Smash thread
Smash thread
Alexander Nelson
Blake Parker
Complaining about this as chinkling is particularly funny
Jackson Long
Kevin Nelson
Reminder that all Palutena mains are FAGGOTS and probably trannies too
Ryder Jackson
...
Samuel Clark
they dont actually talk about the game, its just dick waving over their discord tourneys that have no weight outside of that general
Camden Cooper
they're smash players so it's a given
Jacob Miller
Husband thread
Jason Roberts
I really need to get back into Ultimate, DMC5 has taken up all of my time and I'm still not done with it.
Carson Martinez
Fine with the sword, its his airels that I don't like, I loved him in smash 4 but someone this easy should be slower, it's just the golden rule.
Owen Anderson
Yiff in heck
Luke Turner
Anyone want to start a team battle arena?
Christopher Garcia
this little boy is about to throw his bomb with confused eyes.
what do?
Chase Jackson
i mained palutena day one but the instant i saw degenerates picking her up i dropped the character because i just knew she would become cancer
now i main shulk and couldnt be happier
Bentley Gomez
>character stops being trash
>everyone suddenly dislikes them
Every goddamn time.
Dominic Williams
I'm finding it increasingly funny how people are bitching about more and more characters. Further proving that there arent any actually major problems with any of them, people just get fuming mad over losing
I also wish Pig Ganon was in
Jason Hernandez
>Character is secretly not trash
>Get unwarranted praise for maining a character that's admitedly not that hard
Kevin Taylor
>team battle
Spammy projectile faggotry.
Colton Diaz
any tips for snake?
Juan Collins
i just hate playing against everyone online, most people seem like faggots
Adam White
Pocket the bomb.
Sebastian Richardson
Downthrow -> uptilt is a guaranteed kill at 160% or higher.
Jackson Rivera
You wouldn't be wrong. There was already a fair amount of people who are unable to approach no matter the character they play, but add in all the GSP cancer and you have one of the most tedious group of players out there.
Benjamin Lee
Or maybe we just outplay you.
Let me know how that explosive flame feels.
Xavier Russell
fuck you villager
I hope you dead in several pieces
Wyatt Rodriguez
I just want Joker to be released I'm so impatient it's been four months already. On the bright side, the next DLC characters will have a significantly shorter wait time between their reveals and their release.
Christian Allen
Have patience.
If you're hyped for Joker, you can bet he'll be Smash 4 Cloud levels of broken on release.
Jose Wilson
for sure, it could be autism but there's probably something i could pick out from each character as an example
every time it gets down to the last stock, most people i play seem to go complete retard mode, easy to see in wolf neutral b spam, and every cloud
this might be beside the point, but i ran into the same olimar like 3 times last week, and i had no idea what the fuck he was doing at any point of the match
Anthony Torres
>STILL cannot fucking get used to the controls after 4 months
Everything feels sluggish and jank, wtf bros. Not even a meleefag. It has to be me at this point, right?
Cameron Baker
When is the patch?
Connor Perez
No. Ultimate does have the worst input lag of any Smash game.
Dash-dancing while good, isn't quite as fluid as Melee or PM.
Also platform movement is atrocious.
Angel Scott
Platform movement is the only point I agree with there. Legitimately bad and only serves to detract from the experience
Ayden Cox
Dash dancing is kind of annoying in that it just retains the fact that dashing is a commitment, which can easily fuck with timing shield or attacks. It's most noticeable with Mac. I thought Dash Dancing would be great for him but since dashing is still a commitment that doesn't allow for the most precise spacing, the character can get fucked up.
Tyler Thompson
I like playing the Robins, they're fun. Why must they be stuck bottom-tier?
Logan Hill
Any tips for avoiding Nikita at off field?
that missile is annoying as fuck
Jack Roberts
These mechanics actually just destroyed mac.
Perfect pivoting helped him a ton in 4. Without a good airdodge, recovering safely with him is much harder.
Landing with mac is also more difficult now, and his counter can send him offstage.
I hope the bronx boxer gets some sort of buff soon.
Juan Myers
Because Sakurai thought that his epic move degrade mechanic was worth sacrificing the viability of a character that wouldn't even scrape top tier even if there was no limit on levin sword or tomes. When several characters have similar moves that are just as good or better that can be spammed with no limit, like Ness.
Cooper Torres
That's largely character-dependent, the most general advice I can give is to try and get to the ledge as fast as possible since landing directly on the stage will give the Nikita time to catch up before you can shield.
Nathan Clark
Mix up your recoveries.
The more unpredictable you are, the less likely the nikita is to hit you.
If Snake tries to stagespike you with it you can go for a tech.
Ryder Robinson
>Pig Ganon
Excellent taste, I've been wanting him since brawl
John Williams
So what should they do?
>keep the durabilty mechanic, but make the effect of levin/tomes stronger to compensate
>remove the durability mechanic, levin/tomes stay the same
For me, I think it should be 1, since the temporary power boosts are fun to play around, and it's a nice nod to FE gameplay
Evan Phillips
For mains without projectiles how do you deal with long range fighters? Matches become a game of cat and mouse and I hate it
Luke Jenkins
I'm okay with the Tome/Levin Sword limitations but seriously? 10 seconds before you can actually use the Levin Sword? It doesn't make any fucking sense. Robin can use his Tomes right away, why not the Levin Sword? What a needless & bullshit nerf.
Jeremiah Watson
By parrying, countering and weaving around those projectiles.
Also if you can bait that opponent to roll or move where you want to, it's a lot easier to punish them.
