>Steam
>private company
>can do whatever they want
>they make a butt load of money so that must mean they are an evil corporation
>Epic
>publically owned by Tencent for 40%
>has to abide by stockholder requests
>buys up game exclusives and developers with infinite Chinese and fortnite money
>known as the heroes of gaming for only taking 18% of sales
Why are people so gullible?
>its private company so it must be good!!
>the company that tried to make paid mods a thing and fought law battles to prevent users from having the option to refund are my friend!!!
cope
>buying games
And when the consumers won't buy anything Epic will cry that it was piracy and man-babies who crushed their dreams. How the hell does one man has his head up so far in his ass that he doesn't understand anything?! Is it because he still think it's the same way when Epic left pc gaming?
yeah doesnt he realize we love monopolies
Because people clamored for something, ANYTHING, to compete with Steam. Now that they've gotten their wish, they realize it was a terrible idea. And in the end, the only people actively supporting this are a handful of publishers salivating at a bigger cut per sale (nevermind the lowered sales numbers).
Paid mods was Todd Howard whispering into Gaben's ear. Steam's hosted plenty of free mods for over a decade, and the paid ones only appeared after Bethesda/Zenimax tried to strike a deal. As for refunds, those killed off flash sales, plus the window is tiny, so at most it's a pyrrhic victory.
>arguing over which dick fucks you
>buying games
>buying
>games
>Paid mods
>Implying that wasn't Bethesda's scheme from the very beginning
Valve at least had the decency to back down when people told them it was retarded
He's right. Gamers will complain but at the end of the day, they'll buy it. Marketing is king.
No company is your fucking friend, you gullible fucking idiot
He still agreed to it.
You fags wouldn't be able pirate games if people didn't buy games
>this guy actually BUYS games
I'm jealous. How do I become an epic boss bros?
>devs are paid money to limit their game's sale on a service that lacks most of Steam's features, like mod workshop
>consumers pirate the games instead
Yeah, you sure showed those consumers.
>Epic
>known as the heroes of gaming
>wanting DRM of any kind
I remember when you used to own your games, instead of them being """"""""rented"""""""" to you. Even though steam has never taken them away, I still don't trust that clause in their EULA that says they can. And you know Epic is gonna abuse that as much as possible, knowing how much the chinese love taking things from people.
Epic pays them extra if they fall below a certain sales level. SO Epic's basically paying for your pirated copy.
I don't know who the hell thought that was a good idea since it just incentivizes piracy even more.
He is literally saying that consumers are worth shit and yet dares act like the good guy, holy shit.
If Epic wins, I'll go back to pirating. I'd rather not be part of the Chinese botnet.
if epic wins it would be epic, if steam wins it would be...steamy?
I fucking hope Epic Games goes bankrupt and that NIGGER dies of aggressive brain cancer. If that fucking shit store didn't have any costumers epic would be dead in the water, just like it fucking deserves to be. What a bunch of talentless hack frauds.
>developers will decide how you spend your money, not you
>also we're strong-arming developers with our dwindling supply of fortnite money
Never have I seen an industry treat its customers with more open disdain than video games. It's insanity.
>waist high wall
Realistic.
Valve started this by consolizing PC with Steam and took away choice by getting rid of physical copies.
EULA mean nothing, fact is even without a EULA they can legally revoke your download license. It is a completely different business model, you only get the ability to download from their server instead of getting a physical copy with the entire game on it that can't be revoked. If you lose the ability to download from their server then you lose what you paid for.
An actual physical copy isn't a license, to revoke it they would have to have the government raid your house to revoke it which they can't do so it isn't just a license despite what the coping digital drones say.
You could accept a EULA saying you are now my slave, it obviously wouldn't be legally applicable so you wouldn't be my slave despite accepting the EULA
You're the only person saying this Chang
Why would I want either of them to win? I want them to compete, maybe it will motivate steam to stop having garbage sales.
I feel the same about Steam and all other digital distribution companies.
I started pirating because of Steam. I didn't want any of these shitty console wannabe platforms but that is the only legal way to play new games on PC because you boot lickers refused to boycott Valve into bankruptcy after they launched Steam.
What about what Epic is doing is going to make Steam improve? Epic's business model is throwing millions at publishers to get an exclusive stranglehold on games so they literally don't have any competition. The only real response for Steam to improve on is doping the same thing, which they never have shown any sign of doing.
