Can we get a drakengard appreciation thread going?

Drag on Dragoon 1 and 3 are enormous piles of shit that I will never regret playing in any way. The only games that came close to giving me the same general feeling of punishing myself for a special reward that almost nobody else would be able to fully appreciate was Rain World and Fallen London.

>Fallen London
Always debated whether that was worth getting into. Heard it had similar pacing issues to Sunless Sea, where the setting and stories are barrels of fun, but actually getting to them is a bit of a chore to wade through.

>inb4 gameplay sucks ass
so the game sucks, what's left to talk about?

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The fucked up music.

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And just the fucked up nature of it in general

queen of the harpies queen of the harpies

ok so which ending was more fucked up? the one where the sister becomes those monsters or the babies

babies. still fucking creepy and i hate children because of it

crazy story that leads to nier

babies didnt scare me, I will go with the sister taking over the world with harpies of death

I honestly think the nier ending is pretty fucked up, just considering the future that follows

eh we at least get to see what happens. In the harpies ending it's just screeches of doom

The soundtrack is so damn perfect for this game. It enhances the experience so damn much and it brings it to the next level. I wonder if there's any other game that has a soundtrack similar to it.

Is there a reason that logo looks like a treble clef?

No doubt because of ending E (maybe)

Well, the final battle is a fight against the song heralding the end of the world.

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But really I think it's just supposed to look cool.

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pretty fucked up wouldnt you say?

I cant understand Japanese! nor Italian

Is Drakengard worth playing?

camera sucks ass

i really like the fact that its the people with good intentions the one that fucks up the most while the monsters like caim or zero are the ones actually trying to fix things

no

if you like Yoko taro shitty game play no, but if you want his stories of how humanity keeps killing its self then yes.

>good intentions
well its starts out like that then they loose their shit

Just so anons know that isnt snow in the background, its salt.

Never played a Yoko Taro game.

papa nier never did, one neither, only inuart goes nuts

nier automata?
that's the most recent. That one was really good. Basically all his games are connected. Drakengaurd 1 ending E leads to connect to Nier Gestalt/Replicant
then that leads to Nier Automata. Drakengaurd 3 is the prequel to Drakengaurd . Drakengaurd 2 is a sequel to Drakengaurd 1 but it's not made by Yoko taro and isnt canon.

which papa nier...

>music starts out brazen and hard like you're supposed to enjoy killing a bunch of shit
>winds up sounding distorted and confusing, with unnatural sounds for the era it takes place in, and randomly cuts to different tracks for a brief second
This game is fucking brilliant and Yoko Taro is a very troubled man.

Haven't played any of the Nier games. Should I play them in chronological or release order?

Old Testament style.

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neither

play them in any order you like it will still make your head full of fuck.
just ignore Drakengaurd 2 that one isnt canon.

Release. And Drakengard 3 is neither terribly good nor very important plotwise despite technically being the origin.
And whatever you do, avoid spoilers.

Caim's fun because everyone just sort of accepts him as the lesser of two evils. So his companions react to him in sheer disgust and horror the entire time, but keep traveling with him anyway because what's the alternative?

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exactly

crazy how Yoko ties in the power of Song into Nier replicant. The scientists hear a song before they go nuts.

lol even the priest goes crazy and freaks over the end of the world. this dude pic related, mercs his own pact.

The only games I think really benefit from playing in order are the two Niers, because Automata has several characters and plot threads that heavily connect to details from the first game.

Otherwise, everything else is generally a standalone story with vague references to one another.

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what scientists?

Weird music for such a generic playing game
Child cannibalism
Pedophilia
Incestuous feelings resulting in suicide
Giant maneating demon babies with electric wings being birthed from a sky vagina to bring forth the end of the world by devouring time itself
How adorable Mana is

in the notes you find in Replicant, you find out what happens to the scientists studying the red eyes and the gestalt process.

She's a good kid.

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>ruins the world in the first game
>proceeds to ruin the world in the second game as well
I'm almost impressed.

and how did they managed to get screwed over by the power of song in nier's world?

Don't forget that she also shits all over the childhood friend of the protag and cucks her

Well that bit wasn't her fault. Nowe was just a genuine dumbass.

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If we're gonna get technical I'd blame Manah's mother before Manah herself.

You have to be a pretty shit parent for your kid to think that man-eating horrors from beyond the veil of time and space make for a more loving guardian than you.

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it was the the voice that killed humanity, you know the one that turned them into beast or pillars of salt. The song is that voice.

does mannah's mom become that queen beast or was the queen beast just Zero brought back?

Manah's real mother was just a bitch, not a cosmic horror.

It isn't confirmed that Zero was the Queen Beast that Caim fought, but I think the obvious similarities in appearance still imply that there's at least a clear connection between the flower in her eye and the watchers.

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that pic
anyways I have a theory of who the watchers and the flower and the black flower are.
Spoiler from here on:
I think it's the Dragon Angelus and the rest of the dragons who contract the red eye and devoured the world and are trying to invade other time lines.

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she could be branch B zero, or what's left of her anyway, but that doesn't really make sense since we know how her grotesquerie looks like, i don't think they are related at all

well this helps a lot.

well that's only after she killed her sisters, maybe the former 1 after being sealed away by Mikeal.

you know the weirdest part of it all. The entire game centers around a very disturbed world, literally a backwards Europe. The end of the world comes and I dont think that this is a bad thing.

she did killed her sisters in branch B too, she simply didn't got killed by mikhail after it, there's no reason for her grotesquerie to be any different than what you see in branch D

THIS IS NOW A DRAKENGARD OST THREAD.
YOU WILL POST YOUR FAVORITE TRACKS IN THE OST.
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The gameplay really isn't that painful, it's just painfully simple with a few annoying enemies that are countered by your summons. The fuckhuge levels and insane enemy counts add to the grueling atmosphere in tandem with the music and constant party banter. Besides the lack of movement options, the game's actually a really nice package that achieves what it sets out to do, and that create a game that feels like an absolute fucking nightmare that you can't help but go deeper and deeper through. Never once do you ever feel like you actually succeeding at saving the world outside of slaughtering thousands of enemies, and it's wonderful in that sense. Each ending is significantly worse and you still press on as a player because somehow you managed to actually get attached to this lot of fucked-up characters in a horrible, horrible world.

Also the flight levels are actually fun, straight up.Those were cool, and I legitimately think the game has one of the most brilliant video game osts to date. The way it tricks your brain into thinking something's off musically by skipping key notes, while still maintaining a catchy rhythm among the intentional dissonance, is really unique on top of the fact that it actually pulls this off.