Andrew Gomez
Jump, block, etc. Never try to dodge/roll your way in, too easy for them to capitalize on. It's actually really funny sometimes just running up to a projectile spamming character and blocking each one they send out, the opponent kind of panics for a bit since they don't know how to deal
Brayden Reed
it still feels good, bros
Brandon Jones
how come parries don't reflect projectiles
Ryder Thomas
is this a cursed image thread?
Luke Collins
Honestly I'd make the swords/tomes cycle around. When one degrades, you get swapped to a different kind without having to spend time without access to it. It'd vary up their options and make things more strategical than questioning if you can afford to even use a move right now.
You could also represent more fire emblem equipment that way, and honestly I think a tactician not being prepared to switch to new equipment immediately is a poor representation of the character to begin with.
Hudson Lewis
Honestly? Good question.
That's how powershielding worked in Melee.
With Ultimate, they're going more of a "third strike" route with how parrying works.
Luckily several characters have reflectors, counters, pockets, etc.
Ryan Price
After vouching for his inclusion for so long, I just had to main him.
luckily he's also extremely fun to play as regardless
Wyatt Barnes
What are some of the worst specific character matchups?
Levi Ross
Adapt to the way they're zoning you and approach them through whatever means they are not covering or covering the least. Here's a little 1000 hours in MSPaint example
Joshua Lopez
He's in bros
Ryder King
Ness and Rosalina is laughably easy.
Liam Howard
Hard to say for sure, no matchup is so lopsided that player skill can't overcome it. In my experience I'd say Pichu/Ganon in the former's favor and Incienroar/Ridley in the latter's favor.
Colton Sullivan
Pac-Man is probably amongst the worst matchups in the game, if not the worst, and this is the reason why.
>Pac-Man lays a Trampoline on stage
>Little Mac has no other options to get past it than to jump, which is already a commitment for most characters, but goes far beyond that territory when playing as Little Mac, since all your options are easily baited. Either way, you are forced into a state that's inherently a disadvantageous one for Mac
>Pac can easily Fair you back away from him, set up his zoning as much as he want, and if he has the lead, time you out.
Jason Jackson
Pac-Man vs Little Mac, I meant.
Jeremiah Lee
>When several characters have similar moves that are just as good or better that can be spammed with no limit, like Ness.
That is the thing that irritates me the most. I would be fine if the spells were stronger or harder to cancel/ couldn't be reflected or something to justify the limited usage, but there isn't other then weapons in FE break over time and Sakurai thought it would be worth including in the game for whatever reason.
Austin Bennett
Somewhat unrelated, but I'm kind of glad Sakurai doesn't have a particular fondness for the characters I play. I'm sure if he did, he'd imbue their movesets with a series of banal and extremely annoying gimmicks that would only serve to worsen the enjoyment you derive from playing as said character.
Like I'm sure if he was a huge Metroid fan he would've given Ridley some dumb as fuck gimmick like having garbage ground play and decent airplay, or something
Nolan White
I've been playing Smash Bros since I was a small child.
Why am I still so fucking shit at it?
Dominic Williams
I don't dislike the durability, I think it's fun and adds another layer of depth to the character. It's mostly that there's not point to having "powerful" attacks gated by this mechanic since other characters can spam out attacks just as strong with no drawbacks. It's like trying up a cripple.
Carter Perry
You never learned to be good at it, and that's okay.
Jacob Howard
>fight young link as samus
>it's like a snail trying to navigate a minefield of constantly moving salt shakers with teeth and explosive salt
Samuel Gomez
Palutena vs any heavy
Pichu vs any character with a really bad recovery
Grayson Davis
How do I learn to be good?
Jonathan Cooper
Read his movement and punish him off of grabs.
Your down throw sets up for follow ups, and back through easily sets up for edgeguards.
Jose Perez
Play players around your skill level or a bit better
Watch videos of high level play
Practice movement often
Have a top tier character as a main or one of your secondaries
Don't play continuously if you're in a bad mood
Jaxson Hall
He wasn't just projectile spamming, he was just better than me. He could read my mind and totally punish literally everything I was doing.
But he wasn't even much higher GSP than me. That's what confuses me. Unless I was just being temporarily retarded how can he not be higher than me?
Sebastian Gutierrez
He hasn't played online much maybe
Alexander Wilson
>low tier god managed to lose elite smash
kek
Jayden Rodriguez
What this user said, and generally, just playing your opponent more. Don't just play the game, play your opponent & abuse their repeated options. Even something like a jump can be punished pretty hard.
Asher Thompson
Is Robin really bottom tier? I can kick some ass with Robin.
Justin Kelly
>gsp
>mattering
GSP is basically completely fucking meaningless, dude. Don't focus on it very hard. The only thing it's good at being is a metric of someone's recent winstreak.
John Brooks
Why are quickplay FFAs so awful? It feels like there's always one degenerate Lucas/Robin/Ness player who always sits at the edge and spams neutral B.
Gabriel Harris
His freakout against that one Incineroar can't be topped.
SORRY ASS FAT NIGGA
Cameron Wood
>saw elite smash once by accident two months ago
>after one fight I'm back out of it
Oh well.
Carter Lewis
Sounds like he has good fundamentals too.
In that case just work on the basic stuff more.
Your movement, mixing up recoveries, your bread n butter combos, etc.
Samus has actually decent out of shield options in this game too (Up-b, nair and f-tilt)
Michael Morgan
I guess the idea was that you had time to play through the entirety of Persona 5 between the announcement and release.
Liam Long
She has way better edgeguarding and a more flexible recovery.
Keep that in mind when playing.
