt epic let me buy all 5 of these major titles at the same time? >clearly, this program is unusable and completely ruins my video game playing experience How the fuck do you even breathe?
Have you ever heard the term "correlation does not imply causation"? Think long and hard about it I dont use the Epic Store, but if i was, explain why i should redeem Subnautica or Slime Rancer or even Super Meat Boy? Do you go onto Steam and add every free game to your library regardless of quality?
Gabriel Ross
literally everything you said is on their short term roadmap. It's true they launched early but they would be stupid not to. They have a big chunk of the industry right now and lots of draw for developers which probably adds to the deals they are making. trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap
Brandon Stewart
>>clearly, this program is unusable It is for Linux users
Anthony Lee
>linux users Who?
Joseph Phillips
>I don't use the Epic store And yet you're sucking Sweeney's dick hard to defend it.
Again, this gets back to how does Epic expect to be taken seriously as a storefront if it doesn't even have features that Steam, and for that matter several other digital stores, have implemented either over the years (as in Steam's case) or at their own launches? Even if your store has two fucking games on it in the beginning, you should be prepared to expand your features for other games, integration of those other games, and integration of users who have profiles and quality-of-life features on their preferred platform. Wishlists not only track upcoming games but let you know when other games are on sale. A shopping cart is so you don't have to individually click-buy every fucking game. Controller integration so you can play a game the way you want. Epic has not released as a platform on par with even fucking uPlay or Origin. And by the way, we know that people prefer feature-heavy platforms over barren shit because TenCent already pushed this shit once on Discord, and look how well that went over.
Easton Jenkins
Fuck off
Sebastian Anderson
Already posted here And funny how some of these features are coming out, at the earliest, four months after the store's inception. In fact seeing "Recently Shipped Features Store Search" on there is kind of fucking embarrassing.
Ethan Wood
When did I ever say I was defending Valve, cuck? Platforms and clients don't belong on PC, period. We need to go back to the age of developers and publishers hosting downloads and individual games on their website.
And I don't support the client owned by only "40% Tencent" yet 3/4 of their board members come from them.
Nathaniel Baker
Can we all agree that the Epic game store is the best storefront with the most pro-consumer mindset out there? Steam's monopoly needs to die
Landon Nguyen
Oh and here's some evidence behind their shady ass statements. But you won't take this as "verifiable" since it's on YouTube. youtu.be/6y1BPXicNEw
Cooper James
>Don't give epic money half the exclusives use ue4 which means you're giving epic money regardless of where you buy the games from
0.01人民币 have been deposited to your social credit score.
Ayden Parker
>youtube whatever hes probably a steamshill anyway
Parker Wood
I'm German but thanks I guess
Benjamin Powell
how is this still going on no one cares what they have to log into to play a game. origin and Uplay already proved that no one gave a fuck before and no one gives a fuck now.
Sebastian Wood
> will kill all the third-party sellers which provide better prices for games like Green Man Gaming, Voidu, Fanatical and Gamesplanet They are just parasites. They can operate because they take smaller cut (compared to gigantic cut Valve takes) without providing actual support for gaming platform.
Aiden Morris
>Where your evidence? >LOL YouTube won't watch! Sub-IQ niggers take Epic's word as law
Isaac Thomas
I think it's shils and people (SJWs) who have a vendetta against Steam after Hatred and animetiddies/porn games. Before Epic Store they shilled for itch.io but now a somewhat serious threat for Steam arised (and consumers) The worst part about all this shit is how people seriously call the exclusivity deal garbage as "competition". Nobody really talks about the pro-consumer store which is GOG and they made like $8k profit in 2018. I doubt you're serious but Valve made Artifact. Only their own games are exclusive on Steam. EA's games are on Origin, sure people don't like Origin but the exclusive games are produced and/or developed by EA. Epic is just throwing money at publishers for timed exclusivity and pretend that they're competition
James Lewis
Steamcucks are in denial. No matter how much disinformation, bitching, and shilling you do; what Epic is doing is good for PC gaming and devs are going to support them.
