This blows diablo out the water. Just started playing on ps4 and bow and arrow is crazy satisfying...

This blows diablo out the water. Just started playing on ps4 and bow and arrow is crazy satisfying. Does PoE get shitty later on or does it always stay this fun?

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PoE gets super super SUPER shitty later on I swear to god I will fucking list everything fucking bad about it if you want me to.

Yep gonna need that list.

Do tell.

>loot is bad
>99.99% of the loot is bad
>the loot is so bad it is literally unplayable on PC unless you get a loot filter
>the 0.01% that is good is currency, uniques and sometimes rares
>you will vendor 99% of uniques
>you will sell rares, the 1% of uniques for currency
>you will hoard currency
>builds are unironically defined by """currency per hour"""
>chink bots use flicker strike - the FASTEST ABILITY in the game to grind currency

>the best way to play the game isn't even playing the game
>it's getting capital and flipping currency because there's no sales or trade tax in anyform
>ie take 100 chaos and make it 101 chaos
>do it ad infinitum
>in any form of currency
>you get GOOD margins sometimes if you bargain a lot flipping
>shit like Lab Offerings can easily get 25% margin from 3-4c difference I was legit hoarding 100 of these
>builds are good and bad based on how much currency you can SINK - some builds are just cheaper

>builds
>2/3 of skills are shit or powercreeped
>takes forever to balance even though devs have complete power
>prefer to sit on their hands
>even 99% of uniques are vendor trash
>they literally took Arc, a skill unchanged and trash for 2 years and just added A MORE MODIFIER to make it the newest FOTM shit
>and then nerfed it
>their nerfs are retarded
>they nerf entire mechanics that 1% of players use in the top content echelon and collaterally strike every player indirectly
>mechanic or method dies because it's fucking garbage and people move onto the next
>they don't adjust the drop tables even if they do, Voltaxic still tier 1 despite being dumpstered iirc

>visual clarity and effects creep is HUGE and stupid as fuck
>red can be physical, chaos or fire damage
>blue can be cold or lightning
>effects everywhere that drop FPS
>a billion mobs
>literally impossible to tell what's going on
>impossible to tell what affixes are on rare mobs that can instagib you
>people play builds that can be run fucking BLIND because they can'

What do you think of grim dawn?

This is the opposite of true, the game feels like shit at low level but once you start getting attack/cast speed and move speed it feels way better

t fucking tell what's going on half the time or react in general mob environments because mobs are just fucking deletable shits until they instagib you because it's impossible to see anything in the clusterfuck of a million mobs with a million effects dying to your screenwide AOE effect attacks or army which moves at 1000% speed so you get the fastest clear speed for the fastest currency per hour because the fastest way to get currency is to kill as many mobs as fast as possible because each mob is basically a fucking slot machine and you can just game it if you just play it infinite amount of times instead of going to harder difficulties which have piddly loot and are a waste of time in comparison to currency per hour mapping speeds

>skill tree is trash
I don't even hate the minor % thing nodes whatever, I hate how many certain branches or optimal paths have been "figured out" and how they sit on their hands or how bad certain nodes are, they're fixing some of it from what I've last seen but it's still stupid overall because
>>>>>GAME IS NOW MORE MODIFIERS
>gem links used to be interesting skill modifiers like projectile speed, chaining, more projectiles, duration - people theorized there would be a whirlwind projectile thing that spins around you based off a boss with it
>instead links are literally just fucking MORE modifiers
>they keep shitting out more MORE modifier supports for incredibly specific skill gems because if your build doesn't run 1 skill + 5 MORE MODIFIERS you're weak as shit
>Tabula Rasa is 10/10 and anyone who doesn't have one is retarded because it has huge reusability value AND resale value as it's always corruptable and worth a divine literally the BEST league starting item and you should rush one because it fucking GIVES MORE DAMAGE THAN ANYTHING ELSE for it's price
>LoreWeave is BiS for 99% of builds because maximum resistances is stupid as fuck
>75% resistance = 100 damage turns to 25
>70% resistance = 100 damage turns to 30

>it's good that the game becomes a huge clusterfuck of ignorable enemies and whocares loot later!
It feeeels better but the rewards are nothing and nothing fucking matters.