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The ost should also be praised for how much it manages to get more and more distorted till you get to the end and you start to question wether it can even be called music anymore.

I sure as hell get triggered when I hear bells go off now.

Don't listen to this user, they're retarded.

yeah but Zero had to give herself over to the flower for Mikhail to kill. We dont see Zero as any thing in Branch B but it is implied she turned herself into the flower to save Mikhail's life. I feel so bad for Mikhail too. He tried so hard to make things a better place only to die alone.

I had a theory that the Queen Beasts we see Zero and her sisters turn into could potentially go on to eventually resemble the Queen Beast at the end of Drakengard 1, considering that the only major difference between them is their hair, and that could potentially fade or wither away over time.

But that's just speculation. There could be any number of Queen Beasts already out there. Though the flowers could be their means of reproduction.

the OST is really trying to make you feel something is wrong. Like all the time. This world you are in is fucked from start to end. I mean you play as a murderer who wants revenge and the party that is with you isnt a group of saints. They are Timeless Child who is prototype Emil, a pedophile, an asshole priest, and a cannibal.
This was in the late 90s early 2000s where devs in Japan were hot off of Evangelion's dick and thought of the Christian God as more of a cruel God than a loving one.
So this story reflects that human weakness giving into hate and destroying the world. Really similar a Shakespearean Tragedy.

I just thought the queen beast was what ever woman gave herself over to the watchers at that time.
Also wasnt it said that the Dragons were the Gods? or were they created the same time as the gods

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i downloaded sinoalice for this one, i was pretty dissapointed to know that you'll hear this once every few months, if you are lucky

The dragons were apparently created by the gods with the original purpose of wiping out humanity before they rebelled.

Or something like that. Ending C doesn't make a lot of sense.

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which game is this again 1 or 3?

>So this story reflects that human weakness giving into hate and destroying the world
I think what makes this such a power theme in Drakengard is because it's the logic that the world and narrative function on, -regardless- of the actual characters and their actions. I specify that because both Leonard, Caim, and Angelus all grow by the end of the game and get absolutely no retribution for it. Leonard disregards his fear and cowardice, Caim actually shows empathy towards Angelus despite being nothing more than a shell for his revenge the entirety of the game, and Angelus straight up sacrifices herself for humanity despite being an entirely different race. Fuck, even the kid sacrifices himself for the good of everyone. But with ending E as the closer, all your hard work, all the character's pain, all they've learned? None of it makes a single fucking difference as Caim and Angelus are needlessly murdered by a blindside missile. It's the most awful ending I think I've ever seen, and it's absolutely wonderful for being so evil on a narrative level.

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1.

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what's the point of rebelling if god can bruteforce you to whatever you were meant to? i don't think ending C was about that, dragons knew their purpose already and just went through it

o did original nier turn into the shadowlord becuase his book was the bad one and weiss was the good one?Explain pls.Why did all the shadows first appear and the books?Why does nier say for his daughter not to touch the book?
Emulate it.You will only play for the story and dragon gameplay maybe.

If Nier is anything to go by, I guess they succeeded.

Grimoire noir served as a way to seperate soul from body, while both weiss and noir served to reconnect the gestalts and replicants back into one human. by touching Noir you began the gestalt process

there's no good or bad book, weiss simply doesn't remember his true purporse, when the books fuse the shades are forced into their replicants, or something like that

>Midgard News Today
>War ended with the genocidal dictator being picked up and tickled into submission

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Straight up try it for yourself, emulate if you need to. It's an absolutely god awful piece of shit of a game with a bewildering story and sound track that kept me hooked enough to 100% it. LPs don't do it justice, either.

You guys fucking get it.

THIS. It's a game you just have to experience yourself. It's like slowly losing your mind, but fuck, its worth it

Is it sad that i bought a ps2 specifically for drakengard?

>sinoalice is finally getting localized
It could be awful but i'll play it and save up to roll the dod3/nier/Auto characters

I'm genuinely so fucking happy to see all the love drakengard is getting in this thread. I thought i was alone in loving the piece of shit game

it is awful
>t. 225k power

well funny thing that, Yoko taro likes to make his games based more on realistic endeavours. Where people in reality never really learn or grow when it comes to voilence. He stated that his games were so violent was because in reality the world was so violent. Simply a reflection on how we tolerate this shit only to allow it to get worse and living with it.
Good actions wont be rewarded because the good action is supposed to be a reward on it's own. However such is life, Many people in reality who act selfishly get what they want where as for those in the greater good end up with nothing but a cleansed soul.

>open-world
stop right there

I can only picture Caim as darkid's portrayal of him

Project Gestalt has a lot of the info that is only revealed in side-content outside of the main game.

The project scientists found a way to separate people's souls (or Gestalts) from their bodies to save humanity from the plague, but they couldn't stop them from "relapsing" and going insane when they did so. So the scientists needed to find a perfect specimen who didn't go insane after separation and could be used to feed data to all the other gestalts and help them maintain awareness.

So they created multiple books like Grimoire Noir and handed them out to survivors with emergency supplies, not telling them that touching the book would initiate the process. So when Yonah touched it, she started to relapse and break down almost immediately because she was already sickly, but Nier didn't. Either through luck or willpower or whatever, he became known as the "Original Gestalt" that was necessary for Project Gestalt to work. So the scientists convinced him that they could someday find a cure for Yonah in return for his help with keeping the project going, basically stringing him along for centuries.

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Well yah, Yoko Taro is fucking nuts. However its reality that fed his insanity. The selfish actions of people and how others allow it while others can never get away with it can be maddening. I think apart of that reality reflects his work.

Ay I loved Drakengard as is, but I always wished that there was a way to explore more of the actual world and fantastical side-stories that we keep hearing about but don't always see. Something Nier's size that allows for more character side-quests and the like.

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Anyone got a good render of the Cult logo? I love Yoko Taro stuff, I hope this thread doesn't succumb to shitposters and Automata secondaries

you know what's even crazier?
Those books and the gestalt process? Were all forms of Pact Magic being used to stop the red eye plague.
First the Books were originally just books but a bunch of people were put into a room who had magic affinity and were told to kill each other using those books. Those books once used sucked the user into them turning them into Grimoire. That's why they can talk.
Then the Gestalt process is simply a Pact reversal. instead of making two souls in to one with a pact. They separated the soul from the body.

