Now that the Souls series is behind us, was it really THAT bad?

I think it was pretty great given the turmoil that development went through

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This. Other than the shiny new engine, 3 was the weakest, most 'soulless' game in the series. Also the easiest. I have no idea why you faggots think any boss in this game is hard.

I even went back and replayed 2 AFTER 3 and it was better in every way other than 'muh iron keep'/majula heidis tower continuity and muh sparkly engine.

>too bad the playerbase has been dead for years
Uhh...

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That was some great DLC.

Dark Souls 3 may be more derivative (god forbid a sequel is actually a sequel) but it's infinitely more competent in terms of controls, core mechanics, level design, and bosses. You can just tell that Miyazaki was sick of the franchise and wanted out.

>core mechanics
Dark Souls 3 is R1: The Game.
Dark Souls 2, on the other hand, with powerstancing and dual wielding is ludo.

It's just not better in terms of movement, animations and how satisfying the combat overall feels.
3 also had MUCH better weapons in general. Most movesets are outright more versatile and I absolutely fucking love being able to leap attack from sprinting. Weapon arts also made several weapons more unique and useful.
I like 2 more though.

Every dark souls is R1 the game, it's not the series well known for it's combat system

>what is power stance

no more interesting two handing for you! Well just shoehorn in our two hand weapons.

Dark Souls 3 is the most blatant about it, since stamina management is non-existent. DeS and DaS you could only roll four (4) times at level 1 before running out of stamina; DaS3 you can roll ten (1) times before running out of stamina at level 1.

soul memory, i-frames tied to a stat, graphical downgrade, inconsistent world design, quantity over quality weapons, estus plus life gems plus healing items etc etc, being able to restat at will to trivialize any individual fight, forgettable npcs, pre patch shrine of amana, most enemies and bosses are humanoids with big swords, no poise, enemies with magnetic weapons and infinite stamina, casters that can cast spells without even being loaded in, invasions active when hollow, npc invaders with stats that make no sense, can't step over a knee high branch instead of beating four of the hardest enemies in the land, boss weapons can be infused with anything, mobs of enemies instead of smart AI, extremely underdeveloped lore even for a souls game, about a dozen bosses that are just reskins or DUDE TWO OF EM LMAO, and I could go on.

dark souls 2 was the game that made me stop preordering or even getting hype for games prerelease ever again

it's the worst looking from the 3, the enemies's animations are as dynamic as classic wow's, the world is boring and most places look like super mario stages
the enemies are meh, i like the idea of a human age centered game, but they should have had the enemies be more interesting looking than just different kinds of knights
the monsters are mixed, the spider is somewhat ok, but the tigers look horrible. with sif, it looks like they tried to actually wonder how a wolf would move and attack with a sword to make it look alive, but with the tigers they just went "have them scratch and so some magic they don't have to even move for"
there were good ideas, like building a team to fight another one and a king, the light system, agility the human era as i said before, etc
but most of those had a broken execution

(you)

>DaS3 you can roll ten (1) times before running out of stamina at level 1.
You can't, stop talking bullshit, DS2let.

>Dark Souls 3 is bad
>UNGA BUNGA ME ONLY ROLL TO 4 DIRECTIONS
>UNGA ME BACKSTAB YOU WITH MY +15 ZWEIHANDER
>UNGA OH NO A DARK MAGE UNGA BETTER D/C
>UNGA ME LOVE THE FREEDOM TO EXPLORE, ME START NEW GAME AND EVERY TIME I GO TO 20FPSTOWN BECAUSE I'M NOT A CASUAL

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A lot of padding but I enjoyed it about as much as I did DS1 and DS3.

>it's the worst looking from the 3

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>(god forbid a sequel is actually a sequel)
kys for defending this unoriginal shitpile with an argument as retarded as this. A sequel is for story progression and has no place in a series defined by its universe and explicit lack of story. DS3 has no excuse for its blatant asset recycling and shitty unnecessary references.

wow, that actually explains a lot

so many bunk points here.

Honestly not worth my time dealing with you though.

I am sorry you didn't enjoy the game user.

It was pretty bad. I can’t even remember 5 good bosses from that game.

Is Dark Souls 3 the most blatant, soulless cash grab in vidya? Not even Ubisoft are that bad.