Kevin Wood
>Epic is doing is good for PC gaming Elaborate.
Cooper Kelly
You severely overestimate the features that Origin and Uplay had when they launched, they're on par with how Epic is now. Anyway, the answer is by giving the developers a better cut and knowing that the overwhelming majority of people aren't autistic enough to care about what launcher they use (with one exception). >and integration of users who have profiles Thats where you've lost the plot. Have you ever once considered how many people have as close to blank Steam profiles as possible compared to those that have backgrounds, spec lists, "artwork" that makes it looks like its a window to their background, achievements and items listed and their ERP partners listed in their profiles? How about how many people actually have a "Steam Level" above 20? Steams social features mean absolutely nothing to the majority of people, it attracts people with severe autism that focus on how their profile looks more than the games they own or the games they're playing. >wishlists and shopping carts These are things that matter if you're on a platform with an absurd amount of games and dedicated sales, things that the EGS (As its been out for less than 5 months) does not have yet. >Controller integration so you can play a game the way you want. Honestly the only thing you've said that makes any sense in relation to playing video games. Cloud Saves, Big Picture Controller Mapping, VR Support, Steam Link and Library Sharing are important, ive said it before, but the majority of the other Launchers already have it and the rest only matter to a certain crowd, as important as they arent game changers when it comes to whether or not to use Steam or an alternative with the only exception being VR Support. >we know that people prefer feature-heavy platforms over barren shit People want the cheapest game, a friends list with a working invite system and a launcher that starts their game when they want it.
The only launcher that deserves the hate EGS gets is the Bethesda Launcher.
Robert Cook
>barely any games in store >devs/developers claim EGS will give them better exposure and reach an audience they won't with Steam >people won't even take semi-known games for free
>People want the cheapest game, a friends list with a working invite system and a launcher that starts their game when they want it. Why aren't you pirating your games and playing with Discord friends?
Kayden Anderson
>We need to go back to the age of developers and publishers hosting downloads and individual games on their website. I could not agree more, the issue with that is that we're probably never getting back there. >And I don't support the client owned by only "40% Tencent" yet 3/4 of their board members come from them. We already had this discussion. Epic has an estimated 14 board members, 7 being venture capital funds 1 being disney, 1 being "Endeavor". 1 being Sweeny and 4 being Tencent. >Youtube with Reddit Sources Epic checking Steam certificates sounds more dangerous than it actually is, i assume everything else is how they're a data mining operation and thats right, they are, as is every other peice of software or technology you use. Here's a fraction of the data Valve collects on you, excluding the data they had to dump due to the GDPR youtube.com/watch?v=XjxT7Vj-aok Its no different than EA buying a studio/game or Valve doing the same Firewatch and the developers new game will probably never leave Steam for that reason Unravel and A Way Out are made by indie studios funded and published by EA What Epic is doing is no different then any of that
Noah Miller
>cheapest game Discord doesnt have that, from what i can see here you cant actually buy a game without subscribing to their Nitro service so fuck that >a friends list with a working invite system Discord Rich Presence is actually fantastic (ElDewrito used it), too bad nearly no games support it >a launcher that starts their game when they want it. Im not sure how good Discord is as a launcher, i use alternatives or i just click the .exe
Also, pirating games assumes no multiplayer. How do you expect to play with friends?
Julian Sanchez
>Its no different than EA buying a studio/game or Valve doing the same >What Epic is doing is no different then any of that No, it is different. They just buy timed exclusivity, while by buying a studio, you own or finance/produce the game, you have a say in the creation. It might sound like it's similar but it's really not
Jacob Jones
What the hell is "Endeavor" anyway? For all we know it could be a Chinese shell company. >Disney Yeah no thanks. >Epic circumventing Valve's data mining API is still justifiable! Once again, fuck off. Epic and Sweeney can pay developers but not other platforms to use their tools? >Buying and strong arming third party publishers is no different than publishing said games. Wow, a faggot to the tee.
Ayden Anderson
>What is LAN tunneling for $400?
