Have fun paying $120 for games soon

buyfags btfo🐰

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>Nearly half of all devs

I hate surveys and sample sizes, its the most bullshit thing people buy into. They never account for all the variables.

How did they get nearly half? What about all the non-english developers in the world? What about all the indie devs? Some teams have hundreds of people, did they all take this survey?

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$120 has been the standard price for games for years if you factor in the mandatory season passes.

I hope they do unionize, it'll just mean the cancerous big devs die even faster.

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Finland has strong worker unions, how much did Grimrock 1 and 2 cost again?

>pay
AHAHAHAHAHA
LAUGH AT OP
LAUGH
AHAHAHAHAH

Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail

>What about all the non-english developers in the world?

Irrelevant since the whole topic of unionizing clearly means only American devs.

Whether they unionize or not you will be paying more for games if you choose to buy them.

I call bullshit as well considering devs aren't making minimum wage to start with. They're making 50-60k annually with benefits, all they're doing is begging to be fired

Unions ruin everything they touch. Can't even get decent hours at a grocery store because of them anymore.

>Sample A has a direct affect on Sample B in spite of differing laws and countries and GDP

They already get regularly fired. The industry has no job security. Once a project is done they let go almost all of their staff.

It might be for American devs(Im not sure, Im just assuming right now), and unions over here range from barely noticeable to fucking awful.

At least one in my area acts so much like those "UNION BAD" videos most jobs show you during orientation that I'm convinced it's just a falseflag funded by companies making people not want to unionize.

>stop wasting massive amounts of money on marketing
>game costs 1/5 now
problem solved
just hire good marketing professionals so they take good care of the marketing budget

And which part of the development team. Coders, animators? They all need their separate worker unions, theres not going to be a general "game developer worker union".

>GDC
Daily reminder

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Game prices have stayed the same in spite of rising costs of development costs. If anything the average $60 game should be more around $80.

Imagine being as stupid as game devs. Not trying to say that they dont get exploited by publishers (we all do) but i cant think of a single job where more people are willing to scab. Theres such a crazy surplus of labour in vidya development that any union would be suicide.

So it wont work in America only because americans by default are greedy fat pigs so you can't trust them form anything that doesn't get corrupted immediatly. Seems its less of a problem of worker unions and more of a problem of burgers being retarded.

Problem is American companies will still expect the same profit margins or better no matter what they pay their staff so it could get pretty pricey.

Imagine paying for video games AHAHAHAHA

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>What about all the non-english developers in the world?
Probably already have unions.

Because companies have been cutting costs and they don't let developers go, they usually cut middle management first

They have shifted more of the game into dlc so to get the complete title you are not paying $60.

>game has no marketing and sells nothing

I need retards whom have no shred of business sense to go away

>want to
and then they'll see they have to pay and none of them will do it.

>thinking anyone will buy games when they cost double the price for the same micro-transaction filled shit
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah unions are great, look at the automotive industry in the US. Unions are racketeers in everything but name, fuck them and fuck the people who shill for them

I only have enough monies to buy 1 vidya a month, with a union that'd be 1 every 2 months. This is outrageous and I will be rising up out of my chair and spending my money elsewhere

development costs have only risen because publishers demanded it. Vidya is moving in the same direction as hollywood, where instead of making 10 projects they put all their money into 2 mega games that will make or brake their earnings for the year

I know that a lot of people want to shit on the idea of unions, but the fact is that a lot of game companies treat their employees like crap. This shouldn't be very surprising.

Yeah, except the base game will cost more along with the DLC shit

that will be funny, games will take twice as long to get developed

The gaming industry typically only hires for the big project and then fires right afterward. They have been doing this in the west for over a decade.

>paying
those entitled snowflakes can unionize all they want.

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everyone knows that they get treated like shit, its why no vidya company has good programmers except for Id software. What im disputing is the viablility of unionizing, itd be like asking male porn stars to unionize, theyd be replaced in an hour

Quit spending so much money on marketing.

American economics are fucking retarded. No wonder they're basically owned by China now.

I literally only play Japanese games, westmutts can stop making games for all i care.

most of the shits aren't worth $60 to begin with

>defending corporations
Why do you lads always do this?

You just need to get most people to sign on and it will cripple the industry.

Almost Human was an independent dev team of four guys in a garage, they weren't part of any union. In fact, most indie devs could be considered scabs among any bigger Finnish game companies having to deal with any union regulations and fees.

Because of rising standards retard. I know people like to bring up low budget shit that manages to be successful like Minecraft and what not but the reality is that that shit is few and far in between and Normie's want their eye candy and wonder and Normie's are where the bulk of gaming's revenue comes from along with their DLC and service membership fees

>tfw Japanese games will still cost $60 undercutting Western AAA trannyshit

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lol our debt to china could be paid in 2 years if the US just let the boomers die.

>retard can't read
I said massive amounts on marketing, not literally not marketing at all you dumb fuck, read the rest of my post
also plenty of games have been pretty famous without barely any "marketing"

Marketing is how you sell a game in case you haven't noticed

Tough luck. People won’t pah that much for video games. Change your formula, cut costs somewhere like in graphics department. Make more stylized games instead of photo realism. Get no name voice actors.

The problem isn’t we are paying enough, it’s you are spending too much.

>want to unionize
Then why aren't they?

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Games aren't done until 2-3 years after "release" when they bundle all the dlc together with it for 20 bucks.

Some games are even worse and stay in beta status forever until they have hundreds of bloated addons until the devs give up and abandon the game, like Paradox.

Normally I care about workers rights but modern game developers do effectively no real work and thus should have effectively no rights.

I have no idea what universe you live in but reality is going to be different

They want the benefits but they don't want to do the actual job.

>GDC
Half of the people at GDC aren't even game developers and the other half a failed indie devs.

Nah. twitch streamers market games now. Kids don't watch TV.

more like ONIONize amirite?

You think piracy can support a industry?

Keep sucking that EA cock, corporate cuck.
>Problem is American companies will still expect the same profit margins
Which would translate to pay not getting any better but the unions could protect their workers from overly long unpaid crunch hours.

>go into a low demand high offer job market
>cry about wages being low
I though americans where good at capitalims

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Where do I pirate games nowadays?

Some are paid shills.
Some are mentally ill faggots, useful idiots corporate tools.
Some are brainwashed npcs.

Im guessing its the half who think gamers are dead and that politics is most important thing in games, so are at risk of losing their job

A gdc survey doesn't seem indicative of much.

They probably also had lower sales expectations retard and you've missed the point that ad time in and of itself is expensive regardless. If you want to address the casual audience, you're going to need heavy marketing because they're not going to frequent gaming sites and the like

not if they want to stay competitive, scab

I will pay exactly 0$ bitch

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Support the industry!

