Play Tenchu

Literally glance across the room and I see my copy of Tenchu Z and now I'm feeling nostalgic

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Sounds like great, genuinely systemic design that the player can exploit to their advantage. Something Sekiro could have used more of instead of QTE giant symbol press B to perform move to not get hit bullshit.

I'd rather play Shinobido.

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Every year
just wish I could play Tenchu Z

its not a bad game at all

Trash

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It is systemic. You can kill anyone by drowning, but the enemies just walking into it is terrible AI. Please don't move the goalposts next time.
Besides, sekiro makes up for it with literally better everything than Tenchu.

I tried. I really did. But I couldn't get into it.

To this day Wrath of heaven was the only one I actually finished. And I'm sure that's because I didn't really have anything else to play then. But I liked it enough to finish it I guess.

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You can let the Snake Eyes bitch die in poison swamp by grappling to statue, but I agree with you

Sorry fags I’m about to burst your bubbles. Make way for the best ninja game ever conceived.

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It's because they're boring as fuck. The game baits you into chasing after ranks for items, but to get Master Ninja on a stage means beating it without being seen or procedurally waiting for your kills, so you often have to restart if there's a single fuckup.
The game entices you to play it in the most boring way possible.

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe, just fucking maybe, Onikage was depressed and rather than just belittle and denigrate him to the point that he wants to kill himself you could say something nice about him once in a while? I mean jesus fuck, just look at yourself, 20 years later and you're still giving him shit.
>sekiro makes up for it with literally better everything than Tenchu.
They're not even the same genre of game, and the stealth aspects in Sekiro are dreadful. The AI doesn't even notice dead bodies or climb onto roof tops to chase you, it can't pick up or use items. You can only grapple onto magical grapple nodes. You have fuck all stealth kill variety. You have fuck all items and tools at your disposal. Enemies don't attack other enemies. Enemies arrows magically go through each other. Tenchu enemies have sight, sound and smell, Sekiro's can't even hear you standing above them firing explosives like a mad man etc

I like Sekiro user, but it's stealth aspects are woeful, even by 1998 standards.

Play Ninja Gaiden instead.

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There's medication for ADHD user, look into it.

COM ON COOOOOOOOM OOOOOOOOOON AHEHHEHHEHHEHHEH

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The checkpoint level had great atmosphere and challenge.

What's the Yea Forums-approved PS1 emulator?

yes, and?

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They all do a good job, so it doesn't matter which one you pick, it's all the same.

fatal shadows is the best game in the series by far. not only does the combat actually have depth for once but the gameplay is focused entirely on stealth and strong level design/replayability because they deliberately avoided any kind of gimmicks or supernatural monsters to instead go for a samurai movie asthetic

the ps1 games are too clunky, wrath of heaven has too much bullshit instant death pits and other gimmicks, and the games after this one were given 0 budget

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I did. Was a fun game. Always forget the name of it though.

I've had good experiences with pcsxr-pgxp, epcsxe and Retroarch running Beetle PSX HW.

I'd recommend Retroarch with Beetle PSX HW for Tenchu 1/2, the PGXP options that help reduce texture/perspective distortion are really nice in Tenchu.

wew looks like total garbage. this is an example of a game that aged badly.
Sekiro shits on this every day of the week

Awful post

Sekiro AI reacting poorly to stealth is very much true. But
>Enemies don't attack other enemies
>AI doesn't climb onto roof tops to chase you
are plain false.
After returning to Ashina Castle you'll find enemies fighting each other all over the place and only enemies you'd expect to be agile chase you on roofs.

*it was a hologram*

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I did, years ago. I fucked hated it. If I'm gonna give an old FromSoft game a go I think I'll try Kings's Field or Shadow Tower Abyss.

I do:) and thief

I am the man who will cut off your nose - at the neck!

Tenchu 1 > Tenchu Z > Tenchu 2 > Return from Darkness > Fatal Shadows

It's not a stealth game.
Onikage is the best part Tenchu.

>absolute newfags on twitch comparing this to sekuro
it's literally nothing like it other than the setting

>Thinking Tenchu is an old FROM game
Yikes.