Epic's business plan is hilariously short sighted and seems to entirely hinge on Steam going out of business within the next year is so, which is incredibly unlikely.
Hey kid: try reading the license agreements of your old games sometime.
Let me know where it says you own your game. Hint: IT DOESN'T. YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY FUCKING RENTING EVEN OLD GAMES. You fucking dipshit Dumbest Generationals.
that's what he's arguing, illiterate retard. he's literally arguing against OP sucking gabe's dick.
Journo fags and shit devs wanna push Epic for two reasons
>A. They got their feelings hurt by Steam users giving shitty games and shitty devs low scores
>B. Epic hands out shitloads of money for exclusivity deals
BUT MY PAY 2 WIN WAYS
OH NO NO NO
bann bugmen from this planet with a nuke
or two
Epic can suck my tiny cock. those cock suckers will never see a fucking penny from me especially after they got their shit hacked and didn't even bother to warn their customers
Valve still does paid mods for Counter-Strike and DotA2, but most people don't complain about either since it adds some moderation to multiplayer modmaking. I should know, I got a decent cut of $6k last year for making a few sets in blender and selling them.
It doesnt really matter what the law says when it comes to game ownership. All that matters is how they're able to enforce it. With digital games without DRM, they can't take it away from you, and you can always make backup copies as you wish. Not even physical games allow that, since they're designed to be uncopy-able. With DRM, now you're limited in how you can manage your game, and you're at the whim of an asshole company who can destroy your copy remotely if they want.
>developers will decide who wins the game store wars, not the consumers
That's not how it works.
>we gamers need to suck the cock of the based corporation to defend them from the evil corporation!!!
Gave did nothing wrong
>Implying he isn't giving them a grim reminder
Its really baffling that anyone even defends the epic store. The infrastructure they have is not near as robust as steam's. You get almost no features, few sales, no humble bundle, no trading cards, workshop, communities, etc. And then they come out and say shit like this. Literally the only reason I can fathom someone defending this tripe is that they're chink bootlickers.
obviously he must since he's trying his damnedest to create one.
I know PC gamers have been getting fucked in the ass by DRM for decades, but it's honestly crazy enough how people were so up for Valve taking physical copies out of the equation permanetly but now they actually defend Valve against someone doing the same things?
>player merely has the illusion of choice in game
Are they trying to take EAs spot as the most hated company on the planet because this is how you do it
Epic is not publicly traded you fucking retard
also this:
piracy will win, fuck these launcher wars. Streaming will have the same outcome, i already reinstalled kodi.
He's not wrong, actually. Consumers are fucking retards that buy anything marketed to them.
They bought Fallout 4, Apex Legends, Breath of the Wild, and Bioshock Infinite.
You can't really call it a war though. It's more of a retard wrangling rodeo.
only fortnite kiddies and console fags defend epic
As someone with no steam friends, exactly what features would I be missing from using epic? I just play my game.
>They bought [...] Apex Legends
It's free, you dip
>Breath of the Wild
It's been years, user. Get over your seething rage.
it's because people now see the benefits of digital and realized that it was really pretty inevitable. now that so many games come out with massive day one updates you might as well just download the entire fucking game in the first place
All of them
Found the consumer.
Sharing in based Gaben memes.
you were always going to pirate it
>Deep Silver makes DRM free hd remaster of old game
>gives you 50% off already cheap remaster if you own the game
>WTF FUCK YOU DEEP SILVER I WANT THE REMASTER FOR FREE GONNA PIRATE IT, FUCKING JEWS SKYRIM REMASTERED WAS FREE!
>Use Denuvo anti-tamperware on your new game to try and prevent this happening again
>WTF DENUVO=\= NO BUY CANT WAIT TO PIRATE YOUR NEW GAME LOSERS SHOULDA LISTEND TO US WE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT OTHERWISE
>get offered garunteed money to put it on another store with better margins
>WTF NO STEAM NO BUY, I WAS TOTALLY GONNA BUY IT OTHERWISE I WAS KIDDING ABOUT DENUVO
>game still sells bretty gud
do you ever wonder why nobody listens to you retards? like I was always going to pirate it as well. But I dont start moralfagging around and pretend like publishers are dumb enough to listen to me.
Are they invite only?
