What the FUCK went so wrong?

tbc/vanilla are pretty much the same, just like wrath/cata/mop are pretty much the same

Nothing is wrong. Azerite powers could be tweaked but this whole "bfa is le bad" is a psy-op done by the same discord trannies shilling ffxiv.

Neck yourselves trannies.

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their devs are so incompetent can't even reskin races properly that's what fucking happened

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Tbc has more in common with BfA than it does with vanilla.

They still have a player base of at least 2+ million (personal estimate).
That's 2+ million too many.
Those 2+ million are going to shill this fucking game like it's their fulltime job if something "good" happens to stir up false hype about nothing worth being hyped at.
This game will have at least one more expansion because of a variety of reasons, aforementioned probably being a big one. Addicts need their fix of course.

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WoW is basically a F2P microtransaction based theme park game and has been for at least the past 8 years

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>blows the fuck out of trannies and ffxiv weebs in one post
The hero we need bros

They kept the shitty gearing system from WoD, and the rest of the expac wasn't good enough to carry it.

I want to marry and impregnate a Void Elf

Microtransactions only get you mounts, or let you skip leveling (which is irrelevant anyways). They have no effect on endgame content.

>Games as a service
>Season patches obsoleting gear
>Devs try to say obsoleting is fine because its like raid tiers
>Ignore the fact prior raid tiers were used to build up to content

There are about 600k max level characters in every server combined. Considering everyone still playing has at least 1(probably closer to 3-4, but I'm generous) it's 600k active players. Why do you think blizz doesn't release subscriber counts anymore.

I'd say MOP was the beginning of daily quest and chore list world content with daily/weekly lockouts and welfare legendaries

If anything:
Vanilla/TBC
>epics dropped from raids and rarely from dungeons
>legendaries dropped from raid bosses that required a guild effort to get to or craft
>Leveling taught you how to play your class and every character mattered in dungeons and raids
>End game was based on progression through the tiers
WOTLK/Cata
>tier progression was removed in 3.2
>legendaries were garenteed within a month or two via questlines rather then boss drops
>tier gear could be bought for dungeon badges
>homoginization of gear, introduction of automated systems like looking for dungeon, and daily quest rep grinds replacing end game questlines entirely

MOP onward
>Welfare legendary gear
>tier gear from daily quest grinding
>daily quests replace not only end game questing by this point, but also end game dungeons as the main source of end game progression, further dumbed down by mission tables

BFA is less about alliance vs horde than pandaria expansiion.

retard take

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Some autist took a fat shit on the lore so he could fuck Sylvanis with his OC donut steel, which rippled into having nothing interesting available that they could do with the expansion.

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Time gating.

>or let you skip leveling (which is irrelevant anyways).

That's WHY it's irrelevant idiot

>tfw tried for weeks to get back into bfa
>it's just boring
>nothing keeps me interested in playing the campaign
>no more artifacts, back to the basic boring rotations I've done a million times
I wanted to like it, bros. I really did.

What you forget is that somebody somewhere out there in the great wilderness is giving Activizzard the money in your stead by buying a token to get gold. This seems to be a quite common thing everywhere, the people I know about who still play just pay for their subs using gold, but the tokens have to come from somewhere, right?
Also, what he said. Too many people are buying mounts, pets and toys.

I have done some "research" myself on sites like realmpop or wowprogress. The former tells you that there are like 3.1 mio characters on 120 on the US realms and about 3.7 mio on the EU realms. Of course that includes alts and people who have long since let their sub run out and on top of that nobody knows if these numbers are actually true in any way.
Meanwhile wowprogress tells you that across all realms that are listed on that site you have something 1.1 to 1.6 mio (I forgot the actual number, I just added up all the characters the site deemed eligible) characters who have killed any boss in the current tier on heroic mode. Of course this will include alts as well and every other character who doesn't qualify simply isn't showing up.
For sure you can derive any number of subs from the information we have access to if you try hard enough. Could very well be that there are still like 8 million people running around from all the shilling you can see on Yea Forums on some days. We simply have no idea how many there are.

>implying mounts that get slapped onto the store wouldn't be the content the game has been sorely lacking since WoD
gee i wonder who's behind this post

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Multiple agents.

Remember: Subscriptions are no longer the basis on WOW's success, because whales buying tokens and mounts are worth more to the company and cause less of a server load and bandwith load for the company, thus being cheaper and more profitable then actual subscribers

There's a reason its nickname is "Beta for Azerite"
The idea with azerite gear was to preserve the artifact progression system of legion except with constant choices instead of just capping out your artifact early on. In reality it's a horrible system where you have to get blatantly better azerite gear pieces through sheer luck and get penalized for not farming artifact power rather than get rewarded for farming it

story isnt why BFA is bad lorefag.

Pretty much every expansion since MoP has been shit at launch. Playing it casually it isn't that bad, but there's no real enticing rewards for anything yet besides allied races.

Yeah, the whole time gating system, RNG, and lack of choice in gearing in modern WOW does not work well with azerite system at all.

The gameplay has been shit for years, the only reason people play this shit was because they enjoyed the story for whatever reason.

And when you go from slaying space demons on space ships to trolls v pirates, shit gets stupid.

>More rep mounts are content

more content than "fork over 25 bucks so you can ride a giant "LOOK AT ME I HAVE MORE MONEY THAN BRAIN CELLS" sign"

>Every expansion since MOP has been shit at launch
Been that way since WOTLK
3.0 was just Naxx rehash
4.0 was a bullshit grind through heroic modes for badges using the new queue system and 'hard' heroics that just made everyone spam kick eachother until they got a carry group
5.0 was daily quest rep grind gated end game
6.0 was fucking facebook game table
7.0 was praying your legendary RNG wasn't shit before good luck protection kicked in, and endlessly farming maw of souls
8.0 is litterally nothing to do but m+ chests on alts

BC was the only functional expansion because it launched with 3 tiers of content to do, you just had to get through the tier progression to get to hyjal which was impossible because kael and vashj were broken as fuck but still, at least blizzard let you try.

Now you just twiddle your thumbs waiting for new content because you just blow through everything the day it comes out

it's worse than Legion but it's not a bad expansion

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Its the first expansion that got me to quit before my sub ran out, and I only sub for the last 2 months and first month of each expansion since cataclysm

What's going on here?

bugged casting animations

I could make another image like this that delves further into my disdain with live, but most of us here know why the game is ass.

Those who don't get it will never understand.

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female zandalari casters are bugged to shit
spells like pyroblast and lava burst have a delay between the animation finishing and the projectile being launched and fucking frost shock somehow only does its damage when the debuff falls off instead of on impact for some reason
this only affects female zandalari

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>frost shock only does damage at the end of debuff
>but only for female zandalari

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Wow has been slowly dying because it's not an mmo's. It's more on par with GTA, a big single player experience with other people in the game

I don't see how it's worse than Legion, Legion was fucking garbage at launch.

A team
>wrath
>Mop
>Legion
B team
>cata
>wod
>bfa
Team we actually fucking need
>Vanilla
>bc (Barring heinous lore fuckups, arenas, flying mounts and terrible race decisions. Fuck even removing faction specific classes is kinda gay. Fuck raising the level cap too. Goddamn.)

Nothing went wrong since you keep buying it and making threds about it.

It's one of the reasons. In order to have people give a shit about the game and the new expansions and patches they have to give a damn about the story. Just watch how much people lose their shit when they saw the shadowbringers trailer.

A team hasn't existed since WOTLK, they developed up until ulduar, 3.2 was the first major patch done purely by team B, which is why the game turned to shit from then onward.

Class design is astronomically worse, as is their replace for the legendary weapon and the class halls

It scraped away everything interesting about Legion (Artifacts/Order halls/Good story in Suramar and Argus) to replace it with the same shit but worse in quality and quantity (Azerite/Islands/War campaign). Microtransactions are cancer yet Legion still had them and it was still a decent game? There just isn't anything to do, in Legion I couldn't wait to level each class to do their order hall and get their mage towers done, in BfA I capped one character before just doing a weekly m+ and raided ad nauseum before quitting a few months in. I don't know how or why they managed to cut so much content, they could of just kept artifacts and continued the order hall stories and i'd be happy with that

Yep. A-team left for the titan project during wrath and we got the B-team. Then in MoP's SoO content drought they trained the C-team and the B-team went to Overwatch and HotS.

And of course they've transitioned over to a D-team with all the affirmative action hiring they've done

i can't tell if that's sad or hilarious considering this race still arrived SIX FUCKING MONTHS late
blizzard really just doesn't give a shit anymore

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Class design in Legion was worse than it was in WoD too. All these expansions are a new kind of terrible and people still play them.

It isn’t why it’s bad, but goddamn is the story bad.

Legion also allowed everyone to level alts to max with the invasion event in mere hours.

BFA on the other hand is slowrolling out new races with slower leveling rates in order to promote boosting as much as possible.

>Heritage armor requires traditional leveling
>Pushing for boosts at the same time
BfA has their own invasion stuff now too.

>free weekend
>nobody on my friends list even bothered
Blizzard really fucking did it this time.

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I said launch invasion event, not the legion invasions that we got later.

The prepatch event for legion was fucking 10/10 both content wise as well as for leveling alts, the shit we got in darkshore for BFA was retarded and useless

Locking speshul snowfleks races behind a timegrind of several months was the last straw for me. New races/class each expansions was my way of enjoying the shitshow until i got bored

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It really just feels like they realised they had no content so tried to make everything last as much as possible, why they didn't extend the burning of teldrassil to all characters to get fast XP is retarded. I tried playing again during the free weekend after I quit during Mythid Fetid and everything just felt so poorly designed, all the 'cutscenes' in the war campaign were laughably bad and everything just felt clunky. The game is so inaccessible if you're not addicted and participating in each of the ongoing systems each week that their only hope is a new xpac/Classic to save the game

>several months
you're the reason this game turned to shit, "hurr durr i'm only allowed one free hour to play a month blizzard please cater to me"

So you're fine with the races, a major feature of the expansion, being gated behind a previous expansjon's content?