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maybe they should spend less on stupid shit like billboards and tv ads and more on advertising where people care about games only and not literally everything but games

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90+ and all screencap bait threads will result in permabans, 100 and Yea Forums will never have a shit raided thread again

>You'll never replace a professional porn star
>You'll never go by user 3 dicked mcgee thanks to your horrible birthdefect
>You'll never rise to the top on shock value alone.
They need to unionize

Games from Japan won't go up in price. So they can't do that shit here. Otherwise they will bitch that Western games are more expensive.

Because the company would rightfully tell them to fuck off and fire them

haha why is this stickied?

Who said anything about TV? You can market a game by getting twitch streamers to play it, spread ads on social media, etc. Ninja was paid to play Apex.

This. GDC is a fucking joke and the vast majority that attend it are god damn failures or just outside press or political agenda fuckheads.

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No, but retards like you do.

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Because it's not uncommon for companies to block people trying to form Union. Wrestlers in WWE have been trying to unionise as has people working in the Tesla factories, but whenever they try the heads of the company steps in to block it.

Apex Legend showed EA that you only need to pay streamers, you can skip advertisement entirely otherwise. Thats the reason why hundreds of advertisers within EA got sacked shortly after.

>japan will dominate vidya once again once these guys fuck over the western publishers
$120 only if you buy westernshit games where there's unions

That means more than half don't want to.

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AAA's are going the way of the...

Snoy movie games aren’t Japanese, and I’m pretty sure devs aren’t unionized in Japan. If they are, then it hasn’t affected costs.

that´s probably all the women and black people who only got their jobs due to diversity quotas and are now afraid of getting axed

Deflection and Unions wouldn't necessarily protect them from that, it would depend entirely on the CBA and Unions only care about sucking up fees and.

...

Yes, I want the game industry to continue making games. Don't you?

They do realize that
1.
>Game companies will clean ship the faggots who ask for this
2.
>Japan ain't doing this shit. So their games won't rise in price.
This is literally asking companies to purge all their SJW friends/

>2019
>Paying for games

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Imagine thinking anyone here wants to support the industry.😂

EA already pretty much does and they're like the pinnacle of anti-labor capitalist

uuh😃

Good thing games are now on epic store, so developers are lowering the price instead of taking a greater profit margin

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>implying I give a fuck
Pirating isn't a moral cause you tard. I'll pirate to my hearts content.

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Since the Apex Battle Pass was released I've seen nothing but advertisements for it during the NCAA Tournament.

>"developers"

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>Mutts getting fucked over by economics
Just business as usual. Gotta make that bottom dollar, wagie.

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I don’t see the issue with this. Game developers need to make their money back, and if people are willing to pay the price and support the developers, then that’s even better

>hating unions means you support corporations

Holy hyperbole batman

I'm no friend of EA and the like but Unions are cancer. They're essentially legal racketeers who drive up costs and protect shitty unproductive workers

This will only work if the replacements that get hired after the purge want unions as well.

Then why are you playing video games?

Which means American games get pricier and nobody will buy them? Sounds great

It won't happen precisely because IT IS the video game industry. It's an industry with a lot of competition because programmers want to work for video games.

There's a ton of burnout, only the big idea guys and project leads stay in the industry long term. Everyone else gets fed up and then they go to a normal 9 to 5 development job.

I wish. I want at least shity AAAs like Destiny to disappear.👌

man if you hate unions you're a neet

We all know that those half are either indie-shit developer who made no money with their shitty meat boy clone or power point presentation game, or AAA non devs. So nothing of value will be lost. I sure wont pay 120 $ for the next Revolution 69 or Gone Homo. They just want a way to extort people without doing any work. Typical unions. They will probabbly only allow Union games on Epic soon, so you have to pay union tax on every purchase, so Brianna Wu can get a new motorcycle or some plastic surgery to fix his ugly face.

>Yes, I want the game industry to continue making games. Don't you?
You do realise that they claim that games don't cost enough yet games are selling abundantly more games now thus more revenue now that the industry has hit mainstream?
Have you seen all this dlc bullshit too?
You guys are getting milked dry by money hungry reptilians.
Though my heart goes out to Devs

hollywood and the music industry seem to be doing fine

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I only care about indie and Japanese titles.

>I hate corporations
>so I should just let them operate unfettered and without restriction

>Just vote with your wallet bro
We've already seen that whales are all publishers need, morons that will cash out thousands of dollars in mtx in single player games are the primary target.
Having 1 million copies sold and 1000 whales is inferior to having 50k copies sold but all whales

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>pay

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No let it crash and burn it should've years ago, It's like the fucking music industry 2.0, Developers keep pushing more and more money into hollywood voice actors and exorbitant advertisements, For what will essentially be subpar and lacking in content compared to its predecessors a decade ago.

I hate unions because they're essentially pocketbooks for Democrats and they do nothing except protect shit workers and drive up costs and have retards like you advocating for them

Almost nothing will change. While I'd be happy to see developers stop getting fucked by their publishers/parent company every time, the reality is unionizing would come far too late. The revenue model for games now is microtransactions, so all this would do is discourage development of single players games, promote more online multiplayer garbage, and more layoffs once most of the game is done and only cosmetics and minor updates are left to be added.

I'd argue that most devs have no grasp of reality. They allowed themselves to be fucked over by publishers and executives for so long while taking it "t-tha's just how the industry works". They live in a day and age where they can get money for literally doing nothing (e.g. Twitch, Patreon) for sustainability, or use crowdfunding to have all the funds all at once (e.g. Kickstarter). They can sell it on PC or consoles without the need of publishers (e.g. Steam, EPIC, console online stores). They have fucking social media and e-celebs who can push their game for them for FREE.

But no. They're stupid enough to work for companies notorious for not giving a shit about them. For years. And now they finally band together in one of the worst times to do so.

Legit retards.

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Now include everyy other big Japanese game developer and publisher

>unironically shitting on unions
Amazing how many people who bemoan modern corporatism hate on unions, and how many people who are supposedly socialist kiss corporate ass to hate on "Gamers". Almost like people who take to the internet to advance their political causes seriously are idiots or something.👌

I'm not required to buy anything they make, try again

Because workers in America don't work for pennies you retarded mohamed

Then why has the middle market been destroyed? Why are games these days either a AAA game or an indie, where has the middle ground gone? For consoles anyway, middle ground seems to exist for PC but not on console.
I hear mixed reports coming from Hollywood and we are already seeing that they pander more and more to China. I don't keep track on the music industry

Honestly I'm not rich but I'm not poor either and I couldn't possibly afford to buy more than 3 games in a year with these crazy prices. I only buy second hand.
This will only deter more people from buying because shocker! Majority of the world is poor and every economy in the world is in a slow decline.

>rightfully
eat a dick, corporate shill

Games are entertainment, making them is not an important job and there's plenty of talent on patreon and indie that'll gladly do their work or better

better 120 dollars for a 9/10 game than 60 dollars for a 6/10 game

Unions make it harder to get fired. It makes people lazy and complacent.