All I got.

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/r/ing the cute pictures Taros wife drew of pic related

Not really the logo but fucking dope either way

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I always felt bad that we didn't get more of Rubrum's character in-game.

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look up Eve's tattoo. It's the same symbol.

Thanks, better than nothing

man that's cool as fuck

It's a very unique experience that I find really powerful with how strong the themes are, and how they're present in every aspect of the game. Easily one of my favorite games despite the dips when killing 2000 enemies can feel like a slog, but there's nothing else specifically like it. It's funny how something so terrible, thematically, can also be such a huge source of joy, because I really love Caim and Angelus as characters and a couple/duo. Despite their bad ending, I feel like I'm also glad to have known them in a literary sense. Taro sort of makes a point that everyone eventually dies, so I guess you just learn to be grateful for the life before the end.

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fuck I only read the LN, I dont ever remember there was a game where we get to play the magic users who fought King Red Eye and the white monsters.

Does anyone know what the fuck the source of this image is? I'd kill to have it at a higher resolution so I could print in poster size.

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Regarding your last point, I didn't get that vibe at all. I read the story more of all the characters, especially Inuart are unhappy to say the least with their life, and so do everything in their power to either change that or to take it out on everyone else.
NieR is more about the beauty and transient nature of life I think, but not Drakengard

I think it's because they face reality with scorn like any person would. Thing is they still bring about their own downfall, and dont stop it.

Drakengard is all about how cruel the world and the people in it really are. Nier is about the redemption of those people and that world through the actions of outsiders

>I dont ever remember there was a game where we get to play the magic users who fought King Red Eye and the white monsters.
There isn't. Rubrum still briefly shows up though.

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that's the basis of a tragic story. They see injustice or something that drives them to destroy everything including themselves out of spite of the society that allowed this to happen.

I thought Nier was more about the potential harsh reality of good intentions as perceived through different perspectives.

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use yandex

Says a lot that one of the few times I got emotional because of a loving relationship in a game it's the one between the psychotic murderer and the misanthrope dragon.

NieR is definitely all about perspective, the most powerful moment for me and the moment that really made me fall in love with the game was when you see why the wolves did what they did

oh right. I wish Yoko would have made that into a game. But he likes to use large gaps in time to make the background of his games. It's funny, every game he made is pretty much a story on the end of the world. Like all the games are about the fall out of one world ending only to be the cause of another era ending.

>Bro Caim
I always wished that Drakengard 2 was about Manah and Caim's changing dynamic.

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Its a good view that's for sure. I always saw it as the attempts to fix the world that was destroyed by selfish and cunt people, though not necessarily doing a good job, but at the same time showing that things aren't as black and white as they seem

>step into the desert
>get instantly ganked by a huge pack of wolfs
>whaaa why are they killing us
yeah the wolf shade can go fuck himself for all i care

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Sounds like you didn't play the entire game
Yeah but is this the district of soul flame

NieR was about taking a perspective of God almost. Humanity was literally God to the andriods and Machines life forms. The andriods were like the Angels and the machine lifeforms were like Humans. Andriods didnt evolve while machines did. The machines made mistakes on purpose to make themselves evolve. So you really had Angels attacking mortals.

My last point more so just extrapolating on my own worldview, and how it's similar to Taro's to a lesser extent. That said, I think it does apply to a certain extent nonetheless. The game definitely goes out of its way to make everyone out as tragic even if they are no long -good- people. These are bad things happening to probably bad people, but doesn't make it any less worse. Every ending is incredibly bittersweet though, because there's this sense of fighting against futility present in them. Every ending ends with brutal, unfair death, yet everyone keeps struggling regardless. Caim fucking stares down a world full of angels, and despite his bloodthirst, there's almost something noble about it. So that's why I sorta say there is still some acknowledgement of humanity and life despite how uncompromisingly cruel Drakengard is.

I might just be fucking rambling at this point, so I apologize in advance if this sounds like pretentious drivel.

The original researchers behind everything come across as desperate assholes who had ran out of options. But I can't blame the twins for any of it. Devola and Popola got a raw deal from start to finish.

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Oh I'm not talking about the researchers, they were the aforementioned cunts.

I dont even think those were the ones that fucked things up. But these two in particular were forced to deal with the fall out.

Nah it's good to see some actual discussion on this godforsaken board for once. I took the ending where Caim rushes out to mean Caim has given up and is essentially seeing how long he can last, knowing full well he will die pretty quickly. That to me is a nihilistic view, rather than a noble one.
Although speaking of tragedy, one of the most tragic parts of the Taroverse is the basic premise of Nier. To find Yonah some medicine or a cure, he has to venture out and spend less and less time with her.

i did user, the shade wolf was by far the worst backstory of the bosses, ofcourse they are killing them if they attack anyone on sight, the "they will learn" was specially annoying

Good take, but I was mainly referring to the first Nier.

Did you somehow miss the reason the wolves ARE attacking on sight?

only to find out there isnt one. Didnt the Gestalt die the Replicant would die to?

It's way more nihilistic then anything else, look at the ending in which they drop the Seere nuke and freeze time forever, nothing heroic about that and not a futile attempt to beat unsurmountable odds, since technically they do stop the grotesqueries that way.

I'm very honored to be the OP of an actual constructive and cohesive thread. I think only drakengard can bring us together like this considering how its such a nuanced and thematic game with a very small but extremely dedicated fan base

oh duh, sorry I thought NieR and there was Nier. lol, but yeah with Nier this was more of a story of does humanity deserved to be saved kind of thing. Only to come down to it as no. it doesnt.

Been a while since I played, but that's what I recall and it's why shades exist. The Replicants were supposed to have their souls put back into them, but that didn't happen and instead they became deranged shades

they get devoured in the process.

so you are telling me that the wolves never attacked anyone BEFORE they killed those specific wolves?, that's bullshit, the wolves conflict was there way before the shade took control of the pack, way before nier even found facade, want revenge, fine, but don't try to take the moral high ground before butchering brides

>He literally didn't play the rest of the game
Get off this thread and do it now

The gestalts you mean. Replicants were the human bodies, gestalts were the souls that turned into shades

>I took the ending where Caim rushes out to mean Caim has given up and is essentially seeing how long he can last, knowing full well he will die pretty quickly. That to me is a nihilistic view, rather than a noble one.
Ultimately I think that's a matter of perspective. To me, fighting is a statement in and of itself. Caim simply could have laid down his sword and walked, waiting for the end with open arms. Instead you can take away that he's planning to take down as many angels as he can -despite- the fact that it's useless, continuing to believe in his anger and resistance against the world itself when there is truly no hope left. So I wouldn't call that hopeful. But I would say that making that choice, to continue living for what you stand for, even if it is hatred and revenge, is in an almost detached sense, noble. At the same time, this surety and acceptance of death definitely feels nihilistic too. So I can easily see where you're coming from.

well if a shade becomes a shade the Replicant gets the black scrawl. But If a replicant kills it's own shade it also ceases to exist. I think that's why whats-her-name in the lingerie had to go back to the data tree to bring Nier back as a child.

