It's okay when Steam has exclusives

>only steam keys

I do as well. I think to most end consumers an arbitrary difference based on ideology does not sway purchasing decisions.

im amazed Epic still sends people here to defend this trainwreck

>It's okay to fight a "monopoly" by establishing an actual fucking monopoly

>Warcraft I & II
>no Warcraft III
it's like I hate you

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>whataboutisms
>fake news
>botnet
>buying out third party titles as exclusives (valve and every other platform has never done this)
>Fortnite dying

No wonder Epic is on hardcore shilling duty right now

>monopoly

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I am gonna be honest, I dont really care either way which store I use, I just shill for EGS cause it makes more people seethe than shilling for Steam. Plus steam is the sameshit but with social media built in, which is fine since I can ignore it. But I like triggering the socialmedia fanboys.
EGS is on humble now, and will probably make its way to the non CC fraud ridden keystores.

Haha epic shills are triggered by getting called out

>it's okay for epic to remove consumer choice

o-k retard

A download code in a box isn't a physical copy. Valve got rid of choice by getting rid of physical copies. Valve is why digital distribution has a monopoly on PC. PC didn't need Valve's console wannabe client. Steam was the consolization of PC. Why does Valve always get a pass?

it has like 25 games. hardly a fucking monopoly retard.

>by getting called out

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>I'm the ONLY ONE who gets to sell this product for ONE YEAR because of an agreement between me and another company!
>no one can compete with me because of this agreement!
>this isn't a monopoly because it only lasts ONE YEAR!
oh no, it's retarded

>It's okay when Steam has exclusives
Publishers become exclusives willingly while Epic needs to bribe them to join their shit launcher
>It's okay when Steam is bloatware
It actually is one of the launchers that take the least memory while Epic with nearly no features is twice the usage

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Epic Game Store doesn't have a shopping cart.

Come at us bro

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EGS and streaming games wouldn't even be taken into consideration if PC gamers didn't cuck out to Valve.

Just because Epic is shit and Steam is better, that doesn't mean Steam isn't shit.

Competition will be the only thing that moves Steam, they've been working on the UI for around 3 to 4 years, and we've seen nothing out of it, on a freaking UI. The only reason they're working on getting it out asap, is because of Epic.

Harddrive space is fucking cheap now.

>memory
>Harddrive

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>Steam has mod support via Workshop
>Epic Games has no mod support
Why am I supposed to hate Steam again?

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>someone actually edited those subtitles
why

That's ram, nigger.

o-k retard x2

That's right. Everything Steam did (except paid mods, which they backed down on thankfully) is OK but what Epic does isn't. I will not pay Epic a single cent and I won't even download their shit in order to get the free games they're offering. Problem?

how is that epic manages to be one of the least efficient, while fucking offering nothing?

Because as a gamer you just don't understand what I'm doing for you. I'm creating competition to get you lower prices, by eliminating all competition and not lowering my prices.

It makes sense, you just don't get it.

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>TL;DR
funny how i never mentioned steam,thanks for outing yourself chang

I'm not gonna pay for 40 dollar games just so they can fuck with my shit, thanks.

What exactly is shit about Steam anyway?

>what is Nexus Mods
>what is the fact that EGS literally was a modding tool before it sold games
to be fair though, are these really valid options if they dont activey try and fuckoff GoG users or try paid mods?

boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/EpicGamesStore_1400x788_115627d82416826e240d42891ede4afe7975ba19.0.jpg/type/op/
Sage & ignore chink shills

u dont need mod
you need give 12% deveroper
steam bad
it bloat

Telemetry.

There will never be real competition until piracy is completely legalized. I would rather the government make it illegal for companies to charge for digital distribution.
Mod support, like all digital distribution platform "features", is a non feature because it involves the developer and or community gimping the game to make the workshop the only way to mod
Automatic updates are not a good thing. Gabe said it was a bad thing that developers used to have to release their games complete and playable without a patch on consoles because they had no way of updating it. You idiots act like updates are a good thing.

Ok, tell me one time when Steam forced exclusivity??
Also... Tianmen Square

by selling my info to china, gee thanks pal 20 dollars off was sure worth building the american social credit score

Can someone tell my why Epic Games Store games are so fucking expensive ?

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>Bethesda
JUST

East Asian memory optimisation.

>It's okay when Steam has exclusives
No such thing unless the publisher doesn't want it on GoG or whatever. Steam doesn't pay to gate games off.

because you live in a third world shithole and they dont want NA to pay your fees for you.

Newfag

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Why the fuck would you use an image of the japanese cleaning lady just to change half the fucking subtitles?