Because I want to. Bitch.

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Imagine being so worthless that you need a union.

I'm okay with the idea of unions but hate how it gives employees the opportunity to be lazy and get away with just about anything they want. Everyone hates this fuck at work for never getting anything done at all but he can't be fired because he's protected by the union. Dude just basically goes in to make free money while making the rest of us work and he knows it.

I'd say you're highly retarded if you think every aspect of Hollywood is unionized. The Teamsters are no where near as relevant as they once were and most sets use temps whom are then let go once production is over and the Music industry doesn't even have a union

who gives a shit about muh western developer do it make vidya cost 130 for its the same , i just a handfull games over the year no more than 6 ,all of them japs or indies ,if i ever want more than tha the good old friend pirate , fuck america devs eat shit

>Unions wouldn't necessarily protect them from that,
Unions precisely are the ones protecting workers from that. Thats what unions do outside of the US. Take Finland again for example, nurse pay is shit and unions can't really leverage that, while they do fiercely fight against hospitals who demand unpaid hours from nurses.

>labor unions will force me to buy video games at gunpoint
What is this mental gymnastics?

>Implying I'm telling you to vote with your wallet
Voting with your wallet dosen't work
>Developers keep pushing more and more money into hollywood voice actors
Like who?

Then what are they waiting for? It's not forbidden to unionize.

Western games are not important

>pocketbooks for Democrats
A group supporting workers' rights donates to the party that supports workers' rights? Wow!

We're not all elephants here, n8.

Because for now they're free and I can, I won't miss them if shit gets fucked up though.

>IT IS the video game industry
It's first and foremost an entertainment industry. I mean, if someone makes music and it fucking sucks he's not going to make as much as a popular musician. Video games aren't different. You can compare game devs having a union to i dunno rappers having a union. It's fucking retarded.

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The problem with unions in the US is that the laws are geared towards making unions into labor monopolies. This is because unions were and are heavily favored towards Democrats and make up a large part of political machines at the local and national levels, and so the Dems pushed laws granting them monopoly power.

law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/159
>Representatives designated or selected for the purposes of collective bargaining by the majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for such purposes, shall be the exclusive representatives of all the employees in such unit for the purposes of collective bargaining in respect to rates of pay, wages, hours of employment, or other conditions of employment

If you're a US employer, then once you let a union in, it quickly asserts itself as the representative of ALL your workers it could potentially represent, even if a significant number of them are against unionizing or would prefer joining/starting a different union with a different agenda. So employers do their damnedest to keep them out entirely.

You're not important

You can kindly fuck off back to plebitt with your moralfaggotry

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You are now paying LESS for games(assuming you pay $60) than in the 90s if you take inflation into account. This is without taking into account things like steam sales and humble bundles. Games have never been so cheap as they are now. Unions will make prices soar because some bullshit "we need to feed our families" shit.

I will just pirate it

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Oh boy cant wait for Ea and Activision to fire all their workers and hire nothing but pajeets who don't unionize.

Now you're just doing whataboutism. I said nothing about corporations or capitalism, just my dislike of unions, whom also have a proven track record of fucking over and ruining industries with their corruption and my hate for retards who defend them because "muh corporate greed"

And that's a problem, but it beats the alternative where people essentially become slave labor.

Then exit right now if you really don't care, find something better to do with your time.

>not poor
>can't afford $180 a year for your hobby
oh wait, did you mean the theoretical new price in the OP?
>can't afford $360 a year for your hobby
You're poor. If you aren't tied down, dumb, or disabled, I would seriously recommend looking for a job with better pay.

It's not like you aren't already paying that much thanks to season passes and dlc being the norm.

soi bugmen can unionize all they want, in the meantime ill playing their games while hearing this song. m.youtube.com/watch?v=X2jzDa3p-JE

post your favourite pirate songs lads

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>devs unionize
>everything gets outsourced to India and poland

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>can't spend more than $200 for entertainment in a year
There's nothing wrong with being frugal, user, but if you can't afford that then you really are poor.

But they do have the security of getting hired again if they worked on a succesfull project(and if they didn't too, unless they released a total trainwreck). Plus every fucking "worker" has the chance of creating it's own game/app/whatever and become millonaire if they are into it. Job security is just commie bullshit that forces others to do shit they don't want to benefit people that don't deserve it.

My mom says I'm important

Make up your mind retard. I stated my dislike for unions, you then brought up corporations doing what they want, I then told you I give no fucks, you then somehow translated that as mental gymnastics because you're fucking stupid somehow because I'm not obligated to buy anything from a pro union company

Yes unions have their downsides but you'd have to be dense or severely mislead to just throw them out all together. For instance, overall it's a good thing that they make it harder to get fired, clearly hasn't hurt productivity in the past few decades.

Unions are literally shit, and have done more damage on the workplace than vice versa
>dude its about workers rights
>blackmail you into joining
>blacklist people who are not unionized and try to prevent them from getting jobs
>put more strain on production times
>le exclusive deal with the company heads
>raises prises
And games are already too expensive anyway. Have you ever taken a look at how much revenue AAA games make? Its fucking ridiculous.

The only reason why games are $60-70 right now is because everyone just swallowed it up, not due to production costs. And if anything: graphics bloat.

Because everyone is looking for were the money's at. People aren't working for niches. Look at battle royale. Every dumb fuck was and still is trying to cash in on this baby boom and there have been a few middle ground Devs that produce games for a genre that is already saturated or a AAA has already done that concept/type of game so they have no chance.
Also the cost of games have also gone up which makes it hard for the middle ground to get anywhere or even scare them off from taking such a financial gamble.
That's just how the markets become. People will spend their money on extremely expensive AAA games first before they even look to a b rate game. That's the problem. If anything it's the price of AAA that's damaging the market. They're taking all the money.

>playing games made by "onions bugmen"
Wew.

>everything gets outsourced poland
Thats not necessarily a bad thing. Lot of actually good games coming out of Poland these days.

I havent bought vidia costing more than 10$ in the past ~4 years. Where do you live that you cant afford vidia despite steam having regional prices +75% sales almost whole year around?

Why do you lie and why do you think unions will double the price of games?

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Fug

Development costs have dropped over time thanks to improved development tools, and there is significantly larger amount of customers now a days then in the past. Pretty much every AAA dev has been posting record profits year over a year for a while now.

Except unions do nothing except protect shitty workers for the most part, they then take my money and donate it to a party I don't agree with but it's a party that allows said union to have more power and extend their racketeering

Not being able to support your hobby dosen't make you poor, being poor barley means you can barley pay for the essentials that you need each month.

>game costs 100 million
>intead of paying another 100 million for regular marketing
>pay 3 million to the twicht stars to stream your game nonstop like apex did
>Game is a success(but you blew it anyway because you are retarded)

That's happening already

Enjoy licking you corporate boots. anyone who is against union is at some upper level of management.

