WoW Classic

>decisions actually matter
What decisions? The choice of picking Armorsmith or Weaponsmith? Choosing one of the three leatherworking paths?

Agamand Mills in Tirisfal Glades

maximum comfy pic

Then why bring Classic back at all? You've already played it, and you can play it with private servers FOR FREE instead of paying Blizzard.

Tell me, What is the point?

>undead

>in barrens

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obviously classic will be a stabler and overall better and true to the original server, with no chance of corrupted gm's etc.

Barrens is great, why not? Silverpine Forest is the most overrated zone in the game.

>Tell me, What is the point?
servers that actually stay up and aren't controlled by drama queens.

stop coping this hard user. Nostalrius showed that vanilla was just a superior version even though it was completely unbalanced and easy compared to 2005.

Classic will die when the niggers at blizz will make an expansion that isn't complete trash.

Btw even if they retain only 20% of players after 6 months that's more than what they were able to do with bfa lmao

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fixed loot tables and proper boss fights/raids

I only played a couple of weeks of beta and the first free month before being completely over WoW. the thing I remember most was challenging people to a duel, mind controlling them, and walking them off a cliff to their death. I wonder if that will make a comeback.

>blizz will make an expansion that isn't complete trash

lmao

>Classic will die when the niggers at blizz will make an expansion that isn't complete trash.
what is with your guys' constant doom and gloom with classic?? do you really have it in your barinlet minds that blizzard is just gonna say lol we're abandoning modern wow and shutting it down?? the old and new can coexist and blizzard has been doing it with all their games for 20 years.

Get to 60 so you can hang out in blackrock mountain and mind control the healers and tanks of the various pugs coming through on their way to brd/brs, then run them into the lava.

Looking forward to playing a nelf qt desu

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guys guys guys

We're... we're going... we're going home...

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or MC people in booty bay so they miss the boats or jump off the dock and swim all the way down

classic trolling at its finest

it fucking better because that's the sole reason I'm playing priest. I'm just gonna sit on the boat to booty bay all day flinging cunts off it right before the loading screen

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Stay mad nostalgia fag, Legion was the best expansion since TBC, i will be happy playing both retail and classic and being better at both then you since only complete casuals are the ones who ever quit the game

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>need to get to ratchet for STV flightpath anyway
>ashenvale, walk to desloace through stonetalon mountains
>direct access to thunderbluff

you need to get to the barrens and crossroads regardless

You only say that because legion came after WoD.

soon bros, soon

also fuck gnomes, and fuck minmaxers

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If vanilla is successful I could see them making a expansion that tries to imitate vanilla

Same. Can't wait to be a huge slut and blow all the qts in the guild in whispers during raids.

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And then it's going to release and after a short while die down, yes. And no more of these shitty threads.

If you look carefully you can barely make out a Shadowmelded Night Elf hunter ready to gank unsuspecting passerby.

Hasn't like 99% of the population quit? That doesn't make me a casual it makes you a poopsocker

Adding flying to this game was the greatest disaster.

>Quest in Silverpine
>Run out of level appropriate quests by level 14, everything else is lvl 20+ group quests for SFK or. the gnoll island

>Legion was the best expansion since TBC
Wow, it's literally nothing

>he thinks there will be less threads after vanilla releases than right now
oh boy

Getting a mount at 40 was like getting your driver's license: you felt absolutely free.

Based.

Enjoy running the same bullshit for months. And leveling 5 alts or so and experience stale content.

I'm real close to chubbing please post more

this reminds me of what I use to do in Planetside (the first one). I made a character called Volcano Tours Ltd. and I would fill up a Galaxy (troop transport) fly over the volcano on that one map and eject everyone into the lava. half a dozen team kills and no grief points!

It will die down after 2 months though. This isnt 2005 anymore. There are guides online for this game it's been blown wide open. Just like Everquest.

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>Needs a constant stream of new content to keep his childlike mind occupied

Fuckin lmao, I will enjoy that, as will millions of others.

>It will die down after 2 months though. This isnt 2005 anymore.
m8 look at Runescape

Resilience gear, cross server BG's, constant talent nerfs, overemphasizing daily quest grinds and literally destroying the old zones in Cataclysm is what ruined WoW. Not flying mounts.

Fuck that's amazing. I used to go onto severs using this map for Jedi Academy (RP servers worked best) usually everyone would sit around this arena watching duels in the center, I'd slowly walk around kicking them all off into the lava. Sometimes admins would freeze me, not realizing you could still jump kick while frozen, and while they were lecturing me i'd kick them into the lava too.

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M-MASAKA

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OSRS still gets updated like a new game

Right, meanwhile their 'new' game RS3 is floundering. Sound familiar?

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fuck yeah that's literally the area i always think of from starting wow

>I wish Tirisfal was real

I always wondered where the visual inspiration for the Plaguelands was from. There are a lot of fantasy tropes in WoW, but entire zones that show off ecological decay is kind of unique.

No. Current WoW is the most popular MMORPG in the world and Blizzard is relevant because of it. There's no reason or indication to think Classic WoW will be popular for anything longer than a month or two.

Agree to disagree then

how do you know that when they no longer report player counts? lmao

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>blizz will make an expansion that isn't complete trash

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Haven't followed this game since it was announced. Is Blizzard fucking it up yet?

Who remembers this classic?

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I'll need you to jog my memory

Funny. I'm not really familiar with WoW so forgive my ignorance but I have researched it a lot and my understanding is you can view player counts on various servers. For example, realmpop.com/us.html

You will be able to see the Classic server population dwindle over time?

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Any more will get me b&

lmao I fapped to this so many times

I
AM
SO
HYPED
FOR
COMFY
LEVELING

How many players would you consider 'not being popular'?

I would compare the popularity of the Classic server(s) to the others and note the difference over time.

Well of course it's going to peak and decline like anything does

STOP QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT

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imagine being such a dependent junkie that you need to broadcast your addiction online?

get help.

>Total characters
>Not online players

Hoo boy, what are they afraid of? Stop seething retailfag, i'm sure the ten players left on your server after classic launches will still appreciate all the hard work you put into your bikini transmog

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Good shit.

Can you fags stop saying "It wont be the same!"? We all know it wont be the same, but it will still be a hundred times better than the new "participation award" era of WoW.
I just wanna play an MMORPG again where I actually have to talk with people instead of solo-leveling for the entire time.

It will become unpopular compared to the popular WoW realms. Peak and decline do not matter.

You sound scared

no chinese gold farmers

why would you want to replay a game you played 15 years ago wtf

knowing what kind of degenerates that are part of the WoW fandom I can guess what this is

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God damn I'd gladly go hike at that place. Early morning stonetalon was great with the in-game sun glazing the land

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You must be really desperate for free bumps..... WoW is a game that survives sheerly on its pleb fanbase being drip fed new content. Classic WoW is nothing more than "new" old content that will dry up quickly because there's no xpacs to continue drip feeding you with. Can't wait actually.

All the people I know who are hyped for this are the most pathetic people I've ever met. Burger flippin 25 - 30 year olds. It's sad really. They are hyped for this because they stood still while life moved on.

>He thinks Silverpine was good for questing
Sure, it was comfy but the quests aren't good. Plus as a Rogue you have to go there anyway

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Why wouldn't you? Imagine having no games you love so much you enjoy playing them over and over again. Do you even fucking enjoy video games? Why do you think snes/sega/etc minis are selling like crazy these days? Fucking zoomers.

It’s was MMO addict garbage then and it’s MMO garbage now.

I get the impression the majority of people excited for this never actually played it.

>I need constant stimulation for my childlike mind to enjoy something

fucking lol

youtube.com/watch?v=k84QxVJd0tI

everyone who could've possibly wanted to play it has had 5 chances at this point

I have only ever played the low-level areas of WoW. I was much deeper into "Guild wars" at the time, but I feel like I missed out on something so I am happy to give Vanilla WoW a second try.

I remember waiting for new pages and eventually forgetting it even existed it was updated so rarely
Then again it might be just my teenager brain talking and my "rarely" was like once a month or something

Just an innocent elf girl trying to make a living.

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WoWfags do, yes. That's why the game is so inordinately popular around anything new happening and so dead after. You need to be constantly drip fed new content. Not everyone is like this but WoWfags epitomize it. It's because their game is so fucking boring the only thing that can make it exciting is something new.

TBC>Vanilla>Wrath>MoP>Legion>Cata>WoD>BFA

I'd love to go back , back to the past......

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It's almost as if modern WoW is a terrible game and people want to play its original incarnation when it was still fun huh?

t. TBC babbie

Thats because you can play through the new content in WoW-addons in a month, so why keep the subscription running if there is nothing for you to do? In the time it takes you to level one character to 60 in Vanilla you would have already seen literally everything there is to offer in BFA.

Vanilla > TBC > MoP = Wrath > Cata > WoD > Ilidan WoD > Boat WoD

based

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Based and blizzpilled.

don't worry breh you aren't forced to play it.
But me and my brehs? We're going home

Nah. TBC objectively improved on Vanilla. WPVP retards and m-muh community fags need not reply

Everything TBC did became the foundations for all future design decisions which ended up ruining the game.

there's a reason tbc servers always flop, king's honor friendo

>Anyone with objectively right arguments on why this expansion is terrible don't reply to me

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If we're making that braindead argument then the entirety of wow became the foundations for the downfall of the mmo genre

fuck off

lolno. The original incarnation may have been better in some tangible way but ultimately you little WoWbabbys still constantly whined about wanting more content and so more xpacs kept coming and coming.
You can play new content through quickly because the game being too hard drives the casuals away. The casuals are the only reason why your shit game is even popular.