Jayden Clark
You'd be surprised. The way he keeps sperging out over "GG" is pure autism.
youtu.be
Isaiah Williams
It's all GSP's fault, dumb ranking system that gets people to be try hards. Speaking of FFA, i'd be up for one right now.
Isaac James
Exactly, who gives a fuck about normal dudebro ganon, fuck
Noah Adams
If you're a good player, you can kick ass with any character, even if they're bad. Unfortunately, Robin is indeed bottom tier in most lists, always being in either C or D tier. I have absolutely no fucking idea why they nerfed Robin from Sm4sh too, she was already only average back then
Christopher Williams
Ran into a really good Marth on QP and, surprisingly, we went back and forth for quite a while, it ended up being Bo7. It was actually really enjoyable, but I did feel bad how bad I fucked up his GSP, we were both 3.9-ish; I ended up on 3.6M and I left him on 2.6M.
Also, did anybody win a big tourney with Marth? I had seen him like 3 times tops since last month, and this week I've run into at least 7 on each day, all different too
Samuel Cook
Spam up smash to ledge camp, get's anyone fucked.
Anthony Morales
>Also, did anybody win a big tourney with Marth?
Not that I know of but it could be people are trying to learn how to get that tipper of his to work more frequently.
Leo Peterson
>be isabelle
>face dedede
>dominate but can't kill under 170%
>do a mistake and get caught in one of his smashes below 50%
>ded
why must it be so
Mason Barnes
But if you play a good character and lose, you don't get cop out excuses.
Anthony Martin
The curse of super heavyweight vs. super lightweight. Parries are your best friend against his smashes.
Brandon Howard
>tfw I'm getting more use out of limit blade beam and cross slash as bait for people to do something stupid than actually using them as kill moves
As long as it works, I guess
Benjamin Howard
I always give him a soccerball to think about.
Luke Williams
Dominic Morris
I can't remember the last time I had fun playing this game.
All I ever fight is fucking tierfags or retards. Win or lose, fighting someone who just does the same shit for the whole match is either boring or irritating. I honestly can't recall the last time I had an enjoyable fight in this game. Fighting the same characters over and over just gets so fucking boring.
Evan Gutierrez
cuz you suck lol
Julian Reed
Favorite characters to fight in quickplay?
>Pac-Man
>Pokemon trainers that mainly use squirtle instead of ivysaur
>Snake
>Little Mac
Ayden Rogers
>fighting someone who just does the same shit for the whole match is either boring or irritating
I can usually tell when I'll be getting that just from the character I'm fighting.
But one thing that seems to be universal across all characters for tryhards, is
"I WANNA DOWN THROW AND THEN DO MY HIGHLY PRACTICE COMBO TEE HEE!!!"
"OOH OOH OOH, I SURELY DO HOPE I GET TO GET UNDER YOU AT SOME POINT AND THEN UPTILT UPTILT UPTILT UPTILT UPTILT. HEE HEE I'M KIRBY."
The latter person, I sincerely hope gets very bad news of some kind over the phone.
I make a point to disconnect on these people if they end up winning, so they can't get their GSP. And if I end up winning against them, well I'll stay connected so I can say "That was rough" at the end.
I had a match against a Dr.Mario who set the the stocks to 3, and the time to 3 minutes. So you know what this fucko was hoping for. Some sudden death fuckery. What he wasn't counting on, it seemed, was Wii Fit Trainer's spike. Oh god it made me so happy to actually take his last life from 0% to death in less than 9 seconds.
So I guess my advice is to let your hatred become the fun.
Gavin Hernandez
Anything that I don't see often. Honestly anyone who isn't overplayed is a relief.
Ethan Jenkins
I have the problem that i actually just hate figthing against anyone now
Fuck this game, at least in 4 there was a good chunk of characters that were fun to play against, now it just feels like everyone is frustrating to fight against
Zachary Sanchez
>Isabelle
>ever being on the ground long enough to get Fsmashed
Sounds like you might be pretty bad user
Andrew Mitchell
This user has it. I don't play just to win and enjoy the game. I play to actively make my opponent hate playing. I enjoy pissing people off pretty much. T. Jiggs Main
Parker Perry
Switch to team battle. Keep rematching after you've found a teammate you like.
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Me and this Chrom had a lot of fun. I wish it were possible to purposefully team with him again.
Hudson Young
Christian James
Funny how he went from one of my most hated characters in 4, to one of my favorites in Ultimate.
Roys usually make for fun fights too
Dominic Walker
I don't know why I never get the urge to boot up Smash. I had a lot of fun with it for a few weeks but whenever I think about turning on my switch it's just kinda like 'naaaah.'
Chase Ward
you don't need to be on the ground to be hit by smashes.
Jacob Jones
It really fucking does. I was screaming at the tv like a bitch. Crazy it was almost a year ago already he was shown off.
Any tips for him? He's fun as hell but I fuck up with him at times. Like I'll try to read a doge and fsmash the other direction to catch them, but nothing. I figure down smash is a safer option but I get punished from that. I try to use fsmash at the ledge to catch people but it doesn't seem very reliable. Like I have better luck using his up b downward at the ledge to spike people from coming below and grab the ledge. Speaking of fsmash I seem to use that way too much. Not on purpose, it just fucking comes out. Like I'll try to dash attack or tilt but nope Ridley just wants to fucking belch.
Since I haven't asked in a while: Anyone have that fanart of Ridley mid-nair flipping the viewer off with both of his claws? Why did I not fucking save that damned thing?
