Let's be honest, would you still hate them if no Chinese companies had ownership of it?

I would be okay with the effort to put pressure on Steam if I had decent options.

The usual line of epic defenders is "lmao gamers only care about whether a game is on steam" but I'm perfectly fine with using something like GoG or fucking origin if the client is VAGUELY decent. the epic store isn't. Flat out. The fact that the CEO is running aroud saying that gamers don't actually care about store functionality and that only game releases truly matter give me the impression that he sees me as a fucking fool, which isn't exactly making me eager to give him money. Shut up and improve it.

When they scrapped UT in favor of fortnite I instantly started hating them.
Ebin Gay Store and bruteforcing exclusivity with money is just the icing on the cake.

I just stop giving a fuck. I want my fucking game. I don't have time to worry about the fucking drama. If they wanna spy on me, go ahead and they'll just see all the shitty vanilla stuff I'm into.

Valve drones ITT showing their true colors. It's not about China - it was never about China - Steam drones just hate competition.

Pic related, Valve drones are the Bill Mahers of gaming

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Considering all the other shit their launcher has wrong with it, I still wouldn't bother. Besides the spyware, it's an outdated mess, next to no functionality, the fact that everything costs more just so they can give more of a cut to the devs, the NUMEROUS major security breaches, the exclusivity, the paying devs even if their games don't sell, the fact that their CEO is a fucking moron who's entire goal is just to shit on Steam due to some kind of inferiority complex or something, and the fact that they're all completely out of touch with the community just like every other AAA company. I will never use Epic anything and neither will most of Yea Forums.

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After the massive success of Quake Champions it's insane they didn't stick with UT

Yeah because their business practices are still completely anti-consumer. The chink part is just icing on the shit cake.

steam drones think all games should be sold on steam. they also buy all their clothes at walmart

The CEO of Epic literally does not care about the consumer so yes I will continue to hate Epic.

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Yes. No reviews or refunds. Plus buying up exclusivity just pisses people off. It’s like when Netflix buys up films at indie festivals and then they are barely in theatres. Now even movies have exclusive platforms.

I had the launcher before fortnite BR blew up.
I didn't hate them until they started going paying for 3rd party exclusives.

>Yes. No reviews or refunds.

Refunds are there, reviews are coming

God, I almost bought you retards spiel about the Chinese - now it's obvious you guys hate anything that isn't Steam. GOG isn't real competition btw, so that's why you Valve drones don't hate it.

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Yes. Solely because of their evil business practices of bribing publishers to remove, and not put their games on Steam.

>the paying devs even if their games don't sell,

That just gives a reason for even moralfags to not care about pirating

pretty much this. We don't need another fucking launcher

Steam is the closest we have to a censorship free platform. Its dominant in the market right now and it wont ban the games that offend sjws until theres a huge media mess about it and then it does it reluctantly as a special case.

They could be better but the people against steam or pro epic are lefties who want the industry censored.

I had the Epic Launcher installed since the day UT4 alpha dropped.

>reviews are coming
>opt-in reviews
>6+ months for a shopping cart
Fuck off

>Steam is the closest we have to a censorship free platform.

*Except when they remove Rape Day and hentai games with 18+ characters with huge tits just because it's a "school setting" and you're dating teachers

Steam is pretty fucking worthless as far as that goes, chief.

Yes, because Tim Sweeney is still a shit eating cuck waste of life. I hate that bald chinless faggot.

I am a lifelong, died-in-the-wool moralfag who has never pirated in his life.

That being said, pirate the ever-living shit out of every Epic exclusive.

Did you read my post? They didnt remove those for any of the reasons you stated but because they were singled out with a huge media fuss. And then they emove them reluctantly.

Plenty of games still exist on the platform that are similar.

Sometimes i swear you guys fight to destroy the good things we have cause theyre “not good enough” then have them replaced with something much worse at that thing

>Steam removes shitty, half-assed games using mildly edited default models from the asset store
>this is somehow bad
It's like you WANT Strange Rope Hero.

Yeah, but it's funnier to joke about the Chinese

>>Steam removes shitty, half-assed games using mildly edited default models from the asset store

I was also talking about regular hentai games without reused assets, retard

Steam does not remove games for having standard store bought assets and neither should they. Stop shilling for big companies unintentionally

They could have just done these:
>Don't buy exclusivity just before games release, or at all even
>Just make a good service for both developers and consumers
>Also finish UT4 and relaunch Paragon, at least leave the fucking servers up
Instead they went with:
>Buy exclusivity as games are nearing completion so consumers have no other choice
>CEO says that the people who actually buy games don't matter and can get fucked
>Over six months for a fucking shopping cart
>UT4 and Paragon are cancelled because they don't make billions like Fortnite
Was that so fucking hard Ebin
People went from optimistic about having a new player in the PC digital distribution space to complete disdain in record time

I like that Epic has a CONSISTENT policy on what games it allows. No tricks, no jokes. Just very clear.

Steam is a mine field of what is and isn't allowed that particular day.

He’s lying anyway steam doesnt remove games for reused assets and thats a good thing

Actually ten cent owns 40%.

The issue is that tencent is part of the ccp, which has gone on public record to encourage companies to commit any kind of industrial crimes including espionagw, fraud, and IP theft to bring money to china.

So tencent "owns" "40%" of epic but it doesn't mean that they don't own the other 60% through shell corporations or straight up bribing the other three board members.

yes

Of course. All trust in them has completely evaporated. I don't even trust using their engine anymore.

Sweeney is the majority holder, conspiratard

>HUR I LOVE BASED LORD GABEN xDDDD

That fat bitch wouldn't say something like this

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I never said they did. I said that retarded rape game used them and it wasn't any kind of big loss. Plenty of other porn games are on the platform. You can still get House Party and HuniePop etc. The only reason it was removed was the "rape" aspect.

I feel that (non first party) exclusives generally harm the PC industry.

I'd like it even more if they just brought over all the stuff wegame has that we don't normally get in the west.
Been playing chinese paladin series recently and it's pretty good. Makes me want to dive into all the Chinese games that aren't clones and see what I've been missing.

You aound like you have aspergers and thus require clear structure to function. Everything should be allowed not just whats approved by some pc company. And i say this as a game dev

No. The Chinese thing is the only reason I haven't jump on to get the freebie games.

Why? You retards just claim you'll pirate them anyway.

I'd be willing to tolerate their presence on my PC assuming that it didn't scan my files without my consent like it does now.

I can’t disagree with you there

>dude le aspergers xDDD

If you weren't a fucking neet, you'd know most jobs, like the military, are about consistency and not being snow flake retards like yourself.

test

>be AAA studio
>ads take entire front page
>be indie dev
>no one knows your game exists
STEAM GOOD

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Yes.
The idea of paying devs not to release their games on other storefronts is retarded, and they need to fuck off back to consoles.

Because he's not a faggot with a twitter in the first place.

it doesn't do that anymore

>most jobs
>discussion about steam
What?

Indie games have had storefront ads, tho

Only after they got caught.

I'd really like to show you around the Boeing plant here in WA and have you tell me that shit with a straight face.

not an argument you incel. have sex

This, also the ad for Bloodlines 2

Does Steam advertise ANY fucking indie games? And Yea Forums wonders why they take the deal.

Meanwhile, I go to Epic Store, big profile pics for these games. I would have never heard of Operencia if not for the Epic Games Store front page

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Can I have sex with you? I'll bottom, if you want.