>change race when race gets nerfs
who fucking does this? Retail isn't vanilla. Racials haven't had any major impact on gameplay for years.

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The new ones are actually broken

How the fuck did you get that from my post you absolute retard? I was mocking you for having an issue with fucking rep grinding taking """"""""months"""""""" of all things.

You literally cannot make this argument, every other expansion that added races has had
>way more effort put into them
>they were actually available at launch
>you could play them from the get go because you FUCKING PAID FOR THEM
locking allied races behind a grind is just a cheap way to provide the illusion that there's content

Shit is fucking stupid.

I don't mind grinding for rep, so let us fucking grind for rep, the daily grind padding shit is retarded, I would gladly nolife the game on the weekends when I have time to, but fucking logging in an hour every day just to farm out your daily quests for weeks or months just for the privlage of spending hours grinding an alt up 120 levels with the new nerfed level grind where your fastest exp gains are from fucking bugs or pet battles is fucking retarded

good joke, if not for the alliance crying about arcane torrent for over a decade

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Oh, sit down boy. This is going to be a long one.

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It started in Legion when Blood Elves AoE silence was even stronger than dwarf priests in vanilla in terms of race priority, it was mandatory in high end m+ to be a belf. Racials have never been stronger and allied races made it even worse

I re-subbed with gold and it's just alright. I don't feel motivated to really work towards anything with all the animosity towards the game though. I feel like it's time I could spend playing other games.

Funny enough xiv is getting two new races and not only are they infinitely more detailed but way more animation was put into them with new animations and emotes. And they are going to arrive on time instead of six months late

>He thinks playtime is the problem
I've played this game since vanilla. Every fucking expansions past Cataclysm i had to restart because my last main went to shit due to pruning. Why would i bother giving them more time when all that is left is shit daily quests?

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Don't even bring in the leveling experience. The blizzdrones are still convinced you need to earn the right to play at max level, their logic is retarded

>tranny containment game
rather just quit MMOs cold turkey

BUY THE FUCKING PIG

>had to
nice meme

>gender locked
yeah ok, I'm still not convinced viera aren't just catgirls with longer ears though, I really wanted them to have different feet but so far all signs point to just regular feet which is a bummer
hopefully they get fran's outfit with the heels at least

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I was waiting for XIV to finally have blue mages or male vieras and i was still disappointed

Too bad the game itself is korean tier cheap trash.

XIV just feels like wasted potential, the amount of effort they put into the races that just look like generic weebshit is sad. I'd play XIV if it wasn't for their character designs, atleast the allied races (except kul'tiran females) look cool, I get second hand embarrasment every time I see my friends characters every time they try to get me to play XIV

I wouldn't mind the leveling grind if it wasn't such a fucking chore to do.

Post-cata questing is shit, i want hub questing back, but you can only get that in only a handful of BC zones now.

On top of that you don't do anything for 120 levels but smack mobs with 2 abilities and a proc, because everything now is a braindead HP sponge with no mechanics what so ever, even in fucking vanilla you had to learn not to turn your back to mobs, and interrupt heals and manage pulls so you don't get swarmed, now you can just mass dot everything along westfall's shoreline and by the time you reach the lighthouse you'll level from 10-20

allied races were tailored from the ground up specifically to scam people out of race changes, and every other feature is literally just a watered down copy of something from Legion
the beta was filled with red flags and people ate it up anyway
and then they go "gee i fucking wonder why people aren't even bothering to come back to the game when we're offering it for free"

fucking sack that doublespeaking lawyer and his bobblehead yes-man yeti of a "community manager"

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>Rep grind
He said timegrind and I'm sure he meant time gated you mouth breathing retard

I was pretty bummed when they announced Arthas as a raid boss. The Lich King was a big part of the setting for me starting the game as an undead on my first char. Knowing that such a monumental character would be reduced to a loot farm for autists killed a lot of appeal in the setting for me.

>azerite system is just artifact traits but worse
>mission table is just previous mission tables but worse and still shit conceptually
>story is complete garbage, worse than ever
>levelling is irrelevant as ever, so much content left in the dust
>patch turnover time is still absolutely terrible despite the game's apparently massive profits
>"""balancing""" still only done for the sake of changing the game, not to actually have it try and reach a balanced state where all classes have a roughly equal value

tl;dr no core problems fixed, just blindly stomping forward with the same old shit but worse than ever. they just dont care because people will stay subbed no matter what
also no notable femworg lore characters

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they'll never sack Ion
huge cock mojo

>Racials haven't had any major impact on gameplay for years.
It's we didn't even play the same game.

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my man out here gunning for world first

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MY RECORDS SHOW YOU HAVEN'T BOUGHT MY FUCKING PIG AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN LOG INTO THE FREE WEEKEND

YOU'VE FORCED OUR HAND
youtu.be/qpfYQmE5W_g

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>level squish to 60
>old talent tree

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>Warlocks and Mages lose blanket silence
>Shadow Priest (and sometimes DKs) were the only classes allowed to keep their blanket silence
>for whatever reason FUCKING BLOOD ELVES kept their silence

LMAO

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Same but with Kael. It made me drop the game.
WoW autists didn't care though. They were more than happy to kill Arthas.
For some reason they were pissed about Illidan though

team rushed to shit out an expansion for Q3 so now they're perpetually 6 months behind schedule to the point of retardation
>Legion
7.2 is when the cracks BEGIN to show
>BfA
8.2 is when the expansion is likely considered playable because they only just got upto date

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You need to force the game into being community/communication based. You can do it in different ways, but it needs to be the basis.

The real treasure is >>unironically

This game stresses me out. I want to play it, but I feel like it's morally wrong.

Didnt the expansion rushing out directly result in some guy getting a huge promotion cause it made the Q3 sales look good
Never said play the game, was comparing the quality of the two races. Calm your autism.

"things that will never happen for 500"

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*hits blunt* hey... hey lore... hey lore wake up... you know what? what if... when people come home from their soul crushing jobs..... what if.... *hits blunt again* what if we give them soul crushing grinds... to unlock a race so they can abandon that character and have to start all over from scratch... *hits blunt again* surely they have jobs and they spend 1/3 of a day in there so that must mean they love having their soul crushed right?

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level squish is happening

leveling past 100 is fucking dumb and only grindy Korean shit does that

Is that why xiv is successful despite being objectively way worse than wow? Because they have a good community?

makes sense™

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BC was the first major fuck up in WoW. You just didn't realize it because the devs making it were still good.

Increasing the level cap is the biggest mistake any MMO can make. It invalidates all your previous content, and essentially treats each expansion as a new game, rather than EXPANDING on what's there already. Imagine a world where you could be raiding Naxx and BT, with both them more or less being relevant content-wise. And then you just keep adding, and adding, and adding to it.

The sheer amount of material WoW's developed over the course of 15 years should make it one of the most engrossing games ever, but people are left bored, and feeling like there's "nothing to do."

Probably. It's just stupid how BfA of all things had to be the one that kicked the bucket.
>South Seas
>KT/Zandalar
>Playable too (eventually anyway)
>Old God undertones and Azshara reveal
Now they're all going to be squandered and wasted and not looked upon very fondly at all.

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They certainly cant go more faction crap, according to lore the alliance is literally almost out of soliders. Only thing they have is void lords

Activision influence

ionposting is legitimately the best thing this expansion has to offer

>xiv
>successful
They are barely above bankruptcy with their trash game

Wrong. It became obvious within about 2 days of playing at expac launch that the scaling feature was shit. That was the foundation of balance for BFA. You were weaker killing the same mobs at 120 that you killed at 110. That problem was so simple to recognize yet they kept it in. All the other stuff simply compounded on it, and when you build a house on a mountain of shit, you can't expect not to get poop everywhere.

they did this themselves user
put the boogeyman down and just realize that greedy corporate scum will always be greedy corporate scum, no matter what company they're working under

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Blizzard is just such a horrible company.

...

>battle for azeroth
>expansion is all about playing on these random islands and completely ignoring eastern kingdoms and kalimador
Someone explain how this makes any sense

>Microtransactions only get you mounts, or let you skip leveling (which is irrelevant anyways). They have no effect on endgame content.
literally everything wrong with retail wow in a single post

They haven't cared about the leveling experience in years.

Ion Hozzikostas and crew only care about esports, and thats world first raiding and arenas, everything else is just filler or copy pasted content to give people who don't play WOW like a second job something to do

I'M GAY AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE

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It doesn't make any sense. Blizzdrones will just eat anything blizzard shits on their plate

>play WoW since the end of vanilla through wrath.
>skipped cata and pandas
>come back to Legion pretty good but didnt feel like old WoW
>BFA looked like more of same shit from Legion just ramped up to 11
It wasn't hard to notice retard

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i know warfronts are a completely and utterly pointless (both gameplay and lorewise) tug-of-war and mind-numbingly boring but you can't just pretend they don't exist user

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Have you looked at the lore descriptions at the war table? There is legitimately a more interesting expansion happening on the main continents, it's just being played out by a bunch of NPCs in a Facebook minigame.

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>ABLOOBLOO MUH SHOP
Being and mastering the art of being a goblin is content. Stop being bad at making gold and buy some fucking tokens with your in-game gold.

