DUDE JUST PARRY BRO

LMAO what a post, thanks for the laugh brother

If you hold parry, it tells you exactly what the timing requirement is
but that's aside the point, you can dodge almost all of her attacks and she doesn't recover fast enough, so you can play it like a souls game on this one

>shuriken when she red-mark air pounces
>make note of the pauses in between some combos
she clapped my cheeks for a bit too brother, just keep at it and keep your eyes open

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Shuriken can do a ton of free damage (especially the upgrades), is effective against aerial opponents, and one-shots animals like dogs and lizards.

She is stupidly easy once you figure her out. Do this, get in front of her, attack, run up to her (yes run up to her) and attack again. She will get stuck in your attack rhythm. Sometimes she breaks out but you can start up the rhythm again easily.

Here is the video where i learned it from

youtu.be/OJqboXFgZK8

it's just a rhythm game dude, is wack wack wack parry wack wack wack parry jump wack wack wack parry, etc.

Maybe it's because I didn't fight her till after Ginichiro R2 but I didn't have much trouble with her. I generally found running to be the most effective way to avoid any projectiles, and she tends to leave herself open after big attacks. Also a shuriken can knock her down for a quick one-two.

Also using Ichimonji. I dunno if it's the best combat art but it works the best for me.

it knocks her out of the air for free hits, how is it not useful

Don't listen to these shitters. The shuriken is fucking garbage. Flame vent and fire cracker are the only useful ones.

>Use snap seeds to dispell illusions
>Don't realize she has two phases
>Waste snap seeds trying to get her off the wires
>Realize in phase two she summons adds
goddammit

yeah well you like penis up butt

>just finished Demon of Hatred with Bell Demon curse on
The hitboxes are bullshit, but once you get past the trial and error phase the fight just flows.

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Is there a finite number of snap seeds in the game? I only tried her once but didnt want to waste one when I knew I was going to die.

Lady Butterfly is one of the bosses that are easier if you simply don't bother parrying.

umbrella is amazing for avoiding attacks with chip damage, purple upgrade makes apparitions trivial, fire upgrade makes demon of hatred trivial.

wasted my only snap seed trying to open her door lol

>lose until im out of snap seeds
>nuts
>first try after that i weasel in and out of the summons killing them and dodging her thrown blades
>they are gone
>parry parry parry
dead
i saw a lot of posts on Yea Forums with her face and got really excited. made the fight much more fun

>when the combat finally clicks and you go full aggressive and barely leave her any openings to combo you

Just counter parries on top of counter parries while never letting up your offense, fuck I felt good.

I figured out you can play like a bitch and just run away until they disappear too

no joke i thought the door was the illusion too haha
good thing the ads are a joke anyway

When you walk into her fight the first time the game just decides to remind you that the dodge button exists again for some reason.
Really gets the noggin joggin.

Wait until this you awful gamer.

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>20 tries

talking shit about others having trouble but taking 20 tries yourself lmao

flame vent does straight damage and is the only useful prosthetic

firecracker is only good on like one or two bosses, and barely helpful

t. puppy

>door is locked
>run around trying to find a side path
>Find none
>Wait a minute that snap seed
>Think Im a fucking genius
>Use it near the door and nothing happens

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This is so far the wrongest post of 2019

Is this game anything like dark souls?

>locked
hmm what could it possibly need? if only locks had some kind of corresponding item that opened them

General design philosophies yes but the combat and movement are completely different.

maybe the upgraded shurikan but the default one does not.

shuriken is insta interrupt the fuck you talking about

>relentlessly attack her until she deflects you, displayed by orange sparks
>deflect her counterattacks until she stops, then resume attacking
>if she jumps throw a shuriken as soon as she jumps off of a wire for a free stun and big posture/vit damage
>for the second phase basically keep doing this, stopping when she uses her illusions, it's just the same thing but it takes longer

firecracker is straight unfair and ruins the game if you abuse it enough

it's an unblockable stun (that lasts a long fucking time with upgrades) that allows you to get several free hits in

Not him but to be fair you do have to time it slightly. Not that fucking strict of a window tho

this nigga doesn't know about the op air axe

You dont need them, they just make the fight take less time.
Shell turn the ghosts in to energy projectiles in a few seconds

Why do people say Ashina Elite is hard? You can literally win in 30 seconds by mashing L1

The safest way is to do a dodge attack every time she's using the last attack of her combo chain, you basically WANT to block/deflect whenever she starts spamming attacks because that will eat her posture VERY quickly
Remember that holding guard will refresh your posture quicker.

Your best bet at start is to bait her in to aerial attacks and then throw a shuriken just as she launches an attack.
This gives you atleast 2 free hits in (1 from the shuriken 1 from a melee)
Most of her unblockables (while on the ground) are sweeps, so if you jump AT her (twice) you get massive posture damage on her

Stop staring at HP once you're gotten a few hits in and then and pay more attention to the posture bar, because you literally get a free execution regardless of health once the posture is broken

is this a joke?
She drops like a rock once you interrupt her aerial attack

Ichi is based, guaranteed 2 free hits after any stagger
They need to nerf it and nightjar anime flip

What bosses are loosely the half way point?
I just killed the general in front of the castle stairs, the one surrounded by marksmen

You are about to exit the turorial in 2 hours.

How do you even get to her without seeing your dad?

This would have been a great boss in Bloodborne but I can’t dig it in a technical and methodical game like Sekiro.
“Giant flailing retard beast” only works when you can get away with button-mashing. There’s a reason all of the best Sekiro bosses were simple dudes with swords.

Thats what i wanted to hear. Love this game, dont want it to end.

The dad was blending with with rocks.

Just beat this guy (girl?) using my shuriken and it felt like a fight straight out of Bloodborne. I love the forward thrust after shuriken move.

But you can parry his swipes and smashes.

by grappling up the branches above the river after the first two shield retards, you end up in the cave that you jump up faster than by going to the end of the path first

youtube.com/watch?v=9OYf5JAKM9A
>learn a combat art that costs only 2 levels
>stunlock the boss infinitely by pressing guard and attack
woah

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Oh yeah I'm retarded. I did that but I did it a few days before I found dad. Drunkard and Shinobi Hunter raped me senseless so I left and didn't come back for a while.

>tfw NG+ and anally devastating everything in my path

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FUCK I hadn't even thought about NG+
hell yeah

I was just in the caves after Long Arm Centipede Giraffe and they didn't seem to lead anywhere except to a few items and then a loop around back to the statue? Is that right?

Imagine being so much of a shitter that you resort to the ultimate cheese and STILL get your teeth kicked in
lol
Well, I mean if you don't want to get better at the game, then I won't judge anyone doing this
but I doubt that trick will work a second time

Yeah, assuming one of the few items you mentioned is an esoteric text.

this fight really soured the game for me
>dodge out of the way of the dash
>get hit every time
>jump instead
>the boss goes right fucking through me but because I jumped I'm invulnerable

???

I had no idea the mechanic worked that way, you can just badly jump a sweep and be invulnerable

The hitboxes in the fight are pretty much indefensible, but once you figure out what they expect you to do for each attack it becomes much simpler.
I still don't know how to avoid the gigantic field of fire lol

bell demon doesn't effect bosses

this game really shows which soulsfags have never touched an action game in their lives desu

Not at all? I swear you take more posture damage with it on

is there anything missable if I grab the ingredients for Kuro now (that'll trigger the invasion of Ashina)? Already did all the dragon tear shit with divine child

>Lady Nightjar

I'm impressed by the boss variety. It feels like there's bloodborne bosses, dark souls artorias bosses, and some demons souls bosses in there as well.