Unions are the enemies of captializm you have to be a commie loving scumbag to ever support them, why can't we have a labor force like Japan or China's? You can't even complain about abuse because your're the one staying there, they do't keep you at that job by force if you have a problem with the punishments you can clearly leave.

So you donate that money to entertainment industry instead who puts that money to the exact same party you don't agree with. Instead of assuring less shitty working conditions for the people working in your homeland, you'd rather suck the corporate cock.

i hope western devs unionize and raise the prices so everyone stops buying their games and the western game industry dies
we'll be much better off with all the normalfags gone from the hobby
jap devs are the only good ones anyway

Who would that be? I only know of Cd Projekt but I heard some troubling tales from them. Are there any other Polish studios?

Yeah, tell that to GM and Chrysler

how about 0$

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Bartender here

Someone explain the point on unions to me in the modern world

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Good, need to keep poorfags from ruining the games.

Aren't we due for an increase anyways? 60 dollars in the 80's is about 140 today.

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unlike hack vidya devs I have marketable skills, so yes I'll enjoy being irreplaceable.

>Japan
>No labor unions.

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My hobby shouldn't consume the remainder of my paycheck. There are more important things to put my money towards. Honestly if I couldn't get second hand or pirate I wouldn't play games at all.

Nope, going to continue pirating and doing whatever I feel like and there's not fuck all you can do beta boy.

u aight black boy

test

>work for a company for only a couple of years
>salary is steadily increasing with it
>maybe even got a promotion
>have reliable monthly income for bills
>suddenly game is finished
>LOL FUCK OFF NOW
>had to have saved for the months that I'm not working because
>have to work at base salary again because new company
>also might not get same position as previous company
>might also have to move if I'm desperate to work soon
>but lol don't worry, this is normal
>can't wait to get fired again in a year or two

Suit yourself, you're the one wasting your time.

97,62% of all statistical facts are made up and thats a fact.

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>do nothing except protect shitty workers for the most part
They also protect good workers, and keep companies from trampling human rights.

>they then take my money and donate it to a party I don't agree with
But it's a party _I_ agree with, so I don't give a heck, just like you don't when I hate things that help Republicans.

Plenty of decent smaller scale games that have come out recently, plus some midsize gaming companies like 11 bit studios that made Frostpunk.

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as long as its a game and not a service i'm fine with that price

No

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Just don't buy western games.

if it's so bad then get a different job
no one is forcing you to be a game developer

I would gladly pay more than $60 for games if it meant microtransactions and DLC and shit receded.

>But they do have the security of getting hired again if they worked on a succesfull project
Part times are not job security. Its the number 1 reason why middle-class is disappearing. You can't build a family with only part-time jobs, good luck trying to get a mortgage with uncertain income.

>Yes, I want the game industry to continue making games. Don't you?

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We'll just see more jobs shifted to eastern europe and asia. For once, this actually a good thing.

Exactly, just like the bigger cut in the epic store meant all games there dropped in price.

No, I agree that game developers are one of the most cucked individuals in the world for willingly working in an industry that fires them like crazy. I just thought you trivialized job security as commie bullshit. People working in other industries probably won't get rehired if they got fire as constantly as game devs, so to them stable jobs are much more important.

Nope. I pray every day for the industry to crash.

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No. Games production was far more expensive than disc/digital when the $50 price point average of the 90's was around. The cost now is offset by the larger amount of people playing games. Some estimates were as much as ten times as many people play games now as in 99. With easy digital downloads for games it is easy to crack 500k sales and net back 15-20million USD on a $60 game (after production/shrink/marketing/etc is removed from that $60)

I would guess if a union hit, the difference would be games being worse overall. Not because of the union, but because of the smaller work hours and longer development times.

Good workers don't need protecting, especially not in software development. Also
>trampling human rights
Fuck outta here bitch nigga.

We have new standards of poverty now. What you described is extreme poverty when it comes to modernized societies.

user they already are 90 dollars in most cases thanks to season passes or deluxe editions locking content behind an increased price.

Your point? Something you want to say but can't find the word for it?

>Imagine being Burger and anti-labour unions, getting fired for wearing a red tie rather than a white one
>Meanwhile, I'm sipping on freedom and worker's protection over here in Europe, where it's almost impossible to fire me from my job
Feels good man

*grabs devs and publishers by the nuts*

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>want to
Those are the keywords. They simply can't.

>Yea Forums now hates Unions
Workers having rights is bad for the customers obviously
Yeah suck that pig dick you little faggots
Attack your peers
Just replace my pick with a jew if you are right wing

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That's messed up

no, nu-games are fucking garbage. I don't even pirate them, they're not worth my time

>caring about the industry in 2019

good, even more people will pirate
i hope vidya will just die already👌

tranny game devs are not my "peers." I don't care what happens to those faggots

Reminder that deluxe edition just means full game and if you buy the base game your literally buying the cut down(economic) version and your a stupid poor hobo.

Fuck off, commie.

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i'm going to pirate and there's nothing you can do about it shill.

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>buying games

unions lose focus along the time. as long as they dont force people to be unionized it wont be a problem. In my country unions are mostly scams

Unironically retarded
No like for you

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>support the industry if they make me pay 120$ for a mediocre, unfinished videogame with probably microtransactions
I want the industry to crash
if you think otherwise you're a brainlet

Kys Jim

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>not a union boot licker so you must be a corporate boot licker

Wew lad

Workers have the same rights as the employer. The National Labor Relations Act does nothing for workers' rights but is extremely toxic for the health of the workplace.

and 100% of those half don't even know what it means to unionize and what it entails, i hope they all get unionized then start screaming when a huge chunk of their paycheck gets taken to "support" the union.

it kills me that idiots think a union means free money or a secure job

if they unionize in the US, that might mean more companies will go overseas. Sucks for you, good for me

>Normies watch gaming streams

What's it like? Being retarded?

Nobody is forcing you to pay 120$ for a mediocre, unfinished videogame with microtransactions

Or just start making good games instead

that's why I won't pay it
I'll pirate it

my favorite conservative meme is being anti union when unions were one of the few people to go to d.c. to speak on behalf of the people
that's the main reason they're almost gone now, corporations love being the only voice in congress

anyways keep sucking corporate dick and fuck niggers

Unions lead to higher employee satisfaction, which leads to better performance, which leads to better games. Checkmate, Friedman-cocksucking faggot scab.

Why not get a real job? I get doing what you love, but is getting fucked in the ass on every turn really worth it? If you can code vidya you have to be able to at least pajet front end for websites.

In the US it doesn't matter if you don't join the union, you're still forced to submit to the union rep. See

waited 20s to upvote this👌

Good. Now the western market will crash even sooner

Have you faggots never worked in your entire life?
Unions never lead to anything bad other than the boss having a few percent less profit and it certainly doesn''t make working conditions worse.

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I'm on the fence. What would a union mean for game developers? What kinds of benefits would they get?

