Since Ultimate failed to kill it (as expected), what's next for melee?

>all this butthurt
Feels good to know Melee is still the king.

Based retard

>retard
dude im actually 106 IQ, despite that I'm 5'11 and 200 lbs of muscle. I'd kick ur ass in smash and irl so watch urself kid

>manlet talking shit over the internet
when will they learn?

You do realize 106 IQ is literally retarded, right?

>Haha everyone who doesn’t like my game is butthurt
Why are Meleefags so autistic

>not realising this is bait
baka my head

lol you kids r fuckin jokes, im fuckin huge and am confirmed to be smart as shit, u wouldnt say shit irl watch urself idiots. besides that, if i took the time to learn melee i'd be top of my state within a few weeks easily, it's not hard lol. can't say the same about ultimate, not even armada or leffen could do jack shit in the face of real competitioin

Melee may not be dead, but it is dying
I dunno why you neckbeards can't seem to wrap your minds around it,
but nobody wants to devote hundreds of hours to getting good
at an outdated game with stupid mechanics that hinge around a glitch in the coding.
Armada moving on was the herald of the end, when the best player gives it up, it's over

I used to love Melee, not as a competitive game but something to just shit around with with friends and enjoy the multiplayer and single player events, getting trophies and enjoying minigames like break the targets and other nice shit we don't have in newer smash games. Fuckers like you who just talk down on every other Smash game and only talk about Melee's ebin wavedashy Fox maymays (and also fuck Puff we cant beat her waaah)" are the cancer of Smash along with Rosterfags. Fuck you. Melee's a good game but not for the reasons you shitheads keep parroting on about. Fuck you. I'll stick to Ultimate and Brawl/PM to have fun and also to take showers daily. Kill yourself.

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Don't know, don't care. Haven't touched it in over a decade and have no intention to change that.

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Excited that Battle of BC this weekend is using frozen stadium. Hopefully all this talk of melee being dead and irrelevant will allow rule changes to actually be implemented for the future.

What is frozen stadium? A mod to make that level not shift?

Melee is great! Hope you all appreciate the work I put into winning all your tournaments.

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The Great Slap City Migration of 2020

Yeah, it makes it so it's just the starting layout with the two platforms

Yeah, spamming projectiles that stun you for a second at a time is true skill.

>at an outdated game with stupid mechanics that hinge around a glitch in the coding.
Anyone that says this instantly confirms they have no idea what they are talking about and are just repeating zoomer eceleb opinions.

This.
Melee tried to fit into a genre where people don't like them. It's a party game to have fun with your friends (if you have any).

Why do people think a game can only be played one way? If people want to play it as a party game, there's zero problem with that, nobody thinks there's a problem with that

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"Party game" isn't a genre.

But it's true :0 you just sound like a fuck nigga trying to defend a game that has been solved for more than a decade. top 8's are like an exclusive treehouse club of kids. When shit don't fly the way they want it, they blame the lag of the set, not their personal controller, or some outside forces that no one cares about.

Of course not, but it's not a real fighting game either. I don't think unga bunga would be a genre either, but thats what i mostly see when i go to tourney. They just hog up space.

I think it would be fine if people weren't annoying about it but competitive Melee people are definitely annoying about it, and they don't have the excuse of "it's meant to be played this way" to fall back on like with other fighting games.

>it's been solved for a decade
If that were true we'd be seeing actual 20XX results instead of Puffs, Shieks, and Marths winning tournaments.
Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and are trying to parrot some shit you read off a Yea Forums screencap like we all know you are.

Can you define what a ''real'' fighting game is?

You should be banned for being underage.
No the game isn't good because of glitches its good because of the intended mechanics. You could remove wavedashing and it would still be the best smash by a longshot

>Why do people think a game can only be played one way?

Because Meleefags aggressively shit on all other smash games for not having muh wavedashing, a "feature" that only the most autistic of compfags would care about.

Death, finally.

>mfw irrational anti-Meleefags are STILL absolutely seething because people are liking something they don't personally like

>Brawl
>PM
>Smash 4
>Ultimate
Any day now, right?

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The post above yours shows exactly how wrong you are. Even without wavedashing melee would be the best smash, easily.

>what's next for melee
not EVO, that's for sure

Based, see you guys in 5 years when Ultimate is dead and Melee is still going strong

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*blocks your path*

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>that 19 year old zoomer that is buttblasted a game older than him is still being played because the one he played as a young child is universally shat on

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Not killing melee isn’t a requirement

It’s like asking somebody to prove something to somebody that doesn’t matte
Fuck off and stick to what you prefer without causing a shitstorm

But Melee was one of my first console games ever when I was a kid and you fuckers made me hate it.

Nobody is upset about Melee still doing well.

It’s the people thinking a smash game had to destroy Melee to be good

The best part about melee is the sound design. Every smash game since then has had extremely unsatisfying hitsounds.

It's dead jim

>It’s the people thinking a smash game had to destroy Melee to be good
Well if you can't even surpass a 15 year old game in terms of gameplay can you really be called good? Kinda pathetic when you think about it Sakurai was never good HaL carried his ass.

>Being such a Nintendo fanboy that you get angry when people don't instantly eat up whatever new shit they push out

Fucking pathetic. Why is it okay to diss the likes of Bethesda when they put out a dumbed down sequel, but the moment Nintendo do, you HAVE to like it, or you're toxic(or whatever buzzword they use)?
People don't like the slower, shallower gameplay of Brawl and Smash 4, so they'll keep playing what they actually enjoy.
Why the FUCK are you angry by this? Did a Meleefag fuck your mom and cuck you or something?

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Ultimate sounds 10x better and flashier

I absolutely HATE how everything sounded in Smash 4. Every hit sounded like rocks breaking apart. It was a trainwreck.
Smash 64 had the most satisfying sounds though, not Melee.