If a game is Epic only I will just pirate it, I refuse to support Tencent, it's that simple.
I mean, if he wants to think that games pay for themselves, he's entitled to his opinion. Just as we're entitled to ignore him.
Seriously, though, does he think his way of splitting profit is going to counterract the lower overall sales due to the lower install base? Because I've got some serious doubts.
mods, forums, reviews, refunds, community guides, hell the entire community hub is packed full of shit. last i heard Epic still doesn't even have a fucking search function
>literally cannot play games and be on Yea Forums anymore
More like because physical on PC has alway been a joke with various forms of DRM like one use codes, hidden passwords in manuals,account tying and selling discs that just launch a Steam download.
the EGS shitpost cycle alarmed be by showing me how many people blindly love steam. Not support it over EGS or simply hate EGS. But simply love steam, even over GoG and other DRM free options. even over free as in beer games.
How about the mod workshop you literal faggot? One of the biggest features and even more so for games like these
there is nothing wrong with tencent incels
Valve never paid anyone to exclusive use their service and abandon physical copies
This guy seriously looks like an asshole version of John Carmack to me for some reason
Because that's what he is
I mean, he's definitely right. But it may be a pyrrhic victory. I used to buy all my games on Steam. Then Epic started getting exclusives and that made me want to pirate out of spite. Then I stopped and wondered why don't I just pirate everything? I used to do it before the convenience and consolidation of Steam, and stealing everything just means I save a ton of money.
Thanks Tim for getting the ball rolling and opening my eyes.
>I used to buy all my games on steam
found the problem.
Can we just take a second to appreciate just how retarded Sweeney is? Business partners don't mean shit if their stuff doesn't fucking sell on the store. No customers = No money. Less customers = Less potential money.
>I mean, he's definitely right
How is he right? Consumers are the ones who actually provide the revenue, not devs
It's hard to be angry; people willingly wasting their own time and money on bad games are punishing themselves.
Even if I stabbed 10 people a day, it'd barely be a drop in the ocean compared to the literal fucking millions of man-hours spent every day on low tier vidya.
What would you rather suffer: Being stabbed, or playing AAAshit for 10 fucking years? I'd take the stab!
There's nothing to be angry at; they're already doing the revenge on my behalf! There's nothing I can do that they aren't already doing to themselves.
I guess I could be disappointed, but why? They aren't me. They aren't my friends or family. They're just background random no-names.
I wouldn't be disappointed that a cockroach couldn't beat Spacechem. Why would I be disappointed when a consumer can't?
About the only thing that'd make me angry is if people confused me as being a consumer.
I use Nexusmods because I dont have stockholme syndrome.
I've been pirating far more lately, but I still buy from steam. I'm back to my college self where I buy games I want to support and pirate shit I want but don't think is worth the price.
I mean not them directly. GMG or whatever. Never pay full price. But why even bother? Just take em. Paying attention to multiple launchers and libraries is a waste of time, so if my time is gonna be wasted at least my money won't.
yep all that shit too. it was also a real pain in the ass if you game didn't come with the activation code. i got fucked on Halo 2 because of that.
>install Vista just to play Halo 2
>drive an hour to closest Gamestop to buy Halo 2
>get home and install
>asks for activation code
>wtf where's the code?
>jesus christ i really didn't get a code?
>drive all the way back to gamestop
>no refunds on open games
>call Microsoft
>they ask for serial number on disc then tell me to return game
>call gamestop again
>no returns on open games no matter what
ended up having to go download a crack for a game i fucking bought legally. of course that also meant i couldn't play online
>epic
>spyware
>inflating prices according to region
>worst service, worst community tools, worst consumer support, worst library
>spyware
>only cares about supporting AAA devs living little to no room to indie studios
>spyware
>owned by the chinese and stockholders who will make the decisions for Epic
>spyware
>Epic became relevant again thanks to microtransaction, anti consumer, powered Fortinite and thinking Epic won't pull more anti consumer tactics for their store is a very naive position to take
>Valve
>vast and high quality library
>the best community tools and consumer service available anywhere
>tries their best to keep prices fair no matter what region you are using steam on
>opened to any games, any ideas, any opportunities
>private so decisions come from the inside and are powered by the community, not investors who don't even know how the game industry work and just want to see the numbers rise
Steam is probably the only case of a service/company not being corrupted by money and monopoly.