My non union job pays me 75k annually with bennies and any lazy faggot gets fired and I don't have to give 10% of my check to some fat union fuck doing nothing but twiddling his thumbs

thanks user
I just posted porn so your upvote won't last long

See also what happened to teachers where you literally cannot work as a teacher without being in a teacher's union, no matter how much you hate it. I know an english teacher I had once was fuming because the union was pushing for teachers to work less and less hours and get more mandatory days off when some teachers were already barely making enough to make it by.

You can really see how many little shits on Yea Forums have never been a part of the workforce
>inb4 "NUH-UH I WORKED A SUMMER JOB"

I've actually been part of a Union and shit wasn't much different from any other job I had except a percentage of my pay went to the union. Anyone singing their praises is either an idiot or unemployed

Well, that's just your retarded system that needs fixing then. I only pay 20 dollars a month for my union membership.

Its not game developers, its western game developers.

Why do you still play western trash when all of it is propaganda and politics?

and they should. if they unionize, it will just mean that the product it come more expensive. Lots of companies in the developing world let the workers unionize skyrocketting costs of products. said countries later had their industries crash, it was horrible, now they only export food. Left kill countries

I'm concerned that unions will force companies to utilize workers they no longer need, after the job is done. The game development cycle is harsh, but there are periods where your skills aren't needed. Say you're a 3D artist, the game you're working on comes out, and now the team shifts into the pre-planning stages of their next project. What are you good for? Should the company be forced to utilize you?

Or better yet, start a small company instead. Thats how most scandinavian and eastern european gaming companies start, as a group of friends with skills who make a game together.

please tell us about your "real job" champ. we'd love to hear about it

are you implying that I haven't been a part of the workforce?

Or maybe they just actually experienced what unchecked greed is like working overtime every day with minuscule wage

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>Lots of companies in the developing world let the workers unionize skyrocketting costs of products. said countries later had their industries crash,
RIP Japan, that place has thousands of worker unions.

this is it fellow developers
Chad won't be able to steal our jobs any longer
GAME MAKERS RISE THE F*CK UP

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You're right it needs fixing and it begins with the dissolution of all unions for racketeering

How about you do something better and not bother with them at all.
Like who?

I've had more non union jobs than union and nothing of that sort ever happened to me and if it did I would just quit. Unlike most retards, I save enough to tide me if I have to be between jobs

No one would pay $120 for a video game or even $70 for that matter, if video games are becoming this expensive to produce that companies are having to falseflag for unionization in order to keep financial success secure then just stop.

of all the industries we need to unionize this should be the last one to come into consideration otherwise start laying off those millennial hipster cock sucking faggots.

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>I'm concerned that unions will force companies to utilize workers they no longer need, after the job is done.
Unions can't re-negotiate signed part-time contracts. Finland has strong worker unions but theres nothing they can do if the company only offers "season"-based job contracts where they go on burst hiring a lot of people for a set period of time. Unionizing won't help burger game devs with their issue of getting sacked from the company after a year but it can help against the crunch problem.

Either you're stupid or don't know that Japans economy has been in a slump for decades and their worker unions operate differently than your average american or euro union

I too miss the life threatening working conditions, the 16 hour days, the complete lack of job security, and shit tier wages of the Gilded Age.

Thank God. People will stop hiring them, and studios will move elsewhere. The problem is taking care of itself. Game devs aren't fucking coal miners suffering from black lung while working 80 hour work weeks.

>their worker unions operate differently than your average american or euro union
So seems the problem is not the worker unions themselves but the fact americans are just so fucking dumb they can't make it work.

Unions are just willingly giving up a huge portion of your paycheck for rights the government should enforce.

>"I care about the workers!"
>chimp out when someone works while you go on strike
Really makes ya think

Only in Yea Forums people complain that middle class workers protest to get better pay

If you think Unions are suddenly going to make games double in price you're not paying attention to how much they want you to pay for a proper experience nowadays without unionization.

>Yea Forums pirates games, supposedly hates big business
>is also against socialism
>is also against unions
???????????????????

Unions are the lobbyists that push for those laws the government can then enforce. Government is filled with corporate lobbyists, so they need to be counterbalanced somehow.

check this shit

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If you care about video games you would want game developers to get well.

I bet almost all of the profits goes to their bosses and they get paid terrible wages. the extra payment should be reduced from the payment to the bosses, not the public

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kys tripfag

>yeah well all these would happen if they unionized. Proof? I don't need proof because I'm right

There's an actual proven correlation between unions and price rises, not so with unions and improved performance. Auto unions have shown that shit actually gets worse if anything

Corporate fanboys don't have to work since their mommies and daddies provide them with everything.

It's not like you have to pick on side or the other. At the moment it's perfectly valid to hate both.

honestly I'd rather live under big business and be able to pirate what I can freely than forcibly being put under socialism

*to get well paid

>middle class workers
I don't consider onions chugging nu-males to be "workers".

a brief history of labor unions
>we dont like this job! we go on strike!
Okay we'll hire all these other people that want to work
>SCABS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEE

imagine actually paying for videogames lol

They make pretty comparable pay to most other dev positions for products that sell a lot less.

this is 4channel
define "well".

You call them nu males because you are a fucking neanderthal.

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>be in union
>lose $20 off each paycheck
>job benefits and security are good
>one day, hear about possibility of strike
>burger flippers want more money and have enough reps in the leadership and member base to threaten a strike
>we decide to splinter off, since we were subsidizing most of the union revenue anyway
Unions are fine as long as you don't have lazy minimum wagies controlling it.

>Forced to be part of worker union.
You haven't worked an hour in your life have you?

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Game developers don't make minimum wage, they make somewhere in the neighborhood of 50k-60k. They're not exactly starving.

how does piracy have anything to do with that
>you rape women so that must mean you support feminism!

They should be 120$, it better than attempting mass market appeal.

Fuck off tranny

The union still "represents" you even if you don't join. I guess you're the NEET.

reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/842u58/game_developers_earn_less_than_other_types_of/

"Game developers earn less than other types of developers by a relatively large margin - StackOverflow Developer Survey 2018"

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Point to me where I have to buy that shit? Base game prices have been static in spite of rising coats so you're an extra retard if you think that shit won't go up to cover the additional costs of union employees

western developers make shit games
if anything they should get paid less or get fired
why would i want people making shitty games to make more money
kill yourself

>Unions are fine as long as you don't have lazy minimum wagies controlling it.
Which is is the main reason a general "game dev union" is never going to be a thing. Separate unions for each branch of the game development.

Atleast Neanderthals were able to survive on their own. Unlike, you know, nu-males.

I dunno, it makes very little sense to me to be a pirate and defend capitalism

You don’t even buy anything or contribute to the system you defend and the general thought process of all data being freely accessible to the commons more closely aligns with socialism. Plus actual capitalists hate you

You are a fucking scumbag, just letting you know that.