Sekiro is like a Soulsborne 'greatest hits' mash up with it's own unique flavor.

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sprint jump to the side and grapple asap

Her tutorial literally states not to parry

spam attack, dodge left.

I jumped to the side and tried to grapple, but didn't sprint. That sounds like it would work

Yup. Thanks. I thought it might lead somewhere else but I'm too tired to keep looking.

This isn't actually unique to that special, rather it's a timing thing. It's actually incredibly effective to be aggressive but stagger your r1 swings instead of mashing, especially against human sized bosses that try to jump like Genichiro.

Prosthetic tier list incoming
>Always useful tier
Shuriken, Firecrackers, Umbrella
>Situational use
Axe, Flame, Whistle, Feather, Fan
>Literally shit
Spear, Sabimaru

You can win in less than half that time. I don't know how people struggle with him, he has like 2 attacks, and you can posture break him do quickly. You can beat him with luck if you deflect like 3 of his double slashes in a row.

mash out shuriken whenever she has her feet even a single inch off the ground and you can do a metric fuckton of posture damage

Yeah it's there to get you to the text.

I haven't actually put any points in that tree myself though. Apparently it gives passives to drops but that doesn't seem a high priority to me right now.

Sabimaru and Spear are fucking godlike, what do you mean? Spiral spear does a fuck ton of posture damage flame spear has great cleave, and sabimaru does posture/vit damage through guard on top of applying poison, and the followup lets you dodge counterattacks and continue your own offensive.

i think i saw somebody mention that the feathers make isshin's fight 360babbymode-tier, is it actually worth getting or is there something else that can make the boss any less shit

Sabimaru doesn't really do anything for me even when I keep spamming it to apply poison and it's too expensive for what it does (1 emblem cost for every swing, really?).
Spear sucks because it's main use (stripping armor) only works for armored fat guys but there's only a handful of them in the game and one obscure use (huge damage on headless ape's neck). And axe does a better job at being the damage prosthetic from my testing.

I just beat her, just hit once and go toward her, hit once ad infinitum
It works

>tfw controller broke because spammed parry too hard
Who wants to send me $60 for a xbox controller ty

>NOOOOO WHY ARENT YOU PLAYING IT MY WAY
Autism.

The usefulness of the tools greatly depends on your personal style.
I’m not a fan of the feathers since I prefer to step in and out, but if you’re a “strafe around them” type it might be useful.
Still, I wouldn’t want to waste emblems that could go towards a firecracker or charged-up shuriken.

It's 1 emblem for every two swings sabimaru iirc.

even without stripping armor, the pull function of the spear is great because it helps you isolate enemies in groups. and while axe works for vit/posture damage, I find that it starts up too slowly to be reliable in boss fights.

Is there a way to do all the ending or does it lock you out?

dude just jump

You can jyddle her with just dodge R1.

>tfw you realize these games are based on Punch Out!

>R1 R1
>dodge right
>repeat both phases until shes dead
wow hard fight

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This boss is the ultimate pleb filter, it's similar to Vicar Amelia in BB.
You actually have to forget everything you learned in the prior games to beat her.

That isn't Vicar Amelia though, you get behind her and wail away which works in all Souls games.

Nearly every fight in the game can be cheesed by simply being hyper aggressive.
If you play like a bitch, you die like a bitch.
Be aggressive, learn to fucking Parry. You can parry every attack in the game, even projectiles. You know when bosses do those attacks that mark your head with red and you're usually fucked? if you were ultra aggressive, and it isn't a grab move, aggressive slashes cancel their attack.
Stop playing like a pussy and you'll win.

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>playing aggresive and parrying is cheesing

how the fuck is that "cheesing" that's literally the way the game is designed

I didn't compare the fights, I compared the necessary attitude to change your gameplay from 08/15 from-dodging

This CUNT killed me 50 times or more then I killed the horse rider and bull in under 3 tries each. I guess I’m good now.

where did I say it was cheesing, you stupid faggot? quote where I said it is cheese? retard

>tfw no longer puppy

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>Nearly every fight in the game can be cheesed by simply being hyper aggressive.
>cheesed by being hyper aggressive
>cheesed

now fuck off

The flaming bull was pretty lackluster. Enjoyed every other boss so far though

>Parry the last overhead kick in her combo
>Begin to punish her
>She immediately starts up a sweeping perilous attack and I can't just mid-attack
>After getting her almost dead and not getting hit, one hit leaves me with virtually no health
>She jumps
>Try to throw a shuriken
>Camera isn't in the mood
>She's now behind me while I'm staring up at the sky
But hey, at least you get a magic seed that kind of gets rid of some of her summons if they're right next to you one time.

>got the killing blow on her right when a billion glowing butterflies were about to tear open my asshole

I'm having lots of fun.

this was the best boss in the game, debate me

Didn't notice how huge her hands were until now. Those are Street Fighter tier hands.

Nothing is hard until you get to bow and lightning dude, the only boss for which there is no trick and you just have to use every fight mechanic to your advantage

Yeah I love phase two where you’re fighting her, her summons, her shurukin, the camera, the regular butterfly’s and then finally the homing butterfly’s.

>Tfw I just used Nightjar Slash over and over and over again for both phases
>Tfw caught Snake Eye Shirafuji on the rock cliff and just kept spamming hits in between his animations
>Tfw Shadow striking Genichiro over and over

SOMEBODY FUCKING STOP ME

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The parry pattern isn't hard

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god fucking dammit. ive been trying to be fancy dodging and deflecting this whole time

Phase two is a joke

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I really liked Genichiro in Ashina Castle, was firm but fair and really felt like two swordsmen just going at it, hope they add a way to go back and fight individual bosses again

I don't know if it works on patched version but in 1.0 you can dodge plus R1 spam her to death. As in, paying almost attention to what's happening on the screen, just dodge and R1 and she misses you after fecovering from your hit and you R1 her again, keeping her effectively stunlocked. This is how I got the first phase consistently with all heals and resurrections intact.

i got way to autistic with that boss that I parry everything rather than blocking. finished him in less than 3 min.

Na it just add's/increases the chances of better item drops in enemy pools

I can hear the CLANGs in my head. Good work, user.

the tip for butterfly is actually a lie

dodging is shit, you want to parry everything for posture. you only want to jump away for the red mark attacks.

Not jump away, jump ontop of her like you're mario

>dodge
why?
I just R1'ed her and parried every single attack. If she jumps up, she's about to do some obviously telegraphed shit that literally is avoided by walking backwards from her and landing 2-3 hits when she lands with the double attack after throwing shurikens or a foot stomp. If you get the danger moon rune, you jump and slice.

Do people really not watch boss animations anymore? If you need to dodge even once in phase 1 you're doing the fight the inefficient way. You just R1, deflect, or move backwards.

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another tip, you can spam L1 to parry but it's better if you hit L1 when the hit comes in exactly for more posture gain.

Dude the combat sucks

What are those feudal Japan yakuza games are called? Those games legitimately has a way more fleshed out type of swordplay

I'm glad I'm not the only retard that did this too since I forgot about the shinobi hunter path when I fell into the river and just found the side tunnel on accident. From exploring I had like 5 more though so it was no biggie.

Owl is beating my asshole. Am I bad?

Anyone have any idea what the patch did besides "gameplay balances"?

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You can dodge cheese this bitch without even trying, if you're legit stuck then maybe the game isn't for you

All you had to do was read the tutorial the game gives you.
If you just repeat Dash > Hit over and over she gets stunlocked forever.

unironically parry less and dodge more while keeping up the offense or else he's going to cuck your posture every single time

He BTFO my posture in three hits.

