Fuck this

You idiots have had, and still have, plenty of time to purchase it. Stop pretending you've had a slap around the face and were going to do it if you hadn't.

In what world is this a good thing for consumers?

this. we need to teach them that if they suck China's cock they are not going to see any money from the market. furthermore, review bomb them wherever possible without purchasing the game (YouTube comments on trailers etc)

Uplay already prevented me from purchasing these games anyway.

>Good thing for consumers happens
Good in what way?

steam has groomed a generation of pc gamers, it's really scary desu

go to bed tim

Healthy competition is good.
Epic is not good.

>oh no epic is taking all our geames

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>Purchasing a Ubisoft PC game outside of Uplay

I'd rather deal with only one launcher than two, thanks.

tiananmen square massacre

The first quarter of 2019 ends tomorrow. Time to work on your butthurt and move towards acceptance, drones.

Not only are these violent outbursts unhealthy, they are also getting boring for the rest of us.

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How are store exclusives good for the consumer?

Wasn't Epic's choice re: Metro Exodus either, Tigger.

this is not fair to Gaben

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>Good thing for consumer
Somehow these extra millions of dollars for the devs while sacrificing my QoL options are better for the consumer
>Multi-billion dollar company that doesn't need the extra money and will prolly just waste it paying basedcucks on twitch to promote their shit product more

Unironically tie a noose around your fucking neck and end it.

Oh noes, I have to take 3 minutes to install another launcher (which, btw, can be uplay). I hope everyone there dies of camcer.

How much of a whiny little shit can you be?

>outright removing games from steam to put it in epic store

this is a new one

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This is good - in the way that now you get to choose between the Lazy,Fat, Stagnant but Comfortable American Girl you've known all along, or the Young, Hip, Seductive, Immature Chinese Girl who's flashing a lot of cash to get your attention.

You're finally the MC in your harem anime, guys.

>Oh noes, I have to take 3 minutes to install a botnet

ftfy

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Bestiality is illegal.

>Unironically tie a noose around your fucking neck and end it.
>implying that brainlet chink knows how to tie a noose
he should off himself the Chinese way, by going into an elevator closing doors or using an escalator.

>our money is being funneled into China
>this is supposed to be a good thing

Wipe the chink cum off your chin, shill.

Were you not here for the Metro Exodus shitstorm? Or do you only care because you were actually interested in this particular game?

now, you know why epic store is getting more hate.

go killl yourself

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>it only takes three minutes to install this information leaking launcher
>you ever get to pay more if you don't live in certain regions
And that's a good thing!

first, this
but even if it wasn't a spyware, why would I agree such aggressive anti-consumer practice? and there's no telling what they'll do if they succeed to take a huge chunk of the market, today it's "just" install, tomorrow you'll be forced to put your credit card even if you only play freeware or give them access to your email and then what?

never trust a chink, especially when they try to force you into something

is the launcher a trojan? I was warned about these from my parents

More like "oh no I have to install another bloated launcher that takes up unecessary space on my computer and now I have to keep track of my big library of games across several different digital stores"

>purchasing games
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
not me

*pirates the game*

While he types like a spastic, he's right still. You HAVE to use Uplay to run Ubisoft games anyway. That's why I don't buy Anno anymore. The thing's a fucking trainwreck. So buy it directly on Uplay you retarded fucks.

>You idiots have had, and still have, plenty of time to purchase it
Why the fuck would I support them now? Also I don't prepurchase games. Fuck off.

The same thing happened with Metro. Saves me some money I guess. Shame I like both series and have always end up buying their games.

Unironically stay mad faget.

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Yes, my glorious Chinese overlord. I shall install your launcerh and give you all my data.
All hail Mao

lemme show you something, kid

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>Pirating
>An Anno game
Good fucking luck with that retard.

the epic launcher is pretty much spyware.

Quick rundown on the China thing?
What does it have to do with Epic?

So this literally doesn't affect you in any way at all and you're just taking time out of your weekend to shitpost. Terrific stuff, thanks for the contribution.

Ubisoft know they won't get many sales from epic store, they just want to push Uplay sales, plus it's free bribe money from epic.

>people replying to such an obvious bait
every time

lurk moar, seething chink shill

The EGS/Tencent shills are getting more and more aggressive, pulling the "gamers are worthless" cards. How long until this becomes a matter of identity politics, and you're a fascist transphobic white supremacist neo nazi for not wanting to give the chinks your business?

Discord does all of those as well and no one seems to care

If you have steam installed the launcher will go poking around your config files with personal info in them without informing you.

>I have to install another bloated launcher that takes up unecessary space on my computer
you wish it was just space, even if epic wasn't a spyware and was a legit software, it would still add tons of bs background services that's actively takes up cpu even when epic is not running

U okay bro?

Thanks, cancelled my order since they are going to get paid for it to not sell anyways, I'll have fun playing it day one.

Epic Store or Steam makes no fucking difference when you still have to use Uplay either way.

You may as well just buy it on Uplay to begin with.

>natural competition via better platform drawing developers in
vs.
>publisher w/ worse platform using money to strongarm an eventual monopoly away from the steam/gog/etc. circle

Gee I wonder why people are angry. It's almost like this is an unhealthy practice or something.

>You see the mote in your brother's eye, but you do not see the beam in your own eye'.

Have you lived under a rock?

What do you think?

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Tencent owns a part of Epic.
Tencent is a chinese company.
I'm sure you can work out the rest.

>buying ubi games on anything except uplay even if the game was staying on steam
for what purpose?

>Things that totally happened.
It's absolutely pathetic that valve fags rattle off the same childish script every time Epic gets a game.
Apparently none of you faggots actually do anything though as everything is selling amazingly on Epic.

>Good thing for consumers happens
How exactly using a subpar store is good for me?

dude wtf the dude is just asking don't be a faggot.
Epic is owned by tencent, a shady Chinese corporate with lots of bad practices.

Tianmen square massacre

pc fags are a joke

It would make sense if they did cancel. It would then look like they went right ahead and bought on Epic instead, hence the "better than Steam" sales numbers.

Why doesn't steam do something to stop this bullshit?

Not like it matters but this is a first one for me to cancel a preorder to go for pirating.

Wow, so it's literally fucking nothing?

Tencent owns a chunk of virtually every fucking publisher on the planet dipshit.

Steam raised pc gaming from the dead in the first place.

Tianmen square massacre

40% of Epic Games is a little more than a chunk

The absolute state of Steam keks.

Maybe if the fat greedy jew didn't take so much money from developers to use his platform this wouldn't be happening.

I think the most bizarre thing about this specific game getting epic'd is a twitter exchange I came across while navigating the salt fields. I'm starting to doze off or else I'd link it, but it went something like this:
Guy1: @Tim didn't you guys say you weren't going to do this anymore just a week ago
Guy2: Did they say that? Got a link?
Guy1: Yeah, they said they wouldn't do it anymore, but they just did, let me get you a link
Tim Sweeney: Here's the interview you were talking about with that quote

Like what
I'm using the last of my energy to finish this post, some user please go screenshot that please in case it gets deleted, that's just the weirdest shit I've seen in these retarded launcher wars good night to the shills and shitposters alike

Like what?

Steam really needs to start doing something about publishers using steam as free advertising during the preorder period and then dropping steam on release

Why would you cancel a pre-order?
You can get it on Steam.
You can get it on Epic.
You can get it on Uplay, which you'll be forced to use anyway.
And pirating an Anno game is guaranteed to lock you out of a fuck ton of content.

They'll weather it; Epic said themselves they can't keep buying exclusives like this.

Metro is just delayed on steam
Anno is gone forever

>everything is selling amazingly on Epic
ha

no one here gives a fuck about steam, personally gog >>> steam. we are mad about filthy chinks trying to force us to use their spyware by creating fake exclusives and literally take games off-shelves of other stores. the other store just happens to be steam but could have been anyone.

No, it's just that, a chunk, not even a controlling share.

>Metro Exodus was $60 on Steam in my country
>after the Epic buyout, it's $110
>WHY AREN'T YOU HAPPY
I can't even tell you go go back to China because I live in Southeast Asia.

There's nothing they can do. I don't believe there's anything they need to do either. If the next one is on Steam (Epic can't buy exclusives forever) then the consumer will likely buy it where their bigger library already is - Steam.

