Just finished this today. Should I move on to Invisible War or Human Revolution, next?

Play IW.

why isn't Invisible War back compat yet

i played DX:IW and seriously...there is barely anything (good) i can remember.

DX:HR was waaay better...not as awsome as DX1, but really worth playing.

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mankind divided is better then human revolution and iw is shit

the intro blew my mind when i replayed it back then

when playing it first time, i had no clue at all, whats going on

This.
Just play them like you're playing a generic shallow console game and you'll be fine. Don't expect a good story or difficult gameplay or anything deep really

you can definitely get away with not playing IW, nobody really discusses it anywhere
if you like the first Deus Ex then you're better off playing mode for it as the series changes drastically from here

bullshit

HR was really good, MD feels like a large Demo
waaay to short...and the story and all was also better in HR

>HR was really good
Story made no sense. Nobody would ever riot over the ability to get a mechanical arm.

How does Deus Ex compare to System Shock 2?

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both are pretty different. even though it is optional deus ex is way more designed around being a stealth game and system shock 2 is like survival horror.

They were basically rioting over affordable healthcare (augmentation medicines)

IW isn't actually bad.
Just don't really expect it to be a good game.
But you do get to murder two schoolgirls if you're into that.
There's a silencer in the tutorial lab you start in - get it before you leave and attach it to a pistol.
Congrats, you're stealthing most areas now.

stop. you're done.

You know that these demos where purposefully heated up right?

Let's see
>One game is set in a sci-fi space station, the other is set in a cyberpunk dystopian Earth
>One has you completely alone, the only dialogue are the audio logs and a crazy AI mocking you, the other has shitloads of people for you to talk with
>One has it's gameplay based on survival, the other on stealth

Invisible War is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be but it is definitely far from the original deus ex in terms of quality
Human Revolution is an entirely different experience and is a prequel to both

In short play whatever you want

It's terrible in that it changed so much of the mechanics to suit the Xbox platform.
Universal ammo, no skills, they ruined my waifu, a lack of exploration early on really kills it.

It's not a bad game but it's clearly terrible since it was limited drastically by the Xbox

play gmdx

Lead Designer Harvey Smith said this

"I feel like we f----- up the technology management of it, [...] We had bad team chemistry. We wrote the wrong renderer. We wrote the wrong kind of AI. And then we shipped too early. The story was even bad. Like, it wasn't a bad story story. It was more like we moved into the future, which – we didn’t realize at the time – undermined a lot of what made Deus Ex great."

sums it up quite well

>cyberpunk
Deus ex is not cyberpunk. It is a near future with sci-fi elements, but it is for the most parted grounded-- or at least WAS until HR fucked the asthetic.

In many levels,that intro is pure kino
>All the scenes take place in maps that you will later revisit through the game
>Almost every major group that appears is mentioned, but in a way that you don't know what they are talking about until you actually go there. From the old men (Iluminatti) to why Simons is converned about Savage and the X51
>Even Maggie Chow is making a cameo

This was easily the most disappointing thing about IW, MD and HR

The narrative of the new games is just garbage. The original game was about taking contemporary issues from when the game was made like terrorism, the massive increase in corporate power etc and logically extrapolating them to a future setting. You then get an interesting narrative and a fictional universe that feels relatable and has the appearance of 'predicting' things because it was just building on current social and political trends in a logical way.

The HR and MD narrative is just making up a totally hypothetical social issue and 'debate' out of nowhere then trying to clumsily tie it in to modern day shit which just feels fake and stupid. Even if the hub in the new game is good its hard to take the whole setting and world seriously because of this.
The writing and universe for HR and MD just feel like the Black Mirror meme from Yea Forums to me

>WOT IF 50% OF PEOPLE HAD ROBOTIC LEGS AND THEN IT'S KIND OF LIKE APARTHEI

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>Location: Unknown.
>Time: Unknown.