Perfect blocks make that less of an issue but make sure to back off when you can. Remember holding block lets you regain posture quicker and he has tons of gaps for either vitality damage or regaining your own posture

What patch? Are you on PS4 / Xone? There's nothing on Steam version.

she is one of the easiest bosses, people are just retarded and won't stop trying to spam the same tactic over and over again. it's a defensive fight. literally just guard the entire time, then she comes near you and stops moving, whack her a couple times. when she summons the illusions literally just sprint in circles around the room until they turn into butterflies and hit the wall behind you, it's impossible to get hit

this boss just proves that Yea Forums is retarded because this boss is an absolute cakewalk once you know what to do and yet people still have trouble after they are told. I suck at this game and I can consistently blow her the fuck without even getting hit once

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that doesn't work on a lot of enemies tho. it surprisingly works on seven spears ashina who was raping me until I just started spamming r1

>this boss is an absolute cakewalk once you know what to do
t. guy who doesn't know what to do

He's absolutely top 5

This was exactly what I did.
I still don't understand the 'just dodge her' meme.

or just rush her down as fast as possible and learn her deflect pattern. She didn't have enough time to get those illusions ready.

*fart and throw poops at you*
Heh, nothing personnel shinobi.

well my way is less risky since you don't even have to use your reflexes

surikens do tons of posture damage when she's in the air

How do I deal with that faggy mini boss who spams those magic balls?

Playing this game at the wrong time as I just got vanquish by platinum recently. Going from that high pace fun to this slow monotonous combat not a good idea for me to get this right now

DSP one-shot her. I can never get over this, Console version seems to be so much easier. Probably the pirate version is an earlier build.

there's a locked door in the back of that room, I almost missed it. don't know what key unlocks it yet

It's because if you are shit at keeping up the pressure, you want to ensure vitality damage, so you have an easier time breaking posture. If you parry an attack, she is much more likely to block the counter, but if you dodge, she almost never does.

DUDE JUST

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I don't know how to dodge his combo where he sweeps with his arm, twists around and stomps, then uses his arm again. One of these attacks will hit always, usually two if I'm unlucky.

>DSP one-shot her.
No he didn't.

And you didn't?
I oneshot both Butterfly and Gyoubu. They're early game bosses after all.
I had more trouble with the Ogre though, died a couple of times to him, because his grabs just do so much damage. Like 90%. So unless you're at full health you don't survive. Also didn't have the flame vent then.

That's the hardest one since it hits DIRECTLY where you're standing the entire fight. I find that you just need to learn the rhythm to parry the entire thing.

How do you get this far without understanding the BASICS of the game?

>tfw Owl bows so hard he creates a fucking shockwave
I love this anime shit

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There is no way less risky than

Pop confetti and spam attacks

>just parry
>forgets all about the unparryable projectiles in the second phase

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I've beaten him before, just unlucky tonight. I'm pretty sleep deprived so maybe that's it. oxygen therapy in the morning, class in the afternoon with light naps after. Then I stay up until oxygen therapy again. Almost finished but god this is rough.

huh? how do you fight Owl again at Hirata?

Just dodge the slow ass butterflies. Hell, you can even ignore them. They do damage through guard, but don't stagger you, so it's whatever. The fight will be over before you run out of health.

So you are still just a puppy.

Good luck user, you can do it

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imagine a dlc where you play as the sculptor in his past shinobi days

I haven't gotten very far so if it's revealed that he's actually you or some gay shit like that don't tell me

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Second memory. Good ending.

Me too bro, though it was unintentional since I forgot I had it on

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>run around the room when all the illusions vanish
>literally just move left or right after one of grandma's moves summon them

Wow

I'll tell you how: Fuck Shinobi Hunter, I'll go somewhere else.

except she also attacks you while those projectiles are flying towards you and you can't always dodge them

where do you get the second memory? I'm currently fighting the Demon of Hatred.

>just got back to ashina castle
Who the fuck is the ministry and what have they done to the flying kite tengu

>same prosthetic and number of emblems left over too
spooky

She literally can't do shit to you if you keep sprinting

Firecracker and Spear are so good. Fuck Axe, Flame and Shuriken

another ending

More health though, I explored everything, and the umbrella makes it half as hard

Does it only affect big bosses (who have trophies for killing them)? Because yesterday I forgot to remove it and killed O'Rin with the curse and didn't see any difference

I don't usually pay much attention to Lady Butterfly fight, since it's pretty easy, but you might be able to parry the butterflies, if not guard, to reduce the chip damage you take. I think the headless do less damage too on deflects vs guard.
Seriously, just be aggressive, like this guy throw some shurikens at her. Don't let her just spam her attacks at you uninterrupted and you won't have to deal with a lot of butterflies.

Hyperarmour

>Just found out you can jump off a niggas forehead by jumping into them during an unblockable sweep instead of away like a soulsbabby and inflict insane posture damage

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You might have already fucked up. Not sure.
You need to listen in on Kuro and talk to Emma at some point, while you're gathering the incense ingredients.

So is Robert in the game?

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Apparently someone tested it on guardian ape and it gained damage and resistances

It's still up in the air, some people say you take more posture damage, some people say it only affects normal enemies, I'm actually still not sure at all.

>hanbei literally has a training session at the beginning of the game where you are forced to do this

looks like you played yourself

Got my ass kicked for 5 hours, but after coming back for NG+, bitch is easy as fuck now

Well, nothing you can do about that but learn which boss attacks have it and which don't. Or just eat some delicious red lumps yourself. You know you want them.

No, but his firecrackers are

the game is hard only if you are a souls player and think you can play this like a souls game

AND after you stomped on them you can follow up with the mid-air axe slam and another follow up on the ground for even more posture damage.

>sekiro literally can't hurt him with a sword but kills all the nips just fine

who would win, the entire sengoku era japan or one eurochad in full plate?

>he was best boy all along

Basically he did. Especially for him being him.

gravity

Well, noone has the ability to deathblow except Sekiro, so I guess the big guy

Can you set him on fire or poison? Or is he just a gimmick fight with immunities to all forms of damage?

He kept wiping on her over and over, don't lie.

What does Sakura droplet do?
Should I give it to shota or loli?

Except he cannot be beaten by the deathblow, that's the point.
Deathblow is always done with the sword, which can't pierce his armor. And minibosses don't die at 0 HP, they always must be finished off with a deathblow.

Good to know that nips have grown out of their "masterpiece katana that cuts through steel" phase

you realize that there's a difference between jumping right into an attack and jumping away from an attack right?
I find it laughable that I can just jump into the way of a charging 30 foot beast and not take any damage, but if I narrowly dodge it or sprint out of the way the hitbox suddenly becomes even bigger than the beast's model
that's just bad design, I guess the tutorial should have said jumping = iframes

pretty sure he is immunr to everything, otherwise you could chip away his HP with flame/magicvent and fire/magic umbrellla for example

Gives you an extra revive charge.

His strategy is also very good in phase 2. Even when she jumps to disengage you can close the distance and lock her into a block-and-counter string that keeps her from summoning the phantoms.

I got through phase 2 with 1 sets of illusions and it's only because she occasionally counters with a sweeping perilous (or the downward kick with later timing after the disengage) which broke my rhythm

No, you're the reason he's probably dead by the time you finish the game

It gives you an additional ressurrection.

Remember to talk to ever person you can. They give you hints who it/they are.

