Zoomers have ruined Smash

S T I N K Y D A Y

Krystalfags took her deconfirnation well though

Kek

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No they didn't retard. Did you forget the Sm4sh days? They were autistic as fuck

How old is too old, OP?

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I have not seen posts as low-quality as this in some time.

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meleefags are mostly boomers and they're just as bad as rosterfags, if not worse.
the things that actually ruined smash discussion were the cancers of the ballot, "leak culture," and slow-drip dlc reveals that smash 4 introduced. these factors all made it so that the fucking roster dominates 99.9% of smash discussion for multiple YEARS at a time. it encouraged people to beg for literal-who characters, try to speak it into existence with fake "leaks," and then start screeching that sakurai's a "hack" when he doesn't cater to their every whim.

Ultimate retard, Smash 4 is old news now

Krystalfags are still cancer autists.

>discord and Twitter bad meme
Right guyz? We're such much better with our Yea Forums and teamspeak.

Whats that? Someone mentioned IRC? Ew, that person must be old and gross. No one uses IRC anymore.

everything you complain about with ultimate discussion really started with smash 4, though.
smash 4's ballot is the reason why rosterfagging is as bad as it is today.
smash 4 introduced dlc fighters, which extended the rosterfagging for longer than it used to go on.
smash 4's esrb leak, gematsu "leak," and rayman "leak" spawned the autism of the grinch shit and the 2chan/reddit shit.

This. Social media exacerbated it. Now every decision that doesn't line up with MUH BALLOT is met with scorn, and people bandwagon bland characters like Bandanna Waddle Dee that no one with a brain would want in Smash solely because they want to be hip with the cool kids.

Same goes for fake leaks that get spread around to normalfag sites like Reddit or Youtube that get people obsessing about characters that nobody cared about or had on their radar until some random shitposter name dropped them.

>Now every decision that doesn't line up with MUH BALLOT is met with scorn
which is retarded, since nintendo has never released the actual results of the ballot. rosterfags literally just assume that all their favorite characters got the most votes and sakurai "hates the fans" by not putting them in.

>"I was eating my frosted flakes this morning before school when some milk spilled onto my bib. My day became much worse compared to yesterday , sure there were some obnoxious people who bullied me at school, but it was nowhere near as bad as today. But then I figured it out, Zoomers are the ones who have ruined my day"
Uh... was that really necessary information to share OP?

>rosterfags literally just assume that all their favorite characters got the most votes and sakurai "hates the fans" by not putting them in.

Which is doubly retarded, because most Smashfags are mouthbreathers and don't know/understand what they actually want. Thank God Smash has a based gatekeeper like Sakurai who doesn't pander to delusional fanboys.

people who complain about boomers/zoomers/whatever are worse than said groups

Smash fans have always been the tiniest of children and the eldest of autists

Zoomers didn't ruin Smash. It's always been this bad

the funniest part is that sakurai has indicated that the ballot was dominated by former smash characters who had been cut from brawl or 4. that just proves that hardcore rosterfags are a tiny minority and most fans are satisfied with the characters that sakurai picks.

Man I hate those zoomers
Those boomzoom zoomers
Boomerzoomerdoomyoomers
Boomzoomdoomyoomtoompoomsoomwoomroomtoomgoom
Boomyzoomypoomyjoomyvoomyxoomycoomyqoomy

Geno was highly requested back in the melee days tho...

>implying this wouldnt have been the case no matter what

People just hate losing characters. Nobody wouldve thought "where the hell is Pichu?????" If he was never in. Same with other shitt picks like Palutena.

Smash Bros. has always been full of onions. I play the game but you can't tell me the nerds that take the game seriously aren't virgins.

This. Anyone who thinks Sakurai should step down for reasons other than his own health is delusional.
I’d almost argue it proves the opposite, that too much of the smash fan base is too autistic to let go of characters like Pichu and Young Link, requesting them for the ballot instead of for new characters, and complaining when their characters don’t play exactly the same btw each game.

I’m glad these characters all get one last hurrah, but I look forward to getting a clean roster next time

you can't ruin garbage

Ecelebs and hype culture killed Smash, not general zoomers

>This. Anyone who thinks Sakurai should step down for reasons other than his own health is delusional.

He should step down because the series has gotten pretty static.

Why do Americans like stupid generation labels so much?
You can be both dumb or wise whatever generation you belong to.
People are more different because of the individuality, not of the generation.

And I would say an 18 old "zoomer" kid and his 38 year old gen-Xer parents don't see as much as generation gap in each other as their previous generations did.

Id agree that he does hold on too much to the characters as they are, for legacy purposes, but I think that he’ll be a producer the next entry and they’ll take a reasonable departure or reset of what the series offers

Ecelebs and streamer culture’s primary demographic is zoomers

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>Smash then
>yaaaaay it's like Mario Kart but with punching!
>I've never heard of X before, I wonder what their games are like?
>Smash now
>I want to be hardcore like the ecelebs on YouTube!
>who the fuck is X? Y deserves to get in instead!

How does hype culture ruin smash?

It’s one reason the Ballot was dangerous. I’m glad they’ll never release the results

is this the banjocuck thread?
90% of banjo and kazooue fanboys are emulatorfags that got into banjo kazooie due to jontron

keep pretending youre even a boomer because you played an old game once

Its this way because bias picks like Palutena and Dark Pit get in scot free yet we have to get for 10 years to get characters people actually want like K Rool and Ridley.

Banjo Kazooie blows though

>i was thinking lately

stopped reading here

>I only play the pretty girl characters because they are all my waifus xd
>haha i want to fuck isabelle, aren't I so wacky and zainy tee hee
Their culture is fucking retarded.