youtu.be/Xb3adEypLcI

>dark city
>rainy nights
>neon ads with gookrunes

Nah it was 100% cyberpunk

I think that's the worst part about it.
DX intro: let's create a world riot, cause chaos, watch them beg us to help and then we will but only if they do what we want
DX:HR look, the police are corrupt, we're supplying militaries with war tech and there's some random group trying to take us out, you are our only help Jensen

It went from "interesting conspiracy theories that even as a fuckin 12 year old I could follow along enough to know this is a fucked up situation" to "BIG BAD TERRORIST GROUP!"

user, DX and to an extent, DX:IW was "a few decades into the future".
Cyberpunk was specifically set for HR/MD and marketed as such

Cyberpunk is literally “a few decades into the future”. Face it, if you’re in a future setting with night, rain, and neon, it is cyberpunk.

If you enjoyed the original deus ex I would say invisible war is worth a run just to see the shit show first hand. Do not forget to kill American Asuka on your way past.

>The fact that MJ12 lab was level 4 of UNATCO HQ all along was supposed to be a surprise to me, didn't even get spoilers in Yea Forums
>Get spoiled by my fucking augmented brother for talking too much with him on the medical lab
God fucking damnit, Paul. I should have left you in Hell's Kitchen

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shut the fuck up user and stop trolling

What are you talking about?

The game implied the vast majority of the civilized world had augmentations, which would obviously not happen in real life because they're fucking pointless.

Deus ex didn't have rain

You do realize that DX takes place AFTER HR and MD right?

I mean setting wise, user.
Yeah it took place much sooner but it definitely felt more sci-fi and like shit out of star trek than something that's meant to be set 8 years from now.

What bothers me is that it tried to be too political based on today. DX hit everything, libs, conservs, socialists, etc.

HR tried to be "modern" while being "more advanced" than DX and it showed

IW has some interesting ideas but overall it feels like a reaaaally dumb down sequel. The levels are ridiculously small, the missions are too simple, and the gameplay is pretty piss poor. Everything has been simplified for consoles at the time.

HR is great, even if the story is weaker than the original DX.

All the games in the series are good. Most people think Invisible War is the weakest but it was decent for its time and compared to the garbage out now, it's great. First Deus Ex game I played and it was on the original Xbox.

Human Revolution is the best game in the series.

DX was political in the sense that it showcased politics.
HR and MD were political in the sense that they pushed a real life political idea. AKA they're trash.

IW is the definition of meh, HR is really good

How? It was shallow as fuck.

Better graphics. More cinematic. Gameplay is very graspable compared to dated 90s games. Not as much forced dialogue to sit through

It helped that DX had a protagonist who actually did care about politics. Alex and Adam both showed only lukewarm reaction to it, neither of them had anything of value to say.

How much time do I need to finish this game if I am really dumb and get lost a lot?

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Somewhere under 60 hours, but that's if you really do get lost a lot and have to backtrack all the time.

To give you an idea It took me around 46 hours to finished my first run, and that includes lots of fucking around, getting lost and seeing what happens if I do or say X instead of Y.

Yeah if you played the original game then it'll be obvious how inferior they are. However they regularly go on sale for a couple of bucks.

>all these brainlet nostalgia goggle faggots overrating the writing in Deus Ex
The Picus section alone in HR had infinitely smarter, better writing than ANYTHING in Deus Ex. DE's biggest problem is that it displays all these conspiracies in far too grand and broad a manner. You see them only at a mass level and in their final form so it's impossible to really give a fuck about them or feel any sort of anger on behalf of the people getting fucked over.

The genius in HR was zooming in far, far closer, to how these conspiracies are actually employed to manipulate the common man, their nuts and bolts and how they affect him. I was particularly impressed by how beautifully the game demonstrated how you can get retards to give up their freedom if you just rile them up with enough fear. It's not a new concept but no game has done it as well as HR.

Sorry you ended up getting spoiled. I think that moment of entering UNATCO HQ from MJ12's labs was the most shocked I have ever been from a video game.

I disagree on every point.
The art direction was ugly and uninspired, more cinematic means shallower because melee got removed, story was shit, world was shit.