Tirisfal Glades? Come to like, anywhere in Canada. East coast more likely.

>lolno. The original incarnation may have been better in some tangible way but ultimately you little WoWbabbys still constantly whined about wanting more content and so more xpacs kept coming and coming.

How does that disprove modern WoW being shit?

>You can play new content through quickly because the game being too hard drives the casuals away.

And the game being too easy drives the hardcore crowd away. The same crowd that is excited to play Vanilla WoW again. WoW over the years has definitely lost more players than gained new ones and most of that is to blame on the "everyone's a winner" approach that blizzard has for the game.

TBC is hard to script

>alleviating the annoyance of faggot gankers
>ganking suddenly stopped with flying mounts
>community still very strong unless playing on useless dead servers

They're stupid arguments. Only retards like Kuguen think flying mounts effected anything poorly in TBC. Flying started becoming a bad thing when zones like Storm Peaks were introduced. World PvP was still very much a thing even with flying mounts

Can't wait to create my Shaman Tauren and fucking support you all fucking faggots so we all have a good time.
You've been warned.

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>How does that disprove modern WoW being shit?
What makes you think I'm trying to disprove that? I'm not. Classic WoW is shit. Modern WoW is shit.
>And the game being too easy drives the hardcore crowd away
The hardcore crowd makes up a tiny fraction of the population. The quote chain you're replying to is discussing the popularity of the game. Do you need me to explain anything else to you about how conversations work?

As much as people clown Jagex the osrs team at least understands how to keep a game alive. It's also, presumably, much easier to make new content for osrs. I would be very surprised if blizzard actively develops two branches of wow hand in hand.

user...

silverpine sucks

How about you just play on a PVE server if you don't like ganking, retard

But now that the game is more casual than ever it's also less popular than ever
Weird, huh

Community I can understand as LFG/R wasn't implemented yet, but flying was bullshit. As much as I enjoyed flying up to pussies like you, hitting you off your mount and slow falling to safety, it got old quick.

Listen you fucking cute shaman I hope you drop my Warrior Windfury at 30.
I'm also going to go Tauren because I don't care about min/max

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Did anyone like the barrens?

>What makes you think I'm trying to disprove that? I'm not. Classic WoW is shit. Modern WoW is shit.

Then what are you even trying to say? That WoW is bad because people wanted new content for it? That's a garbage ass argument.

>The hardcore crowd makes up a tiny fraction of the population.

Yes, obviously. The game hasn't been developed for hardcore players since the burning crusade, so why would they still hang around? Do I need to explain "cause and effect" to you?

Yes

>Shaman Tauren
>not Tauren Shaman
looks like you never played vanilla!

Reminder that Berserking usage is inconsequential in PVE as a healer and you'll clear with or without it and it's straight up meme in PVP.
Reminder that enhancement will get kited 24/7 and is only worth playing for leveling reasons.
Reminder that Axe Specialisation isn't even going to come into the equation because enhancement is literally retri spec of the horde and other classes do Nightfall botting better.
Reminder enhancement won't get to use Stormstrike in raids because it takes up a debuff slot.
Reminder flame shock does too.
Reminder that even if you do get into raids you will be on a literal 0 spell rotation just auto attacking.
Reminder that you'll never get to use Blood Fury because you'll be healing in raids and in PVP you're literally mortal striking yourself which is dumb as shit on a class that specs into healing itself.
Reminder that Hardiness is your only saving grace as a ele/resto Shaman.
Reminder that an AOE disable on a class which completely lacks disables is high value.
Face it. Taurens are as good as Orc Shamans.

Oh, I never did play vanilla, this is my first time, I actually knew I fucked up once I re-read it. You got me

i'm going warrior user..

Plus Taurens look pretty fucking cool!

Not my argument and I enjoy WPvP. I'm saying flying didn't affect it as much as vanilla retards say it did

>people who didn't want to be ganked having the option to stun and fly away is a bad thing
>complains because he can't trinket or counter in the time it takes for them to leave combat and pull off a 3 second cast

You overestimate the amount of people who could afford flight training before 70 and after

The game was already dying. They brought far more players in over time with casualization than they lost. If you're saying casualization killed WoW you're picking the worst possible example in video game history. It's possibly the single greatest example of casualization success in PC gayming history and quite possibly the cancer killing vidya. Everyone copies stuff WoW did and things are worse as a result of it.

>Then what are you even trying to say? That WoW is bad because people wanted new content for it? That's a garbage ass argument.
This is what happens when you don't actually read the comments and thus have no clue what the conversation is about. I'm not making any argument about WoW being good. I'm saying Classic WoW will die because its playerbase needs to be drip fed new content.
>The game hasn't been developed for hardcore players since the burning crusade, so why would they still hang around? Do I need to explain "cause and effect" to you?
No you need to learn to read you fucking retard.

Yes?

Already dying when? It peaked in subscribers in like TBC or Wrath

Wont really play classic, but I do hope it succeeds better than BfA did.
If only so I can eventually play on a non shit tbc server.
TBC private servers are a fucking joke.

Mad zoomer/faggot that missed classic so he doesn't get to re experience it and every time he sees a thread he gets depressed

You seem to confuse "needs to be dripfed content" with "wanting new content". You are actually calling the community stupid for wanting more of something they enjoy, lmao.

>Flying started becoming a bad thing when zones like Storm Peaks were introduced. World PvP was still very much a thing even with flying mounts
Are you really expecting zoomers who are parroting their favorite streamers to have actually played back then and really know how flying mounts affected pvp?

A ridiculous amount of us WILL be enjoying it. That's the best part. All that old content is leagues more enjoyable than anything out right now.

>The game was already dying
wut?

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I'm not really trying to make the point that the game is dying. The person I replied to implied casualization killed it. It clearly didn't. It had 10 million subs in 2014. Unless you think 2014 was peak hardcore WoW scene then I guess I dunno I thought you hardcore WoWcasuals liked the game much before that time.

wotlk was casualization and also when the game plateaued.

Never played the game before.
For people who are hyped for classic WoW, when do you think the game peaked? The most common answers seem to be Burning Crusade and WorLK.

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>tfw never return to the good old days of sitting around while the guild leader screamed at everyone for wiping to gorefiend in black temple

>10 mil in 2014
See Wrath was the last nail fro the "hardcore" audience and it's been hemorrhaging subs ever since

I didn't like TBC much, but at least it was still the same game at its core. Wrath was an abomination.

the game peaked with the conclusion of the lich king storyline, but at that point the end had already began

Vanilla because I quit in TBC

it had 10m subs in 2014 because of the wod spike
the attitude was "oh shit old school wow is back" because of the old characters returning and a bunch of people came back, then immediately left

Ultima Online is where that genre peaked and died at the same time, your game in normie tier shit.

same, haven't touched the game since, vanilla was the last time it actually felt like Warcraft.

FUCK WRATH
FUCK MOP
FUCK WOD
FUCK LEGION
FUCK BFA

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tbc has good classes and terrible everything else, the raid design philosophy sucked, the dungeon design philosophy sucked, the zones are all vomit

the correct way to play tbc is clear kara then quit for a year to skip awful tier 5/6 until 2.4 when blizzard pulled their heads out of their asses then start clearing bt

The burning crusade was a straight improvement for the most part. Some people say that flying mounts ruined the community aspect, but first of all flying mounts were expensive as shit back then so not everyone had it and second of all you could only fly in certain areas.

WotLK is when the casualization started and when every raid was beaten within a few days at most.

I'm not sure that chart is entirely accurate. According to sources WoW had 10 million subs in November 2014. The population was immense between 2010-2015. Casualization does not in any way explain the decline. Casualization seems to have quite clearly made and maintained the game's popularity for a long time as well as been part of its peak popularity.

those numbers are from blizzard themselves before they stopped reporting sub numbers publicly after the huge drop in subs immediately after the 10m spike
when the game followed a different design philosophy early on, the subs did nothing but rise, even when it was 5 years old

>tfw Jack made it
and we will too

So if the game made it all the way to burning crusade, how much content is that?
Enough to entertain people for a couple of years?

i played at release and for a number of years. people aren't the same as they were in 2004 and it will be completely shit.

WoW casualized the MMO genre and made it 'accessible' to normies. Before that a game having 20k players wasn't a bad thing and considered normal. An MMO doesn't need over 1m players to be successful and is typically a shitter MMO experience if it does. I wish this game never got made and I could be playing with other autistic retards rather than normalfags.

Blizzard reported over 10 million subs on November 2014 so that chart definitely isn't entirely accurate. Between 2010-2015 they had somewhere around 10-12 million subs. I would not describe this time period with decline. Business was booming.

Source on 10 mil investor.activision.com/static-files/abbbf676-c4ef-4351-a090-e4ad5ded1093

You keep saying it's not casualization and while correlation does not equal causation, there is clear correlation there
>Casualization seems to have quite clearly made and maintained the game's popularity
How "quite clearly"? Explain how you made that conclusion from those numbers

>Enough to entertain people for a couple of years?
Yep

You're just making claims.

>People aren't the same as they were in 2004
And why are you implying this can only mean bad things?
You are fucking right, shit changed, but that doesn't mean people can't enjoy the game for what it is.
A lot of people quit back in the Cataclysm days, maybe even before that and haven't played the game for a decade now, and a lot of people also want to try out the game for the first time, even if they know it won't be exactly the same.
People in here just want to enjoy their fucking game, let them have it in peace.