Zachary Wilson
Sorry but can i ask how the fuck do you find Roy fun
Fucker can kill you in two hits and runs like hell, why the fuck could you like to play against that
Hudson King
If they aren't going to buff the rest of the cast I really hope he gets tweaked. I don't want him to be shit I just don't want him to fucking stomp on everyone so easily.
Isaiah Rodriguez
I'm saving this
Sebastian Hernandez
I can't stand fighting Roys mainly due to side b spam.
Doubles are great when you can actually find them. If the matcmaking were split between casual FFA/Doubles with items and non-casual doubles/1v1s with no items, it would be great, but you end up getting stuck in FFAs half the time with doubles. Also fuck fags who stockshare when you're above 100% and on your second stock.
John Morris
In the Villager DDD matchup you do
Lucas Edwards
How do you feel about Cloud?
Xavier Rogers
I remember in the early weeks of this game I got a good number of matches of people who would fight properly, rematch several times, and even make friend requests on occasion.
Now it's just annoying faggots repeating the same shit every match and disconnecting if they lose.
Justin Nelson
I main Roy myself, I just like the mirror
Brayden Ramirez
Not him, but I just want to spread my public service announcement.
I've suddenly liked fighting swordies after a simple discovery with Wii Fit Trainer. Run off the stage, and after you've got this goldilocks-zone elevation memorized with the soccerball, you'll find that every swordie FUCKING HATES IT. And why? Because while it can be reflected back, it will never get you from down there. And they cannot punish you for doing this. Not unless you're really bad at recovering.
The only downside is, you have to actually like playing as this character because you can't exactly switch TO them to rematch in quickplay. Wii Fit Trainer is my new favorite character.
Hudson Torres
He's balanced now and feels like a pretty honest character that you have to work for to win.
Colton Perez
what's a brainless matchup I can kill dedede with?
Jose Jenkins
Snake, Belmonts, any projectile heavy character really.
Jace King
young link
Zachary Brooks
Jigglypuff's hell.
Jigglypuff has NO ANSWER to climhazzard. You practically can't lose.
Webm unrelated.
Aaron Wilson
>Speaking of fsmash I seem to use that way too much. Not on purpose, it just fucking comes out. Like I'll try to dash attack or tilt but nope Ridley just wants to fucking belch.
Use tilt stick when playing Ridley. Not only for that reason, but because being able to get downtilts out fast and consistently is important is a bunch of matchups.
He's pretty balanced in this game, his mechanics are unique and interesting without being too gimmicky, the sword hitbox is less insane than I thought it would be. I never played smash 4 but I'm pretty happy with how he is in this game.
Isaiah Lee
I really wish Climhazzard was just a little better.
He gets fucked so hard off stage.
Nathan Hall
Palutena is the easiest, Ness outside of FD, Pac-man and Duck Hunt are also powerful counters
Kayden Wood
Sorry to be that guy again in this thread, but I must preach the good news of Wii Fit Trainer.
WFT takes Dedede apart from top to bottom, especially if he's one of those gordo-loving dorkwads. With decent reflexes and a bit of space, her options between Sun and Soccerball pretty much create a WALL that Gordos can't penetrate.
Brayden Jenkins
Snake is a bad matchup against DDD, DDD can just swallow both Mortars and Nikita rockets, his swallow in general really fucks snake hard
William Price
its just his back air is too strong, shit kills super heavies at mid stage at 140
Alexander Wilson
anyone /borb/ here?
Chase Stewart
How do I deal with a good Ness?
His PK Fire is so fucking annoying.
Samuel Rivera
Give me the basic rundown on Monado Boy.
Jacob Martinez
Cloud pretty much has to hug the middle of the stage. But if he does, he's one of the strongest characters in the game.
I hate battlefield myself. I always prefer FD. But if I have a SPAMMY OPPONENT that picked battlefield, I know exactly what to do. Not that I like it:
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Jonathan Stewart
I like him. The fact you get limit more easily makes the timer not that big of a deal and you can actually be more aggressive and not have to camp to charge it.
His new tiny Nair still hurts my soul, however
Gavin Taylor
honestly i wanna play falco just for the "hands off my CAWK" down taunt to down smash combo
Ryder Collins
Depends on your character, bait out his PK Fire and try to get him over the edge since Ness has pitiful recovery.
Xavier Foster
Everytime his Nair whiffs in this game a part of my soul dies when I know it would connected in 4.
Lucas Martinez
One time.
I had a Chrom who clearly lost track of which character he was, and it got him SD'd. Chrom and Cloud look kinda similar when zoomed out so I don't blame him for it.
There was even a Roy involved. (FUCK OFF ROYS)
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The title is a bit of a spoiler how it turned out.
Alexander Hall
rosalina for super ez matchup, or reflect PK fire for a free smash attack (only works on retards)
Dominic Campbell
>"I WANNA DOWN THROW AND THEN DO MY HIGHLY PRACTICE COMBO TEE HEE!!!"
>"OOH OOH OOH, I SURELY DO HOPE I GET TO GET UNDER YOU AT SOME POINT AND THEN UPTILT UPTILT UPTILT UPTILT UPTILT. HEE HEE I'M KIRBY."
What do you expect them to do? Not get free damage out of their win in neutral? Is knowing how to play your character being a tryhard?
Are you really bitching that people are taking advantage of the tools they're working with?
Ryan Cox
If they just made his Nair's range slightly larger and made Climhazzard travel just a bit higher and snap to ledge without Limit I think Cloud would be in a perfect spot.