They should be paid fairly for the job they are doing. there are a ton of good western games

You don't have to pay them and they can't force you to not go to work. How is this a problem again?

You've either never had a job or are just ignorant. If you get employment where there's a union, you are REQUIRED to join the union. There was a legal case and everything about it and everything.

>people are willing to accept lower wages
>this is the fault of the employer for not wasting money even though now he or her can hire more than he or her could have previously

>I would rather be a Neanderthal than a nu-male
Fits you well. i'm not surprised a retarded person such as you would say that

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>unioncuck linking reddit
>thinks a "game developer survey" is an actual representation of good game developement
How am I not suprised?

Not where I live. Seems burgers are just too stupid to have unions.

You're retarded user. Prices will either stay the same or they'll go out of business. But prices won't increase.

>survey

Into the trash it goes

You can go to any major corp and look their pay rates up

>piracy
Do not use that word to describe copying of files as it has nothing in common with killing people and pillaging ships on the high seas.

Prices are determined by customer demand elasticity, not production costs.

game developers make less money because they're less skilled
if they were more highly skilled, they would get better jobs in other industries
but they dont have what it takes, it's an extremely low bar to become a game developer in the west
when you fuck up, you just call the people who bought the game entitled

>all data being freely accessible to the commons more closely aligns with socialism.

what the fuck? tell that to the EU and the UK I think they missed the memo on that part of socialism.

What do you mean "linking reddit"? we are on reddit right now.

Downvoted.

On a more serious note, fuck off. all you guys are doing in this thread is complaining that middle class workers protest to get paid better

I'll just start pirating the few good companies I still support with my money.

>multimillionare companies should be allowed to force their devs to do crunch
ok bro
kill yourself btw you jew shill piece of shit nigger

Because they're still the exclusive "voice" of the workers when it comes to negotiating work conditions, pay and so on. The union has no incentive to actually cater to the interests of its workers because it gets to decide the terms of the contracts regardless of dissenters.

Please retard, just stop talking because you obviously live in your own deluded world.

When costs go up, prices go up

based
FUCK AAA devs

Shut up boomer

Anyone who hates big business is a retard, megacorporations have created the modern world of high quality and easily accessible products that we enjoy, they are the last step in the evolution of human society, socialism is a dead pipe dream of an ideology.

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You aren't forced to do anything, you can quit anytime

Yeah, I can't imagine coders being happy with writers and artists trying to normalize pay within the union. I know that when it came time for salary review, the burger flippers would demand all union resources be spent on trying to negotiate for raises on their positions, and not on the technical or professional positions.

Really, piracy is a really good check for the games industry from pushing prices too high, since we can get virtually any game for completely free these days.

>large number of people want to be game developers
>game development has no potential for real world danger or lost productivity if the game is bug riddled and poorly coded and thus can employ effectively anyone with the absolute minimum skills
Gee I wonder why they'd have lower wages than the rest of the industry.

Do you think its acceptable that multi-national corporations treat their developers like shit, make them work unreasonable hours and give them unreasonable deadlines?

kotaku.com/report-konami-is-treating-its-staff-like-prisoners-1721700073

honestly fuck off

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>"I care about the freedom for someone to live their life as they wish"
>chimp out when someone tries to commit suicide

But they still have the incentive to negotiate better contracts for the workers because the workers are their customers, their money direclty comes from the pockets of the people they claim to represent. You think corporations listen if you go on your own individual protest demanding completely different things from everyone else? No. You need half the working force to stage an efficient protest or nothing is ever going to change. Individuals are easy to sack.

>what is price elasticity of supply
Higher production costs may lead to less studios and thus less competition, which leads to less elastic demand.

>Kotaku

Fuck off

>GDC
>relevant

I don't know if it's different to you, but when I took this job, I had two choices. Join the union, pay the union dues and get a vote or don't join, pay a union "fee" and get no vote.

Keep seething tranny, stop dilating on the job if you don't want Noseberg Shekelstein to fire you

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Their workers (the people doing the workd and making the money) are accepting it

Actual normies only play annual sports game and mobile/whatever is trendy on PC, they don't care about graphics.

>if the job is dangerous then it deserves to get paid more
Literal vloggers and celebrities get paid more than game devs, tho.

Konami literally monitors their workers during the lunch breaks and publicly shames workers who stay to eat for too long.

This is the culture you are endorsing by being against unions - with no unions to protect the small worker, multinational corporations are going to ravage your rights and treat you like shit

Fuck off back to Resetera namefag.

>cucktaku

western game devs are crack-smoking faggots, fuck them
This is your home:

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I took a job, I didn't join the union. Union went on strike when one of the workers was wrongly accused of sexual harassment by a higher up woman. The case got cleared, the guy got his job back. I did not lose any money whatsoever because I was not required to go on a strike. This is how it works in nordic countries.

God fucking damn it i accidentally liked your post when trying to reply

>>Konami literally monitors their workers during the lunch breaks and publicly shames workers who stay to eat for too long.
And unlike US devs their employees are not brain damaged fatsos woth fantasize about cutting their pee pee off. Seems like they're doing things right.

have fun being out of a job when nothing sells
this is just left wing activists trying to take over gaming and the market will correct itself like it always does

>monitors their workers during the lunch breaks
common practice in Japan
> publicly shames workers who stay to eat for too long
>oh no I can't waste my company's time and money ah bloo bloo bloo

Konami doesn't even make video games anymore you tard.

I don't give a fuck. I have such a fuckhuge backlog already anyway, also, there's an almost unlimited number of games I can emulate and pirate. I can literally keep playing shit till the day I kill myself

I hope you go to work at the shittiest place possible and i hope your employer will treat you the same way you think game developers should be treated. that's all im going to say to you

The Japanese don't suffer lazy faggots and I say good on them

yeah and for every successful vlogger and celeb there are 1000 people to tried and failed to do what they did and got fuck all money.

>nordic
oh so you're a socialist burger LARPer then

>Yea Forums defends capitalism
>while pirating everything
????????????????????

I'm glad you have an actual choice in your country. I probably would have joined my union anyway, but I think it's wrong to collect a fee from someone who doesn't want to join

You're middle class scum and capitalists. You show no compassion on the poor, especially those who work hard to support their families and live honestly.

I would then quit and get another job. I don't know why you think why someone is compelled to stay at a shit job but the reality is different

BASED and UNIONpilled
I'd like it fellow upboater if I could give you any.

>Literal vloggers and celebrities
You can't compare any regular job to "celebrities", a celebrity can potentially earn more than anyone.

They don't defend capitalism.
They defend multinational corporations treating workers like shit.

Honestly i think its just insane how terrible the people in Yea Forums actually are. its disgusting and repulsive

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Americans are so thoroughly brainwashed. I feel bad for you lot

Yea Forums isn't one person retard

How are those statements contradicting eachother?