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my favorite to replay

only suck-ass thing about it is soul memory

I hope whomever devised that piece of shit mechanic now lives their life as a hobo

no, in fact, its the best dark souls

autism

The only original souls game is Sekiro. All the other games use copy pasted assets. Little thing like climbing stairs, the character models, the hit boxes, it all feels copy pasted from Demon Souls.

weak bait

no matter how hard you try to shill this shitty opinion, everyone will still regard DaS3 as the best DaS with the bosses and gameplay.

Das3 is ''sorry about Das2": the game, but it's actually worse in all the wrong ways except maybe for muh interconnected level design, which is null and voided by teleportation bonfires anyway.

The absolute state of DS3lets.

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Dark Souls 3 has the best waifu

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pursuer

mirror knight guy

najka

freja

rotten

poison waifu

aldia

basically every dlc boss

Personal opinion though

>the chad roller vs the virgin ss meta

>best waifu

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>Dragon Rider
>Copypaste Dragon Riders
>Copypaste Ornstein
>Copypaste Gargoyles
>Copypaste Sentinels
>Copypaste Smelter Demon
>Copypaste Lud&Zullen
>Skelly Lords
>Covetous Demon
>Prowling Magnus
>Old Iron King
>Rat Vanguard
>Najka
>Defender & Watcher
>Nashandra
>Ancient Dragon
>Vendrick

>best bosses
Aside from Gundyr, Dancer and Nameless, the bosses are shit.

You'd have to be retarded to think that Linear Souls 3 is better than anything.

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No one's talking about Sekiro

Now compare the size of each game side by side.

You would run out of Dark Souls 1 before reaching half of Dark Souls 3

yes
Apparently they rolled a lot of levels back during development and what we got were "polished" alpha versions of the areas, hence why tons of them looked way more finished in the pre-release videos and trailers.

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>pontiff
>gael
>midir
>friede
>twin princes
>lothric
ummm, yeeeah sweety, no.

Lothric Princes?
Pontiff Sully?
Soul of Cinder?
Abyss Watchers?
Dragonslayer Armor?
Gael?
Turbo-Sif?
Fried?
Midir?

what a shitty opinion

If you were to horizontally lay out Dark Souls 1, it would be the biggest.

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it's only bad if you let Yea Forums memes dictate your life
but it is worse than other souls games

I'm in love

Yes, it was awful. And so is Sekiro.

>It's only bad if you let common sense dictate your life
Fixed.

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t. Forbes

>aldia
>mirror knight
>every dlc boss
>rotten
I can’t tell if you’re joking

I can tell that you're a tranny

Dark souls 2 wasnt a bad game
But it was inferior to the first
But the third is the best in the series

This is the only good opinion

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Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 3 were disappointing for completely opposite reasons.
Dark Souls 2 was uninspired as fuck, afraid to give the player a full red eye orb, fucked over the weapon scaling for no god damn reason, and forced you to level up adp in order to have your rolls mean anything. On top of this, Scholar of the First Sin is flat out worse. However, bonfire acsentics made replays a breeze, power stances were a neat, albeit somewhat useless, inclusion, the DLCs were some of the best Souls levels period, and the pvp worked pretty well.
Dark Souls 3 had a way better base game, the combat was less clunky, and the bosses in general were more interesting. However, despite giving you full red eye orb, invasions were one way tickets to being gangbanged, every weapon that was good was nerfed to shit despite being mostly a PVE game, replaying it was a fucking chore considering NPC quests constantly required you to go out of your way, and you couldn't plan different routes on going through the game. They also took the demon's souls approach to weapon infusions, most of which being redundant, since you'd only infuse a weapon to its respective STR or DEX or whatever infusion if it already had good base scaling.
Dark Souls 3 is a better game overall, but they both failed to make outright improvements to Dark Souls 1 as a sequel. I'm just happy the series is over.

There were no memorable bossfights in 3

The whole game is generic as fuck.

This.

I thought it was really bad because of shitty hitboxes, but then I found out what ADP and Agility did and thought that it was really bad because of this.

I would give it a pass if they changed the roll animation to clearly show that low ADP will give you a useless dodge while high ADP will give you something like Dark Souls 1.

>easy boss with an irrelevant gimmick
>dlc
>dlc
>dlc
>okay-ish fight, gets more annoying when they start teleporting
even if those were all good fights, there's still a bunch of shitty ones

Yes you fuck damn. Really tired of seeing these threads on this shitty game.

youtube.com/watch?v=59eLW1IGUCU

Horizontally laid out DS1 beats out in actual area-variety but DS3 beats out in sheer size per-area. DS1 regions are quite small compared to DS2 or DS3 regions (you have to merge some uniquely-titled areas to arrive at the same breadth as DS3, ie Crystal Caves + Seath's Archive or Darkroot Garden + Basin), it's a whole ten-twenty seconds cutting through from Blighttown to Valley of the Drakes to New Londo.