Valve didn’t get rid of physical copies. You can still buy physical CDs of games sold on Valve store. Most stores just don’t stock PC games because people don’t buy them as much as digitally

the 12% cut is unfeasible so they just pass the fees onto the payer

>It's okay when Steam has exclusives
But Steam hasn't bought any exclusives

What exclusives? The ones they made?

>it is hypocritical to want less bloatware if you already have some bloatware
explain

Reminder that literally no one has a reason to defend epic unless you are a paid shill or your first game was fortnite

Steam is no better though. Digital distribution has made games more expensive than ever when you take into consideration you don't get a physical copy or manual, dlc and micro transactions exist, you only get a download license, games are intentionally released unfinished or unplayable without a patch, etc.
Itunes and Amazon charge like $1 for a song which is still way too much, what makes Valve's servers so special? It doesn't matter if one is a song and one is a game, the only thing you get is a download license either way.

Every physical release I have bought in the last few years(of which their have been plenty) have been steam versions.

>Winnie the Pooh
Pic related

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Thanks for the answer

STEAM BAD WINNIE THE POOH BAD CHINA GOOD

Storing games take up more space than music, retard.

>he's the one who edited the subtitles
I'm sorry about your brain damage

>what makes Valve's servers so special?
the fact that they're pretty much always up, and you can download whatever you want fairly quickly even under heavy loads from anywhere in the world

>video games are financially comparable to a song you buy on iTunes

You are retarded and you literally said nothing of value in your post. You’re braindead or a concern shill with no material.

You really are over simplifying digital distribution and seem to not grasp that a physical copy of a game is also a license.

Its purpose is to fuck you up the ass while making as much money as possible for publishers.

>Digital distribution has made games more expensive than ever
lol no
*disregards your entire post*

shit argument m8

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the cost in videogames has always been in developing them. Not in the $0.05 for an optical disc or $0.10 for the manual. The bomb cost of physicla vidya is probably like a dollar. Yes there IS the wharehouse cost and retailer cut, but meh, steam/digital is INSANELY cheaper over the long run. I got Deus Ex for $0.80 Canadian, love to see you get a physical game for that price. or the selection steam has for under $5 during sales. Day one prices are protected pretty aggresively by price deals since console platform holders have to keep physical retailers in the loop, and dont like getting undercut. The only loophole here really is steam keys.

>Its purpose is to fuck you up the ass while making as much money as possible for publishers.
Yeah probably

Delete this.

why do the chinese hate skeletons

A Steam or other digital download code is not a physical copy. The few physical releases PC gets aren't actual physical copies because they all require Steam.
Stores don't stock them because Valve tried as hard as they could to get rid of them. They don't need to be stocked in brick and mortar stores anyway, they can be sold online, odd how you drones defend Valve but forget that physical goods can be sold online. The Jew ran movie industry gives their creations physical releases, small pretentious indie film makers release their creations on blu-ray. The video game industry lost the whatever right they had to complain about piracy when digital only was accepted. Why should anyone give them money when they don't like their own creation enough to spend a little extra money to give their creations a proper release? A proper release is a physical release.
There are a lot more people than you Valve drones think that stopped paying for games when PC went digital only but choice didn't matter to you when Valve got rid of it.

Torrents distribute games for no money

>A proper release is a physical release.
can I play the game start to finish? Then it's a proper release. I'm not an autist who needs a piece of cheap plastic to know if something is real.

You do realize all of those shops are just steam resellers

gog launcher is optional you retard

>Stores don't stock them because Valve tried as hard as they could to get rid of them.
What have they done? There's absolutely nothing preventing developers/publishers from releasing physical copies which don't require Steam. They don't do it because they don't want to, not because Valve doesn't let them. They probably don't want to put in the extra work and bear the extra expense of supporting independent copies through their own channels (physical distribution, updates, friends lists, online connectivity, cloud saves and shit like that).

If it's so bad for steam to do those things then why does epic do it?

>This thread again

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Steam has exlusive games because devs put chose to put them there.
Epic games sotre has exclusives cause they paid developers to not put them on steam.

Steam doesn't scan files outside the steam directory.
Epic games store does.

Steam doesn't send data to the chinese guvernement against your concent.
Epic does.

>Stores don't stock them because Valve tried as hard as they could to get rid of them.
Yeah, that's why CDPR games are absolutely DRM-free on physical, right?

>Steam doesn't send data to the chinese guvernement against your concent.
Epic does.

Source?

post more?