At any point does Epic plan to make their storefront actually attractive to use? It is a massive pile of shit currently and if they would make it worth looking at less people would be upset.

You can install uplay you brainlets

It was already like this before epic store

Metro Exodus sold amazingly, The Division 2 sold amazingly, every single big title that's jumped ship has sold extremely well.

Seethe more faggot.

>And pirating an Anno game is guaranteed to lock you out of a fuck ton of content.

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>On consoles and pre-orders from Steam
Show us the actual numbers, shill.

I've used GoG since beta, but never bought a new game on it. Just the fre games I got for participating in the beta and a small number of classics which I would have been better off pirating in all honesty.

The trouble is I found that GoG was slow as fuck to download (haven't done it in ages though). It's also never as cheap as Steam, so unfortunately Steam gets my money.

Grim forecomings.

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>Metro Exodus sold amazingly
Probably from people mass buying on Steam before it left
>The Division 2 sold amazingly
Guarantee it's mostly from UPlay only, since that's the only way to get from a third party store except EGS.

Nice try, though

>move metro exodus from steam to the egs
>lots of news articles about this
>lots of discussion about this
hey look it's free advertising

What's your point? You can pirate the base version with none of the updates, none of the daily content, none of the weekly content, none of the online components, none of the voting for world events etc

Pirated versions of Anno have been seriously gimped since 1404 newfag.

>he doesn't buy ubi games directly from uplay where you get 20% off games by redeeming your club points you earn by just playing video games
its time to remind you the uplay meme is outdated

These are trying times, Karen poster

Why would you use the "OMG Epic is owned up to 40 % by Tencent so they´re controlled by the Chinese to control the World!" narrative when just saying they´re being anti consumer greedy cunts is enough?

Ubisoft doesn't give a shit about Epic by the way. They get payoffs and a lot more sales directly from Uplay.

EGS literally just installs a uplay installer for Division 2

Do you play league of legends or path of exile? How about discord?
They do this too but no one seems to care about that

SEEEEEEEEEEEETHING.

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So amazingly no numbers are ever given and it's all just "totally more you guys" without context. Truly inspirational.

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Because they're doing both

No actual numbers though.

>Metro Exodus sold amazingly
According to Epic who refuses to give out sales numbers. They also said it sold 2.5 times of Last Light which sold like 50k copies so that's 125k, when Last Light Redux sold 1.5 million.
>The Division 2 sold amazingly
On uPlay where pre-orders skyrocketed on when the Epic announcement was made.
>every single big title that's jumped ship has sold extremely well
Examples?

The only advantage Uplay has over anything else is that it is a fraction less shit than Epic.

No shit. They just get a bigger cut.
They don't give a shit about Steam either if they can sell directly to gamers on different venues

>And claims the decision has already paid off by diverting more players to its Uplay portal

God damn, even the articles trying to hype Epic admit they are doing it to drive more people directly to Uplay, brutal.

>claims
>"six times higher"

nice no numbers u got there

>be fat gaben
>charge developers between 30 - 70% to sell games on steam
>be Epic charge developers 18% across the board

Wonder why they are all jumping ship....

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I'm sorry that you don't know what SIX TIMES MORE means user, maybe you should go back to pre-school.

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Weird that you guys wanted Steam to have a monopoly. You're turning into consolefags with all this crap.

>Good thing for consumers happens
The market called it said no

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You got the numbers mixed up LL sold 20k so it's 50k at most, even worse

Yeah sure whites dindu nuffin with call of duty and fifa sales

(on yuplay)

Funny how all the publishers and developers that supports LGBT/feminism/censorship and whatever gay trending political garbage are always the first to go anti-consumer

Subnautica's Epic shilling is hilariously one of the most hypocritical things ever.
>make game where a tyrannical government basically enslaves humanity and denies them their rights
>proceed to give the game away for free on Epic Games and shill for China
I'm beginning to think that a few lefties are unironically becoming commies.

>>>>>>>>>>Good thing

6x on their own proprietary store, not epic or overall sales.
A store they require you to have an account with regardless of where you buy their games.

Sales numbers, gimme. Gimme gimme gimme, they're so great so I'm sure you have them.

Holy shit, that's even lower than I remember, damn.

>charge developers between 30 - 70% to sell games on steam

Whose ass did you pull that stat from?
You also know Steam makes no money from third party sales, whereas you can't buy EGS exclusives from third party.

>missing numbers

>ubisoft game
Just get it on uplay, no game of theirs works without it
Also, is this another ' le epic exclusive for one year, look at us!' gambit?

Explain how it is a bad thing?

but le chinese boogeyman stealing your data

Tell me how China would care about this whole Epic thing when they dominate in the mobile space?

You're basing your player counts off of concurrent players not all of them. And if the devs where happy with the decision, which they've expressed many times, then your little rinky dink internet opinion on the matter isnt really going to do anything. You really think all of these developers would be jumping to epic if there wasn't some sort of reassurance that there product is going to do fine on their platform? I mean believe it or not but the majority of people will go over to wherever there are cool games. Epic has cool games, it's as simple as that

>Whose ass did you pull that stat from?
It has always been that much and obviously they don't make money from third party sales.

Subnautica and Below Zero are chink owned games,

>Unknown Worlds Entertainment is a Chinese-owned American game-development company whose goal is to "unite the world through play". Based in San Francisco, California, the studio is best known for the Natural Selection series and Subnautica.

Notice how the chinese will put their game on all platforms except western retards will accept Epic's exclusivity. Chinks aren't stupid

Yup, that's a pirate for me.

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>Epic has cool games

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epic is literally paying them to cuck their own store by making people run to uplay instead of egs. i can't even imagine how hard ubi laughs at epic every day. just wait until the next ass creed or rainbow six comes out.

>chinamen strongarming their way into relevancy
>"""""""good thing for consumers"""""""""
Epic is benefitting developers and themselves
there's literally articles where that cunt says consumers don't matter as much as developers.
Just because Valve are kikes doesn't mean we should pack up and haul ass over to the chinks

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Goal post shifting valve fags be seeeeeeeeeeeeeeething.

Time to wake up and realise Steam is fucking done, in a few months Epic has already managed to do catastrophic damage to Valve and this year is going to be nothing but one rape after the other.

Same

Man that's fucked
Guess I'm not paying for Ubishit anymore
Excellent bait, congrats on the (you)'s

You would of pirated it anyway because you have no money.

>illiterate
>says others are seething.

>Muh corporation is better than your corporation.
The state of modern gaming.

You should care about the games and the devs who make them not some third party who takes a cut from both of you.

The 30% was widely quoted (again, not true re: 3rd party sales), but where's that 70% bullshit from?

it's easier to charge less when the Chinese government cover the losses and tour primary goal is stealing information and market domination

hi there friend! it seems that your post is lacking an argument, would you like to try again?

>exclusives are good for the consumer.
You've been hitting the koolaid a bit too hard, shill

I fucking love all the butthurt Epic are causing with this

No I have money, I didn't lose it all in the 1989 Tienanmen Square Massacre.

painfully obvious poorfags who wouldn't buy it anyway

>steam is fucking done
>just had Resi 2, DMC 5, Sekiro
>just secured all of Bethesda's titles
>Halo

F for steam lads

>Phoenix point, outerworlds, metro, Ubisoft games, countless curated Indies
Yes lmao just because they aren't up your alley doesn't mean they aren't appealing to the majority

You must be the reason as to why my fries is always so salty.

Brand loyalty to a fucking store is a bitch, eh OP?

No its Muh western/american-owned corporation vs chinese owned corporation

>no proton
>no linux support
Just as steam made linux gaming 100% viable they pull this shit. If you are going to force me to boot to windows for your game, I'm damn well gonna pirate it.

Ubisoft CEO: Hey, let's sell our game on an inferior platform with less customer base, so we can sell less copies of an already "niche" game.
Brainless faggot.

God damn, how much money is the Chinese government paying these companies to get control of the market?

You don't get it, do you?
It's not that Steam is great
It's just that EGS is so much worse.

>Steam is fucking done
couldn't care less, I'll just use gog. none of us gives a shit about steam we just hate Chinese spyware.

PS Tianmen square massacre

So you have no actual proof of these amazing numbers in a topic where the absence of shouting it from the rooftops is quite damning.

