Now that Smash Ultimate is out for quite some months, what about we rate the newcomers PLAYSTYLES.
I'm not talking about the characters themselves, but how fun they are to play as and/or against and what do they bring in Smash.
Pic related for is me. Ridley is biggest let down. Probably expected way to much when Sakurai always give the Metroid rep the middle finger.
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You seem like a boring person going for the safest,l most conventional shit possitlbe.
tfw i was most excited for k rool but ended up maining ridley and the belmonts anyway
How is Chrom anything but bottom?
>we took away the one unique thing about Roy and gave him Ikes up b
Isabelle and Inkling are my favorites and I thought it’d be K. Rool
>Baracat
>being anywhere near the top
>Incineroar, PP and Ken over Ridley and the Belmonts
>Conventionnal
I'm not sure about this one.
>Tony the tiger this high
>adds big ass space dragon to the game
>he isn't heavy
what were they thinking?
Imagine being this conditioned
>Ridley
>Disappointment
Everyone was expecting him to be shit but he's solid as fuck and fun to use.
I'm talking about the playstyle here, you mongoloid. I don't care about your raging hate boner autism.
I'm glad you like him.
I just find Ridley to have a really weird feeling in general. His multiple jumps and Up-B are really unsatisfying imo. His down B is impracticable and don't mix well with the rest of his kit and his grab don't feels as powerfull as Bowser, Ganon or Incineroar.
Ridleys moveset is amazing. Not talking balance wise, but concept and representation of the character wise. He feels fucking brutal. I love it.
>His multiple jumps and Up-B are really unsatisfying imo.
They're high risk/high reward intended to allow you to chase off stage, but not for free. Up-B is awkward, but from a distance and when placed correctly, deals enough damage and knockback to scare people away. The grab is intended to force these situations at mid-high percentages.
>Most fun
Chrom, King K Rool, Daisy
>Decent
Inkling, Richter/Simon, Ridley
>Boring
Isabelle, Plant, Dark Samus, Ken, Baracat
Sakurai probably thought
>I fucking hate Metroidfags so fucking much
I like the way the Belmonts play. Plant and Incineroar are disappointing, while Daisy and Dark Samus might as well not exist and Isabelle is even more boring than Villager once the novelty of fishing hook ledge traps wears off.
Rest are good though.
Incineroar is very fun to play as, though I wish he was slightly faster since every fucking character in the game can camp him so easily.
Why didn't she get in?
>Dark Samus
>Good
>Literally just a reskin of regular Samus with the most inconsequential differences
Dark Samus just convinced me that echos are the most worthless addition to this game, and I'd take one semi-clone over every echo we got.
The Yea Forums part of me loves incineroar’s moveset
>Ridley
Kill yourself
>Plant and Incineroar are disappointing
Are they disappointing because you don't like their playstyle/archetype or because you were expecting something else from them ? i'm genuinely curious because i think, they're depictions in Smash is pretty much perfect from what they are in their respective games.
I have wanted Ridley for at least a decade and I main him, I love his kit. My only real issues with it are his up-b being utterly bizarre instead of just omnidirectional and his dair being utter shit with a hitbox vastly smaller than fucking Yoshi's for some reason. Other than that I love him and have rocked elite smash with him just fine, maybe he could be a touch heavier or have his down b break shields or something.
Warioware has always been considered one of the smaller continuing franchises Nintendo has. It's extremely unlikely it'll get another rep and even then she'd be competing with Mike, Mona and the Volt Family.
Geno unironically has a better shot then her since he has the nostalgia/obscure factor that Sakurai loves so much. And Geno has no shot.
Baracat Is mostly a Yea Forums wet dream
Not much into wrestling, but when I studied the moveset and the ispiration of them it's a fucking awesome
Also the way it was received strangely mimicks how Inceneroar's archetype in wrestling is seen
>Isabelle is a semi-clone
>Dark Samus is an echo
Seriously should have been the other way around.
WHIRRR
That's sort of the point. They exist as just fan service put in the last minute because they take no time.
Sakurai has said that they could make around 7 echo fighters in the same length it takes to make one new fighter.
DS could've been an entirely new character with most of her moveset being totally original but I'm still glad she got in.
>Most Fun
Woomy, Cruel, Dragon
>Actually Fun
Inkling, K. Rool, Incineroar
>Okay but flawed
Ridley, Belmonts, Plant
>Anti-Fun
Isabelle
Any every single one of them is pointless and add nothing to the game. That same development time could have been one character with a new playstyle. I'd remove all echos if it meant just getting more alt costumes for regular characters.
I initially hated the idea of Baracat being in the game but he's the one that has by and far grown on me the most. Not my favorite but a great addition.
Just the way they play, as representations they’re fine.
Plant has too much jank wrong with him to be anything but a joke low tier (like MASSIVE hurtboxes, he’s like a sword without the disjoints), and not an explosive fun one like the heavies either.
Incineroar has such a god awful recovery and limited air options it feels like I’m playing a super slow Little Mac half the time.
She's a minor character from a minor series
Dark Samus is the only disappointment. The assist trophy was more unique.
>That same development time could have been one character with a new playstyle.
Except by the time they were added it was way to late to add anymore true newcomers. They've literally did all they were able for newcomers. They are the last minute additions that take no time now that the game development is coming to a close.
>four games later and he still thinks clones eat up significant development time and aren't last minute additions
Shouldve been Starman.
Again, I'd prefer more alternate costumes for the rest of the cast if echoes are just going to serve as aesthetic differences. The number in this game is pathetic.
