Sekiro lore tread

water = pure immortality (life force stealing)
centypide = flesh puppet immortality (no body regeneration)
water =/= centypide
is that so hard to understand you fuckers ?

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>people unrelated to Senpou that got infested by centipedes
Guardian Ape (sits directly at the source)
Corrupted Monk(same for her)
Hanbei

And lorelets still want you to believe that it was monks that used the centipedes to gain immortality.

Souls games have great gameplay but trying to make sense of a story is futile because of its heavily, heavily japanese spirituality influences.
The problem with souls stories is that even if they had extremely straightforward storytelling direction, they would still be utterly alien and ridiculous to the western mind because they're ALL based (even the lovecraftian inspired bloodborne) on Japanese ""spirituality"" aka the dumbest superstitions known to man (those same superstitions that build the souls lore are the reason why an entire class of workers are treated like subhumans in Japan, although it has gotten a lot less bad compared to centuries ago).
People who don't know about Shinto and the bits of Buddhism practiced in Japan will try very hard to look for deeper meaning in souls lore where there is none and in fact the thing is self explanatory but just doesn't make any logical sense, exactly like actual Shinto practice.

A few rare holdouts of those superstitions still do things like forbidding women from climbing mountains because they're a source of blood pollution (menstruation, child birth).

Don't let the westerny visuals mislead ya, even Demon's Souls was a Japanese story told with a western look and vocabulary. You could see the impact of the jap spiritual thoughts in elements like the karmic world's tendencies, the valley of defilement and so on.
The kind of thinking that drives the souls world building is a-l-i-e-n to any sort of rational thinking. There is no point in trying to make sense of the puzzle. To me, it is not the fact that Souls tell much of its setting from things like item description that makes them what they are but rather, that the writers are heavily influenced by a type of thinking that eludes rationality. I'm not surprised people will have trouble grasping wtf Shura is in Sekiro.

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Here's an example of Japanese ""spirituality"" core concept - Kegare (often translated as defilement, but having a more infectious, corrupting meaning, yet amoral, it is like a force of nature), and the way their mythos focused on purity vs impurity
>It records that in 642, a Prince Gyōgi 翹岐 of Paekche 百濟, accompanied by his family, made a state visit to the Nara court. While in Japan, his child died, and the prince and his wife were so fearful of defilement that they would not attend the funeral. The chronicle notes, “In general, the custom of [persons of] Paekche and Silla is that, when someone has died, even one’s father or mother, brother, spouse, or sister, one never looks upon that person again. In such utter lack of affection, how do they differ from birds or beasts?” By the mid-Heian period, however, very similar avoidances had been adopted among Japanese nobles and internalized to such an extent that they must indeed have appeared to be distinctively “Japanese.” Concerns about pollution avoidance played a vital role in state formation. Herman Ooms has traced how the sovereign Tenmu 天武天皇 (r. 673-86), who was instrumental in establishing the ritsuryō system, mobilized “purity” as a core value in legitimizing his rule.

Cringe

I had a thought that the centipedes just took over your body and made you a mindless puppet like toxoplasmosis or a parastic wasps, but I forgot Hanbei was still friendly and alert.

So Takeru died right? Can people with the Dragon's Heritage still die of old age, or did he actually manage to do the Immortal Severance? If he did, then why does it need to be severed again?

According to some facts I know are true the really really big caterpillars in the lake are larva. You know, baby centipedes..that are for some reason larger than the adult centipedes. But also, the larva can be even smaller and get into your blood. But also there are smaller centipedes that accompany the big centipedes that are not related whatsoever and this is true because I played the game and I'm autistic haha.

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Who ready for Young Robert DLC where the last boss fight has Armored Warrior coming in to help you?

no, they probably make life a living hell but don't take over your body

Oh my gosh, the monkey and the monk have the centipede?! Then it must be caterpillars in the water, right guy?

>Caterpillars are baby centipedes

yeah look
all this doesnt mean that you cant establish facts and correlations
cultures differ but its not loke they operate without logic

>moving goalposts this hard
Centipedes are in the water wether its the worms in the palace or not. Now fuck off.

They were glowing, large and long, go write more fanfiction.

or it could be that they just pick these spots for some reason
its not even stated that the valley water isnt just normal water and theres nothing to suggest it

Because that's why all the fishmen who partake in the divine waters for its effects have centipedes, right guy?

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There's even a quest where you see what happens when someone drinks the water haha. Did you not even play the game?

Valkey Water is the fountain water. It says so in the item description of the flower and the giant carp ends up in the guardian apes hole when you feed him truly precious bait.

>You will never put your lord inside the womb of an immortal little girl.

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What if the fountainhead water is just the dragons shitwater?

he is the tree and the tree is in the water so it kind of is

Explain Hanbei then who drank from the water and got infested and Genichiro who did the same but remained unaffected, I'm sure you can guess where I'm going with this. You fags are not even remotely as clever as you think you are.

>you will never eat loli eggs

Sekiro never got the chance to really 'kill' Genichiro with the Mortal Blade though, he ended up just opening a portal in himself.