Shit on Valve for not making HL3, but you can't shit on them for keeping Steam a fair and great service.
Most consumers don't pay attention. They see trailer for game, they buy game. Reviews and company drama don't even factor in.
That fugly chinksucker just ensured I will never use his service then. I didn't even have a need for it before but I've seen nothing but bullshit from Epic
because 99% of consumers are sheep that will follow the game no matter what store is selling it
That's still them making a decision
>Valve library
>vast
Okay...
>and high quality
I'll just go back to pirating if Epic wins.
Maybe that's what I want. A world free of games. This hobby has become too comfortable. It needs to be reset.
>not them directly
GoG doesnt use steam keys.
always buy a DRM free version if it exists. Pirate most games because save money. buyfag now and again to do your part/support projects
buyfag in this order
GoG>other DRM free options>steam>Origin>Uplay>EGS> W10 store. Online games and piracy never go well together, so there is that. I dont care if you buyfag or pirate. But if you are gonna buyfag at least use GoG where applicable.
Steam is literally the biggest library of PC games in one place, prove me wrong
What is high quality to you?
Its full of good games and full of bad games but to claim that it has none good it just ignorance
>Epic's store has no reviews
>gives consumers no way to contact or communicate with devs
>Epic is even paying them for copies of the game they don't sell
It's weird, it's like Epic is trying to completely cut consumers out of the market, and fails to understand where exactly all that money is actually coming from. It's why I think this whole situation is incredibly silly and shortsighted, Epic's business plan seems to hinge entirely on throwing millions of dollars at exclusives and hoping Steam goes out of business within the next year so they don't have competition.
and
>implying this shit isn't going to continue being an ongoing issue in the next elder scrolls
You do realise that you can own digital copies of things, yes?
People own cryptocurrency. They aren't renting it from DogeCo.
When you have such a vast, diversified library, it is hard to avoid shovelware and low quality trash.
It's the price to pay when you decide to have a more open store, more accessible to new, amateur devs
>where applicable
Most games are not on GOG. Aren't half their library old as fuck WRPG/point and click adventure games?
i will continue to use steam because it’s the sole PC platform i have been using for the last 10 years. all my games are on it and i just don’t care about muh store wars enough to download another launcher
Valve store is not only vast it is the most vast store.
My guess is they got a taste of that fortnite dollar, stockholders expect more fortnite dollars so now they're hyperinflating into the game store market.
No, they just reminded you that they ARE PC gaming, and you either go to them for free or you just don't get to be in the market period. That's why we laugh at steamcels and have to keep reminding them Steam was literally a monopoly until Epic came onto the scene.
>Deep Silver makes DRM free hd remaster of old game
Huh, what game? If it's a game I like and don't already own I'll give it a shot.
Just gonna leave this here
most gamers are more interested in enjoying videogames than launcherwars politics and Yea Forums shit. I think most gamers simply go "I'll buy it on steam, oh it is not on steam, I will buy it where it is sold" If has clearly shown with shit like Origin or battenet. People here always go "those are different because they are the publishers store" but I find it incredibly difficult to see the average consumer giving a shit.
Don’t forget about the fact that they’re literally insulting your intelligence for making a completely ok choice to stay with Steam and not go with Epic,
>Steam was literally a monopoly until Epic came onto the scene.
Then how were the Origin, UPlay, and GOG storefronts able to be established. If Valve were a monopoly they would have control of all selling on PC and this wouldn't be able to happen
Remember when everyone loved Origin because of their liberal refund policy, and hated steam because they didnt have one?
yeah me neither.
Staying with steam is not OK.
Staying with epic is not OK either.
Stop treating the lesser evil as though it's an acceptable tradeoff.
>I think most gamers simply go "I'll buy it on steam, oh it is not on steam, I will buy it where it is sold" If has clearly shown with shit like Origin or battenet. People here always go "those are different because they are the publishers store" but I find it incredibly difficult to see the average consumer giving a shit.
Interesting how that didn't work at all for Bethesda's store or Games for Windows Live
>Steam was literally a monopoly until Epic came onto the scene.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. There are dozens of ways to buy games digitally, with many of them offering DRM-free copies
metro lastlight, and metro 2033. Called Redux. 4a actual made it, just meant Deep Silver published, probably should have specified in my shitpost. but yeah both should be on GoG.