C'mon man. I still play and even I acknowledge it's bad. Azerite is fucking stupid, island expeditions are boring and irrelevant, war fronts are boring and irrelevant, and the world quests and mission table are worse than Legion. The only good thing are the raids so far, and even they are irrelevant since there are no tier sets. The only reason I'm even playing is because I put so much effort into grinding azerite I may as well use my character

>nekos
legit worse than furries especially now that trannies are everywhere

Its fucking trash. Now the army Schumer fat humans, now THAT is kino and worth the wait

my main problem was getting to 120 and realizing how weak I was compared to a few hours ago

worth the weight*

That's the worst part. The war is happening but we aren't involved in ANY of it and it sounds so much better
You don't know what neko is do you user

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Shitposting aside that's what gets me. Like I get it if you don't like the xiv races. But to say that and like the low poly N64 models that are somehow defying all logic and half a year late

that is stupid you get so much free gear and azerite catch up is so easy to get to neclace 40

>>You don't know what neko is do you user
the garbage between human and full-blown furry. frankly, i could not give less shits.

I just enjoy the train wreck desu

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Every fan site from MMO champion to icy veins to warcraft logs shows literally early vanilla values of sub numbers. It really seems like that accidental API leak that let you count people subbed to the game was correct

How did they fuck everything up so hard after they were improving during Legion?

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t.

remember, 40%

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You are claiming that a girl with cat ears and a tail is somehow worse than an actual anthropomorphic furry fit with a snout and full body fur?

>tfw you have to keep playing this shit because my guild are the only people who still care about me in any capacity anymore

I hate it. Also what drooling retard came up with Mekkatorque? It's like they heard every complaint people have about mechanics being tied to VOIP and DBM and assumed it was opposite day or some shit. No boss until now has been this garbage, and yes that's including Tomb.

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You 100% knew it was correct with how fast Blizzard was to deny it. They weren't saying shit for weeks, but suddenly someone had proof about their bottom line falling out?

'Cause you know in the old days they could play the way they wanted to play
They had the fake fun and shit
We can tell niggas today, "Hey, I wanna cash, mothafucka"

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Already happened with Illidan to me.

what i don't get is why they got rid of artifact weapons if they were just going to continue the AP grind anyway with a different name. at least the weapons looked cool.

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Legion they pulled all the stops
>burning legion is back!
>the big bad is here!
>lich king is back!
>dalaran is back!
>illidan is back!
>azshara is here!
>wield doom hammer and ashbringer!
>emerald dream is here!
I could go on and on. It was beyond obvious that they were killing the golden goose to feed us and it wasn't going to last.

>you know how we introduced some mechanics in Legion that people actually liked?
>what if we did that again, but way way worse

are you having a stroke or some shit? i already answered this question.

Not only that but I'm pretty sure they actually threatened legal action against him. The numbers make perfect sense when compared to every other metric, we are at early vanilla numbers

>leak claims there were 3.2m people subbed at expansion start
>expansion sold 3.4m copies in preorder and first day sales
>first day sales to sub ratio is ~1:3
>100% correct

Just confirming you are retarded. If a cute girl puts on cat ears and buttplugs a tail into her ass and you STILL find it worse than someone in a furry costume than you are a massive fag

>hrothgar
>infinitely more detailed but way more animation was put into them with new animations and emotes
>literally look like reskinned roe with shittier animations
Not defending the allied races, but come on

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well excuse me for not wanting to fuck a cat since apparently a regular woman isn't enough for you.
your perception of reality is warped and you need help

>replacing awesome looking weapons with boring ass armor
>for literally the same exact grind
I hope whoever came up with this idea was one of the 800 fired.

And the viera? You know the race that is way more developed because they did it first?

They should have just ended it desu. They never introduced any Void Lord characters besides the old gods so why should we even give a fuck about defeating them? I really have no idea what they're going to do after Queen Azshara because they got no big named villains left

So the NPCs are actually playing the game we wished we could be playing? Being out there doing things all over both continents to contribute to an actual war effort?

Literally yes. This entire expansion feels like a practical joke.

I'm still not sure how Legion ended up good.

>Jay Wilson literally just copypastes Diablo 3 into WoW and then fucks off
>It somehow worked

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the fact that legion's entire storyline was a retroactive "you fucked up son" about illidan and TBC's story is kind of hilarious. TBC was such a fucking mess lore-wise.

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Why else would they they begin legal threats if it didn't hurt their companies image?

Fucking owned.

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You gotta give them props for playing that illidan twist completely straight.

Seriously, if you read the descriptions there's some cool shit going on. Fighting in Lordaeron, Ashenvale, and the Barrens.

Like, did you know the Forsaken are trying to set up a new capitol in Alterac? That the Alliance is working on cleansing Southshore and even rebuilding Theramore? No? Cause that's all in the War Tables.

>bad guys are good
>good guys are bad

Such deep and thought provoking ideals to base an expansion around, really made me think

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>equating playing a race in an MMO with having kinky sex
You're not in any position to question anyone's brainpower, user.

It's awfull. Why did it need a twist? Why did they need to retcon his entire story and turn him into a greater good faggot and ruin his character more?

It's not worse than legion, it is pretty much the exact same. BfA is just boring. There was nothing there to keep me paying. Uninteresting zones, quests, dungeons, raids, lore. It is just all boring and rehashed.

So that's what it is, they finally made an amazing and enjoyable expansion. And then they made us just oversee it from a distance and tell NPCs to go play it.

False equivalence

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They are just fighting battles. You are busy trying to recruit a navy and keep the other faction from also securing one. Would you really rather have 600 quests to kill 15 grunts/sentinels in ashenvale?

I mean it kind of retroactively fixed the original retcon of TBC. The lore of TBC makes literally no sense.

>did you know the Forsaken are trying to set up a new capitol in Alterac

I'm sorry user I can't hear all this potentially interesting story and gameplay over the sound of me having to do my daily/weekly chores to get a few more rolls on Azerite gear. That's what this game is about, right?

TBC wasn't a retcon. Sure it had a trash plot and it was stupid to turn every character into loot pinatas but this was always what WoW was about.

>grind rep to then unlock a new race that you can then grind levels to then get the chance to grind the same rep
Reminder this is BFAs big feature.

>xD WoW has good lore
The absolute state of cuckold pay piggies

>And the viera?
They barely stand out compared to the existing females thanks to their generic proportions in XIV, plus they don't even keep their heels and have limited headgears because "muh development cost".

>tranny catgirl trying to justify his degeneracy "at least i'm slightly more normal than a furry!"
you deserve a gold medal for those mental gymnastics

>Actually fighting the war alongside other heavyweights vs. Watching each faction's Disney Princess come to power and then immediately get benched so Sylvanas can have screentime

Gee what a hard fucking choice

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No. WoW's lore in general is trash. What I'm saying is Blizzard wrote a more interesting expansion in a fucking Facebook minigame you mong.

I would much rather be playing through this shit than the dailies in Zul and KT.

Almost. Of course not 600 quests of filler, but there's so much potential with the idea of a cross-continent war with people building outposts everywhere and incorporating PvP elements across all of it. The idea of a "battle for all of azeroth" opens the doors for them to do basically anything anywhere in the game and the most it gets realized is it talking about those battles in the war table that you never see or truthfully help with. Sure you could argue you are doing your own more important task but part of me does wish I could be helping out with anything else.

>playing WoW
>he's still subbed
the absolute state
>I pay for my sub with GOLD XDDDD
k

I've been unsubbed for months. BFA came out in August, and the mission tables were there at launch.

well too bad you'll enjoy my shitty agenda-filled 12-year-old-who-just-finished-watched-GoT writing with cheap shock value and emotion placed above logic and you'll like it
now sit down before i kill turalyon and replace him with another generic stronk womyn like every single other allied race leader is

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What heavyweights you fucking downy?
>hurr i would rather be fighting no name mooks in an unimportant location no one gives a fuck about than fighting in the actual important place that us going to have major ramifications on who wins the war
Imagine being so stupid youd rather go fight the undead in duskwood than take down Naxxramas in Northrend

>I pay for my sub with GOLD
Is there actually anything of any value to buy with gold at all? Wish I could atleast get the old WC games

>turalyon

Oh no, not the self insert of the average american fat nerd!!!

>lfd/lfr tools
>CRZ
>making servers irrelevant
>cash shop
>flying
>killing attunements
>making leveling an irrelevant chore
>cataclysm
>achievements
>daily/weekly loot threadmill skinner box
>making gearing retarded (removing effects, making ilvl the only important thing)
>excessive pruning
>making all classes the fucking same for the sake of a never-achieved balance
>"bring the player, not the class :^)"
>procbasedrotation.jpg
>flying again, TPs everywhere
>throwing so much loot and goodies at players that it becomes unimpactful
>killing worldbuilding in favor or a shoehorned disgustingly bad overarching narrative @muh cinematic experience in a game that was about being an aventurer dicking around in random places

I'd like to insist on the last point. This game never had a strong narrative, but got away with it because they didn't cram it in your fucking face every occasion they got. Now it's all "ADVENTURER YOU'RE THE HERO LOOK WE'RE IN A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE NOW ACTION CUTSCENES WOAAAH LOOK SYLVANAS DID SOMETHING COOL EVERYONE CLAP" every fucking patch. It's just so embarassing, the writing quality is so fucking low I have no word to describe it. WoW was never about that. MMORPGs aren't about being your leaders sidekick/fuckboy and tagging along in their whacky hijinks, it's about making your own fucking adventures, how hard to understand is that? I pity the 2 million people still addicted to this fucking garbage.

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The worst part about people who say they "aren't even paying for WoW, I use gold!" is that they're grinding mind numbing and boring content and not actually having any real fun.