It's Far Cry: Deus Ex. It's fine if you have very shitty taste and like this sort of safe casual shit with no message, but don't go saying it's better than the original because it isn't.

Cinematic takedowns are definitely the most appalling thing about the new games.
If they at least had the decency to keep you in first person while the cutscene takes place, I wouldn't be as bothered.

What the fuck was so smart about Picus?

>DE's biggest problem is that it displays all these conspiracies in far too grand and broad a manner.
And HR doesn't?
You didn't actually explain how Picus was better written than anything in DX.

Did you read the emails or just rush through going bang bang? Watching the people running it discuss with each other how they can shape the news to push their narrative is pretty groundbreaking shit for videogames, and that's just on the top floors where people are just being dirty biased scumbags. Then you get to the secret lower floors and you can see how they're digitally adding in berserk police Box Guards into riot scenes to stoke even more animosity and unrest in the populace. Nothing in DE1 was that fucking good. 'Hurdur we will infect people with a disease and only we will have the cure, also it was us that blew up the statue of liberty all along!' is fucking snidely whiplash by comparison.

Damn, this game is long. I'm afraid I'll have to pass it.

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You finished that trash game and you want more? Yikes.

>nothing in DE1 one was that good
How about the main plot of a fucking artificial virus made to control the population, you fucking idiot

Those takedowns were some of the best parts of the new games. It did a lot to fix the 'you're just two arms and a viewbox' feeling the originals had.

>under 100 hours
>long
Lazy bait, but (You) got me.

Kek

stop eating all that sugary shit and start eating meat, bud
quit coffee too if you're addicted to it as well as sugar
Your attention span will jump through the roof.

Invisible war.
Human Revolution SUCKS!

>directly mentions the snidely whiplash shit I was making fun of as being smart or nuanced

It's long and rewarding, specially after arriving in Hong Kong, that is when the game's pace increases exponentially as you reach almost endgame equipment and get all augs.
Also disregarding the non lethal rule with Majestic 12 troops makes things faster, and you don't have to feel remorse because they knew fully well where they were getting into and nobody complaints.

>I will describe [thing that I like] nicely
>BUT [thing I dont like] IS HUR DUR BAD AND DUMB
kill yourself

It's executed well in HR, there's a lot of variety and they change depending on the context in a way that makes sense. MD was lazier with that, it's one of the few areas that it didn't improve the gameplay. But I think having dedicated melee weapons would be better, you can always save the cutscenes for high level abilities.

>rich fag wants to run the world with the help of a shadowy organization
>OMG SUCH A GREAT STORY NEVER BEFORE TOLD!!!
It's literally the same outline for IW and nuDX, the story isn't what made og great unless it's literally the first story you've ever seen you sniveling sheep

Wow
Imagine not being able to understand the story.
also spoiler alert next time ffs

Don't have too much time to play and I don't want to spend weeks and weeks on the same game because when I inevitably get lost, I'll probably feel like dropping it.
Why would I quit sugar? Also, I think it was all the weed I used to smoke.
I'll still give it a shot because I really feel like it is going to be worth.

Articulate in your own words what made HR better.

Those emails are about as subtle as a brick wall

>Hi,

>This is just a short message to congratulate everyone on the handling of the Washington Hearings.

>This was a very important issue lying at the very heart of the interests we at Picus aim to defend. According to various analysts and poll firms, our campaign around the Hearings made the pro-regulation parties gain as high as 32 points in various polls.

>Congratulations!

>Philip Kingry
>Special Projects
>Picus Confidential

Sorry buddy, you're just a fucking imbecile. "I will make people sick with a disease only I have the cure to!" is fucking Austin Powers tier, it is a joke, it's not at all interesting or has anything whatsoever to do with the world we actually live in. If your evil conspiracy is so divorced from reality what is even the fucking point.

J

>But I think having dedicated melee weapons would be better, you can always save the cutscenes for high level abilities.
My issue with that is that first person stealth melee kills have always felt like shit, because the fact is, you ARE just two arms and a viewbox. Having to do the shimmy in Deus Ex/IW when I was trying to stealth incapacitate with a melee weapon always felt like shit.