Sure

Only if they're big dick swinging indies that may as well be AAA releases like Hollow Knight IIRC.

What about the little games that need it? Oh, they don't get that, the Steam drone deems it worthy of being in the mere presence of Steam that your game sells 300 copies

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>early access
nice curation

...Uh, user?

And yet pic related is still on Steam.
Interesting, I don't see it on the Tencent Store.
Or even on GoG (a store I actually like).

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Don't move the goalposts now, user

>23
How many of those images do you fucking have

Why does it matter?

>Does Steam advertise ANY fucking indie games?
why would they? epic doesnt even accept indie shits. you should be glad you shit game even got on steam

Ep*c is a massive piece of shit. I don't know if you are a shill, but if you aren't, you should stop promoting their horrible product.

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What game? Princess trainer?

link his personal Twitter and not valve's or steam's

It's not moving goal posts, retard. Steam advertises AAA freely (like they fucking need it) and leaves its indie games to rot

bleedingcool.com/2018/03/16/nintendo-switch-sales-save-blossom-tales-devs-from-shutting-down/

>#NintendoSwitch community is a blessing! #BlossomTales is now a turnaround story: Humble indie dev @castlepixel can stay in business and continue making games. Love y’all! 3 months #Switch revenues surpass #Steam lifetime revenues 20 times!

And Yea Forums is okay with this state of affairs because they only play the most basic bitch of mainstream games.

>Steam drones just hate competition
PEOPLE HATE THAT THE ONLY WAY THEIR INFERIOR PLATFORM CAN COMPETE IS THROUGH EXCLUSIVE DEALS WHICH IS FORCING PEOPLE TO USE THEIR SHIT PLATFORM, THAT ISN'T COMPETING, THATS PAYING TO WIN, YOU RETARDED FAGGOT.

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>It's not moving goal posts

>Steam doesn't advertise indie games
>yeah it does
>Well those indie games aren't indie enough

>competition

>copies sold on Steam: 300
>copies sold on Epic: Zero

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I hate them because they’re fucking up everything. Being chinese owned just makes it typical

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What can we do to BTFO all E*** St*** shills?

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>Princess trainer?

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>epic doesnt even accept indie shits.

Shakedown Hawaii is a one man, self published indie game

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Yes
they are still lying scumbags that are anti consumer

I'm contractually obligated to say no.

>WHICH IS FORCING PEOPLE TO USE THEIR SHIT PLATFORM

How is it forcing people? You retards say you'll pirate the games anyway.

Please, quit crying about something Steam could do (and is probably doing with Bethesda as we speak)

Yes, Tim Sweeney is spouting plenty of garbage all on his own

>Military
Literally the lowest bar for no perspective losers

store.steampowered.com/app/736850/We_The_Revolution/

This just came out. Where was its big splash ad?

store.steampowered.com/app/858810/Dawn_of_Man/

This just came out. Where was its big splash ad?

OH BECAUSE VALVE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT INDIES

THEY COULD DO IT, BUT GUESS WHAT, THEY DON'T

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It's literally just one extremely dedicated autist
Just search tayal in the archive, and also that link a few posts up about the switch eShop. Behold, true autism

Oh I read that wrong, I thought you were talking about Sweeny. Ignore me.

Why are there ads for an indie game and another indie franchise on the store page then?

I don't hate anything, user.
Also I pirate everything so YOLO

Todd figured out he wouldn't score shit if he sold the games solely on his shitty platform, dumb retard.
>N-NO, GABE MUST BE DOING IT TOO, STUPID VALVE DRONES!!!

So why does it matter if they're paying for exclusives if you'll pirate them anyway?

Literally does not stop you from playing it beyond your scheming and crying and not actually playing games.

Well clearly you found them upon opening the page so they must be doing something right

Hollow Knight literally got popular through word of mouth. They made an absurdly tiny amount of money on Kickstarter, even compared to other KS indie games.

It cares more about them than Epic. Also every game can't be promoted, there are THOUSANDS of games on Steam. Your personal feelings don't matter. They advertise plenty of indies, you're just a whiny bitch who's angry they aren't advertising your garbage.

Keep living in denial, games are selling fine not on Steam

Bethesda clearly took a better royalty deal from Valve or was outright paid.

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Dawn of Man literally just showed up in my Discovery queue today. You probably don't count that as advertising, though.

Are there even Japanese games on Epic Game Store?

The entire reason steam started in the first place was because it was the only way to play the new valve releases at a time where pretty much everyone hated steam

Didn't read, but fuck E**c store.

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Youngfag Valve drones literally don't remember how shit Steam was back then - literally no features and was just DRM

Also they shut down the WON servers for Counter Strike and DOD just so you'd have to play them on Steam

It's not the advertising big ad splash I'm talking about.

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I hate them for not making Jazz Jackrabbit 3

>large AAA devs have the money to pay for large splash ads
>small indie devs don't, but still benefit from the more targeted advertising built in to Steam's recommendation algorithms

Right, so because it happened back then its cool now? Pc gaymen distributing isn't in its infancy anymore.

What the fuck is up with all the contrarian posts lately? I know none of you actually support Epic and are just using this event to bash Steam users. Steam has problems as does GoG but I think most would rather deal with Steam's problems then Epic's problems. If people didn't like Steam like everyone is parroting there wouldn't be so many anti Epic posts and all the subreddits wouldn't be bashing them 24/7.

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Or
>Steam has a mod workshop that can keep games alive decades after their relevance
>Todd uses this to his advantage to sell buggy messes for people to fix up for him at no extra cost

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it's literally one autist assmad that his favorite indie game didn't sell a bajillion copies on Steam

Weren't those games...made by Valve anyways? I don't imagine people would have an issue with Epic making their own games exclusive to the EGS, or even with games whose development was funded by Epic.

I enjoy falseflagging

>I know none of you actually support Epic

Ahem - see pic

>and are just using this event to bash Steam users.

That part is true.

>Steam has problems as does GoG but I think most would rather deal with Steam's problems then Epic's problems.

I actually am a long time Steam user, but I also prefer not having monopolies.

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Yes, get fucked Ebin.

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Steam isn't a monopoly though. Even before epic came around.

Cyka, redditor

Monopoly means “it’s too good and people don’t copy it well enough” now

Fucking opt-in reviews.

Yes

I dont give a fuck if they were 100% American with the CEO being a 6 foot tall hyper macho man with a small army of bald eagles carrying him everywhere.
It's their shit "buy from us and only us" method of competing that pisses me off.
IF Epic left it at a better deal for the devs, and the devs chose the platform I wouldn't be upset, but paying devs to only publish on your platform is an absolutely shitty and unethical tactic that I cant in good faith bring myself to support.
besides, by paying out the developer to be exclusive, they paid for your copy of the game, just do the better thing and pirate the game.

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>reddit spacing
Now we know you are a paid shill :^)

Veteran steamfag here, that was 15 fucking years ago. Epic literally has 15 years of data to use to make their service not a pile of shit and they STILL can't do anything right. Every other platform is better than theirs because they learn from others like any monkey can do.
Also, WON was hot garbage and people only used it because it was all there was. Do you not remember nonstop lag/crashing using that shit? The bugs everywhere? The horrible interface (or lack thereof) and pretty much every part of it that made it objectively worse than Steam.

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>prefer not having monopolies
>gives money to a company controlling all the sales of said item
>is a slumdog shitposter

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WON could have gotten better with age like Steam though, drone.

Last Light was not nearly as hyped as Exodus was either.