At that point Joe Shmoe working minimum wage flipping burgers is literally better than you in EVERY way.

user the loser
>wasting time playing a dead game
>grinds all day long for virtual currency (eg: fucking worthless) so that he can keep spending the rest of his days playing a dead game
>lonely, alone, a burden on society

Joe Shmoe
>working a shit job, admired by others for doing so
>will be able to put his job on a resume and eventually get a BETTER job
>could actually make friends with staff and potentially customers if he's likable

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>unimportant location no one gives a fuck about than fighting in the actual important place that us going to have major ramifications on who wins the war

EK and Kalimdor are the important locations. The entire point of Kul Tiras and Zandalar was to strong arm those countries into letting us use their navies so we could go back to fighting for the other zones. Even now we've got big name NPCs in places like Arathi and Darkshore, and I'm sure we would've gotten more if Warfronts weren't a total bomb.

Subs went from 10+mil to sub 1 mil, something went wrong.

seconding this
despite such a fucking obsession with muh cinematics the fucking in-game cinematics look HORRENDOUS, especially the facial animations. you'd think they'd either put some fucking effort into it or just stop fucking trying, but apparently not.

youtu.be/3tWIrrLasJA

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Completely agree with this.

More like 3 millions. And it's pretty stable since MOP. And it still one of the most profitable game in the world.
And Yea Forums keeps talking about it.

It's scary to see how people at /wowg/ fail to see this.
They are supposedly superior for
>spending 50+ hours farming gold to pay for next months sub
vs
>making $15 in 30 minutes at a non shit job

>subs went from 10mil to sub 1mil over the course of 10 years

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>b-but at least it's not my money

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Final fantasy is bad and I do hate trannies but based user BFA is certainly a really bad game

No they aren't. The main cities are the important locations. Arathi, hillsbrad and ashenvale are fucking rural shitholes of little note beyond being in the vague vicinity of cities.
>b-but user its so important for me to kill 8 dwarves near arathi so that the forsaken can set up a shitty outpost thats a way bigger part of the war than defending the zandalari from a blood troll invasion so they'll give us their whole navy

I make enough money in a literal single hour to pay for a month of game time. The only people who use gold are neets without a job still living with their fucking parents. It's not free if you are grinding out the gold at near Chinese slave labor rates.

>not even lip synced
lmao

You actually pay for them retard. This isn't some sort of "gib welfare epix" shit. You actually payed for something that was advertised and don't get it unless you grind previous content.

You're forgetting the most important part
>A community that let them get away with it
People kept leaning in, buying things off of the cash shop and justifying its existence to executives/share holders. If the community demanded a better product and refused to pay in to all of this shit, it wouldn't have gotten this far out of hand. You have to remember that video games, especially things like MMO's are still a business. They have to maximize profits year over year and when gimmicks like these prove to turn higher profit then they are guaranteed to become main stays, and will be iterated on until they are no longer profitable.

>muh big navy maymay suddenly coming out of the writers' ass, in a world with two giant superpower faction.

Also if i'm correct the troll's navy is down, so according to you retarded logic, it should be an insta win for the alliance. Yet no one is talking about it.

flying mounts kicked ass, you can take my netherdrake from my cold dead hands. otherwise totally agree

anyone who still plays this game should kill themselves, prove me wrong

Absolute fucking brainlet. You know the Kul Tirans and Zandalari weren't even part of the factions up until this patch? Literally EVERYTHING before this was to just try and bolster our armies so we could fight in the places we care about. We absolutely did not care about Zandalar and Kul Tiras as just general territories. Lordaeron and Ashen are 100% fucking more important.

I mean Jesus, of course Ashenvale and Darkshore are more important to people like the Night Elves. Why in god's name would they care about fat humans?

The Alliance is factually "weeks away from winning." That's in lore right now. The most recent raid fucked the Horde good.

>muh big navy maymay suddenly coming out of the writers' ass
>t. someone with no fucking clue what they are talking about

Yes. The Alliance is in a very strong place right now, much stronger than if they'd built a few towers in fucking Hillsbrad.

BFA is shit and XIV is shit, don't kid yourself

Flying is a legitimately cool mechanic but it ruined any sense of scale and connection that the world had before. It was the first step in a long line of things that divided players rather than push them together. It's a shame it couldn't have been handled differently. I wish they'd just dropped it all together after TBC.

I stoped playing last year around november.
How long has it been? 15 years and there are shit that's still not in the game.
>cast spell
>staff just awkwardly sits on your back while you do it.
I am not even talking about real problems that plague the game.
I hope blizzard dies. Let them make stupid fucking mobile games and let people move on finally.

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But user that doesn't matter. Xiv does it and it doesn't matter

>literally gaining subs and only growing
>as an MMO in 2019
seething wowbab

Legion had Suramar to keep you occupied. Legion didn't have catch up mechanics instated literally three fucking weeks into the expansion like BfA did. Legion had a faster and more consistent patch cycles. By this point in time in Legion we already had 7.2, whereas right now 8.2 isn't even on the PTR yet.

>every action and spell has it's own animation
Come on user, blizzard is a small indie company. They cant reach the of polish of squeenix

Nothing, really. MMOs live and then they die. The people who are still clinging to WoW need to get a life and stop pretending that Blizzard did something to kill it, look inwards. And no, classic isn't going to fix your issues either- you'll never re-live your rose-tinted memories again, get over it.

I dont play that shit weeb crap.

How long until they go fully F2P you guys reckon?

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Oh god that looks bloody awful.
That might be a less popular opinion but I don't like the more polished cinematics either, they all have that nu-blizzard sameface with the half-closed eyes and over-animated frowning mouths. It's particularly noticeable on female characters.
youtube.com/watch?v=2wREeahXw1Q
Absolutely. The stereotype of the Blizz fanboy cocksucker didn't appear out of thin air.
I respect that, user. I see a lot of people loving flying mounts so I guess there's a point for them existing, but I'm really not fond of those myself, pretty much what said.

>The Alliance is factually "weeks away from winning." That's in lore right now. The most recent raid fucked the Horde good.
and yet that can't be because we're only one patch deep into the xpac. hmmm gee i wonder what will happen in a few weeks
oh yes the ancient evil that has awoken is going to make a move in the exact same amount of weeks and it's time for another ancient chaotic evil entity. let me guess, the alliance has to handle it all while the horde licks their wounds. bonus points, the alliance navy gets fucked in the process. back to square one and - who could have seen it coming - the situation is mirrored for both factions. again.
jesus christ this is so predictable it's not even funny. i don't even care who's brainless enough to enjoy this drivel, who the fuck looked at this and thought "yeah this is good writing, submit it"

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Please explain to us how you are making 100k+ gold in an hour. Because I'm pretty sure you aren't.

So when will studios realize that listening to the turbo autists demanding more raids and grind does not make for a mass appeal mmo?

>complaining about weeb shit
>on a Brunei LGBT stoning board

they're not going f2p as long as tokens are allowing the whales sell tokens to buy actual players to boost them though real content

Blizzard hasn't made good cinematics in a while. they've been pretty trash since WoD

I need a place to vent.

Hahaha, YEP. You can see this shit a mile a way. The only question in the story right now is if whether or not they're going to make Sylvanas pull a Garrosh, or make Sylvanas pull a Kerrigan. Either way I don't think anyone's going to be happy.

I still don't understand how someone could see this drooling retard and put him in charge of anything. He looks like he has more chromosomes than WoW has subs.

why doesnt baine just crush the skinny emo self insert's head beneath his hoof and then have sex with her boyfriend

At least complain about its flaws. Wow fags calling it weeb shit is th4 lowest hanging fruit possible

Remember when people said WoW was catering to the casuals?

The only people even half-pleased right now are the .1% raiders who stream world first raids and have fun competing with other guilds.

read his post again, he's taking about actual money you nigger

because that wouldn't be honorable

addendum: challenging a frail little elfie to mak'gora is dishonorable as well

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He was pretty genius from a profit standpoint. He gave all the autists a gold treadmill with the garrisons and the hyperneet fags did them on all of their alts and flooded the game with gold. They then let them buy shit with their gold from players who could buy tokens. Basically turning them into gold farmers for blizz

World of Warcraft's community was always its worst feature. Even in vanilla wow was the mmo for idiots and sociopaths.

so is being ruled by an undead who rose your people unwillingly from the dead, baine should skull fuck sylvanas and nathanos

Probably because that's literally all the game has

It retconned the shit out of WC3 what are you talking about.

I mean if you count the wonky time keeping and months of reposts required I think an hour of transmog farming could reach those heights.

XIV, can confirm, the most recent batch of wow refugees are autistic retards who keep getting blacklisted

lmaoing at your life, he means he makes at least $15 real dollars in an actual hour of real world work.

Yeah just challenge the death ghost who can kill people by flying through them and has multiple lives to a 1v1 to the death

It still feels dirty user. I already feel ashamed at using a wowtoken 3 times since it was introduced. Just couldn’t bring myself to spend a sub one the game for the state it was in (2 times in WoD and 1 last month).

Pretty much this. Clearly the guy is making Blizzard a lot of money other wise he would have been booted the first earnings report after he got the position. People just see 'thing I don't like' and assume the game is failing, but considering that their development strategy hasn't changed in drastically in like 5 expansions means that what they are doing is financially successful.

As a Warhammer fag Wow has not ever pandered to Warhammer fags. Muh orcs xDDD isn't even remotely the same thing.

okay it's slow and made with culture that I don't find agreeable in mind.

I love so much that the concept of a job is that foreign to you that you that I was really farming that much gold in an hour and not working a normal job

>Things can't get gradually bad over the course of time

My bad but the post i was replying to said that Legion "fixed the original retcon of TBC". What was he talking about then?