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This board fucking sucks

I don't need to argue, the facts are the facts, you wouldn't be crying like a faggot if Steam wasn't getting wrekt.

Steam are losing exclusives left and right, they're going on to sell amazingly elsewhere, Steam isn't doing shit to stop the haemorrhaging, Gabe will probably sell his shares in Valve in the next few years, most likely to Chinks.

You'll lose either way.

It's zero effort to install another launcher (be that uplay or any other). If the devs make more money it IS good for the consumer.

You don't matter, faggot.

Exclusives cause other stores to rethink their process. Make better features and invest in studios. So yes it is better for the consumer. I remember when origin had such a great refund policy that it made steam shit themselves and rework their own refund policy. This is the same shit but with games

No, it's not. Get off the bandwagon.

I was willing to give Epic Store the benefit of doubt but they already lost my trust forever for spying on the user's Steam data. Never using that shit now.

EGS and its launcher are objectively worse, ignoring all the anti-consumerism and Chinese black magic.

>save us steam save us!!!

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Why are you do defensive user, surely Epic isn't a threat so you have nothing to worry about, right?

>not buying a product because you don't like or agree with it or a decision by those associated with i is apparently edgy or contrarian
>also you're poor for not throwing your money mindlessly at a hobby most think of as childish or wasteful anyways

I'll never really understand this industry, or how they try to market their products.
Especially the marketers here.

Isn't Ubisoft french?
Install uplay and get it over with.

And btw I could not give a single shit where the corporation is from. I care about the developer, not the means through which they get paid and I get access to their product.

>Making people who use Steam angry at you for taking away their videogames will make them switch to your platform.
These people are truly geniuses.

S

Do you use the internet in any capacity? Do you use Windows? Do you use discord? Why the fuck does data hording only matter when it comes to video games?

>no linux support
Into the trash it goes

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>you wouldn't be crying like a faggot
I'm not?
what a bizarre post

Ubisoft is just using Tencent store to get new Uplay users.

>All those delusions
Wait for a year, why dont you? When Epic has to pay off all those developers for poor sales and when they release on steam
Besides, if sales are so good, lets have numbers, even an estimate. Surely you, as a chink, are not bad at simple multiplication, right?

That's literally what happened with Metro and The Division 2.

the devs don't make more money, publishers do

>zero effort to install xyz
Not an argument.
>Dev make money consumer happy
You're dumb if you think devs will actually think to give back to the consumer. They are going to take the money and run just as they accepted the chink bucks to be exclusive in the first place. Don't support shitty sellouts who just want a quick dollar.

The first good argument made against epic store in this thread.

Steam doesn't believe in the monopoly. If they do what Epic does, they would be hypocritical af. Steam stays neutral and may re-adjust the cut rate again.

Hahaha the absolute state of seething Steamcucks. Go cry into your GabeN body pillow.

>support a dev/publisher after they insulted and fucked you

why?

I said western you stupid retard.

>I'm not?
Ahahahahahaha

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>What
>Who
>a mediocre shooter
>Uplay games
>crap
Get a load of this guy cool games
>the majority
kek, are you even serious? the majority doesn't even know those games exist.

I enjoy riling up young Chinamen. But I'd still like those amazing sale numbers so you can blow me the fuck out with them.

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Which goes back into investing in developers? It's not like it goes to the top three dogs of the publisher lmao

As if Uplay wasn't reason enough already.

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we truly live in a dystopia society

What is 2.5x the sale, what is SIX times the sales?
Those are numbers user, if you're too dumb to do anything with them, that's not my problem.

The fact is games are selling better WITHOUT Steam.

You should hop of Yea Forums for a minute and realize that it isn't the entirety of the gaming community

>I remember when origin had such a great refund policy that it made steam shit themselves and rework their own refund policy
cool revisionism bro, it's only because of EU laws steam did refunds, they couldn't give two shits about origin frankly.

Epic is just strong-arming devs away from steam because they have chink bucks backing them. Forcing more people onto a chinese botnet to sell more data isn't good for the consumer. You're being played for a fool and don't even realize it.

I remember being optimistic for like five minutes that steam was going to have competition until I realized that a portion of my wishlist had suddenly been made the first wave of exclusives. It was a nice five minutes at least, but fuck this moneyhat bullshit forever. In an ideal world all games would be on all stores, but I'm not going to support these bribes from any store, steam included if they start.

those are multipliers, not sales numbers

>If they do what Epic does

They just did exactly that you moron, Halo, Bethesda games

>Still doesnt give the numbers
The whole world sees you as a joke, epicshill. Seethe harder

Are you retarded? Metro Exodus and The Division 2 have proven no one cares about Steam except a few little crying bitches.

just accept that china owns you bitch

we're gonna get all your women pregnant

Only idiots didn't just pirate Metro and who gives a shit about yet another ubisoft bullet sponge shooter.

Win7 without any of the telemetry updates installed.

>Discord
Fuck no.

i know right grr im so mad I;m going to purchase more csgo keys and boxes to show those geedy chinese whos boss.

GoG is frequently cheaper than steam even in a sale v sale, and it has games steam doesn't. I've probably spent a bit over $100 on GoG and I have 200+ games, with even a decent number of AAA and even the old as shit games are good and long ones.

Did Steam pay them to do it? Nope.

In other news: Anno 1800 is CPY-exclusive.

>2.5x the sale, what is SIX times the sales
2.5 times of what though?

So, it sold more than the worst selling one but if they'd admit that they'd look very silly. I thought you guys were supposed to be good at math.

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>being this mad about being able to play a game uou would of played anyway but on a different platform
Why do people suck Gabes dick so much and defend steam like their virginity?

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you are fucking retarded chink shill.

Steam didn't moneyhat microsoft nor bethesda you idiot

Imagine getting this mad over an irrelevant store front.

I mean unless of course it's not irrelevant and it's a genuine threat kek

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But if the game sells well the publisher will be more likely to continue investing in the game (patches, DLC, sequels etc) or titles similar to it.

And in the few cases where the developer is also the publisher such as in the case of Phoenix point, a game I'm very excited about, then it's even a bigger win for the developer.

Six times what? One?

Do you use the internet? How about discord? Google anything recently? What about a smart phone?

You're already being played as a fool and you just want to pretend to be outraged because video games

Prove it.
We already know Valve has quietly been giving better rates of return to top publishers for years.

>you'll have to use this anti-consumer malware instead of another anti-consumer malware

Steam was never, and still isn't, a good platform. I don't understand the stockholm syndrome of this board.

this is the china way this what worked for huwei why wouldn't it work for epic.

Ubisoft playing 4D chess:
>Receive money from Epic to put game in their store instead of Steam
> Hater will buy from uPlay instead
> Keys from other Store are uPlay key
>Profit

>if I use one botnet I need to use them all like I'm a fucking pokemon master

>LL sold around 20k units in it's lifetimes
>at best it sold 50k on epic
>LL redux menawhile has 1.5 million sold units on steam
Sure worked out great for them.

>citation needed

C O P E
O
P
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Fat shit gabe loves chinks and now paid for exclusives.

>pointing out holes in an argument
>LOL U MAD

were you dropped on your head as a child or something?

...

Steam doesn't have a monopoly so the only one in the wrong is Epic for trying to monopolize ips that aren't inherently theirs.

Did Valve Fags get this assblasted about the Discord or Razer Store? Why are they so threatened by Epic?

then what is the alternative one?
Don't tell me the console, they are the lite-spyware DRM machines.
Origin and uplay? lmao

Better the devil you know, and they don't want anything worse than Steam, which EGS is.

>refusing to use this piece of shit means you're exclusively loyal to something else
Maybe people just don't like your particular brand of shit.

>steam
>shares
>believes in literal PR speak with no evidence

did your brain recently get damaged or were you born that way?

chink seething

you're welcome.

Discord and Razor Store didn't steal games with Yen and V-Bucks

What argument?
It's just you fags crying about the fact that games are doing just fine, if not better without Steam.

And that's all these threads are, you, crying, like a bitch.

Most people on this board are unironic steam drones that still think Gabe is their friend.

How is Steam bad? I really like the workshop and the fact that many games support direct invites through Steam

>slap around the face
calling others idiots

this

Fuck Ubisoft too for pulling this shit.

I buy shit from Origin,Uplay, and discord, depends on who has the best deal.
Problem is that forcing exclusivity and yanking the game from other stores is a really bad look.

