What was actually his endgame?

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Pretty much. He didn't want to be remembered as the guy who lost 30,000 soldiers so he started WW3 so he could be the guy who won it.

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OP here, I've never even seen that video. I was just talking about this with a friend and I couldn't remember exactly how this all went. For some reason I thought Shepherd was in cahoots with Makarov to false flag their way to a war

Makarov had to assassinate the Russian president to take power in MW3, though I'll be honest I don't remember it well at all. Sheperd doesn't even actually have power at the end of MW2, just the President saying "yeah shit's fucked, I trust you to handle this Sheperd"

This gets extremely muddled because Sheperd betrays you, yes, but the idea that the very next mission is called "the enemy of my enemy" should clue you in that this was never true at any point.

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So he shoots ghost and roach because he wants to be a hero?

That makes him a villain though

to wipe out all governments and purging his own country.

Can’t be the villain if you become the hero. Unfortunately he didn’t become the hero in time

Privately perhaps. But the American public would see him as the general that lead the counterattack against the Russians.

I mean, yeah. At the end of the day he really is a villain. Just a delusional one.

He wanted a full-scale war, whether it was for his own ego or because he wanted to punish people for having just "fucking watched" when his troops got nuked, I'm not sure.

He kind of was.

He knowingly sent Allen (I think) to partake in what he knew would be a terrorist attack, likely leaked that Allen was an agent to Makarov so he would kill him to instigate a war when an American with a military connection was found at the scene.

He shoots them because they had info that related him with the Makarov terrorist attack, that would compromise his legacy

A bit off topic, but why did so many people like Ghost? Was it really because of the Skull mask?

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Obviously

Other way around. Markov fed info to Shepard, who sent Allen in not knowing he did what Markov wanted.

It was a covert mission meant to grab a drive that contained information related to Shepard's connection to Makarov.

Killing Roach and Ghost means he can destroy the evidence with nobody ever bringing it up.

He was by far the most useful friendly NPC. He was also just a badass sniper with no face

Ghost and Roach were tasked with obtaining Shepherd's evidence that he had underhanded dealings with Makarov tied to the shooting of the airport which is why he killed them. "History is written by the victors", and in Shepherd's case he would have been known as the man who saved America and saved the military from collapsing due to no new recruits.

>Other way around. Markov fed info to Shepard, who sent Allen in not knowing he did what Markov wanted.
Proof

In what reality would an American shooting up an airport (or other public location) instigate a war with an entire country, even one we haven't historically been on the best terms with?

Lone wolf attacks are pretty common as far as terrorism goes and the Russian government would have to prove the guy was an American government agent acting on some kind of orders for it to even become an international incident. To have it go from terrorism to full scale invasion of the US is a bit absurd. In real life Russian intelligence would obviously do some research before doing anything and the US government would probably lend assistance to them.

Wait so does he end up dying a hero at the end? I never played mw3

Call of Duty is popular with white trash and Ghost checks a lot of the boxes of things that are cool to them.

Gaz 2.0

>because he wanted to punish people for having just "fucking watched" when his troops got nuked
That one. Shepard was angry that everyone wanted to make peace after the Marines got blown up. Which those weren't his men since Gen.Shepard is US ARMY but whatever, Americans. So his solution was to send his own guy into a death trap to intentionally start a war with the Russians who had nothing to do with Zakhaev or Makarov's plans. Which got millions of American civilians killed which gave the US a valid excuse to get millions if Russians civilians killed. Because Gen.Shepard is actually a fucking psychopath who can't see past his own blood rage.

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It's a massive plot-hole no matter what, but in-game I think it has something to do with the people wanting to go to war as Zakhaev is viewed as a martyr killed by foreign meddlers.

A lot of you should just watch this video, it's not to shill chad man but he explains pretty well everything that happens in the story

Gaz had soul though

He was "dude, we're gettin' pints after this lol lol lol lol lol British terminology vs. American" guy.