It's hard to shitpost about a game that's objectively bad.
If you come in here and say "Yo this game sucks" every single fan will always tell you "Yep, sure does. Isn't it a fascinating shitshow?"

do i need to get the pic of the platinum for you? just say exactly what im missing because that was nothing but a shameless way to make you feel for the poor innocent shade wolf

mother fucking Drakengard. This game took me a year to tackle because it felt that tedious .... I fucking hunted starmen and pink flan and drakengard still beats it out. The weapons you have to find and some of the requirements to make events/gear to appear while maxing weapons and some of the god awful flying sequences. What cheeses me about this game is the last fucking boss. The whole game feels bizarre but then it throws the hardest curve ball and your stuck in a rhytm battle hell in modern day Tokyo. I would spend 30 minutes a day trying to beat this fucking cunt and it took me a week. I suddenly have the urge to dust my copy off and start and new game but then I remember all the bullshit you go through just to get to this cunt.

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The humans cut down their forest and slaughtered their young, leaving the wolves destitute. They wanted revenge, a big theme of Nier is that violence is never the answer and only begets more violence. Neither of them were in the right, but the game shows morality doesn't matter if you're being slaughtered
>Had to go back to the data tree to bring Nier back as a child
I don't remember this at all. I remember Kaine being petrified because of that giant shade in the library, but not as a child

Have you played 3? There's a similar boss where the screen goes black and you still have to time the rings
I see what you're getting at, and to me it sounds like you think Caim has a tiny chance to survive, even if its miniscule and that's what makes his rebellion noble. I thought he had 0 chance

Its ending E, in grimoire nier, not the actual game

I recently got 3 for 6 bucks off ebay. Been playing it bit by bit but I am not very far in it yet. Probably going to be the dame pace as the other two. Take a long time over several months.

The whole point of the wolf war was that everyone WAS fucking retarded, because there wasn't anyone left that could remember what they were fighting for in the first place. Any hope of understanding one another was gone because of that fact, tying in with the game's general theme of "perspective." Nobody was right and nobody was wrong, because you can only cast so much blame on a legitimate retaliatory action. An eye for an eye will eventually make the whole world go blind, but what else are you supposed to do while someone is trying gouge you out because circumstance makes it impossible for you to understand eachother.

I think it's what makes the game so tragic, and Replicant's retort to Gestalt so fucking raw.

>"I swore to protect my daughter and my friends. If someone puts them in danger, they must stand aside or be cut down!"

"If only" everyone could understand eachother then nothing bad would have happened, and that goes for almost every encounter in the game.

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based and tkmizpilled

the word for that is revenge, and sorry but i cannot feel sad for someone that attacks me as soon as he sees me, or a little girl for that matter, the message doesn't bother me, its the delivery, the way they show them so angelic while openly attacking people, so yeah, if you liked it cool, but the wolves can fuck off for all i care

not in the actual game. Blame Yoko for giving you a bad end where you have to look at side shit to find a satisfying ending.

That's one of the points of the game, look at what based tkmiz poster said.

>rings
well if you have any musical talent you can time it. But still you have to be really weird with that musical talent

>Caim has a tiny chance to survive
the beginning of the game he was dying. So if anything he was on borrowed time.

if everyone understood each other then there would be nothing left to learn. Kind of boring if you ask me.

>implying Caim of all people who had slaughtered possibly millions across all Playthroughs wouldn't be hardened enough to go toe to toe with the Angels
Caim's rad as fuck for all I care, I'd cheer him on if I saw him fighting those egg fucks.

Oh no, I realize Caim has zero chance of living. THAT'S what makes it so noble to me. Standing against futility. Not hopeful, since there is no other outcome but death, but noble instead. To me, you can't really say you've given up if you're still willing to bear arms, because surrender IS an option. The way I see it, why would Caim still slaughter knowing he's going to die? And the answer that comes to me is that it's because he still feels the desire for change, for a different outcome, for vindication. Still holding onto those feelings, even in the face of death, is what I'd call noble, though -maybe- that isn't quite the best word to use. Iunno.

Millions of human size opponents.
Anything bigger than that he needed Angelus' support.

or maybe he just wants to kill shit like he has for the whole game? because the thing about drakengard is that caim never really cared too much about why he was killing people

>why would Caim slaughter if he knew he was gonna die?
to drag people down with him. I dont think his intentions were noble in the slightest. When you are gonna die you are open with two options. Either find piece with it or run out the clock while taking all those around you down with you.
Being Noble is something liek fighting for a greater cause but Caim was revenge for his kingdom and mother and father.

The revenge part was just an excuse, you can see that he just really fucking loves killing stuff.

>Tfw no dragon waifu

Caim was a lucky dude.

yeah there isnt anything noble about that either.

dragons were actually genderless. up herethe pic is what Angelus looks evolved

>Not being able to platonically love a genderless being

yeah it's kinda my thing.

I still wish we knew exactly what the watchers were. and I dont want this thread to die.

You are out of your mind, it's much better for the watchers to stay mysterious beings that hate the fuck out of us for unconcievable reasons.

Oh no, I'm not trying to say Caim himself or his mindset is noble at all. I do think he is pretty fucking justified in trying to slaughter the army that ruined every aspect of his life, but I feel that his -actions- as statements are something that can almost be looked up to. Because he can't talk, I don't think it's 100% clear to what extent Caim is a mindless, hedonistic sadist reveling in the bloodshed despite what his comrades say. And I say that because all of his actions are born from a sense of unfair pain and loss. In a very twisted way, it's only natural that he feel driven and satisfied by the slaughter when everyone he loved was taken, killed, and broken. Maybe it's a leap to say that "because he is driven by feelings born of pain, that his actions of resistance in the face of death are something to respect", but that's the impression he's always left on me in each of the endings. And I think that's what makes him such an interesting and memorable character to me. Everything he does can be seen as cathartic given the source of his actions, and the extremes he was pushed to. He is an absolutely insane, over-the-top, blood thirsty monster that is totally understandable and realistic in the reasons why he acts the way he does.