What went wrong, Yea Forumsros?

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>DLC doesn't count

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As said before, they basically released an alpha version.

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The mirror knight fight especially shows the downgraded difference. Its just sad. However DaS2 had more issues than just graphics and lighting.

THe downgrade was real and probably the games biggest flaw.

The fact that they charged us for the graphics update and split the community was salt on the wounds.

Still a better game than 3

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It becomes especially evident in the FotFG compared to the memories version which still uses the newer map.

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you sound like you have clinical depression

I never played the dlc so I can't argue about those bosses anyway.

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>Still a better game than 3
That's not saying much.

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Those textures were actually supposed to be hidden by darkness and details like large gargoyle heads.

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probably

people love you, user

I bet you have a family that wants to see you healthy

This is why I will continue to say that the Dark Souls sequels were a damn mistake. They actually take away from all the Souls games since if it was just DeS, DaS, Bloodborne and then Sekiro From would look way better off for it. The DaS sequels were just pure cashgrabs that ultimately hurt the legacy of the genre From built.

>They actually take away from all the Souls games since if it was just DeS, DaS, Bloodborne and then Sekiro From would look way better off for it.
if you're autistic...

maybe, but despite the shittiness at times, the games were a lot of fun to playthrough and there is not much else out there that can scratch that itch

He's not wrong. DaS2 and 3 legitimately among the worst games ever made, only defending by the utmost Fromcucks.

>playing from soft game for a challenge
also it was the most complete game other then sekiro

oh, I've never played them

I just blindly defend anything From makes because Reddit told me to

>most complete
Do you know anything about the development cycle of DS2?

Based.

>DaS2 and 3 legitimately among the worst games ever made
>God please let my bait be attended.

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The only exclusive games they have are Demon Souls and Bloodborne. Everything else is multiplat.

It was actually quite fun. People just treated this literal game as more than a toy.

>literally cant finish the game
>still more complete then all other from games
sadly i know too much about this shitty series

Hate to break it to you, but From existed before 2009.

oh yeah, and you loved them from the beginning right?

>Demon Souls and Bloodborne
these are the ones that get the most praise though

Incorrect.

what the fuck is Demon's Souls?

Yes.
Any seasoned ludotrician is a King's Field and Armored Core player.

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You mean, these are the least played entries and the more shielded by Sony negros

>Demon Souls and Bloodborne
Nope, it's Dark Souls 1.

nobody has played King's Field

most people are pretty sure that its just made up

They do hurt the games legacy a bit man. Now if maybe 2 and 3 were combined into one game, meaning From actually took a lot more time to release 2 and perhaps released it a year after Bloodborne and also meaning no DaS3, then perhaps a sequel to DaS would have been a lot better and more exciting. Instead though Namco rushed the hell out of From into releasing these games. They do hurt the legacy a bit. They aren't awful but they definitely aren't as amazing as people seem to think either.

>they definitely aren't as amazing as people seem to think either.

is it possible that your opinion is the wrong one?

Just because zoomers haven't, doesn't mean no one played them. King's Field is the thinking man's game.

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>Demon's Souls is God tier
>Dark Souls is shit tier
>Bloodborne is God tier
>Dark Souls 3 is shit tier
>Sekiro is God tier

It's a clear pattern. The numbers don't lie.

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Well its just an opinion so there isn't a right or wrong opinion here. I just think these DaS sequels are clearly lacking compared to the rest of the games From made. Nobody can argue that DaS2 didn't need more time to polish either because it certainly did.

>DeS is god tier
>DS1's first half is god tier, second half is shit tier
>DS2 is meh, god tier DLCs
>Bloodborne is god tier
>DS3's base is good, great DLCs
>Sekiro is god tier, but not a Souls game despite insistence otherwise from Souls rapefugees

ds2 is my favorite souls game but yeah there are some bad parts
I honestly like it because it's way more relatable than the others

Bloodborne's second half is shit too. Sekiro is their only consistently good game.