They tough listen vanilla babies was good thing
>Make leveling slower and unfunny
>More kill+gather quests
>Grinding grinding, people loved back then they love it now
>Fuck pvp

For rest, balance for casual they went full china market

>tfw friend still dedicates Monday and Tuesday nights to this garbage heap
>those are the only two days I typically get as "weekends" for my shitty part-time job
Please quit already, man. How can you stand this shit for another second? I could barely the barebones spells and abilities on top of the mind numbing grind. Just quit, I wanna play games with you.

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You should've stocked up in WoD when those bitches were less than 20k and you could make that much gold just from logging in and clicking your table.

There's 3 millions level 120s, not active subs.

>a game not being able to sustain over 10 million people giving it $15 a month
wow

Didnt the quarterly report say wow makes more money from microtransactions than subs by a huge margin?

Are you actually bragging about making $12 an hour? I guess in the land of neets that must make you feel like some sort of king.

>first all of the horde NPCs being ok with nuking darnassus (esp. druids)
>now tauren among the nameless NPCs that take him away
WHY THE F U C K IS SAURFANG AND BAINE THE ONLY TWO NPCS WHO AREN'T PART OF THE HIVEMIND
WHY ISN'T THE HORDE AS A WHOLE MORE SAVVY ABOUT THIS AFTER FUCKING SIEGE OF ORGRIMMAR
WHO THE FUCK WRITES THIS SHIT

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That's exactly my point. Why would they waste time and resources developing compelling content to draw in more subs when what they are doing now, with the numbers they already have, is making them money hand over fist? I swear to fuck no one here has even a remote idea how business works- and I'm a fucking retard when it comes to that stuff as it is. Just because their subs are low doesn't mean the game is failing, the game is doing 'exactly' what it is intended to do, and that is make money.

The retcon was probably that illidan was evil
What is the average wow fags schedule once he logs in? Like ignoring the order at which he does stuff what does he do? Never played the game and am a ff14 fag and I'm curious

I hope your post is bait. I make over 800k gold a day in WoW, nearly every single day. It's called having a job.

That’s what I did for a bit but I got greedy and held on to the gold since I had a job at the time. Decided that if the game is that bad enough at the time that I am willing to not spend my money and still play, I just don’t have the heart for it. So I quit around Oct 2015. Didn’t come back until the legion pre-patch invasions. From there on I did a 3 month or 6 month sub continuously through legion because it was way more enjoyable than WoD. And to be honest I feel rather tempted to play on a private server of it right now than bfa.

can the hots developers save wow?

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But this isn't a retcon.

>Brought her back as a generic death knight

What a shame.

I honestly can’t see WoW living past its next expansion, especially with classic poised to eclipse it in playerbase and relevance.

>whole group of friends quit for good (and they meant it, nobody even bothered with the free weekend) and now they spend weeks playing DnD without me because my retarded schedule causes the most problems
>drifting further apart by the week
i wish i could switch places with you user

she looks like she has downs

>holes in charge of story
they'd have to save hots first

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I could make $50 an hour and my statement is still correct retard

i mean i'm not happy blizzard is monopolizing the best version of the game but at the same time i'm happy you guys are getting what you want but i just don't get the appeal, it's a solved game.

kill yourself waifufag

Legion didn't fix shit but TBC retconned shit like Draeneis & blood elves, paladins, what actually happened in outland and more.

How is the leveling experience? Is the story any good? Does it allow me to roleplay?

hots is dying, didn't they move some of the developers to wow?

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I mean, fair enough, but the way you worded it doesn't imply anything close to that. I mean why not say 'I make 4 months worth of subs in a literal hour' instead then? I could be wrong, but I'm not sure I'm the retard here. Enjoy bragging about your poverty job though.

Head over to /wowg/ on /vg/ and look at every post with an allied race attached to it. That's what you need to know.

As long as people are dumb enough to play pay 2 win games, devs will keep shitting them out. There will be more allied races because of this.

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Get woke.

>game is solved
>suddenly can’t enjoy it
Yeah you’re right, I’m constantly playing the newest games and never replay any older games because they’re fake fun.

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>check auctions
>see what meta quests (complete dailies in x location or for x faction) are up and if they are worth doing
>do some dailies if there are nice rewards or you want the rep
>if early in the week do mythic dungeons maybe
>raid if raider
>pvp if pvper
>if undergeared/alt, do heroics/easymode raiding/PvE group stuff
>maybe go farm old content for gold/cosmetics/mounts/pets/etc.

half the appeal of classic was the feeling of adventure and the mystery of an unexplored world. the other half was social interactions (which may or may not happen due to the state of the internet as a whole)
you can't have that in a rehashed game, brainless frogshit.

>get to south seas expac
>they fuck it up
cant wait for a full azjol nerub in WOTLK 2.0 to get botched too

Holy shit, how are these racials in any way fair?

Roleplay is easily the best. And I'm not gonna call the story good cause I'll get spammed with (you)s but it's easily the best of any mmo. Leveling is probably the best too if you actually wanna play an mmo. If you just wanna skip lore and world building you can buy the boost but the end game isnt as full as wows. Most people start playing xiv and enjoy it for a year or two before reaching end game.

Its people that were too young to do it when it was live. Combined with a portion of the wow population that likes to autistic min-max, aka method tryhards.

>those racials
>zandalari can play basically every single class
Why is there anyone on Horde playing anything else?

>Get ready for a shocking twist!
>it's the same thing every time

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They're not and that's kind of the point. Like the pic explains it heavily incentivizes people to pay for a race change, otherwise they risk being behind the meta. Now I don't know how important min-maxing is at this point so it might not be that big of a deal, but that's certainly the intention behind their design.

Not everyone wants to hand over the 25 bucks I guess

>Head over to /wowg/ on /vg/ and look at every post with an allied race attached to it. That's what you need to know.
Funny, last I checked (this weekend when it was free) it's nonstop shitting on game. Nobody's actually fucking playing it, it's just a constant barrage of people telling each-other to uninstall, mocking people who are still subbed, and the usual /vg/ lewdposting you'd find in any general. Not a single recently-taken screenshot to be found.

but he's right and your post is the negative equivelant of someone just replying "this"

I would have felt better about it if it felt more of a project made during a good period of the retail because they loved the game
Instead, it feels like a project because they know they fucked retail so hard that it would take a miracle to save it and doing this would be less work in getting people to sub.

unironically zoomers getting their "i played vanilla!!!" card, streamers and their orbiters.

Why are gnomes so unironically based?
>patrician tier racials since vanilla
>skill check against clickers
>best girls
>build shit all the time and don't care about taking credit
>goblincucks pale in comparison

Because they aren't very good.

>the appeal of this game is in these two things and these two things only!
>why? Because I say so!

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The answer is simple, my dear user: they know they've fucked up retail beyond all redemption so now, as you said, they're going to monopolize every version of the game and shutting down every private server that attempts to siphon attention away from Classic, so that if you want to enjoy WoW in any way, shape or form, you WILL be giving Blizzard your money.

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>Grind for Gear
>Grind for random Talents on your Gear
>Grind for Azerite to activate the talents on your Gear
>3 months later everything is reset, there is no expansion-long progression

How about I just dont play your shitty game.

I play MMOs for the journey, not endgame, so that's good to hear.

WoW is the Horde
Blizzard is Anduin
Activision is Sylvanas
Consumers are Saurfang

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>look at the thread
>1/3 of the replies is people just shitting on the game
>1/3 are people talking about trannies
>the last 1/3 is futaposting

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>Expansion focusing on faction conflict
The story was dead on arrival. Given no side can ever have a decisive victory, it doesn't feel like there's any meaningful stakes involved.

Which brings me back to my original question: what is the appeal? Go on, tell me.

>check my retainers to see what sold
>update costs and sell more
>send them on new ventures, update their gear if needed
>check new squadron recruits and send them on a mission
>do grand company provision quests
>do crafting beast tribe dailies
>do hunts when called out on the linkshells
>levequests on low level crafters
>roulette dungeons on my next alt job
>time maps when I find them
>weekly challenge log
>farm relic or glamors or orchestral rolls or minions or mounts

Because they look like ass

They aren't good. Regeneratin' is 25% not 100% and it's interrupted by damage on a 2.5 min CD (read: trash). Pterrodax swoop is just a goblin glider (which literally anyone can use) on a 15 minute CD. Gold from creatures is a minuscule fraction of the gold you make in the game. None of the loa buffs are amazing.

TBC started the whole welfare epic system with badge gear and epic pvp gear for honor. I guess technically vanilla had it too near the end because getting PvP rep to exalted was easy as fuck by turning in marks.

>Your healing abilities have a chance to heal their targets
MMO spell description kino

The general has been dead for a while. The state of the game is fucked

>first all of the horde NPCs being ok with nuking darnassus (esp. druids)
Nothing wrong with that, in fact the nelves deserved it but it was overdramatised because muh good vs evil

So pretty much the same.

Because the retard is lying and it's nowhere near as good as he's making it out to be.

There is still massive amounts of things I don’t know about and never saw in classic.
It’s a shame the developers didn’t want to include my server type on launch so I won’t be playing

If you throw in a gamewide class design rollback aswell i'm game

Just because neither side can win definitively and destroy the other faction doesn't mean they can't have significant enough victories over each other. Doesn't even have to be a massive lore changing thing, how about just something that gives some sort of benefit or buff to one faction?

But now that I type that it makes me wonder if that's not exactly the idea behind warfronts, except it's on a schedule so you don't have any specific faction win multiple times in a row, huh.

Nice

This.