You can get Master Ninja by being seen a couple of time, yes the AI is really dumb in term of chasing you and spotting you. Also the enemy position is really bad because the levels are too tight so it's hard to have more than one enemy on each room. this becomes irrelevant when the point of the game is to assassinate.
This also doesn't change the fact the game has a really great fighting AI and tons of tools and abilities to play like a ninja.

The game is far from boring. It's the only game I can get back into without feeling bored
Nice that there's tenchu threads, bad that it's just to trash it because of Sekiro.

Oh and it's Grand Master not Master Ninja

hardly, the game had so many downgrades.
Yes the plot was somewhat superior to WOH and more conscise, the bosses had more characer and the character movement was faster
But the levels were complete trash and non memorable, they were mostly forests and almost no interiors.
They removed tons of abilities like hanging on the ceiling (probably ebcause of the lack of interiors).

And as far as abilities go you can't do things like gif. related. They removed really cool mechanics such as that. In Fatal shadows Rin or Ayame would not grab the ledge. This particular detail is actually really important expecially in WOH if Rikimaru does the assassination where he gets on the enemies sholwers and them jumps back. I've done plenty of assassinations like that where I would die if Rikimaru didnt grab ontot he ledge. I've also died like that plenty of times on FS because that mechanic is not a thing.

I really liked Jyuzou

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so you play as a tiddy ninja who wiggles her ass while she ninja runs? no wonder Yea Forums praises this game

Because I don't like how the game boxes you in to a shitty waiting game? You should look into removing the nostalgia cock from your mouth.

>Shadow Tower Abyss

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I've literally had enemies go on alert, look around, and notice me because they found a dead body

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY DO I HAVE TO BE PATIENT, WHY CAN'T I PRESS X TO WIN
It's ok user, stealth just isn't for you.

Where were you when everyone was trying to shitpost Sekiro as an Activision game?

>There is a unique kill animation for being back to back with your target
Such a strange choice, especially when there is nothing special for jumping stealth attacks yet.

Also shout outs to this localization choice.

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You literally haven't. Whatever the cause of the alert, it's not the body.

>There is a unique kill animation for being back to back with your target
Wait, fucking seriously?

I see, so the fact that he went from unaware to fully alert when he came across a corpse when I was standing on a roof way above him must have been a trick of the lighting then

>Not enjoying the option to go nuclear when found out
Nah, sekiro is fun af because of that option. I like stealth games, but I hate when you are forced to start over when caught

I only play fast paced games

>Such a strange choice, especially when there is nothing special for jumping stealth attacks yet
is this tenchu 1?
cause i remember 2 having different animations for jump/side by side/back and front stealth kills
or am i remembering wrong?

I want to but the supernatural shit ruin everything, I hate it, it's really lame and unnecessary stuff

Do you really want me to go and make a webm just to disprove either your lying, or mistaken ass?

Because I can tell you right now, they do not react to dead bodies. They react to you and you alone.

If you're seen once, you HAVE to start dispatching enemies (2 per spot usually).
The enemy fighting AI is atrocious once you figure out how limited it is: it's designed to punish your combos because you frame trap yourself for like 120f+, but just using single swipe and thrust is enough to shit on packs of samurai.

whatever it was it was not the body cause i've had enemies walk past bodies who were right in front of them in an open field and do nothing

I'll give you that it is inconsistent and not every enemy type will react to a body, which is definitely shit stealth mechanics, but saying that no enemies at all react to bodies is a lie.
I'm not saying Sekiro's stealth mechanics are anything but half baked and barely functional, but body detection is in.

I like stealth, but I also like the game not sucking shit if you're not using it. The best part of Sekiro is once you get cloud and a few upgrades, you can do most areas almost entirely in stealth, but you don't have to either.

I'll download it again. I fucking love that game.

ironic weeb-tier

>but I also like the game not sucking shit if you're not using it
then you don't like stealth because any stealth game that is worth shit encourages you to play stealthy

This multi hit bone breaker thing 19 seconds in and ayames backflip neck breaker at 37. Sorry about the music, im lazy.
youtube.com/watch?v=n9a5blCblbs

Part 1 yes.