Good indie games break the bank on Steam and sell really well all the time. The people crying about how they can't sell on Steam are just making shit games.

>Epic I think your spying on us is this true?
>We aren't spying on you trust us
>well I found files that seem pretty suspicious and the fact that you had known how many Epic users use Steam is pretty weird
>OY VEY IM SORRY WE DID SPY ON YOU BUT I PROMISE WE WONT DO IT AGAIN
imagine actually believing Tim Sweeney
that fucker is a pathological liar

If I said "GoG is a monopoly", everybody would laugh. It's basically dead and irrelevant at this point

If I say "Steam is a monopoly" - there's pause from you, you run to a dictionary to make sure if it's the correct usage. You're nervous about Steam being monopoly, because let me give you a hint:

It is.

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also it literally stopped being available for purchase after a year

the Epic store is nothin but a launcher. It has nothing. It offers nothing. It's completely barebones with no benefits, not features, no nothing.

>Exodus was marketed a lot more than Last Light
>PC market is much larger now than it was when LL was released
>constantly refer specifically to LL and don't mention the Redux release at all
>don't even release hard numbers about sales

Maybe think a little more about the situation before spouting marketing garbage

>but I also prefer not having monopolies
You mean like Epic is doing with their exclusivity deals? To the point where they're fucking over their consumers and paying differences just to keep developers from going to other platforms? Because there is nothing stopping any dev from putting their games on other platforms outside of Steam. None. They do not force exclusivity, they do not demand they avoid using other platforms. They just offer a widely-used, user-friendly service that lots of people like. Any and all exclusivity Steam has is entirely developer side.

We already are

>>The people crying about how they can't sell on Steam are just making shit games.

kotaku.com/super-meat-boy-is-the-latest-port-to-sell-better-than-e-1822056498

>The Switch though has seen a number of ports sell better than anticipated. Despite already being out for over three years, the Switch version of Shovel Knight sold better than any of the other versions at launch according to its developer, Yacht Club Games. Wonder Boy: The Dragon’s Trap, Forma.8, and other games have seen similar success. SMG Studios noted in September that Death Squared sold more on the Switch in the first three days than all other platforms it released on combined, while the same thing happened to the Zelda-like exploration game Oceanhorn. And then there was SteamWorld Dig 2, Immage & Form’s action platformer that sold 10 times more on Switch than on Steam.

Shit games like Shovel Knight just can't hack it on Steam!

>Where was its big splash ad?
Dawn of Man doesn't need one, seeing as how it was a top seller for multiple weeks.

I don't know about this, but one thing I'm sure: Epic store is an unusable piece of shit and literally no one here is going to use that turd.

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>I can purchase games from places other than Steam
>even if some of these places give me Steam keys, Steam sees literally 0% of the money from those sales
>somehow this means Steam is a monopoly

And so could have neanderthals, but homo sapiens were better in every way, so they didn't. Shit dies because there's better competition. Don't like it, move to another dimension where evolution and competition don't exist.

I don't have any sales numbers for it, but a recent indie game, Baba is You, seems to be doing pretty well for itself, especially when the developer's last game was a rather obscure(?) (but solid) metroidvania

Don’t you have a large Putin statue to fellate?

Neither gog nor steam is a monopoly you knuckle dragger.

He’s some filthy gopnik that thinks we’re all mouth breathing retards

>>Exodus was marketed a lot more than Last Light

You fucking Steam drones. I was there. LL was advertised very well despite THQ being on its last legs

Im happy for it. I 100%ed Baba is You the other day, fantastic game, comfy as hell.

Not as much, tencent can die.

Steam is older than you and most of Yea Forums at this point. There is no excuse for Epic to come out with a half assed POS in this day and age.

You could make the "steam is bad too!" argument 10 years ago when digital stores were new but now you just look like a cash grab. Epic can afford to buy out other games to the point where they don't even care about sales. Why can't they get people to make a proper store?

Exodus literally got an E3 segment you stupid jew

Yes

Oy vey think of the advertisers!

Yeah, there were ads on Steam. Exodus got ads on Twitch, Youtube, and fucking TV.

THQ literally died before LL was released. We didn't even know if it would come out, to the point where Gamestop literally stopped offering pre-orders for it.

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Just for reference

Hopefully ESA2 also does well

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>at launch

Not really.
LL only peaked at ~16k concurrent players on Steam.
Meanwhile Exodus, a game that didn't even launch on Steam, peaked at ~12k on pre-orders alone.
LL was way less relevant, and based on sales the EGS version probably peaked at sub-30k players.
Also makes me wonder why Epic doesn't show concurrent player counts for games.
Makes me wonder why no one but Steam does for that matter.

Humble now sells Epic Store keys

You happy? Or are you gonna keep crying like a little bitch, Steam drone?

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schizo making a mountain out of molehill. just accept they fixed it and shill ur other stuff

Nice, now buycucks can subsidize me even more while I pirate all the EGS games.

The seething in this post. They’re still strong arming by trying to buy competition instead of letting their platform speak for itself

>just accept they fixed it
>obviously they're telling the truth now after literally being caught in a lie

Yeah and people/companies never lie about anything.

Russians confirmed for spreading propaganda

>m-muh MONOPOLY
none of you fucking spergs know what a monopoly truly is yet you insist Steam is one.
A monopoly is when one company corners the ENTIRE fucking market, making finding an alternative impossible because any option has been bought out by said monopoly.
Surely if Steam was a monopoly, you could only buy PC games from there exclusively? wait, GoG exists. Origin exists. Uplay exists. EGS exists.
even if the alternatives are inferior to Steam, there's still fucking alternatives you can turn to. If Gabe was this new-age Rockefeller you fucksticks so desperately claim, he would be buying up literally every other storefront in a bid to corner the market.

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>Steam is older than you

That's funny because my profile is older than you and I still know Steam was bad for PC gaming.

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They are literally jealous that Steam is the best for any game that can’t be gotten on GoG

Tы кoнчeнный кpeтин, ты этo знaeшь?

it's just people baiting

>now
Games only only sold on EGS+Humble is somehow less of a monopoly than being able to buy games on steam + humble + hundreds of other key sites.

This is what you crybaby bitch epic drones actually believe.

u know that the true shills that have big $ on the line ran their little scanners again as soon as they claimed it was fix hoping to catch them as frauds

I hate how Tim is spreading false or heavily vague info around to try to coax more devs to join his legion of flip flop devs. At least Valve's GDC conference was about improving steam

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>Steam was bad for PC gaming
>so I'll strenuously defend a platform that's somehow even worse for PC gaming

>look I can screencap a random public profile I'm older than you xD
Cool story kiddo, now try actually countering my points

Tim, people who buy your Fortnitebux and nothing else don't count as store users.

tbf they need that to pull in devs to sell on their store as well

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Steam saved PC gaming

It was dead in the water until Steam got big

>le racism is bad
Don't you have a gash wound to open up?

YES

Reminder that valve drones assured that there will be literally no sales on epic store, hurr-durr 88% of zero is less than 70% of glorious steam sales.

Not really. All they have to do is make a viable store that gives devs a better deal and they'll come naturally. I guess they'd rather buy out exclusivity through short term losses and scare potential devs from their deal due to the backlash they'd get from the community.

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I don't know what to think, ue4 is an awesome piece of software but at the same time they obliterated the unreal series
how hard can be making a better version of ut2004?