It does now
It was a different time when DAOC was considered a giant success for selling 50k copies in the first week
Now the publishers put in tens of millions into development and expect hundreds of millions in return

>tfw being able to re-experience vanilla wow for the first time again
>talent trees
>gold was important (saving 100g for a mount was a big deal, getting your talents right was important because respecs were expensive)
>world pvp
>skill > gear (otherguy, drakedog, world of roguecraft)
>no death knights
>shaman and paladin are in the factions they belong
>pvp ranks
>AV's objectives actually mattered
>no arena
>no flying mounts
>socializing
>no lfg or cross realm trash
>no quick travel
>lore hasnt gone down to the shitter yet
>cool quests like the mount quest and rogue pick lock quest
>no daily quests
>no pet battles
>40 man raids (that actually require coordination)
>no multiple raid difficulties
>5 mans actually felt like real dungeons
>no more data mining
>way more skills to utilize
>no e-shop
>no archeology
>no achievements
>reagents
>no vehicles
>no transmog so people don't run around in retarded clownsuits that break immersion
>armor design wasn't garbage that belonged in an anime
>exploration
>world felt dangerous
>professions were fun, unique, and useful
>no blood elves, draenei, worgen, pandashit or goblins
>b-b-but no one wants it
>nost peaked higher than retail
Pure kino

It's a different kind of casualization. In WoTLK they made it more accessible to people who don't play MMOs. After that they kept chasing the 'facebook mom' demographic who doesn't even play games. For whatever reason they keep simplifying the game for an audience that doesn't exist, while alienating their core demographic.

I started playing MMOs in 1998 with UO, I was a hardcore PVPer, had a tower on Atlantic, etc... later played EQ, also played briefly in DAOC, Lineage, and SWG.

I think the original iteration of WoW (specifically I think it peaked in patch 1.9) had a really perfect balance of accessibility. It was more accessible, but not to the point that it felt like it was spoonfeeding you, as it did in the expansions. The problem is that Blizzard saw that accessibility made their game successful, and seemingly made the conclusion that more accessible = more popular, which is a lot like a chef saying "this sprinkle of salt made the food taste better, so I should pour the whole can on". They didn't understand that there is a sweet spot. Every expansion became more and more retard-proof and it damaged the experience.

Help me lads. Do I go human mage or dwarf hunter? I plan on being more of a solo player, so not much endgame raiding.

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>investor.activision.com/static-files/abbbf676-c4ef-4351-a090-e4ad5ded1093
At December 31, 2014, the global subscriber*
base for World of Warcraft was over 10 million, compared to approximately
7.4 million subscribers at September 30, 2014, and approximately 7.8 million subscribers at December 31, 2013.

it was december 2014, which coincides with the graph

The game's all time peak was between 2010-2015. This is also a time period heavily associated with casualization of the game. Vanilla and TBC are often cited as "hardcore" WoW. The game also had far fewer subs then. At no point does it seem casualization decreased playerbase rather the opposite.
'no' see
>World of Warcraft reached over 10 million subscribers and for 10 years has remained
the leading subscription-based MMORPG in the world
This is a quote from their quarterly report. They cannot lie to their investors.

>WoW casualized the MMO genre
And? How's that change the fact Wrath took it further? Did you quote the wrong post or something?

you do know theres classic wow privates out there ?
Fucking hilarious blizzdrone.

The chart shows well under 10 million subs until after 2015. In any case none of this disproves anything I said. Casualization clearly did not kill WoW it helped it a lot.

The game's all time peak was between 2010 and 2011 and retard
Or 2004 and 2011 if you wanna be clever about it

read the words it literally describes the spike 7.8 to 10m
the sub count is has been in a linear decline since the end of wrath, which coincidentally is when they were taken over by activision

Nah the 10 people that actually play it will be to busy to post here. At least for a few months

Me neither.
I wish they would give us a specific release date so I can start planning my guild.

Clearly it didn't since it was under 10 million before a spike and then crashed again and then kept plummeting until another spike and another crash and further plummeting
You're full of shit, dude

idk if you'd call it casualization but attempts to update/overhaul the game in wrath/cata were certainly disastrous

'yes'
>I'm not sure that chart is entirely accurate.
is your opinion
> According to sources WoW had 10 million subs in November 2014.
>according to sources
is unsourced
>The population was immense between 2010-2015.
is unsourced
>Casualization does not in any way explain the decline.
is conjecture
>Casualization seems to have quite clearly
is opinion
> made and maintained the game's popularity for a long time as well as been part of its peak popularity.
is unsourced

your whole post is bullshit, you could literally boil it down to "I think casualization was good" without losing a single bit of information.

We're going home

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>AV's objectives actually mattered
I'm sorry

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youtube.com/watch?v=2z29Rk8814w

Human mage is pure class kino

Is it futa can I have source?

You're being pedantic. My point is that casual WoW was clearly more popular than the old pre-casual WoW era.
WoW's most dominant time period was when it was full of casualization. I'm not talking about the single largest spike in playerbase I'm talking about the time period. Do you understand the difference?
Another retard who can't read the thread properly. I already sourced it.

I never played WoW. OSRS is better.

> I already sourced it.
After the fact. It was true when I said it, and it's true now. That post was entirely pointless.

i miss the battles being a few days long

blizzard.gamespress.com/THE-INVASION-OF-THE-IRON-HORDE-HAS-BEGUN-WARLORDS-OF-DRAENOR-PRELAUNCH
>7.4 million as of September 30, 2014

This.
I don't even care that I probably won't have enough time to get to Naxx, I just want to be in the world again.
I'm thinking Mage with Enchanting and Tailoring. I can get good enough gear through the AH with the kind of revenue stream you can get from enchanting, porting, and bag crafting.

i pick herbs the majority of av

Adults are talking about video games. Not your flash based browser trash.

>OSRS is better.
No it isn't.
Unless you are still running a Pentium 2 still, its just simply not at all better.

WoW's most dominant period was from WotLK to launch of Cata

i bully herb hippies
>nice almost full picking action bar
>shame if something
>interrupted
>it

Could you just tell me what point you think you're making rather than randomly quoting numbers? At various points between 2010-2015, WoW has had utterly insane sub counts. That shows that casualization has made their game more popular, not less popular. Nothing you posted will ever counter that fact.

Because in 2004 people played to interact with eachother, because the game was shit. Nobody wants to interact anymore, ergo, its not an mmo. It's just vanilla wow with people near eachother.

You would know that's totally false if you played on private servers for even 10 levels.

why are you typing in asthma
how fat do you have to be for your breathing to affect your typing?

The argument is if casualization killed WoW. It clearly didn't. The Vanilla, TBC, "hardcore" era had less subs and saw smaller peaks than the post casualization WoW era. wotlk-mop saw peaks between 10-12 million subs. Prior to then the most the game was was several million less.

>WoW
>an adult game in any way
okay buddy

I want to play a Night Elf but I don't want to play a druid and all the other class options are suboptimal

What do

>wotlk-mop
Only WotLK. Because it wasn peak and end of the story of classical Warcraft (WC1-3).

This, I don't even play on them anymore and still regularly talk to many of the players I met on Nost are we're all hyped for classic. Seething retailfags btfo

mop saw 10 million subs. that's an awful lot of subs for a game that supposedly killed wow with casualization. those are right around tbc peaks.

You can literally follow their earnings call quarter to quarter here mmo-champion.com/content/4219-WoW-Down-to-6-8-Million-Subscribers
That graph that was posted earlier is literally a screencap of a graph they update every call
Here's Q2 2015 mmo-champion.com/threads/1832282-WoW-Down-to-5-6-Million-Subscribers
Here's Q1 2015 mmo-champion.com/content/4878-WoW-Down-to-7-1-Million-Subscribers
Here's Q4 2014 mmo-champion.com/content/4694-WoW-Stable-at-10-Million-Subscribers

>OSRS
>F2P trash full of literal children

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>WPVP
>Community
The only time I ever talked to anyone was either when I partied up with someone for WPVP or maybe rarely in a dungeon. Either case is pretty rare actually.

This facade that's been going around that everyone will always be talking in Vanilla is a bit odd. Not everyone is a social butterfly or attention whore.

Go Nelf hunter
shadowmeld is actually a decent racial as a hunter

For a month.

I would love continuing, but m+ is impossible without friends and no one communicates in live wow except when throwing shit at someones face

Vanilla and TBC were non-stop growth, it flatlined in WotLK and started a downward spiral shortly into Cata
MoP never got past 10 million, which TBC got to and kept only going up

>Going from fucking Teldrassil to Westfall on foot for Deadmines.
I really miss having to actually put in work to get around the world.

>Q3 2013
Meant 2014 obviously

>nost peaked higher than retail
I’m going home too but just no.

WotLK was losing tons of subs while simultaneously attracting tons of new players. Look at Vanilla and TBC's exponential sub growth while WotLK was a slow uphill growth even during the peak of its notoriety from like 2007-2011.

>saw smaller peaks
I see no peaks though, just a non-stop uphill lol

>I literally can't fuck
we know

>implying a sub fee makes a better game
how's BfA working out for you?

tauren woman welcome undead refugees

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Probably because a vast majority of players didn't raid and didn't ever want to, then in Wrath all the content more or less shoved them into it.

christ, the dungeons were so bad in wrath

>auto attack still on action bars

what, you didn't like having your entire tank rotation on one hotkey and literally being able to sleep through a dungeon and wake up after everyone left?