No, in fact I did almost everything else I could do until I took her on again. I healed through the fight easily by then with 7 or 8 gourds.
Not a fan of this game, perfect parry's are a horrible meme and they made a whole game out of it.On top the usual "everything is stacked against the player" from software fuckery.
Being painfully artificially difficult on top of being brutally hard is a shitty idea and I will never understand the success of these shit games, as I will never understand the success of BR. On second thought It all makes sense if you think about them as streamer games.
Streamers need to die.

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>you realize that there's a difference between jumping right into an attack and jumping away from an attack right?
There isn't. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You're clueless.
Perilous sweep attacks ignore your iframes. But as long as your feet are off the ground you're 100% safe. It's a hard counter type of mechanic. Games aren't real life, so yeah, you can just jump to avoid a charging 30 foot beast and not take any damage.

Dodge r1 spam fucks her AI

>cheated on demon and used a finite item for healing
first time I had to, forgive me jesus

Owl can if you get posture broken. He can even Mikiri Counter.

>by then with 7 or 8 gourds
Good lord.

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>perfect parry's are a horrible meme
>comparing FromSoft games to BR

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Oh no
My rice loli disappeared
I never got to feed her my snake
Does she come back or did I fuck up something minor and obscure that turns out to be vital to progressing her storyline?

Love how there's always a boss in these games that is you bit better

You're doing everything right. Go find her.

>There isn't.
There is
In one instance your character is literally inside an attack's hitbox, in the other instance it's not. There's no tutorial that says you can literally jump into an attack's hitbox and take 0 damage. This is typical fromsoft jank that fromsoft fanboys will defend because 'lol dude just get good'. Please never develop a game.

except she also summons them when you're up close while she is attacking you

You can find her in the folding monkey area

Why did the big guy even stand there? Was he guarding the temple? Did he try to earn money to cure his son? I just don't understand.

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he tried her at the start, yes but easily gave up and when he came back he one-shot her without even remembering the fight. I sure as hell didnt remember shit when I returned.

Very likely he made a deal with the monks to guard the temple in exchange for the waters to save his son

it doesn't matter who you give it to, so loli of course.

Dumbass.

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whats wrong with her hand lmao bravo FROM

so does playing the game at 30fps actually make the game easier or are consoleshitters just copeposting again

>side dodge, counter attack
>repeat

>mfw Mortal Blade
Holy shit this is anime as fuck and I love it.
Wish it didn't consume that huge amount of paper thing tho.

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What do you think?

That or he was just on his way there to ask the monks for the immortality water or take it by force.
Although judging by his mask, he might have been in Nippon for a while.

Cool, where does it mention iframes? Nowhere. The whole time I'm thinking I just have to jump over a sweep, not jump headlong into it because it gives you magic iframes.

>slow and expensive and does fuck all damage
>unavailable at the start of NG+ if you invested in the improved art

You can use it even after you have no papers. I wish you could choose to use the weaker or stronger version.

If DSP can beat her so can you

not sure since fromsoft doesnt exactly have a stellar track record when it comes to letting the frame rate go past 30fps without breaking a bunch of other shit at the same time

The point of spamming attacks and deflecting is that she will always guard before using any attack. All of her spirit projectile attacks are used from a neutral position or are added to ranged attacks. She wont use them if you simply stay on top of her and re-engage before she returns to a neutral position after a jump.

Yeah, but the paperless version doesn't look quite as cool.

Dodges have iframes albeit extremely short ones making it more of a gamble than anything

at one point he says "my son will get the healing waters", something like that. he is there to save his son robert with the water somehow, no more info is given. who knows why he randomly chimps out at you though

>dude I will give the water to robert
>okay sounds good
>I SAID I WILL GIVE THE WATER TO ROBERT REEEE TIME TO DIE

fucking gaijin

I think the 8th necklace outright states that he struck a deal.

There's no iframes and there's no sweep hitbox in the air, only on the ground. It doesn't matter whichever direction you jump to avoid it.
Except unless you jump in place you can't follow up the jump dodge with the jump kick counter for massive posture hit.
Not like that matters for the demon though, because he charges too far away for you to jump kick him anyway.

Ahh motherfucker, I was 100% sure I checked there, but now that I go look there she is sitting in plain sight
I must have been thinking of a different time somehow.
Fucking hell I went and looked at like 10 different places I thought she might have wandered off to
>She said she wanted to visit Kuro, but she's not in his room, maybe she's at one of the places he's been before?
>Maybe she's visiting all the pinwheels with the dead kids?
>maybe she's at one of the buddhist statues or the snake places for some reason?
>nope, just like 30 feet from where she disappeared from behind one teleport
fucking, fuck

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Why does the Mikiri counter only work on some attacks and not other

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Poor guy, no one told him what happens to people given the water, even if there's the option of Robert apearing as a boss in a future DLC or something.

He's probably tasked to guard the bridge in exchange for the water. It would have been neat if he reacted to using Roberts Firecrackers on him.

It works on every thrust type attacks.

Is she not supposed to be the first boss?

It works on any unblockable thrust

You need to factor delays during the attack. Seven Spears during Endgame annoyed me really bad since he fucks up your rythm that you are used to.

>some
You can literally stomp another mans legs into the ground. Every single thrusting perilous can be mikiri'd

That's horse guy

>comparing FromSoft games to BR
Is that what I did my underdeveloped friend?

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>5 days ago I was raging at Lady Butterfly
>Today I could beat Genichiro blindfolded

This game has been such a wild ride so far and I've still got a ways to go until end-game.

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No that's Gyobu

This is wrong though, jumping is the best alternative in both grab and sweeps. Jumping is better for almost every situation than dodging and you dodge into the thrust. Deflect/Parry should only be used for attacks and is pretty much your default. Unless they aren't attacking then you hit them until they deflect.

>My rice loli disappeared
How? When? finished the game twice without her ever being missing..

>Genichiro
He's also an early game boss.

Game needed more monkeys

Oh well. I died on her a bunch last night while I was up too late. I'll go back and beat her refreshed today. Is there more past stuff after her? Also, is there any point in getting that mask that costs 7 scales now before I leave?

Run right.

Now do that for pretty much the whole fight.

The memory "ends" right after you beat her, but you can go back.

It depends on the grab tracking and range. For example Juzou is very likely to still grab you if you try to jump or run away, but simply dodging to the side has lenient window and will throw off the grab's tracking, so it will always miss.
Jump does have that really big short distance boost that lets you get out of the range of some attacks that are not intended to be countered by a jump, yes.

>Get Spear Prosthetic
>Le Epic Armor Destruction Mechanic, bro.
>Find no such uses for it.
>Encounter this dude.
>Deathblow doesn't kill him.
>Ahhhhhhh, this is where the Spear comes in, dude's in full plate, why didn't I think of it.
>Spear does nothing.

What did FromSoft. mean by this?

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>Also, is there any point in getting that mask that costs 7 scales now before I leave?
No, you can't use it until right before the last boss anyway.

I was force feeding her persimmons and munching on rice and after I got the shota to make my balls sticky and then told her he did a good job she vanished
But I found her so it's okay

5 days ago everyone in these threads were brutalized. I've never seen anything like it before. Now it looks like things have calmed down and people have gotten the hang of it.

It's pretty obvious from even her lines that you are supposed to come back when you are not a puppy anymore.

Thanks, Miyazaki. Very cool!

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Attack
attack
attack
Avoid
Axe attack.

>Also, is there any point in getting that mask that costs 7 scales now before I leave?
if you complete the mask you can spend 5 skill points for 1 attack point

The game literally tells you the game only works on shoddy armor, and his armor is unbreakable.
It literally only works on Taro troop big children who have armor on. Of which there are like two in the entire game.