>Why would I quit sugar?
It's a drug. You consume it because if you don't you'll suffer from the withdrawal symptoms.

Just saying if you want your attention span back. If you don't want it then do whatever you want.

>it's not at all interesting or has anything whatsoever to do with the world we actually live in
You think biomedical companies overcharging for their drugs has nothing to do with the modern world?

And the Hyron project was somehow better?

Sorry buddy, you're just a fucking imbecile. "Media is bad! It controls the information!" is fucking Austin Powers tier, it is a joke, it's not at all interesting or has anything new to offer as a story. If your evil conspiracy is just journalists not being honest then what is even the fucking point.

They're not supposed to be subtle. Picus is only supposed to seem unbiased to the people consuming the news, not the fucking people actually working at the place. The people there are clear on what the agenda is and the people below understand what narrative they are supposed to push. Just like CNN.

This is the equivalent of saying a CCd email where people at a company celebrate with each other over their stock options going up is unsubtle. There's no reason for them to be wink wink nudge nudge in that environment to begin with.

You're a casual and you like your casual little shallow product, we get it.

That's a pretty far fucking cry from holding people hostage with a cure to the disease you made which is, again, Austin Powers shit. What you're describing would be a hell of a lot more like the Neuropazine storyline in HR. So you're really just arguing my point.

>when you wanted to the classic NPC 'no u' response but realized the austin powers shit really was so stupid that you had to edit the counterpoint to be 'nothing new to offer as a story'
Thanks, that was satisfying.

Actually it's because media not being honest is a thing happening right now.

>It's a drug. You consume it because if you don't you'll suffer from the withdrawal symptoms.
Yeah, thats true, but I also consume it because lots and lots of good stuff have sugar in it.
Why does consuming sugar take away my attention span?

I accept your surrender.

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Neuropozyne and Ambrosia are essentially the same plot point so I don't know why you're so fixated on it being bad in DX only

A brain that is addicted to a substance doesn't work as well as one that isn't.
Give it a try.
Also do your own research, don't be an idiot asking for people to hand things to him.

That is not remotely true. Neuropozyne is presented as them jacking up the price and making people desperate, Ambrosia is just straight up 'vote the way I want you to or this disease I engineered will kill you'. No one rich or powerful in HR is affected by the Neuropoz shortage, it's strictly a pleb problem.

>vote the way I want you to or this disease I engineered will kill you
that doesnt happen
you didnt play the game

>lots of good stuff have sugar in it
Like what?
And don't say fruit because it doesn't have enough vitamins to be eaten for those. They're literally balls of sugar.

I distinctly remember an exchange where an infected senator was blackmailed by Page into voting some kind of way with the promise he'd get Ambrosia.

The Ipad game is actually decent if you don't use guns.

yeah, literally in the intro

What's so bad about it?

You should move on to System Shock 2, then Thief Deadly Shadows (with the mod that removes the in-level loading), then Bloodlines.

Not OP but why SS2 instead of the first one?

Well I just named the worthwhile immersion sim games that came after Deus Ex (missed Arx Fatalis though).

Obviously he should definitely play Ultima Underworld, System Shock, Thief the Dark Project and The Metal Age if he liked Deus Ex.

I wouldn't say it's bad exactly, it just badly lacks nuance and makes the stakes way too high right from the start.

>lacks nuance
Elaborate
>makes the stakes way too high right from the start
Elaborate on this as well. How's that a problem?

It is also like that in DX. Page artificially created a shortage of Ambrosia and It is mostly a pleb problem as people like UNATCO employees, the mayor of NYC or that senator do have access to the cure.It's just that Page used his ability to give a preferential treatment on the vaccine to the senator to convince him to place Simons at the head of FEMA.
Ambrosia and the Gray Death were just means to get the population angry,make them riot and eventually justify a tighter control even resorting to military grade troops and bots.Not to mention the surveillance with Aquinas and Icaria which are the main weapon of Page's endgame.