Benjamin Barnes
His blaster is a bit of a pain in the dick too. I main Ridley so it negates me using my fireballs pretty much any point that isn't when he's off screen. Though speaking of I really wish spitting just one fireball out as Ridley was really fast. If you want to charge them it obviously takes time so being able to just belt one out in an instant instead of the long as loogie animation would be nice.
Justin Rodriguez
Trying to wallout a character with the best and easiest reflector in the game with high latency projectiles really isn't all that optimal
Blake Johnson
So what's the gameplan as a Samus main vs a good Bowser?
Lucas Edwards
yeah his blaster is also a bit much
10%, stagger, and another upward hitbox is a bit much
Samuel Lewis
He's still fun to play as.
Nathaniel Thompson
My biggest gripe is just how hard it is the keep track of your characters in any match with more than 3 players. Did they playtest anything outside 1v1 at all? The smoke and other effects just get in the way half the time. I've SD'd so many times because I was looking at another character who has a similar silhouette.
Jaxson Allen
Hell, he could still have Sm4sh Nair and it wouldn't broken with with the likes of Ike, Palu and Ridley being around
Luis Bailey
>What do you expect them to do?
I don't uptilt people over and over and over. I'm from the Devil May Cry school of thought that it's all about stylin on fools and mixing it up.
I have seen Bayonetta (irony noted) do the exact same combo with no variations hundreds of times now, and my eyes glaze the fuck over.
I don't do any super repetitive shit when the match is even, or when I'm winning. Only when everything is caving in and I have to claw my way out. But these people I'm talking about, DO IT BY DEFAULT. They only care about GSP. Well, I can deny them that. I just wish I could see their faces. Especially, ESPECIALLY when I used my last life to dodge and run around and draw out time, only to disconnect at the very last second.
>Are you really bitching that people are
>taking advantage of the tools they're working with?
Y'know. I've had people play Isabelle, and spam slingshot the ENTIRE FUCKING MATCH and then say virtually the same thing. "Well without slingshot, Isabelle's shit! What can I do, kind sir?! WHAT CAN I DO?"
... Perhaps, pick a different fucking character if that's the conclusion you came to. If you find yourself so desperate with THAT CHARACTER and have to bore me to death in your desperation, perhaps it's your goddamned character that needs changed.
Cooper Ramirez
i fucking hate Ike and ridley's nair. it's infuriating when absolutely nothing can go through it
Bentley Thompson
Just the usual. Zone him out, use Dash Attack, get grabs if you catch him being defensive & keeping on shielding when he expects you to throw Missiles or a Dash Attack, Juggle him with UpAir or bait out agressive options and punish with UpTilt to anything or a Smash, get him offstage since he's easy to edgeguard with Back Air, Down Air or Charge Shot.
Christopher Long
You just suck at the game.
Jose Murphy
How do I fight belmonts/zoners as incineroar? It just feels like I can never get in without getting hit by boomerangs or other items.
Aiden Perez
--See this sounds like a good shutdown of my suggestion ON PAPER, but I'd have to say just give it a try to see the gritty details of what I'm talking about.
Wii Fit Trainer spanks Dedede.
Michael Morris
>predict grab
>hit jab
>see the jab animation starting
>get grabbed through it anyway
what the fuck do I do about this
Juan Flores
How do I get good as Pacman, Iggy, Da Cunt, or Mr. Gay Man Watch?
Christopher Lopez
>stop playing to win
>pick a different character because yours isn't stylish enough
How about you eat shit, dumbass nigger?
Juan Ramirez
Suppose I don't. Suppose I destroy.
Colton Jackson
Take the lemonspill and assert your dominance
Brayden Barnes
Yes yes, your "play to win" mantra has no purchase here. We're talking about eyes glazing over, try to keep up.
Henry Sullivan
If you were good at this game, you wouldn't have trouble beating people who spam the same moves over and over. Hell, if you were good, you wouldn't even encounter them in the first place.
Sebastian Wood
Why is Ganondorf so based? He turns every match into degenerate fun instead of tryhard faggotry
Brody Long
Get free Revenge Stacked on any of their reactable projectiles, and the rest is mostly just fighting a zoner, but as a character with the worst mobility: Anticipate the area they intend on covering, mixup your approach options to condition them into commiting more on where they expect you to be, and punish them for it.
Tyler Allen
i just wish he had a better move instead of his down B, a reflect would be nice
any decent samus or zoner completely wrecks him and theres little room to manouver because of his size
Jackson Cox
I promise you that if the swallow can shut down Link and Snake it's gonna be a threat to Wii Fit too, even without the reflector it's pretty powerful. If it wasn't 3am I would give you a live demonstration
Camden Ortiz
I have the opposite problem with Zeldas. I know the grab started. She's grabbed. A few frames into, y'know, the grab, suddenly nayru's love.
Gosh. What a great move. It takes such skill to do. It last so long, hits so wide, and even reflects shit FROM ABOVE.
Good job Zeldas. You're amazing.
Ayden Bailey
Use c stick for tilt attacks, run to the right and press both sticks to the left to pivot ftilt.
use c stick for dash attack, you can even do it out of standing.
Leo Lewis
>be Belmont/Mii gunner/Robin
>throw side B
>lingering hitbox while throw axe/fair/Arial
haha eat shit
Hunter Bell
If you were good you would be confident enough to challenge him to a match
Matthew Stewart
kys for playing tony the tiger
Easton Walker
Skewer is great, I didn't like it at first but now I'd never give up the chance to drop 60+ free damage on my opponent with one read.
Carson Collins
We're talking about gordo-countering.
But while we're on the subject of Dededes thinking that suction will save them..