>you take 20% more damage for having FIVE % less resistance
>resistance capping autism gearcheck bullshit because the game is balanced around 75% resistance
>Loreweave giving 78% max res EASILY without any other bullshit to give up and decent stats and 6 slots
>game is designed and balanced around one-shotting you at 75% resistance
>game is literally path of life nodes
>200% life isn't even enough anymore
>8k life max endurance charges 75% resistance and -% damage juggernaut still gets oneshot LOOOL
>>>the meta is literally killing bosses before they can even react with a billion DPS builds

>if you use flasks for healing/mana you're dumb because flasks are literally just damage MORE modifiers now
>game has been balanced around fucking life leech - and they're still pushing this shit - so LMAOOOO JUST DEAL MORE DAMAGE or LEECH MORE to SURVIVE
>you can't even get flask charges from certain boss minions
>BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS LEECH FROM THEM AHAHAHAHA FUCK HEALTH FLASKS
>LEECH IS FUCKING % HEALTH BASED
>FLASKS ARE NOT unless they're that based unique flask
also fuck their ascendancy balancing, Elementalist was a fucking dumpster fire/ice/lightning shit and still kinda is only reddit hypes it up because Ascendancies are best because they offer UNIQUE mechanics which cannot be obtained in anyway, MORE DAMAGE isn't unique so it's shit typically

what else is there, I can scream about more I just need to remember a bit

oh yeah
>hey we're a PC game
>we're gonna release a BIG expansion
>hype it up as similar to Ascendancies for god shit powers
>it turns out to be a pick and forget perk shit
>patch isn't even finished
>they fucking took resources from western PC players to DEVELOP CHINESE SERVERS and a fuckign CONSOLE VERSION
>from now on ALL development for PC skills and bosses now have a console angle to make it braindaed to use because controllers don't have the accuracy of a mouse

>introduce INVULNERABILITY PHASES because players kill bosses too fast
>annoying cancerous design that plagues EVERY FUCKING BOSS since then for no reason because top players stomped their shitty bosses with stupid MORE MODIFIER MAX DAMAGE BUILDS in .1 seconds
>shit out stupid league mechanics and content and more skills and more uniques that get swept under the rug every next league for the past 4 years
>don't fix or polish the core game and why player retention sucks
>don't implement any trading system despite scamming, flipping and shit ruining every player interaction of economy
>make end-game content which only the top 1% of players access because they're apparently the only ones smart enough to do it
>make end-game content which is so rare only 1% of those players access it
>they have to keep BUFFING the appearance rates of this shit EVERY LEAGUE because they're so fucking dumb
REMEMBER SPIRIT ANIMALS? they fuicking released the stats to them of how many people saw them and they thought it was GOOD until reddit bitched that they were retarded and iot was actually fucking awful no one even saw them, WHY MAKE THE CONTENT IF NO ONE SEES OR PLAYS IT

same with abyss holy FUCK

also stupidly overpriced MTX which corrupts your frame rate in towns you can't block because players are cash cows

>single player
>offline
>good loot
>get level ups, put points into skills
>you can start a new toon and have build momentum going within an hour


downside is no real atmosphere compared to how you felt 20 years ago when you first played D2

It's fun, but it wasn't very lasting for me.
I highly recommend Median XL - the thing is incredible.

>Just started playing on ps4
>owning a console

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I don't find PoE fun at all, I've tried it multiple times over the years.

Grim Dawn is a lot better, at least for someone who prefers single player games. It's max cozy.

I've played this game since open beta, and I think I'm finally done with it.

This is going to sound weird, but the game just has too much content. They keep adding bullshit into the game every 3 months, so by this point its so overcrowded with ridiculous mechanics that it doesn't even feel good to play it anymore.

I dont know why they've done this, when they're trying to emulate Diablo II and that game didnt have anywhere CLOSE to the content poe has in its current state.

if you think Poe is fun now, dude you should've been there 3 years ago. It was fucking incredible. Now it's just too bloated without any solid direction.... fucking sucks actually.

>>from now on ALL development for PC skills and bosses now have a console angle to make it braindaed to use because controllers don't have the accuracy of a mouse
I came back this patch after not playing for a year or so. Every boss felt so much easier to fight compared to what it was like before. Did they nerf them due to the console or did everyone get buffs overall.