Well, if that's why, I'd have to go full healthy to keep my mind "clean", and I'm not that kind of a person. And I asked you because you could have a simple answer that would be enough for me. Or you could reply a link to a good article about the subject. Asking is not a problem if don't get mad if you don't want to hand me these things.
I don't know. Now that I think about it, I think I only drink Coke way too much, but not too much sugar if not in soda. Fruit is a ball of sugar? If that's true, I'll probably die at 27.

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>the only dialogue are the audio logs and a crazy AI mocking you
That's not dialogue. Dialogue is when two or more speakers exchange words. In SS2 you listen to recordings or monologues.

Just cut it back a bit and consume healthier food that has animal fat and protein.
Example: eggs, meat, raw cheese.
If you want vitamins you don't eat fruit you eat liver. Liver has so many vitamins that if you actually need to be careful or you'll get vitamin A poisoning. You'd need like a thousand apples to get that with fruit, and you'd get diabetes long before that point lmao
Seriously though do some research. The food pyramid made by the American Department of Agriculture is a fucking travesty full of grains, vegetables, and fruit which throughout human history have only been side foods, not the main source of nutrition.

I would just ignore the next titles and stick to modding deus ex.

>Like, it wasn't a bad story story.
"Let's make every ending kinda sorta happen at the same time, obviating player agency from the first game. This isn't even bad storytelling, honest!"

Cringe

neither.
play it again instead, but choose a different path this time. and talk to every npc.

based & redpilled.

>Elaborate
Do you really need me to elaborate on how that lacks nuance? It's such brute force hurdur shit. It's not manipulation, it's hardly even conspiracy. It's essentially just a basic bitch threat, the kind of thing that might seem compelling by the standards of the plot in a call of duty game but fucking lame in something like Deus Ex.
>Elaborate on this as well. How's that a problem?
When you start off at a hundred miles per hour it leaves you nowhere to go. The fun of a conspiracy is discovering it, unraveling it, seeing how far it goes. When you IMMEDIATELY how and why the guy can make the senate of the united states vote the way he wants, most of what happens after that is you going down, not up, to find out about pettier plots. Maybe this is just my opinion but I feel as though the stakes should really build and escalate in this sort of a genre, and that only happens at the very, very end where Page is about to become a technogod. Honestly, Deus Ex 1 is more of a game about secret societies and Bob Page than it is about conspiracies themselves.

I still like it, I think it's one of the best games of all time and a great starting point, but I'm definitely gonna suck its dick like the tasteless pseuds that pretend it's the only good game in the series.

>choose a different path this time
You didn't play the game

>not revision

You don't make a strong case, sorry I'm not convinced.

ready for the best easter egg no one but me talks about????
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SET COLORS

STEEL AND STARLIGHT

>It is also like that in DX. Page artificially created a shortage of Ambrosia and It is mostly a pleb problem as people like UNATCO employees, the mayor of NYC or that senator do have access to the cure.
They have access to the cure only if they do what Bob Page says. Neuropoz has nowhere near that sort of power in HR.

Well there is one dialogue between Shodan and the Soldier...

gmdx removes this easter egg because mods are made by brainlattes

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choose a different ending, for the mentally challenged

I'll probably try since I'm already trying to eat more eggs and these kind of things. Liver is shit, I'm sorry, but I'd rather take a bullet.
And the American Departament of Agriculture is probably 100% corrupt so that large farmers can make more money, so I wouldn't really trust them anyway

you see, choosing a different path is made in your mind, not on screen. i know you lack the capacity to understand the difference, still...

>Deus ex is not cyberpunk
>It is a near future with sci-fi elements

user, I...

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the whole album is fire

That's alright, as long as you never try to present that Austin Powers shit as this spectacular piece of writing like the drones that overrate DE1 I'm fine.