>yfw leftists in the US are so cucked not even china wants them

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I wouldn't use them because:

>it's an inferior platform
>spies on you
>yet another DRM launcher
>buys out devs for exclusivity deals

The Chink ownership is just the cherry on top of the shit heap

>2.5x sales
>counts sales from a full month of release
>compares it to first week on steam
>counts all physical copies despite the bait and switch

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buying exclusives doesn't make you competition it just makes you that annoying rich kid everyone wants to punch in the face

>and scare potential devs from their deal due to the backlash they'd get from the community.

Clearly not the case because even Devolver Digital is working with Epic now

Steam drones: I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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I mean they'd have better luck if they convince devs that there is a market to sell to on top of a better deal

It tries to win against Steam by providing a worse store for consumers, so yes.

Protip: If you honestly think the actual developers will get the 18% difference you are delusional, the only people who will see any of it are the CEOs and share holders.

And you know what that makes you? A nigger.

What about self published indies? Shakedown Hawaii is literally self published and developed by a single guy. Same with Axiom Verge.

indie devs will likely feel it a lot more, although they'll probably see considerably less sales overall

No, because all of my games are on Steam and one launcher is more than enough for me.

Oh the steam drone doesn't have an answer to me because he thinks all video games are made by BIG BAD EVIL CORPORATIONS (except Steam isn't a big bad evil corporation, based lord gaben)

Doesn't matter if they get paid

Devolver is only releasing it on PS4 too. Plus they don't gaf based on their interactions with the community and industry

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Axiom Verge, the game that was LITERALLY FREE on Epic?

Because being an Epic falseflagger is the easiest way to bait out replies right now, there's no point coming to these threads since they always post the same retarded arguments like "Steam has exclusives too" or even more recently, accusing Valve that they deleted that Taiwanese game that got a lot of shit from Chinese users for comparing their leader with Winnie the Pooh
boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/pSKqp2yi3Rg23MAxD9PCKQ/

it matters if they don't sell enough for the greater cut to be worth the loss of custom

That Epic paid to make available for free for two weeks on Epic? Yes, that Axiom Verge

Also address the Shakedown Hawaii one. Go on. Or the other indies like Satisfactory who are indie pubs and devs.

I'd dislike them less.

Yes, if not more. Everyone knows china is fucked.

Phoenix Point devs literally said that if everyone refunded the game, they'd still make a profit.

And the fact that only a small percentage of whiny Steam cucks did means that the game has been nothing but profits.

Jezus fucking christ that's a lot of Fortnite kiddo's

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>only a small percentage of whiny Steam cucks did
source, Ivan?

I think a CM from the games reddit said only 3% did it

That survey counts Epic store users as anyone signed into Fortnite on any platform. The kind of survey that pops up after a match and it goes to kids that don't own a PC and play only on console.

If everything else was exactly the same as it's been, yes. Though to be fair, without Tencent's influence it's unlikely everything would be exactly the same, even if it would still likely be shitty.
Sweeney is a moron, but on even his own he's still a moron. Just with Tencent, he's a moron and a retarded sockpuppet for chinks. I expect he would've told less lies on twitter and just said dumber but relatively harmless things instead, at the least.

Yes. I don't like this railroading into using their shitty product just because they want to dethrone Steam.

paying devs to try to win
yes fuck them

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>Yes. I don't like this railroading into using their shitty product just because they want to dethrone physical

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It got two.

>Selling your own product on your own store is the same

this is also the CM that got us the info that Epic covers lost sales, which translates to "here, go pirate our games, its on us"

In other words, there's literally no reason to buy games on Epic

I don't hate them, I hate what they do so the question is "would they do the same shit without the chinese connection?"

If yes then yes I would hate them.

t. GoG User

>In other words, there's literally no reason to buy games on Epic

Which is why Steam tards saying you're being forced to use Epic are lying

Noones complaining about fortnite exclusivity.

>dethrone physical
>*capitalize on an emerging market that bypasses traditional physical media loops to reach more customers and generate higher profits
Fixed that for you. Half Life 2 was also sold physically. But you wouldn't know that parroting what other retards have said.

I'll give Epic credit for having ideas that essentially create a better mousetrap. But Camry dethroned Taurus by offering a better car at a competitive price. Not by forcing you to go to a very specific yet shitty dealership under the guise that eventually you'll get better service.

But you do have to use steam for other games still? You can't just pirate them, too? Or Origin?
Huh... I had no idea their DRM was that effective. That's one more thing in their favor over the tencent store.

They're complaining about devs taking money from Epic

Epic who rightfully paid for those games to be on their service - the fact that a business transaction triggers you fuckers makes me think you're all secret commies

>hehehe steam is just the market place correcting itself
>EXCEPT WHEN EPIC GOD BLESS MARX

>it's another episode of Yea Forums doesn't understand what communism is

That transaction has a negative impact on the consumer. You'd be a retarded sheep not to show negative feedback toward it, Chang.

I've seen people call Epic Store communist just because of China - so I don't think Yea Forums understands in general

No. I only hate them because muh China. Had it been Japanese, American or European (non-Russian/slav) cucking me I'd be okay with all kind of jewshit.

>missing the point this bad
I can't tell if you're legit retarded or just really bad at shitposting. No one's complaining about commies or whatever in what you're replying too. They're complaining about being forced into using an inferior service to access a specific product that they could normally choose who they would trust with their info in order to engage in a transaction to obtain.

>That transaction has a negative impact on the consumer. You'd be a retarded sheep not to show negative feedback toward it, Chang.

Ching chong, fuck China but also fuck Steam

There is no negative impact on consumers because they just don't have to buy the games.

Apparently letting people choose which store to buy games from is now communist

>They're complaining about being forced into using an inferior service

They literally don't have to

Well considering how many people argue that steam is a monopoly I can say I'm surprised.

No shit. But people want to buy the game, but without being forced to through Epic. I guess I know why piracy surged recently

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Yeah, that comment was old when I first heard about that situation at all. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a little outdated.

I would be kind of OK with Epic if it weren't Chink run, but had its own lineup of IPs that it could fund and support. After all, Steam had its start with its game and then some, but to be fair I'm not that well versed in how Steam got its start. But what I do know is that Steam did a good job of distributing and supporting games that it did own, like L4D, CS 1.6, Half Life 2, etc. Epic's original IPs so far for the Epic Games store is what, Fortnite?

>But people want to buy the game,

They don't want to buy the game that much

>There is no negative impact on consumers because they just don't have to buy it

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>there is no negative impact on consumers because they just don't have to buy the games
Except you know how Epic has a history of fuddling their users private info, the multitude of privacy breaches exposing said info to hackers and scammers, the precedent this will set if even a sliver of success that will further harm the free digital marketplace for media and render consumer choice useless.

This is a Motherboard article by the way.

Its IP is Unreal Engine, though.
RIP UT

>kills paragon and UT
>shoves all their eggs into a trend hopping shitshow
>thinks this will get others to change their ways

Are you fucking serious? Nevermind, fuck Epic if it's just going to sit on its ass with Fortnite and Unreal Engine like this.

Even if it's up to 10-20%, Phoenix Point devs still win

Just pirate the game, you literally don't have to use Epic Store

My god you guys are annoying.

Most people hate epic because they have set a precedent by forcing exclusives onto PCs. The thing with them being Chinese is a minor issue. Them being shady as fuck is a bigger issue, but ties into my first point. This is not about defending Steam at all. It's about protecting PC gaming from a company hellbent on destroying the way we get our titles.