Blake Brown
LL was replaced by LL Redux which actually has a good chunk of owners.
Daniel Murphy
You bitch about steam taking your games but theyve never done it in over 15 years. While Epic literally removed a game from anyones library who downloaded it and it hasnt been 6 months Eat shit shill
Jace Wood
>you own or finance/produce the game, you have a say in the creation. EA's entire "indies" service is them investing money and publishing a selection of indie games while having zero say in the creation of the game. Epic is also being hands off on these games only providing the money. That sounds awfully similar. >What the hell is "Endeavor" anyway? They own UFC apparently en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morris_Endeavor >Yeah no thanks It wasnt a question, its a statement of fact? >Epic circumventing Valve's data mining API is still justifiable! Not sure what you're referring to >Buying and strong arming third party publishers is no different than publishing said games. How do you "buy" and "strong arm"? If they didnt want to deal with Epic, they could have not taken the money. >What is LAN... You'll have to tell me, fuck all games use LAN in this day and age.
Lincoln Allen
Comments like these are why so many people are acting like infants over this. Months and even years are nothing in the grand scheme of things. This isn't some console launch that needs to start out strong they are just building something up and they probably don't intend for it to be something seriously competitive for at least 2-4 years.
Connor Thomas
>You bitch about steam taking your games but theyve never done it in over 15 years. Steam took away my DMC3/DMC4 purchase due to a bad payment even though i double checked with my bank and they assured me the payment was completed successfully. When asked if i could buy the games again for the sale price i originally paid, steam support is utter garbage so i got onto nobody.
Also, The War Z. Objectively garbage game, but they did take it back from people and refunded it.
No. They require an account and server authorization to use your download license and you still only get a download license from them, fuck GoG too. I can always pirate, no need to give money to a rent seeker like GoG. Pic related. Paying for digital distribution can't be justified. Don't care about physical copies? Then you should be exclusively pirating. >how dare you want something in return for your money >how dare you not give money to (((Gabe))) Eat shit Valve drone
Yeah as i said before, nobody is arguing that them going through Steam related files is shady but none of the information is earth shattering as the article says you can easily just open the localconfig.vdf file as a text file and read exactly what they would have seen which is basically nothing. If Fortnite drops off, the money its made over the last year isnt just going to vanish
Evan Green
>Because you can view it locally at your discretion means a third party company can remotely view it too without consent. Ok.
Easton King
The death of steam would be a net positive for all gamers, the fact you're so fucking stupid you cant comprehend how 30% of all revenue towards gaming is stolen by a company which does NOTHING but sit on its ass and host content is not the fault of anyone else.
Developers should get 100%, steam/epic are both cancer, but because they exist you either put your game on steam or it dies.
Fuck you all.
Nicholas Richardson
Well of course but it still would mean that Epic doesn't have a constant revenue stream.
Jaxson Sullivan
giving devs an alternative store to steam and putting competitive pressure on valve to either improve, lower their cut or start making games again(that's a joke btw, never gonna happen)
Brandon Baker
what an absolutely retarded post
Jordan Jackson
>oneangrygamer If Snapshot Games honestly believed they could have finished the game for the amount of money they got/asked for, they should have declined (especially for the people that wanted GOG keys) but having a larger budget just to change that when you click the "Phoenix Point" icon on your desktop or task bar or whatever launcher you choose its going to load up and log you into Epic instead of loading up and logging you Steam before the game starts just seems like an overall win.
It makes more sense for an indie developer to do it than a large AAA company, but in the end nobody is having a gun put to their head and forced to put their game on Epic, its because they know that launchers as they dont have game changing functions that would completely ruin a games experience if they choose the wrong launcher, but GOG if promised should always be an option and i honestly believe those that paid for GOG copies should be able to pirate DRM free versions of the game when it releases. >The ones that are actually fun, zoomer. Like? If the data was confidential, it should be encrypted. If it wasnt, that lies with Valve. Regardless, its shitty, but all companies are farming your data without your explicit consent. Yeah, but that wont be for a while
Joshua Jenkins
Just do a backlog search of all pre-2010 games. I spoon-fed you enough in this thread. If literal who indie companies and lowbrow third party developers want to just ship to Epic go ahead. Don't expect everyone to follow.