Did you know the default angle for the soccerball is diagonal? As in, bop Dedede right on top of his dumb head diagonal? Once you're used to the angle, he's not reflecting shit.
Thomas Collins
I absolutely avoid playing on Final Destination, that is how.
Hunter Anderson
I took the simplest example for demonstration's sake.
Sebastian Hughes
what do I do about DDD's forward tilt? I can't get anywhere close to this nigger without that shit flying out and smacking me. Also fuck his downtilt stuffing absolutely every ground move I throw out.
Jace Davis
Nigga, it's a matter of wasting my time. Everyone gets caught in uptilt hitstun from time to time. What exactly do you find so skillful or exciting about it, or the person that's doing it?
>just dont get him lmao
Y'know, a tail cannot make the dog itself wag. You saying shit like this, won't turn you into a wrecking machine. Even the people you start mimicking this from, weren't wrecking machines.
Aaron Ortiz
>mfw finally won against a Ganon by countering his DORIYAH after filling multiple times
Ian Gray
Why do those elite matches look more high IQ than mine? Are Aussies just overall bad at the game?
Adrian Perez
Ah.. How do you figure?
Why do I want to spend time playing with this waterhead?
Bentley Morgan
>Going on the internet and pretending to be competent at smash when you can't even break out of hitsun
Colton Thompson
I have seen the swallow work on so much stupid shit that I am convinced the hitbox covers his entire Body including the back of his head and below his feet, I didn't think you could hit him from the front at all with a projectile
Downtilt is much slower than it looks, if you hit him In shield give him some fast aerials and it should come out first
Isaac Garcia
I'm not gonna pretend I don't get mad at other players like this. But holy shit this guy takes it to another level. What a fucking DOUCHEWAFFLE.
Chase Bell
Squirtle is a great character and has good synergy with the other Pokemon to make up for his lack of kill potential, and I really love Pokemon Trainer. That is all.
Levi Stewart
That sounds like coward reasoning to me
Michael Nguyen
Jace Davis
dont mind me just going to kill in 2 hits
Henry Powell
Why does squirtle always die at 80 but Pichu always live till 120+
Camden Gomez
>You're just not eating that dirt because you're scared!
>Pussy!!
>FAGGOT!!
Cameron Sullivan
I hope Joker is mid tier at best so all the bandwaggon shitters get fucked. specially the e-sports fags
Landon Ward
Kill me in one for all I care, just get a better visual design.
Daniel Price
>runs off stage and fishs for Uair at the ledge till it runs out
Nothing personnel kid
Mason Campbell
It's free damage if your opponent can't escape, why WOULDN'T you do it?
>Waaaaa it's repetitive
Who cares. If you get caught by it you can't expect the opponent not to do it.
Jason Young
This question has already been answered.
If you want new answers you'll have to ask new questions.
Josiah Hall
Just make like the dodging ghost you are and vanish already
Dominic Miller
>I can't argue with that logic
>But I can just... continue arguing!!!
Hunter Morris
I've been using Mario for months but I just can't get the hang of Dr Mario at all. Any Doc mains here? How do you use what seems to be the objectively worse Mario?
Sebastian Foster
its all fun and games until a swordie finds out they can counter it and you're pretty much dead
not worth it imo, i wish you would get his pogo tail attack if you used it in the air
Jeremiah Johnson
How do I play good with link?
Justin Gray
based
Christopher Roberts
Yeah, it sucks if that happens, but if your Skewer is getting countered it's a pretty strong sign that you weren't using it correctly.
Austin Powell
Ltg is that you?
Leo Hill
So in conclusion, we have a massive autist who's so bad at the game he can't deal with people spamming moves, won't back up his claims with an actual fight, and is so much of a bitch he disconnects when he loses out of spite that his opponents don't play the way HE wants them to.
Glad we've cleared that up.
Aaron Lopez
How do I learn to spike? And how to chase off stage in general.
I feel like whenever I knock someone off stage I just sit there and wait, and whenever I try to chase them I end up fucking it up supremely.
mains are Olimar and Samus if that's relevant.
Jacob White
I main Wii Fit Trainer, a character he finds corny, causing him to question if his opponent played with legos as a child.
So no. Probably not.
Anthony Cooper
How do I wall tech?
Levi Williams
Fucking up supremely is part of the learning process. The sooner you get those deaths out of the way, the sooner you'll learn your character's offstage limitations. Think of it as just learning instead of an SD
Oliver Ortiz
Aw. Why didn't you reply to a post, little one?
What are you afraid of?
Thomas Carter
This is such a fucking weird fake leak
Why go through all the trouble to make a video and announcer voice only to have the most godawful render imaginable
Robert Baker
Practice in training mode. You can get the timing down on the CPU trying to recover. Try to do it against the popular characters. Also idk if this is possible for your mains, but some characters can true combo into a spike at the ledge at certain percents.
Jayden Campbell
>olimar
dont carry any shaniqua pikmin or else you'll never get back on stage
>samus
shit recovery, most of the time I wouldnt even try spiking
just guess where they are and go there. know what moves they have, particularly their up-B so you dont get smacked when you go in for the kill
Alexander Martinez
Doc main here, the two characters play completely differently. I think Doc's mostly about mixups, since he doesn't have the mobility to make his approaches that reliable. When Mario will be moving around, throwing UpAirs to start combos, crossing up opponents, Doc will be throwing Back Airs, Full Hop Nairs, Dash Attacks, and Pills, among other options. This can serve him to condition the opponent into mispacing their moves, which Doc can save punish with a stronger Out of Shield game than Mario.