Palutena was picked because her moveset utilized the Custom moves system from 4 well. Sakurai said he was unaware how popular K Rool was until the Ballot. He had acknowledged years ago that they attempted Ridley but didn’t find a way to implement him that worked right; it was only after endless insistence that he gave it another go and resigned about the size issue

Also, not every addition has to be a fan request.

>it became much much worse compared to the fanbase during the Melee and Brawl days
Just no, even more so when you say Melee

neither boomers nor zoomers ruined smash
it's faggots from both groups going at each other's throats that ruined it

people like shit that you don't like, get the fuck over it and stop behaving like manchildren. people can want steve without being shitposting zoomers, people can want banjo/geno/takamaru/isaac/other boomer shit even if they're zoomers, people can want erdrick without being bandwagoning virgins, and people can just as equally dislike those characters

fucking deal with it, we're getting what we're getting and that's that, love instead of hate you actual cunts. smash is a great and exciting series and i hate how the fan base has become a massive cesspool.

STOP COACHING

Not zoomers, but Twitter and Facebook smashfags. Otherwise you're right on.

You have to go back.

>Have played Peach since Melee
>All of these memers playing girls becuase waifu's or shit now making me look bad
At least I can ruin someones day online now.

>Palutena was picked because her moveset utilized the Custom moves system from 4 well

Her custom moves is all stuff done by Pit and by this logic any game with an upgrade/custimization system can do the exact same thing.

Look at all the stuff uprising got in smash 4, is anyone really crazy if they think it has to do with it having the same director rather than a huge series of coincidences?

Nice reddit meme.

Basically this. Instead of bitching about Incineroar, maybe give him a shot because his moveset concept is really fun. People can’t get over the fact that it’s this “character”, but would have no issue if it were the Rhythm Heaven wrestler doing the exact same shit

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You have to go forward.

But Smash is premium Zoomer nostalgia. The game literally grew up around them.

Smash ruined itself by having bumbling devs that can't into game design

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>People are pretending the fanbase wasn't autistic before even saying how great the Melee fanbase is
What the fuck are you on?

>people wouldve been more accepting of a character if they were a good pick

Woooow

"i dont like it so its ruined"

Everything is made a big a deal of when it's not, and also people riding on false rumors as if it's actually happening.

It's because the actual smash fanbase is the people that make content and organise events, but because they spend so much time on Yea Forums they think the fanbase does nothing but discuss the roster and namefag all day
lurk for another year before posting

I don't get why people shit on Palutena so much. She's the second most important character in her franchise, a legacy IP that been around since the NES, which had a high profile reboot where she played a pretty major and memorable role right before it was time to start picking characters for Smash 4. She also has a pretty interesting and unique moveset and playstyle that isn't really reflected in any other existing Smash character, even if the custom movesets thing was lost in the translation when it came time for ultimate.

Palutena is a legacy character who was extremely relevant at the time and brought some interesting new stuff the the table. Her inclusion makes sense, and ended up being justified in the long run. Anti-Palutenafags come across as just bitter that she got in over their pick of choice, and also apparently have never played a KI game in their lives if they think she should hit the chopping block over characters like Lucina, Chrom, Corrin, etc. etc.

And that's the other thing. Nothing worse than people who deliberately lewd Isabelle despite saying "Ravioli Ravioli Don't Lewd the Puppy Loli." This is Dragon Maid all over again but with bigger autists.

Try not being a total piece of shit, and I might have a real conversation with you, if you're lucky.

>One completely new character
>one extremely simple clone
>two new stages (one of which is good)
I don’t really see a problem, and I’ve never played KI:U or the characters in Smash. It was a game that came out between Brawl and 4 and rebooted an old franchise, and Sakurai wouldn’t have to mediate with its creators for the smash content’s presentation.

You’re basically just what this guy is point out

>"Ravioli Ravioli Don't Lewd the Puppy Loli."
I have never fucking heard this before, did you come up with that becuase you might be autistic if you did.

Isn't Isabelle a cake that's one bad day away from a midlife crisis?

It was always autistic, but it never was a mainstream concept like it is now. Just look at your ebin Facebook meme group that's full of ironic Smash memes, ask yourself if it's helping the fanbase's progression.

She is 100% not a loli, I don't know what that guy is smoking

The only people who shit on KI reps are people who haven't played the games
The devs are ignorant and ultimate is missing shit that any other fighting game would have in beta stage. Nintendo's a soulless AAA company who put on a face as if they care of the fans but really just want to milk as much money as possible. I bought a switch just for smash and this is my experience. As if you wanted a discussion by replying to me with nothing of substance.

t. "Ironically" attracted to Isabelle

I mean I understand were that guy is coming from when you just be passive aggressive and just say "me no like becuase it doesn't have the things!!!" with out saying what you don't like.

oh fuck, i didnt know all that, now i just feel bad for you man

Honestly better to be on Plebbit than Twitter or Discord at this point. The latter two are far more reprehensible on the normalfaggotry scale.

No, that saying just just sounds fucking retarded and she is like 30 or some shit in game I think and it just makes you seem autistic trying to protect a 2d doggirl thing from lewds.

I hate Incineroar because the only people who like him are furry barafags.
No one likes Incineroar for legitimate reasons, they just like him because they're degenerates

Can confirm. I like Inciniroar for exactly those reasons.

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I will never understand how people can think a character can not be liked outside of porn. I know my friend loves playing him just becuase he loves wrestling

You mean you don't think ironic weeb retards don't play smash, the types of people who just lewd people for the sake of lewding and hypocritically telling others not to? Just how new are you? These people are all over the Internet now.

