Episode Ardyn fucking SUCKS

I'm surprised they ended up reconfiguring the map so much.

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Quite possibly the least surprising thing ever.

I tempted to buy this only because it has Insomnia before the destruction.

Also, how come Regis didn't recognize Ardyn despite apparently meeting him in this dlc?

>Ardyn and Regis meet each other in this DLC
doesn't this directly contradict this scene is Kingsglaive? youtube.com/watch?v=OmBhk410YpU

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Ardyn thinks he's got the last laugh but what he doesn't realize is he's just part of Bahamut's machinations. He could've killed Noctis earlier and unleashed hell on Earth but Bahamut manipulated him into thinking that his revenge will be fulfilled when he waits for the True King to awaken because Bahamut knows they're fucked when Ardyn goes all out. His conversation with Bahamut literally went "Actually you're just a sacrificial lamb. The TRUEST King will appear this time for real to erase the darkness in the world and after you just have to kill him to complete your revenge. Everything will be totally fine bro trust me!!"

>Be Ardyn
>Constantly help people
>Cool guy with hot girlfriend
>The gods are going to make you king
>Whoops your girlfriend slips up and tells your jackass brother who tries to kill you and take the title of king you didn't really care too much about in the first place from you
>Well no sweat. The gods will surely stop this shit right?
>Brother starts going ham
>Uhh Bahamut? Any second now would be great!
>Girlfriend gets cut down
>WHAT THE FUCK GODS!?
>Brother KO's you, locks you up for 2000 years, damns your name and removes you from history
>Get broken out and basically used for your powers
>Mentally tortured by visions of your beloved dying and your bro being a cunt
>Rightfully want some payback in some capacity
>Start wrecking shit and duking it out with current king
>Win!
>Bahamut intervenes
>"You can't kill the current king! That's not nice!
>GEE WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU TO SAY THAT TO MY BROTHER ASSHOLE!?
>Bahamut doesn't give a fuck about your logic and basically puts a cherry on top of the shit sundae saying you are going to kill a shit ton of people and be a super bad guy so his super king of prophecy can beat him up because he said so
>Can't fucking do anything about
>He gets away with everything and your basically fucked dealing with the retarded plot of FFXV

Being Ardyn is suffering

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He did recognise him in Kingsglaive and is noticeably pissed when he walks into his throne room. But Regis kind of aware of Ardyn and his role in events after what happens in the DLC, Bahamut tells him about the prophecy and Noctis having to die.

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thanks for reminding me

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Forgot that Tabata straight up lied about Luna joining your party at some point in the games story, literally never happened.

Her fight animations are even in the game files, she could cast defense spells and specialised in wind and healing magic.

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If this DLC is what scrap from FFv13 plot then i'm glad that game never exist

I refuse to believe this. I made it 4 hours into XIII and had to stop because everything was terrible. It was like I was playing a lobotomized version of XII and VII mashed together.

>WAAAAHH Final Fail XV sucks!!! REEEE

I could have told you that, faggot.

What made you think this had anything to do with Versus13?

>Bahamut doesn't give a fuck about your logic and basically puts a cherry on top of the shit sundae saying you are going to kill a shit ton of people and be a super bad guy so his super king of prophecy can beat him up because he said so
It's not like ardyn cares about killing people especially considering that the confrontation happened after what he did to insomnia.

What I want to know is what the logic behind what was being said here? Because nothing makes in this confrontation nor line with the main story.

I csn believe it. I vastly prefer 13 to 15. Looked prettier too.

It gets good 30 hours in.

Why is this game still going? SE discovering games as a service has been nightmarish.

>bad soundtrack
Post it.

I want those cheesy J-rock tunes, and I thought a few of the themes in the trailer bopped.

This is the stupidest fucking meme. It gets BETTER 30 hours in, not good

>scrap Versus 13 plot
>no FNC
>no Noctis
>no Etro
>no Stella
>no "eyes that see the light of expiring souls"
>not even a hint of trademark Nomura edginess

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FF15 made me look back at FF13 and appreciate the things it did right, like the soundtrack.

I never fucking knew this. Either that or I forgot.

Wow. This company really shit the bed with this piece of shit game.

Ardyn made XV worth it in the end for me, he has a great story. And his DLC theme is kino.

youtu.be/ZiPZCaKDbnA?list=PLWV5iikVUf4aVi5tOXkjldnAvRrHHlend

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youtube.com/watch?v=_RRefXawjnM

>Chink niggers

No thanks, faggot.