Jayden Hernandez
I ain't afraid of no ghosts
Isaac Nguyen
How forced.
Wyatt Gray
Luis Sullivan
Dominic Campbell
Juan Lewis
Caleb Taylor
Learn to zone. You can play BotW link like a trap character with his bombs, use them to control space. I like to use them to deny platforms.
Christopher Sanchez
I ain't 'fraid of no bed
Jose Gonzalez
Wait, do you think this stings? How old are you?
Hunter Roberts
Hey fuck you guys, Ike and Palutena can fuck off but Ridley's nair is one of the few things he's got consistently going for him
Just let me have this
Brandon Kelly
freaky ghost bed
Landon Howard
>Oh no... someone used uptilt on me. Why is it always me :(
Luke Russell
Shut up nerd
Cooper Kelly
>"I might've lost the game, but atleast my character looks cooler!"
Ethan Roberts
Sebastian Wilson
What are you doing?
Owen Robinson
Worked
Brody Taylor
My characters look pretty shit too but at least I can understand why someone would like their designs. Tony the Tiger would look out of place even on a cereal box thanks to his awful color scheme.
Sebastian Cox
Does anyone else think this game looks worse than 4? What the fuck happened? It's especially noticeable in the victory screens.
Dominic Green
Your mother
Landon Ortiz
I main him and my brother and a friend dislike me for playing him. I get wins against both their S/A tier characters. Those pussies actually add petty comments to make me screw up/try to bait me. Literal cringe. Fuck Ike and Lucina players
Anthony Cooper
Donkey kong is uglier for sure. The stages all look better but some characters are worse in my opinion.
Brandon Cruz
I think it's a mixed bag, Shulk looks like shit as do most of the anime humans do but I think it's mostly an improvement albeit minor
Jayden Cook
Hunter Nguyen
I will never agree with this sentiment that DK looks worse. All that changed was removing the fuzzy fur filter, which always looked god awful to me
His animations all look way better
Ian Robinson
>Projectile mains are hated by their own families
POTTERY
Nathaniel Ortiz
>Playing doubles as K.Rool
>paired with a DK
>the opposing Ganondorf and Jigglypuff get destroyed.
>Teammate starts teabagging
>I'm not having it
>let Jigglypuff player destroy the DK by standing back and watching
>Have a good fight afterwards, along with several others after that.
I dunno if I'll ever meet that Jigglypuff again, but I'm glad they understood what I was doing that first match.
Connor Cox
>Play a villan character
>not embracing villainy
Connor Mitchell
>bad colour scheme
lolololol is that really your argument? thanks for letting me know your opinions are just objectively wrong, and not just subjectively wrong.
Charles Perez
If you're online losing to Duck Hunt, you can thank me for that
Samuel Thompson
>play Sheik ever since Melee
>refuse to drop her since I love her playstyle
>constantly lab the character, work on perfecting every combo
>get good at hitting her kill confirms like weak nair to bfish, rising needles to bfish, ftilt to uair
>play a match
>win neutral almost every time
>opponent is stuck in hitstun for most of the match and they can only get off occasional hits
>really feel like I'm dominating the match
>look at the score
>mfw they have a two stock lead
Elijah Powell
>Joker and the announcer have the same english VA
William Peterson
Gavin Rivera
I saw it more amusing to watch the DK get destroyed by the Jigglypuff. Way more satisfaction watching a teabagger get wrecked because the projectiles aren't protecting his ass anymore.
Angel Bailey
give him his nair back and he's in a perfect spot this game
Jackson Harris
>play a character whose point is to win neutral most of the time
>>win neutral almost every time
k
Jeremiah Nelson
Based. Fuck all the people who want her replaced with Impa, a character who has never done anything nearly as memorable as Sheik
Nolan Campbell
because this game sucks. play melee.
Lucas Ward
>wojack
oh fuck you got me good. your argument wins
Bentley Brown
>he goes on image boards to "argue"
kekko kokko no wonder you are attached to a childrens cereal mascot
Cooper Perez
Melee is broken, play Rivals
Adam Lewis
>he goes on image boards to "argue"
you're the retard that went out and started arguing about "bad design" with great arguments like "bad colours"
Joseph Thomas
Yup, both my brother and a friend are butthurt and must throw in petty comments like "Aw you messed that up" and "I havent played [S/A tier] in a while". Those tier whores deserve to be buttblasted.
Benjamin Gutierrez
>Young Link
Landon Russell
so you admit he'll put you in the dirt?
Wow, you're bad
Isaac Watson
Some win screens definitely look funky but I recently played 4 and Ultimate looks way way better
Samuel Brown
You're a good lad for that.
Nathaniel Rivera
If you got a big hitbox hit the missle to make it change direction or not hurt you.
Hudson Richardson
I actually hate battlefield for dealing with projectiles. The platforms get in the way of my aerial approaches and makes it harder to get past projectiles.
Anthony Mitchell
do you think they're gonna announce something regarding patch 3.0 at pax on saturday, after the na open tournament?
Easton Parker
I'm the opposite, I don't mind a lot of characters I despised in 4. It could just be DLC character being toned down but nobody really gets me seething these days except for Yoshi and Inkling
Jace Russell
This.
This is something the shitters will deny vehemently but everyone worth their salt knows:
Battlefield is a bad stage.
It punishes talent and rewards tedious trench warfare.
Parker Thomas
How do you report a YT stream? I've been waiting for a chance to get LTG off the internet and he's telling people to go kill himself, in addition to all the slurs he usually throws around.
I don't want to flag the video because that's only going to bring down the people who bring us those gems in the first place.