The only thing that sounds great in Ultimate is the parry.

Take off the nostalgia goggles, smash 4 and brawl sucked, we finally have a good game.

64 sounds are amazing, it feels like you're actually beating the shit out of the other character.

>5 smelly cunts
>top 8
Based retard

It's true. Ultimate is a great game. It's a solid 8.5 out of 10, whereas Smash 4 was like a 7 and Brawl was a 6. Melee is still a 9.5, and 64 is like an 8.

>Melee actually has more stable, less laggy online than Ultimate
>Is also free and can run on a laptop

How is this acceptable? How the fuck do people defend Nintendo?
They've consistently had the worst online services and now they're even charging you for it.

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5 smelly cunts leaving room for 3 literal whos. Did you fail elementary math?

Fuck off retard

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The only reason why I want switch emulation is because the community is bound to make a service that has less latency for netplay than Nintendo.

Its actually insane how good netplay has gotten over the past few years. I remember having to find matches on IRC. Now it actually has less latency than playing on a crt.

>all the top players have moved on or retired
>majority of players are moving on
>FINALLY got dropped from EVO
No. It's dead. It's going to be at 64 levels within a year or two.

>Melee on a laptop
based falseflagger, everyone knows Meleefags are a bunch of purists who only play on CRT they dumpster dived for

Anyone got comparions? Didn't find any videos on YouTube

Slippi's gonna revolutionize everything, man.

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Each Smash has been better than the last one, unless you count 3DS and WiiU as different titles in which the 3DS is better because Smash Run is too fucking good.

Can you imagine if smash run were on Ultimate?

ackshually no

>Smash 4
nah, that one was shit compared to Brawl in almost every way.
I'll agree on everything else though. Ultimate is definitely the best one.

The potential is insane, think about all of the hype matches that happen off stream
youtu.be/L_d8my7Uyes

Completely skipped the Smash4 era wtf is smash run

Shitty minigame that was 3DS-exclusive. You fight a lot of random enemies and get random powerups and engage in 1 random event at the end.

Melee was the fucking best. Edge guarding was the most fun and the most viable, fast gameplay, falco didn’t throw his shine, falco could short-hop laser jump. Fuck man Brawl and Ultimate couldn’t ever hope to compare.

Also Smash Ultimate Online is laughable. People bought entire Nintendo Switch systems just for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. HAHAHAH

Nothing. The same stagnant bullshit as always except with less life because Evo told you to fuck off.

Enjoy.

How? Smash 4 had much faster gameplay and better newcomers

>shitty
take that back you dickhead it was city trial meets smash and it was beautiful

>Smash 4 had much faster gameplay
please elaborate

Nope. Melee is still the best casually.

Sounds like shit. Adventure and Spirit Board already covers that itch, and they're shit too.

Where my home run targets at I need to get a world record

City Trial was shit and Smash 4 played like ass. In that respect, it was a perfect match.

A bit faster, but not a lot to keep me interested. I didn't like how the meta revolved around the same 5 characters, and it had so few stages to play on if you wanted to play seriously.
Don't get me started on the singleplayer content, that shit's important in a Smash game too. I feel like that becomes overlooked these days.

> Buying Smash for the single player content

Yeah, this has been my dream since '13 and I recorded offline matches with a camcorder and ran a recording setup
No stone is going to be unturned and players are gonna get really fucking good when we can really analyze what's going on in a match

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>City Trial was shit
Saying smash 4 is ass is slightly better bait.

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Sorry to hurt your feelings, but I like game modes with a modicum of thought put into them. Not just "lul everything is random xD" bullshit.

nah it sucked dick and was poorly implemented

you couldn't even interact with other characters on the map to fuck each other over and steal their power ups

and events at the end were terrible and not diverse enough.

>>Is also free and can run on a laptop
If you're using an alienware, maybe

bait

>Individual Break the Targets levels
>Board the Platforms
>Non-shit Homerun Contest
>Multi-Man Melee
>Race to the Finish
>Adventure Mode
>Event Mode
>Actual aerial momentum in a platform-based game
>Practical and stylish as fuck menus
>Cool, fun mini-games like the coin launcher
>Being able to look up skirts

Even if newer Smash games do add some cool things, they also remove a bunch.
I can sort of excuse the lack of individual BTP and BTT, because making levels for 70+ characters could take a lot of effort, but something like Race to the Finish, Homerun Contest and Multi-man Melee are such braindead inclusions. Makes NO sense to not have them there.
Multi-man Melee is literally just bots on existing stages.
For homerun Contest, they probably could have re-used the assets from Brawl and cleaned up some textures.
Race to the Finish is probably a little trickier, since every character needs to be able to actually make it to the goal.
Still, I really wish they would bring stuff like this back. To this day, Brawl is still the best Smash game when it came to fun content and that's fucking sad.

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I have tons of nostalgia about watching matches recorded that way with people getting hype in the background. You were doing Gods work to actually film unstreamed matches.

>better newcomers

Maybe third parties but the design philosphy behind smash 4s newcomers was "were they in a recent game?" And literally nothing else exceot for duck hunt and little mac.

Why do meleefags hate heavy characters?

b-but user o-only the m-multiplayer matters!!

"Everyone was Here" was a mistake, they brought back all the characters, but that also meant that they had to cut down the content that was featured in previous games and barely having any single player content

I just want trophies back, that was a Smash stable, and seeing Ultimate without it feels incomplete. Imagine all the new Castlevania models we could have had.

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Have sex.

What are you talking about? Everyone thinks Ganondorf, Falcon and Yoshi are cool as fuck.
They tend to hate floaties.

What pains me the most is that all of these cool side modes could easily have implemented online leaderboards, complete with replays uploaded.
It would be really cool to be able to see BTT strats and try to copy them. I know me and my friend spent days and days trying to perfect BTT co-op in Brawl and watching Youtube videos to see how it was done. That shit was amazing and it's really sad to see it gone.