Shuriken one from max range, he will aggro towards you without his pal

Two dudes standing back to back, Shinobi's greatest foe.

I found the spear but have not encountered this knight yet. Does it seriously not interact with him because I would've assumed it's there specifically for him or shattering shields at range.

Juzou just face tanks everything so I just dip in and out. He's probably the only boss type that I never really bothered to figure out his moveset. I'd just attack once he was being a slow fuck and jump away like a eel frog boi.

Just run past them, meme mobs

Just a reminder that these bad boys exist

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Should I sent kotaro to the doctor guy?

I thought the same thing, I'm 15 hours in and still haven't found any destructable armor enemies lole. inb4 there fucking aren't any

Holy McFucking Shit, invest in a Spear Prosthetic Cleave Type as soon as you can, the REACH of the cleave is *insane* ! Assblasting entire groups of mobs.

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She disappears in the return ending route.

I dunno, I thought he was easy on NG, but on NG+ the posture damage/regen seems much worse for you, so even deflecting his attacks is a huge blow to your posture. They're scaring me. And every one of them has a bunch of henchmen around too.

It mentions poorly fitted armour. That dude is rocking a proper set of well fitted armour. It more for the retarded guys they threw into armour but there's fuck all of them, it probably one of the more pointless ones. Just use firecracka

is there a point of no return in this game?

You can drag the centipide out of Guardian Ape with the spear after he dies his jump attack.

So buy the 5 scale art thing?

I'm at least a mid-sized lab.

DUDE JUST PLAY THIS FUCKING TRASH SHIT FIGHT FOR 20 MINUTES BEFORE YOU CAN ACTIVATE THE SECOND PHASE WHERE YOU GET INSTANTLY KILLED ALWAYS LMAO

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I feel like Spear's more of a general use melee alternative to Shuriken that does more damage. They're both efficiently-costed attack abilities that can deal damage through blocks. Shuriken has its anti-air capabilities, Spear has anti-shitty-armor. It just happens that there's a single major boss against whom anti-air is actually useful, but none for anti-shitty-armor. Still, Spear's useful against ape, so it sort of balances out.

>fighting against more than one enemy at a time
Just stealth kill everyone.

right after you collect the dragon's tear

Best beast monster they've ever done, stop being bad

Yeah, you'll have enough scales for all the items in the end anyway.

The mask is for ng+
You should get it before finishing the game if you decide on replaying.
the last mask is from another scale vendor at the palace grounds. He is very easy to miss tho.

>the 5 scale art thing
Meme moveset, 99% of bosses would block all the hits and get little to no posture damage.

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These guys are massive cunts. Shuriken when they jump to make the fights somewhat bearable but they're still no fun at all.
If you have the mountain echo whistle you can backstab them all to death easy as fuck though. That shit breaks 90% of the regular enemy placements in the game wide open.

>ape has a sword through his dome
>doesn't bitch, just fights
And here you are complaining.

Her parry pattern isn't too hard. You can Shuriken her mid-air for high posture damage. You can sidestep almost all of her attacks and go in for a free counter.
Hell you can even cheese her. Dodge her first attack, get a clean hit in and then just step forward, attack, step forward, attack until you can go in for the death blow.
The key here is to be aggressive and keep up the pressure and you will need to do that with a LOT of the bosses in this game, so better get used to it.

>It mentions poorly fitted armour.

the problem is this is a From game which means it's full of engrish, so "poorly fitted" coule mean anything like "big and bulky" which is what his armor appears to be. and given that most players have likely not used the spear to destroy anybody's armor yet when they reach him, it's a reasonable assumption

Sometimes a Shinobi just fucks up, mi bro.

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I haven't played through again so I can't really attest but I didn't bother with breaking his posture all that much. It was early days and I still didn't really understand the mechanics. I normally just gather up all the side guys and pick them apart, use bloodmist if you want to start tearing them. Then I just beat on drunk boi once he drinks and spends so long fucking about.

Firecrackers destroy his first phase.

Second phase is just learning when to run away from him so you don't get screamed. When he does his sort of snaky attack with the sword, deflecting the first two hits perfectly leads directly into the slam, and deflecting the slam perfectly leads to fuckhuge damage. In general, if you deflect every hit of any of his attack strings perfectly, you'll end up with the slam and be able to wail on him for a bit. Bonus points for fucking his neck with the Spear.

you can dark souls this guy. never parry at all. only run away and punish. even phase 2.

>fire cannon
>does a shitton of damage and gets you like 5 free hits
second phase is also absurdly easy unless you are trying to dodge

You can get him down to 50% with 2 firecrackers.

You can still backstab one of them...
...and turn him into a zombie to fight for you.

I just made the Shura choice without save scumming? Am I screwed?
Do I have to NG+ to get the other endings and get the final beads and gourds?

The spear is completely useless the only thing that shatters armor or shields is the axe while also being able to stagger almost everything. The reason why I was using it throughout the whole game pretty much.

A failed shinobi is dead shinobi.

Yes.

They will block them, not deflect, and they will take posture damage. So it's one thing the arts can be used for - guaranteed posture damage buildup on the boss, since it forces them to guard, and little to no posture buildup on you, because you're not getting parried, like normal attacks.

Yep, also to get specifically all beads you have to do another specific ending where you go to another Hirata memory

Is it viable to get all skills in NG+? Does exp go up? I've bought a bunch of AP so I need ~25k for my next skill point now.

Just do NG+, don't be a baby.

But it's the best art that doesn't cost emblems. I didn't find muy use for any art after 2 playthroughs but I hung on to that one.

Yeah I tried to spear him and it did nothing so I didn't bother, then roberted him off and realised I could have killed him without it. I also remembered eavesdroping and hearing about a big retard being put in armour and how it was more effort than it was worth.

They are better bosses than most in the game. Absolute from soft retardation.

The levels start taking a lot of exp. You will likely have to farm some, or move onto NG++.
Like one of the super arts costs 9 points, and it takes like 35k+ exp to level up already.

I will but I'd rather get more stats and gourd uses to suffer less through it

You fellow Shinobi know how to make full use of the pause menu, right? I don't even keep Healing Urn in the quick bar. Pressing start to heal through inventory actually lets you change your mind by spotting a boss beginning to attack you in a way that won't leave you with time to drink. Can also change prosthetics, weapon arts, etc. etc. on the fly. Really took my gameplay to the next level.

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How much do you get at fountainhead in NG+?

>homie isn't out here beating off niggas with both hands

I am disappointed my boy

Well, to be honest with you, I haven't done Shura yet, so I don't know on how much collectible stuff you miss out. But I imagine quite a lot.

Only pussies use resurrections and heals

any pcfags here?
does that mod that lets you turn off v-sync reduce input lag a lot?

I'm not just there yet, and honestly, haven't been paying much attention to the exp numbers. I just beat Owl 2 and I think the boss gave me 25k, which wasn't enough to level up.
So normal enemies should give about 1-1.5k I believe. Probably more at Fountainhead.
But if I'll ever farm exp, I'll probably do that at the Outskirts in flames. The stairway spot lets you backstab 5 kirito guys in a row. And they drop mercury too.

are you fucking kidding me? This happened to me yesterday but the fight with this old hag was too good so i learned how to play with keyboard and mouse and defeated her, just today i got a new controller to play, but keyboard and mouse ain't that bad.

Oh yeah I guess that spot is good too, I just spammed the three mobs at fountainhead bridge mindlessly. I just did everything possible in this run so I guess I'll start over and see what I get.

I'm getting mixed signals.