I was at Ashina Castle after the first invasion, killed one of the red 2kat enemies, jumped on a high roof, and another red 2kat guy came by, saw the body, and reacted to it. Like I said here not every enemy does it but some do
If you want to recreate the scenario its on the long stairway after the bull fight arena, but again it happened for me during the first castle invasion

>but body detection is in.
It absolutely is not.
I'm on my third play through, 50+ hours in, i've not seen it once.
So please, tell me which enemies it is so I can make a webm to shut you the fuck up now and every other time you pop up in a thread spouting the same bullshit.

>what is siphon filter, the best stealth game ever made.
kek

>what is siphon filter
shit

What is this nigger saying

you make some fair points, but I still think fatal shadows is better. I'll take levels like following someone through a town from the distance over "go through this temple of instant death pits and no checkpoints for 50 minutes". the interiors lead to too linear level design where you just kind of go along the path and stab someone when their back turns, a more open area leads to it being harder to get past everything (and the game still has its fair share of interiors)

as for the abilities, fatal shadows overall wins out. first of all you can still cling to the roof (could be you didn't unlock it given that abilities are now based on scrolls you get through playing the game in any level well instead of one ability per level you can get). fatal shadows also has lots of really great moves like being able to stealth kill with perfectly aimed shurikens, wall running or an item that lets you hang in a wall suspended for a while, being able to stun people instead of kill them (great for the innocent villagers). every single ability and item from wrath of heaven besides the thing you posted and mind control show up in some form in fatal shadows and generally they're made better or more interesting and I feel like in terms of level design your .gif is probably a fair trade for fatal shadows bringing back swimming from the PS1 games.

it's also got a great ass soundtrack, more enjoyable combat and more of a focus on replaying the game and challenge modes. I mean listen to this shit youtube.com/watch?v=X6JBfZBrkzo

man that game was some silly fun, I should replay it some day

play fatal shadows then, where the most supernatural things get is some malnourished 16 year old being able to suplex grown men by being really angry

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, I'd make a webm for you myself but I'm at work right now
see specific instance it happened for me here

>Tenchu is 21 years older
>Tenchu is fucking older than the people posting their faggot opinions
You fucking faggots have no clue do you, you give Sukiro 20 years and see what its like

fuck I forgot to mention the best change in fatal shadows from WOH - you can DRAG BODIES again like in the ps1 games

it's a way better game, you simply have more options and it's focused more on being a game first and ninja scroll fanfiction second the way WOH is. I played it a shitload when I was younger but it's the weaker game, probably because fatal shadows heavily takes assets from it in order to expand on it

Shinobido too

It was a fantastic game.

I absolutely loved Tenchu Z, I give zero fucks. I'm thinking about getting a 360 to mod it and play those games I miss so much. Don't really want to fuck with it, though, and I'll just get bored with it after a bit.

I thought it was cool that fatal shadows had branching levels based on actions you've taken, such as if you kill everyone in the first level you get a different second mission

That's weird as hell, I always thought those moves only required you to be side on to the enemies, i'm guessing it must be reasonably generous with the approach angle as I don't think i've ever done them by being back to back.

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you're retarded. gameplay doesn't improve over time. the reason tenchu sucks is because they tried to make a 3d action game on PSX hardware.
DMC 1-3 are still amazing games that play just as good as they used to, better than DMC5 even, because the PS2 hardware was suited for it
tenchu would probably be a DMC-tier classic if it wasn't developed for the PSX. Sekiro on the other hand will still be amazing 20 years later

>Tenchu is 21 years older
DELETE THIS.

calm down, little man.
before I beat you into submission.

I tried to replay it kind of recently and I was sad that it was just a boring grind. It really doesn't offer a lot of room for creativity.

To be fair, I never saw them at all normally. Finished the game and checked gamefaqs to see if I had seen everything and one says go back to back for a different kill move which did work. Maybe there is a sensible way to do them but I dont know how.

Why are zoomers so bad at baiting, is it a generational thing, a fluoride thing?

nah. you really shouldn't.

in fact you won't.