>ignoring microtransactions
>ignoring denuvo
>ignoring day one DLC
>ignoring games that literally brick consoles
>ignoring pre-order bonus jewery

lel they just don't want the game I guess don't like it don't buy it xD

Well from the their own statements if it hit 100% (which it never would) they'd still win, I'm just saying throwing around 3% is inaccurate at best.

test

>Just Pirate it
And hope that Epic's Fortnite bucks run out and their shitty business practice actually bite them in the ass? At this point it's about the principal of it all. Epic and their console war shit can fuck right off along with any Publisher/Developer that engages in this anti-consumer practice.

There's an old saying about how the hands of Monarch will eventually let go of your throat, but the hands of someone who's doing it "for your own good" will never let go.

They would if it was convenient for them

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It shouldn't come down to committing a crime vs using epic launcher.

Yes, all that hate for GoG
Oh, that's the Epic Drones, shit

>Yes, all that hate for GoG

Steam drones don't hate GOG because GOG is the guy in the dog mask in The Shining

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>people pirate epic store exclusives because they hear the launcher is "Chinese spyware"

>End up with actual Chinese spyware/viruses

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Sekiro's release on Steam is as great as any game can get and piratefags still pirate

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Ofc they'll always pirate. But that number would be much higher in the other instance

>fuck PC gamers
>t. Queers of War developers
Fuck Epic they ain't worth shit to me and haven't been since UT99.

>But that number would be much higher in the other instance

Proof or bullshit

Some people will always pirate. But many more people only pirate when it's more convenient than buying. Steam LITERALLY proved this.

>I like that Epic has a CONSISTENT policy on what games it bribes developers for exclusivity

fuck off chink

>no reviews
>shit community features
>no refund
>no mod support

Those are like 4 things on the very top of the list to me

You literally don't have to play games at all so you can't say anything bad about them or else you're annoying

yes

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Yes? I didn't play Mass Effect Andromeda, but I sure did hear whining from people who did

What's to prove? People pirated Witcher 3 a ton despite giving the game out DRM free on GoG. Pirates will always exist regardless of how easy content is to access. Hell is proof enough

No, they give more to devs, Valve is just greedy and stagnated when they realized they can coast on the effort of other devs by taking a whole 30% cut

If the stopped buying out games and didn't steal my data I wouldn't care honestly

Yeah and even their fucking circlejerk discord is genuinely angry at them for it.

>Oh hey so Epic Store is using the fortnite bucks to make a store?
>Nice, a solid competitor, where I can choose where to buy the same game
>I hope they give me a better price for games, maybe more flexible tax and serv—
>proceeds to do everything anti-consumer in the sun

Fuck them and anyone who shills them, literal jews.

Then it doesn't matter. Witcher 3 is one of the msot pirated games

Steam is plenty consistent
>does it work
>is it inoffensive enough as to not attract media attention

Where arw the porn games on epic, chang?

>a whole 30% cut

You mean the 'whole 30% cut' that's also taken by Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Apple and Google with not even half the effort put in for storefront/platform features?

let's be honest, would you still hate the christchurch shooter if he had never shot any muslims?

How long before the games media make bashing Epic somehow racism towards the Chinese?

See:

How is epic good for small indies? Theyre not even allowed on

What does this have to do with storefront features developed to be of use for devs and users?

Shakedown Hawaii
Axiom Verge
Oxenfree
Thimbleweed Park

Witcher 3 sold millions too and no it wasnt the most pirated game. You're dealing with absolutes paints you as autistic

RPS is already started on that angle, which is why it's better to focus on the anti-consumer negatives instead

It's also one of the most successful ones.

Why didn't Witcher 3 and Sekiro flop on PC after allegedly being pirated so much?

>a LttP ripoff sells better on a Nintendo console than on PC
who could've guessed

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Reminder that anyone, ANYONE, who comes in contact with a virus from pirating on the modern Internet is a braindead retard. Get fucked

>Shakedown Hawaii
Retro City Rampage was a pretty fucking popular game m8

If GOG had paid exclusives, myself, and plenty of others would hate it too. The chinks are just the icing on the cake for EGS. But the cake is still made of poop and pee.

Why didn't Exodus flop despite being on the Epic Store?

Oof.

considering their only metric so far is "2.5 times better than the game that flopped," who's to say it didn't?

yeah
them being chinese owned is just a bonus

You didn't answer my question. Nice deflection though

Why didn't Deep Silver give out actual sales numbers instead of using fuzzy math to say a game sold 2.5x better at launch than the previous game that actually sold like shit on release?

>"users say"
Don't they mean "we datamined these stats by scanning users pcs"?

>give every game on steam a big splash ad
>all the ads are buried under each other

Do you unserstand the point of having an ad?

pcgamer.com/ubisoft-has-extended-its-partnership-with-the-epic-store/

Tsk tsk tsk, can't you guys just admit that being on Steam isn't as worthwhile as it used to be?

I bet you think the people that crack your games just don't include malware because they are really ethical and committed to the scene

I'd bet actual money it's because the switch to Epic drove more customers to directly purchasing off of Uplay

>>give every game on steam a big splash ad
>>all the ads are buried under each other

You just need to give ads to the worthwhile games.

RAGE 2 is not a worthwhile game other than to Bethesda shills.

for producers maybe, devs wont see any more money on epic

it is to Steam, because Bethesda gave them a fat wad of cash for the ad

Where in there does it say anything about the official sales for Metro Exodus?

>devs wont see any more money on epic

Shakedown Hawaii guy is a self published indie dev on Epic store after he was paid by them. Devs are already seeing the Epic store advantage

Why didn't Genesis flop despite Phil Collins being a terrible singer?

user if you keep jumping around with that goalpost you'll break it

That's probably exactly right, especially of it didn't actually cost Ubisoft anything.

>he doesn't feel it coming in the air tonight
oh lord

>Shakedown Hawaii guy

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Why are Steam drones insane assholes?

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I mean, he's right. Games shouldn't have Steam pages with a release date of TBD

This happens all the time and they aren't all Epic Store exclusive

Typical seething Steam cuck

If anything Ubisoft got a good injection of money doing it, killing two birds with one stone

Based.

>This happens all the time
and it shouldn't. Hopefully this whole debacle pushes to Steam to not allow pre-orders or store pages unless they have a release date

It will. It's almost as if competence is good huh

Answer the question schlomo

I wouldn't hate them at all.

Name one time it's happened for a game that wasn't console exclusive

Rape day was the only game that had media fuss, there were a bunch of other anime shit that got banned

According to user competence is being an insane asshole

Evenicle

It got bad because too many options to consumers leaves people being more selective. That's not Valves fault that's one of the issues of an open platform. People buy more games on Switch then steam because they aren't competing with shit like Witcher, Far cry, Arma, etc. Switch has too little options and most of it's library outside of the marios and zeldas are nothing but Indie trash.

Imagine being literally too stupid to pirate without getting a virus. I feel sorry for you.

i'm just not naive enough to think that the very same people skilled at editing binaries and breaking copy protection aren't using those same skills to hide and distribute viruses

Let's be honest, you'd suck Chinese dick for pocket change wouldn't you OP?

They get to use forums, direct communication, advertising, and keep updates posted for free despite not even being for sale until 2020. That ability comes out of the 30% cut that Valve "greedily steals" yet they allow companies to keep their store page up regardless

>not even being for sale until 2020

That still means they'll come out on Steam

That's way too far off to have a steam page up

store.steampowered.com/app/532790/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Bloodlines_2/

>Available: March 2020

Kek Epic is the publisher you clown. There are no indies on the Epic store. Epic literally LITERALLY pays and gets paid by the dev to sell their game for them.
Protip: This is 100% exactly what a typical publisher does.