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I kinda agree. I mean I get what you mean, but leaving it vague really annoys me. I am guessing the watchers and Gods were simply something of a man made creation that in turn creates a new generation of man kind, like some infinite loop of God and Man.

It's pretty obvious that the Black Flower gets created, fucks shit up, gets stuffed in that locked room, and then gets sent back in time during the Cataclysm. Time is on a loop in that universe, doomed to endless repetitions, despite all the possible outcomes.

I dont really understand what you mean then so you will have to dumb it down or something, because being a resistance against an opposing force is every fictional characters fate. Whether or not he or she is in the right or wrong. I MEAN yeah, him standing up to another opposing force is noble on it's own but so can be said about the opposing force against Caim. In the end it's all boils down to war. The fact is there really isnt anything noble about war. Even when you look at Caim and Angelus as the heroes of the story they still have that narrative behind them making them the victor by default. It's like saying you wage a holy war cuz God is literally on your side. Which the opposition totally did and won/lost.

i.hear.a.sound.

the problem is that there are multiple timelines. So it's not just a loop it's a branch of roots and there has to be a center that's starts it. Even those timelines cross over eachother only to seperate again.

also who created the black flower, where did the citadel city come from or when, and why is Midgard a flipped map of Eruope? Is that the topography? Or is it a dimension where the continents are flipped?

I think when Taro wrote that he also wrote it like I...hear... so..n..d
I think in them minds state of decay he meant to say Song.

Midgard is only flipped sometimes. In D2, it's right side up (and I don't care that Taro doesn't consider it canon, because he wrote a short story to fuck up the only ending that could be considered even remotely happy, which is owning it).

I like it better with the random periods.
You can tell something is fucked up, but not exactly how.

Slurred words are kind of clichè, it's a neat twist

it ain't canon then that means he has soemthing else in mind for the series. I must know what it is, if at all.

Nah, he killed off the world in D2's B and C endings. Even ignoring his add-on to A ending, all that happened was that you kicked the can down the road.

>because being a resistance against an opposing force is every fictional characters fate
Yes, but not every character is fated for death. Caim, past ending A, IS. When other characters have mentally broken down or literally killed themselves, Caim still pushes on because of how fucking vengeful he is. Then when he has literally lost everything, his lover dead or his sister turned into an abomination, his feelings STILL do not falter. That's what impresses me as a character, and it is during the endings that Caim shows some form of growth BEYOND his initial bloodthirst. He looks genuinely hurt when Angelus decides to sacrifice herself, and hesitant to even engage in her duel. Maybe that's just warped nostalgia though, since it's been awhile since I saw the endings.

And the whole point of the game is that Caim has the narrative AGAINST him. That's what makes his struggle noteworthy and distinct.
>his lover sacrifices himself in Ending A
>his sister is reborn as an angel in Ending B
>he has to killer his lover in Ending C
>an innocent child sacrifices himself in ending D
>the single time there is even a glimmer of release from the violence, a sense of finality and accomplishment, Caim is fucking killed by outside forces in ending E
Caim never wins. Even when he's supposed to be this bloodthirsy monster it's like the world finds new ways make him pay.

That'll be my lost post though. I've gotta get some sleep, but it's been great expressing my views on such a niche and well written title.

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well it was text and so maybe the scientist was writing and got a little dyslexic. I dont know why but that's why I thought that in the process of losing his mind his letters were flipping upside down.

the watchers i presume, the black flower seems to be some kind of divine weapon, a parasite maybe since watches can't stay in this world for prolongued times while the flower can, also, what does it matter how europe looks like, for all you know the map is flipped, or someone said that north was south and the maps work like that there

The Watchers are just the servants of God. Using the name Watchers was just the choice of the localization team. The Japanese better translates into Angels and the localization team decided to use watchers because they wanted to tone down the Judeo-Christian elements of the game, like using plural Gods instead of the intended singular God. So, the Watchers/Angels are servants of an Abrahamic style God who is pissed at humanity for being evil.

>he killed off D2's
wait D2 in its entirety isnt canon. The only one that seems to continue with any story is ending e.

>D2 in its entirety isn't canon.
Taro can claim that all he wants. But if it wasn't canon, he shouldn't have gone back and fucked up ending A and C.

I thought the black flower created the watchers. It's how the Zero can control the watchers before. The watchers were those Angels that were summoned by the power of song. The flower was like an Avatar of the Black Flower.

fucking this. Unloading a bunch of fire in a crowd of mooks and seeing the kill counter skyrocket is a primal kind of pleasure normalfags just don't get.

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what do you mean?

That elf was fucking broken, like holy shit
Is eating babies the real way to obtain power in Drakengard?

He wrote a short story making the main characters of Ending A miserable. Manah leaves Nowe over guilt, and Eris refuses to see Nowe.

And when the scientists in Nier's time send the legion and red-eye through a portal, it shits them out 15 years after D2's ending C, when magic and dragons are gone, leaving the world completely unable to combat them.

Holy shit? link?
also i love all drakengard threads
Accord best girl

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>Tfw there's only like 40 photos of her on booru

Here's the Novella for Ending A, written by Taro.

drakengard.fandom.com/wiki/Drakengard_2/Novella

To follow up, the Flower was God's original attempt at destroying humanity. It was sealed away but a small part of it escaped and then became the black flower which infected Zero. The intoner sisters accidently unseal the flower and were infected by it in their manga.

a damn shame
was referring to the nier part about legion/red-eye

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ok so in the short story of ending A it's worse than miserable. It literally ends up with the creation of the seeds of destruction.
That ending was also something where from what I heard from another user was that time line a 1.3 there was no pact magic. Ending A 1.3 was supposed to take away any connection to DoD2.
I forget but there was a canonical reason beyond that why Taro came up with that Age of Dragon Timeline.
I personally think it was to create the first watchers that would bleed into the other timelines.
And For the scientists sending A legion back in time? Where was this? In DoD 2?

>was referring to the nier part about legion/red-eye
Most of the information was given out in Grimoire NieR. As to where they went, Taro answered "15 years after the ending of Ending C in DoD2" in one of his many interviews. I couldn't tell you which one off the top of my head.

>In DoD2
It was hinted at in the final cutscene, after all the Dragons and magic left the world, but is not outright stated there. Again, it was in one of Taro's many interviews.