I will say though, it did just occur to me that 9/11 was basically a lone wolves terrorist attack by an organization not under the orders of any government that did, in a relatively short period of time result in the full scale invasion of Afghanistan so perhaps the situation is not so farfetched after all although the two situations do differ in many ways.

He gets buried at Arlington National Cemetery, so he's probably seen as a war hero

Wasn't that because the US government thought that the Afghanistan government was intentionally hiding the terrorists that attacked them which gave them license to declare war to depose Saddam Hussein? As far as the Russian government new in Modern Warfare 2 Allen was just a guy who happened to be American.

Deep in mind that in the MW universe the Ultranationalists have completely spurred up the hornet's nest and distrust of the US in general. They were exceptionally hot-headed, and to find out a military operative went on a shooting spree would lend credence to that. The problem is that how did NATO allow anyone to fly over to the US without any interception considering the EU is fine with helping out America in MW3 and has the SAS team up with the Rangers from what I remember. You'd think either NATO or the EU would have investigated things as well.

I'm still trying to figure out how a tidal wave of Russian troops sailing over the Atlantic can be considered a surprise attack. Anyone with a telescope from Walmart will be able to see them coming from miles away.

>As far as the Russian government new in Modern Warfare 2 Allen was just a guy who happened to be American.
Didn't they somehow figure out he was CIA?

I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye... and the world just FUCKIN watched

Man /pol/ must be fucking wild in the CoDverse

The nuke was set off by who in the forth game?

Markov. There were a bunch of scenes in 3 showing Markov and Yuri were there the whole time

CIA maybe not, but it'd be easy to find out that he's American military, or marked as very recent former military.

Makarov knew he was a CIA operative thanks to Shepherd so they could have easily used that information, all they'd have to do would be to make up an excuse to bring up the information. They also used American weapons and American-manufactured bullets if I remember right on top of "No Russian".

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It's surprising how many people seem to not understand what he's saying here.

See a lot of people think he's saying "kill no Russians", when he's saying "speak no Russian" which I suppose if you fail to catch on to it may make the reveal later on confusing.

Take the world on a wild Mustache ride

It's also funny how surprisingly anti-war War the first three games are. Everyone, actually everyone, died after it was all said and done. And for as much as people say that these games are about right wing gun nuts having a wank it's actually the big dick Americans that end up getting fucked the hardest

>See a lot of people think he's saying "kill no Russians"
Isn't that kind of stupid given you're shooting up a Russian airport and therefore killing a lot of Russians

The "No Russian" mission was actually a legitimate controversial issue and Infinity Ward should be given credit for having the balls, no matter what the series has now become.

That's what I thought, but this is generally how I see it used when brought up.

Probably a combination of players not fully remembering what happened, and those who never played it just picking up on that.

The main theme of the game's story is that history is written by the victors. All he had to do was not get linked to the terrorist attack and then he gets to be a big hero that gets remembered for the rest of history. That's the idea anyway.

That and the "bad ass persona" he had, I suppose
Kids definitely loved him for the 'edge' (coolness)

The nuke in 4 and No Russian where legitimately shocking moments for the series. But I felt like the chemical attack in three was them trying too hard

An American CIA agent slaughtering 100s of Russians on Russian soil wouldn't start a World War? Of course it would, you fucking moron.

I know what you're saying, but the CIA would never send one of their own to do this, they'd train natives to carry out the attack and deny knowing anything about it

Are foreign governments able to determine who is a C.I..A. agent? Especially if they were sent on a mission to foreign soil? Seems counter intuitive for a foreign government to just be able to do a background check on somebody they're suspicious of and find out they're C.I.A.

Normally, yeah, but Allen participating in the terrorist attack was as a way to earn Makarov's trust so the CIA could learn of Makarov's operation

I thought Makarov then leaked it to them to completely frame the whole thing

I suppose Shepard could've given him the info he'd need to prove it.