Wouldn't know, haven't touched the game since TBC, doesn't change the fact OSRS is still full of actual children that fall for hilariously transparent scams on a daily basis, doubling money, trimming armour etc. are memes for a reason. Because decades later the fan base hasn't gotten any smarter.

>hownewareyou.jpeg

i literally am currently remembering charging critters for speed

>tfw have a serious itch to play on a private server
>don't want to burn myself out by the time Classic comes out
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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the difference is, scams are allowed in runescape, whereas they're bannable in WoW. You don't think all the mouthbreathing retards in WoW are any better and would trade their armor to other people for 'upgrades' if it wasnt bound?

yeah
I don't
remember
typing like
you've asthma
ever
being a
thing
here

want a free 60 to mess around on? Only got Elysium characters though and it's on life support.

There's retrowow that just let's you roll a lv60 to mess about with

I'm feeling the same way. I stopped playing LH + retro as soon as the final FRESH was announced. I really miss it.

No, the difference is the game's free and little kids without jobs can play it.

you're fucking retarded.

true but on retro you have to deal with a bunch of scrubs that bought full T3 and MoM's

literally nobody but bots plays osrs f2p. If you somehow think having a subscription fee is a retard or maturity filter, you might be extremely new or significantly autistic to the point of not noticing anything about the players around you.

>no transmog so people cant run around in clown suits
so you've never played classic OR tbc? good to know

Ok? That's nice. The lack of a downvote button wasn't just an oversight, keep it to yourself.

>Going from fucking Teldrassil to Westfall on foot for Aquatic Form

Fixed

I'll take your word for it, I don't personally play browser based point and click garbage. But hey, if you're enough of a brainlet to enjoy something like that more power to ya bud!

The point is that you actually know how much of a threat/pimp someone is just by looking at them.

>Playing a NELF Druid.
Typical.
You gotta play a Priest, and larp as a convert of some human priest who "showed you the light".

I don't play it and I don't play WoW anymore. I think it's funny that you have a superiority complex about playing WoW though. As if it's a game that requires a significant amount of thought or planning, or hell, even reaction time. Actually feel kind of sorry for you in a way.

What do you think you're proving wrong, exactly? My point is that casual WoW has been a boon to the game. The data you posted only proves my point. You're being an utter pedant about the specifics of numbers that do not change the point being made whatsoever.
Vanilla's "growth" was ultimately much less than the period of wotlk. Wasn't wotlk supposed to be casual WoW? Can't get a straight answer out of you Wowbabbs.

The fuck else you gonna be? A filthy tauren?

Awww, well it's cute you think about me so much, I'm flattered user, I really don't give a fuck about you though and It certainly requires a hell of a lot more thought then OSRS, but hey keep mindlessly grinding those stats! I'm sure it takes way more co-ordination and concentration.

I literally can't fucking wait to see this shitass game tank
>1.12
fuck blizzard, fuck activision, fuck WoW and fuck these overhyped blizzdrone threads

>and It certainly requires a hell of a lot more thought then OSRS
all mmos are shite now

Keep talking like that and I will stomp your sorry ass back where you belong boy.

The data I posted proves completely wrong

there is nothing more cuck then playing PVE as a undead rogue

healers will go out of their way to not heal you because "dude you have cannibalism"

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How do you know what the game is about if you've never played it before?

>I don't play it and I don't play WoW anymore
reading comprehension man. And, well, what is the difference between someone grinding stats and someone grinding for new gear every content cycle on the gear treadmill. Nothing, really.

It's not in any way a patricians game and destroyed the genre.

Fuck, i love Stonetalon Mountains. That pic is comfy, thanks for sharing.

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stop feeding the troll you fucking idiot

Can't get more disingenuous that this

The chart shows vanilla never had as many players as MoP even at its peak, TBC at its absolute peak was barely if even at the level of wotlk all throughout and up into cataclysm.
Proves what wrong? The game was most popular in its casual period. Nothing you posted proves that wrong and that's my point. Casualization helped WoW more than it hurt it.
no u

>Awww, well it's cute

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I'm so excited and I don't even know what class to choose. They're all so fucking beautiful. It's coming down to a tie between warrior and warlock.

Guys, we're almost home.

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man i just dont give a shit any more

Learn to read, dumbo

I read it and it says you're retarded

That's a month of more subs than Vanilla or TBC ever had

Should have learned to read

one month

Mists of Pandaria Before Siege of Orgrimmar

I loved vanilla wow, but I don't think there will be a game that will top osrs.

I did and it says you're retarded
wotlk and cataclysm did better than le hardcore wow

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Silverpine was shit though

I am torn between warlock and mage, I played mage in vanilla. I can`t wait to waste my life all over again.

So good it killed the game, praise casualization

if it killed the game then why were two casual xpacs more popular than the hardcore ones?

stop feeding the troll you moron

Just look at that pic you posted, where are all the subs in the future?

nobody likes wow anymore. your point failed to prove a link between casualization because the game was most popular when it was casualized.

>Did better
Look at Vanilla and TBC's growth compared to Wrath's stagnation. You were probably too young to remember but people were leaving in droves when Wrath was current while being simultaneously being replaced by new players. Hence the term "Wrathbaby"

That's weird though, why does nobody like WoW anymore if casualization made it more popular than ever

I can't fucking decide. Druid or Priest!?

It was most popular during its casual phase. It doesn't matter if it had more growth prior. It was less popular prior. Now do you understand why you're retarded?
Because they got sick of playing WoW? I dunno why you would ever play the game in the first place. It's complete and utter shit.

You people are aware that they're going to fill this shit to the brim with microtransactions and destroy every memory you had?

I don't understand why people are excited for an outdated game with old content? I played day 1, I remember it was amazing when I first started playing. However, the game grew stale, so I made alts. The journey was fun no doubt but why do people want to try to relive an outdated era that they have already seen? Is this really selling on nostalgia and zoomers that want to see what the fuss was all about?

I really do not think classic is for people who played vanilla but people who never did and want to see all the hubub. To someone that played vanilla and is going to play classic can you tell me why you want to play old content that aged like milk. Yes it was better than what we have now, but that's not saying much since BfA is a shit show, much like half the expansions.

>he wants to go back even earlier when almost all the classes were garbage
nice

it takes the consumer some time to catch up to the market? People didn't realize the game was shit yet? The casualization had yet to reach the tipping point where people leave?

I quit in TBC because I felt like the grand adventures I'd had all through vanilla had been boiled down to sitting in town or doing repeatable quests. Stopped feeling like a world and more like a grind... or a craft

But by all reason as time goes on and the game gets more casualized it should only get more popular
Isn't that your whole thesis?
This is all starting to sound very suspect, man

because modern mmos are literally so bad we want to rewind the genre 15 years.

>doesn't recognize based sparrow

Oh right, dailies were a thing. Fuck that shit.

This almost kills it for me as well.

>It's complete and utter shit.
and yet here you are defending it to the grave...

Essentially all of the private servers have been 1.12. Nobody gives a fuck.

Zoomers will not stand it for more than an hour. Vanilla WoW is the polar opposite of fortnite

>quest after 7 pm in silverpine
>all those fucking mobs turn into elite sons of arugal and roam the woods
>get a 10 min curse that does 99% hp once every 2.5 mins

>it takes the consumer some time to catch up to the market? People didn't realize the game was shit yet?
People didn't realize it was shit while paying a sub and playing everyday for ~3 years? okay.
>But by all reason as time goes on and the game gets more casualized it should only get more popular
>Isn't that your whole thesis?
No, not even close. I'm saying the game was popular when it was casual therefor casual didn't kill the game. I don't know exactly what killed the game but if it were casualization then wotlk and cata would not be as popular as they were.

I gave a fuck.

It made everything way too easy.
Mages should have to specc for evoc

I've repeatedly said it's shit and I'm making fun of both casual and hardcore WoWcasuals alike.

nah she took her sweet time updating and then switched to gay porn shortly after

You're nobody.

but later expansions were... more casual.

This is like going
>dude this cake is waaaay too sweet wtf!
>TOO MUCH SUGAR DID NOT KILL THIS CAKE! LOOK AT THIS CHART! CAKE WAS MOST ENJOYED WITH MORE SUGAR! THEREFOR SUGAR DOESN'T KILL CAKE!

Cata had too much sugar

TOC in wrath fucked with a lot of peoples faith in the game. Welfare epics for people who didn't want to learn how to do a dungeon.

Lich King easy mode buffs didn't help.

Cataclysm was the decline after they nerfed all the heroics instead of forcing people to get better at the game.

Learn to read graphs, only the subs above my red line were new in WotLK and Cata
So WotLK had at best only 1.3 million subs and cat briefly had that, quickly falling below that
Vanilla had 8 million subs and TBC 3 million, all other expansions after that had negative subscribers, they were so unpopular people unsubsribed

this metaphor is getting confusing, are you implying cata was more casual than wrath?

i mean as someone who never played WoW i couldn't care less

Forgot my pic

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yis

wotlk and cata sustained substantially more subs than vanilla and tbc. everything past this fact is mental retardation and autism.

are you stupid? learn to read

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I'm gonna need a source on that

not to shareholders it isn't.

it's in the picture of the very comment being replied to
it should be because it shows wotlk and cata are the most successful xpacs

Making and leveling a character to 60 isn't something you do casually. You have to stick to it because leveling is an arduous task in Classic. In retail you get free max level characters...and leveling to max can be done in a couple days. Gear actually mattered as well. A good epic let alone a legendary could be a game changer, and felt like they had weight, where as in retail epics and legendaries are thrown at you like nothing with typically not making much of a difference. There's more but I'm too lazy

So no facts to back that claim? You can't just make up statistics, you know

You are incredibly stupid if you think these people have fun. They play WoW because of a habit.
Yes the addiction to this game is real, and its not some fox news article about how I'm going to shoot up a school if I don't get ironfoe.