It is better than Tenchu (any)

>It really doesn't offer a lot of room for creativity.
Shit nigger, it offers way more room for creativity than any other Tenchu. Tenchu Z is the tits mechanically and you get some crazy abilities.

It is an absolute slog to 100% though.
>50 missions
>three layouts
>those fucking funny hat wearing motherfuckers that you have to find and kill in every mission
>thinking you've killed them all
>missed one
>have to go back through 50 fucking missions killing them all again
Just fucking end me.

probably

Not that guy, but it technically is now. They own the rights to it, Activision sold it to them. The licensing for the franchise is a nightmare though, because so many people have published it even Sega. Z was published by From Soft in Japan.

Due to the licensing issues, chances are we actually might never see a Tenchu game ever again. I want From to stop with souls"like" games and give me more of the stuff they used to make, even the weird shit no one played. Otogi 2 would be cool

>zoomer trying to act old

It's everything like Tenchu 1, and I was a person who thought they were bullshitting when they said it started out as a Tenchu sequel. Compare Onikage against the purple minister ninjas, Mei Oh against the bosses that use lightning swords, the weird animal bosses against the fucking bear and animals, how stealth and AI boils down to just being behind an enemy and hitting attack to do an invulnerable animation. Even fight pace of the block swing block is tenchu 1 as hell, the only difference at all is it's newer engine so bosses can do fancier shit, everything is sped up hugely and no semi tank controls. Because of this everything flows a lot faster and there's less punishment for being spotted, you can take on groups of enemies even if you both act the same in straight combat as Tenchu 1 down to your health numbers but the mobility breaks open your options and aggressiveness.

So it by all extents and purposes what a modern high production Tenchu 1 would play like today, mixed with a bit of Otogi and Soul's death checkpoint mechanics. That's without going into the similarities of Rikimaru and Sekiro himself and both characters coming back from a "assumed death". Sure, I'd like to see a stealth focused actual Tenchu but this still works great as a action focused spinoff and sates what fans are left a little.

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it's a shit tomb raider knockoff with no platforming where you can shoot enemies with a suppressed pistol

Sekiro might be shit in 20 years, that's fine. In fact, it's already happened to Dark Souls 1 after 8 years for the same reason as Tenchu (shit gameplay).

For anyone curious enough to want to play through the Tenchu series of games, here are your options;
Tenchu 1
Tenchu 2
Tenchu 3 (Wrath of Heaven or Return from Darkness or the PSP port if you wanna play it on the go, it's pretty decent so give it a try)
Tenchu Fatal Shadows (Also has a PSP port and it is also pretty fun to play, try it out if you want)
Tenchu Z
Tenchu Time of the Assassins
Ghost of Tsushima
And that is all the games that are worth your time.

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>Maybe there is a sensible way to do them but I dont know how.
Try a three point turn, run behind them perpendicular to the direction the enemy is facing, then back/turn into them a little. I suspect that's how i've always been pulling them off by accident.

Alternatively a roll reversal would make it pretty easy, just run up on them, reverse roll, execute. Tricky to do on a moving target i'd imagine, but a stationary one would be pretty easy with some practice.

nah nah nah.

dont even think about it.

so the gameplay is nothing like it but it references tenchu so it's totally like it

all of the PSP ports of tenchu are unplayable because your character cant see anything past 10 feet, its all blackness that isnt loaded in it

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>Demon Souls is 10 years old
Jesus fuck.

IGN gave God Hand a 3/10.

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I LOVE TESSHU POSTER.

once your seen the problem with AI is that it desnt chase you for too long and then when they enter caution mode they walk around for a a short while before walking back to their path routine. This is the flaw with the AI.

The other problem with AI is that it never avoids caltrops and the bosses are easily defeated with smoke grenades or regular grenades.

I don't think the AI is easy to fight, the reason is because its unpredictable and they actually block attacks so you have to bait attacks to punish their wiffs.
you can combo cancel btw, so no you won't get punished by your full combos.

>go through this temple of instant death pits and no checkpoints for 50 minutes
Amagai Castle? Thats easily the best mission in WOH and no mission in FS compares to it.