In other words you're a paranoid idiot who's literally too stupid for piracy.

>retards regurgitate buzzspeak without any comprehension

30% is the minimum standard take to keep a storefront operational. Epic has been on record saying that they're 12% cut is not profitable, they're using their Fortnite and China bucks like Welfare for devs and hoping to smoke out the competition with unsustainable profit margins. This is the walmart and Chinaman strategy and usally leads to stale, stifled markets. Anyone repeating this slogan ousts themselves as brain dead retards that asks stupid questions fed to them.

Sorry I meant that for

t. poorfag who thinks downloading a torrent and copying a file makes him smart

>actual release date, if vague
meanwhile:
store.steampowered.com/app/598730/Shakedown_Hawaii/

a publisher pays for the game to be developed, not pay for the game after it is developed

t. literal retard who's too stupid to pirate without getting viruses

store.steampowered.com/app/679910/Meawja/

Actually meanwhile

>Not on Epic Store

They do both. Look at the myriad of kickstarters secured a publisher after funding and developing their game. A publisher can come into the picture at any point, even post launch.

If someone else's money is funding any portion of anything, you aren't an indie. Epic pays devs, they literally publish the game.

they should both be taken down

>he posted from his herpes ridden PC

I manage to hate Origin and the Bethesda Launcher and refuse to buy anything on them, even without direct chinese involvement, so I don't know why it should be different for Epic.

Nah Epic is fucking spyware and likes to pass on costs to consumers.
I hated them before I found out they were chink owned
>Made Fartnite
That should really tell you how cancerous they really are.

Consumers are whiny toxic cunts that need to fuck off.

>t. Tim Sweeney

well apparently Epic is removing the need for consumers

>Not pretending, merely retarded

I dont hate them

Good, the industry needs less of you fuckers.

Reminder epic is paying for your copy so it's okay to pirate

I'd hate them a lot less

considering the money consumers give to shit like Fortnite and GTAV, you might be right

Yes, the entire company is a shitshow, they abandon actually decent games for something comparable to spider-man elsa youtube videos and forcing exclusives on their featureless janky shit launcher
Also, the company is owned by the illegitimate inbred bastard child of Stephen King

Not saying valve is any better, if I had to pick, GOG is the only good launcher, but because so many people ignore it, it'll be dead in a decade or less. It's like people deliberately want to get fucked over by big companies that only think of you as a cow that pours money from its tits.

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I only hate them because of the exclusivity bullshit.

No you wouldn't

I'd say big companies would be at fault if GOG dies out, they don't trust a no-DRM storefront

It's more that they don't sell on GOG

What do you expect from an epic shill

Based
Valve drones don't care about choice, they are just worried about their download licenses
HL2 was the first Steam code in a box, even if you bought it physically it required Steam therefore it isn't an actual physical copy even if it came with a disc. You can't use it being sold physically as an argument when it requires Steam either way.
You implied the reasons they pushed digital distribution, more profit with less effort and the customer gets far less in return for their money and it allows for other shitty tactics like easy distribution of dlc and mtx which only encourages them to be made, early access which is paying to test someones game or doing it for free even though devs used to have to pay people to test their games, intentionally release their games unfinished or unplayable without a patch because they can easily patch it through some console wannabe platform like Steam which only encourages them to be released unfinished or unplayable, etc. Gabe said it was a bad thing that developers used to have to release their games complete and playable without a patch because they had no way of patching it.
Steam was the consolization of PC and Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company.
This is not the PC gaming I thought we were going to have in the 90s and early 00s.
Anyone that uses Steam or pays for digital distribution has absolutely no right to complain about Epic, you voted with your wallet for the developer to make as much money as possible with the least amount of effort.

Nigga knows whats up. I remember in 2004 STILL trading around retail games with friends - Steam changed all that

Doom 3 just had a CD key, something as old as Starcraft - and guess what? I could play it, no big deal.

I hate Steam and Steam niggers - yes of course I use Steam, but I'd love if it were destroyed and we went back, but until that happens, I'll support Steam's enemies.

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GoG got its start selling literal abandonware to people that they could easily download themselves for free with zero legal ramification.

And they are still remembered more fondly than the Epic store, which has done NOTHING but ally themselves with gooks (and coincidentally adopting all the same gook tactics in tandem - but there definitely isn't anything there...).

devs used to release incomplete or unplayable games all the time before digital distribution was widespread, you were just fucked because they wouldn't bother releasing a patch.

yes

supporting Steam's enemies won't take things back to the way it was before Steam, it'll just replace Steam with a worse platform

Yes. The Chinese shit is just the icing on the cake

>devs used to release incomplete or unplayable games all the time before digital distribution was widespread, you were just fucked because they wouldn't bother releasing a patch.

What's changed?

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Yes.

>And they are still remembered more fondly than the Epic store

EPIC isn't even a YEAR OLD you fucking retard

Steam, Epic, Origin, GOG - they're all the same shit sandwich that we all have to eat.

I'd just like to shove more shit down the Steam drones mouth

nothing beyond it being much easier for devs to release patches. Plus getting a refund is considerably easier now so you can just return a game that doesn't work.

UT2K4 was the teet I suckled from as a baby FPS player. The fact that they abandoned UT for Fortcraft is a fucking atrocity and they should burn in fucking Hell for it.

why don't you pirate everything if you're so staunchly opposed to digital distribution?

>Plus getting a refund is considerably easier now so you can just return a game that doesn't work.

Tell that to the people who haven't gotten refunds for Towns or Godus

Because I'd rather live in a world where people didn't use smart phones, but that's the world we live in.

>there are options available to me that don't support the thing I hate
>but I'll just keep using the thing I hate because society, man

>Conveniently ignore every other gripe about Epic Store
>"You guys just care about ___ , huh?"
You're a fucking moron and terrible at arguing.

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Yes. Even EA hasn't directly spit in my face as many times as Epic has

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>Paragon
>fun
actual graphics don't make a game fun

It's a cycle that relegates GOG's market into old games only
>New games don't release on GOG
>GOG keeps selling old games only
>Big companies don't release on GOG since they think GOG only sells old games on top of no DRM

>reviews are coming
The technology just isn't there yet

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>Dude who cares if a company scammed people? The product they paid for was shit anyways lmao
Begone retard

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>pay for a shit product
>be surprised when it's a scam
you're like those retards who pay for gacha games and kMMOs

I just pirate now, fuck paying for a download license and fuck financially rewarding that cancer, that said if Valve were boycotted into bankruptcy after they launched Steam like they should have been then the others wouldn't have been attempted.
Gabe had to buy Heroes of Might and Magic 3 or 4 four times because he kept breaking it.
Not nearly as much or as bad since they didn't have an easy way to distribute an update and it left a much more sour taste in the mouths of people who bought it. Troika rightfully went bankrupt and closed like they deserved, that wouldn't happen today.
It was only like that on PC because there were still inconvenient ways of updating like making people download it from the developer's website.

>Billion dollar corporations don't owe you the product you paid for! Just keep spending and never question us goyim!
Absolutely disgusting. You're one of the most obvious shills I've ever seen

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It's not about chinese companies having ownership or not. It's about their actions to fuck over players.

Epic can fuck off, but you only have yourself to blame for sinking money into an F2P game.