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Many of them can't quit their job that easily because they drown under student loan debt

Yea Forums is not defending
Yea Forums is attacking stupid ideas that would directly hurt them

Well, once the government has assigned you your job and mandatory union you're not allowed to leave comrade.

>Have fun paying $120USD for games soon.
>Be Straya
>Pay $100AUD for vidya but its shit vidya
>know moon
>Pay $100AUD for vidya imported from Japan so its good vidya
>Western cunts want to make western vidya more expensive
>Western games now cost $200AUD
>Jap games still cost $100AUD
>I'm now paying less for importing
And it was on that day that user won for the first time in his life.

It's okay, this hobby has gone to shit anyway. Charging 120$ for a game wouldn't magically make them any better in quality.

Time to find something else to do.

That's comparing two different industries to each other. Comparing within a single industry gets you
>two people write computer programs
>one program is for jumbo jets flight control software the other is a shitty video game where you punch white men as a black bulldyke with a giant afro
Who do you think has more riding on their code being bug free and not having any unexpected behavior? Which company is going to demand a higher level of skill from their employees?

People who post like that are too incompetent at their job to find a position at a better company. Nothing is compelling them to stay other than their lack of ability.

Only when marginal costs go up you fucking moron. Marginal costs of video games are basically non-existent, and that isn't going to change. Video games are already priced for optimal profit. Increasing the price would lead to less profit.

Shut up nigger, respect your betters.
Which further proves my point the problem is not worker unions but the fact americans are dumb as fuck. Unfortunately there are bigger problems in the working force that unions cant fight against, which is globalisation and automatisation, your jobs either go to chinks or poos, or robots take over in your factory job. multinational corporations are not your friends, they are the enemy of any nationalist.

>devs all outsourced to india

based

Yea Forums is basically defending the CEO of a corporation taking 99% of the profit, and attacking the workers who want to get paid better.

Most people in Yea Forums are middle class and are hurting themselves by doing this

I could say the same about you, sucking the cock of a group that uses you as an ATM because you think they protect you

>defend multinational corporations treating workers like shit.
Source on this? Maybe 20 years ago this was common but not anymore. And no reddit poll is far from enough in any remotely serious argument.

All according to plan.

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>ruberg
I don't think anyone is surprised.

No, they can quit their job easily but they're to lazy to want to get another. They use the loans as an excuse

>trying to thing things for as cheap as possible (ie free)
>not the most capitalistic thing possible

Capitalism is all about fucking over other people more than they fuck you over, so like corps fuck retards over for 60 dollars plus 100 dollars worth of dlc pirates will fuck them over by getting it for free.

Good thing they already got ahead of the game and created microtransactions to gut more money out of people.

>Yea Forums is basically defending the CEO of a corporation taking 99% of the profit
I'm sorry about that stroke you seem to have had user.

>Paying money for games when you can just pirate everything and get a better experience
>Unionizing and expecting pay when most big games are becoming free to play bullshit multiplayer battle royale clusterfuckness anyways

Don't worry, "comrade". r/gaming wont be down forever. Us soicialist can go back to jerking eachother off soon.

#killwhitey #racismlebad

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>Yea Forums is basically
>using a setup deliberately meant to make strawmen
>CEO of a corporation taking 99% of the profit
Wrong. And there's literally nothing wrong with that as the workers accept it.

it works in my country where workers have far higher wages than Americans but no minimum wage

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You are delusional if you think multinational corporations don't treat their workers like shit nowdays.

It was not a reddit poll, the thread linked to a poll which was made by stackoverflow.

And i gave you various examples of how poorly Konami treats workers and went into specifics explaining what they do.

.👌

thats not how unions work

>oh no they made people sit at a desk for a vary long time for more money, they are very bad people boooo!

>Hurr durr you want workers to get paid well therefore you are literally a communist Xd

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>one company is representative of all companies

GM and Chrysler killed themselves through bad business practices and misunderstanding changes in the market. Demand for higher wages didn't help but management fucked themselves.

I like how angry people get that you point out basic facts.

Do these people really live in a fantasy world where you can double, triple, quadruple input costs and not make the product more expensive? This is literally just math.

Doctors unions have destroyed american medicine, teachers unions have destroyed education, police unions have destroyed accountability, auto unions have forced nearly every factory out of the country.

Unions are only good for one, and only one group of people. Those inside the union. Everyone else suffers.

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>If you quit a job you like to get another then it means you're incompetent

?

If I were incompetent, I would be incapable of getting a job in the first place. Want to know how I know YOU'VE either neither had a job or are incapable? Because people with actual skills hop from job to job all the time if they find something better or don't like the fit.

It's the incompetent retards whom have trouble holding on to anything and are desperate to keep anything they might get

Are you dense?
I also showed you a survey showing video game developers get paid less than developers in other industries

konami doesnt treat workers poorly

>Unionizing and expecting pay when most big games are becoming free to play bullshit multiplayer battle royale clusterfuckness anyways
Isnt that a more valid argument for unions than before? Successful F2P games have same devs upgrading and patching the exact same game for many years, instead of creating one game and then getting the boot.

>Yea Forums is basically defending the CEO of a corporation taking 99% of the profit, and attacking the workers who want to get paid better.

So they should have unions where the CEO's get paid 90%, the union leaders get 9% and everyone else scraps for the last 1% while customers pay twice as much as they used to?

>t.seething jew.

It's because most of the "People" in this shithole are kids that don't have jobs, it's why they think they're cool for pirating shit, and they act like they're not interested in video games despite being on a fucking hobby board for it.
Just children who can't grasp IRL basics, same people would be fucking FURIOUS if they worked somewhere and got stiffed by their boss

>jobless retarded children who live with their parents crying about unions because of what bribed corporate defenders told them
Boy, this hasn't ever happened before.

>EA CEO Andrew Wilson total compensation: $35.7 million
>EA gross profit: $3.87 billion
He makes less than 1% of EA's revenue after COR. Even if you compare it with net income, it's 3%.

The samurai will slay the jew

Retard please learn math. It would cost less to give a CEO 15 mil in stock options than it would cost to hire 50k low level workers

What the fuck is all these likes and shit? I don't want fucking facebook tier likes. What the fuck?

>Have fun paying $0 for games soon.

>survey
>implying people accepting lower wages is bad

Union that doesn't fight against unpaid hours or unlawful sackings while the same company has CEOs making billions is not a union that is going to last very long.

Konami is a Japan company how the fuck does that have any relevance to USA trade unions?

>hurr it's the unions even though by my logic no rich country would have any jobs
You're an idiot.

What will it change? I pirate all my games. Haven't bought anything vidya related, not even consoles since 2013. I steal used ones from flea markets and install custom firmware on them. Romanians tend to sell early released versions so it makes it even easier

💯

>Literal n*gg*r

And the bulk of his pay is in stock options that he can't touch or cash in

>Linking to kotaku

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It's a good thing what you're suggesting is preposterous then.