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Not bait. My 400 dollar laptop can't run dolphin at all

No problem
>tfw got cam footage of an old local hero winning a 2v1 vs Duck and Abu and I'm too lazy to reupload it anywhere

>Being this delusional

I'm not gonna lie my heart was ripped out when I played Adventure mode for the first time and I tried to find the bios for all the stickers only to find out there aren't any

>Implying Yea Forums even plays Melee

c2e22ce0
5.9.
NTSC.
No items.
East coast only.

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Netplay on a literal shit laptop with 6 buffer is 1:1 with the input delay of a CRT

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Gimme a sec to hook my ethernet up, fag
I'll play a couple games, leave the lobby up

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Suck me off.

I love Melee but I'd be lying if I said Ultimate didn't win me over. It's been over ten years but Sakurai finally fixed his mistakes and made a respectful Smash game with a good competitive scene. I hope future patches fixes the input lag, but other than that I believe we finally got the Smash game that united this split fanbase. We're finally home bros.

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I don't know if you people make these threads to draw out hate, or if you genuinely want people to discuss melee.

It's crystal clear to me that melee will literally never die. It takes me less than 30 seconds to match with one person and we usually play for over an hour. I literally need one person in the socal region socal want to play for me to get full enjoyment out of the game, not to mention irl friends.

There's been tons of new players who are coming from Ultimate actually, since all anyone needs is a gaming monitor and the gc adapter.
The crucial aspect here is that better players offer tons of advice and players can chat with each other about the game, since it is mechanically deep enough to have good conversation about.
And due to the p2p nature of netplay, I end up meeting lots of online friends at local tournaments and a physical community is formed through a 20yo game, which literally no other online pvp game does.

>no items
don't pander to Yea Forums no items goes without saying
I'd play you if you were WC

> Barely any single player content and no trophies
Fuck off

>competitive
>online gsp is fucked with no leaderboards

344ca977
Here join me my shit isn't connecting

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Living in socal is a blessing. I can get matches with people 24 hours a day

Trophies and other dumb modes were never the main selling point of Smash. It's the smashing part.

Competitive Smash is played locally and not online with shitty lag. Go to your local and fight the big boys.

i have a crappy thinkpad that can barely run something like WoW but i get consistent 60 on dolphin on it

the input lag and buffer is never going away and makes the game feel weird

online will never be as good as netplay (it's pretty much perfect)

lack of aerial momentum will always makes movement feel unsatisfying

competitive will always be a fuckton of neutral and defined combos to be airdodged out of

isabelle will never be good

I don't think ultimate will last very long. The game is still being learned so it has the melee fanbase for now but even watching it has gotten so stale so quickly. Lucina being a really dominant character should indicate that the game is very simplistic and neutral-based.

armada finally released the last part of his tier list (the top tiers) today. thoughts? he said that the top 3 could be put in any order and he would mostly agree with it.

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>nobody joined
Proof that Yea Forums does not play video games

>Widescreen
>1080p 60fps
>Can read inputs
This is pretty fucking huge. You'll be able to study in detail what everyone is doing.

Sakurai is the perfect example of a hack video game director.
Struck gold one time and everything else is trash.

>things that only meleefags and rosterfags pretend to care about
big whoop.

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>old players are either washed or retiring
>some others are moving to Ultimater or other fighting games,
>the only player gate keeping melee is HungryBox and his game is so effective and boring that even spectators are leaving.

Melee is done for the next year or so, it had its good run, but dont worry it might come back in like 4 or 5 years once people get tire of Ultimate.

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ggs luigi 117 ping is tight
You still want to play or did someone join yet

>Nobody wants to watch etc etc
Genesis 6 had pretty high viewing numbers, despite Hbox winning.
Why is Kermit always so fucking wrong about Melee?

>kermit poster
>retarded
everytime

Lmao, Meleehaters are pathetic

Quit reposting screencaps of your own posts, tedious retard, and try making an actual argument

>Puff S tier
Bull fucking horseshit

>Melee is done for the next year or so
People have been saying this exact same fucking thing for 6 goddamn years.

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Join 344ca977

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Meh. I'd like to see his in-depth views on Fox v Puff though

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>unironically wanting model rips over individual characters

>Puff is number 1
I don't really agree. He did say that the top 3 is pretty much interchangeable, but I would not put Puff that high.
She is clearly a top character. No one with more than half a brain will argue that.

What's wrong with having a neutral based game? SF4 was nothing but neutral and everyone loved that shit

take a shower, you guys reek.

>Bull fucking horseshit
t.Hbox
Stop trying to bait sympathy your character is just as broken as fox

based hbox

Have sex.

Tighter than your asshole around my dick.
I rarely get to shit talk and this is the best I can do. Sorry. Shit was fucked, breh.

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>hungrybox wins another tournament
>the rest of the top players try to get him banned and decide overnight that his character is too strong, 18 years after release
lmfao

oh, are we listing other things meleefags will never do? here's a few more: get a job, get a life, get a clue, git gud at a fighting game.

Whew remember this wannabe Nostradamus made a post like this before this one and it turned out wrong and uninformed at every single point so he just made a new one hoping that his fedora tier prose would win over all the epic hatewagon Tortanic tourists?

Ultimate didnt exist 6 years ago, melee was at EVO 6 years ago

That trophy is an original model though

Besides, spritis doesn't even have descriptions

Puff has been considered one of the top characters for over a decade now. Top 5 at worst

Name the characters that wins against Puff. I'll help you get started.
>Fox, arguably
And?

Forgot "play an irrelevant game"

>Being able to look up skirts
Gotta have that E10 rating user.