Aaron Jenkins
>pre-2010 Yeah no shit, i said games in this day and age. You got me excited for nothing, shame on you.
Austin Cooper
>Games in this day and age Why would have shit taste in "current year" games?
Charles Perez
You claimed "The ones that are actually fun, zoomer.", i thought you were going to enlighten me with some good games
Daniel Reyes
**AHEM**
>No reviews >No voice chat >No community forums >No workshop >No screenshot sharing >No wishlist >No game tags >No discovery queue >No one-click online streaming >No h-games >No music category >No software category >No video category >No linux support >No mac support >No regional pricing >No payment option variety >No marketplace >No trading cards >No trading >No user profile customization >No achievements >No controller support >No family sharing >No overlay with browser >No client skinning support >No controller-friendly mode >No local network gameplay streaming >No cloud saves >No backup feature >No adding third party games to your list >No third party key registration >No reason to use Epic Store
Do your own enlightening poindexter. I'm back to playing Red Alert 2 through CNCnet.
Jeremiah Johnson
>reviews >voice chat >workshop >screenshot sharing >wishlist >game tags >discovery queue >one-click online streaming >music category >software category >video category >linux support >mac support >marketplace >trading cards >trading >user profile customization >achievements >overlay with browser >client skinning support
>actually wanting half of that shit >actually thinking steams version is worth shit Whens the last time you skinned Steam or used the Steam video player?
Which is exactly why they are starting the store before its features are in. And he definitely is patient enough, starting a store is not something you do unless you are patient.
Jason Foster
I use the Steam Video Player to watch the anime I bought on Steam.
Evan Lewis
>We need a steam alternative! Nobody says this >FUCK UPLAY, they only offer Ubisoft games, they're not a true competitor! Nobody says this >FUCK ORIGIN, they only sell EA stuff, they're not a true competitor! Nobody says this >Epic comes along and offers fat cash to publishers to sell on their store AND takes a smaller cut than steam An unsustainable cut they themselves admitted to. A cut that doesn't benefit me, the consumer in any fashion. >OMG Epic is paying for exclusives, they're ruining the PC gaming culture! Its not the culture unique to PC gaming, just anti-competitive practice that can exist everywhere, consoles are already an example of this >OMG if it's not on steam, I'm not buying it! How dare the consumer have a preference, right? >N...no, steam isn't a monopoly, shutup Chinese Epic shill For valve to have a monopoly they'd have to own every other storefront. They're a market leader because they started first and have slowly improved the platform to be better than all the others.
You talk like you worship brands and feel deeply connected to corporations personally. All the signs of a console gamer that honestly believes exclusive games are all that matters. Not because the game is any better but simply because your opposing tribe can't play it. The only surprise with your post is the lack of goldface.
If your "mod support" ends up turning into "steam workshop", its not a feature its a fucking cyst you need to cut off. Same goes with half of that shit.
Dont bother replying unless you link to your Steam profile, i wanna see how autistic you are.
Christopher Fisher
The only potential good is giving devs a larger cut I guess, but I'm not sure if that balances out with people that do not want to use the epic store and such. Potentially competition might make steam and such fix their own issues, but that's not exactly a sure thing if they can't even manage their own shit. The exclusivity deals though are a bad cancer, as if gaming isn't going in the shitter already these days with shit full priced games loaded with microtransaction crap. Console exclusives made sense since each had a unique platform devs had to adjust to, but on PC that shit is just for the most part.
Jose Lewis
FEATURE BAD CHINESE SPYWARE GOOD
Aiden Barnes
EPIC BAD STEAM SPYWARE GOOD
Nathan Sanchez
You know Steam Workshop is bad for GOG modders, right?