Pretty sure they refunded people

>Trust a big name company that makes a lot money to deliver a product your paid for
>They take your money and give you nothing in return
>Dude it's your fault for trusting them
You're not even trying to hid the fact that you work for Epic. How embarrassing

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Yeah thats still shit to be up for that long. At least it's preorderable.

why the fuck would I shit on retards who pay for F2P games when they're Epic's largest customer base

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Not really. I wouldn't use them but I also wouldn't talk shit about them at every opportunity.

Why would Epic consistently shit on consumers despite being reliant on them? It's almost like companies stop giving a shit once they make a ton of money

yes, so why would you trust them to not shit on you in the first place

The same reason people used to trust Blizzard

List of reasons to like Epic:
>
>
>

List of good things Epic has done for gamers:
>
>
>

Come on now user they made themselves look bad enough to make other companies avoid signing anything with them

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and look how that worked out for them

Exactly. Thanks for proving my point

what point, that you're a retard for trusting big companies?

Yea.
>shitty application
>horrible customer support
>pays to gmhave games exclusive on their platform
>their model is working atm the moment because they are using money off the fortnite craze and the Chinese company backing.

>said the morbidly obese, le epic gaben worshiper
get the fuck outta here, sweaty

>Steam drones just hate competition.

exclusivity isn't competition, it's the exact opposite, you absolute fucking retard.

>Look guys I'm not a shill because every big company is bad, but don't blame them when they do bad things okay?

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Companies are bad for making predatory F2P shit, but those who put money into it are still retards.

I like Steam because we pay 20 $ for 60$ games in Argentina. We also only get 300 $ of wage but I would choose to pay 20 over 60 obviously

>people who buy things are retarded
okay

Based

when they buy things literally made to scam retards, yes.

They own GOG you mong

While for me it definitely is about China (why the fuck would I support a company, knowing that I'm just supporting the dystopian hellhole that is China), for many others it's just that Epic's business practices are shit and rapidly causing a decline in the quality of the PC marketplace.

Valve's practices are shit and is why the quality of PC and games in general declined, why does Valve get a pass? EGS would have never even been attempted if Valve were boycotted into bankruptcy after they launched Steam

>To be honest I'm surprised Riot Games, which is 100% owned (i think?) by tencent isn't as absolutely fucked as it has the potential to be

>he hasn't played the game recently

Nah, LoL is pretty fucked right now. Ranked has become a literal coin toss, difficulty has been thrown out the roof for "which team can snowball the hardest within 10=15 minutes," the handful of current OP champs are the ones that are getting designated skins within a month or two, and the cosmetic side of things is so ridiculous right now that you have to spend $120 if you want to get a prestige chroma for your main.

But I'd have to agree that Tecent isn't responsible for most of their fuck-ups, it's just Riot themselves that are shitting their own bed (as usual.)

Why do you lie Epic shill? Valve saved PC gaming. Epic is killing it.

Valve has objectively done more for PC gaming than any single company. Between pushing for Linux support for as many games as possible, and providing a completely open market for anyone with a hundred bucks to publish their game on, they've completely opened up the PC market more than it's ever been.

You really think the massive indie boom we've been going through for the past 5~ years would be possible without Valve and Steam? You really think all those indie games that are now getting fat stacks from Epic would even be published on such a scale before Steam? You can hate on digital distribution and Valve's complacency all you want, but it's completely asinine to say Valve has done nothing but harm to PC gaming.

Yes.

Yeah, but it would just be "nope" instead of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE"

Let's say that everything you just said is correct. How would boycotting Valve in favor of Epic change anything for the better at this point? Epic is introducing a whole bunch of new problems to the marketplace that I CAN help prevent by refusing to use their services.

What does Epic do for me, the consumer, that Valve doesn't already do better?

Ccp party members are not to be trusted, retard. It's not a conspiracy

Post your face when you didn't download the Epic launcher and never will.

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League has lost all morals on design and has completely sold out. They keep the same business model because it has always raked in millions daily, but their marketing and design choices have gotten sluttier with age.
Watch the progression of skin development, especially Pool Party sets.

>mfw Epic has done more to help Valve's public image than any other company, Valve themselves included

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No, Japanese games are morally wrong.

>quality of PC and games in general declined
This is literally not true, though.
Consoles are the reason why quality of PC games has declined if you can even make that statement with a straight face, and I suppose you could.
All the PC exclusive genres on the other hand are only getting better as years go by.

I like fortnite

>All the PC exclusive genres on the other hand are only getting better as years go by.
ha ha, yeah...

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Yes. Tencent literally doesn't matter to me outside of them having even more money to just throw at publishers for exclusivity.

Based, fuck Steam

What are you trying to say? AoE2 is not that great when you compare it actual strategy games like Hearts of Iron 4 or actual tactics games like Men of War Assault Squad 2 or Graviteam Tactics.

Nostalgia goggles can only go so far.

why the fuck are grand strategyfags so insufferable, go fuck yourself with your $80 of DLC

>actual strategy games like Hearts of Iron 4
oh no no no

Why are you so butthurt? I'm not telling you that you can't play and enjoy AoE2.

Yes. That is in fact what actual strategy looks like. AoE and all old strategy games are actually a hybrid between tactics and strategy. Which is fine, but when you want tactics you can go play something like Assault Squad 2 and it's way better. And when you want strategy.. you can play something that involves precisely strategy and doesn't bog you down with half-baked tactics and micromanagement. Doesn't have to be HoI4. That's just the most multiplayer friendly option, because I assume if you play AoE2 then multiplayer is what you're looking for. For single player there's way better shit out there. Like Aurora 4x or War in the Pacific AE.

>hurrr durrr its not competition if they buy the exclusives!!
Fucking retards, by down that they force steam to improve themselves, meaning the user wins in the end if they get a better service, can't expect Yea Forums to know a damned thing about economy I guess.

>by doing that they force steam to improve themselves
No, by doing that they force steam to start buying exclusives themselves which will quickly turn the entire market into a complete shitshow.

If epic store actually got a "fair" competition business model (such as games being both on steam and epic store), you fags would still shit on epic store by bringing up the xbox argument
>hurrr why get a xbox (epic store) if i can get it on pc (steam)
You retards will always complain about everything, regardless of the scenario.

i hate sweeney the swine
the fact that chinks are with partners just makes it worst
he might have trannies and niggers partners i would hate him, epic and partners all the fucking same
i hope the next tarrant visits epic

>hey you like RTS games?
>well play some games that aren't RTS games, that'll show you how much RTS games suck!
what is it about grand strategy agames that cause some anons to crawl completely up their own ass

Huh, would you look at that, you got Bethesda games on steam now, guess the user benefited in the end, guess my argument was right.

no one's complaining about VTMB2 being on Epic

Yes, being chink is just the cherry on top of the shit sundae.

sucking so much chink dick is bad for your health

>>hurrr why get a xbox (epic store) if i can get it on pc (steam)
Not even remotely the same thing. If Epic wants consumer's business it should offer benefits that make it more appealing than other platforms. GoG isn't anywhere near as popular as steam but I still use it because it offers me games without DRM.

What's your mental malfunction? You tried to say that pc genres haven't been getting better by posting a game from a genre that literally died because other genres evolved from it, became better and deleted the entire user base.

Rts games don't suck, they are just obsolete and only people with nostalgia goggles care.

Except it is the same thing. Because you never see anyone here praising microsoft for doing this move, they shit on xbox by not having "exclusives" without knowing buying those games on pc is still giving microsoft money. Imagine if they never did this, they would shit on them even more, call them greedy, etc.