Play Invisible War, it's not that bad in a modern computer since loading times are like 2 seconds now.
I'd say IW is like a watered down Deus Ex, but the story is still there for the most part and it has a very satisfying conclusion and the gadgets are a lot of fun.
Human Revolution is it's own thing, gameplay wise is probably better than IW, but it didn't feel like Deus Ex for me, it's more like a gay French GitS.
Also I'm serious when I say that the story and characters are complete shit.

it's just one reason the game is so good, unlike its awful sequels and reboots. lots to it without shoehorning the player. an extinct art in the days of vidya gayness

This is a real spoiler, not a fake one, so don't highlight this if you haven't played IW.

The worst part about the game is how the Queeqeg's/Other Coffee Shop sidequest spoils the big tweest about how The Order and the other dudes are the same people at the top.

You pick the ending in the last 5 seconds. Nothing you do in the playthrough matters

THAT'S HOW THE GAME PROGRESSES NATURALLY

Understandable about the liver. I personally like liver a lot but find chicken to be too gross to eat, you gotta live with quirks like that.
Anyways good luck user

Wrong, plenty of powerful people have access, Manderley literally tells you that if you fail retrieving Ambrosia you would have to answer to the mayor himself because his daughters are sick, which means they would have get their dose anyway, and one of the UNATCO soldiers say that after retrieving the cure they wouldn't have Gray Death in the HQfor a month or something.
The only case where that happens is the senator ,like I said previously, and he only puts him on a priority list. Favours like that, not even needing deadly diseases,are not rare in politics unfortunately, It is just basic corruption.

play pathologic

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DE1 is also known for the world it built, which was much better than Human "everybody and their dog has an augmented leg and arm" Revolution.
Plus the story in DE1 was much better, despite you sperging about it.

>a very satisfying conclusion
Various stages of "lol you loose because grimdark" isn't satisfying in any way, shape or form.

nothing wrong with that

if you want
they're all flawed in their very own ways though

Wut? At least 2 of the endings are a positive outcome for you. You die in 1 of them and either die or become the most powerful intelligent being alive in the last one.
Also anything is better than HR's lame voice overs.

>DE1 is also known for the world it built, which was much better than Human "everybody and their dog has an augmented leg and arm" Revolution.
It's literally the same world, the only difference is presentation. HR is more concerned with showing how these conspiracies are actually carried out/affect the plebs at the street level whereas DE is more interested in delving into secret societies and the power struggles therein.
>Plus the story in DE1 was much better, despite you sperging about it.
Nope, you're just a pseud with nostalgia goggles that can't accept his favorite videogame isn't really that special plotwise.

youtube.com/watch?v=wy1TmG2tyG8

set your colors to steel and starlight and listen to this whole fucking album while not dying

mankind divided is honestly underrated. story aside, it feels way more like a spiritual successor to the original game than anything else in the series

Also IW is loading screen simulator deluxe, even with an ssd you still spend too much time staring at a ton of loading screens

>positive outcome
>You die
>and either die
Also, it's not "either die or become the most powerful intelligent being alive", it's both. Kinda sorta. Like everything in IW. Kinda sorta acceptable writing, kinda sorta acceptable characters, kinda sorta not completely shit gameplay.

Thanks, you may have contributed to increase my life span. Also, I think Skyrim and Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA are great games.

2 good endings, 1 bad one and 1 ambiguous. That's fine by me.
Also they are all logical conclusions for the story, require playing the last level differently instead of pressing a fucking button and come with a neat cinematic. Except perhaps the Templar ending, why would you willingly choose that one?

I enjoyed Skyrim with Ordinator a lot.
Vanilla is unplayable to me t b h

Human Revolution is the only game worth playing, but if you're absolutely nuts for Deus Ex feel free to play IW, The Fall, Mankind Divided and other subpar releases.

>2 good endings
Losing is good. Gotcha.

I thought that by saying that you would regret helping people being healthy and would start telling them to start smoking, since we are in a Deus Ex thread. Anyway, I actually kinda like Skyrim too. Its that kind of game that I dont ever feel like playing again once I'm finished, but it was enjoyable if I ignore the downgrades from previous games.