Mouse is god tier for parrying vs my xb1 controller, the latency is so noticeable

I actually really like the way the game feels with a mouse. Left and right mouse buttons are perfect for attack and block, and it makes grappeling around feel more exciting than it actually is when you can whip the camera all over to target the different points.
Unfortunately the keyboard direction inputs really don't mesh with the way sprinting works, since if you try to switch from forward to forward+right the game can randomly decide you're trying to turn too far and make you do a dodge, which normally makes you eat shit if you're trying to run from something worth sprinting from.

Is there any point in deflecting Owl's jump slash? Seems like dodging would be better idea since you still get locked stunned for a bit even with deflection.

Guardian ape is top tier no doubt, but even though it is probably the intended design, phase 2 is much simpler to deal with than phase 1. I think its top 3 for me in the game

So, the Hirata Estate burns three years ago.
Owl stages his own death while he was the one tipping off Juzou bandits (and the ministry?)
Lady Butterfly is defeated, but the Wolf is backstabbed.
Kuro revives him.
Three years later and Kuro is in Genichiro's custody.

Qustion: was he in Genichiro's hands all this time? Was the Wolf in that fucking well all three years? Why did Owl turn Kuro over to Genichiro if he wants immortality for himself?

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>Yea Forums thinks the easy fights are the best
typical. you guys should have stuck with dmc.

I think Divine Dragon is the best due to it being maximum KINO, though it's the easiest boss in the game by far

It works on every kind of thrust attack to the point you can mikkiri counter the legs of those ninjas that do those kicks.

>though it's the easiest boss in the game by far
Folding screen monkeys.

I kinda want to try this because the latency was really really fucking bad, shit legit got me killed a lot because it cuts down the time I could react to shit
too bad I beat the game already so there's not much point doing it now

From games are actually on the better and of the translation quality scale.

The guys who tell you about the spear when you eavesdrop in Ashina are not talking about knight dude in Senpou because they aren't anywhere near. They only talk about armor that is improperly placed or poorly placed so when you see certain enemies that have a plate of samurai armor on in random places, those guys get cucked by the spear

>parry her attack chain
>all my posture gone

What next?

>coule mean anything
Just try using it and see if it works.
If it does - good, if it doesn't - no big deal.
This is a non-issue.

I don't think I parried once when I fought her.

>long-arm centipede giraffe

Now try properly deflecting them

You weren't parrying correctly. Perfect parries don't chip posture. Become proficient.

They do. But they never get you over 99% posture.

What? Perfect parries still chip posture, except your posture won't break with perfect parry.

kino deez nuts
haha gottem

The compensation is that Guardian Ape is the easiest enemy in the game to stagger infinitely. Phase 1 in particular, if you hit him like 5-6 times he will collapse and lose his shit.

Pro tip: use ichimonji or double ichimonji in phase 1 when he does his baby slam thing on his back (where he flails his arms down 4 times). Its almost a guaranteed stagger and big dick damage

That's wrong. I can perfect parry 3 of her combos in a row and that last overhead heel drop will shoot my gauge up every time.

I mean a top tier boss fight doesn't always have to be the most challenging, it comes down to how it feels and the atmosphere most of the time. Divine Dragon is a gimmick boss but its such a simple but satisfying to do gimmick (lightning reversal just feels so good to do every time, along with dodging and deflecting his flurry of swings at the end) that its one of my favorite bosses ever

That's why you just dodge it

it also increases the damage done by enemies
that's the whole point

Attack her.
See

Dodging is for faggots, though.

Are you on NG+?

You're right, i was just learning how to parry properly and my control died but the parry practice transitioned really fast to my mouse, i had some problems with the other Keys given that the game still showed the xbox buttons for actions and shit and confused me.

also increases their posture and vit resistance

>mfw keep dying to Isshin's first phase again and again
god im scared what I'll see next

don't worry, his last phase is just waiting for lightning to strike for free damage

Be aggressive, it's a posture fight.
Clang-clang his ass, when you hear him cling your clang, cling him back.

Its the embodiment of anime, enjoy it when you get there

That guy in the dungeon, is he supposed to disappear and laser in phase one? I have the bell on and he did change strategy all fight

Yes. Just deflect the beam (yeah, it's stupid as that).

He is super easy once you figure it out, but I can imagine people still deeply ingrained in their old ways just sucking a butt for like an hour against him.

what's his fucking problem?

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Giant centipede in his stomach?

How the fuck is he hard, he's just a Souls boss and I killed a lot of those already. Had harder time with Butterfly.

The one in the dungeon only did the laser on me once, when transitioning to phase two. And I fought him for a long time, without confetti or umbrella.
The later one did the laser pretty often.

well he is vomiting centipedes all over the place

ew, he's sitting on a pile of centipedes, that's fucking disgusting

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he was blessed by the worm.

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That's how I did it, it took me 6 tries to learn the patterns, good shit

it's kinda neat that you can end their mortality when you get the mortal blade, but what's the point? wish they had some loot or lore at least to give

You can farm wax from them.

Just started the game and getting my shit pushed in by the shinobi hunter. Worst feeling is I don't even know what these thousands of money I'm losing are used for yet.

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>Owl (Father)
Just kill me

Probably my least favourite boss in the game other than Demon of Hatred. I just don't know how to tackle his first phase, the second is piss easy.

He's easier than the first fight though.

Have you beaten chained ogre yet? I reccomend killing enemies in that area before and after chained ogre to get skill points and invest in the mikkiri counter because its universally a great safety and offensive tool. You can fight the shinobi hunter if you really want by just keeping medium distance and waiting for the thrust and just using mikkiri to beat him

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the first phase is the hardest and the last phase is the easiest, so dont worry too much

>i had some problems with the other Keys given that the game still showed the xbox buttons for actions and shit and confused me.
There's an option in the menu to change the button inputs from Xbox to PC keys.

Super late to the thread, but

attacking her is like a rhythm game, 1> 2 > 3 > she will kick > parry > 1 > 2 > 3 > she will kick > parry etc etc. She won’t always kick attack so if she jumps back just follow her with nightjar slash or something, if she jumps into the wire and behind you just track her and throw a spinning Shuriken at her when she lands

Second phase is a little tricker with all the goons coming after you but just do the same and once they disappear she should be as good as dead

that's an optional area, go back to where you got the bell and explore, there are two merchants there
and after you beat the first mandatory boss you can upgrade your prostethic tools at the sculptor

As long as you stay on her in the second phase, she will never summon the illusions.

I had trouble with his second phase, what would you recommend?

>run around like naruto on crack
>attack when his clumsy ass falls over
>rinse repeat
>same for second phase only with some jumping to avoid attacks

???

Ok he was pretty easy, died immediately due to invisible terror but beat the rest on the other life

>sekiro is 30fps on consoles?
AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH MY ORBITS

>mokey boss farts and throws his literal shit at you
Wow, when did From started pandering to scatfags?

Where do I go after I get into the main hall in the temple i haven't beat gerkio yet

at least he doesnt have a buttslam attack

You have to beat him first.

senpoo temple?
you have to beat genichiro to get to the boss there
or you could explore other areas

If you're in NG+ use the terror umbrella to block his entire scream, if not then what I did was wait for his wonky attack where he swings forward like a drunk 4 - 5 times, I'd just wait for him to spam that out then run in and get 2 - 3 hits in and run away again. Took like 10 minutes but it was easy.

Whatever way the AI was for my ape any time I went remotely near him he would scream which was fucking annoying without the umbrella.

There's a very elaborate shrine. Have you tried praying at it? A blessing from the Buddha will take you a long way.

I mean, he IS an ape

Says the guy which took him 20 tries, good job bro!