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jesus I dont remember any of this shit, why would Yoko Taro say Dod2 isnt canon then make an ending to it along with making Nier connecting to It. FUCKING WHY?!

Which is why, when Taro says it's not Canon, I say "bullshit." You don't get to continuously modify the story while simultaneously denying that it's part of your universe.

but hold on, I thought Yoko Taro didnt write any of this. This was all done by the company wanting another DoD game.

but DoD2 the game wasnt written by Yoko Taro. The LN of ending A 1.3 is.

Taro was CGI Director.

>The idea for the 3rd game was to call it the 4th game and name it "The Search for Drakengard 3"

I dont think that makes him the writer tho.

>hear about drakengard
>become intrigued because Yea Forums praises its for its unique and subversive story
>check it out
>literally some of the worst writing and voice acting I've seen in all of vidya
???

youtube.com/watch?v=7uoX5lTVLnM

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The original director, Yoko Taro, originally proposed a space adventure involving dragons, but this was vetoed at an early stage. Yoko was not involved in creating the narrative as he had been in Drakengard, being mostly tied up with another project, though he was able to observe the project's progress. He and Drakengard 2's director Akira Yasui suffered from creative differences, with the result that Yoko termed their relationship on the project as a "love-hate" story in a 2013 interview concerning the series.

Never said he was the writer of D2. I said he continuously fucks with the game's endings. He wrote Garden of Light and stated that NieR's Legion/Red Eye crashed into D2's C ending 15 years after the game ends.

Nice while it lasted, but the "le shit writing" sam hyde faggots have invaded

you need to look at this post

That post was awful too.
>Bad music

>dub

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ok so then he did it out of spite, and basically just wanted to ruin that story it seems.
Sounds like when Yoko Taro says everything is canon he means it but only focuses on a specific time line that just branches out different possibilities for the next game.

Right, but you can't say that your games have nothing to do with D2, and then continuously write shit to fuck with the story. Either its not canon, and you leave it alone, or it is, at which point, you can add supplementary material for it.

Also, wasn't Taro supposed to make Cry-On, based on ending D of D1?

Honestly, I've never been so conflicted about any vidya as I was with Drakengard. It's a pretty bad game and I'll never play it again, but at the same I'm glad I've experienced it.

nier2.com/timeline.html

D2 is way worse, narratively, and the gameplay is nothing to write home about, but the difficulty spike and limited items makes Extreme mode one of the hardest games I've ever played.

I dont know about the cry-on part but since it's his series I simply say who ever originally made it gets to do what they want.

Drakengard 1 is more then the sum of it's parts. It's a janky musou-style game with the most insanity-inducing everything. Characters, story, music, everything. I can appreciate it for that. Game could've only come out on the PS2.

You can think that, and I can think what I think. If he never touched D2, I'd say, "yeah, it's not canon." But the second he started writing stories and connecting it to the NieR timeline, you cast off the ability to claim it isn't canon.

I mean, by his own logic, he sent Legion and Red Eye to a non-canon universe. How does that not make it canon?

It’s nit canon because he didn’t write it.

But he wrote his canon universe into it. He literally modified 2 of the endings, and one of the modifying endings involved him pushing the WCS enemies INTO that world. You can't say, "Something doesn't exist in this universe, but I took a really big problem from NieR's timeline, and warped it to this non-existent world."

Anyways, it's pretty clear we aren't going to agree on this, so this is the last time I explain why I don't buy his "it's not canon" claim.

D2 is also walled off from the timeline of all other games. D2 is canon in the same way TV shows with time fuckery/universe jumping episodes that end with everything being reset to normal are technically canon.

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by nitpicking. I would think since he rewrote an ending, he would also rewrite the entire game if he could. However YOU CAN say that what would have continued on from what would be DoD2 all those events just never happened and only the part that Yoko wrote was canon.
So I guess you can only say DoD2 timeline getting Niers garbage was pretty much Yoko Taro symbolically fucking up DoD2 out of spite.

>They're basically the same person
Are you fucking nuts? There's not way in HELL you are White. Not only do they have completely different features, their personalities are completely different, plus Triss has green eyes, Yen has much higher cheek bones, etc.. you must be a spic or nigger not to have noticed these things. THREADLY REMINDER TO TOURISTS, ESP THE ENGLISH. YOU ARE THE VERY SAME MOTHERFUCKERS one fuck was LARPing. you dumb cunt.

that's why he made DoD 1.3 he needed to connect DoD3.

my niggas

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I just finished my Nier run and was moving onto Automata, but reading about DoD 3 and 1 kind of made me want to go back and play them
I have 3, is 1 worth picking up despite being retardedly scalped?

That timeline is already flawed. Garden of Light doesn't take place after D2's B Ending. Eris didn't become the goddess in B ending. And again, it doesn't take into consideration that Taro himself stated Legion/Red Eye got dumped in D2's world.

Ok, so you're saying, that in Taro's mind, DoD2 doesn't exist, but that 15 years after this story (which never took place) concludes, WCS creatures got dumped into this non-existent world, and THAT'S the canon?

Seems silly, but fine.

updated ver

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leveling ur Weapons in Stage 1 for eternity
> feels great man

How much are they being scalped for now? I bought D1 for $8 years ago again back when gamestop was get rid of all their old ps2 games.

>Ok, so you're saying, that in Taro's mind, DoD2 doesn't exist, but that 15 years after this story (which never took place) concludes, WCS creatures got dumped into this non-existent world, and THAT'S the canon?
>Seems silly, but fine.
yes. because he is nuts. Because in my understanding, Yoko Taro would have made DoD2 a whole lot different and you seeing 15 years later is the story after it. So basically If he could rewrite DoD2 on ending would be the one you mention. Because he is nuts.

look, I'm not entirely opposed to the fact that /contrariancore/ is now trending towards "drakengard was always good" but let's rein it in a bit, yeah? you're just going to have innocent anons picking it up and getting burned hard, reversing the pendulum's momentum

you got a higher quality of that champ?

Before Automata, it was like 6 bucks shipped. Now, they are all over the place, but can be found between 30 and 80 bucks on ebay.

no user is innocent, lurking is part of the Yea Forums survival guide.

what are you supposed to do, import the game and play it in a moon language you cant understand?

See

>Taro was gonna make D2 a weird high school game where D1 characters were teachers
>magic, weapons, and all that weird shit were still in
also there was that xbox exclusive game he was making before it got canned too

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Yeah, the cheapest I can find it is like 17 with a gamestop case. Its fucking retarded.
Might just burn it and magic swap it

Cry-on?