Evan Martinez
No, Steam users are clueless about game modding that isnt "I can get an anime model from the workshop works fine for me :^)"
Samuel Morris
Ah, so the epic spam brigade is full of butthurt modders All makes sence
Angel Ortiz
>Release mod on Steam Workshop >Release it seperately as a downloadable package
1. Yes some modders do that, and some modders don't. 2. Some Steam mod tools only explicitly let you export your work to the workshop. There are some that don't, but it has allowed for a monopolization of game mods.
Landon Hernandez
I don't really have too much muscle mass but I am currently trying to lift 150 kilograms. Do you think I will be able to lift it? I mean I am going to try it so that must mean that I do have the muscle mass for it.
Xavier Carter
>1. Yes some modders do that, and some modders don't. So blame the modders that don't, and not the convenient platform which modders naturally prefer over releasing loose files on the internet. >Some Steam mod tools only explicitly let you export your work to the workshop. Sounds like an issue with the game, to me. Why don't you ask the developers to make something that can be freely distributed instead? Steam workshop doesn't force anyone, neither modders nor videogame developers, to use it. They simply do so, because it is a good platform, that has not been equalled anywhere else.
Matthew Bennett
Because the average consumer is retarded and doesn't actually knows what is good for him/her. They will just parrot what video game "journalist" are saying.
Another problem with workshop is if you alter things beyond what the game allowed you to, you can't put it on the workshop, making it a moot area to put up your stuff.
Workshop has never been as good as a lot of Yea Forums claims it is.
Adam Thomas
>If you add a bitcoin miner, you're not allowed to put it on the Steam workshop
I see you got radioactive superpowers that allow you to lift 150kilograms despite your muscle mass, I'd say go ahead and lift while you still have those powers buddy.
Carter Harris
That depends, man. Majoras Mask was definitely an asset flip but also one of my favorite Zelda games. I think that it seserved money.
Angel Peterson
An asset flip made from assets that were originally developed by the company that made the original assets and used them in the previous game.
>Anno 1800 >???Uplay is not a different platform???
Brayden Martinez
So that means they paid Ubisoft solely to not release on Steam. Epic must really fear the better store.
Henry Richardson
Dude the thing with Ubisoft an Anno is that people are fucking retarded. Ubisoft is, as usual, the asshole here.
"Oh, we pull back from steam and release on Epic" -> OHNONONO I am gonna preorder right now on steam! -> OHNONONO Fuck EPIC!!111 -> Dude, chill just buy it on Uplay.
They use the drama to rake in those delicious preorders on steam, benefit from the "exclusivity deal" with Epic and at the same time boost the sales in their own store, while all the retards are repeating a millionth time why EPIC is bad m'kay.
David Martin
The Linux point is the only valid one there.
Xavier Gray
user please, there's a reason why companies use "sold more than X" for a reason, it didn't sell well, but they're trying to make it sound like it did look at every other notable game this year AC7 sold 500k in Asia RE2 sold/shipped 3 million KH3 sold/shipped 5 million DMC5 sold/shipped 2 million Sekiro is doing amazing on PC, just wait a while for sales reveal meanwhile Exodus had way more marketing push and development budget and schedule, yet still refuse to show numbers, what reason could it be
Daniel Cook
>unironic shilling Fuck Hiro Fuck chinks AND FUCK JANNIES
Now here's something you chinks fail to understand. Valve doesn't have "shills". Valve has users which like its product, because it is a good product compared to all of its competitors. Unlike you, they do not need to be paid to promote Valve's work.
It’s mostly the same corporate cocksuckers that love Disney. The same cocksuckers that spend their pay check on funkopops and hookers, while they champaign female rights and pedophilla - scum. Just look at that fat piece of shit Jim Sterling.
Fun fact: the average consumer is barely aware video games “journalism” even exists. When you go buy a camera, do you pay any fucking attention to what photography magazines are saying about it? Have you ever checked around to see what the washing machine enthusiast community thinks about the washing machine you’re gonna buy?
Publications are for enthusiasts. That’s what makes the game journalism thing so funny and retarded. There’s nobody out there who is ignorant of videogames that also would bother to read anything ever printed in Kotaku.