>I’d almost argue it proves the opposite
how so? do you really think rosterfags would ever ask for characters like pichu and young link under any circumstances?
if it isn't BANJOOOOOO, GENOOOOOO, ISAAAAAC, or any other character that reddit is circlejerking this week, they're not interested.

If so many supposedly "normal" people like Incineroar, why do people on Yea Forums only post fetish art of him?

No, I am just saying what you just said "Ravioli Ravioli Don't Lewd the Puppy Loli." that I have never fucking seen before anywhere that just came up with was retarded and autistic, but you are now trying to deflect on to something else.

>I will never understand how people can think a character can not be liked outside of porn
Isn't that exactly what you guys say about Ashley though?

>If so many supposedly "normal" people like Incineroar, why do people on Yea Forums only post fetish art of him?
>why do people on Yea Forums only post fetish art of him?
Are you for real?

Your friend is probably a closet barafag.

There's got to be one Twitter group chat or Discord channel that has had some retard who said this.

The people that pretend project m doesn't exist ruined smash.

If Ultimate was just PM with more characters/stages/etc and new mechanics, everyone would love it.

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You're saying there's normal people who like Incineroar (there aren't, but for the sake of argument we'll just go with it)
If that's the case, then why is 100% of his fanart gay fetish shit?

>two new stages(when most series get 1)
>two newcomers(the absolute most any series got before dlc)
>Palutena's Guidance
>Shitload of assist trophies/items
>Palutena having unique custom moves
>Pits moves being changed to be more accurate to Uprising but god forbid Ganon stops being a falcon clone
>One of the three series to have character specific win quotes
>Absurd amount of smash run enemies
>Pit/Dark Pit having a custom hammer animation, despite it coming from Donkey Kong

But yeah haha there's NO BIAS at all here whatsoever haha it's also a huge coincidence that only Sakurai Kirby games get any content too haha

palutena is a pretty important character in her series, especially considering that the whole franchise is named after her in japan.
as for dark pit, why do rosterfags seethe over him but then get angry that shadow - the furfag equivalent of dark pit - isn't in as a sonic echo?
both of them got in because sakurai had recently made a new kid icarus game himself. anyone who's paid attention to kirby's representation in smash knows that he's going to promote his own games as much as he can. that's just the way it is.

Trash was never good; Play a real fighting game.

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someone please tell him

I feel like your internet connectivity and nintendo ruined smash.
I liked the memes fuck you.

Tell me what?

>palutena is a pretty important character in her series, especially considering that the whole franchise is named after her in japan.

She's a supporting character in a game that wouldn't have ever gotten more than a single character or stage if Sakurai didn't direct it. The fact that she appears for 5 seconds at the end of a nes and gb game doesn't change that.

>as for dark pit, why do rosterfags seethe over him but then get angry that shadow - the furfag equivalent of dark pit - isn't in as a sonic echo?

"what's the difference between a popular character from a popular series than this OC donut steel from a game that barely anyone has played?????"

>both of them got in because sakurai had recently made a new kid icarus game himself. anyone who's paid attention to kirby's representation in smash knows that he's going to promote his own games as much as he can. that's just the way it is.

So you admit that your previous points are complete bullshit and that it's bias, right?

>literally defending reddit
Get off my site you newfag!!

It's not just Yea Forums. Smashboards, twitter, reddit, take your pick. The only people who like him are furry barafags AKA DeviantArt-tier autismos

>my friend loves playing him just becuase he loves wrestling
Yeah your friend is in the closet bud.

>Shadow is popular
Actually embarrassing. Why are Sonicfags allowed to exist past 2006?

first of all, why are you browsing sites where furry fetish art is posted if you're not a furfag yourself?
second of all, how are you still surprised by the fact that pokemon, a series built around cartoon animals, attracts furries?

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>defending Shitter/Pisscord
You're the cancer that needs to lurk another year before posting.

Factually incorrect.
>Fire Emblem also got two new stages in Wii U.
>Fire Emblem also go got the same amount of newcomers in the WII U AND two DLC fighters.
>Palutena's Guidance makes as much sense as the Star Fox and MGS bonus dialog on their respecitve stages, if you've actually played KIU
>Many characters have gotten overhauls over the years, and even Ganon finally got on even if it took until Ultimate to happen.
>The Smash Run enemies are only there because it was an easy asset flip, it has nothing to do with the KI brand getting special treatment.

The only biased on here is you.

Also, many of those same points about FE could be thrown at Pokemon too. The only difference is people openly accept that Pokemon gets special treatment.

>why are you browsing sites where furry fetish art is posted if you're not a furfag yourself?
Being a furfag is not a requirement to browse Yea Forums. In fact, furry art is against the rules, it's only allowed on Yea Forums.

Having a function that can be done by human characters is a waste from a series with animal/beast like creatures. Inceniroar wasn't even close to being the most popular pokemon of it's gen

You're just proving him right. The only people who like Shitcat are furry barafag subhumans.

Honestly this. I've been saying it since the ballot existed. All it did was make dumb rosterfags think their meme, tertiary and dead characters will get in because they voted. I honestly hope Nintendo and Sakurai just do whatever they want. Better than listening to ungrateful screeching autists that will literally never be pleased.

>Meleefags
>Ballotfags (yes, Bayonetta wasn't actually chosen due to the Ballot, let it go already)
>Sony slotbeggers
>indie slotbeggers
>waifu slotbeggers
>childhood nostalgia slotbeggers
>"le epic salt xd" obsessed NPCs who live for deconfirmations and shitty fighters/reveals
These are the cancer that have made Smash unbearable.

