Can we all agree that the storytelling in FF7 was amazing?

> It's another WRPG Kun thread
Fucking kill yourself, or get a Trip so we can filter you

>absent for the entire game
>hero is a fake

I actually like these.

It's actually pretty bad.Take Cloud's character: it's impossible to relate to him in any way, because his entire personality revolves around a shitty M Night Shyamalan-esque plot twist.

For starters, before the twist is revealed, Cloud doesn't show any indication he is suffering (aside from some vague hints that the story glosses over), so the end result is that he goes from being a taciturn hero who has internalized someone else's memories as his own without realizing it to...a taciturn hero who outwardly appears the same, but apparently has resolved all those deep-seated issues, no really, believe me.

Furthermore, what is even the point of the whole Nibelheim incident? Cloud goes from being a heroic person (which he clearly is, judging by the flashbacks where he rescues Tifa twice and defeats Sephiroth) who failed to qualify for the elite squad of the evil cyberpunk regime (i.e. not a group you'd want to join) to assuming the memories of...Zack, another heroic person who did qualify for the elite squad of the evil cyberpunk regime. As far as catalysts for mental breakdowns go, this comes across as very pedestrian in the grand scheme of things. It's like the writers wanted to have a plot twist and an identity crisis, but couldn't think of any compelling material for such a storyline.

Another big issue that FVII suffers from is the dialogue. Everyone in FVII communicates in very basic English sentences. Despite being a group of misfits, some of which aren't even human, all of the characters have very nondistinct and same-y styles of speech. Since there's also a weird lack of voice acting (not even grunting noises for taking damage), characters don't feel like particularly distinct individuals.

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>Example: Cloud secretly having Pre-Emptive materia in his inventory during the Flashback scene in Nibelheim. Which explains why he was able to defeat Sephiroth. Little details like this are what made the story great

Doesn't really explain it since Zack had it equipped and he just got launched out of the Jenova room.

No it was a mishmash of ideas that kept going. It's like they just made it up as they went along.

This game and MGS taught me that japs are homosexuals

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA fuck no. Video games have NEVER had amazing storytelling.

Fire Emblem is older than Fallout...

Literally only applies to the first sentence you dirty weebnigger.

Go back, if you don't like JP things then go back to Resetera. This is a anime website & always will prefer Japanese franchises over Western garbage

That's Zack's Materia, Zack got his ass kicked. Cloud "won" through letting himself get impaled and exploiting leverage against a person that was both not in the right mental state, and still weighed about as much as another person. And he was fucking pissed.

>Fire Emblem is older than Fallout...
What does Fire Emblem have to do with Fallout? What, because they share permadeath, a feature that has existed in wrpgs since before the jrpg even came into EXISTENCE?

t. buttblasted weeb

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>Cloud doesn't show any indication he is suffering
The screen going red with a high pitched noise right before he plants a bomb on the first Mako Reactor and hearing a voice say something as he tuned out Barret is "not suffering"?

The materia was on the buster sword, which Cloud picked up when he charged at Sephiroth

Nice copypasta blog post, faggot

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I know, just saying it didn't work for Zack.

>I've never played FE
Deaths in FE are in fact a result of your gameplay choices. Still not seeing how this is something that the west either created or specialized in.

Why does every single JRPG thread devolve into Incels circlejerking Western RPGs while indiscriminately hating on JRPGs simply for being popular?

Cloud clearly has some PTSD from watching his buddy get peppered by 5.56 magic.

Is this your first year in Yea Forums?

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lol you did not understand the post you replied to mate. Not him, but he is saying that he posted that image for what it says about final fantasy 7, the east vs west generalization is not relevant to the thread.

Zack stood there talking to Sephiroth before he actually attacked though. Of course the materia's not gonna do shit in that situation

Jealousy, same reason why every Nintendo threads ends up turning into Sonygros seething & starting console war with buzzwords as their only arguments

The worst part of the story IMO was how fast / extreme Sephiroth's turnaround was. He clearly wasn't the same as those mako monsters in the reactor, and reading ShinRa books for a few nights shouldn't have made him go ape shit on a whole village, especially since he wasn't even understanding the situation properly.

It's a shonen game, bro. You want realistic depictions of PTSD and trauma?

What does FFVII have to do with Fallout? You are comparing two games making a claim that permadeath is a superior western design choice when in fact it has nothing to do with west or east and I mentioned FE because it is an older game that has permadeath as a main feature. I'm not some faggot that pretends a feature is only for JRPGs while having plenty of examples in WRPG's, so I'm just wondering why you are pretending that permadeath is a WRPG concept that doesn't exist in JRPGs.