This easiest miniboss ever

good work, anons who dont learn to parry her will have a bad fucking time against genichiro, owl and isshin

That's not long dick centipede

I had problems with him because his fucking iai has a fucklong reach I wasn't expecting, plus the speed, so he killed me in a couple of hits the first five times.

Does this game lets you specialize, like throw spells or use a bow? or just sword wielding?

*TELEPORTS BEHIND YOU
*VIOLATE YOUR ASSHOLE
nothing personel

You have ranged attacks like shurikens in the form of prostheric tools.

This game isn't garbage fashion souls that focuses on quantity over quality.

We monster hunter now

I dont have any input lag at all with V-sync on

>you can end their immortality
How? I kill them all day and the absolute baka of a wold isn't using the goddamn sword on them.

Don't tell me I gotta use the slow as shit double chuuni slash skill.

That would be interesting. Does anyone know more about this? I never used the feather (and the whistle)

You have to do another finisher on them after they're down.

>6 gourds
Took you that late into the game, huh?

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Someone told me about it, but I never figured out the timing for this. Looks easy enough to pull it out through

What do the deeds do exactly? I wasted them once too. They didn’t dispell those ghosts.

I used the umbrella a lot on that archer guy, but how’s it different from just blocking? Does it require less of my stamina?

>parry the close quarters combo and evade the last firecracker slash by dodging INTO HIM and SIDEWAYS then punish
>kunai throw + big ass slash, guard it and stay the fuck away to recover posture or guard kunai and evade the slash exactly like the aforementioned firecracker slash
>always be aware of unblockables, if he does raw firecrackers, expect a thrust and mikiri it ez but keep blocking because he might just rush you normally, keep that guard up until you see the red sign, if he's doing close quarter combos always expect a sweep and jump out
>when does his slow as shit overhead slash hes actively waiting for you to evade early to change his attack, dont evade until he's locked into the animation, evade then and punish
>phase 2 burning owl + thrust is just jump the burning owl and then mikiri
>when he kicks you in phase 2 always expect kunai afterwards, dont let go of the guard
good luck

yes they do, you have to use them when the ghosts appear and not when her body disappears

>owl 2
>have to perfect parry his entire attack string or you instantly get posture broken and eat shit

>you can deflect a terror beam
seriously?

You can have 6 gourds by the time you beat second Genichiro which is relatively early still.

And yet you’re still better off just blocking

maybe this will help

youtube.com/watch?v=1WpP1Wachdg

I would if I could for spoiling the game.

So I kill them, wait for them to go limp and go in for a deathblow afterwards?

I’m assuming by second geninchiro you mean the first ‘real’ encounter with him above the Ashina Castle

Hmm, okay then thanks. It still sounds like a waste anyway

yep

what's your opinion on the flame vent strategy? Is that consistent?

I discovered how OP firecrackers are and now I don't get any satisfaction when defeat enemies that were hard before. I was hoping Sekiro speedruns would include players actually deflecting stuff with cool movement and shit but I'm guessing it's firecrackers all the way

>Elite Ashina
lol

he gets posture broken in like half a minute

Don't forget fistful of ash and snap seed for spirits.

Trivializes every boss.

>Elite Ashina.

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I hope they get nerfed. It's clear that it isn't intended that you can chain stun humanoid enemies with them. They are advertised as a counter against beasts and it kind of makes sense because they get confused by it. Human enemies should react to it on your first attempt and then ignore it.

wrong webm lel

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you can only firecracker a boss so many times until you run out, so you have to fight them normally anyway
except the monk which can be totally cheesed

They basically play Ape, ONIWA, and Genichirou straight from what I've seen. The only real boss cheeses are Corrupted Monk and maybe Bull.

The big thing is that none of the speedruns really bother doing any bosses that CAN'T be handled just by deflecting every attack or throwing firecrackers.

Yep something like that, or maybe it should at least have a cooldown on how often it works

The game must have something to help casuals beat it. You don’t have to use it

>Humans should ignore getting literal fireworks right in their face

Retarded?

Greentext user here, trying to use prosthetics for about 20 of my 50 retries always killed me so I stopped entirely. He's too fast to consider and all prosthetics are slow as shit. Its actually baffling to me how slow all the good prosthetics are, only 3 of them arent and they arent suited for bosses anyway.

Use your papers for buffs if you have them from headless, buff before going in and if you find some gaps in the fight, buff again.

if you spam firecrackers on every enemy you meet, you'll run out of emblems very quickly

no it doesn't. Also most casuals aren't aware of it. It's almost exclusively used by speedrunners.

I mean some humans in this game survive being stabbed in throat and still keep fighting on like a champ.

I'm fighting her immediately will 2 gourds.

It’s literally the only tool I use.

Imo it’s like in Nioh there are items that slow dows enemies including bosses. Those are to help the noobs. Summoning in souls games is another example

whats your attack level? I didnt do anywhere near that damage deflecting

Yes.

Thanks, had no idea.

I found Nioh to be harder than all of the soulsborne game. But I find Sekiro harder than Nioh.

absolutely not.

It’s mostly because no one is used to the game yet

>get to chained ogre
>real american theme hits
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Because you didn't time it right maybe?

There's only so many bosses you can kill before you meet this guy.

I've only played Dark Souls 1, and it was a long while ago, I'm thinking of going through the Souls games before getting to Sekiro.
Should I play the original version of Dark Souls 1 I have on Steam, or Pirate the Remastered version for 60 FPS, and sacrifice the online play? I have no interest in PVP.

Deflection window is longer, unbreakable guard, can absorb damage from ranged attacks and funnel it into a counter.

>No one is used to the game yet
It's been what, a week?

Pirate the original version

I've died at least like 5 times more in Nioh first playthrough
chip damage should have been on by default

That's not exactly it. The punishment you take for mistakes is far higher than the average soulsborne game. Especially in NG+ where pretty much everything two shots you after Gyoubu.

Combine that with the addition that almost every single in enemy in the game has an immediate reaction when you heal and you get quite a harrowing experience.

The difference is that I'm pretty sure they didn't intend firecrackers to be used in this way. The summoning mechanic in Souls games is specifically advertised as a way to help you as the player. This just seems like an oversight. If you read the description of the tool it's supposed to frighten beasts, not be some CC on demand that you throw at a boss to get cheap hits in. Casuals aren't going to be aware of it because it's not that useful of a tool against regular enemies and the other prosthetics seem more suited for general purpose play.

Also it's apparent from the way the game was designed that they tried to remove crutches like that. Almost every baby strategy from Soulsgames is gone.

>can't dump all your Souls into Vigor to tank through bosses or overlevel so hard that a boss becomes trivial
>can't use ranged weapons to cheese the enemy's moveset
>no summons that play the game for you
>holding block will get you posture broken
>constantly backing away from an enemy allows them to regain their posture disencouraging a passive playstyle
>you can't iframe through every attack by rolling
>since you can't pump your health beyond what the game gives you with its limited stat increase system getting punished actually means something, most bosses are capable of 2-hitting you if you don't pay attention or screw up

This game is certainly not as hard as people think but it's anti-casual to the core because it refuses to give leniency to people that don't engage with its mechanics.

>>holding block will get you posture broken
almost irrelevant because you can dodge out of the stun effect and immediately go back to guarding with an empty bar.

Only a few enemies in the game can actually hit you when your guard is broken.

>phase 2 starts
>go stand in the middle of the room
>use snap seed as nerds spawn
Wow!

Don't play remaster, get PTDE with the mod to fix it.