Don't keep us waiting on the next quote from leffen's clickbait videos

And Melee has been ''stale'' or ''dying'' ever since fucking Brawl.
It's not going away. People are going to keep playing it. If this honestly makes you upset, it's time to seek Christ.

Nobody actually smart is arguing for a Puff ban, Leffen is a fucking idiot that happens to be a savant at fighting games.

leffen is also not fighting for a puff ban so i don't know why you bring him up

yea you could make the argument that any of the top 3 are the "best" in the game

>fox
highest tech skill ceiling obviously, but requires that much of an operator while also being the most susceptible to combos and techchases

>marth
best all-around neutral tools, but requires the most finesse to execute punishes in certain matchups (sheik, puff)with a super nuanced combo game at top levels

>puff
easiest top char by far with the lowest techskill ceiling, best edgeguarding, strongest read punish, and highest survivability except against fox
her bair alone is enough to win entire tournaments because of its simple application via her insane air mobility

I personally like Armada's ordering. If PPMD were around Marth could be 2nd since we're losing all our best Fox players to fatigue and PPMD makes Marth look broken af.

There are so many resources for players now that I have no doubt that people will level up to fill the place of the gods

Yeah him repeating over and over "I'm not saying puff should be banned, but here's why I think puff should be banned" definitely means he doesn't want her banned

source

Nothing will ever top Melee for someone who adores it as much as the so called Meleefags, so please understand that no Smash game will ever go away, don't wait for a game to top another, be excited for what's new, respect other's tastes, and have fun.

in SF4 rounds actually end. SSBU is just trading one-hit for one-hit endlessly until someone is just so damn high they'll die off a throw. Stocks last too long. There's no consistent way to edgeguard like you can in melee. Neutral's fine as long as the punish can be rewarding i.e stocks are actually taken

>UnclePunch
>20XX
>Slippi
>Endless amount of VODs and tutorials
>Actual top players doing match analysis
>Even obscure MUs have coverage
It's never been easier to get into Melee than it is now. Shit's pretty cash.

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Why does Ultimate have to "kill" anything? Both communities can exist either together or separately just fine

>ppmd
We already have zain, who's been doing shit no one's been able to implement until now. But pp will come out of retirement soon, so your point is still valid

There is some combo game in Ultimate, but only for a few characters. Most of them are still reliant on semi-combos and airdodge baits.

nothing for playing, but it can make top-level play boring to watch, which is why no one likes watching SF in general,

SF also uses health so survivability isn't a factor, but no one wants to see inkling put off stage 10 times in a row by stray neutral hits and ledgetraps.

timestamp

nobody cares that meleefags are still playing an old game. they care about how autistic meleefags are over playing their old game and the unreasonable burdens they place on tournament operators.
it's hard to take meleefags seriously when they pretend to be above getting upset at people for playing other games, because meleefags are the fanbase that booed guilty gear for not being melee.

Melee is fucking sick

Nothing except the same old boring meta that's been in place the past 12 years, meleefags are honestly pathetic

the ultishart community is out for revenge against melee because they wouldn't play brawl and brawl 2, it's always been about revenge for them

>shows how wrong
>shows
the post above his is just another "NUH-UH"

>We already have zain
Zain plays so fucking lame though. His punish game is great and all, but his neutral is fucking cheesy as all hell.
PPMD had legit fucking retarded good spacing and just watching the man dash dance was beautiful. Zain literally dash backs and grabs and that's basically it.
Glad he can beat Hbox though.

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learn2read nigga I'm saying there's no fucking edgeguarding

not even
a puff who's a few weeks old will spank any fox whose shit isn't tight af
>bair spam is so easy to do
>nair or fair offstage into free edgeguard
>jab reset and hanging out at roll range for easy rests

to not think puff is top 1 material is to not know anything about how melee is played

>and the unreasonable burdens they place on tournament operators
You mean how they have to carry around CRTs themselves and not get any sponsorship from Nintendo?
What does this even mean?

you do realize that the staff at tournaments have to deal with your gross, unsanitary roach-filled crt screens, right?

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Based and Meleepilled

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A Yea Forums poster is an accurate source?
Well, this Yea Forums poster says I fucked your mom last night. Now what?

To be fair Salem's one man army hatred for Melee makes for good tv

BASED

>alienware

it's not 2004 anymore, grandpa

you can build a computer to emulate Gamecube for like $300 or less

why do meleefags think screaming "FAKE NEWS!" at every story of their autism makes it go away?

Meleefags: I enjoy this game. I do not enjoy later Smash games. I will keep playing Melee instead of wasting money on something that clearly isn't for me.

Anit-Meleefags:
>Picture related

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>It's a Smash thread

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why do anti-meleefags think that a post with no proof on Yea Forums is absolute truth?

Zain is amazing but mainly cuz he has insane dair cancels and pivot fsmashs, but PPMD makes marth look broken from neutral alone. Apex 2015 is the best Marth ever looked.

why do they need CRTs if emulated Melee is supposedly better?

There's no denying that a lot of the people who enjoy Melee are fucking nerds. That's mostly what underground competitive gaming is.
But, just because some fanny flustered faggots on Yea Forums keep making up and posting the same stories over and over doesn't make them right.
That screencap is just as valid as any other post here. I have a CRT in my room right now. No roaches in sight.

because tournaments are played on actual gamecubes, not emulators

Lame isn't bad if the set is still exciting

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>failed to kill it
see you at evo, op!

Several reasons. Emulation is not 100% accurate or safe. There may be issues with frames dropping, or different set-ups might encounter some issues.
Another is that Nintendo won't like emulation, so say good buy to large tourneys with streams on Twitch.

cope

Aight east coast Samusfag, I'm back, where you at

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>That 200 IQ Tomahawk at 06s
God, I fucking love it when Mango is playing well. No one in their right mind can dislike his playstyle. It's just fun times.

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Ultimate left a dent, EVO punched a hole though that dent.