>hated Incinoroar's reveal since his design and his games are a clusterfuck
>now have him as a secondary just by how fun he actually plays
I don't know about you guys but killing someone at 30% feels really satisfying
Honestly I was the opposite. I was super hyped for ridley and Simon but ended up maining k rool. Ridley is my secondary tho
>geno fag
every time
Eh, I agree alt costumes would be neat but echoes have extra flavor to them with different animation, taunts and so on. More alt. costumes would be appreciated though, yes.
I just used Geno as an example since he's a pretty big NEVER EVER to explain to user how unlikely Ashley getting in is.
I'm a Marxfag.
Which newcomers need buffs/nerfs?
All the echos except maybe Ken should just be alt costumes. Love playing Richter though.
>Buff
K.Rool
Incineroar
P.Plant
Belmonts (?)
>Nerf
Daisy (?)
>Absolutely needs Buffs
Ridley
K. Rool
PP
>Slight buffs
Belmont
Isabelle
Incineroar
>Fix hitboxes/make them more like their clones
DS
Daisy
>Mild nerf
Inkling
>I don't know enough about them to form an opinion
Ken
Chrom
I like Inkling's movement, it feels like Melee.
I don't play King K Rool as often as I did at launch, but I love his aerials and the succ.
Ridley's edgeguarding alone makes him worth playing.
Don't you trust me, user ?
Fix'd
Not the Daisy part
It's cool that the Belmonts are in but their playstyle is so fucking cancerous and brainless that it almost makes me resent their presence in the game as a whole.
Why didn't they spend 5 minutes making lucina and marth actually different?
You are wrong if you think the majority of the Smash playerbase cares more about "unique playstyles" than playing as a character they have personal investment in. Smash sells because of fanservice, not because of its gameplay.
Most fans of the characters that became echoes don't give a shit that they're nearly identical to another character. They're just happy to finally play as the one they like the most in their own games.
Not him but you can make the argument that despite being a slightly worse Peach, Peach herself is considered one of the top characters of the game and thus could do with a slight nerf while also fixing the hitbox of her animations to be more like Peach's.
To be fair, playing them against players who know the matchup or in tournament play is much more difficult.
They do have some pretty execution heavy combos too.
Not them but I don't trust furryfags.
I guess you're right about that.
>Buff
Ridley
K Rool
Plant
Ken
Isabelle
Dark Samus (more differences)
Daisy (more differences)
>Nerf
Chrom
more
How did you not rank ken awesome?
you automatically a fag
Chrom already got a significant nerf, he's fine.
Literally all you need to do is get him off stage, and counter/gimp his recovery.
>slightly worse peach
debatable
Don't have anymore desu
Ken and Ryu are both rather disappointing honestly.
Their combo game and kill power aren't too great, and their recoveries are easy to punish.
Also that "always face your opponent" mechanic hurts them a lot right now.
It certainly doesn't
You sure? Not being able to do instant back airs out of a short hop seems pretty bad.
>Has a bigger hitbox while hurtbox is the same as Peach's
It's not even an argument, she's objectively worse. Not by much and only super autistic tourneyfags will care but it still gives her a very slight disadvantage overall.
>Also that "always face your opponent" mechanic hurts them a lot right now
Literally why did they do this? I know that's how they work in SF and it sounded like a cool idea but it sucks.
>made an utterly broken kill confirm slightly less broken
>significant nerf
I still think it's kinda ridiculous how early so many of his moves kill with how stupidly fast and easy to combo into they are.
I have no idea man.
Cloud nerfs didn't affect his playstyle much, but Ryu and Bayo just got screwed.
the only thing auto face does is make it harder to kill with bair, but now they get the sickest ledge punishes
>he doesn't know
youtu.be
I'll give you that.
Chrom's F-Smash and F-tilt are insane, and could use some knockback reduction.
The same reason why characters like Little Mac are entirely designed around being grounded even though character's get the most benefits from performing well in the air.
It really wouldn't be as much of an issue if they could instantly RAR if they initial dashed forward and then instantly backdashed within the first few frames, seeing as it already goes basically nowhere as it is
Personally I like the autoturnaround because I can cross someone up and immediately start pressuring with light tilts without fearing that I fucked up and did them in the wrong direction
In any case I love the concept, but there's a couple things I hope get ironed out and fixed in future patches
That's a really good point.
Cross ups are a fundamental part of SF play, so that is a good use of the turn around mechanic.
Hopefully they do keep improving it in future patches.
its also because 90% of the cast has up and down smashes that hit both sides of them and ryu and ken do not
Huh, didn't know about this new info. Thanks for letting me know.
Being able to always punish rolls, true tatsu back on stage, perform perfect inputs, and having the best foxtrot in the game
Nah the pros outweigh the cons
Yeah, he’s the heel, and people hate him just as they’d hate a heel
they just need to give him an option to turn off the auto turn around mechanic at free will, while giving him his jank hitboxes, give his frame 3 invincible shoryu back, give him back his frame 2 downtilt back, and he might actually stand a chance.
>frame 2 downtilt back
The shotos still have that, but some weirdass buffering in the game makes it frame 3 if it's the first down tilt you did, same thing happens to jab and up tilt
The frame 4 invincible Shoryu and in Ryu's case, some reduced hitboxes really do hurt though
Good, let Bayo rot
>Plant
>Mediocre
Are you okay user? You may have bumped your head by accident
It has a cool moveset but its so awful that its hard to enjoy.