This has been explained several times in several threads, Im not doing this just to get "NOO, BUT EPIC, STEAAAAM" again.
well to be fair the windows store is fucking trash. actually a lot of people probably don't even know it exists
Not really interested in Metro. I do really like that their guns are well-modelled and their game mechanics fit the atmosphere, but their "game" is more of a story.
Corridor shooters don't really have a high skill ceiling ... or a very low skill floor.
GFWL wasnt a store... a lot of the GFWL games were on steam.
I literally had Dirt 3 and Dark Souls on steam.
Bethesda launcher didnt get to try, 76 was a flop for a lot more reasons then the store, and it had no other exclusives.
Is windows store the one that forbids you from going through the downloaded files from it? WHy in the name of fuck would anyone download anything from there?
Epic is only making a name with their Store because of the exclusive deals. Their store is trash and the so desired updates are the most pathetic shit ever
>wow they are going to add a shopping cart as a feature in the next 3 months or so
But eventually they have to stop paying for exclusives cause that isn't good for business and their chinese overlords will get tired of losing so much money.
Which is ironic. They say devs will make the final decision, not consumers. But what will happen when Valve can't buy exclusives no more and Steam maintains their superiority by providing the best service? Will people stick around with Epic after that?
I don't think Epic knows what they are talking about. I think Epic wants to believe consumer sentiment is irrelevant. I think they want to believe that and want us to believe that as well.
yep you can't even look at the files. want to edit a save to get around a bug? nope the entire fucking folder is protected. want to move it to another drive? nope gotta download the entire fucking game again
>the company that tried to make paid mods a thing and fought law battles to prevent users from having the option to refund are my friend!!!
they were sued. before the trial was over they added in a refund option. Are they just supposed to pay a massive fine and not show up to court? They have a duty as a company to defend themselves.
There is STILL no refund for sony or nintendo in america.
>paid mods
this old tired bullshit again. mods should be paid. everyone likes them, everyone wants them.
but apparently mod creators should do hundreds of hours of work for free.
are you by chance a freedom hating commie?
>PC games
More like shovelware
Steam says hi.
Lets all ignore CS:GO, Dota 2, Half Life, TF2, and half of all mid tier indie games.
>there are people defending Epic
Jesus Christ
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP REPEATING THE 40%
IT'S 48.4%
the idea is to buy exclusives to get the store off the ground. they figure once they get the ball rolling devs and publishers will see their store as viable and use it over steam. they are kinda right about that BUT they are going about it in the wrong way by pissing off consumers
there would LITERALLY be ZERO games to pirate on pc without steam.
you realize that right? or are you 12 and don't remember the 360-ps3 dark ages of gaming?
oh wait I bet you consider those the golden years or something lmao
At least valve learns from their mistakes and thus far they've stopped doing any retarded shit
>Epic runs out of money
>devs come crawling back to steam
>Valve refuses them
Actions need consequences.
>the idea is to buy exclusives to get the store off the ground.
Well how about they first get the feature set up to modern standards, and maybe they should use some of that Fortnite money to actually develop some new games themselves to convince people to use the store because clearly Fortnite kids don't become consumers of standard-priced games
D E S P I T E
Do you even know what monopoly means? Do you even know what "literally" means?
This idea is totally soluble and works........12 years ago when there weren't already 7-8 stores. Epic will continue to exist with a few titles but the exclusive stealing won't persist and they'll end up with an anemic store with a strange selection of games
The main thing I think Valve needs to do is stop letting people advertise on their site for free, then fucking off to Epic exclusive right before release so they get the advertisement.
it's literal shills.
and console friends happy to finally have something to hold over pc gaming elitsts heads.
because that shit takes time and they want it NOW. the whole point of buying exclusives is to build it fast
Well yeah, we will ignore games Valve developed themselves. Idiot.
I wish this wasn't an issue but Metro AND Outer Worlds both did this and I know obsidian deliberately fucking did this shit to drum up hype. Glad the game looks like dogshit
you're right but that goes against their policy of not trying to make shit exclusive. devs are free to list their games on Steam and any other store they wish. to prevent Epic poaching games they'd have to start going after exclusives themselves which is the reason we're all shitting on Epic now. Valve just needs to sit back and weather the storm
>the whole point of buying exclusives is to build it fast
And they're fucking up everything because of it
>and I know obsidian deliberately fucking did this shit to drum up hype.