>it's only allowed on Yea Forums.
That's only the case for loli/shota, furshit on the other hand is also allowed on /trash/

honestly, kid icarus' representation is a lot LESS biased than how he treats kirby.
kid icarus has the two obvious recurring characters and an easy-to-make echo that didn't take anyone's "slot."
in contrast, kirby has a lot more material to go on and there's plenty of characters/games sakurai didn't make that are popular with the fans, but he ignores all of it to stroke his own ego. that and zelda's shambolic representation are my only complaints with how he handles smash.

Either way, furry is not allowed on Yea Forums.

Forgetting
>ironic smash fans (yes they exist, check Twitter)

>meleefags and 6 flavors of rosterfags
Its extremely telling what the problem is.

>>Fire Emblem also got two new stages in Wii U.
>>Fire Emblem also go got the same amount of newcomers in the WII U AND two DLC fighters.

Sakurai is also biased towards FE, and I said before DLC.

>>Palutena's Guidance makes as much sense as the Star Fox and MGS bonus dialog on their respecitve stages, if you've actually played KIU

This could be done for many series, it only got done for Uprising because it's Sakurai's game.

>>Many characters have gotten overhauls over the years, and even Ganon finally got on even if it took until Ultimate to happen

The fact that so many liberties were taken with characters but the second Sakurai directs a game that character MUST be accurate to the source material is telling. Also >counting a change from an older character that didn't get addressed until the next game.

>>The Smash Run enemies are only there because it was an easy asset flip, it has nothing to do with the KI brand getting special treatment.

If this was the ONLY special treatment Uprising got(notice that I'm saying Uprising and not kid icarus in general) then I'd believe it but there's way too many coincidences to shrug off.

>Also, many of those same points about FE could be thrown at Pokemon too.

FE has biased treatment as well. Pokemon deserves all the stuff it gets because it actually earned it.

Think about how in Smash 4 Zelda, Donkey Kong and Metroid combined got less stuff overall than Uprising.

i browse Yea Forums every day and pretty much never see furfag fetish art of incineroar anywhere.
with that in mind, i can only assume that you're going to furfag fetish fanart sites and getting mad every time you see incineroar. you wouldn't be the only one. there are plenty of owlfags on /vp/ who cite furry porn statistics that only furfags would know to try to prove that incinechads are "the real furries."

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$10 you were the obnoxious underage when melee came out.

>i browse Yea Forums every day and pretty much never see furfag fetish art of incineroar anywhere
doubt.jpg

>i browse Yea Forums every day and pretty much never see furfag fetish art of incineroar
The mods always delete their threads quickly because it breaks global rule 3, thank God. But they do exist.

If anyone ruined Smash Bros, its the obnoxious leakers out there who swear up and down that their so called "source" said Steve from Minecraft is totally in the game...somehow and then proceed to double down on their bullshit or backtrack as time goes on and their claims get debunked. *cough* Vergeben *cough*.

I for one am going to laugh in the next Direct when Erdrick ISN'T revealed to be the next DLC fighter for Ultimate after Joker.

There is nothing appealing about Incineroar if you aren't a furry barafag.

Pretty wierd how the King of Fighters was the same as Smash setting wise with all the franchises from a company getting together to fight.

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>and an easy-to-make echo that didn't take anyone's "slot."

This is literally the only argument you guys have to defend Dark Pit. If echoes were thought of before Dark Pit was a thing he wouldn't even be in the top 50 requested characters to be an echo. There are tons of better choices but nope, let's add even more content from Uprising because apparently there wasn't enough in 4! Protagonist of the third pikmin game that sold around as well as Uprising? Fuck that. My OC donut steel that I came up with in 3 seconds, better include him!

>i-it's conveniently deleted immediately, but it happens all the time, i swear!
sure thing.
cope with the fact that incineroar is popular with the general public, not just furries, while fursonas like shadow and banjo are not.

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>incineroar is popular with the general public, not just furries
Prove it.

>cope with the fact that incineroar is popular with the general public

He wasn't even the most popular Pokemon of his own gen.

fpbp
Kys OP, you giant faggot.

Don't even put Zelda in there. Zelda is second to Mario in terms of amount of content in Smash period. Zelda got 3 new stages in Smash 4. DK and Metroid got 1 each. In Ultimate, Zelda is one of 2 existing series that got a new stage. Not even fucking Pokemon got a new stage. Also Zelda has every past stage in the game. The only others are smaller series and Kirby.

Banjo is liked because people played his game as kids.
Incineroar is liked because gay furries want to take his knot

keep in mind that pic related was from *before* he got into smash.

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Soft
Fluffy
Muscular
Huggable
Barbed cock
Warm
Purrs
Likes to wrestle

People call me a pedo for maining Inkling, so I will return the hate and call Incineroar fags furries

>Zelda newcomers
Zelda would get a newcomer if it would commit to having more reoccurring characters that aren't Link,Zelda and Ganon.

Zelda having one (1) more new stage than Uprising still means it had less content added than it.

He's not even in the top 10
>gay furfags want to rub their barabait
Wow shocker!
Also is proving me right

Zelda would get twenty newcomers the second Sakurai got to direct a new one.

People look at the raw number of fighters, stages, or items that Kirby and Zelda get and think there's no problem. But anyone actually in those fanbases (or even anyone who just takes the short time to do basic research) can see that there's real problems.

As you pointed out, it's disgustingly biased how Kirby content has almost wholesale ignored games made after Super Star (you know there's a problem when even content from fucking Kirby 64 would be a breath of fresh air at this point). And Zelda is just absurdly represented for what a tentpole franchise it is for Nintendo. How long have people been SCREAMING for any sort of non-Triforce fighter and/or a fighter that isn't a clone? How long have people BEGGED for Ganon/Dorf to finally get anything more from the actual Zelda games than his Sparta Kick forward tilt from TP and stop clinging onto a futuristic bounty hunter's moveset as a basis for his own?