What day is it?

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Yea Forums is more or less infiltrated by corporate trolls, r/the_donald rejects and other grugs from Reddit.
Are you really surprised that they would be anti-union? It's all fucking astroturf, and the sooner you realize that you're pissing into an ocean of piss, the better you get the fuck out of here.

I find it's the jobless fags who defend unions actually

Check the date dumbass.

Though I must say they must have put quite some effort into this just for an april fools joke.

April 2nd?

Where's GOG in the picture?

Once again retard a survey is nothing but biased shit. Any publicly traded company has their rate of pay freely available to look up

>People acting like CEOs getting paid a lot of money is evil
>Refuse to take a risk and start their own company.
Hmmm, it's almost like... nah nevermind

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Yeah nah.

For the consumer this sucks, yes, but to be fair 120$ is more than a fair price for a video game. Just think about how much work, time and money goes into making a video game, and some of them still cost less than a novel that you can write in like 2 months with a 3$ budget

That's exactly what I'm saying. If someone tries to justify a union by saying not everyone can leave their shitty job, the real reason is because they don't have marketable skills to find a job that treats them better.

>no more unpaid crunch hours
>games take like average 10 years Cyberpunk time to develop

higher-ups still earn way too much these days if you compare it to the average employee. that ratio has skyrocketed in the last few decades for no reason at all. it's especially bad when you consider how CEOs are pretty much completely removed from responsibility; if they fuck up they get paid handsomely to leave.

>if you say x then youre a nazi
>if you say x then youre a jew
and the dance continues

I'm literally black.

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>thinking CEOs are entrepreneurs

I'm so sorry

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most of the cost of making games is marketing, not development

Those people are going to have fun getting outsourced after training H1-B visa workers

Yet they can miraculously afford luxury boats, manors and cars. Despite apparently having less cash than the homeless. Funny how that works.

Or, you know, they like their job and don't want management to cut their pay and conditions, which is usually the position of management in contract negotiations since that's in their best interest.

Yeah, only that not everyone can be a CEO. There have to be workers for the system to work and they have to be treated fairly

I look at what all the PoZ'd developers have made last year
>Genderfield V
>SΩY of War
>Asscrud Oddgaysea
>Spider-gay
>Fuckup 76
>Kikesiders III
and go
>I'd rather they made nothing

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Or they love their job and want the industry to be better overall.

How can I make bright text like yours?

No dummy it's true. Take the Activision CEO, he makes 28 mil annually and Activision recently laid off 800 workers much to the autistic rage of lefties. The reality is that it cost Activision more to retain those 50k employees getting benefits than it would to pay Kotic, almost twice as much almost. That's not even going into the fact that part of Kotik's pay is in stock options and not actual cash

>Despite apparently having less cash than the homeless
where did he imply this retard

>and they have to be treated fairly
Think they're being treated fairly.*
Everything is morale buddy

Your example of "bad treatment" from Konami is mostly just them pushing behavior that is expected when you aren't earning a nigger salary, being sometimes a irrational is not the same as modern AAA game development being horrible to work at.

>He doesn't know the working conditions in the 1800s
Remember when edgy capitalist wanted to cut costs by not having fire emergency exits and fail safes on machines in factories? Yes there are unions that are corrupt but that doesn't mean you should throw out the baby with the bathwater. Things need to be fixed not banned.

And for you unionizing faggots who want to charge $120 or $70 for a video game. Fuck you we have families to feed too. We aren't paying that for your stupid game. Good luck marketing to the shrinking middle class that decides to work like you instead of having kids. Baby and childrens toys are dying industry that wave is going to hit you next

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It's called credit rerard

>implying
I don't ever pirate right now, but this would be a good reason to start. Fuck, I'm already paying $90 for a goddamn special edition 3DS game,

If they like their job, then why would they need a union to improve working conditions?

>That's not even going into the fact that part of Kotik's pay is in stock options and not actual cash
Its still property, that can be sold forward. If I would only get paid in cars and not money, thats fine. I still get money from selling those cars.

We don't allow articulated and thought out posts here, you gotta leave.
Or at least call the guy a nigger

>company/boss is wrong and ebil
>all the workers dindu nuffins

This mentally needs to stop. The people/workers never know better than the government/boss(unless the government/boss/company is libtard then yea the people are better which isn't really much either if the people are libtards too)

Whose fault is that?

If they love their job they'd stick through with the shit then

I didn't say improve though, did I?

>It's called credit RERARD
You sure showed him who is retard, user.

>corporations are greed
>they also hire CEOs and pay them unreasonable amounts of money for no reason

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Or they're preventing the industry from improving by enabling bad workers to have good jobs that good workers would have taken.

Good old games dont use digital rights managements systems.

good. industry needs another crash

Because your job is being made worse by corporate CEOs? How is this so difficult?

Unga Bunga worker bad. Unga Bunga EA Good.

Except no, he can't trade or sell the stocks until he leaves his position. Learn business please

>if you love your job you should take any kind of pay cut and have all your benefits taken away without trying to stop it because you shouldn't worry about your own living standards
Fuck off.

Rolled 5 (1d6)

Guess what the roll I just put in on options will be.

Amazing how people can't empathize with someone if they're not on the same standing as they are.
Like how all bosses are supposed to be evil cocksuckers that want you to work your dick off 24/7, but in reality the guy above you is usually working 10-12 hour shifts, 5-6 days a week because he's salary, so extra hours don't mean SHIT, and you notice 70% of your co workers are picking their noses and staring at their phones all day, but if you expect someone to work and you're not the boss, you're just a bootlicker, it can't be that you're tired of picking up slack from lazy mongoloids.

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>Be non-union Electrician
>Make 17 bucks an hour with only time and a half OT (if I'm lucky.)
>Boss would make me do all these dangerous jobs without the proper saftey precautions and equipment
>Would give me shit if I asked for the weekend off yet would be prepping to go on his 15th vacation that year
>Build a small solar farm next to his mansion so he could make more money while underpaid everyone else
>Would tell me and others we had to work through lunch to get the job done but wouldn't pay us for it because it's illegal not to give us time to eat
>IBEW approaches us to salt the company
>We do in a heartbeat
>Company is forced to unionize
>Suddenly make 43 bucks an hour with a pension and benefits.
>Only need to work 36hr weeks and all OT pays double
>Easily rake in 2 grand a week
>Everything needs to be done by the books for optimal safety
>Only difference now is boss has to take less vacations a year now lol

Why would you need a union then? If your working conditions get worse, then leave. If you tolerate it, then that's a choice you've made.

Not a thing in other countries, only exclusive to the US.
Who do you think suggests for those pay-raises? CEOs practically decide their own pay and manipulate share-holders to pay it. If you would ask any share-holder individually if they would pay that amount to any CEO, of course every single one of them would say no.

the companies will simply relocate in any instance in which that state allows unions. globally this isnt so much a thing

You're an idiot.