I love Melee just because its mere existence causes this level of seething. Zoomers really are mentally ill.

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see

If you're 19 you're older than melee

t. casul who could never into competitive play

Honestly Im not a melee is dead person but woth all pf the interesting top tier players quitting or doing something else Im not interested anymore.
Melee is really cool at the highest level but even the like 20th best players look like shit.

Someone stole my GameCube. I honestly don't care enough to spend that much money to replace it when I have the more recent ones.

What are your settings and what Thinkpad model are you running? I have a t420 but after a while the game starts to lag.

works on my pc :)

>tfw I'm literally a 19 year old boomer playing melee

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>laptop

There's the problem. It probably has a shitty integrated graphics card or something.

Host up, i'll play a FT5

t460s
pretty sure i cranked all the settings to max, but i'm not on that computer right now so i can't check

Does anyone even play Melee, or is it just eceleb shit watching the “gods” of the game play against each other in tournaments ad nauseum?

Melee is so boring to watch and play though. So little character variety every year. So far Ultimate had a decent variety already

>being this new
>not knowing about anthers ladder
>not playing melee in its best incarnation

fun fact: lffn plays exclusively on emulator when not at tournaments

I like that Falco isn't just Fox though.

read the reply chain

>Puff was S tier in the April's fools tier list way back then
>now, it's a reality

What happened?

>tfw 21 year old zoomer, grew up on brawl, only play melee now
ultimate was the worst $60 i've ever spent

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4d9b1808

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Why can't we agree that both Melee and Ultimate are good?

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What are your opinions on Armada's recent tier list?

>Luigi below Doc
>Young Link below DK and Mewtwo
>Mario above Ganondorf
>Roy not in Trash

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ultimate isn't good, that's why

>melee god streams ultimate
>+500-1000 subs a session
>melee god streams melee
>+50-100 subs a session

I think its dead jim

>Puff
>Highest survivability
This is just flat out wrong. The ''Puff dies early'' is a meme and not really true, but in no way does she have the highest survivability.
Characters like Samus, Peach and even Yoshi have a much easer time living due to their weight and/or recovery.

Hbox slowly is becoming the best melee player in history, he's dominating the competitive scene right now, and is slowly outdoing Armada.

Ultimate is really mediocre. I had fun for a couple days but had to go back to Melee.

Based Meleechads stealing money from retarded underage ultimatefags

This is such a shallow metric of quality. Having 80 viable characters isn't a sign of an excellent and deep game design if the mechanics are one dimensional and the strategy gimmicky. What's important to good gameplay is the depth of mechanics and strategy and having decent enough roster to apply that to. So far Ultimate's high level game has proven to be quite cheesy.

if character variety is all you care about, just seeing different characters, then you probably have ADD or are just retarded. melee has less characters being played but each player has such a unique and different playstyle that is just not present in ultimate. compare s2j's hyper aggressive balls to the wall, sick falcon to wizzy's incredibly calculated, safe, defensive style of play. such playstyle variety does not and cannot exist in later titles. there's barely even playstyle variety between the different characters in ultimate, it's just everyone spamming nair until someone gets caught enough times.

>Meleefags are still seething their decade-old game isn't appearing at EVO.

Times change, old men.

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I've never had a problem with Ultimate's online and I don't understand why. I don't even use a cable, I play on wifi. I don't think my service is anything special. Is it because I play right next to my router?

brawl had the best fox voice
you can not dispute this

You aren't good enough to notice how shit it is

More stomps. More knees.

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hmm

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>implying anything will rival bodying your opponent and telling them to CUM ON

Melee Fox is such a chad that it's practically noncanon, he's like if Wolf and Fox were one character.

Eh Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 hasn't been topped, does that mean Zoo Tycoon is shit?

>t460s
That would explain it. The HD 520 igpu in that chip shits all over the HD 3000 in the T420, especially if you increase the VRAM in the BIOS.

Melee manages to not only have a better singleplayer, but a better online with multiplayer with anther's ladder too.
>Event matches
>Break the targets
>Trophies, including the trophy stages and trophy minigames
>Home run contest
All of these are so much better than world of light which is a bloated mess. Spirits are also so much worse than trophies as they are just thrown at you, and after a certain point they just lose all value, and they don't even have descriptions. Not to mention melee also has
>A unique animated intro, something never seen again (every intro just reuses other clips)
>An announcer that says the name of the fucking game at the start menu
>Netplay which better scales your skill vs. your opponents, a ranking system that actually makes sense, a ladder system which lets you see the top players, giving you a clear goal in mind
There's more young melee players now. Zain and ginger are both amazing and are in their early 20s. Also, armada is only like 26, hbox is 25, leffen is 24.

If you have a router made in the past few years its fine, most people are still on potato wifi from 10 years ago and they wonder why wireless sucks so much.

That's adorable.

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That'd explain it, then. I got a new one in 2015.

Smash Ultimate is a much better game and you fucking know it. The dash tech far exceeds air dodging on the ground.

>Dash tech
Nigga what

>neets in charge of knowing what day of the week it is or what time it is, literally no concept of work
>shitposters not knowing that Melee gets its views from tournaments and not individual players streaming for fun

Yes

>1,300 views for the ancient game versus 4,600 for the new Hotness that's only 3 months old

Yeah it's already in decline.

They think acting out of dash somehow saves the game from being shit. Even though you can already do that in melee with a wavedash

The lack of character diversity is greatly exaggerated.
Genesis 6 top 8 had Jigglypuff, Marth, Yoshi, Pikachu, Falco, Sheik and Falcon. With the exception of two players, everyone played different characters.