Why in the fuck would you think Obsidian has any control over the platforms it releases its games on and not its publisher for the game, Private Division?
Why the fuck would anyone think they can refund their game after finishing it?
Nah, I don't think they need to make it exclusive or anything, just make publishers either understand or sign something saying "If you are advertising on Steam, you must release the game on Steam at the same time you release anywhere else" or something.
Just so we're not getting shit like Metro and Outer Worlds where they're using Steam for free advertisement and getting people over to buy it, then going "lol jk we're not releasing here" at the last second.
>I know obsidian deliberately fucking did this shit to drum up hype
Private Division did this, they put all their games on Epic, not just Outer Worlds. They get all money they spent on development back, plus guaranteed sales from Epic. They don't give a fuck about Obsidian or their games, since they don't own the IP anyway and Microsoft will publish all Obsidian games going further.
>beat game in under 2 hours
>refund it
thank you gaben
Man, the Sonic Forces release was funny as shit.
yeap, is the only store that sucks so bad I actually differentiate it from the others. That being said I still use it. Im just glad we get FH4 on PC. Beggars cant be choosers and M$ is getting good at pc versions of the games themselves.
>Outer worlds did this.
can someone confirm? I dont trust a retard who thinks Obsidian is the publisher.
I think they just realize, there is literaly nothing to be gained by not pissing off users. Sad but true. Not buying exclusives would hurt them, making the greatest store over would hardly make a dent in the pissed off zombies. and people will still use it if it is the only place selling games they want. So why bother?
I think you grossly overstimate steam customer loyalty.
Oh shit its real, and it recieved 0 advertisement on GoG. Thanks anons, now I know there is no point waiting a year to buy it from GoG. Now it is just EGS or W10 store. Probably the former.
They put their game on the Steam saying coming soon with the videos and all. IIRC it was on the front page of the store at one point
Your post is typical digital drone cope. As has already been said, with digital games if you lose the ability to download from their server then you lose what you paid for, it doesn't matter if you can back them up, you only paid for the ability to access their server.
I made backup copies of all my DRM free physical copies for PC and even some of the older ones with offline DRM, either way none of them require me to have an account or be authorized to access the data from the source, the disc/flash drive, unlike GoG which requires an account and server authorization to use your download license.
I have several disc drives, I had the physical copy in one drive or the flash drive in and a backup disc in another drive and was able to copy and paste from the physical copy straight to the backup. You can copy and paste it to your machine then to the backup if you don't have multiple drives.
All console games are designed that way, sure, but that isn't inherent, they had to intentionally make it that way. I was talking about PC though where DRM free physical copies can be released and are more DRM free than GoG while also actually giving you something in return for your money and doesn't financially reward the biggest cancer on gaming which is for profit digital distribution and all the negatives that come with it.
If consumers decide not to use the epic store then there's nothing developers can do....
People are too used to Steam by now. They are too hostile regarding competition and to be fair, why would they want to change? Only flaw Steam has is DRM. Besides that, from community tools, consumer support, games library, there isn't anything you can shit on them.
Epic is pissing off consumers cause they are forcing people to leave a better service by taking new games hostage. They want people to leave a better service in favor of Epic Store by waving the new, hot release, saying "you want this don't you? Then leave that comfy bed and come here to this uncomfortable and dirty mattress
this post hs so many blatantly false things I dont know where to begin
t. datahoarder who also follows console hacking.
First off Gabe can go fuck himself since he will never make Half Life 3 and since Steam gives him so much money he doesn't even make games anymore BUT they are still better than Epic. Steam is actually ok right now but it is Gabe who is a CUNT
Epic is worth like three times as much as valve, and Tencent is one of the world's largest companies and worth like 20 times as much as valve. They can absolutely just throw money around bribing everyone until valve goes out of business. Once that happens they basically own the market and can make their money back however they want.
Have you ever been on Yea Forums? Consumers fucking suck.
>hurrr just make everything free
>i don't like that character design, look at my shitty deviant art suggestions
>i'm losing in your game and it's your fault
>i know you've been making games for 10+ years and have a variety of skills in multiple areas but I'm 15 years old and have been playing minecraft half my life. let me tell you why your'e bad at making games
>dude if you don't let me rape and mutilate gay niggers you're literally censorship
>your game plays at 117 frames per second, not 120. do you realize that I have a 120Hz monitor? do you understand why frame rate is important?