Let me explain this: you sit in front of your monitor you call out the game so many times, you put a fuckload of effort into bitching about the game, then maybe its time realize that you could put all of that energy instead playing a good game. These people cling on this boring ass mutilated shadow of its former self game and can't let it go, because they feel like they put already way too much effort into it. When a needed item drops they immediately forget about their bashing and go full Söyface and history repeats itself.

>Anger
"this shit sucks ass blizzard fix it"
>self doubt
"well its not THAT bad, I mean yeah we are just on [insert patch here] things can get better. I need something to justify my retarded ass of playing an awful game, and blizzard promised it'll be better"
>excitement/completely ignoring the previous call out
*söyface* "WOW [Toilet Clogger of the Sargeras] has dropped! I need that!
>realization
"well it was not that good, thinking back it was not worth at all, in fact it was fucking shit"
And now back to the start.

>moron that doesn't realize that if the demand for Classic wasn't incredibly high, Blizz wouldn't waste their time on it
It's going to be a great success and people like you will continue to be miserable.

Too long, didn't read

>*stealth noise*
Didn't mean to ruin your comfy leveling,nothing personell, kid...

>legion was better than wrath
imagine beeing this fucking retarded

>

Yeah, who could be entertained by experiencing things they've done before? Haha IDIOTS ;)

>Hi. I have no idea why people like classic, or games in general, so i use my plebbit brain to try figure it out. This post is the result. Enjoy.

okay so you didn't play cata

read the quote chain you mouth breather
By your same logic Blizzard is doing the right thing currently by casualizing WoW further.

Retail is more your style, then. In vanilla you typically must socialize if you want to make it anywhere...

I see a lot of people say that Vanilla WoW was really hardcore, but in truth it was a casual piece of shit game. Yes, it took forever to level up - but the game was so piss easy mechanically that even the most disabled down syndrome kid could eventually get to end game.

How far someone progressed through end game in vanilla had absolutely jack to do with skill, and this is key to how casual WoW really was. Because you had 39 other dickheads in a raid with you any inadequacies were missed by most everyone on account of the amount of shit that was going on - and it really boiling down to most classes pressing a single button the entire time (mages forever casting frostbolt in Molten Core, for example)

So this meant even the shittest player could eventually get big loots, and big loot meant you were big shit.

This was all fucked for casuals the second they put gearscore in the game - because after that and the abundance of free loot given out players had no way to tell who was even halfway decent, and so parsing and siming became a hell of a lot more important in guilds and the shitters get weeded out pretty quickly.

So really, WoW Classic was the haven for casuals, because it was a lot easier to blend in with the raid.

Never said I hadn't played it

Plenty, you're required to do more then left click for starters. Required to actually do challenging things that require co-ordination from multiple individuals and can actually be failed and aren't just time-consuming snoozefests of left clicking nonstop until those numbers go up, and no it didn't destroy the genre. The hundreds, maybe thousands of companies that tried to emulate them because they saw success did.

Graph shows 0 people left before Cataclysm, only 1.3 million people ever joined after TBC, then 0 people joined after WotLK until people started leaving in Cata, until some came back for MoP before leaving again shortly

wtf I hate classic now!

You can only cannibalize humanoid corpses. More often than not, there aren't any.

>and it really boiling down to most classes pressing a single button the entire time
except that was literally what everyone did in wrath

boring boomer game

Fucking vanilla fags can't handle the truth

I give no fucks who came or left. wotlk and cata were more popular than vanilla and tbc. That means casualization helped, not hurt WoW. What happened after this also doesn't matter. Because people leave games after a long period of time for all kinds of reasons. You have zero proof that casualization killed wow and you never will.

Then your reply as well as your presence in this thread is worthless. Kill yourself

>wotlk and cata were more popular
Clearly not when vanilla had 8 million subs and WotLK only 1.3 and Cata had 0 subs

>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I hate seeing these people having fun why don't they just play anime games or Fortnite like me ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

The chart shows the sustained popularity of wotlk and cata vastly exceeds vanilla and tbc, your mental retardation and autism notwithstanding.

vanilla was the most casual game on the market at the time. The difference is now we have olympic speed clear guilds and we get to watch them fight over devilsaurs, world bosses, and tidal charms.

How? Vanilla sustained its popularity better by not only having nobody leave but only more people joining that WotLK, and nobody joined Cata, people only left
How is that sustained popularity?

There were always super nerds in WoW. They can do their thing but that doesn't mean the rest of us can't enjoy it at our own level.

fuck off you autistic nigger
stop feeding the troll

Mad boomer fag? Keep playing world of niggercraft

And yet by the time they put gearscore in the game, the game was even easier.. I don't see the point here, but there will always be casual noob idiots and there will always be good players. Bring on the noobs, free kills to me.

My only question is how you can be so fucking retarded.

If a game goes from 1 sub to 1 million subs it's still far less popular than WoW if it went from 10 million subs to 5 million.

Growth does not matter whatsoever if the game is still much less popular overall. You have to be literally retarded to keep making this claim over and over again. wotlk and cata sustained vastly more popularity in subs than vanilla and tbc.

Me mad? I'm happy as fuck this is being released. It is YOU and a few other angry boys that get mad that this is getting more recognition than most of the current trash on this board. I haven't played retail forever but Vanilla I will gladly enjoy while you play whatever game that has the coolest skins

>sustained
You can't make wild claims like that without sources, Cata was a net negative according to your chart

>You can't make wild claims like that without sources, Cata was a net negative according to your chart
Cata (millions of subs):
>12
>11. 4
>11.1
>10.3
>10.2
>10.2
>9.1

TBC
>11
>10.9
>10.7
>10
>9.3
>9
>8.5

12 > 11
11.4 > 10.9
11.1 > 10.7
10.3 > 10
10.2 > 9.3
10.2 > 9
9.1 > 8.5

Cata's sustained popularity is easily better than TBC and it's no where near as popular as wotlk. Quit posting retarded shit you dumb fucking retard.

GUYS GUYS

What if after Naxx was on farm status, blizzard decided to make a frankenstein vanilla

Im talking no TBC, they merely add on to vanilla and keep the level cap at 60

Grim Batol in the wetlands
Hyjal
Kara
Add in the Caverns of Time
Uldum

Relax, dude
Check the definition of "sustain", I'm pretty sure losing subs isn't that

I'd call Cata having 7 quarters literally better than TBC's 7 best quarters as being the definition of sustained popularity. Your argument isn't even cherry picking, it's just fucking retarded. Hang yourself idiot.

How is this going to be exciting? None of the content is new. Everyone knows where and what the best gear is. There is no surprise. Why don't you faggot nostalgia high chasers get this?

would be based, but do you really think nu-blizz could pull it off well and also not completely fuck up the gear itemization from the additional content

Just check the definition and get back to me, is it losing subs?

Why do retards play with he camera zoomed out so far?

Is losing subs while sustaining greater popularity than the comparison not still sustaining popularity or do you make all your arguments from the mind of a mentally retarded and autistic person?

It's obviously not sustaining popularity when it's losing it, you should have checked the definition
Now you look foolish

They have timewalking but as if it were content designed for that level im not sure
Hyjal was originally planned for level 60 (see Atiesh)
But as for CoT and Hyjal, im unsure but Im sure blizzard could do it
Maybe not Uldum since it was added after WOTLK.

It would be cool, Bizzard would be able to keep the modern boss mechanics and tune them however to fit the raid size

Obviously it would never happen but would be cool to see if Vanilla is a success

So you can see more of the world?

That's because it's not losing popularity my mentally retarded and autistic friendo. Its 7 best Quarters beats all of the competition. I'd switch to arguing semantics if I didn't understand English nor could form a proper argument too. Have fun with that.

Each quarter having less subs than the last means less people are subscribing each quarter, that means it's losing popularity
You've been arguing semantics this whole time though, so that deflection falls a little flat

>You've been arguing semantics this whole time though
>It's arguing semantics to graphically and verbally express a game as being popular in 7 quarters
you are mentally retarded and autistic, we get it. we await your next reply proving as much.

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Human Frost Mage all over again as I can't live without my portals. Except this time I am not going tailoring / enchanting because those were two money sinks. I am going skinning and mining or herb

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Yes, it's arguing semantics ignoring growth and losing subs, ignoring the preexisting playerbase and arguing that this many subs at this instance equals popularity of that particular iteration of the game
It's incredibly ironic you failed to realize it

>we

If I've never played WoW, but have played other MMOs, would I still like Classic? Or would do I have to have at least some nostalgia to really enjoy it?

You could just try it out on a private server if you really wanna be sure before you pay anyone anything, or wait on the off-chance Blizz does some Classic free trial at launch or something
I would say you don't need nostalgia, but then I'm nostalgic for it

>growth
only because it was still a relatively new game, still people who hadn't tried it yet
>losing subs
already got btfo on this one, losing subs while having 7 better quarters than your "growing" game is still better
>ignoring the preexisting playerbase
ignoring that the preexisting playerbase leaves if the game is shit and wotlk and cata had 14 quarters better than vanilla and tbc
>arguing that this many subs at this instance equals popularity of that particular iteration of the game
14 quarters better than your 14 quarters. that's not a particular time that's an extermination

you got btfo so hard i shed a tear that you're too mentally retarded and autistic to understand why and people like you will go flooding back to le epic hc wow only to find it deader than a doornail in 2 months tops

I think there is some nostalgia factor but WoW was unique in a lot of ways. The world feels extremely alive and dangerous to the player. You're pretty much required to band together and help one another. Character progression has some story to it. There's a lot of unique stuff.