WOH level design had more entry points and ways to navigate and didnt feel like a linear corridor. Infact the playthrough with other characters inserts the player in different spots of the level. This is far better than FS, it actually feels like you have to explore

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draging bodies is somewhat useless through. Infact sometimes you want the enemy to discover the body so they can break their routines and come clser to you.
FS did have enemies being able to assassinate you, this is the only thing I think they improved.

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Game journalists aren't people, so their opinions on anything doesn't matter.

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>all of the PSP ports of tenchu are unplayable because your character cant see anything past 10 feet, its all blackness that isnt loaded in it
This, the PSP games really are not great all.
Although ironically the PSP is the best way to play Tenchu 1/2.
Perfect emulation, perfect performance, and if you've got tv out for your PSP + dualshock 3, you're set.

The PSP ports for WoH and FS don't have this problem, only Time of The Assassins does this for whatever fucking reason, I don't why but I agree it's bad.

no, the Buddhist TEMPLE, like I said. which is overly long, only has one route that actually leads to the end and is full of instant death pits where if you fall into them you need to do the entire level again, and generally only has like 1-2 enemies per area so it's quite easy to sneak up on them and take them out

there's also the cave level which has a lot of the same issues

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to this day the best intro in any game, ever made.

>Thought Sekiro was going to play like a Tenchu game.
>Turns out they were going to make a Tenchu game but decided against it.
Please just let me play as Rikimaru again.

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You're missing stuff too:
>General's horse is named Onikage.
>Lone Shadow Swordsman and Madam Butterfly literally have kick moveset lifted from Onikage down to the axe kick and combo variations.
>Command jumps.
>Plunging canned kills.
>Wall-hug canned kills.
>Ledge canned kills.
>Dragon boss has a literal copy of Mei-Oh's Shichisto Sword.
>Both """ninjas""" in each series have some type of scale or mail.
>Shadows Die Twice is literally a quote from Wrath of Heaven where Onikage and Rikimaru both die, but their shadows aren't killed due to weird YOOOOOOOO ninja magic.
There are a gazillion similarities and nods. Also, a lot of what is in Souls CAME from Tenchu.

?
That's still better than Tenchu (any).

While I'll agree that the PSP ports aren't as great and cannot be compared to their original PS2 counterparts, I was still mind blown over how the those crazy bastards over at Japan managed to cram both Wrath of Heaven and Fatal Shadows into the PSP and made it completely playable. It's basically like playing a PS2 game on the go.

I hate to be that guy, but the only good thing about Syphon Filter was the tazer user.

It was a legit 9/10 tazer though.

the only issue with fatal shadows vs wrath of heaven is that fatal shadows doesn't have B-side

Tenchu Wrath of Heaven was the best in the series

I know. But the only thing good about Tenchu was Ayame and Onikage.

>FS did have enemies being able to assassinate you, this is the only thing I think they improved.
The high level ninjas and oni in WOH could assassinate you.

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Which Shinobido is that?

New Tenchu where you play as a milfy Ayame and you're able to lure in your enemies with your ara ara charm and then assassinate them when?

No, the gameplay is very similar with the advances of a newer engine. Hence "if tenchu was made today", the reason I compare it against Tenchu 1 is because the later Tenchu added more mechanics focused on the ninja portion while Sekiro has bare bones stealth exactly the same as Tenchu 1. Go dig up the latter bosses of Tenchu and put it against a guy playing Sekiro who isn't playing it like a Souls game. Sekiros gameplay is so simple in its core it doesn't depart far from it, the bosses are just doing fancier moves which you'd expect against a earlier PS1 era game vs a game released a week ago. Sekiro is more similar to Tenchu 1 than DMCV is to DMC3 and older games that are all within the same series.

The only real different is very little body awareness, but I can see why they did this (it would kill the pacing otherwise).

only as a special grab move, in fatal shadows pretty much anyone can do it and its "dont let the enemy get behind you" instead of "jump when I do this pose"

Sekiro already exists and it's better.

Nope.