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Okay so it only matters when it comes to video games, got it

What exclusive catalogue of games do they have?

Yes they did, do your research faggot.

>Not an argument.
It's a perfectly good argument. You want this game, you have 2 installers to choose from and the effort to install them is nil.

>You're dumb if you think devs will actually think to give back to the consumer. They are going to take the money and run just as they accepted the chink bucks to be exclusive in the first place. Don't support shitty sellouts who just want a quick dollar.

If they make money on it they're likely to continue investing it it to make more money on it, which is good for people who bought the game in the first place.

>They are going to take the money and run
This is head-on-wall-baninging retarded. Run where? Continue your train of though to see it how it ends on a cliff

All the data is from your comrade at Epic, Chang.

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>What argument?

>Sales are so good, u guize
>What's the sale numbers, then?
>2X, 5X, 20X
>times what?
>LOL FUCK U WHITEY

Again, you no brain good Winnie-The-Pooh

> Good thing for consumers happens

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They quoted LL and not Redux which only sold 20K on steam before it was pulled and replaced with Redux.

BTFO 50K only sales

Someone has yet to explain to me what's so bad about exclusives and investing in them.

Because people are first and foremost emotional, not rational.
My team is losing and the other is winning. Other team bad.

>comes in with claims
>can't back them up
>get's shit on and looking like an idiot

>wh-w-why so mad?

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>Steam Spy
Yikes, that shit was never accurate and sure as fuck isn't accurate now.

As I said, citation needed.

thats a lot of words just to tell us that you love gabens cock in your mouth

>This game sold so well on Epic store!
>What? No, you can do math! I wont tell you how much Epic sold, and if you ask, youre a seething valve shill epic china number 1 lol
Go an hero epicshill

>why do you fags pirate games? It's not like developers actively try to screw you over all the time.
Corporate shills btfo

It's ok, user. Just install the chinaman botnet and give us all your juicy info.

I admit I am horribly confused by this strange chink obsession with a fat man. Are they truly so indoctrinated by Chairman Pooh they cannot see a business without a figurehead being responsible for every single tiny decision.

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Get Epic be Pathetic.

That data was before Valve changed the settings, its legit.

Can you name any AAA PC game that gives exact sales numbers

>ask for proof
>gets it
>t-t-this doesn't count because I say so

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>good thing
>having to use more and more launchers and services just to fucking play video games
it should all be on the same platform, pc gaming is a fucking joke

No really, why are you getting so mad about the Epic Store if it isn't a threat?

i don't know about razer but discord only secured a handful of literally who indies that some of which got a steam release afterwards anyway
while epic is doing that to more notable titles like outer worlds and exodus

Because ultimatly it's the consumer who should decide what is best for him, ergo put your games on all stores available.

>threads are filled with dozens of reasons why this is bullshit
>HURR DURR Y DIS BAD THO
Purposely ignorant fags are the absolute worst.

Or, you know, uplay.

>Goalpost shifting

I forgot that chinks get raised to not trust their co-workers.

Steam Spy isn't proof retard, everyone with half a brain knows that, and since it shut down it's numbers are absolutely fucked.

>Prove to me that my accusation is false
Did you fail Elementary school? That's not how an argument works.

Install Epic Game Store.

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>Always called people delusional retards for thinking EA and games like DOOM had shills come to this shithole
>Epic literally throwing millions even at shitty games just to go on their store
>Journalists obviously getting paid to shit on Steam despite the essential features missing from Epic Launcher
>This guy defending Epic to his dying breath.

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Wrong. You are in a transaction. Both parties want the best for themselves and all games being on steam is not good for the people selling the product.

Retards like you are the kind of people that made the console market unadulterated shit.

>tfw you dont need cuckplatform to play
pirate life is best life

>What argument?
>Lays out argument
>W-W-WHY U MAD THO?

inb4 pretendingtoberetarded.jpg

Chink shills begone.

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Thank the great leader that the data was before the API change then. Ask your comrade at Epic who run it, he'll explain it to you in detail.

Invest some Poohbucks into making the thing secure first. Then still fuck you.

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No, prove that your claim is accurate. That's exactly how an argument works. But we both know you can't, therefore your claim is worthless.

Now if you had some actual facts, facts like games selling extremely well without Steam, then maybe people would be getting ass blasted.

See how it works?

People fail to understand that the REAL Steam competition is, and always was, physical stores

The way the world works is that when a game hit the shelves, it will be at full price
But after a while they need make space for new games, so in order to not waste the units they got, they put the game on sale
When a physical game goes on sale, people will jump on it and get it. If the digital version still cost full price, people will ignore it
This is why they need to put them on sale too

After a while, people will start selling their physical copies because they don't care about the game anymore
At this point, nobody but the seller itself get the money. So in order to counter this, you have games get a price drop

Competition with another online store will NEVER add anything to the consumer

journalists are paided shills

Just buy it from uPlay, having two launchers for one game is retarded.

If it's not an industry standard to talk about sales numbers then why does it matter now? All that matters is if it was a successful product and the only evidence we have right now is that these titles are thriving without steam

You have no argument.

Games are selling well without Steam, arguably better.

Deal with it, seethe about it, cry about it. Those are your options.

enjoy your lost sales.

Bugman shill.

>This guy defending Epic to his dying breath.
Wrong. It's more along the lines of:

There are like 7 PC stores. Another one shows up. All of a sudden brainlets act as if it's the end of the world when rational people look at this like "I don't like but it's not a big deal and hardly a problem to have one more store"

Wrong, the data is completely fucked, go and look up any game.

:^)

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>arguably better.
There is no "arguably" when it comes to pure numbers. Where are they?

dont know about you buddy, but i get all my games through the same piece of software it being an opensource torrent client of my choice.
perhaps you are doing pc gaming wrong?

So how long are devs and publishers going to get away with using Steam to advertise their exclusive game on epic? Because its going to keep fucking happening.

>it's not about sales numbers
>but it is anyway

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>Games are selling well without Steam
Nice! can you link me some sales numbers so I can dab on these valve drones?

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>paided
Your Valve shill bot is broken again Gabe.

>Your honor I may be a murderer but that other person is a murderer too!
Do you have evidence of this claim?
>WHAT! YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT HE'S INNOCENT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Where is your evidence that Valve pays developers to release exclusively on their storefront?

gog, you drone

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can you fucks even read it says 6 tgimes higher numbers on uplay not epic. Ubisoft is playing epic by getting the chink money and getting more sales on uplay which will be a 100% cut for them. Ubi are the only ones benefitting from this not the chinks

They're not my sales since I'm not a publisher/developer.

However, if the sales would turn out to be better on Epic store, would you be in support of it?

>what would happen under logical market competition
multiple stores sell the same game. in order to entice customers to buy games on their platform, the store would either have to have more/better pre-order incentives, or just charge less than other stores

>what actually happens under clown planet market competition
stores simply strongarm the competition and force artificial exclusivity by buying out the developers. unlike consoles where the console manufacturers do this to foster a strong exclusive games pool for their console in order to sell more consoles/first party games, pc games stores do this to force you to download their botnet client in order to sell your personal data to the highest bidder.

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>reddit the post
go back

You can either accept the numbers in the press releases that games are selling better, or not.

I coudln't give less of a shit, but you have literally nothing to back up your claim either way, the Publishers however do and seeing as how they can get in massive legal shit for lying about sales figures, i'm going to wager you're full of shit and they're not.

>No new triple AAA games on GOG
Having two launchers (GOG and Steam) is enough for me.

We don't have exact numbers, we never really had them for PC games other than concurrent players. If they say it's doing great then what are you to say other than "nuh uh"?

>the data was before the API change

>It was a successful product and sold well on epic, because I said so!
>No proof for you dumb, fat american valve drones, now go install your botnet and give us your personal details!

Please sir, just some of these amazing sales numbers is all I ask. Just a few to feed my starving children.

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There is nothing wrong with this, it's simply the free market working as intended.

There is plenty of "arguably" when it comes to numbers if you don't know the numbers.

>BTFO
>y-y-you are reddit
SEETHING

Go suck more Gaben cock :^)

Yert the new stores tries to monopolize the m,arket and virtually everyone who does give a shit about it is against them,. Funny how reality works sometimes.