>horde
>work
Zeppelins trivialize distances, literally from UC to OG and you can see Barrens already

Losing subs on an expac you invested money making isn't "better" though
And then you turn around and admit that players leaving means it's not popular right on the next paragraph
Make up your mind

>Losing subs on an expac you invested money making isn't "better" though
They had 10.2+ million subs for six straight quarters. That's a fucking amazing success and no one in their right mind would claim otherwise.
>And then you turn around and admit that players leaving means it's not popular right on the next paragraph
I'm talking about the subsequent xpacs. If you're actually arguing that having 9.1 million subs that many years after a games release at the tail end of an xpac is bad you are literally retarded.
>Make up your mind
I applaud you for still trying to throw petty jabs such as these since you're basically in a coma by getting BTFO so hard by now. Comical really. Thanks for the laugh, I guess.

Its going to be so tight butthole to be an undead rogue again running around with muh blade of cunning

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The argument from the start was if casualization was good for the game, WotLK was the beginning of the end, but you've been pretty adamant about pretending it was the end-all be all of it, to most people it wasn't, it was a step in the wrong direction, and each xpac was another step, and with each expac more people gave up hope that the course would be corrected and left
But you've been arguing because WotLK had record high subscriber counts and while still bleeding subs, not enough people had left by the end of Cata it was somehow good
Again, you're arguing semantics if you claim that because slightly more people were subbed during Cata than TBC, while TBC was gaining new subs faster than losing old ones and Cata was losing them faster than gaining, that that makes Cata more popular and so casualization "good"
In the end it was you who was btfo the whole time, only you didn't know it

>Going Horde Warrior
>Want to go Undead because i like Undead
>Orc are just better
Fug i guess i'll just go Lock/Mage Undead
What will my alt be

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>not BC
Can't wait for it to fail.

>I'm so excited to do the exact same thing I did in 2004 because I hate change and improvements

*screeching*

fuck off retard
stop replying to it, nobody cares about you autistic niggers' fight for the last word
get a room

Anyone on the new Elysium Nethergarde realm? I've been fucking around on it for a while getting practice in, trying to find out the most efficient way to play, and what can hold my attention.

So far grinding is working out better than questing.

this. i literally never go back and play old games. i only play the latest madden and call of duty. everything old sucks!

No, I'm gonna keep going

You do know that it's not going to be 2004 again just because it's Vanilla.

>change and improvements
>lower than 1mil subs on retail
>IMPROVEMENTS GUISE!

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then do it in private you fucking idiot, stop shitting up the thread with your ego-stroking bullshit

>you do know
>>>/twitter/

>WotLK had record high subscriber counts and while still bleeding subs
wotlk's worst quarter was better than tbc's best
wotlk's had 11.5 million subs for six straight quarters
wotlk's final quarter was its best yet
in no way was it bleeding subs whatsoever
>not enough people had left by the end of Cata it was somehow good
that's not what i said, retard. i said having that many subs at the tail end of an xpac is amazing. by cata wow was no longer a game growing with new players. it's an old game by now. it no longer benefits by getting new players like vanilla and tbc did.
>you're arguing semantics if you claim that because slightly more people were subbed during Cata than TBC
cata not only had more subs in 7 quarters it was also an older game and thus couldn't benefit from attracting new players thus debunking the only "argument" you think you're making.

you got nothing. just let it go you're only making it worse for yourself.

You can't stop me, I'm gonna do what I want

>tfw going reckoning pally to cuck all the undead rogues and making an undead rogue alt to cuck my guildies

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>and while bleeding subs, not enough people had left by the end of Cata
Cata being referred there

your argument is even more retarded because cata "bleeding subs" is still more popular than tbc

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i was there at the start of wow before the game was balanced so weird shit like pulling world bosses to cities or charging while in combat could be done. Back when AV was 40v40 people in the middle and it would last for hours with people summoning air support and gods and operating shredders. Back when weird items like fire damage on hit or when hit would scale with spellpower.
I remember when honor and dhk first came out my guild was speculating about if dhk could affect reputation and if you could get it so bad orgrimmar guards would attack.

I know classic wont be the experience i remember, 1.12 is the least interesting version of vanilla wow, but i still want to play it, i think.

Well, you gotta go somewhere after you finish those wopping five quests in Silverpine

So, according to you, twitter invented that saying? Just like how reddit invented double-spacing?

The point is that in the end growth is all that matters, anyone subbed before WotLK and Cata had already bought into the game, growth is the only indicative of popularity, which neither had and Cata saw a negative trend
And that goes to prove the original argument that casualization wasn't good, it didn't do anything to help the game maintain since the game didn't
It ended up losing subs forever after that, the current state of WoW is the evidence of the failing of that design philosophy

Nice try, but let's fix that a little.
TBC > Vanilla > Wrath > Cata > Legion > MoP > WoD > BfA

You're circle right back to that?
That's just weak, man

>old human females
why are they SO MUCH BETTER than the new models

Not what I said at all, but you people love putting words in others' mouths.

you can say what you said about literally any game from 2004 and it would apply. in fact, there are people that say that shit all the time about old games that aren't vanilla wow.

According to me you sound like a fag

Because everything new is bad, everything old is good, nostalgia trumps all others.

Faces of some races just became the same face with little difference
Old faces had a lot of detail difference

Because of the fact they can actually emote and change expressions now. Old models had their expressions frozen on their faces.

Belf are a good example of that, all the same fucking face now.

>I have bad taste on purpose because it sets me apart from others and makes feel like a truly unique individual

What does that have to do with the detail on the face itself
Not that they can emote you tard

It's actually because WoW always had and still has only 1 head model per race/gender combo, all human men share one head model, all orc females share one, etc
The different faces in the chargen are actually done with just textures, lines and highlights and shit to create the illusion of different facial characteristics
This actually worked in sd, not so much in hd when you can't just slap a drawn face onto an hd model, all the faces look the same because they are the same, now they just have less tools to mask that

I got a warlock to lvl 6 then realized i was burned out. probably made too many characters on private servers, might have ruined classic for myself.

You play rogue? How would you rate rogue leveling compared to other classes? good with up to date weapon and terrible otherwise?

>Private servers = majority
I swear its like you all want to be called retards.

>Cata
>Successful

It was the first expansion with declining sub counts, and up till that point was the most expensive expansion to develop. Blizzard bragged about how the dev team had never been bigger but fuck if it reflected in the end product.

>casuals didn't kill WoW!

They actually didn't. What killed WoW was the aggressive depreciation of content. Instead of allowing content to simmer like it did in Classic and invoke horizontal progression for people you instead had a vertical system where everyone got to do everything regardless of previous commitment, with difficulty scaling so low that in LFR it's functionally impossible to not complete the content.

Because content was now trivial it became harder and harder for consumers to justify continue playing the game, and because people were rapidly losing their friends list in WoW it became harder and harder for them to justify continuing to play themselves.

And then of course Blizzard's response was to presume their audience was a bunch of idiots who couldn't even be social on their own and push even more systems into the game that aggressively depreciated the value of content until everything roughly resembled the look and feel of pulling the lever on a slot machine.

I'll give you Wrath, but certainly not Cata. That expansion didn't do great and the team themselves said in hindsight they thought focusing so much on the world revamp was a bad idea because there was a real lack of new content as a consequence. It was also the first time I ever unsubbed, ever since Vanilla.

>The point is that in the end growth is all that matters
>anyone subbed before WotLK and Cata had already bought into the game
>that casualization wasn't good, it didn't do anything to help the game maintain since the game didn't
It ended up losing subs forever after that
Funny how you claim that all the subs during wotlk/cata are all because people already bought into the game but somehow those players who already bought into the game suddenly stopped. Why didn't they stop at wotlk? Why did they keep subbing quarter after quarter after quarter? Why did Cata remain higher than TBC even tho it's already casual now. You're claiming that people kept buying into WoW for 14 straight quarters yet casualization is bad. It doesn't make any sense.

The most logical explanation is the game is just getting fucking old and boring and new players aren't inclined to pay a fucking premium for a 14 year old game when they can play any game they want for free that will play better and look better too. That may not even be why. People might just not like MMO's anymore. Genre's go out of popularity. Notice how almost nobody is making MMO's anymore? There used to be like 10 mmo's being pumped out every month it seemed.

Anyway your casualization argument is just basically arbitrarily inserting the word casual at some cherry picked data point with no substance whatsoever.

>It was the first expansion with declining sub counts
That's because the game peaked at wotlk and it's getting old by then. Old games decline. Nothing more.And even "declining" lol the game was still insanely popular. No other mmo had anywhere close to 10 million subs. Fuck outta here with that shit argument.

It’s funny because you’re clearly banking on the fact that nobody fucking plays it and can’t contradict you.

What details are you talking about? The smeared textures? The various grimaces, grins, and snarls permanently on them?

>i don't like thing so it's bad!
cringe

That's horseshit logic you yourself are using. You're doing nothing but using excuses for Cata losing subs like it did when no other previous expansion had. "It's getting old" Great, but why wasn't it getting old to people in Wrath? It was the content that people were dissatisfied with, that's why many left.

the details that make up the face
the faces used to be distinct, stop playing retarded it's obvious what he meant
them being animated now is a REASON that they all look the same. It's not an argument against the fact that they do all look the same.