Even so, no one who cares about Melee cares about character diversity. To be honest, most mid/low tiers have really limited options. That's why they aren't winning.
While characters like Fox and Falco have a seemingly endless amount of options available in any given situation, allowing for an extremely expressive playstyle.
I think people who complain about the ''Fox only'' shit just don't understand Melee. You have a LOT more varied and interesting interactions happening in pretty much any given Fox ditto than you'd have among most of the low tiers.
Look at characters like Zelda, Bowser, Pichu or Kirby. They can do fuck all except spam their one or two options that aren't pure garbage. Why would people want more of that?

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>dash tech
Like?

>Only 4500 viewers on a Friday
Fuck, bros. Is Ultimate dead already? You told me it was the hot new Smash game. Damn..

>no one who cares about Melee cares about character diversity

This right here is why Sakurai refuses to pander to those retards.

>tournaments

You mean those things that have a fraction of the exposure and profits of streaming does?

Seething.

Yeah thats why he panders to rosterfags while leaving the gameplay shit.

If melee wasn't Nintendo characters I would still play it

>profits
lol, definitely new to this whole Melee thing. The exposure is not less at all dipshit, many more thousands of viewers watch tournaments than rando netplay streams. Money isn't what Melee players are after, and evidently the people that compete and run tournaments make enough to keep doing it or we wouldn't have anything.

Sakurai is a hack who pretends like his self sabotage is on some ideological high ground.

No shit, retard. Why would he pander to a niche audience when he could reel in the larger, casual crowd who gives no fucks about gameplay?

Melee fox has more diverse playstyles than the entirety of ultimate's roster. I'm gonna be honest here, the only people who disagree with the fact that melee is the best smash game are either casuals, or people who have buyer's remorse because they can't fathom that they paid 300$ for a switch, 20$ for online, and 60$ for the game to ultimately (no pun intended) have a worse experience than a game that you can play on an emulator for much less.

I bet you thought you had a point and everything when you typed that out. You cracked the code user!

u mad lol

At a tournament you share exposure, when you stream your team can literally have you plug sponsors at anytime for hours on end

Nigga streaming is the future of esports

Or maybe they're not fucking obsessed with playstyles and just want to have fun with a crossover game? You ever think about that?

That's what he said. Casuals.

>Melee fox has more diverse playstyles than the entirety of ultimate's roster
This level of delusion is obscene

Holy shit he's actually seething, fucking lmao meleefags need to kill themselves pronto.

Melee doesn't give a shit about the future of esports. You don't share exposure during a tournament, you work your ass off and earn it through winning. I've been a viewer and a player for years and recent success at a tournament will do more for a streamer than anything else they could do, except for Mang0 but he's the exception to the rule since he can be entertaining and stream other games than just Melee.

Not really, when you actually look at ultimate's roster you'll notice how bloated it is. Lots of characters play exactly the same usually with 1 character clearly outclassing the rest in their archetype. Pichu completely outclasses basically every rush down character for instance.

It's not quite at that point but the diversity of Ultimate is illusory. For example there are 76 characters but hardly 76 playstyles. Many of the characters have practically identical strategies and there is not even enough strategic variety to improvise different playstyles out of the same characters.

It's funny to me that what he's saying is so unbelievable to Yea Forums when I know it firsthand. No two Foxes play the same.

he mentioned casuals you retard

Take a shower.

People like mango exist because of esports team and sponsors. Do you think any of the gods could have had as long of win streaks as they had with only tournament winnings? Do you think teams are going to keep valuing tournament results when streaming makes them more money then they ever could by just having player playing the game competitively? Do you think anyone would play melee if no teams where picking up players for it?

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>Do you think any of the gods could have had as long of win streaks as they had with only tournament winnings?
Are you fucking retarded? Mang0's career peaked before he even got sponsored. Same with mew2king.

Name them. All 76 styles. Also no player names aloud to describe styles.

>“gods”
there is only one G-d in melee, PBUH

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>this level of cope
fucking kek

>upthrow pair
>waveshine upsmash
>Back air spam
>Shine spike
This is how every fox kills, your obsession clouds your mind.

EVO already killed it.

>all 76 styles
to be fair, Daisy and Simon are just straight up inferior versions of Peach and Richter. Call it 74 if you must include Echoes.

And if no one thought that a team would pick them up when they got to that point do to think there would be that many people still playing. PG fired a melee player and an ultimate player to pick up 2 more ultimate players.

What dose that tell you about the prospects of teamhood for the aspiring melee player?

>He doesn't clean up stocks with the DAFT
lmao

I don't know why you're thinking of money so much, Melee players like the game and will play it regardless as long as they can get to the tournaments somehow. Streaming is completely optional for even a top 10 Melee player. The community is pretty good at crowdfunding and sometimes that's how a foreing player gets to a big major when they otherwise couldn't. Melee isn't going to be some Fortnite household name and we never tried to be. We just like Melee and we'll show up when we can. Sponsors help, and some see some success streaming, but nobody's kidding themselves into thinking that we're oh so interested in anything but the gameplay and occasionally getting to know other members of the community.

>johns everywhere

Or should I call them leffs?

GGs Peach player that was good practice

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>And if no one thought that a team would pick them up when they got to that point do to think there would be that many people still playing
Yes people would still be playing. You don't go into Melee for money you go into it because its actually fun and rewarding. Crazy concept I know.

Mango didn't get picked up until 2014 and had played melee for 10 years already by that point.

Outsiders don't understand that melee existed for almost a decade before any substantial amount of money was put into the game. Now that it's basically free for anyone with a decent gaming rig, it will actually never die while other pro gamers look for money so they can literally make gaming a job.

Kermit said it best. The reason Melee isn't coming back to EVO is because of its repetitive 30 minutes of mango vs. mew2king and other fuckery. Not to mention the fact that they had to use old ass TV sets to hook up. It wasn't going anywhere and everyone is happy that it's gone. Make room for new games that offer new characters and challenges. Because Melee sure as shit can't do that with its limitations.

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Its mainly cause of their personalities that they got sponsored. Which is even more sad considering they both can barely make top 8 now.