>put spyware on you computer gweilo, it good for you
>you give china arr your secrets
>china best, china strong

The ultimate pleb non-argument, you were bound to resort to it eventually.

>Did you think about my offer, gwailo?

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Great point. This really made me think and ended up changing my mind.

good thing for this faggot maybe

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>If they say it's doing great then what are you to say other than "nuh uh"?
If they tell me htat it sells x times better then the pürevious titles, I look it up and figure out how muany units that would be. And suprise, suprise, it sells worse then the bloody rerelease of the old one on steam.

But it's not, go and compare any data that was legitimately before the API change and what it is now, the numbers are completely fucked now.

lmao, based
can't even talk back at you, cause you're right
pirating is the only rational course of action
but what about online games?

fuck tencent
i just made 30 burner accounts that now all own anno
fellow wealthyfags follow suit

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>ITS GOOD FOR CONSUMERS GOY
>need to download 20 fucking game launchers, manage more downloads and updates and clutter my HDD with possible spyware
>all because im being told its good for the consumer when im still paying the same price for games
>in actuality its only good for the publishers who get more neo-shekels from ebin instead of steam
until a fucking worthwhile game is released on the chinkshit store im not falling for it or the obvious baiting being posted here by chink shills

>lit's not a big deal bro whenever bad shit happens it's not a big deal bro stop criticizing bad shit and just use epic store lmao

>subnautica gets downloaded over 4 million times
>immediately release the info it
>Metro Exodus sells x numbers
>better not say the specific number and just give them something to talk about
A child would be able to see trough this.

Easy, pirate the internet.

>Epic exclusivity
>Good thing for the consumers
Joke of the century.

>multiple stores sell the same game. in order to entice customers to buy games on their platform, the store would either have to have more/better pre-order incentives, or just charge less than other stores

you're ignoring the part where publishers want a bigger cut of the game they funded, hence they'll either make their own store or go to ones like Epic that take a smaller cut

Why are you overlooking the fact that you can just buy it on Uplay and will have to use Uplay no matter what you do?

The game was never exclusive to Steam, and it's not exclusive to Epic.

A fact that brainlets seem completely incapable of comprehending.

A publisher can only restrict themselves by putting a game on a single store instead of multiples
wider audience=better sales

>But it's not
Yes it is an no matter how much you seeth and lie it won't change it.

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The shilling is going way overboard. Poor Chinamen earning pennies to talk about how great their Chinese communist corporations are for fucking over international markets and individual consumers for the benefit of a few multinationals.
What a weird world.

if they don't like it they should sell it themselves then, either make their own launcher or don't. and make that all clear from the get-go. you know, the accepted norm?

>It's good for consumers when a company gets in a bribery war with a competitor.

Fuck off, this is the translation on console wars and console exclusives to PC. I don't support chink companies that bribe publishers and developers for exclusivity.

I don't want to have 30 shitty ad filled, spyware launchers from every company.

>Editing Pooh's head
What's the fucking point. Pooh himself makes CCP shit bricks

No really user, the Steam Spy stats have been fucked since the API change.

If you don't believe me, that's cool, but go back and find any threads or anything dealing with steam spy stats before the API change and compare numbers for any game.

Everybody and their mother knows that. But shitting on Epic for making such a retarded move and triggering chinkshills is just too much fun

>the Steam Spy stats have been fucked since the API change
It's almost as if you're unable to read a simple single sentence

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who here #teamEPIC for the win?

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Epic store will never monopolize the market since Bliizard, EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda already have their own stores. Epic store is, in some cases, and alternative to them.

You'd shill very hard too if your boss threatened to feed you to the escalator.

>n-no!!! Only s-steam spyware is allowed!!! WTF Chink Chink shill epic shills!

I felt this way when fat fuck Gabe made steam mandatory for half life 2. Before that pc was mostly physical. He’s getting a taste of his own medicine now and pc gaming has been cancer since the rise of steam

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Any tim steam gets fucked over is a good thing. The sales have gone to shit because they think they own the market. They don't. Fuck off and eat shit

Feel free to criticize it (like that guy who had a valid complain that he uses Linux) but let's not fool ourselves that this is the equivalent of the console wars on pc.

taimanin square massacre winnie the pooh great wall of china jiang shi free tibet

Except that it's what they're activley trying to do as the last couple months have clearly shown.

>A free game has lots of downloads compared to a new $50 title
Wow

But that's wrong, the data clearly isn't from before the API change because the data HAS changed.

You can screech about it all you want user, but Steam Spy data is useless at this point and no one with half a brain who used it regularly prior to the API change would accept it as any sort of even rough metric of sales data.

You clearly haven't done your homework so i'm not sure why you think you can convince me that it's valid data.

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is this admitting defeat while trying to save face at the same time?

holy shit user stop embarrassing yourself like you've been doing this whole thread and just stop posting

So if you guys were selling a game and you could make more money on Epic than you could on Steam which one would you sell your game on?

Lets just say your game sells 1mil copies at $60 each.

Your profit on steam would be

60*1,000,000 = 60,000,000 - 30% = 42,000,000

Your profit on Epic would be

60*1,000,000 = 60,000,000 - 18% = 49,200,000

That is an extra 7,200,000 by selling on Epic.

INB4 people unironically say Steam.

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No it's user, it's pointing out that you have nothing to back up your claims, but the publishers do and are legally obliged to not be full of shit.

So why should anyone believe a word YOU have to say when you don't have a single fact nor credibility of any kind.

>But that's wrong, the data clearly isn't from before the API change because the data HAS changed.
Except that it is. Go to your comrade Sergey and have him explain it to you, tough by now I'm pretty sure that you're simply unable to understand it.

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Not quite.
If a dev/publisher offers the same game on Epic Store and Steam, then most gamers will chose Steam.
However if the same dev/publisher offers the game on Epic store they will get a bigger cut (not to mention maybe some incentive money from Epic). In that case they can make more money with fewer sales.

Time to dust off the old pirate hat. Might need it if this shit keeps going the way it is.

That would predicate on the illusion that your sales aren't negatively affected by going to Epic, which it is.

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Funny, since if I accept that "numbers" Exodus sold around 50k at best. Not something anyone should go and brag around with.

I seriously hope none of you niggers are pre-ordering. Ubisoft are just as guilty and they need to learn their lesson, even though it's probably a futile effort.

>Except that it is.
No user, it's not.
Do your homework.

>Publishers can get in massive legal shit for lying about game sales
This is true
>This game sells really well
>This game sold x times more than others!
>How much it sold? Sales numbers? Nobody POSTS THAT NOBODY NOW GO INSTALL EPIC LAUNCHER STEAMSHILL!

it's mentally ill steam corporate shills and there's no arguing against them
Same thing happens with brands on /g/. There's something about software-based corporate loyalty that's far more successful than any other type of loyalty and is capable of generating infinite unpaid drones

Seeth harder Chang, because it is.

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S E E T H I N G

they do this so more people buy their games directly from uplay

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Why not? They seem happy with the numbers and they were above expectation apparently.

Who are you to say what numbers are worth bragging about? That's millions of dollars in sales.

holy shit this COPE is like 5 layers deep

>make claim
>can't back up claim
>continue to make claim
>well it's not really reasonable to make me back up my claim because it's all OBVIOUSLY true so back up YOUR claim! (which was just that you're a retard with no evidence)

your whole "argument" has shifted multiple times

I dont know why bad thing. Very good thing in onion.

this. people forgive valve for all the anti consumer bs they pulled but store exclusive contracts are somehow worse than aids. Yea Forums zoomers are too young to remember all of it and go full autismo to defend a fat jew and his shekels.

No need for the escalator when your chair can kill you.

Then they would release concrete numbers. You know, just like with any other actual successful title.

What are you even talking about user?

You don't even HAVE an argument, you have literally nothing but hurt feelings kek

Stay mad doggo

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Why would they? They're not obliged to, and they've already made you whiny little faggots mad as fuck.

Epic is partially owned by Tencent. Ubisoft is also partially owned by Tencent. And now you know why this shit happens. You're still gonna be forced to have uplay installed for this, so you might as well cut out the middleman anyway. It's why I haven't bought Ubishit games for years now.