I think you are the one with an issue understanding something here... Why would you have a picture saying what it says unless you actually believe it or just find it retarded? He is using it for a defense so he obviously believes in what the picture says in its entirety, which is what I'm attacking here.

>b-b-but the OP's post
Doesn't matter. If I want to insult a picture in this thread, it doesn't have to have anything to do with OP. This is the type of idiocy you are trying to defend.

No just something more extreme to his mental break worth it. Reading shinra books incorrectly shouldn't cut it.

I know I'm gonna get swarmed by reddit has a good thread on this. Look up "Why does Sephiroth flip so suddenly?"

The storytelling was okay, but the characters are what really made it so great.

Did Sephiroth ever find out the "truth" about himself / Jenova? When he flips out at first, he's kind of wrong about everything. Assuming he and Jenova are both ancients for example.

Does he ever find out what Jenova was and what he actually was? In retrospect it would make all of his actions extremely retarded but maybe he just didn't care.

He did. He absorbed the planet's knowledge while he was swimming around in the Lifestream and he learned the truth about Jenova. All it did was inflate his ego even more, since in his mind, he went from being a descendant of the rightful rulers of the planet, to being a descendant of something even greater than them.

What a nerd. He's nothing more than a baby with jenova serum sprayed on the placenta.

Sephiroth has always been an insufferable snowflake faggot. Learning about Jenova just made his superiority complex worse

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I remember playing this as a child and desperately trying to stay awake and get as many video gaming hours in as possible, simply to advance the story.

Played it again as an adult, and it had the same effect on me. My only beef is the occasional translation weirdness.

He seemed chill enough before the basement

>sephiroth casts life 2 on young cloud to show he cares

deep lore

>He seemed chill enough before the basement

Based on a memory when Cloud was fanboying over him.

If you're playing on PC the rebirth mod adds proper translations and various other fixes. Doesn't help the story being an absolute bore though.
FF9 story>7

Do you have anything else to base it on?

Wasn't it just less coherent FF6?

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Crisis Core

Even if you take Crisis Core into effect, Sephiroth was a pretty chill guy. Aloof, kind of a jerk, but a hero for a reason even if mostly by branding by the real bad guys. The whole "stumbling across the Makonoids that shake up your belief in your employer, and then accidentally mislearning that you're a lab experiment meant to be the ultimate soldier" thing fucked him up on top of not sleeping for like a week straight, and adding CC into the mix, both of his best friends went traitor with one holding a personal grudge against him for arbitrary reasons neither of them had any control over.

Sephiroth was a decent person but got the worst of karma for arbitrary reasons and accidents, and when he snapped he genuinely considered it to be pure fortune.

Come, now

*Reunion mod

In an alternate timeline, Sephiroth understood the experiments that were undertaken by ShinRa, and worked to destroy them rather than the planet. He became the hero of Avalanche and he mentors the group as an older, Punished Snake-like figure.

SQUARE HIRE THIS MAN

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That's if he became Jesus instead of the Antichrist.

Not only the best game ever made, but the best game it is possible to make.

Not understanding anything, would Zack and Cloud react negatively? They're loyal(ish) to Shinra and propaganda would probably paint Sephiroth as some terrorist.

Maybe he would have attained the FF equivalent of Buddhahood if Cloud hadn't killed him

We all saw what happened when Zack tried to face off with Sephiroth.

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they wouldn't necessarily fight him head on, but they would remain loyal to Shinra instead of joining him, and at some point you realize the person you've been fighting is on the "right side"

Becomes a bit cliche but would be cool to see a bearded and righteous Sephiroth.

Storytelling is good, it's all made better with the music. FF7 is the best in the series when it comes to setting tones and atmospheres

Fuck no, that was the worst part of the game. About the only kind thing you can say about 7 that isn't derived from PSOne-era newfaggotry nostalgia is that it isn't the worst one in the series anymore now that 13 and 15 exist.

Cloud would almost definitely go with Sephiroth. He was Cloud's idol after all. Zack is harder to say, since he's got a good life and has no reason to turn on Shinra. Maybe if it was a real game, Zack would be your first major boss. From there you go around the world dismantling Shinra's operation and recruiting the other Avalanche members on the way. Shinra brings out bigger and bigger guns to try and stop you until eventually their bullshit wakes up the Weapons, and for the final boss after you take them down, Jenova busts out of her tank and you have to overcome your genetic programming to finish her off for good, back at Nibelheim where everything started.

Also Vincent/Chaos down in the basement could be the secret boss

I see what you mean. The outcome of the battle (at Nibelheim) would probably be the same, though. That is, Seph would sperg out against ShinRa and end up wiping the floor with SOLDIER.

Learning that Sephiroth is on the same side all along way later would be a cool reveal, though.