>facebook frog playing a pally
time and again you prove to be brain dead faggots
I’ll enjoy ganking you up and down STV

Home...

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>Didn't mean to ruin your comfy leveling,nothing personell, kid...
you didn't! thank you for engaging my character in a player versus player environment and further bringing to life a hostile world that I must conquer or be conquered by!

I'm not claiming that people kept buying into WoW for 14 years, I'm claiming that after WotLK, so many less new people bought into it and so many old players stopped buying into it that they went to negative for the first time and kept that downward trend since then
And it was your argument that "casualization" was objectively good for the game and helped
>sustain its popularity
which from the beginning has been impossible to prove since there isn't an alternative WoW without it to compare to
Only thing we can look at is what happened, and what happened was that WoW kept steadily losing its popularity
You still like to pretend that if it was so bad the 11 million people should have dropped it immediately overnight at Wrath launch, refer to enough people either dropped it and it failed to attract new players to the point where the growth flatlined
And with Cata even more people dropped it while it failed to attract even less players to the point they went into negative

>be horde
>recognize this town
>mfw a lot of nu players won't because rarely do you see anyone quest out there

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TBC>vanilla>who gives a fuck everything else is trash

Really so how many games do you know of that peak out at 12 million subscribers after 5 years of being on the market manage to increase or maintain such a huge playerbase? How many games increase their playerbase by going more hardcore at that? You live in a fucking fantasy land if you actually believe any of these things.

youtube.com/watch?v=LZtzy80n8WI

Can we bring back Metzen to run this shit?

if you looked straight through the center of this photo you'd find a deviously tucked orc encampment preparing to raid this unsuspecting riverside village in the redridge mountains

>14 yo game
>dying genre
i love vanilla but come on

Are you trying to imply you're an OG WoWer because you recognize a town that is literally feet away from Stormwind?

>Metzen
No he ruined this game
Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise
Him and Ghostcrawler deserve nothing but bamboo lashing

It'll be good, mate, come on...
So long as it's not shit.

>tfw I wrote this
glad I made a decent arguement I guess.

>I put words in others mouths because I can't discuss anything normally

They were "distinct" because they all had different permanent unmoving expressions. Maybe you love it but after more than a decade I got sick of seeing it.

>Tell me, What is the point?
So your characters still exist after 12 months?

>feet few away
>majority of nu players go westfall after dinging 15 before finishing even the goldshire quest

>skill > gear
Untrue to a degree. Both were important factors but for real Ele shamans go from critting 1k at level 60 to critting 3-4k when they're decked out in top tier gear

Fuck off zoom zoom it's your bed time

can someone tell me difference between starting scratch from current wow and wow classic? I kinda enjoyed playing for the first time during WotD

>I'm claiming that after WotLK, so many less new people bought into it and so many old players stopped buying into it that they went to negative for the first time and kept that downward trend since then
The game was still insanely popular during Cata too. Cata saw 7 quarters all better than Tbc. Your argument doesn't hold whatsoever no matter how many retarded ways you rearrange or reword it.
>And it was your argument that "casualization" was objectively good for the game and helped
It did. It sustained the playerbase through wotlk and cata. To the tune of 14 quarters better than the games entire existence up until that point. You have not provided a single valid argument against this point. You're just repeating the argument hoping to get a favorable rewording on it this time. Not gonna happen. Your argument sucks and makes no sense whatsoever.
>Only thing we can look at is what happened, and what happened was that WoW kept steadily losing its popularity
That's because 14 fucking year old games that are meme tier popular never remain popular for that long. Ever. What on earth makes you think making a game more hardcore will make it more popular? In no game ever is that the case. Ever. Your argument is completely retarded on every level.

MMO's just aren't popular anymore. WoW is old as fuck. There's more and free competition. The hardcore argument is quite possibly the dumbest of the bunch and it suits you well.

WoW is shit, always has been, always will be.
I wish we got Warcraft 4 instead

On one hand his early shit even to his illustrations defined a lot of what Warcraft was at its best, him and Samwise I guess
But then something happened, maybe they had a gas leak at the office but both of those fags went completely retarded
How did they ever think pandaren should be anything more than a silly easter egg/joke race

Well their crit chance more than doubles so yeah I guess so

>They were "distinct" because they all had different
Yes. They were distinct because they were different. WERE different.
>Maybe you love it
It answers the question, you dumbass.
>I got sick of seeing it.
Ok?

it would be faster to tell you the list of things that are still the same. It's an entirely different game

I don't level the usual "combat swords spam sinister strike" method. I prefer dagger leveling since I tend to grind humanoids and pick pocket 100% of them.

It's a real pain till 22 when you finally get distract so you can 100% ambush mobs.

I like it the most cause I believe it's the most profitable, and the fact that you can just disappear from the world to watch a show, sex the gf, eat some food, or whatever YOU want to do and can sit comfy on a hill until you're ready to keep going.

Though for the easiest leveling I prefer warlock. Hunter is nice but at around level 48 I can have zero down time and don't have to worry about pet micro so much.

chink pandering

>The game declined because it was old!

>Why wasn't it old in Wrath, then?

>How many other games had that many subscribers, huh? Huh? Huh?

No, 'it's old!' argument doesn't work for a subscription based game. Like, I know you're talking out of your ass- and not just because you had to stuff your arguments full of insults- because BfA as a product was the fastest selling expansion in WoW's history. WoW isn't a product that they dump on the market and call a day, retaining customers is probably the most important KPI Blizzard can operate by.

This idea that WoW is losing popularity isn't actually true, Blizzard just has no idea of how to retain customers.

This, but unironically.
Anytime you see Chinese inspiration in a movie/game, it's to secure the ability to sell that item in China.

This. AVOID RetroWoW unless you want to completely burn yourself out. It's full to the brim with P2W niggers who bought the best possible gear. There's even people walking around with legendary items. You, on the other hand, will be waltzing around with t0 and get your ass pumped for a hundred battlegrounds until you get anything resembling decent gear. It will just make you sour and give you an inaccurate representation of how the PVP is. Rogues will legit knock you the fuck out with their OP T3 gear in two stuns and you'll be sitting there with garbage health pool and armor values. GOOD shields give you easily more than twice the armor that level 50 range blue crap like rhombeard protector gives you. Yeah, people get better gear over time. But heres the thing, you're working against much lower health pools on a fresh server. You still compete.

I haven't made any hardcore arguments, but you just keep repeating the same old tired posts from earlier that were already disproven
It wasn't 14 years old in Cata so why did it start losing popularity compared to WotLK?
MMOs were popular in 2010 too

MoP was the best of the new system Xpacs
What i mean by this is all the bad shit they added to the game that killed off some of the game they managed to make better at the time of MoP even if the aesthetic was bad and chink panders.
But WoD was the true downfall of this game where they blew the death nail in the coffin by ignoring the "good" they added to MoP and adding pure trash facebook shit and the starting systems of AP style grinding.

Truly MoP was a meh Xpac but after Cata being a shitshow people still were high off the Wotlk train and MoP tried to comeback.

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The reason why Orc are better is stun resistance matched with a talent that affects stuns against you also. I believe it's stun duration, correct me if I'm wrong. Bloodfury also gives you a solid dps steroid if you're in a DPS role but you will never be using it while tanking. Axe specialisation is pretty nice too. Also, warriors literally have a way to break out of fears as it is.

>lore hasnt gone down to the shitter yet
lol nice one

>tfw set on playing troll ele shaman and plan to pvp a lot

>Why wasn't it old in Wrath, then?
I already told you why. Wrath was the beginning of making the game casual. Making the game casual broadens the appeal of the game. It's more likely to conclude that it would have peaked out at TBC and declined after wotlk if not for casualization since making a game more hardcore never ever EVER broadens the playerbase and WoW was already getting old by wotlk so only way to broaden the appeal by then is casualization.
The entire quote chain stems from the argument that classic wow is hardcore wow and wow became less popular due to casualization. So you're really going to revert to "i don't know the argument" have fun with that retard
>It wasn't 14 years old in Cata so why did it start losing popularity compared to WotLK?
it hardly lost popularity and was still more popular than TBC overall. why was cata more popular than TBC overall if it's casualization then your argument makes no sense because TBC was supposed to be not casualized.
>MMOs were popular in 2010 too
and WoW was insanely popular in 2010

There's also shit like by the time you hit 60 you will reasonably have blue shield. 2k armor from it. By the time you get epics, thats more like 4.5k armor value shield. You get a chunk more survivability. Shadow niggers though.....

Eh go for it I guess. Trolls beat both Tauren and Orc shamans hands down in PVE. They have nothing.

This to be honest
Vanilla was a fun and all but it really took a shit on the setting

holy shit I've been on that exact trail

Don't level up as a elemental. Too much downtime not to mention it's AIDS to level before you get the 1s cast time reduction at like level 40. Get a swing timer and use your earthbind totem with a 2h weapon. Mobs move faster and attack faster than the average player. By utilising the swing timer you can time it so you come in, get one for one trades with the mob. You don't lose any dps at all and you effectively reduce the amount of damage you're taking because you're not face tanking with no shield. You take those advantages away from the mob. Also just imagine trying to cast 3s lightning bolts while a mob is right on top of you hitting you over and over again.

>finally going home to Thousand Needles
I can't fucking wait, bros. Fuck Cataclysm for ruining it all.