Is there anything as beautiful yet horrifyingly ugly as an Anglo confused when his monopoly gets threatened? Every new launcher/store, the simpleminded angolem starts a smear campaign against it, all so he can protect his masters monopolies until the competition become irrelevant, no matter what it brings to the table the corporate monopoly refuses, such as drm free games. GoG, origin, ubi, and many others all went through this, but what the angolem did not expect was someone aiming at the devs rather than lining their own pocket first. And this scares the creature. This makes it fear, it's corporate master might earn slightly less!

Fuck off Journo. Go write about how hard Sekiro is.

>Lets just say your game sells 1mil copies at $60 each
Imagine honestly believing that a million people would be willing to install chink spyware just to spend $60 on a shitty game.
The only people who have this shit installed are fortnite retards

Barely anybody uses Discord for vidya, besides it's also owned by Tencent.

>Continues to dodge the question
Give sales numbers. If exodus sold as well as you claim, show them to us, then brag

No one does any of that shit in Anno. And the only real content ever released is the base game and an expansion or two.

>screencapping your own post
stop embarrassing yourself chang

Fuck Ubisoft
BlueBytes doesn't deserve this

t. buttmad

>Good thing for consumers happens
6/10 I laff'd

how were the billionaire ruling class so fucking successful at creating such a fine breed of golems? no other society has people like this who're willingly going against their own interests to keep their corporate overlords happy

>Why would they?
Nigga, I already explained it to you. Pretending to be an ignorant retard doesn't make you "win", it just makes you look even more stupid than before.

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You are wrongfully assuming a game will sell on Epic just as well as on Steam. You are also wrong assuming the lower cut is the main incentive to make the game Epic exclusive and not the fact Epic is flat-out bribing them. Also, nothing would stop them from releasing the game on every platform, maximizing profits and letting the users decide where to buy from.

Why would I have sales numbers?
All I have is the publisher press releases, and like I said, they're legally obliged to not be full of shit.

You on the other hand, are most definitely full of shit.

So who am I going to believe?

whatever you need to COPE, as long as you don't have to prove "amazing sales on epic", right?

c'mon man it's not hard just post some sales numbers. you wouldn't say that shit without proof, right? that would make you look pretty retarded, lol

Don't worry, i'll be posting it as much as I can. In fact I might just go start a new threadwith it right now.

I thought your epic little Aussie spells you love chanting and spamming every day were supposed to stop the chinks posting? What happened, was it just larp? The tienmen spell as useless as yourself? You spent months, spamming threads with it, all that time, wasted for no reason..

If they could every publisher and developer would make their own store and sell there. The problem is that comes with a lot of cost (development, maintenance, infrastructure) plus it might not have the same visibility as something like Steam would have. So they have a choice to make

1. Make your own platform - which incurs huge costs (and is probably only an option for big devs and publishers liek Blizzard, bethesda, EA etc) and you would might not reach a huge audience

2. Steam - you get fewer money for each sale but it has the biggest reach and you'll probably get the biggest visibility (I saw probably because as an indie dev you might get more of a chance to shine in a store that is not flooded by 5000 [mostly shitty] games coming out every week)

3. Epic store - you get a bigger cut plus "bribe" money; you'll have better viability but a smaller userbase

Each dev/publisher has these options or a mix between them. I don't see the problem with that.

I hope you enjoy the ricebowl you earned today Chang.

>Ubisoft is also partially owned by Tencent
That explaines it.

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>PC games now have their own "console wars" brought on by digital storefronts
Ah ahaha you can't make this shit up. Pc is cancer.

Tencent LTIERALLY can't do shit, why Yea Forums is so retarded?

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Amazing how nobody could prove to anyone how steam is a monopoly.

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literally just make the price on steam higher so that you make the same profit on both. people might get mad about it, but they have choice.

so if you were selling a game, why would you fucking limit yourself? you can have more selling options AND make a statement about the cut the storefront is making.

Those publisher press releases that dance around the topic to say absolutely nothing. Big wow.

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yes, yes, put all your details into Epic's database and buy lots of games tied to their store

then when Tencent becomes majority shareholders we'll have all your information and you can't leave!

Keep ignoring the maths an the fact that there is a massive difference in profit margin.

You would have to be a complete retard not to drop steam and sell on epic. Using my example it is 7.2mil extra profit.

>it sold 2.5 times mroe then LL during it's first month
>LL sold 20k times during it's whole life
>Exodus sold less then 50k
>this is somehow good
Kickingf yourself in the nuts must be a national sport in bugland.

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Then don't get pissy when a nobody pirates a game
I'm sure your fat ass would really like to have your cake and eat it too

why would you believe things with no evidence, especially literal PR?
>well it HAS to be true because of my assumptions

no wonder you shill for free lol

>So who am I going to believe?
>user, eho can spew all the shit he wants?
>Or the publisher, who could get in serious trouble for saying shit like false game sales numbers, and have only said shit like 'oh it sold soooo much better here, but i cant tell you how much, because nobody does that!'

Should have kept all the shares to himself instead of letting the chinks buy almost half of them, now he has less control of his own company than Gaben does.

And the "good alternative" is what exactly?

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Again: when big publishers and developers have their own stores. Epic store will not be a monopoly as those store would still exist.

Even when it comes to smaller publishers who don't have their own stores, they would always have the option of moving back to Steam if they don't like the Epic store.

>make the price higher on steam
Yeah.... That wil work.

So your average $60 game would now cost $78

I can answer this.

As an indie developer, if you sell a game on Steam, after Valves cut, taxes, royalties and other fees, your cut of the profit can literally be as low as 30%.

>buying games
>on pc
Literally why? It’s one of the biggest perks of pc gaming next to mods

Why not use the Discord store that only takes 10% if you are going to get the same sales wherever you go?

>plenty of time to purchase it
No, plenty of time to PRE ORDER it.
Who in their right might PRE ORDERS games these years if it's not some limited collectible physical shit?

>You are wrongfully assuming a game will sell on Epic just as well as on Steam
Besides thanks to indie devs being unable to keep their mouth shit we know that they don't give a shit about the sales cut, they care only about the exclusive bucks and nothing else.

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The replies to this are telling

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I bet Aritfact wouldn't be such a massive flop if Valve took Tencent's advice

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Doesn't the Anno series always sell rather poorly due it's niche status? I can see why they'd use epic who has that guaranteed income concept.
Only way for Steam to counter that barring niche/indie games besides paying out of their own pocket like epic would be some sorta dynamic % of sales instead of a hard line taking 30% no matter how unknown and tiny the studio is.
Maybe a gradual increase of % over sales.
Like start at 5% then after x numbers sold go to 10%, then 15% etc per milestone. Or perhaps the other way around. From 30% to 25% etc. Might encourage devs to give their best knowing more sales = even better income over time

>then most gamers will chose Steam.
That's the point. Let the consumer decide. If they prefer steam over EGS or Uplay or whatever the fuck else so be it, that's competition.
As for the publisher cut, i couldn't care less they're only in for profit and only time will tell if they made a good decision by going the exclusive way, tho i think they're cutting the branch they are sitting on.

>It's like Ubisoft hates my money in particular.
Blame your government retard. Both are probably the same price when you take out taxes and fees.

>how to move the goalpost three times in one post

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>imagine defending steam this hard and being this mad that there is another game store
What is wrong with you fucking nibbas?

>Keep ignoring the maths
>ignores post entirely to shill for Epic
A game sells significantly less on Epic than on Steam. That is an actual fact for you. They wouldn't need to moneyhat for exclusives otherwise.

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so? if idiots want to pay the steam tax why do you want to stop them? the game maker gets the same amount in the end, so they dont have to worry either.
also, regardless of the store, 60 is a shit price. Shop around; physical stores/amazon will always have a deal around 40.

They edited Tim in as the owner with a source of "dude trust me" from a gossip rag and no one else can edit it back

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Buying from epic is a direct attack on our Jewish masters, an insult to our hero Trump and his masters, a full fledged betrayal of all things America stands for. Buy American. Israel needs more money for their defenses.

the problem is that none of those but epic involve poaching games with bribes and turning PC into a console environment with chink strong-arm tactics.

everyone is fine with the other stores, at most they complain about their software. selling your own game on your own platform has always been acceptable, as well as participating in a market with freely available keys, selling on different stores etc.

Try selling your game on Epic and see what happens? you will not able to make any profits from there due to a smaller userbase. - Your game will not attract fortnite players cuz of the different taste.

To expand. Same as they are doing in less virtual spaces.