>toon
yikes
>downside is no real atmosphere compared to how you felt 20 years ago when you first played D2
way to set the bar low

grim dawn is super fun with friends, even grinding crucible

it gets stale
you just do the same thing, but clear rooms faster
and if you try to do anything else, it simply doesn't work late game

>play an incredibly cheap build with decent survivability and busted dps that deletes everything
>doing anything else now feels inefficient

>They keep adding bullshit into the game every 3 months
Yea I don't know whats going on now days.
>mfw doing the Immortal Syndicate, Bestiary, Temple of Atzoatl, and this memory bullshit.
I kinda like delves but I keep going back to maps.

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oof y'all let's unpack this problematic and non inclusive opinion

>I highly recommend Median XL - the thing is incredible.

i tried it a while ago, it had ill fitting sprites from other games, a extraordinarily cumbersome and painful crafting/inventory system and every single class ran around with full screen AOE

Where my Grim Dawn boys at?
TOMORROW

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lol what? It works the best late game. Builds feel amazing and there is a metric shit ton of content. Also hardcore keeps the game fresh if you're into that.

I wish more games had dual class. I wish grim dawn had a huge budget.

This is the problem with the game. It's fundamentally a race to the top with yourself. Once you finish the main quest the 1st time, the only thing left to do is to maximize your survivability and dps by picking a meta skill or making a meta build. Playing a non meta build is like finishing a dungeon but not getting a reward, since a faster run IS the reward.

>less unique items
>less item sets
>less everything except for monster infrequents, whatever the fuck those are

lol, who would get excited for this?

I wanna get it but I'm so burnt out I don't think I want to.

Story?

it's an expansion...

I'm so busy with other shit that I can't afford to get hooked in right now.

Story is absolute trash-tier and you can ignore it and all the lore items in the game.

>cumbersome and painful crafting/inventory system
I honestly haven't seen a better crafting system in any of the hack 'n' slash games.
It's objectively less "cumbersome" than the vanilla D2 crafting.

>PoE
>good
lmao no

How long is "a while ago"? It has changed quite a lot and just recently received a huge patch.

PoE "crafting" is literally just "did RNG bless me today?". Find a good base and then pray & spam chaos/essence/fossil. Multimod if it's a weapon. Cumbersome, no. Braindead, yes.

I was talking about Median.

PoE is great even though the current league is shit. Maybe the patch this week will save it

You're right, my bad. Sorry user!

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Wrong and you're a brainlet who doesn't know how meta crafting works

I didn't want to graduate anyways

Okay, block a few mods and then pray you don't annul the wrong affix. It's still a dice roll.

What's the most fun Grim Dawn class combo/focus?

>no thesis participants scheduled for tomorrow
>an entire day open after work and gym
feels FORTUNATE man

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I keep picking this up and putting it back down again. It looks cool but it just doesn't do anything that holds my attention. The whole "augment the everloving fuck out of one skill and one skill only" style doesn't really appeal to me. Or maybe you get a skill for groups and another skill for single target. It doesn't feel that good to me.

Having to download a filter for the fucking shitloads of loot that drops for your tiny inventory is just ridiculous. You COULD sift through that shit manually I guess but why would you do that to yourself?

This.

It starts out as an Diablo II-clone, becomes a Diablo III clone.

Wished they stayed to their design philosophy instead of giving us lootboxes in Hardcore.

>I honestly haven't seen a better crafting system in any of the hack 'n' slash games.

no

D2 has a horrible, archaic inventory system and Median made it 10x worse. it is torture to use.

it isn't that bad. The idea behind having so much bad loot is you can buy what you need from someone else because the currency is pretty common when you grind it out. Even if you have extremely bad luck you can trade in rare sets for chaos orbs frequently and then get what you want.

Also I don't know what year you last played it in but there are so many viable builds now its crazy and I don't have enough life force to try them all.

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>Median made it 10x worse
But it didn't. It made it better.
You are stating things that are objectively incorrect.

Depends on if you like clicking lots of buttons, big numbers, lots of flashy lights, or watching pets kill everything onscreen.

New season. Start over or what you do is pointless. Rinse and repeat. also, forced to do story every time. If you are very, very autistic even by Yea Forums standards you'll keep having fun.

I personally prefer GD over PoE because of the dark victorian/western fantasy it has, the storyline is really good, choices actually matter, and it's way frendlier to play solo.

Not saying PoE is bad but it's a game for loot and alt addicts, people who like to min max everything and use spreadhseets for their currency and skills, etc. I thought it was "optional" to do all of that in PoE but unless you wanna screw yourself badly, you'll HAVE to, it's one of those games where a build outright sucks or is incredibly good and you can ruin your character.