Austin Hernandez
youtube.com
He is so cute. Jay Ward really gave him a great voice.
Blake Russell
>playing as K.Rool
>not screwing over a Kong any chance you get
Nolan Clark
I've been on a losing streak for the past few weeks, what do I do? I don't want to be kicked off of Elite. My main is Olimar
Isaiah Miller
I don't know what to tell you because I'm a shitter, but I'm happy to meet the world's only other Olimar main.
Andrew Carter
Man, maybe its stockholme syndrome or something but I really like Samus's look in Ultimate now
Still wish we had Prime suit or something though
Jordan Richardson
Anyone got an arena?
Zachary Bell
Holy shit Ryu can do that much shield damage?
Ryder Perry
Seriously, I wanna dummy some of you peeps. Discord's been helping me out a bunch, I've improved a ton.
Dylan Long
they should do free echo dlc characters and alt skins dlc
Jace Martinez
Smash 4 Samus was always a good design.
People act like having any tie to Other M is like a permanent taint, but the design is actually a real improvement over Other M's. Other M's design was weak, awkward and looked like plastic, while Smash 4 and Ultimate have a good, heavy looking design.
David Torres
It's that specific attack. I don't play Street Fighter, but I think it breaks blocks in SF.
Jonathan Hughes
>tfw Captain Falcon just keeps getting worse with every Smash game
Grayson Rivera
Yeah, it's specific to this move, which in Street Fighter is an overhead: A move that ignores low blocking, which is why it was translated into a move that does almost full shield damage.
Lincoln Wood
>Bomb cant be detonated if someone is holding it
Who came up with that idea and who ok'ed it? Such bullshit
Elijah Kelly
Someone make an arena?
Carson Sanchez
>be Dark Samus
>morph ball bomb on platform and roll underplatform
>???
>profit
Eli Martinez
Pac Mac vs Little Man
Jeremiah James
>what do I do? I don't want to be kicked off of Elite. My main is Olimar
you just keep hitting the c stick
Aiden Richardson
Seriously, not one fucking arena posted in this entire thread? Do you people not actually play Smash bros, or do you just fucking talk about it?
Someone make a fucking arena so we can play.
Easton Kelly
bayonetta buffs now
Xavier Martinez
I feel like Pac Mac has the stronger moveset than Little Man, but that's just me.
Josiah Murphy
Why didn't you do that?
Isaiah Adams
Because at that point it becomes WAY too difficult to dispose of the fucking bombs.
Brayden Jones
I would host, but I'll only be up for another hour or so. If it was earlier in the evening I'd host. So someone else host that will be up for longer.
Andrew Cook
It still feels like a fever dream. I can't believe he's actually playable.
Isaac Thomas
Down throw to Skewer is great, not a confirm but it usually works on people who don't try to evade for whatever reason.
I like to do it last stock so they start at a huge disadvantage.
Isaiah Gomez
>uk hours
>expecting anyone to be playing smash right now
Andrew Carter
Congrats. first jab deals 0.1 more damage
Aaron Anderson
What's the least played character in this game?
I think I've seen Meta Knight exactly once.
Jackson Harris
Bit late, but I've been playing Doc since Melee, and in this game their overhaul is pretty fucking alright. You gotta remember 3 things with Doc: Kill Moves, Mix-Ups, Recovery. His back throw kills at fucking 80 or so with every character, it's so nice. His Fair kills at ~100, sometimes lower, and his Tornado can decimate if timed correctly. Mix-Ups, like the other user said, are the only way you're going to approach. If you can, make them approach you and catch them with something like a tornado. Finally, never, and I mean NEVER leave the stage using a second jump, because if you don't have it, you might as well be dead. If you're really good at timing, tornado+UpB can save your life in a few situations. Overall, just play Doc like you're playing a heavyweight instead of mediumweight Mario, and you'll have a somewhat better time.
Jason Campbell
I'm no doc player but what about his vitimans? those things are so annoying in this game since they bounce players upward instead of outward. I've eaten a vitiman into fair more than a few times
Xavier King
Please Mr. Sakurai, can you give Sheik 0.1 more damage too?
Angel Reyes
frenchtutor_ on youtube has some short highlight videos where he's got a bunch of bomb abuse. Really cool to see
Kayden Long
They hate him because he tells the truth. PVP vidyas are not about winning, but absolutely styling on people and making them go “what the fuck was that, that person must be some kind of god.” It’s about conquering and surpassing yourself, not the enemy. Fun is mandatory, scrubs who subject themselves to lower amounts of fun because they want to win while making the minimum effort possible will never know the joy of dabbing on someone on a deep spiritual level and will cry out in envy at posts like this.
Owen Hughes
Perfect. With so many variations of Ganon over the years it would great to see Smash use different ones for each game.
This idea is my fave.
Sebastian Evans
>go online as Palutena
>dominate everyone with precise top-player-mimickry
>they all leave after 1 game
I love making all these Wolf and Ike playing neckbeards piss their pants with frustration. That's right, eat another 50% with this nairplane. Oh, did you die at 100% to my completely safe Explosive Flame? What a shame!
Oliver Rogers
she is a perfectly balanced "top tier" and people only hate her because they project onto any character that's actually good
Robert Price
>he goes for the virgin d-throw->fair instead of the chad d-throw->sh nair->regrab->d-throw
Oliver Bailey
fuck nessniggers who spamfuck pk fire
Christopher Robinson
>little boy
hey nigger, botw link might be a bit of a twink but he's strong as fuck, he would never have as much trouble holding the bomb like the cosplaying wannabe faglord you've got there