Serious question, what do you gain from defending Valve?
They were nothing but cancerous pricks for more than an entire decade, we only got good things like refunds thanks to governments.
Maybe with an anctual competitor they will be less cancerous

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That would be pointless, if at a certain point you still make more on Epic. They way the can compete is accept they need to cut margins, or start offering things to publishers for the money. That being said, niche tittles like Anno, have the advantage of being largely seperate in userbase that probably isnt that bothered.

I hope this makes Valve wake the fuck up.

why does anyone care? looks like reviews of the series are "mixed" at best.

because it isn't and never has been. it has market dominance which is natural considering where it started.

>Maybe with an anctual competitor they will be less cancerous
So not Epic. Guess we still ahve to wait for the saviour.

Where was the outrage back when physicals were sometimes store exclusives, right down to extra content if you bought from gamestop or something.
Oh right dear leader hadn't told his golems that China bad yet.

Steam has competitors.
We are talking about Epic though.

>I hope this makes Steam an EVEN BETTER service.
???

And do what exactly? Buy out exclusives themselves?

Dunno, maybe they will make some games instead of shit like Steam machines and Artifact.

There was outrage, and now it is almost never seen anymore.
It wasn't even that long ago that a kid would not have been there to know that.

Fun fact: Less than 1 in 10 indie developers even make a profit. The market is absolutely saturated and Steam has effectively no quality control.

But, whether you like Valve or prefer Epic, fact of the matter is Valve will have to respond soon. If they don't and insist on their 30% cut, Epic will just keep sniping games from Steam.

>big publishers have more options than small publishers who have more options than indie devs
Is that really news to you?

>That's the point. Let the consumer decide.
How does that make sense? It's a transaction. Why should a decision be made that is unilaterally in the interest of the buyer? The seller is out for their best interest as well.

You mean that thing people shat on for being shitty?

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Serious question, what do you gain from defending Epic?
They were nothing but cancerous pricks for more than two or so years, we only got good things like a store thanks to Jewish/Chink tricks.
Maybe with an actual competitor they will be less cancerous

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Steam has had competitors alrdy but the thing is STEAM OFFERS MUCH MORE FEATURES THAN ANY OF THEIR COMPETITORS. What the fuck does Epik's platform provide to YOU as a CUSTOMER? The "hurr publishers get more money its good!" is all I can hear...

>making games has something to do with managing a storefront

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Because at the moment Valve is the LEAST cancerous of them all. Except GoG but they are barely staying afloat.

How is having more spyware, and malware with background processing bloat good? Are you just another EPIC shill, or just a plan retard? How many fucking game launchers do we fucking need? Just like how many streaming services do I fucking need to watch everything I want?

Fuck off you capitalist cunt.

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>Why should a decision be made that is unilaterally in the interest of the buyer?

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I think you're right about the actual fan base. Feels like it's mostly boomer euros who don't care about Yea Forums drama regarding stores and is just happy a new anno is coming. Those people probably already preordered on steam anyway and will get it on steam.

> Except GoG but they are barely staying afloat.
Precisely. Which is why EGS' approach is necessary. Nobody cares what platform is the best. They need to be forced away from steam, not seduced from it.

Couldn't care less about publishers fucking developers over, i've had to pass on most Anno purchases because of them screwing Blue Byte for fucking years

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Meanwhile Facebook and Cambridge Analytica

Serious question, what do you gain from defending Epic?
They bring nothing actually new to the table, and their entire method is built on moneyhatted exclusives rather than providing a superior service to Steam.
If Steam needs an actual competitor, it should be someone who's actually competitive rather than cancerous.

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>Steam has competitors
GOG that barely survives?
Humble Store that sells steam keys?
Origin, Bnet and Uplay that people open once a year for 1-2 games?
Bethesda taht jsut admitted defeat?
I'm not defending Epic, they are in no way better than steam. Both are anti-consumer cancer. BOTH.

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>implying Epic is not riding on Fortnite's success alone
It has everything to do with video games.

>they've already made you whiny little faggots mad as fuck

except that's what a faggot on a Mongolian shrimp-farming forum would care about, not a fucking developer. I don't care if you're just pretending to be retarded, they'd have no problem showing numbers if it really did that well.

>competitors
Activision has its own launcher. Ubisoft has. EA has. All big boy companies.

Time, tell your boss this marketing has convinced me to no longer use Epic or any other Tencent services.

Business is all about the customer: what the customer wants and what they get. Generally, every customer wants a product or service that solves their problem, worth their money, and is delivered with amazing customer service.

No, not really. Maybe to get a store off ground. But in the end nobody would give a shit about a dev making games since it has no bearing on how the store itself is being handled.

>You will now have to preorder a game literally in a year advance just to secure your purchase.

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>arguments
>none

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>forced away from Steam
By making people boycott or give justification for piracy? Brilliant.

It's just that Steam is less so. But you decided to attack the lesser evil of the two for some reason. I want to know why.

Good for the publishers user, we pay the same. You are incredibly stupid, but then what to expect from that reddit spacing alone.

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You fags continue to misrepresent the issue. Devs don't go to Epic because of the lower cut and you know it.

I'm sorry but there is no way in hell this is strong arming. Epic store offers a bigger cut and that "come on over" money. The developers/publishers have a clear choice to make and no one is forcing them.

The same developers/publishers will have the same choice to make 1-2 years from now, when they'll want to release a new game, when the Epic store might be amore mature but those "come on over money" would run out.

As far as I'm concerned I hope this forces Steam to start asking for a smaller cut (even if bigger than Epic store) which would light up the competition and the publishers/developers would end up being the winners (and us the gamers as a consequence).

>Except GoG but they are barely staying afloat
>have on bad year thanks to thronebreakers eating money and not generating any
>means they're on deaths door

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Great, then give us the numbers.

Posting this here cause some stupid janny deleted the thread I was gonna post it in right before I could do it

McArthur should have nuked their ass and invaded them during the Korean War after they crossed the Yalu river and started killing US troops (who were literally fighting under United Nations authority). Then we could have brought back real China from Taiwan to the mainland after it was cleared of all the gutless commies; it was a damn shame how Truman just let what were our WW2 allies get stomped on by the red gook all because “waaah, waah, muh maybe ww3 will happen cause Stalin totally cares about what happens in China, which was considered bumfuck unindustrialized nowhere in the 40’s!!!!”

>Steam is less so
Hell no, both are terrible. Let them fight

>Fun fact: Less than 1 in 10 indie developers even make a profit. The market is absolutely saturated and Steam has effectively no quality control.
Pretty sad. Maybe make a better game next time or change your career.

>But, whether you like Valve or prefer Epic, fact of the matter is Valve will have to respond soon. If they don't and insist on their 30% cut, Epic will just keep sniping games from Steam.
We will see. Why not just selling your game on the both platform? It is win-win for everyone. Of course, you will see more sales on Steam naturally.

>we pay the same
I pay even more. Thanks Tim!

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>By making people boycott
This always works so well.
>or give justification for piracy
You don't need to give one, they always find one. People pirating Exodus because its EGS exclusive for example, were all originally gonna pirate it cause Denuvo. I am sure if it was DRM free they would just say "sweet easier to pirate"

They go because of the money. For larger developers like Ubisoft this is literally the cut (18% of hundreds of millions is a lot of money).
For smaller developers it's a mixture of the cut, Epic paying them and Epic guaranteeing them a minimum number of sales (or Epic makes up the difference).

If Valve don't compete with this, they'll eventually lose. That is all there is to it.

then you must have no problem with all the shit epic has done that steam doesn't?
and if that's the case I guess there is nothing to be said other than people like that ruin things by thinking everything is equally bad and they should never care about anything and just bend over and pay up.

Why do you think that epic games pays something to ubisoft for (not actual) exclusivity?

Because Epic are buying exclusivity. If your game is on the Epic store, it cannot be on Steam. That is part of the deal and why Epic are paying millions to developers who get their game added to Epics store.

Chong always win

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It IS an (effective) controlling share if no one else has more shares unified to put against it. It's hilarious to watch all those people here who seriously claim that "you need to have at least 51% of all the shares or you don't have any control over the company". I guess in their mind, if there's, for example, 3 main shareholders and they have 30%, 30% and 40% each, then not only no one has a controlling share, but the guy who has 40% has just as little to say as each of the two others, right?