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you sound like youre just a fucking scrub. gear doesnt mean shit if you know how to play the game.

>entire quote chains stems from the argument that classic wow is hardcore wow and wow became less popular due to casualization
It doesn't, it was an argument over why keep subbing when there's no content
Then I'm assuming you made the first mention of casuals, claiming they're the reason the game ever got popular, which stemmed the whole argument about popularity
So yes, it's your argument that I'm arguing against, that "casualization" didn't help the game
And it's not a question of if it "hardly" lost popularity or if it was still more popular than TBC, you're trying confuse the issue
Why did it lose 3 million subs in the next 7 quarters after WotLK? 3 million is a lot
And "insanely popular" or not, why was it less popular than just a few years before when MMOs were booming and WoW was supposedly better than ever
Why was it getting less popular every quarter since WotLK?

>You hate what I love you kiddy har har har!
Played wow since vanilla, faggot.

>mfw shimmering flats bloodbath
none shall survive
youtube.com/watch?v=bUbdKOfKd_M

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Me? I was in pre-alpha

If the Thousand Needles boat was a boat my friends and I could ride on together it'd have been the perfect zone.

Did you have difficulty understand what I said?
>they were good because they were static frozen expressions
No, they were bad because they were static frozen expressions.

>ruined it
Funny way of saying made it better.

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>It doesn't, it was an argument over why keep subbing when there's no content
No it does because I made the argument you fuckwit.
>Then I'm assuming you made the first mention of casuals, claiming they're the reason the game ever got popular
No but that may as well be the argument. Hardcore WoW or Casual WoW, you're both WoWcasuals and WoW is a game for casuals no matter what.
>Why did it lose 3 million subs in the next 7 quarters after WotLK
It didn't
1 quarter does not indicate the performance of 7 quarters
The more you know. Cata outperformed TBC overall for all 7 quarters. Cata shit on TBC from a performance standpoint. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever and you are in fact retarded.
>why was it less popular than just a few years before when MMOs were booming
As WoW gained in popularity more and more MMO's came out to take some if its popularity. WoW got older during this time period. WoW remained insanely popular still.
>Why was it getting less popular every quarter since WotLK
It wasn't. Cata was overall more popular than TBC. You are literally retarded.

Who are you quoting?

Any news on server types for Classic? Want to get boned on classic Goldshire

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>It wasn't. Cata was more popular than TBC
Learn to read

PvP
PvE
RP

No RP-PvP at launch

I'd shift goal posts and give up now if I were you too. My argument is wotlk and cata are casual wow and most popular wow. And I win.

>shift goal posts
If you're esl, don't use expressions you don't know the meaning of

Thanks, looks like it's RP server then.

Hopefully it doesn't tank in pop.

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>spending 7 hours arguing about pointless garbage
I think you all lose.

I spent 7 hours drinking and watching youtube, being a neet is great

Are you going to explain to us how wotlk isn't casual wow now? Otherwise you're shifting goalposts, retarded faggot.

There are threads about the shittiest weirdest anime pedo freak games why does a classic wow thread trigger u that much

>they really have been going at it, trying to get the last word for 7 hours

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Has this retard seriously been trying to pretend for over four hours that momentum, sunk cost mentality and advertising isn’t a thing, and casualising didn’t completely gut the game leading to its current state? That changes don’t cause instant reactions, or that people can cling on hoping for a more positive change?
The fuck

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Because there are very few people I hate more on planet earth than WoWfags. I will take every opportunity I can to shit on them because you shit on the video game industry that I used to enjoy. Your kind changed the face of video games for the worse forever and I hate you.

>come shitpost
>get mad
Classic

>rely on no one and own everyone
>cuck
pick one, but I'm still going undead mage regardless

Can't wait until the streams die down, the threads die down and you all realize nobody wants to play your shitty game anymore

Where is this?

Zoomer opinion

If you don't agree with this, you're the type of audience that retail wants.

Why are retail zoomers so fucking triggered that some people enjoy an older version of wow? I seriously dont get it, are they afraid classic will kill the current version of the game?

>pally
Back to work healslut, and don't forget your clothes

you fucking idiot because you add all expansions together, classic alone attracted good 8mil players, TBC alone attracted mere 3mil more, WotLK atracted a laughable 0.5mil players in total (in reality much more but older players got fed over this shit and left, learn term Wrathbaby), Cataclysm scammed invisible 0.2m in it's start and then it goes down and down and down, so in simple language for you: Classic - Great, TBC - Good, WotLK - stale but edible, Cataclysm-further - Vomiting, in terms of playerbase

>are they afraid classic will kill the current version of the game?
they know that it will
look at osrs and rs3, same thing will happen with wow

its like the prophets said "the only thing that will kill wow is itself"

where is it?

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OSRS was ruined by the players, the voting system was the worst possible idea ever.

Vanilla>wrath>tbc

Altho wotlk and tbc are both raidlogging addons at least in wrath pvp wasnt complete dogshit like in tbc

No I'm saying quarter by quarter, over the course of 7/7 quarters, Cata's 7 quarters each individually outperformed all 7 of TBC's 7 best Quarters. Even better for wotlk. Vanilla was worse than TBC and so obviously worse than wotlk and cata
>Great, TBC - Good, WotLK - stale but edible, Cataclysm-further - Vomiting, in terms of playerbase
I'm not interested whatsoever in your subjective opinion. wotlk and cata are the two most popular xpacs in wow. No other versions of the game had more players.

Bryce Canyon

yeah they're scared of losing all their precious battle pets and clown suit transmogs they worked so hard on, they know they're on borrowed time.

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When I spreadsheet out Johana / Furious Paul's route it makes no sense. I guess no one has the autism to challenge his speed run.

>TBC: 11mil players total - 8 gained from Classic = 3mil players gained
>Cataclysm: 12mil players total - 11.5 gained from previous expansions = 0.5mil gained
>hurrr 0.5mil is greater than 3mil
why are you so afraid of vanilla kike?

>This level of projection from the retailfags

Actually while you autists have been playing this dumpster fire for the last decade, we've been living our lives. But nice try

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Cata was basically inertia from WotLK and one good raid, right after it the subs started declining

99.99% of players arent autistic enough to spend hundreds of hours just to level up a few hours faster

What's the comfiest class in vanilla? It's NOT Hunter even though that's what people usually say, being looked down on as a huntard and doing shit dps is not comfy

hunter

Well git gud retard because it's easy sailing as a hunter and if your little feefees get hurt because someone called you a huntard than you need to just go back to rebbit where your hurt feels can be jerked off homo.

Mage

Sit down anytime to enjoy your free food and drink and laugh at all the retards who pay for that shit

TBC only gained players because it was a newer game still. You can't claim Cata wouldn't do just as well if not better in the exact same situation. Your argument has no merit whatsoever.

warrior, if you're playing horde what else are you going to tank as? druid?

cata sucked though

Enjoy not getting into groups/raids and doing shit dps

And yet it outperformed Vanilla and TBC

>expansion for 3 year OLD game
>i-it was newer still!! your argument has no merit!
top fucking kek

You can’t claim the reverse either
Your invented scenario has no merit

Is that the necklace from that one quest where you need to find some shit in at the bottom of the lake?

You can easily get into raids you cocksucker
Every raid needs a hunter that can chain pull and 5 mans you can get into because people always need people.
You being a friendless cuck is on you being an annoyingly whiny faggot i'm sure. So if you stop being that you can get into a raid spot much easier.
>MUH 100% FULL PROOF PLAN ON BEING RAID 1% of the 1%
Your ass isn't going to be anywhere close to being the elite of raiding so stop being a spergy faggot and you'll get into a group as hunter with no issue.

yeah because WotLK was most popular expac.
But Cata is also started WoW's downfall

wheres vindictus?

TBC was 2 year old game and yes that's exactly how that works.
I don't need to claim the reverse. I only need to show that TBC benefits from a scenario that doesn't make it a better game.
Cata started WoW's downfall the same way all old games get less popular

>you need me! I'm the best hunter on realm!
inb4 pulling mobs because you didn't dismiss pet before jump

>then
>be a 13yo nerd with almost no friends because i spent most of my time playing wow
>quitting at cata when i was 18 or smth because game went to absolute shit
>stopped gaming alltogether

>now
>got an education, good job i like, a loving gf, made some good friends and became a pretty fit dude, (4 pl8 bench while having abs)
>i will now enjoy playing classic after a long wow break in which i fixed my life

Feels good to totally contradict ur shitty meme pic

2 years is fucking old game, your argument has no merit whatsoever

Who are you fucking quoting
Seriously stop being such a sperglord

Cataclysm benefits from scenario that didn't make it better game, such as hoarding subs from previous 3 expansions while TBC had only one game before it which you swept under the rug with 'it was a new game!' despite it being 2 years old and everybody finished with it already

>2 years is fucking old game
Not for a game that goes from 1.5-8 million subs over the course of 2 years, no it's not. My argument fits perfect and yours has no merit whatsoever.

>muh argument
lol

>hoarding subs from previous 3 expansions
Why didn't that work out after cata then?
>TBC had only one game before it which you swept under the rug with 'it was a new game!' despite it being 2 years old and everybody finished with it already
Nope people were still figuring out how best to minmax wow back then. It takes some time before all the addicts figure everything out and move on.

>all the spergs arguing about numbers in this thread

just stop, lads. focus on what's important. we're going home

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because cata sucked and everybody left

Then they'd leave during cata, not after. See: MoP. Cata was the second most popular xpac.

It's all true, why can't I just go back bros? It's not fair