>putting all the budget into that ass jiggling
based

Like this?
youtube.com/watch?v=J23oMSk1h8o

I believe you can really see the skeletal structure of what was Tenchu there, it's very much a DMC1 - RE4 situation where parts were added to make it more actiony and sped up and some art and characters were changed around to accommodate the new direction which might've stemmed from a marketing brand association thing (ie if we don't added more Souls aspects it won't ride off Soul's brand power) Seki himself could've been a retooled Riki like how Dante was originally Leon Kennedy.

this was scripted only certain enemies were able to fall for this

>while Sekiro has bare bones stealth exactly the same as Tenchu 1
because sekiro's stealth was a slapped on mechanic and never meant to be the focus of the gameplay
tenchu 1 was barebones because it's an old as fuck game and one of the first of its genre. still by all means a stealth game
sekiro is a souls game with a stealth mechanic that you cant even make use of many times because either the AI will detect you through telepathy or because it's a fight that was scripted and you cant use stealth (which was only a thing in bosses in techu)

the games play nothing alike. sekiro could've been a stealth game and a successor to tenchu but instead they made it a homage, if anything

I did this and it was completely worth it for Tenchu Z alone

it would be better if it didn't reuse the same four levels and the enemies weren't such pushover.

>only as a special grab move
user, in WoH, they specifically had to be directly behind you in order for it to go off. Getting snuck by them was a pain.

>playing Tenchu in bed on PSP
>see Tenchu bread
Today was a comfy day.
Also Tenchu Z PC release when? I needs to mod it.

More games need Izuna Drop.

Only played Tenchu 2, didn't like it much.
The boss battle theme kicked ass.
youtu.be/vrp7e3bhwvM

Yes, I want to see this side of the female Ninja being implemented more in games. Being thrown into enemy territory and having nothing but your feminine wiles to get you by and now that I think about it, it kinda reminds me of Hitman and how you need to blend in and not rouse suspicious.

There's 15+ different maps, each is used for 3+ missions, each of those missions has three layouts.

Yeah, but I am already modding an Xbox, I don't want to fuck with JTAG or whatever it is you gotta do to mod a 360. I can mod an Xbox without buying parts, I don't think you can do that to a 360. Or can you? I don't wanna burn discs, I just want to play off the hard drive.

never ever because license clusterfuck but the xbox emulator xenia is progressing at a pretty damn decent pace so in a couple of years it may run emulated

Of course. Even the smallest details, like Rikimaru and Wolf having the same awkward crouch slash are little hints. I would say it very much is a DMC/RE situation.

any ninja game will awlays have that move

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And thank GOD they didn't do that. Nobody wants a Tenchu sequel or successor. Literally nobody on Yea Forums talks about Tenchu because the games aren't good.

No one talks about it because the last true game came out over 10 years ago and this place is ridden of zoommers who dont know its existance

Nevermind, my 360 was made in 2010. Can't JTAG it and I ain't fucking with going around looking for one that can. I'm already in trouble with the vidya sellers around me.

People talk about boomer trash all the time.

Tenchu was fun as fuck when I was a kid
I remember one time I pulled off this sick move where I swum up and jumped out of the water, landing on an enemy and instakilling him.
Try as I might I couldn't pull it off again

Tesshu on thot patrol.

>nobody wants a Tenchu sequel or successor
Imfuckingplying

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the games are dated, yes. doesn't mean a sequel with updated mechanics couldnt be good

Why the fuck aren't there more games where you be a ninja and just do ninja shit for the PC

For evidence check this github.com/xenia-project/game-compatibility/issues/592
Those crazy sons of bitches already managed to get ingame in a level with a couple of graphical glitches by March last year.

i like this dude's design better than sekiro's weebshit

Tenchu Z and Shinobido have you going around and conducting missions and it's pretty much all you do.

It's based off Kurosawa. It's not going to be anything like Tenchu you come-drinker.

It's not on PC, so no.

She has a nice butt though.

Yeah it will you dummy.

This fucker here.

If you kill a dog with an uppercut you break them and they play a human death animation.

youtu.be/N9DDOe4g6wU