Jose Lee
This and this, it's easy to farm (You)'s if you make an obvious b8 statement, be it shilling or rusing.
Kayden Reyes
>they're ruining the PC gaming culture! that's accurate tho
Nathaniel Price
>cringelord you must be new
Jonathan Bennett
He's just trying to win back some people by flip-flopping.
Bentley Stewart
JUST
Nolan Jackson
And console gamers that don't understand how PCs, PC Gaming, and the PC community functions.
And anti-corporation people that don't realize how terrible it would be if Epic was the dominant platform on PC. The quality of the PC gaming experience would drop by 80% overnight. And you'd still have a massive corporation controlling things.
Dumbfucks.
Zachary Torres
Thats not steam taking your game you stupid cunt Thats deep silver
Ayden Jenkins
Doesn't mean it's ok to give them even more money then. The Engine is fine, just their store politics is bad. With their aggressive behavior they are not going to get a positive image. In most countries this behaviour is seen as very very bad, and by this Epic already has become a bad image even by normalfags.
Jose Torres
Physical copies of a game don't give you any more rights to what you've bought. There's no real difference that separates digital distribution; only what you perceive.
Nicholas Reed
>in what circumstances would a customer believe what Epic is doing in the PC space is overall good for them? Someone who is only used to consoles and the pants on head retarded way they do things
David Rodriguez
Plus it's not even talking about Redux (To my knowledge, the better received version) It's talking about OG Last Light. Sounds like a statement carefully worded to sound as impressive at first glance as possible.
Adam Hall
>I'm a little confused, in what circumstances would a customer believe what Epic is doing in the PC space is overall good for them?
In the "Epic is paying me to shill" space:
Thomas Reyes
Many games only have mods because of Steam Workshop. It promotes publishers to request it from devs, because it helps finding their game.
Camden Lee
And many games have gutted mod support due to the steam workshop, the game credited with creating the workshop (Garrys Mod) suffered due to how policed and limited the Workshop is
This thread reminds me that PC gamers really need a separate forum. Pretty much 95% of Epic shills are console gamers that have no idea how PCs themselves, or the PC community functions. They just want PCs to suffer through exclusives the way they do. It's like a bunch of women who want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.
Noah Baker
Agreeing with yourself is lame
Christopher Hall
Alone that both those posts are using Facebook/Plebbit tier meme images, is proof enough that you are the same person. Yet alone by IP count. Go back to Tim and continue sucking his dick, you dumb corporate whore.
Colton Torres
I don't understand why people think is the competition, or muh steam loyalty that we're pissed about. Is the exclusivity and anti-consumer practices they're employing that people are pissed about. Competition is good for the consumer, what Epic is doing is not competing at all and forcing low tier normies to give in and buy in their store. It's very anti consumer. I like steam, but I hate exclusivity. Games should be released on all platform and we the consumer decide where to buy. When the consumer has the power of choice, prices will be better and so will the experience. Epic is trying to monopolize. Steam didn't create the monopoly, we did by choosing to buy there. Epic has the right to release their own shit on their store, I couldn't care less about that, but this bribery garbage they're doing is not good and it's a slippery slope for worse trends. As if the gaming industry is not horrible as it is.
The funny thing is that this is an attempt at Epic trying to hold a piece of the market because Fortnite is bleeding users. They're a bunch of untalented hacks that've gotten lucky with normies in recent years. Fortnite will go down, the Epic store will as well, and all these retards buying there will be stuck with a shitty client/chinese spyware and their 3 game collection.
Imagine being that retard that puts trust and spends money on a US retailer owned by a Chinese company that does whatever the fuck the Chinese government tells them to.
What's happening is that with the availability of pre-builts and normie youtubers showing off RGB, pc has attracted a shitload of normies and it's a huge market share so now we're gonna start getting the garbage console plebs are used to eating. Watch them come out with "PCPluS, Now with """"FREE""" games for $50 a year!!" You can even play with your friends only for only $50 a year, what are you POOR? Its free games too, not like they're going away if you don't pay up or something