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yep

I bought one for 12 yurops shipped in May 2017 off ebay

Was it ever confirmed that it was a D1 sequel?

play the undub, silly, like you do for every other ps2 game.
>language you cant understand
lol dekinai

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Ill just play the dub and use my big boy brain to realize its heavily altered instead of wasting my time on a language fags learn to read porn

Come on man, it's tun by Jews, they decuded ri ruh

This ain't the weeb board, senpai. Take your animefaggotry and fuck off.

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All Taro dubs are fine, with Nier and Automata being excellent and better than jp

... but... it is!

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Nah, that would be

>the church is lying we should destroy these things
>dont do that the world will end
>destroy them
>world ends
Drakengard 2 was fucking hilarious.

Gismor was amazing in that game, too. He made it his personal life goal to just shit on Nowe at every opportunity.

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who are you quoting lol xD
YOU'RE LATE FOR THE PARTY CHILDREN

NO, in answer to you ms;sn

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>people thinking Taro has any sort of plan for his multiverse or a consistent view of it
He just makes shit up as he goes. And that's ok, he excels at making standalone stories. Even Automata doesn't really rely on Nier for its main plot and characters.

>character is completely different in dub
>JP:"I felt a shriek rising in my throat, but only warm fluid poured forth from my mouth. Blood. It was as if this hell hole of a world was trying to murder me itself. I wouldn’t let it. I’d never let it. You die! You’re the ones who should die! Die! Die! Die! Die! Die...! "
>ENG: I hated the world. I had damned it in my mind since before I could remember. I could feel the tremor of a scream in my throat. Glurp. Something warm dribbled from my mouth. It was blood, not a scream. This fucking world is trying to kill me. Fuck that. Fuck the world! Fuck you all! YOU fucking die! Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you!

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>When he hits you once on Extreme difficulty when you are at max level.
Keep in mind, this is literally the tutorial level, and he WILL kill you. Extreme was a really good challenge. The game wasn't good, by any means, but if you've already put in the time to get to extreme, you'll have a lot of fun.

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>is beyond fucking weird
>is married to one of the main people/artists who make taiko drummer games
>his games are fucking weird and niche and don't really sell all that well
>keeps getting hired to do more games
>gets a bigger budget each time somehow despite his games still being niche
>makes a game inspired by 9/11, which is nier
>his studio dies, but he keeps getting to make games
>to get the full story/lore of his games you have dig through novels, stage plays, radio dramas, concerts, etc and all of them are canon
>his latest game actually did so well it saved platinum from being ruined/shutdown after microsoft fucked them over
>has adds and interviews for his games where where directly shits on or insults square enix and keeps getting more work from them
>has another add for his game and nier:A merch where he tells people to stop giving awards to the composer and give them to him instead
>also makes his workers that fuck up on minor things where his mask and apologize in the add too
>is working on another game for sqaure enix right now too apparently
how can one man hold so much power?

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Reminder that Drakengard 1 had TV commercials.

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because he is the one that makes it all interesting. In that crazy coconut of his.

Some of, although no all, the gf, ig CERTSINKY gucking sekfuk in a

I know. I bought that game because of the commercials.

And a shoutout in fucking wrestling of all things

link?

I remember seeing it on twitter, gimme a minute and I'll search for it

If you like Evangelion you owe it to yourself to play this game

Is it worth watching the Evangelion remake?

god, caim swapping places with shinji would be a fucking completely different anime

he is what every shitty indie dev aspires to be; someone that makes games that are absolutely terrible in all but 1-2 categories yet somehow maintains a permanent tenure in the industry amongst high tier game studios because those 1-2 categories are 11/10 quality. It's always the music, and sometimes but not always the story, he has proven he can make the good content in other categories which means he is simply choosing not to for some reason.

youtube.com/watch?v=1xFqXxHI0FI
>Impressive t: IGN
>action game to end all action games

This post is embarrassing user

I can't even imagine how evangelion would be if written by taro. Replacing Shinji with a murder hobo would at the very least make it more watchable though.

Pretty sure he has already done his take on Shinji with 9S.

t. "le get in le robot"XD faggot

9S would not be changing places with shinji though, caim would. I can definitely see the beta resemblance between the two.
>implying caim would even use them
even if angelus was not ported, I can still see him dying in the first episode because he decides to attempt a bumrush on foot.

I thought D2 was "funner" to play and even the bosses were more mechanically sophisicated but as a complete product it is obviously inferior.

Gameplay was better than D1, but being better than "horrid," isn't exactly a compliment. And yeah, the bosses were better.

That said, fuck those god damned gnomes on Extreme. Absolute fucking horse shit.

D1 was Taro shitting on a lot of the generic Jap fantasy hero games plot/characters and several other tropes while D2 which he wasn't allowed to direct was literally a generic Jap fantasy game which had all the shit he was dumping on in the first game.

I don't think it's that thematically dissimliar it's still mostly about failing in success and all the mindless killing - obviously a lot less sophisicated to than D1 as I said.

It also had this, though. And that smile is almost worth it all.

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No, it was. Nowe racked in a similar body count to Caim and he pretty much had all happy generic endings. He mindlessly follows a girl and abandons all his previous beliefs at the drop of a hat because she was pretty and he had a crush on her.

Thoughts on DOD3? Besides the horrible framerate

a smile to protect

It has one of the best lines in video games.

youtube.com/watch?v=9sGDWli7cGk

His most generic and boring of all the Drakengard/Nier games. Not without its fun, though.

>ignores his cute rich cousin who constantly is trying to get his attention
>tails a filthy gypsy cultist desperately craving bobs and vagene he will never get
truly the most beta man in any taro game

That's not better than "Is it over, Caim?

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The point is it wasn't a taro game. Square gave to it to a literal who who never directed another game besides this one and made Taro a programmer/tech monkey for it.

Garden of light killed the happiness in Ending A. Ending B was not a happy ending, as it was pretty clear that they were fucked. Ending C got fucked by Taro's interview.

really? I actually didn't know that. No wonder it felt so different, I guess I should have figured it out.

I remember something like the art book/game bible stated weird facts of characters and Caim's was that he can sleep with his eyes open. They really went down on Caim being a monster that loved only murder and Angelus.