Nigger I can see the racials right there. They're obviously better than normal troll racials

I FUCKING WANT CLASSIC AHHHH

Pretty much

>since burning Crusade.
That's not how you spell "Mists of Pandaria"-lore wise
That's not how you spell "Wrath of the Lich King"-gameplay wise

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Mindlessly genociding Satyrs/Furlbogs/Skeletons for Runecloth (it's better than retail because it's not being actively tracked)
Farming the same raids over and over again (it's better than retail because I can dodge the 2 mechanics on my own instead of needing a mod to track all the shit going on at once)
PvPing 24/7 for a shadow of a chance I'll get to a relevant rank for a reward (it's better than retail because it justifies and enables my NEETdom)

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A lot of people pre-ordered to play the allied races, me included. I wasn't subbed when BfA actually launched because I didn't have time to play.

Because there are still much better racials rather than situational loa.
Belf has been the No1 racial for ages.

>weak hero
>literally killing the strongest mortal beings and demi gods

hmmm

The appeal of any game is going to be on a subjective basis. Different people are going to like the game for different reasons, assclown.
For some, the appeal lies in progressing through the hardest content in the game
For others, the appeal lies in dominating other players
For even more others, the appeal lies in making money and crafting things
And some people just want to enjoy the company of others
And there are certainly people who are content with leveling characters
And I guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of people won’t care if some fat neckbeard already did all of it 14 years ago, or if they’re doing it on a private server now. What matters is THEIR experience and that THEY make out of the game. Hell, even a ton of people who played during vanilla are coming back because the game was flat-out better than it is now.
And even then I probably haven’t even scratched the surface of the appeal of classic, because again, it’s different for everyone. Just because YOU don’t like the fact that other people have done and catalogued the content, doesn’t mean others won’t like it.

This but wholeheartedly.

Would you prefer that cata tooltips that were all like "You should use this ability when you're about to take heavy damage!"

>tfw this video should be updated to feature bfa now
youtube.com/watch?v=nQR9XWGFkj4

Lore wise we only helped kill anything
At around MoP they start to recognize us as a real unit in the game and try to push us as a hero
I enjoy the faceless merc role over the GRAND HERO OF THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT

>anyone who dislikes what I like is a tranny

user I...

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It fully lost the rpg element of mmorpg.
People also just wanted to get back to doing things they enjoy like gearing alts but the burn out after legion artifact grinding was real. Then they turned around and made an even worse grind with a fucking neck piece which doesn't even have a model to look at.

Cautiously optimistic about classic. Cautiously optimistic if there is another expansion because the new CFO seems like a hard cunt thats getting rid of the diversity termites and bullshit.

How so?

Checked, wish I didn't. How the fuck they're still allowed to maintain the general is beyond me.

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Not really.
>Voodoo shuffle > pterrodax swoop
>Regeratin' is terrible in PvE (takes globals and interrupted by damage) and bad in PvP (interrupted by damage and takes 6 seconds for 25% health)
>berserking isprobably a fairly similar parse to bwonsamdi
>gold is a minor gain at max level over beastslaying
So very marginally better, if you are actively farming gold from mobs. The time you spent unlocking and leveling the zandalari could have just gone to better sources of gold making and you'd be far ahead just playing a normal troll.

>gear is simultaneously so easy to get you don't have to do anything but emissaries to get it and so hard to get you have to pray to god for decent azerite
>add ffxivs gcd but remove 90% of moves that are off the gcd, making ffxiv look miles faster by comparison
>squish and make leveling fucking awful by having some classes go 30+ levels without a new move or getting a new piece of gear
>sharding while good in theory completely fucks over server balance because of group finder world quests
>removal of tier sets (not even just the bonuses, not having class sets is boring as hell)
>most new mounts are barebones reskins or recolors
>everything is 40x more grindy and 10x less rewarding
>mythic+ is the shitty baby version of nephalem rifts and gets old after a single week
>new races require way too much time to unlock and have horrible class restrictions
>cant choose weapon types on classes anymore
>disable everything that made timewalking fun (gems were homogenized, set bonuses disabled, artifact weapons gone, frost dks cant use shadowmourne etc)
>islands are shit
>warfronts are shit
>world quests like tortollans do nothing but show the engine's age
>give elite gear out for free and never balance pvp
>more bugs per patch than every previous expansion combined
>moving moves that were previously baseline into talents or pvp talents, some classes use less buttons than eso which caps at 5
>still ZERO qol updates to the 60-80 leveling experience. quests are still cancer and dungeons are still completely unbalanced
>twinking absolutely destroyed for similar reasons to timewalking along with separate twink pvp queues and boss hp being random (25 marrowgar has more hp than blackhand)
>cash shop mounts out the ass
>bring back the mission table and make it worse
>quests are STILL 99% "kill 5 dicks" or "pick up 8 dicks"
>story is now just "ENOUGH" *stuns you and teleports away*

Mmos have never been good. They're just a social platform loosely held together by a "game"

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1. It's a single player game now, and that was never the point of wow, only retards chase bigger numbers for the sake of bigger numbers
2. Level scaling + all your core skills early means that you feel weaker with ever level instead of having your build come together.
3. All lore is toddler level writing. The players made the stories and that's what made wow fun.
4. they removed my gust of wind, which was a fun, high skillcap ability compared to most other leaps and blinks and made my shaman feel clunky to play instead of fluid.

I stopped trusting blizzard a long time ago, but picked up legion for lols and it wasn't that bad for a couple of months. But then BfA was just utter shit.
I can't wait for them to fuck up classic and close all vanilla private servers so I can lay this recurring addiction to rest.

Too bad he didn't take the chance to give people like Ion the boot while getting for of those diversity hires.

I miss when the story was about the world, I don’t need another story about me

Its one of the biggest fuckups nublizz made with BFA. They not only gated the new races but even gated them to a defunct previous expansion.
How fucking retarded. I mean I tried, I unlocked a couple but fuck it drained me having to do all the shit in legion and not even do the bfa content I paid for.
Haven't played since.

not really. most of my time playing vanilla when I was 15 was spent farming consumables and pvping, with 2 5 hour raid nights a week.

>>most new mounts are barebones reskins or recolors
EXCUSE ME the intern on the art team worked an ENTIRE AFTERNOON EACH making the mount models for the fox and the pig from scratch just so we could put it in the shop.

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Fake news. That isn't the final product. The cutscenes during beta looked just like that too. Battle for Lordaeron looked just like that before it was actually released. Small indie company btw.

And holinka needs to stand on a set of train tracks at this point

>That isn't the final product.
you know the patch is out right?

I agree, I left during the TBC when I felt the end game grind was meaningless. Blizzard has doubled down on everything bad and forgot what made them good.

>It's not better
>...wait it's actually better!

Holy shit you're dumb user. Everyone in this thread literally thinks you're a retard. When you tab back into WoW I hope you don't forget this post.

YOU ARE A WASTE OF SKIN PLAYING A SHIT GAME

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Agreed. Not to say it was a good game but i was playing gw2 on the side and that story starts day 1 as you the hero.
WoW was always about the world and the lore until they realized that people give money no matter what they write so they hire retards to write the lore into a circus shitshow.

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>4. they removed my gust of wind, which was a fun, high skillcap ability compared to most other leaps and blinks and made my shaman feel clunky to play instead of fluid.
Yeah but at the same time they removed the brainless druid blink and made all those dumbass boomkins(myself included) learn to disengage well.

>squish and make leveling fucking awful by having some classes go 30+ levels without a new move or getting a new piece of gear
I started levelling a monk with my friends, as a mistweaver, you get Essence Font and Essence Font double dipping from mastery ~20levels before you get your mastery
fucking bravo blizzard

>most new mounts are barebones reskins or recolors
Wasn't there a twitter thread about one of the art girls bragging about how much work they put into the pirate ship and someone made a chart that at least 1/2 of the skin was just a recolor of the flying boat from blizcon two years before?

hey
ALLIANCE
P L A Y E R S
ITS ANOTHER HORSIE! NEIGH!

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>literally and unironically pretending pterrordax swoop is anything but just a free goblin glide (a cheap as fuck item that can be used by ANYONE) with an obnoxiously longer cooldown and treating it like something that alters the game, let alone breaks it
you lost all credibility at this point

>tfw the 1.9 mil subscriber leak was true
I ain't even mad

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>being this bad at reading comprehension
>implying those two posts are the same person
Since you are a fucking retard let me spell it out more carefully:
The only advantage zandalari have is a very tiny boost to gold, which is completely outweighed by the time you spend unlocking them. It would easily take months if not years of killing shit to make the amount of gold off a zandalari that you could have made just continuing to play your regular troll and not bothering to unlock and level them. In the mean time you have sidegraded your DPS racial and completely downgraded your defensive racials.

Grats you fucking braindead mongoloid.

In one of the dev interviews they said they've been thinking about a level squish.
Cut out all the useless in-between levels where you get no items and no abilities so that hitting each new one feels better, probably moving level caps down to 70 or 80.
Do think people would actually like them trying to make the leveling experience more fulfilling or just whine that they don't feel as cool without and extra thirty good boi points next to their name anymore?

That's so sad, can we get Fs in the chat for this one though? It was even more high skillcap since it interfered with your DPS rotation on use.

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imagine being able to pick up your WoD work orders at darkshore because blizzard literally CTRL+C CTRL+V'd the entire building

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>month(s) of grinding
>new reputs are too long to grind
More like people had to wait months to have them in game

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Yes my master, I will charge head first into the wilds of the dreaded Yea Forums and engage in verbal combat with those who soil your name! For Activision Blizzard! HOO RAA!

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>frost dks cant use shadowmourne etc
what

It's kind of sad that Stormblood released when the final patch of Legion did and now Shadowbringers is dropping before the first raid patch of BFA does

>implying that's even me

Meanwhile in reality zandalari troll racials are less than 1% damage increase no matter what you pick and near the bottom of every list for every spec while trolls are still dominant in the top 3 spot for best DPS racial for every DPS spec in the game. Regeneratin' is a meme that saves your healer 2 casts tops every 2.5 minutes in very specific situations. Whoop de fuckin doo.