Why not

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>bethesda running 3x as much as most others
what the hell

Funny that you call steam bloatware when their roadmap is pretty much recreating all the things steam has and they lack.

tencent, a giant chinese company is known to do this, and they own 40% of epic. It's also know Epic scans your steam directory, collect data and send them off without the official tools provided by valve. You also have no say in wether or not they're allowed to collect your data. There's no telling exactly where they're sending the data, but It's pretty shady and easy to put two and two together, especially since they are so secretive about it.

What exactly is epic forcing steam to improve on? Epic is functioning by throwing millions at publishers to force games into their store and nowhere else.

Epic doesn't technically buy exclusives. They just garuntee a sales number, and will buy the remaining copies if you dont hit it. It is mostly to sway skepticism of going Epic Exclusive, and to get over the hurdle of nobody wanting to be the first game to do it.

Because according to Tim, the cut they're paying to devs is unsustainable, so they have to raise prices to make up for it.

>Nobody complains
Get fucked you zoomer, literally everybody was complaining when Valve locked 1.6 and Half Life 2 behind their piece of shit Steam, and everybody got fucking pissed when EA introduced Origin. Well everybody's using Steam and everybody's using Origin to play those games now, right? Almost like the only way for your launcher to survive is to force people to use it to play the games they want. Sounds really familiar

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now if only Epic could get games people want to play

also they may have just flat-out gotten into the game too late. Almost every PC player has Steam, and most of them will have Uplay and Origin on top of that. A fair chunk will also have Battle.net. That's three or four launchers already, a fourth or fifth is just too much for a lot of people.

What Tim actually said was that the 12% cut is not sustainable if they also have to pay the taxes and transaction fees in Europe, but is in NA. and they would rather have lower cut +fees for third worlders and just lower cut for NA, then to sell a higher cut for everybody and just make NA pay for it. I often wonder if you retards even know EU prices include VATS.

I have a library of 200+ games accumulated since 2007 or so on Steam. I'm not going to abandon it, and I don't want to install 10 different fucking launchers.

If this company wants to convert people to their launcher, they should be doing it through sales. Exclusives on some literally who DRM platform is just going to hurt both Epic and the developers who make deals with them.

lol 40% means nothing, its either 51% or you don't own jack shit in a company

I literally could care less desu. I have like 8tb effective in my desktop, + a server for media so a 200mb launcher is no big deal to me. I will never understand the tism fit.

Borderlands 3 is coming to Epic; they would've put the platforms in the reveal trailer but they wanted to avoid all the boos

I'm not supporting Epic Games.

they literally have a seat on the board of directors

what if I told you they dont want you to uninstall steam or delete your account?

I guess that justifies stealing people's data.

now if only Epic could get games people want to play

Weird how steam doesn't to have that issue at all.

Cope

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it's not about the hard drive space, it's about RAM. And the vast majority of PC owners don't have more than 8GB.

But what else could you expect from a retard who says
>could care less

If you actually think this you are a literal child with no understanding of how the world works.

How many times are you going to make this thread? The only Steam exclusives are games made by Valve.

In the instance of something like Anno 1800. Nearly all of my games are already on Steam and Ubishit ones still require me to install Uplay. I don't like my pc being bogged down with this fucking bloatware.

Fuck Epic, fuck games that use Unreal Engine, fuck the Epic Store and fuck any devs that put their game on that dogshit platform

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because Steam has larger economies of scale, charges 30% worldwide and basically subsidizes it with insane margins in NA? ultimatey who pays the fees is based on elasticity not who it is collected from.

I hate epic too but you guys are delusional if you think steam is good

Yeah this is way too obvious when the games they showcased before bl3 has clear indications on what platforms they will be on

What a salty child you are, hating on every Unreal Engine game just because you are a sheep who listens to the reddit crowd.

Steam offers more to the consumers than Epic, people love steam for a lot of reasons

Like what? Only reason steam is big because they were the first and got a big headstart

>I just shill for EGS cause it makes more people seethe
Based

Steam is just EGS but with Social media and a desire to control my entire experiance.

Sure thing Tim.

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the Workshop, for one

workshop is cancer though, and modding would be better if it died. The entire thing exists, because Nexus is platform agnostic, and they thought at one point they could get away withpaid mods.

I'll bite chang
>it's okay when Steam has exclusives
Because Steam is not strong arming people into making games exclusives with bribes. The only true steam exclusives are Valve games they are not stopping anyone from releasing their games on other platforms.
>It's okay when Steam is bloatware
How is it bloatware because it has actual features? Tons of which Epic is lacking and playing catch up to implement. Just saying "it's bloatware" could be a wide variety of things. The actual install of steam itself is very small in size as well.
>It's okay when Steam scans your PC files
What doesn't do this anymore? Also what does steam scan my PC for? Does it try to gather information from competitors like Epic?
>It's okay when developers sell physical copies that're just Steam launchers
Valve has nothing to do with this and they aren't responsible for what publishers do.
>It's okay when Steam removes games from sale
You mean porn games that would never have even had a chance in the first place on other major platforms? I don't see Epic, Sony, MS, GoG, or Nintendo selling hentai games.