>it's way more relatable than the others
elaborate

I wish I could play this on PC with mouse/keybaord because the game is so fucking good but holy fuck are the controls pure anus. It sucks because its so bad I cant stand playing it, yet Kings Field is pretty much one of the games that scratches all my itches.

Dips only slightly after Rom. Not as much as DaS1.

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>was it really THAT bad?
it literally has the best multiplayer out of all 6 games, so no
SM is worse than SL matching but it's not that bad
ADP triggers people so hard i've taken a liking to it
Ultimately it's in the top 3 for me and I think it's my most played overall

>only slightly
Every level is a hallway and there are only two good bosses (both of which are optional). It's DaS2 tier.

Old Hunters is probably the best dlc From has put out though

That sort of makes up for it

fuck I meant replayable

Honestly with SOTFS and the DLC is an actual good game.

I wished it could've been as good as it should've, but it's alright. I have a special place in my heart for this game.

>only two good bosses (both of which are optional)
Sill counts, retard.

>not made my miyazaki
i love it, bravo three cheers, 3 great dlcs, thick as a brown waifu with a 8 pack diamond abs, oh yes!!
>latest made by miyazaki (sekiro)
what the fuck is this spam to win, crazy speed gap, no gear, laggy ass control piece of hyena diarrhea????

welp i guess i just HATE the man.
bring back armored core ya lazy nip!

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Sekiro is literally the best game ever made.

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to you.
i hate it.
have fun.

>i hate it.
That's because you're trying to play it like a Souls game, instead of playing it like a Sekiro game.

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exactly
dark souls gets criticized all the time

>rapier dex build
>spam r1
>win
s-souls series is h-hard i swear

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It's also widely seen as the best game ever made.

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based revisionist retard
outside of Yea Forums, DaS1 consistently ranks higher than BB and DeS is entirely forgotten
the sequels are no where to be seen

ds3 DLCS are proof the game is a cashgrab, they just show what ds3 could've been if it wasn't rushed

The only people who think Souls games are hard are games journos.

Yea Forums voted Dark Souls as the best game of all time last year.

...if anything, DaS1 would be the most "overrated".

yeah its pretty bad, HOWEVER, its really not any worse than the other 2

More like the most underrated.

>moving goal posts this hard
of course dark souls is generally considered the best, im talking about discussion on Yea Forums

Yea Forums literally voted Dark Souls as the best game of all time, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

It was very uninspired, the enemy and boss designs were fucking trash.

For some reason I had so much trouble getting the hang of it when it first released but now I think the game is even more busted than dark souls one in terms of balance. It doesn’t take long to upgrade weapons to max and stats are a lot more powerful in ds2 too. Plus there’s nothing stopping you from hoarding healing items by using vendors and grinding millions of souls with bonfire ascetics

Of course not.
There's plenty good it does. It's not amazing but people need to stop hate circlejerking over it.

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Just start ds1 remastered a few weeks ago playing it on and off. First time playing a souls game.
Honestly I am having a lot of fun with it. Capra demon was a bight of a nightmare with my build but meh.
That being said I don't see how people put hundreds and hundreds of hours into them.
pvpfags are literally the worst of the worst. Below speedrunners and moba players

No one unironically puts hundreds of hours into them. They're games that you replay once a year or so.

>No one unironically puts hundreds of hours into them.
I'm sure everyone on Yea Forums is just joking and all their steam profiles are photoshopped.

>I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Dark souls gets more criticism then demons souls and blood borne, what Yea Forums voted the best game has nothing to do with the amount of discussion and which games criticism is aimed at

>r*ddit spacing
>no arguments
>faggy passive aggressive tone
The perfect storm.

This.

BB and Sekiro 10/10
Ds1 9.5/10
DeS 8.5/10
Ds2 6.5/10
Ds3 0/10

>playing from soft game for a challenge
Literally the only thing they are worth playing for. Maybe exploration as well. But story is weak in all souls games and sekiro (don't know about the story in BB).

Swap Sekiro and DS1 and this is correct.

majula is probably the most comfy area of any souls game
youtube.com/watch?v=p9hoAyx3-0I

that's fair
sekiro will definantly be 10/10 once the dlc comes though
it's great that there's so much perfection

I also think the stealth was kind of haphazardly handled. I know it's not meant to be something like Thief, but I was kind of shocked at how hilariously poorly enemies reacted to you when you were stealthing around. Trivialized a lot of areas.

It's wack. Had some interesting ideas, but ultimately it's trash compared to DkS1 and 3.