Same, gg
I should honestly play more but I'm just too lazy to drive out to tournaments anymore haha

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>getting a grab
>frametrap with waveshine
>walling out with bair
>reading recovery with shine

>4 completely unique neutral interactions that lead to offstage interaction or tech chase or DI mixups

meanwhile ultimate has outpacing, ledgetraps, reading airdodges, and combos from throws
thanks for proving the point

It amazes me how much Yea Forums doesn't understand gaming competition, let alone Melee. I wouldn't mind if it was just asking questions to learn more, but it's always just bullshit claims from people you can tell have never scratched the surface but have the full confidence to continue. This isn't healthy Yea Forums, you can't waste your lives typing about things you don't even know or seemingly care about.

You can instantly tell when someone doesn't know anything about Melee. They always use the same sort of rhetoric and always falls back on the stinky day meme when they get called out.
Then again, they are the same people who post shit like in picture related. Even if some of them pretend to like Melee, it's obvious that they don't play it much.

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Where is Kermit when we need him? Holy shit the autism in this thread is ridiculous.

tfw when you'll never lose to Chillin in Greco-Roman wrestling.

>getting a grab
Which is followed by either one or two upairs if the first dosnt kill because it combos into itself on triplats.
>>frametrap with waveshine
Which you finish with upsmash unless you are implying shine is a kill move
>>walling out with bair
>not the same as spaming backair
>>reading recovery with shine
>not how shine spiking works

Its like you tried to prove him right

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Well looking back to the OP I can kind of see it. The OP in his enormous faggotry started this thread with an inflammatory post about Ultimate since the cowards of Yea Forums only know how to stir shit when they want to see discussion instead of a 0 reply thread. This board is so shitty and they don't even know it. Sorry Ultimate players, I don't like your game but I don't care enough to bash it.

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melee will never die
its just too hype compared to the other smash games

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Hey, guys. Luigi main here. Recently learned some pretty silly, but neat, kill set-ups on Marth from watching Jah Ridin.
Posting these here, because why not? Maybe some other Luigi friend will find them useful.

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Here's the same set-up, but using dair as a finisher for a horizontal kill instead.

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And finally, here's a DI mix-up by jabbing and regrabbing for a throw in the opposite direction. This one is kinda tricky, but fun to pull off.

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but kermit was wrong though

Then why isn't it at EVO? :^)

Intimidated? Scared? You should be.

What's the social aspect like between Ultimate players/friends? I could never really tell.

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fake and forced, just like their scene

user, I...

same reason last election was trump clinton ; )

Melee was worse than 64 though

the important thing is how you get to those kill interactions
which you'd get if you actually played melee at a non-shit level

What's your practice setup like? I've never been one much for labbing so I don't know all of the mods and such that are out there, but that looks interesting

64 is the second best easily but the lack of DI(besides sdi) and generally worse ground movement makes it slightly worse.

are you that Luigi that fucked me up all last night? goddamn, nair is hard to play around when you're just mediocre like me.

UnclePunch's Training Mode v1.1. You can find a download link on Smashboards. Should show up as the first Google result.
You'll need an NTSC ISO though.

>BRO YOU CAN ALREADY DO THIS STUFF YOU JUST GOTTA PRACTICE WAVE DASHING FOR 3 HOURS A DAY AND GIVE YOURSELF ARTHRITIS AT 23 BRO FORGET ULTIMATE ITS CASUAL BABY SHIT

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>I'm a casual so they should make the game worse to pander to me
kys

>3 hours a day + arthritis
When I grinded, I played at most 2 hours every 3 days, excluding going to tournaments and I'm better than 90% of this thread
Also it's Carpal Tunnel not arthritis lmao

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>Making the ability to act out of dash easier and not require numbing your fingers is making the game worse
keep seething, stinky melee baby

Which you failed to describe unless you consider what you said to be some glorious insight.

>is GAME dead?
no its players are still learning and enjoying it because it's not that easy but it's still very rewarding
>HURRR ARTHRITIS WHEN WILL GAME DIE

meanwhile, the whole world eats sekiro up because it's hard

Again thats only one reason melee is better. Acting out of dash doesn't fix the many other things Ultimate does wrong. Keep coping nigger

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based

it's not insight to ppl who actually play the game lol

Yeah I think I'll get that then, thanks my man

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Being bad at video games does not make video games bad, retard.

No problem. Remember to fuck around with the AI reaction options to learn what works at what DI at what %.
This shit will make you a punish monster if you put enough effort into it.

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melee is dead

wavedashing isn't even hard

I can't find anyone talking about the glitch in 2.0.1 where Meta Knight disappears from the CSS under unknown circumstances stemming from online play. A fix would be nice.

Why can’t people just mod this game to have characters from later games that I like so I’ll want to play it? They can be badly made and ugly as fuck that’s fine I just hardly like anyone in melee.

>Melee fox has more diverse playstyles than the entirety of ultimate's roster.

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Play PM fag

I haven't seen a single match of newer smash that was hype outside of it being an upset or being an unusual character

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Literally Project M.

This, all the ""hype"" sets people talk about feel so forced and fake.

>he says posting a webm of an unusual character

youtu.be/xFwAEiGLCk4?t=328

>Melee will die since it got canned from EVO and it's """""""gods""""""" are getting old
>Ultimate will die since Smashtendies have a lack of attention span
The shower is incoming, stinkies

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Yeah I have stuff happening an hour away from me but really netplay trumps 3-man setups and going 1-2

say it to my face not online

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>meleefags tout Melee to be the most deep and complex fighter
>and yet the concept of defensive play, which is as old as fighters themselves, makes them go REEEEEE

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Well most people dislike Hbox because of his personality not his playstyle contrary to what he wants you to believe.