Drooling fucking retard.

you can't use any of your moves as a frost dk unless you have two 1h weapons equipped

>can we get Fs in the chat
Zoomer fucking twitch thrash get out of this thread NOW

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>if you're not with me you're against me
based retard

>gust of wind, which was a fun, high skillcap ability compared to most other leaps and blinks
Lolno.

Besides, everyone knows wow is furries and trannies and xiv is traps and weeaboos

that's beyond retarded

>Hey everyone, remember all the good shit we did with Legion that made the game pretty close to WOTLK levels of fun and enjoyable?
>WELL FUCK YOU WE'RE NOSE DIVING THIS BITCH WITH NO SURVIVORS!

>getting starved for content while staying subbed

JUST AS PLANNED

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>legion
>good shit
imagine being this retarded

The fact that xiv has faster paced classes and better designed classes is just depressing.

>BAINE
Was the douche that exiled Tauren for preventing the Alliance from invading Mulgore.

Of course, they'd arrest that tyrant, no one wants to be lead by a traitor.

>going from sam or drg to dk
It's mind numbing

>Legion
>Close to Wotlk
Stop and get gone faggot

Yep, the art team is a joke. How the FUCK did they take six months to make the fat humans?

Leveling was easy, but harmless for a long time until 7.3.5 fucked it all up. Undo that, including the retarded level scaling, and it would have been fine. This is a problem they made themselves and they just keep making more work for themselves when they could have left well enough alone.

All the people saying legion was good are only saying it because it’s wedged between two gigantic pieces of shit.
Just like MoP.

Did they really cuck Saurfang into being alliance lol?

Its pretty simple. BfA doesn't improve on any of the things that they had in Legion and the systems that were replaced are strictly worse than their predecessors.

They removed awesome artifacts and replaced them with a neck (which isn't a modeled armor slot). There are no cosmetics associated with the Heart of Azeroth. They removed all of the passive and active artifact abilties and didn't replace them with anything. Almost every spec in the game lost abilites and plays worse than it did in Legion. Every single spec.

They removed class-based Tier sets and replaced them with Azerite armor which sucks, and with 1 armor set for each armor type. The raid sets generally look worse than the old tier gear despite them making 4 sets instead of 12.

For all of the new races, you had to grind rep in the past expansion, and then do shitty quests. You couldn't unlock most of them at release even if you were aggressive in grinding. You also had to level characters from level 1 to get the heritage armor set for the allied races. The "new" races Zandalari and Kul-tiran weren't unlocked for six months after release. You have to unlock them by doing all of the BfA content.

They didn't even bother adding another row of talents.

>4% crit for 12 seconds is not amazing
Nigger that's a 3rd trinket.

I took them a week but Ion delayed release just to build up anticipation

Not to turn this into a xiv vs wow thread but one of the things I noticed moving away from wow was how xiv actually feels like its improving. Not saying its better but it actually feels like it's getting better. Meanwhile wow reeks of cut corners, cut content, and a team of developers and artists that aren't worth their salt

Early Legion was fucking trash unless you hit the 2 in 24(? However many legendaries there were) jackpot of not getting fucked over.by the legendary RNG back before Blizzard decided having a soft cap on legendary RNG that essentially made getting more than 4 impossible was a bad thing.
Tomb was just fucking boring. Just more of the same and a barren wasteland of a zone pretending to be content (lmao timegates).
Argus was ok, and then they fucked it all up with BfA, which is essentially just a glorified Legion patch.

>People asked for a number crunch years ago and leveling challenge years ago
>WE ARE LOSING SUBS BADLY WHAT DO WE DO?
>I KNOW LETS DO WHAT THEY WANTED LONG AGO NOW BUT AT THE SAME TIME!
>NOTHING COULD GO WRONG!
They didn't look at every Xpac to change numbers on every npc they put into this fucking game so they fucked it horrid. AND they did the Heirloom gear number nerf on that SAME PATCH.

But it's a fast paced spec!!! I'm on the shitter, anyone got the frost dk image that shows them with something like 25% downtime just waiting?

And they spent more time nerfing alternative means of leveling instead of some actual fucking tuning too.

t. user who just paid $25 for a race change and is trying to downplay its brokenness to other users on a Chinese Ear Phone Discussion Forum

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SMN has a two minute rotation that's so fucking satisfying, easily my favorite

Exactly this

>wotlk
>the expansion that gave us the cancer that is LFD
>the expansion that made blizzard decide it's better to cave to the loud majority casuals that have shit opinions

There's a good reason the game stopped gaining subs in wrath, and a good reason its been in a death spiral ever since.

holy shit what the fuck

do not despair: classic is near

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...
Wait.
Is this real?

AAAAAAAAA HAHAHA

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Yeah why the fuck does that DH even have a garrison let alone an alchemy building for work orders? Disgusting.

BLIZZAAAAARD

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I get what you mean, and it's definitely embarrassing. With how badly the xpac was received you'd think they'd actually fucking get their shit together but no, they're just cutting more corners and costs and releasing shit on the cash shop with more and more frequency.

I'm willing to bet that free weekend did more damage than good on account of people coming back to see exactly how much has NOT changed. If they even bothered coming back, most of the people seem to still be reeling from WoD, not to mention Legion (which you either loved or hated). This expansion is definitely the final straw for a lot of people. But Blizzard doesn't seem worried in the least.

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The problem with Classic is you're still giving NuBlizz money to supplement their current terrible decisions.

>What the FUCK went so wrong?
At least they didn't fuck up Zandalari Troll Paladins

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Retail is a lost cause on managed decline. They're going to fucking milk Classic before giving retail one last "hurrah" and shutting it down.
Then you can watch and experience Classic advance throughout the expansions and go to shit just like retail!

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I was pissed about Kael, Vashj and Illidan, gave up on lore ever being good again but it was still a good xpac, mechanics were overall better and the people were fun.
They absolutely butchered Arthas in wrath and I still find it hard to believe that the same people wrote war3 and SC:BW.
But wrath still had ulduar which was unquestionably glorious and the individual atmosphere and lore of most Northrend zones was really good. PvP was at its finest up to TotC.

You could feel blizz trying to give up on WoW after Ulduar and later realizing that they had no good ideas left and went back to put it on life support. That's when I gave up on it.

WoW was a great game, but seeing what happened to its reanimated corpse was simply disgusting.

what the fuck am i looking at

>can finally make a paladin that isn't a sissy elf and doesn't get stuck in doors
>game dies
BWOOOOOONSAMDIIIIIIIIIII

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Because he's a sleazy coward, see his reaction to Taurajo.

>What the FUCK went so wrong?
Time.

I wish Ion cared as much about wow as Yoshida does about xiv

what does it look like?

GRANT ME POWAH

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Raising the level cap isn't bad as a concept and I don't see any way around it, but it got extremely silly the third time around.

Never forget Uldum, karazhan, tbc heroics, high level carries, lesser invasion leveling, nerfed RAF, removed exp pots, gimped heirlooms, and the plethora of other things blizzard did with 7.3.5.

Mop had the best class design out of all expansions and pvp/pve faggot

I'm going to play devils advocate here.

By playing Classic you're also making sure that Blizzard fires part of their inept Live team. If more people play Classic than Live, Blizzard will force the land of the Live team and make the experience more akin to Classic.

If it isn't painfully obvious they only care about money, it should be. Live already has a cash shop, why would they not want Live to be a success? They don't give a damn what Live players want, so long as they get more money in the end.

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And then all of those things were finally closed up with 8.0

I fucking hate this game so much.

>With how badly the xpac was received
80% liked on google

I feel the same. Plus I didn't mind the theme, which is apparently what really put people off. It's pretty much the only good expansions post-wrath.

>Trusting google with anything

>mass homogenization is good class design

They are probably the most accurate numbers just by virtue of sheer volume.

>MoP good class design
Druids would say otherwise.

metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth

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>I still find it hard to believe that the same people wrote war3 and SC:BW.

I think they never gave a fuck.
From the start it was gameplay >>>>>> lore.
For exemple Metzen said that he "forgot" the lore stuff about the legion to explain the retcons of TBC.
Not only he wrote it himself but the lore of warcraft was something like 5 pages.

>and doesn't get stuck in doors
user, i...

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a blonde lady holding two dinosaur eggs

It's the worst concept, dude. It invalidates all the previous content in the game. Burning Crusade, for all intents and purposes, was World of Warcraft 2. It made all your Vanilla experiences moot.

Horizontal progression is the way to go. Focus on expanding and exploring different builds and concepts. Increase the options in your current toolkit, don't throw them away.

redpill me on gnomish vs goblin engineering in classic
is it worth learning gnomish for the BoPs then switching to goblin?

Didn't Azmongold fans reviewbomb it after he left a 1 score on it?

you want the death ray to one hit players on lvl 40

>It invalidates all the previous content in the game. Burning Crusade, for all intents and purposes, was World of Warcraft 2. It made all your Vanilla experiences moot.
A pretty good chunk of raiding end game gear from vanilla was still useful into early end game TBC, the level cap invalidating end game gear started with Wrath.

>ESL reviewbombing is an accurate measure of reception

Unsure. It has 300 new negative reviews since the last time I looked at it.