Remasters/ports fucking when, Square. The games are hard to come by (i'm usually tolerant towards digital-only stuff, but DoD3 digital + DLC plan is so nasty and barely on sale at all) and now the series should have enough cult following to buy them.
At the very least have a NieR one for next year since it's the 10th anniversary and Taro said wanted to celebrate it somehow.

dont understand why they woudln't at least port neir to the pc

It honestly deserves a remake. That game was fucking amazing, and having the combat remade by Platinum would be good.

I just did a full run of the game these past two weeks and I dont really think there's anything that warrants a remake honestly
Maybe just a port with some number tweaking

there are some parts where they take things like Resident evils mansion and use the same layout. so it might be licensing issues.

Plus it would give an excuse to implement cut content like Kainé's backstory in cutscene form or the entire Seafront storyline.

How so? Am I wrong?

Yes you are and it's clear you haven't played the games

>Seafront storyline
Where would I read about this?

best game yoko taro made

Now that's just ad hominem. I've played every game and I stand by my statement. Either elaborate how I'm wrong or you're just shitposting.

>The previous games don't connect
>THE ENTIRE LIBRARY AND PLOT IN AUTOMATA
>No connection
Hmmm

and D1's ending E being directly responsible for nier and then that directly leads to nier:A, so that's a trilogy

Not connected though according to that user

It's not that they don't connect, it's that they are unnecessary for understanding the story and themes. For Automata it is only important that humans died, never did it require the specific knowledge of how and why. Sure, you have callbacks, Emil and Devola/Popila side-stories. But that's what they are - side-stories and they were written that way.

To quote /ggg/ "finna yikes"

Some snippets are told in Grimoire NieR and others are in throwaway lines in the game: the jist is that Seafront had to play a bigger role as in having its own dungeon and themed-Shade boss (supposedly one that intentionally lowered your framerate to its advantage, don't ask) and eventually sustained its own Shade invasion changing its layout after the timeskip. Iir it was scrapped because outside of the already existing problems (limited time release and dry budget that Square pulled partially to sustain FFXIII instead) there were trouble in coding the boss and other elements, so they ultimately dropped it and put more sidequests instead.

Story
Nier > DoD1 > Automata > DoD3
Gameplay
Automata > Nier > DoD1 > DoD3
Characters
Nier > Automata > DoD3 > DoD1
Music
Nier > Automata = DoD1 > DoD3
Overall
Nier > DoD1 > Automata > DoD 3

Feel free to disagree, this is just my two cents. I'd be interested to hear other opinions.
No DoD2 because I just ranked Taro's games.

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Best YT game soundtrackwise and storywise, but I'm biased because I like edgy magical girls.

Interesting, I guess Seafront has Emil's mansion right there and the Jack of Hearts coming ashore at least
>limited time release and dry budget that Square pulled partially to sustain FFXIII instead
awful

>you are now aware same voice actor

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Not the first time that happened either, Xenogears suffered the same fate with Square pulling money from Monolith to fund FFVIII (wich explains the utter butchering of XG Disc 2) and almost killing the studio if it wasn't for Namco taking them.

also the voice for cosmo from fairly oddparents
angelus and seere are the same VA and she's also kyle's mom from south park
caim and inuart are also the same VA

Incest is wincest

>Caim, Angelus, Weiss and Michael all share the same voice actor in Japanese
What did Yoko Taro mean by this?

Knows the VA and what they can deliver and how to work with them.

Maybe he had a cheap contract?

If DoD3 is anything to go by, despite the multiverse, events and characters inevitably happen/repeat themselves no matter the dimension, while the role of the characers and the timeframe may change (the DoD world started changing in medieval Europe, the one of NieR in early 2000's Japan).

Eve having the Mark of the Watchers tatooed on his shoulder giving him red eyes is a good hint we may get a third NieR dealing with them on this world despite the death of the Grotesquerie Queen.

Nier was the first time I've heard Jamieson Price and his performance was great. But since then I've noticed him in a lot more stuff and he does the same voice every time

He's very prolific in anime and games also plays pretty much the same character in each. Don't if it's because he lacks range or people who hire him only want that type of voice.

I only bought this game because I heard there was incest in it. It was alright. The weapon stories were the best part.

There isn't any and Taro also did the scene/charters the way he did because he hated the incest brother/sister shit in Jap media.

I don't give a fuck what a genuine autist like Taro likes or doesn't like. Anyway, incestuous desires counts as incest to me and it's a stone cold fact the world would have been saved if Caim would have just fucked his sister, so ultimately I agree with the game's message.

implying furiae wasn't basically possessed at that point

Story: Automata > DoD1 > Nier > DoD3
Gameplay: Automata > Nier > DoD1 > DoD3
Characters: DoD1 = DoD3 = Automata = Nier
Music: DoD1 > Automata > DoD3 > Nier
Overall: Fuck if I know, I like all of them

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No, pretty sure she's not allowed to have sex being the goddess/final seal or it fucks up her being the goddess/seal. She did after all have to have her marriage to Inuart voided before it went through.

D ending is kino.

Story
Automata > DoD1 > Nier > DoD3
Gameplay
Automata > Nier > DoD1 > DoD3
Characters
DoD1 = Nier = DoD3 = Automata
Music
DoD1 > Automata = DoD3 > Nier
Overall
Automata > DoD1 > DoD3 = Nier

I love DoD1's aerial combat, ground combat isn't as bad as must people say too
I wish DoD3's story wasn't so fragmented, I know Taro likes to expand on his stories through side materials but DoD3 is the game that suffered the most from it which is a shame, the overpriced DLCs didn't help. Automata is his best executed and does a better job at fusing both story and gameplay plus the routes are much more unique than Nier's
I love all of his characters I can't just rank them
The reason the Nier OST is that low is because I feel Automata's is just an improved version of it and DoD1/3's are much more unique, they're all great though
2 sucks but all the Caim/Angy scenes are sugoi

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Automata should not be above DoD1 in story, it should be equal at best, automata has a great story but draken1's is taro's defining moment compared to all his other stuff. Otherwise, I pretty much agree. DoD1 definitely was MUCH more fun than the other drakengards in terms of dragon combat, both aerial and during ground missions, the biggest thing that made me realize right from the beginning that drakengard 2 was not gonna be as good as 1 was the dragon finishers being absolute trash comparatively. Going from 1 where you had the chaos dragon finisher with lightning bolts raining down from the sky, spewing magma and opening up fissures and volcanoes from the earth, to 2's "lets scratch them or bite their head off, that's probably good enough" was such a letdown.