>because of both
Fixed

Well loads of people camp but none of them get much hate for it. especially m2k Hbox is just an unlikable faggot.

You wanna go at it, mate?

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defensive play always got reeee'd at depending on the game. Nobody like runaway storm, morridoom (not really defensive but different from the rest of the game, etc.It's all about what a game is perceived to be and what "violates" the spirit of it. The cause of reee varies but it has always existed

Melee is a pretty defensive game, but offense works too. That's what makes it good, you can control the pace depending on the matchup and stage. A character like Puff is defensive when it's safe to do so and offensive when it's safe to do so, which is a pretty quick explanation but hopefully one that can shed some light on why it's frustrating to play and fight the character.

>went to go check that PNX mod after forgetting about it for months
>LMAO AIRDASHING
And just like that, my expectations shriveled
also the guy is acting like a total jackass and prick, not surprising since he's a spic

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The cast in Smash Ultimate is so homogenized its not even funny

Whatever you need to tell youself

you plan on backing that up?

I don’t like anyone in M either. How do you mod this stuff yourself I’m gonna make ultimate’s roster look like a fucking joke.

>cant refute it
kek pathetic

meleefags will defend this

youtube.com/watch?v=DsRSbY9Hc-k

dude brawl mods are fucking amazing. Had one installed that had 60 characters all with so many different skins. A lot were unbalanced and didn't make sense (fucking Jar Jar was a spiderman costume) but god damn that shit with 3 other friends is so much fun. It develops into a little league trying to rank the characters and find out what their special powers are etc.

>stinkies
stinky day was a nu smash event

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is that chudat

>failed to kill
>melee has been excommunicated from Evo

Oh yes, a conglomeration of fat nerds in one place certainly won't stink lol

>implying Melee lives or dies on EVO
try again

When Hax$ got his hands fucked up it wasn't because of Melee. It was because when he put down the gamecube controller each day he went and played League of Legends for another 5 fucking hours.

>EVO decides if a game is dead or not
The absolute state of FGC fags

he still plays league
based hax money

you can't turn around the falcon punch in melee, and frankly, that kills layers of sick mind games so fuck melee niggas

Gimmicks and projectiles run Ultimate, especially because of the shield nerfs. I wish they just made the shield in Ult like Melee, and parrying projectiles reflected them similar to power shielding in Melee.

The online in Ultimate is also cancerous, holy fuck it's awful.

Death, because meleefags are cancerous, elitist retards. Playing the same game for 19 years in a row doesn't make you better than everyone else. Play any fighter that isn't Melee and THEN you can talk shit.

You seem upset

>Puff the literal gimmick character is one of the best characters in the game
>marth grab range into chain grab
>Fox shine in general and lasers unstaling his moves
>Falco shine basically bayo combos on yoshis story
>A literal infinite has been legal and is barely considered getting banned.
>Characters like samus luigi and yoshi are literal gimmicks that work
>Peach downsmash and chain grabs
>Shiek chain grabs and tech chase
>Falcon being the only character with a pretty fair kit
Shut up smeleecuck

Have a small scene until people get tired of ultimate or a new wave of players pop ups.

what are the most kino matches?

youtube.com/watch?v=TU8f7U0Y4MY

>he doesnt know

>Nooo! How dare they prefer game over OTHER GAME?!

>outdoing Armada
Not even close yet

Hbox will NEVER be the goat.

>Hbox will NEVER be the goat.
how so? we don't know if melee will ever die and he can easily continue staying on top as long as he wants to.

Ecelebs need to be entered into a blacklist of names that trigger a ban for any user who posts them on Yea Forums.

uh, my dude, did you miss the evo news?

>STOP
>DISCUSSING
>VIDEOGAMES
>YOU FRICKERS

Accept it's dead and move on. And for fucks sake, shower.

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once he kills melee, he will forever be remembered as the greatest melee player of all time

They're competitors in the same game we play. We know their names because they are really good at the game. Begone shitposter

I'll take a thread like this over the 100 console war threads we get every day.

You're not discussing video games, you're discussing people who play video games, and you should be killed.

>dead

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goat involves both winning and perception. HBox has a losing record against armada including armada's last year before retiring. Nobody is going to care if he dominates a scene that had all of its top players leave especially when he has a losing record against the other main candidate. The way he plays is also considered a great disservice to the game and always has been which will be held against him. He might rack up the highest stats but he will never be considered goat

You guys the are same retards in this thread shitting on people for playing Ultimate and saying that it's dead.

See :

>linking me shitposts he wrote means anything
I recommend you play Melee

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I have always liked Smash as a go to party game but there is always the people that just take it to seriously. My brother is a good example; he is extremely try-hard. He will send me lengthy essay formatted text messages about Smash strats and news. He will constantly brag about people he beats online and it just gets annoying. I don't like playing with him because he is so "in it to win it" that it just gets awkward.

Ban discussion of anything related to videogames

Yea Forums already does this.

i don't. can you?

>he didn't have a brother that became his training partner when you both learned about tournaments for the first time
just tell him you're a casual and you don't care then. It's not that competitive players care too much, they just play the game a different way than you do. A way that leads them to other like-minded competitors eventually. Quit whining, if there was ever a game that afforded you access to large amounts of casuals and competitive players alike, it's Smash.

You can reverse it by tapping the opposite direction before pressing B. You can do this with every special.
It's how Falco/Fox can do retreating lasers. It's a bit tricky at first, but becomes second nature.

I understand what you are saying but I win against him 75% of the time. I'm mainly play G&W/Shulk and he Wario/Ganon. I'm only saying it sucks because I don't have his mentality, I don't have the time or energy to play this game competitively. I say tell him that maybe he should look into local tournaments and such since he seems so invested, but he just dodges the suggestion and ignores it.

oh thats actually cool. melee forever

Maybe because
>smash is dead
Nintendies can’t even accept it lmao cope