For many companies, you don't need anywhere close to 51% to control it, at least initially, because a lot of the shares are spread between tens or hundreds (even thousands) of people who each have some tiny amount of shares, which combined might be theoretically enough to stand against you, but realistically they will never unify, and below some % don't get a seat in the board anyway. What usually happens is that someone goes around and buys up those tiny scraps of shares to eventually make it into an amount that actually matters.

tl;dr does Epic have any singular shareholder that has more than 40%? No? Then they DO have an (effective) control of the company unless the majority of the other shareholders decides to stand against them.

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We're not defending Valve. Saying Epic is shit (which it is) is not defending Valve.

You sure are desperate for those social credit score, Pooh.

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There was a lot of it. Were you not around for it or something?

So what's the alternative?
98% of indie devs not being allowed onto the curated storefronts, and the remaining 2 live off of the storefront bribes?

People should stop crying when they throw out uninspired trash into a saturated market.

>tfw Epic makes me go on a pirating streak
Thanks chinks

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Valve doesnt need to do anything. Just wait for Epic to pay everybody out, then go broke while these same bootlickers come to Gaben to beg for his mercy

>were all originally gonna pirate it cause Denuvo
>when people buy denuvo games out the ass on steam and are mostly fine with it
>when people buy games on gog even though it's identical to piracy

stop using piracy excuses to fuel your hateboner for steam. people, and yes many people who pirate, make judgement calls on what they buy and what they pirate. and how companies act is a huge part of those judgement calls. people who buy literally everything or pirate literally everything are the minority.

If your consumer doesn’t understand your product, then it’s not a good product. If your consumer doesn’t want to use your product and would rather risk Fines, rather than use your product, then it’s not a good product. If you have to explain why your product is better while berating your consumers, then it’s not a good product.

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So unless Steam does a ton of shit things which will make people hate their platform, they'll go out of business and leave Epic as a monopoly?

>All these rage posts and threads by faggots who come from tumbler

Which stage have we reached already, steambros?

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Yes, the consumer is the one driving the business, but the seller will always do the best they can to get as much money as they can out of the consumer.

As a consumer, I only really care about the game. The store and everything that comes with it are secondary (assuming it reaches a minimum level of viability).

For you, as a consumer, the service itself might have more of a value.

In the long run we'll see on which one of those sides the sales will fall.

And you have to understand that why it is getting more hate. It is obvious. It is very inconvenient to most steam users to get another launcher for a single game. They would make that game forgettable or to be pirated. You can't control the consumers.

It feels even better when Epic is now denying literal who indie shits that were extremely vocal against Valve from being on their store. In 12 months time all those dev faggets that talked shit about Valve will have to cater to steam users.

To be honest, I'd rather it be harder for indie developers to get on Steam.

It'll remove a ton of shit from Steam but it'll also force indie developers to make better games if they want to sell them.
The way Valve has it set up right now means you just don't need to make a good game to get on Steam. So lots of people are exploiting this by making shitty, low effort games in a week. Even if it only sells 10-20 copies, they've made a profit.

The same as I had before Tim Pong Swong tried to get me to use his shit. Using every store but his.

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> It is very inconvenient to most steam users to get another launcher for a single game.
What about all those games on Blizz store, Origin or uplay? Were those inconvenient to install?

>epic has done that steam doesn't?
Hello zoomer, heres a history lesson for you.
When Valve started pushing steam in a big way, they started selling discs with the requirement of activation of the CD key via steam. Basically, steam was a DRM. It is still is. It required an internet activation, which was outrageous for that time.What also pissed off PC gamers is that you couldn't just install the game, you had to install that god forsaken Steam launcher and launch it via steam. The launcher which at the time had even less functionality than Epic on it's launch.
Before steam, you would just install the game and launch it. Now you had to jump through hoops, make an account, activate the key, connect. No one was happy about this.

are you saying you think people put up with this shit on consoles so PC should be fine with it? fuck that.

>just participate in the downward spiral of the market instigated by chinks and fortnite zoomers

why do people think like this?

>all these bot posts that never reply unless the post responding to them hits the right key words

Honestly kind of scary how much money they are throwing around and burning at this point.

Epic will run out of steam

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I never said Valve have to resort to the same tactics as Epic. I said Valve needs to respond to it.

The way it is right now, if Valve keep doing nothing they're going to keep losing games which means Epic is going to get more games and more customers.

If Valve don't do something they're fucked.

>oh no there are more listings in the directory and stuff on the front page how will I ever function?

valve letting everyone in was one of the best things they've ever done.

Good. Let there be a competition. Valve should consider reducing their cut to 15-20%.

So far the only group not using Epic for their free sign on bonus with dud games is using it to drive people directly to their own platform with how shitty it is.
I don't really see Steam being too worried yet, but I get why consumers are mad.

They are gonna tell you buying the developer studio or publishing the game is different. As if Installing Origin for an EA game is physically different than if it was for a Squenix game or something.

No, you idiot. It's about the gift money entirely. The sales on Epic seem too low to justify exclusives otherwise.

Steam will win this by not lifting a finger. They're the good guys in this scenario while Epic uses shady tactics to get ahead. Every dev who accepts this kind of deal received massive shit and future projects will most likely be tainted by this unless they're getting Epic money again. Microsoft is in bed with Steam thanks to Gaben's connections and Bethesda recently came crawling back. Steam has got this in the bag.

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Lots of people care that they're being spied on but the problem is unlike Epic's launcher - it's actually a fairly good communication platform, for being free.

steam never invented DRM or launchers, and didn't bribe for cancerous exclusivity deals. are you seriously seething after all these years over having to just through a couple of hoops at the time to install valve's own games? if anything steam normalizing everything eliminated other terrible DRM at the time that was literally broken, outright malware, install limitations, etc. how is any of that comparable to making PC a console ecosystem?

>when people buy denuvo games out the ass on steam and are mostly fine with it
>when people buy games on gog even though it's identical to piracy
Yes, absolutely, and those buyfags are mostly gonna use EGS anyway. It's almost as if the people who scream these thigns are a vocal minority, and largely disengenous. You would think Denuvo games sold terribly to if Yea Forums was your only source.
>stop using piracy excuses to fuel your hateboner for steam. people, and yes many people who pirate, make judgement calls on what they buy and what they pirate
Nope, it is simply impossible to compete with free. The justification comes after that.
>people who buy literally everything or pirate literally everything are the minority.
Sure, I do both. But I also know when I pirate it is always cause I am a cheap bastard.

metro exodus sold 2.5x more on egs than metro: last list on steam
eat shit

>Origin
According to EA, it is struggling to make money with Origin after they kept giving away games for several years. They added the subscription service - a sign that they no longer make money of selling the games in there.
>Blizz/Bnet
It was alright in back, but right now, it is a money-loser, thanks to the continued decline of overwatch
>uplay
They keep acting like cleaner fish to Steam to stay alive forever.

Don't forget that Bethesda fiasco - They retreated back to Steam.

In addition, most users always open the steam everyday while they open origin or other launchers few times a month.

This. EA will come crawling back to Valve and beg forgiveness anyyyy minute now. 2013 at the latest.

REEEE THE FREE MARKET BAD

UNBERIEBABURU

Which is how much in actual numbers?

So 50k?

Mirror's Edge Catalyst has been spotted when Valve showed Steam's UI.

>Steam will win this by not lifting a finger.
Epic has lots of money now which they'll use to force publishers/developers join their platform.
This in turn will attract gamers.
Epic will gain a huge audience, even if not as big as Steam's.
Even without any bribe money, if the Epic store will get big enough publishers will chose it for the 12 vs 30 percent cut.

I am a firm believer in that Ubisoft was playing the long game with inevitable Uplay exclusivity, and that EGS was just the perfect jumping off point/insurance policy.

About tree fiddy.

These are good though, unlike chinks these are assisting society in uprooting corruption and muslim terrorists. The security of the state is more important than some commies freedom and privacy

>guaranteed sales

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>Epic will gain a huge audience
Lol

>game is still going to be for sale on Uplay
>Steam Uplay games are literally just a shortcut to uplay
Why does anyone care? you were already buying it from Uplay.

>It was alright in back, but right now, it is a money-loser, thanks to the continued decline of overwatch

You have zero proof of this. Regardless how one game of theirs does you have made no argument of how their own store is not a good business decision