>here is a drawing of your main character and monsters having graphic gay sex
>ugh why can't you had a gender slider with the full spectrum of 63 genders? let me tell you why that's problematic. first, let's talk about dialectic communism...
>i got fire 2 years ago and haven't had a job since, but let me tell you what business decisions you should make
>color of text in the menu doesn't sit well with me? day 1 pirate
>why don't you just kill yourself? you ruined my favorite franchise that I haven't played in 10 years and forgot about until you announced a sequel yesterday
Consumers are horrible and know nothing. That's why they're consumers, not producers.
people already use steam. but dont have abject loyalty. nobody is saying stop using it. People go where the games go, using Origin seemed to be acceptable to them, it doesn't demand they uninstall Steam to play Apex or something silly.
I can't imagine they'll keep that up once they noticed they're sinking tens of millions into a storefront that's generating basically no cash back. Sure there's something to be said about operating at a loss to get going to make that money back later, but there's limits to that kind of thing.
I think even if Epic does this they will still not beat Steam but maybe it will scare that fat fuck Gabe into actually making games again!!! I am glad Epic wants to give Valve a run for their money
A lot of these games are "bought" through garunteed sales. the deal is basicaly Epic says you will be garunteed to sell X amount of copies or they will pay the difference. People make it out like an offer you cant refuse insane upfront handout. But really it is just clearing up the uncertainty of going to a new/"""hated"" store. Devs main reason is the 88% and the handout is just to make up for the difference.
Not really. The Chinese don't give a fuck. They're goal is victory and control and money is simply a tool to get there. They want to own the west and will spend money to do it.
This is more likely to either just bury valve and give epic a sleazy monolopy, or force valve to play their game their way and get dirty too. Either way the real losers are the consumers.
No one is going to the Epic store for the dev cut. If that was all it was about, the itch.io and the Discord stores would have put Steam out of business years ago. It is absolutely the massive cash payout and the sales guarantee for the publishers, who then force the devs to out the game on Epic.
Actually competing with steam would be great.
Trouble is people had in mind a future with lots of different options all fighting with price drops on product and better service, trying to convince the customer to do business with them by being the legit better deal.
Noone thought it meant a lying chink handpuppet hamfisting his way in with console war bullshit and trying to force the customer to look his way with that shit rather than entice, but that's what we got.
ich.io is a shitpile of greenlight tier games, not a serious store. Discord has the same problem Epic would have if they didn't garuntee sales. Nobody wants to be the first one to jump over. And the first one to jump over gets nowhere near the benefit of the 100th one to jump over, hence Epic taking this strategy. Its not that Epic isnt appealing to them. It's that there are risks and worries that Epic is essentially offering them insurance against. Publishers are largely risk averse. You would have to be EAs size not to be, And EA already has their own store.
>actually competing with steam would be great
>we just dont want anything that would work
controlled opposition amiritegabe?
Which is really silly since good games tend to do really well on Steam. The bloatware and "waah my game's getting buried" complaints all the time, but even lowkey indie shit like Baba Is You can do really fucking well on Steam, even with little advertising, if it's good.
Idk man didnt some crackers have sekiro before you could actually purchase it in stores
>based tencent shill bringing the substanceless bants again
Glad to know you're still employed. Keep it up.
they do well on steam, not because of steam. The argument is more "what does steam do for me that justifies the margin" rather than simply "can I get by on steam"
>you want competition
>so let's take away competition with forced exclusives
>durr why arent you happy, we gave you the exact opposite of what you wanted?
Based chinese slave
>dude xbox vs playstation? thats not competition
>competition is like where everything is on steam but another store tha nobody useses exists
gabe could rape and kill your mother, delete your entire library, and Sweney could give you every game for free with perfect feature parity and you would still use Steam.
No, they do well because they're good games that happen to be on Steam, by choice. Steam also happens to have one of the largest digital store userbases. Epic likes to throw how many Fortnite players it has, but 90% of those are on console and/or mobile.