Any of you shitlickers who regurgitate that whole arbitrary MUH RECURRING CHARACTERS ONLY fan rule can go right the fuck ahead and end yourselves. You all constantly defend One-Off Emblem's lineup in comparison since it's "by necessity of the series' nature", mistakingly implying that Zelda is therefore just like Mario and only ever occupied heavily by the same cast of characters when this is rarely the case beyond a handful of recurring entities and many of the enemies (this mentality is at least good for exposing detractors as clueless posers who don't play much or any Zelda).

Zoomers are the reason Ridley, Simon, Richter and whoever else won the ballot got in. Zoomers are the reason Smash is growing in popularity. Seethe harder.

>bland characters like Bandanna Waddle Dee
t. never played Kirby games

>He's not even in the top 10
again, this is pre-smash. and the fact that he's ranked means he's popular.
>gay furfags want to rub their barabait
but enough about machoke.
>and i just samefagged with a false-flag post to "prove" myself right!
cool story.

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>s-samefag
Yikes

He's more bland than literally any other character. Especially in Star Allies.

Even the trannyseal is more popular than Incelroar, lel.

primarina is also popular. you do realize that more than one pokemon can be popular, right? it's not a zero-sum game.

>posting art drawn by a furry barafag in an attempt to prove Incineroar is liked by people other than furry barafags
OOF

Why would you use kek instead of lol? Think about it. It doesn't mean anything, its just the modification of the actual acronym lol. You don't even know why you use it. Somewhere, sometime you saw a few people post it and hopped right on board. Too mainstream for lol right? Thats so old, its meaning makes sense but you don’t feel comfortable expressing your approval of things on the internet with the common old "lol" thats been around for so long. You'll man up and use the purposely misspelled version with no discernible humor or purpose besides making you look like a complete idiot while you maintain the false concept that other people find it amusing or appropriate and using purposely misspelled words shows the world that you’re not afraid of anything and are part of some grand inside joke that no one finds funny. Theres a lot going through your head, but you realize that I’m right. You will try though, to get the best of this exchange. What are you going to go for? Newfag? Summer? Oh damn, there are so many options to choose from. An implication that I'm underage perhaps? That’s always fresh. Maybe you'll just shut down. I think you should go with something about “butthurt” or being mad or even comment on the length of the unproportionally long comment that so swiftly brought to your attention that you are a faggot that tries oh so hard to fit in. Careful though, is this even “OC”? Tsk tsk. Hard to say, don’t want to get embarrassed user. I'm sure you could find some grammar or spelling errors as a last resort. I cant wait, Its always fun playing insult roulette. Fucking idiot!

>popularity matters until something is more popular than the cat i want the fuck

Incineroar isn't popular though. He's not even top 10.
I guess furry barafags aren't as wide as you'd like

His design is unfortunately very furry but I love the wrestling concept and persona. He’s been my favorite newcomer to play as

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I like using "lel" myself.

i don't have a clue who made it nor do i care. i guess i'll defer to you since you seem to be an expert on bara furry art.

Literally just reverse search the image and look at the artists gallery. Takes like 2 minutes

I don’t have any of the images saved, but on “who do you want” polls, missing veterans always rank unreasonably high. It’s one of the reasons Sakurai thought “everybody’s here” would be a good idea. So yes, there are a bit insignificant number of people whose ballot vote went to Young Link, Wolf, etc

Richter? Really? The only reason Richter is in is because Simon got some of his moves, so they ended up including both so they'd be clones. Only devoted Castlevania fans know him, not the majority of Smashfans.

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le siiiiips i am le boomer! lel

*not insignificant
Meaning a decent number

/thread

>He's more bland than literally any other character.
He's been given personality through pause descriptions, and has shown personality in Battle Royale, Rainbow Curse, Revenge of the King, and The Apple Juice Song. What more do you want? Are you expecting deep, complex traits in Kirby?

Well you're not doing your argument any favors. Youd be hard-pressed to find an image of Incineroar that ISN'T drawn by a furry barafag, because again, those subhumans are the only ones who like him.

>if normal people
>why do people on Yea Forums
If so many lefties are so "tolerant" then why did Hitler gas 3 million Jews?

do you look at bara furry artists' galleries often? i certainly never have.
i will say it's pretty weird how knowledgeable incineroar's haters all are about the bara furry fanbase.

See

>autists actually believe this

>not the majority of Smash fans
What do you mean! Dude I'm pumped, my BOY Simon made it into Smash like the leaks said! Hah, he even has Sheik's Melee whip! Oh shit, this must be Subspace... Wait, "Richer"? Who is that? I don't know who that is.

Nigga u dumb.

Of all the things to sperg out about, why "kek"?

This is what I meant by delusional fanboys.

If "given personality through pause descriptions" is the best thing your character has going for it, even if YOU like them, they probably arn't a worthwhile addition to Smash.

>i will say it's pretty weird how knowledgeable incineroar's haters all are about the bara furry fanbase.
You can reverse search the image of any Incineroar fanart, it always leads to furry artists pages. It's not some crazy conspiracy like you're implying.
You'll never find art of Incineroar that wasn't drawn by a furry barafag.

dumb zoomer. its so other 'channers know I'm a 'channer too

Everything is gay fetish shit when that's what you search for, faggot.
See

All the shit you’re complaining about was done because it was easy. There’s a lot of shit to put in the game, and it’s going to be relatively easy to call in the readily-available and recently used actors from a series he’s most familiar with, then to take it upon himself to completely re-do Snakes codecs, get those old actors back, negotiate prices, all while confirming content and direction with Konami every step of the way.