She'd be much more attractive if she didn't have centipedes inside her

I thought she wasn't invested and had a shittier dragon blood immortality

He killed himself with the Mortal Blade in the same moment it opened a a portal to the underworld. Genichiro wouldnt have died if it didnt kill him, he'd just shrug it off.

The "rice" is centipedes eggs

She isn't, ignore headcanon niggers.

the centipedes do seem awfully related to the healing spring waters to be honest.

But on another note:
The Dragons are said to be at home in the west, and while the Imperial Chinese Dragon has five toes, the Korean Joseon Dynasty Symbol is a four toed dragon.

Coupled with the fact that Kuro has a very simple name for a noble, and is the divine heir to some undisclosed Family, could it be that he is actually from Korea?
The Korean peninsula was first unified by the Kingdom of Goryeo under the House of Wang.
The Wang ruled Goryeo until 1392, when the House of Yi usurped them and established the Joseon Dynasty.
Other ways to spell Goryeo include Koryo, Gureo and of course Korea, but one can't help but notice how similar all of those sound to Kuro.
Now that seems a bit out there, since why would anyone care about a former Korean royal Family member in Sengoku Japan?
Well, right at the climax of the Sengoku Jidai was the Imjin War, and during a Japanese Invasion of Korea, having the heir to the ancient House that unified Korea under your control might come in very handy indeed.

The Japanese would try something similar in WW2, setting up Puyi as Emperor of China, and offering the position to a descendant of Confucius who refused.

I thought Kuro was a Hirata, which is why before the Lady Butterfly fight he's trying to find his parents in the burning estate.

IIRC he is just residing at the Hirata Place, but the Hirata are just a cadet branch of the Ashina.

What is more autistic -
>Solaire is the son of Gwynn!!! or
>muh centipedes!!!
?

it's hard to tell on the little arms but the big arm of the divine dragon appears to have 4 toes

I don't think Kuro is actually korean since the whole point of the return ending is returning the blood to the dragon since it isn't meant to be in Japan. Kuro being Japanese would be a big part of the blood being in the wrong place

solaire was autistic but it actually had some substance as a stupid headcanon until DS3
I don't know how autistic muh centipedes is yet

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Lets see if this makes sense:
The water comes from the dragon from a spring that then cascades down and forms the lake, cascades down as a waterfall into the temple, and then finally into the sunken valley. If you drink the water, that makes you immortal, but drinking it also slowly turns you into fish people (which is why the old lady was still human, she didn't cop into that bullshit). The centipedes were introduced at some point by the monks, who became corrupted by them believing them to be of the divine worm (dragon). The monks were experimenting with the centipedes as a way to not turn into fish people while still being immortal, but it's a false sort of immortality because the centipede just acts as a parasite inside you and you die if they're removed. After being introduced, the centipedes have slowly made their way up and down stream from the temple to infect the sunken valley (which is how the ape got his) and upstream to lake where they started feeding on the immortal carp.

If you drink from above the lake though, you don't get centipede'd, which is why Genshiro didn't have one.

but if he is heir to the Dragons Bloodline he must be from the same place by default.
Not saying he's Korean in that sense, but I could see him being the heir of a Family that has been in Exile for 200 years.

Seems reasonable I guess. I still wonder how the centipedes were introduced. Or if it's just supposed to be seen as a physical manifestation of corruption.

the Centipedes are screaming Bloodborne.
In Bloodborne the Divine Old Ones had powerful blood, but they also had loads of parasites in it, and humans figured out those parasites are conduits for the powers in the blood and experimented with them, essentially fucking up everything.

Seems like the whole centipede business is similar.

Might just be a physical manifestation of corruption. They're probably demons.

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So the west is China or Korea? That sword the dragon uses is definitely the seven-branched sword. Wikipedia says the origin of the sword might be Chinese, but it is closer to Korea in terms of symbology and shit.

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centipedes are probably the sekiro version of those IRL parasites that kill the host, take hold of its brain and literally turn it into a zombie like creature - controlling its every movements until the parasite is removed

Where the fuck can i practice lightning reflect?

Dogs in Fountainhead. There isn't much to practice though, just jump and attack before reaching the ground

but training bro seemed fine...
maybe they imitate hosts personality
they might not even know they are just flesh puppets

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The Koreans had some cool crowns with similar motifs. Seems like it's supposed to represent reindeer, which is important in Korean shamanism. It may also have influences from the Scytho-Iranian tribes in that it might represent "the World Tree," which was important to their shaman tradition as well. I think it kinda looks like a river with smaller creeks and streams feeding one main river.

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it's probably a physical manifestation of the corruption. It's the same thing with vermin in BB and the deep in DS3. corrupted liquid has centipedes in it which draws from real insects like mosquitoes that lay eggs in stagnant water. However It doesn't seem like there are any real centipedes that lay eggs in water.

As for what caused the corruption I feel like it could have been the dead carp at the bottom of the palace lake with the worms and headless around it. It would also be a very bloodborne thing if parasites from a dead greater being caused corruption and infected regular people/animals since that's pretty much what happened in the fishing hamlet

Korea, everything about the dragon is korean