Also, 30% is literally the market standard, and Valve's can go down depending on much pull you have and how well your game does. I wouldn't expect Valve's cut to change too much unless the global market suddenly decides to lower the standard from 30%, which seems incredibly unlikely, especially after Tim Sweeney made his big song and dance about how silly it is that Valve charges that much, then later said the lowered cut he's offering is unsustainable.
that's my favorite game store right there
>everyone is perfectly fine with steam and if not they pirate
>this fag shows up with his own steam (but worse) acting like he's going to save gaming
god I hate the """free""" market
This. Hear hear!
But then how come EA games, Blizzard, riot, The Division all also do well? I think publishers see that, see Steams cut and say fuckoff. Steam could brag no competitors offer a better value, that you would get effective free advertisement on Steam and you could use "available on steam" as a mark of quality. Now they get none of that for the same cut.
>muhh market standard
is a dumb argument in a thread literally discussing EGS, whose pitch is literally that they charge less. Steam is not a platform. It is a chromium based computer application. Windows is the platform. The only advantage it has there is that people already have it installed, which is why EGS is giving away free games and essentially buying exclusives. Becaue once they hit a takeoff point, there is no reason to use steam.
as for your "sweeney said it is not sustainable" talking point. I am tired of hearing this. You guys are either willfully misreading a tweet or legitimately retarded and it is all so very tiresome. I am not really taking a side, but dont come crying to me when shitposting and misrepresenting things didnt win you your great launcherwar.
Too bad that its more likely for the opposite to happen where Gabe gives the free games and Tim rapes and kills your mom
I don't understand what the argument here is, Video games are just data sitting on various types of storage, Physical copies of a game are just the equivalent of a single download, The only thing digital sales hurt are the retailers who would've taken their cut of profit just like the digital platforms do, Either way you are buying something digital you can downloaded for free somewhere less respectable.
The real cancer would be streaming video games, Like if the Stadia had exclusive games with absolutely no means of obtaining the actual data of the game, Outside of a leak anyways.
>>the company that tried to make paid mods a thing
bethesda?
>whose pitch is literally that they charge less
And then they later turned around and said was unsustainable, which is why they charge higher prices outside the US than Steam.
I mean Tim gives me way more free games. But based on pictures alone, the rest of your post is fairly accurate.
>"Man getting shit on by consumers but praised by developers says developers are better than consumers."
WOAH
Hmmmm what company allowed this on their platform????
>buying games with DRM in them
If I wanted slow ass binaries that run like molasses I would fire up the old Pentium machine and run some games on it. I do not associate with cancer like Denuvo.
bethesda
wow user you deliberately missed his point bet that'll get people on your side
We need to go back.
How do I get paid to shill for Epic? If I am going to spend my time shitposting, might as well get paid to do it.
>and then they turned around and said it was 100% sustainable, but VATS and European processing fees are higher, which is why games end up being cheaper in NA, but the same price in Europe
fixed that for you. Even GoG stopped trying to subsidize EU fees sith NA sales.
I hold anybody who can offer me a better cut or whatever in very high suspicion. If they can lower the cut that easily, then they also raise it back just as easy too
bethesda
If the cut resulted in lower prices I would have at least been interested. But this big song and dance about how much more money the developers get doesn't make me give half a shit.
>maybe if i needlessly double down they'll stop attacking the corporation i worship
also worth noting there is a key difference here. Steam charges the same margin no matter what region but eats some (not all) of the fees. So publishers are more willing to charge the same price. Epic charges the same smaller margin in every region, but doesnt eat the fee, leaving the publisher to decide if it is optimal to eat what amount of it or pass it on to consumers. Which means if they eat it, its a slightly better deal than steam, if they can pass it on, it is a WAY better deal. it comes out of their extra margin, but only in regions it applies, and still probably doesnt negate the benefit there.
that is not how contract law works.
Soys can’t compete with the virtual ethnostate
why does this guy look like a pedophile
Is he wrong? the ideia that consumer have any power of the market is stupid and infantile, sheep don't get to choose when they get slaughter.
Because paid mods was bethesda's idea? you get what he's saying right Chen?
Paid mods was bethesda's idea, yes.
And then Valve OFFICIALLY ENDORSED and ACTIVELY PUSHED for it. This isn't rocket science. Take corporate dick out of your mouth.
They did, and they immediately purged it off steam after the backlash. Bethesda in the other hand is still actively pushing the idea of paid mods and they even implemented it in their current and future releases