It’s painfully obvious you just don’t understand how this works

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>channer
Woah! You're from the scary NSFW part of 4channel! We use Channelers nowadays.

>that's what you search for,
It isn't.

This is a good one

What I find so funny about this fight about incineroar is that this is the same argument they use when the grinch leak happen. The funniest part is that they don't care he got in, they claim they do, but in reality, they only care that people got bfto. They believe that anyone who don't like Incineroar is a grinchfag. That funny because I dislike him due to him being Masuda special boy. Now they are trying to say he got in because he was popular when that is a lie.

Sure thing, faggot.
I sure hope I don't get banned for posting this gay furry fetish art I found at the top of the Google search result.

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>complaining about Alph not being an echo
Christ user, you really do represent the shitty fan base that earlier user called out. I’ll say it again, with how Olimar is represented in Smash, there’s little benefit to splitting Alph away into an echo, which is usually done to give the character the proper personality with different animations and voice clips

>does nothing worthwhile in the main games except given pause description which every playable character has
t. bandwagon dee who only talks about him in Smash threads

>"masuda's special boy"
>didn't even make the list of masuda's top 6 favorites
ign.com/articles/2016/10/19/pokemon-creator-picks-his-6-favourites
what did the haters mean by this?

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Look at the artists actual page, look at what else they draw. Guarantee it's a furfag and that is the only reason they like Incineroar

>lol echoes take no effort
>so can someone else get an echo?
>noooooooooo

4 new colors for both Alph and olimar is literally all it wouldve taken.

>mfw regardless the pick in smash, the pokemon would have been furfag bait either way

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>Masuda wanted to make Let's Go Psyduck
>everyone told him that it was a stupid idea and that Eevee was better
Based

Man it sure is a funny coincidence how all of the easy additions just so happen to be from uprising!

Your suggestion completely misses the point of my post, which is that they make echoes when the distinct animations portray the character properly.

literally any pokemon that isn't MUH GENWUN or MUH BUG TYPE SHITMON would get dismissed as "furbait" at this point.
meanwhile, grinchfags shit up Yea Forums for two weeks because they thought fursuits like shadow and banjo were getting into smash.

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>make new taunt and victory animations for Alph, like every other echo

wow that was hard

Imagine actually caring about this just play the fucking game

It's ironic how the game has a hundred characters or whatever but only quiet literally ten or so are regularly ran into online. It's understandable as wtf would you take time to learn a high skill ceiling character when you can just turn off your brain with Simon

>>does nothing worthwhile in the main games
>helping Kirby take on enemies like Magolor and Void Termina
>giving Kirby items before boss fights
>not worthwhile
Meanwhile in "non-main games"
>being Kirby's partner in Battle Royale
>saving Kirby and Elline from Dark Crafter in Rainbow Curse
>t. bandwagon dee who only talks about him in Smash threads
t. Contrarian who can't make good arguments
>If "given personality through pause descriptions" is the best thing your character has going for it, even if YOU like them, they probably arn't a worthwhile addition to Smash.
>Literally just focuses on the pause descriptions part and ignores everything else
Also, who the fuck are you to determine what can or cannot be used to show a characters personality?

Incineroar is designed specifically to appeal to barafags

Why would you want a character that the game TELLS you has personality instead of a character that, you know, actually HAS personality?

It's ironic how the game has a hundred characters or whatever but only quiet literally ten or so are regularly ran into online. It's understandable as wtf would you take time to learn a high skill ceiling character when you can just turn off your brain with Ness

I'm not a grinchfag, I just really hate Incineroar.

Why do you care about this

>Why would you want a character that the game TELLS you has personality instead of a character that, you know, actually HAS personality?
I'm not sure how this is relevant, when BWD has done both.

>children are the main demographic of a children's game
>OP, no longer a child, is no longer being targeted as the main demographic
color me shocked

youtube.com/watch?v=pb4Vqwq9qkM

I miss the Brawl days

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I wonder why they’re easy?

SEETHING

Yeah adding Palutena and her extra moves sure is easier than a normal character!

If you want anything Kumazaki, Magolor, Susie and Taranza are infinitely more interesting characters.

Again proving that autists can’t accept anything other than absolutes.

I'm talking about Gen 7, /vp/ will tell you the whole story.

Youre right, its all just a huge coincidence how Sakurais game got treated like it was the biggest most popular one of all time in another game he directed!

Not him but it's the same reason why Nomura adds only the FF characters he's involved with to Kingdom Hearts. He doesn't have to waste time discussing, negotiating, with other people and parties. Sakurai reusing enemies from Uprising for Smash Run, is less taxing then having to ask every company, what he's allowed to work with, and how must it be portrayed, and etc. You can call it lazy instead if you want.

Smash is literally a party game for manchildren? Why the fuck are you complaining it’s made for those kids to enjoy.

It’s competitive scene consists of removing all of the games mechanics to turn it into a 1v1 where you hop around the map spamming two buttons. Why do smashers think smash is something so big?

OP is a retard and believes everything they read online to be true.

Well, Waddle Dees are my favorite video game species, so I'm gravitating towards BWD.