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In order to pinpoint what went wrong as a whole, we'd have to go WAY back.
But let's just look at what went wrong specifically here, so let's just go back to Legion, 7.0.
They pruned the shit out of everything.
Then they added the AP grinding bullshit
Now, in BFA, the prune is made self-evident as people lose their legendaries, set bonuses, etc. as they level.
The AP grinding bullshit is also made significantly worse because they vastly reduced the number of sources you get it from. This is then further made intolerable by the way artifact gear works, you get new gear, there's a good chance it's worse and it's impossible to tell without simming, and even if it isn't strictly worse, you still have to unlock powers you already had on the previous gear!
Both of these systems are terrible, but BFA's specific development made them both worse.
There are some other little things, like, forcing personal loot, the GCD changes, and some other nuances that seemed to be designed specifically to piss players off, but I think the two core systems I mentioned are the bulk of the problem with BFA.

Is FFXIV really that much better than modern WoW? It's the only MMO people on Yea Forums talk about anymore.

I can't see that happening until there are some changes in the current retail team. It's filled with people who would rather do major harm to the game than admit an idea they have is a bad one and refrain from going through it or undo it once it's proven how bad it is

playable ogres when?

>endless barrage of 0/1 low-effort reviews
smells like a review bomb alright

but you gotta admit they raise some pretty good points

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it's all the same shit

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FFXIV is not a great MMO. Those don't exist anymore.
But it is definitely better than WoW in nearly every conceivable way.

But it's the shit that's being actively discussed on Yea Forums while BfA is scorned and shat on. So clearly it's better.

>If more people play Classic than Live, Blizzard will force the land of the Live team and make the experience more akin to Classic.

or, the more likely scenario, blizzard will focus on classic to bring it more inline with retail to retain players, i.e. cash shop and qol ""improvements"""

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I just can't believe after the huge amount of community feed back on Legion AP grinding that they would double down and do it with a neck piece with no model and 3 other pieces of gear.
Its fucking insanity.
I thought the pruning in legion was bad but bfa was 10 times worse when they removed most abilities added in legion.

Pretty much this. I stopped playing in RR, and I hate what that idiot did to BLU, but if I had to choose between the two, I'm gonna go with the weeb one.

It just didn't feel like warcraft anymore, and pandas on both sides is beyond retarded.

>fucking bunny race where the only thing making them bunnies are big long ears
>some fucking degenerate furry pandering cat race
Ffxiv is fucking furry sjw lgbt weeb trash you absolute retard.

No matter what you’re still giving an inept and downright retarded company money. Send the message by not even bothering with them

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I didn't think about that.

Oh God...

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it has TWO (2) races of anime-styled girls with various animal appendages of course Yea Forums is gonna like it more

>Bring the player not the class
>Still benched on jaina as dps dk because other melee classes just do it better

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you can play devil's advocate all you want but in the end the devil (blizzard) is just after your soul (wallet) just like everyone else's
to them this is just another low effort/risk high payoff opportunity, and you can be damn sure it'll go to shit the second things require effort and risks

BFA only revealed how bad the Legion pruning was.
Legion tried to hide it with legendaries, artifact abilities, and set bonuses.
BFA just took those things away and showed how truly shit the core gameplay abilities had become.

This is my only beef with Classic, but honestly they got me by the balls I wanna go home...

fuck chink servers.

Understandable. I still loved it because I had a hard time not finding fun in any class, and there was a lot of things I loved, though I still do have some major criticisms about it, but if I had to choose an expansion to play in, I would choose BC first, then MoP

>playing a melee dps in bfa
You’ll have better luck getting in mythic antorus runs as a 110 trying to get speed/twink gear

Playstyle is fine :) heavy breathing or working triple jobs a day unholy for shit dps is also fine :)

also, doesn't paying your sub with in-game gold give blizzard more money than a regular sub?

Dude fuck ion, at this point I 100% believe that dildo is purposely trying to tank wow.

No.

I tried it last week because of how much I'd heard it was wow equivalent and holy shit was I disappointed.
>clunky korean free to play tier movement
>lackluster combat
>luckluster graphics with decently high texture resolution
>generic questing and story
>exceedingly bland, f2p tier area design
>mediocre music
>bland enemies
>legitimately awful sound design
>world is broken up into the same tiny, claustrophobic zones you'd find in 2000s cheap mmos, with (admittedly pretty quick) loading screens in between
>teleport nodes in every zone, and every 100 feet in cities
>devs have zero idea how to deal with scale so all "distant" structures look like toy models a few feet away.
After an hour I threw in the towel on actually playing, and instead went exploring for the next hour. I went as far north as I could until I hit a quest-based (?) locked zone gate, and then as far south as I could where I found what I assume is one of the major cities. The only good parts of the couple hours I played was that the interior of the city was nice (the exterior had the same toy model problem as above).

All in all very disappointed.

The best thing you can do is sit back and watch, and I mean WATCH what Blizzard does at all times during the release. Any sort of slip or misunderstanding anywhere is a red flag waiting to go up. Yeah it fucking sucks that private servers are chink controlled, but at this point so is Blizzard

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I fucking hated Legiondaries.
RNG behind RNG bandages to broken specs and classes

>F2P
Somebody is paying for your right to play the game. Doesn't have to be you, because you pay gold for game time too, and you know that shit isn't free because you basically become a WoW wagie trying to save money to play for "free."

I thought I'd hop back in a month ago but then realized that the reason I quit is probably going to happen again, that plus being out of the loop means spending $100+ on expansions alone.

>come back for free weekend
>check wow general community tab
>online 13/130

They sucked but they were at least something. Literally nothing in the game right now forecasts how classes are going to improve in play style besides what they said about 8.2. No hard evidence at all.

And to be honest I would do the bs grind again over this shit we have now.

Mists of Pandaria wasn't as bad lore-wise as Cataclysm IMO. Hell, the Horde vs Alliance war was pretty nice and the shaman/old god aesthetic was GOAT. Cata, on the other hand, decimated a lot of nice characters we had ('dragons lost their power lmao') and changed the world we loved for worse

You only have to pay for the latest expansion now.
Everything else is included in the sub fee.

>Preach and Assmongol are discord trannies

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They just recently revamped the leveling experience in Legion. If not for the lengthening of it, it wasn't a bad revamp. A bit of ;evel scaling for old zones is great.

One of the main reasons it died for me
Only Jaina's story seems kinda interesting
If they would only went straight after N'Zoth and void lords all of this shit would have been avoided.

Everyone shits on MoP because LOL KUNG FU PANDA SKADOOOSH. At some points I don’t blame them, but they miss a good expansion when they can’t get over it

FUCK WOW
AND FUCK FF14

>changed the world we loved for worse
>Cataclysm zones are officially older than the zones they replaced

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>an unwashed garbage-dwelling faggot of zero note
>a washed up raiding faggot who doesn't give a shit about anything but mythic raiding encounters
About as bad.

>the majority of people are all trannies
the absolute state of boogeymen

That fucks me up real bad some times

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>coping blizzdrone

its so funny watching them defend a pile of shit. someone should post the blizzdrone eating shit comic, i love it.

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mop is so comfy, warmane's mop server is garbage but before i knew it a month had gone by, and it's still active somehow

>And when you go from slaying space demons on space ships to trolls v pirates, shit gets stupid.
Pretty much this
You can't just make everybody a legend and then take it away just like that.
They should have downgrade our lore power slowly across this expansion and bring it back to default in another

Them deciding to go full dual wield is a decision i will never forgive them for

>I’m smug because I wasted my life on other video games
Sure showed them

Shit taste. Blood trolls and Heartsbane coven are top tier. War campaigns have some pretty interesting lore shit in them. Tidesages and Sethrak are neato.

>mainspec disc priest all throughout legion
>zero legendaries despite doing tomb with guild, lfr, and mythic+
>argus patch hits
>mobs actually hurt now
>go shadow to actually kill things there
>open a handful of rare chests
>bis shadow legendary

i felt crushing disappointment instead of happiness that i got a fucking LEGENDARY ITEM. idk how you can fuck up something like that.

not to mention the fact that they took so fucking long to address this shit with the mountains of feedback they received about how bullshit the system was is unreal.

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>A pretty good chunk of raiding end game gear

You're not getting it. Imagine a game where raiding Naxx, or AQ, or even MC could be relevant NOW. If they focused on a non-linear progression for raiding, we could have that.

i got this one
i don't understand why specs have to be limited to only using a certain type of weapon anymore, it kinda made sense in legion but i want my fucking SMF back

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I'm a resto druid main and fuck me if MoP wasn't the most fun my class has ever been in WoW

Legion was carried by the story and epicness
Class halls and their campaign were excellent
Also Argus was the best location since Northrend
Heck even the Suramar was pretty good despite being an absolute grindfest that i would hate to go trough again

>epicness
post discarded

>old talent tree
user i...

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argus looked great and it was teased for a long ass time but god damn you couldnt take two steps without aggroing half the zone

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>Legion was carried by the story and epicness
lmao

>mainspec disc priest all throughout legion
>zero legendaries despite doing tomb with guild, lfr, and mythic+
>argus patch hits
This is legitimately not possible. First legendary especially was super bad luck protected. Zero chance that you were actively doing raiding, LFR and mythic+ and did not see a legendary until Argus.

>just a regular hero in azeroth making your way around helping out
>better repeat this 2 hour long mega dungeon against the destroyer of universes again for the small chance he drops some epic pants
MMO players are delusional

>Fight the super advanced Iron Horde
>Nobody improves anything
>Horde would rather live in mudhuts than join Garrosh
>Garrosh literally did nothing wrong ever
>Hated by everyone then killed in a fucking cutscene
FUCKING WHY

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>he never enjoyed bringing down the dark titan
Found the arena fag

>giving a fuck about wow lore

Well it was supposed to be a literal war zone

>bringing down
>we don't even fight him
>we don't even kill him
I AMMMM MY SCAAAAAAAAAARS

>what is this RPG part in MMORPG?

>Hated by everyone then killed in a fucking cutscene
Metzen.