This And
>Cloud saves
>Servers
>Linux/MacOS support
>Offline play
>Built-in controller support
>VR support
>Free networking socket library for devs to use

I could go on, but you'll just say that none of those count anyway.

Cloud saves, wishlist, refunds, gifting, reviews, mod support... I’m sure there’s more that I missed

a shopping cart

Steam has no "exclusives"
Steam is NOT bloatware
You have to opt in to let Steam do its hardware surveys
physical is retarded in 2019
Steam removes illegal content. All other removals are done by the developer

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>Steam Steam Steam Steam Steam

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Steam workshop does more harm than good for the industry

Please, elaborate

It's free and the devs get no additional monies though the players get additional playtime. It's inefficient.

Sorry fellas but I think the user had to go do laundry so he can't actually respond to your posts
I guess he will never know that Steam is actually good and will constantly post the same thing

Name one time Steam bought exclusivity for a game on their platform.

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not him.
but it purey exists to keep modding in the steam ecosystem as to prevent use of other launchers (such as Epic, but you shouldnt care about that) but more importantly piratefags, and MOST IMPORTANTLY GoG users. As aupposed to Nexus, which works just as well but doesnt do this. It tried to sell you mods, which Nexus never did, it tried to block you putting those mods on Nexus, even if the author stole Nexus content. it is constantly controlled by Valve shittery. its not boycott steam levels of bad, but it is a serious downgrade from Nexusmods.

>steam has exclusives
stopped reading after that, try bit herder next time OP

How many times a day do we need this exact thread?

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Cringe and bluepilled

Why the fuck would devs earn money through the steam workshop when it’s something made by the players... is that you Todd?

We can stop having them when news stops coming out about more games becoming Epic Store exclusives.

so never

Until epic stops strong arming games onto their store

>mod support
That's on their roadmap for later this year you utter valve drone.

>but it purey exists to keep modding in the steam ecosystem as to prevent use of other launchers
Launching a mod through workshop doesn't prevent you from uploading it to Nexus and having it work in non-Steam versions (or Steam versions) of the game
>It tried to sell you mods
For three days about four years ago, and then dropped and never revisited again
>it is constantly controlled by Valve shittery.
So what 'Valve shittery' has happened after paid mods went away?

>it's okay when one company does it so why don't you want two companies doing it? or 3 or 9001? are you against capitalism or something? it's only fair when companies compete to steal your data
We can handle one company. It's much harder to force Valve to do something if EGS is doing it too. Voting with our wallet will mean nothing.

So it’s not available right now, which steam guarantees. Also just because it’s on a roadmap does not mean it will come on time

wtf i love china now

You are not serious about this right?

>It's okay when Steam has exclusives
Valve never forced any game onto its platform. It's the objectively the best service.
>It's okay when Steam is bloatware
Considering how many features Steam has, it uses next to zero CPU resources and has a 30MB footprint on memory. You don't have to use any features.
>It's okay when Steam scans your PC files
It does a checksum on running processes for VAC. That's in.
>It's okay when developers sell physical copies that're just Steam launchers
Not Valves decision
>It's okay when Steam removes games from sale
They have to comply with laws to prevent them getting fines / blocked.

You don't need to respond chinky boy. America wins again.

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i dont know why we even have these threads

nobody i know has ever used the EGS and they never will. most dont even know it exists except for fortnite.

this must be propaganda targetting high schoolers and younger

>He actually thinks time-to-completion estimates for software development is at all accurate

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>It's okay when Steam has exclusives
Steam doesn't "have exclusives". There are games that released on PC and the people who released them chose Steam as their venue. Nothing contractual keeps any game sold on Steam, outside of Valves games themselves (few as they are), from selling elsewhere.
>It's okay when Steam is bloatware
First, it isn't. Second, this is the least important argument against Epic or Origin.
>It's okay when Steam scans your PC files
It literally doesn't do so without asking permission first. And even then, it specifies exactly what it's scanning.
>It's okay when developers sell physical copies that're just Steam launchers
No it isn't. This has never been okay. It has always pissed everyone off.
>It's okay when Steam removes games from sale
No it isn't. This has never been okay. It has always pissed everyone off. And on top of that, it's extra fucking stupid you even use this as an argument point as it's your favorite new store's owners who have orchestrated some of that bullshit.