I don’t care about how many launchers I’ve got installed and I think anyone who does is challenged in some way. Steam has gotten better over time, so will Epic.

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Grand strategies are more of an evolution of 4X games, not RTSes. Yet 4X games are still around. And besides, one publisher basically controlling an entire genre and using that control to jew an entire fanbase for hundreds of dollars worth of DLC is not in any way an improvement or decent tradeoff for the death of RTS.

ok, I'll come back to Epic when it has better functionality, runs lighter, and doesn't scrape my computer for data and transmit it back to home base.

oh wait

Consoletard retardation has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Then why complain about a different launcher if you're using the same platform in the end? That's even more retarded if you ask me. Don't relegate an argument just because you think one population of players is inferior.

I don't care how much launchers I have, right now I have about 5 installed and 2 in active use. What I'm against is bribery.

Xbox FTW.
It has the high ground for both areas.
#winning

Because is something's exclusive to Epic that means I have no options but to buy it for whatever price they ask, there's no freedom for the consumer to shop around to get the best deal. I'll complain about being forced to use Epic because the Epic platform lacks tons of features that are available on Steam, just because they're both on PC doesn't somehow make them the same. I don't know where you pull this bullshit line of reasoning from.

Grand strategy is literally a combination of Rts and tbs. It trades slightly less strategic depth for better multi-player compatibility like Rts.

Also, the genre that probably took the most Rts players is MOBA. because that does the elements of Rts that were popular and pretty much reduces the game down to that.

MOBAs killing Rts is far more accurate than niche genres like GS and tactics games killing RTS

of course, you don't try to argue that because MOBAs being an improvement over RTS is laughable

What? It's simple to follow steams rules.
>Is it ilegal? Y/N
>Does the game start? Y/N
>Will it attract negative attention towards Valve? Y/N

I would actually argue that, because we have evidence to suggest it is true. I personally don't like MOBA though, I would unironically rather play ra95, and that game aged like milk. .

>we have evidence to suggest it is true
>MOBAs are universally garbage
>RTSes are not
seems like we have more evidence to the contrary

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They could actually develop exclusives worth having instead of poaching finished games. People wouldn't really mind that since every other launcher does it.

well Origin and Uplay have yet to stumble upon the "worth having" part, but they're trying at least

Fuck off hashinshin, that's the best part

>>Is it ilegal? Y/N

What's illegal about Rape Day? Steam mongoloids will never be able to answer this

just stopped reading there, huh?

>Wanting ads
>For every game released on Steam
>DAILY

So you want Valve to bombard every user on Steam with 20+ ads every day? And how would any of the games gain any traction when they are competing even harder for screenspace than they already are?

It's pretty easy to figure out which is which.

>Blaming Tencent is moronic
Other than the Chinese being fucking poisonous and horrifically bad for the rest of humanity. The gains we'd make as a species, if they all just dropped dead right now are staggering.

>Steam has gotten better over time, so will Epic.

>Keep bragging about all the fortnight money
>Still can't even put basic features that Blizzard and Ea's store had day one
>"It's shit now but it'll get better SOMEDAY!"

Would you have said that in 2004 when Steam was just worthless, shtity DRM?

No, because you're a Valve drone.

and when Epic stops being worthless, shitty DRM that is objectively worse in every way than its competitors, maybe we'll speak differently about it.

But this need Epic has for everyone to fall to their knees and suck their cock because they're offering developers a better cut, and the insistence by shills that they're good because Steam bad, is tiring.

It's 2019, dipshit. I'm not going to be fucking around with software from 2004 with all the dumb bullshit that comes with it and use it while it has "catch up" to current standards.

China is superior to the west. This is why almost everything you own was made in China. And all your jobs moved to China, now you are stuck being an IT person for a company that has 0 physical creations.

What's alarming is that they think we haven't seen a shill before.

>I SUCK COCK FOR MONEY BUT.....

Well Mr. Shillington, you must be new here. Transparent as a one-day-old fish.

>Transparent as a one-day-old fish.
is that...notably transparent?

Your economy is going to fall apart, very soon.

Do you know what a minnow is? You can see it's organs.

Ooo a vague warning from an user with no basis. Hmmm, the west is going to fall apart, very soon.

>you could conceive and birth a child by the time the Epic Store obtains a shopping cart function

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Hurts doesn't it? Knowing that your cat toy factory of a country is going to start to eat itself.

Nope

Then why don't you?

>a fucking shopping cart is a long term project that will take 6+
>AUTOMATED REFUNDS ARE "WHENEVER WE GET TO IT"
>this is the platform that will topple Steam

>caring about indie shit
If it’s not an RPG or Stealth Game, then who gives a fuck?

nope, tencent is reason i dont like it

outside of a few edge cases, I've recently found indie games much more fun than mainstream stuff. Not being beholden to publishers lets them try more wackadoodle stuff.

If RTS are so great, why is the number of people playing them so small? If mobas are so bad, why is the number of people playing them so large? It doesn't add up.

clearly Fortnite is the best game ever made, then

I'm pretty sure he's talking about in a non-game way like having aids in the launcher or something

Among them, yes. Your opinion is not more valid that millions of opinions.

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are these the kinds of retards Epic threads attract

or is this the hot new Chink shilling tactic

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No, I want my games in the same place

China is superior. What makes you think your opinion is more valid?

Valve doesn’t provide an insidious service on the part of the consumer. The only negative part of Steam is the fact that it’s made Valve lazy, and we want more games from them. I don’t get the hate, unless you desire a DRM free alternative which GoG provides nicely.

I don’t care what you say. I don’t care that the publishers now obtains a greater cut on the Epic Store. Publishers (and some devs) have consistently bit the hand that feeds them, so I no longer give a damn about half of them.

The final straw for me in regards to Epic was when they tried to buy out Cyberpunk - the fucking cheek of it.

People hated Steam for such a thing back in the day.

hey, millions of flies can't be wrong

Because I’m 19 and in College. Don’t reply to me ever again you chink piece of shit or I’ll fucking kill you.

I dislike them because their only contribution to the scene is "we payed a bunch of developers for exclusive rights to sell you their shit"
They're not even pretending like they have the customers interests anywhere near the list of considerations.
It's the definition of soulless capitalism.
Valve is obviously not a pure soul either but at least they were the first and still only ones to offer a lot of the services that Steam provides. They're far, far from perfect and I avoid steam whenever possible, but there is at least a reason that it exists beyond "We saw an opportunity to muscle into a market and make a lot of profits without having to actually offer anything of value"

How is Fortnite doing currently? I don’t hear much about it anymore.

Flies dont have opinions, mate. Try a different meme.

For a large portion of the population, evidently so.

>muh poor indie devs, epic is forcing monopoly!
nothing's stopping the devs from not taking the offer and instead release their game on multiple platforms

Shitting on the game Valve drones said would defeat it

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>nothing's stopping the devs from not taking the offer

Shame its up to the publishers then. They'd probably sell both kidneys to epic if they made an offer high enough.

New thread

>people not playing the game is an indication of how many people are playing the game

fuck off

even sjws are openly racist against the chinese moreso than white men

New thread

New thread

Epic has done nothing wrong.
Gamers are entitled, I didn't believe it until this fiasco but it's true.
You're all a manbabies.

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Shut the fuck up nigger

I don’t hate them because it makes the niggers of Yea Forums seethe