>taking it out from the main game's story doesn't impact the overall game at all
>only purpose is to handout items which isn't significant to the plot at all
>it's "personality" is never shown in the main games other than RotK, which was not even the main point and took a major backseat to the king
>intro to Rainbow Curse is his only contribution to the story as he was never the main focus in the overall game and is easily ignored in single player
>Battle Royale gives more characterization to King Dedede and Waddle Dees in general rather than him
>Waddle Dees are the playable characters other than Meta Knight and King Dedede rather than Bandana Dee
>still complain about not making good arguments when it's first post is easily reduced to "you no like my character, you hate series meanie :("
The sad part is that the post reeks of waifufaggotry with the way you defend every little thing against it.

That's fine. But he's still not an interesting character let alone interesting Kirby character.

Dee is based man

seething lol

I mean it would depend on what you mean by interesting. Do you mean deep and complex personality? No character in Kirby has that besides Zan Partizanne and Taranza. Even then, Taranza's personality and role is just grieving over Sectonia and nothing more. At least BWD has a demonstrable (yet, basic) personality: being loyal to his friends, being courageous, seeking to improve himself, being different from other Waddle Dees. But again what do you mean by "interesting"?

Marss go home and cry on the to's dick

>Thank God Smash has a based gatekeeper like Sakurai who doesn't pander to delusional fanboys.
Then explain why the base roster of newcomers have been either meme characters and fucking clones.

Why shouldn’t he? Everything about it is easier to implement on his end.

Only issue is that most of the SNK fighters were way too similar too each other if you don't count Samurai Shodown.

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Yes, I was being sarcastic. I said something similar here

>Why shouldn’t he?

The same reason a coach shouldn't make his son quarterback if he sucks at football

>Everything about it is easier to implement on his end

>its for ease of use! *puts more dev time on Palutena than most characters*

king of fighters was never smash. that's ngbc. though they are trying to make kof more like ngbc now.

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>Sony slotbeggers
what

I'd rather take all the cringey Brawl era shit then what the Smash fandom has become.

FUCK BOOMERS

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*ruins Smash Bros as a whole and makes the fandom much cancerous then MAHVELfags.*

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>bayonetta won the ballot!
>people actually fell for this

At least we got K.Rool from it

You're just proving my point even further.

>Crash/Spyro/Jak and Daxter should get into Smash because of their importance to Playstation and since they should get into a good crossover instead of PSABR
Those leeches.

But in favor of the rest of the newcomers being either meme characters or fucking clones.

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Stay mad dude. These characters are in, if you can’t get over that and find a single character that you truly enjoy playing, you should probably play a different game.

As I said before, I don’t even care for Kid Icarus, but I don’t sperg out over the fact that the creator of Smash thought they’d make for interesting fighters with “it could have been any other of my favorite characters instead!” I don’t even like Incineroar and he’s been my favorite addition, likewise Simon was my favorite reveal but the playstyle doesn’t match my tastes.

Crash and Spyro aren't even fucking Playstation characters from the beginning.

Hey, don't bitch to me. Those are the reasons people give.

From a conceptual standpoint, she did “win” in the sense that she was added as a result of it

This.

boomers are literally upholding capitalism and through this ruining our games

most important boomer characters were added in melee and brawl, theres no boomer characters left to even matter, only new characters are left.

This. I remember the fights people would get in over Tom Nook, of all characters, before Brawl came out.

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Crash was Playstations mascot during the N64 period, despite being owned by another’s party. Culturally he’s tied with Sony

I need something to identify old white evil congressmen who think there are citizens that just don't deserve health care

FUCK BOOMERS

He was never the mascot. He was just the PS1 posterboy. Not too mention if you look at SNOY's fucking actions as of lately. Be fucking lucky Crash was never owned by them.

R-RICHARD?! OH MY GOD!

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>Stay mad dude. These characters are in, if you can’t get over that and find a single character that you truly enjoy playing, you should probably play a different game

I do but that doesnt mean there arent glaring flaws with the roster.

>
As I said before, I don’t even care for Kid Icarus, but I don’t sperg out over the fact that the creator of Smash thought they’d make for interesting fighters with

Lmao both pit and palutena are some of the most basic characters in the game.

> “it could have been any other of my favorite characters instead!”

More like they shouldve actually given another franchise something instead of shoving Uprising in our faces for the 40th time.

unrelated but anyone else having a problem where clicking to expand an image has like a 50/50 chance to open it in a new tab

>DUUUUDE ZOOMERS LMAO LOOK AT THIS FUNNY WOJAK
The thing wrong with the Smash fanbase is mostly people who make Smash out to be way more important than it actually is, usually as backlash to fags who like more generic fighting games saying it's a kid's game/not a fighting game. They're not any better in terms of overstating the importance of their games, but Smashfags are usually more vocal and clingy.

The thing ruining Smash is the thing that ruins any game: Tryhard faggots.

you are all equally autistic

fuck off.

Nook should have got in instead of Isabelle though

The oldest zoomers are 19 moron

Even then, doesn't Cloud fit that bill better? FF7 was the second best selling PS1 game (behind Ridge Racer, which became a bundle game) and was the biggest (at the time) exclusive cudgel Sony had to use against Nintendo. Plus whereas Crash as a franchise pretty much petered out for a while after the early PS2, FF7 as a whole and Cloud specifically continue to be MASSIVE marketing tools. SE and Sony have both exploited the absolute crap out of people's love for FF7 for far longer and more constantly than Crash.

If you want a character in to serve on the grounds of being a "Sony mascot", how does Crash even compete with the acclaim and significance of Cloud, who already made it in?

>Lmao both pit and palutena are some of the most basic characters in the game.
I don't like them but by what metric are they basic at all? Palutena has a counter (which is also a reflect) and a teleport, but those are the only two "generic" things I can think of that she has.

Hey man I was just chiming in about the public perception of him being with Sony. I don’t think he should even really be in the game.