Emulate Demons Souls first.

snap seeds don't affect the magic missiles
retard

>Fromsoft game comes out.
>Shitters come out of the woodwork and spam the board complaining about how hard it is.
Every Goddamn time with this shit.

>>constantly backing away from an enemy allows them to regain their posture disencouraging a passive playstyle
>he doesn't sprint around the boss arena like a lunatic, gradually chipping health from the boss in complete safety
baka desu senpai

Play Sekiro first, it’s not similar to souls combat-wise

NG+ is especially satisfying because even though everything is scaled up stat wise to be on your level, you still destroy everything because of how much you've learned.

The missiles never happen if you poof away the illusions retard. If you're talking about the whole TWO fucking missiles that spawn otherwise, you're already beyond hope.

console shitters mostly, pretty much everyone that have moved from controllers to kb+m says that the game becomes much easier

yes they do, are you actually retarded or have you never played the game

His second form is a lot better. You can parry his sword, and when he does the big downward smack, if you parry you stagger him for free damage. I agree his first phase felt out of place, same with rampaging bull.

It worked for Lady Maria it works here too

Okay true, I agree

>Spear sucks because it's main use
Armor strip literally isn't it's main use, it's just a gimmick for a few enemies. You use the spear because it allows you to isolate enemies and absolutely eviscerate anyone you catch with the running charge. Axe doesn't even compare due to to it's piss poor range, TRIPLED emblem cost, and horrendous start up (using it mid-air slightly alleviates this, but it's still bad).

God I hate you km elitists so much, and I’m on PC

>almost irrelevant because you can dodge out of the stun effect and immediately go back to guarding with an empty bar.

It's relevant when it happens during an enemy's attack chain and some bosses like owl have moves that punish you for it by just one-shotting you. It's really not that noticeable to players that only block occasionally because they missed the deflect timing. But the perma-blocking playstyle of Souls games is gone because some bosses will fuck you to death if you try to do that shit.

The umbrella shield destroys Lady Butterfly so hard it feels like cheating
Being a shinobi means that if you play fair you're a retard

facts don't care about your feelings

I already have it from when I first played it.
Should I use the 60 FPS hack, or just suck it up and play at 30 FPS? Also I don't think my computer is good enough to emulate Demon Souls, I tried Scott Pilgrim, and despite it being listed as Playable compatibility it didn't run well. Does Demon Souls just run that good on RPCS3?
I could, but I'd like to see the progression. Would it be okay playing without online features?

Reading comprehension. Two different instances of missiles. Predicating the firsts removals does not exclude the second. Both are brain dead easy to deal with, so enjoy that last brain cell you're running on before you forget to breathe.

Your probably right. I need to practice defecting more. Especially if thats the kinda damage you can do.

Literally your first sentence, how dumb can you be?

and both of them happen, up close she summons two, at a distance she summons a shit load, doesn't matter if you use a snap seed or not

>Don't play remaster, get PTDE with the mod to fix it.

only gay nerds give a shit about doing this btw. normal people just play the remaster. its identical as a game and performs significantly better especially in blighttown.

This. It's so fucking obnoxious. It's probably the same people that finish games like DMC on human/DH with Bs across the board and then brag about how easy the game is.
Yeah, no shit sherlock, DMC games aren't known to be notoriously hard. They're known for low skill floor but high skill ceiling.

>at a distance she summons a shit load
Didn't know that was a thing, because I'm not retarded and ran away from the enemy I'm fighting. Unless of course you're still misconstruing a mass of missiles with the apparitions fading out and turning into them, in which case see two posts ago.

>Would it be okay playing without online features?
Sekiro or DaS? Sekiro has no online features I'm aware of, but I haven't finished the game yet. If there's still an active community for DaS, then definitely play it online. Don't listen to shitters; it's fun to be invaded and it's fun seeing bloodstains and messages. It makes the atmosphere complete. It's only like a very small part of what makes the game great, but I'd recommend it anyway.

Lmao just manipulate AI bro

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Sekiro, and thank you for the information. Whether or not I play it first, when I get to DaS I'll play PTDE then.

>playing actions games on m&kb

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>huge damage on headless ape's neck
Wait WHAT? Now that fight where he summons his bitch makes a lot more sense.

I've been watching some Japanese streamers who managed to S all HaH levels and he still have some trouble with some bosses in Sekiro (namely the shitflinging ape).

Normies are fucking retards, what else is new? The remaster is fucking garbage. It looks, sounds, and plays like crap and the performance should be identical unless you have an extreme toaster.

youtube.com/watch?v=n2eos3V7jTI&t=416s
1 hours and 40 minutes of BtFO for you. Don't be that nigger defending shit remasters. Play the original version that the actual developers intended you to play.

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No problem user, have fun. The online aspect of the Souls games is not what makes them amazing, but it's still a cool part.
>Amazing chest ahead!

The trade off is Spear trivializes every non-boss enemy in the game, more so than any other prosthetic.

Owl can't punish you if you dodge out of the stun. He'll always miss his kick if you do.

The hack lets you change between 60 and 30 by pressing backspace, try it yourself. Protip 60 is better.

It runs good for me but I have a 8600k.

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The spear faggot by where you first find shota prince is harder than Lady Butterfly

>...and turn him into a zombie to fight for you.
Whats with everyones hard-on for the shitty puppet jutsu? Why would you not just bloodsmoke and immediately backstab the second guy?

It's not that he deals a lot of damage in the webm, it's that those ashina elite are known to have absolutely shit posture. This miniboss is no exception.

Also don't play Sekiro first, it will probably make Souls feel way too clunky, maybe even easy.

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I know.

>I can’t use a controller for a game which was clearly meant to be played with one
>facts

They play completely differently

Check how many people still play the remastered on steam. Imo it’s the version you should play

Just wanted to make sure that there were no game breaking bugs for 60 FPS

Practically any boss and miniboss is harder than Butterfly. She's kind of the tutorial boss. It's the one boss you really shouldn't cheese if you're having difficulties, because she really teaches you the game. If you can beat Butterfly without much of a hassle (took me 15-20 tries to get her patterns down, then I finally killed her with only using 3 healing items and no revives), you're set for the rest of the game.
It will still be hard, but at least you'll be familiar with the controls and mechanics.

don't be that guy

Cringe

>game was made to be played with controller
>becomes easier when using kb+m

Nah there's one ladder that might crash you and -supposedly- it makes jumping a tad harder(there are some long jump areas), that's what the toggle is for.

If you post that same scene rendered in the remaster it will look like a piece of shit.

>sneak kill one of his health bars
>go ham on him
>mikiri counter
>jump over his sweep

Beat him my second try, and I only ran the first time so that I could restock my gourd

I just think that it’s better to play Sekiro with everybody else right now, to participate in the threads etc, and play ds afterwards.

Puppet Jutsu is fun and lasts for more then just the one enemy so you can ape out on other surrounding foes

How does it become easier with a mouse and keyboard user? Because you can run around and move the camera? You can do the same thing with a controller if you claw. Too bad casuals actually believe this will harm their hands in any way because Scuf told them so

No it doesn’t user. Stop it, the remastered is fine. If someone hasn’t played ds1 yet, they should get the remastered version instead of dealing with patches and FPS bugs with ladders

You just need to be very aggressive against him, otherwise he’s very hard

I'm still waiting, you fucking fag. The remaster is GARBAGE. I posted a video of nearly 2 hours of proof, fuck off.

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Yeah, you can use the spear to pull the centipede from the ape's neck if you manage to deflect it's big overhead slash.

Post it then

I already did

>and then you parry his fuckhueg axe and stab him to death in one riposte