Based on this pic, are you Gen X, Millennial, or Zoomer?

I'm a based Zoomer (born 98).

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>More like they shouldve actually given another franchise something instead of shoving Uprising in our faces for the 40th time.
You just proved his point.

In smash 4 without customs she was arguably the least unique non echo newcomer in the game.

>counter
>reflector
>zeldas up b
>generic normals
>no unique mechanics

Ultimate made her a little better but that doesnt retroactively justify her inclusion in 4.

Early Millenial for sure

How? You guys brush of all the shit uprising got but act lile the whole game would be ruined if any other franchise got even 5% of the love it got.

Fair enough. I just get a bit into it since the most common arguments behind Crash having an "objective" claim to Smash comes off as dodgy as hell to me, and since people have tried saying straight to my face that Crash was more significant and known than Cloud fucking Strife.

Don't get me started on indietards. They're even goddamn stupider and outright entitled.

Yes it’s well known that her default moves were trash, but that her customs offered the most variety out of the characters. The only other one I think comes close is Mega Man

I agree

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>I don’t sperg out over the fact that the creator of Smash thought they’d make for interesting fighters with “it could have been any other of my favorite characters instead!”
Responds with
>they shouldve actually given another franchise something instead of shoving Uprising in our faces for the 40th time.

Thatd be great if anyone cared about customs past the first week of smash 3ds launch. We were left with a generic ass character whos gimmick we couldnt even use. Now we have a somewhat less generic character that still hasnt done anything to justify being in the game.

I mean, she wasn't novel, but I would consider "basic" to be like FE characters where they have basically nothing unique to offer. Even disregarding Palutena's customs (Which were easily the best customs in the game) she had stuff like the up smash or the windbox on her other smashes. I feel like Palutena was a fine addition even without the obnoxious hammering in of Uprising shit. It's not like Smash doesn't include characters who aren't that important.

Play real fighting games cuckie

What exactly does a character have to do to "justify" being in the game? Surely there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to that, like fucking Chrom and Lucina who basically just exist to be upgrades to Marth and Roy.

Not really

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Oops I hit send. To continue, yeah it would be cool to have more franchises show up, but for a multitude of reasons they didn’t, and as I said just deal with it instead of sperging over Sakurai thinking they’d make for an interesting fighter

>the game should be a crossover instead of "sakurai fellates uprising"
>wow stop sperging out

You first then FGCuck

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Yeah customs were garbage, but the game was made around it (unfortunately), and her inclusion was an opportunity to play with the idea. That’s why she’s in, and that’s why she returned for Ult

Imagine if you were the director of smash 4. Ubless if you were a huge Uprising fanboy how would you come to the conclusion that Palutena should be in the game? Uprising wasnt a particularly big hit and there isn't anyone requesting Palutena. Hell, I cant think of a reason of why Palutena would have even crossed anyones mind when selecting newcomers.

>silent "t"
>invisible "d"
Reactionfags/hypeniggers confirmed to have double digit IQs. Maybe it's just irrationally angry autistic paranoia, but for some reason it came across to me as particularly dismissive how these types of faggots couldn't remember Richter's name correctly when they could remember blandos like Corrin just fine.

God bless Richter, the great casual and poser filter. Too bad we won't have another filter to expose reactors and throw them for a loop again if Dragon Quest actually gets a rep (no Echoes for the Pass, remember).

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>Hell, I cant think of a reason of why Palutena would have even crossed anyones mind when selecting newcomers.

Because she was a major character in the last game Sakurai directed up to that point, it's not hard

Because she could have an interesting moveset based on the custom move idea. Same with him picking Piranha plant because he thought it would provide a different character concept

>Yeah customs were garbage, but the game was made around it (unfortunately)

Not really. You couldnt even play them on default online modes and you had to unlock them first.

>forgetting miis exist

And notice how nobody cared when Palutena lost her customs in Ultimate, as if that isnt a reason why people defend her in smash in the first place.

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She was a supporting character of a C-list game.

Almost any character could have her customs gimmick

Yes, the customs were a mediocre idea implemented poorly, we’ve established that. It was one of the key traits of 4 though, despite online not supporting it.

I didn’t forget Miis exist, I just didn’t list them because I was referring to actual characters. I did see complaints that Palutena wouldn’t have her run attack, or celestial fireworks. Sakurai at least was kind enough to merge the reflect and counter

>custom moves
FFS why didn’t they use some of the customs in updating some characters

>palutena is justified because of thise gimmick arbitrarily assigned to her
>no the 4 other characters that have it don't count
>no sakurai directing uprising had nothing to do with it
>fuck rosterfags and their literal whos but palutena is okay!

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What the hell does this have anything to do with the game itself?

Or better yet, DIFFERENTIATING ECHOES EVEN SLIGHTLY. Especially a tragedy that those with the more unique customs went to waste.

I know Echoes are MUH LOW EFFORT, but considering how many assets and animations were reused from Brawl and Smash 4, would it really have been a ton of work to integrate former Customs into Echoes?

you realize most of the characters that came in Ultimate were high up on the ballot, right?

based

To be fair Isaac, Geno or some either highly requested pick did probably score very high on the ballot, Sakurai is infamous for skipping over actual ballot winners and top picks.

This is from the Melee poll back in 99, Sukapon was the most voted character in the "Other" category, yet Sakurai choose Ice Climbers despite being at the bottom.

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fuck boomers and zoomers i hate you all

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top kek

All of you smashfags are cancer incarnate. How the mods haven't banned you all and sent you to /vg/ I'll never know. You're all terrible people and I hope you burn in hell.

>getting this mad over someone liking a character
autism

Steve's not getting in. Lmfao