>he doesn't know about all the stuff that got cut from the game or all the straight up lies
oh user how i envy you

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Wait so what was Starscourge again?

demon aids

Some localisations say that Ifrit summoned a meteor in the astral war and it had the starscourge virus inside it, so it's alien.

faggot

Wait till Barry hears about THIS

Is this webm supposed to be bad? That's hilarious that you can crash into a light pole.

>Haha glitches and errors in gameplay are so fun guys look I swear it's not bad at all! HAHA

So like Jenova? What's with Square worrying about aliens killing everything? Did the same thing with Lavos and Mario RPG

>crashing your car is now a glitch

No it's kino and you clearly never played it

It's such a shame we never got the finished version of the game. It looked so good.

Something tell me true Versus13 is definitely coming and i'm not talking about Verum Rex

>tfw the opening cutscene of ep ardyn BTFO versus/nomura cucks
no wonder they're seething and lying on the internet again

No that scene clearly implies regis knows ardyn already

the gods all became dead when noctis performed providence

Here he is.

That happens a lot with S-E, i think i remember something about FFXIII "Being a evolution of the XII battle system where fights take place without transition" among other things.

Comes with the territory of them announcing games still in fucking conceptual stages i guess.

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No luna was never playable in base game or intended to be, what he said was she just helps noctis during his fight and its sort of like as if noctis is joining her, which is what happens during leviathan when luna powers up noctis king of king powers and protects him from the tidal wave by holding him

these animations were not in base game, they were only added around the time royal edition came out in 2018 because before ep luna got greenlit you were going to be able to unlock playable luna in royal edition, but in early 2018 before royal edition released ep luna got greenlit so they decided to move that to ep luna, though unfortunately got canceled in September 2018.
basically you would get a sylleblossum item to equip to noctis and luna would become the 5th party member if no guest was in the party

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ep ardyn uses cutscenes almost identical to versus ones

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its just KH kun aka ff13 fag aka badonkadonk samefagging
no one thinks 13 is better than xv

what glitch?
dont crash into poles

Don't you have some KH3 dlc to shill?

>kh kun on suicide watch and damage control samefagging again because ep ardyn is kino
yikes

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>a few references means the plot is the same
>implying that gimped ffxv version even comes close to the Versus 13 scenes youtu.be/g2en0gdL5T4?t=172
no user, no.

XV version is far superior
versus is gimped

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Don't worry. It's still coming.

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Oh, and before this gets referred to as Zeal's leak, don't take Zeal's word for it--he once stole fanart and pranced around with it stating that it was key art for an as-yet-planned FFVIII remake. He's also been known to unironically liken himself to the 'rad' trad protag of The Young Pope who forms a cult of personality around himself while pretending it's for Versus (or, in the case of The Young Pope, the Abrahamic God).

TL;DR, Zeal, just like Bazztek, is prone to lying and falseflagging to make their dicks look bigger. Don't engage.

I'm curious, what is Versus, why is it inferior to 15 and why do I keep seeing these two mentioned here in Yea Forums?

>all those deleted posts defending XV
boards.fireden.net/v/thread/448127641

it was always a roadtrip about the bros and about following your fate
they just swapped falcie for astrals, ceith for daemons, lcie and focus for oracle/king and calling, fabula nova crystallis for cosmogony
even the death shit is still there with bloodprice, daemons, the lucii, the ring literally housing souls and casting death, noctis seeing luna and regis's souls plus the lucii who are all souls too and himself becoming one, his eyes still turn red when using that royal power, niflheim ivades for the crystal which was just the prologue as it was stated to always be

like its so much the same that you versus cucks get hung up on what little changed, most of which was just swapping shit around or superficial changes. the core roots of what the project was still remained and even shimomura said that too

Already proven fake
fuck off rectum cux

Still can't get over the promotional artwork.

versus was just the prototype concept version of XV before it became XV

It's like as if someone obsessed over the FF Gaiden concept art with the job system and actual armored dragoons before it became FF9 and changed all that and all those characters changed, except versus to XV changed way less than that.

>kh sperg still coping

(pic related) A good rundown on what had happened when Versus became XV:

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I like FFXV, for the same reasons I think people like 'The Room'.

>what could have been
Bravo for that user who summed it up accurately.

Not nearly as incompetent, and the massive ammount of people working at FFXV still had a lot of talent and experience.

Thank you, user. Any time.

Your best ancom girl, (pic related)

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Thank you, user. Any time.

Your best ancom girl, (pic related)

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Friendly reminder that Barry doxxed someone who BTFO'd him, then threatened her with rape. Trainwreck starts here:
boards.fireden.net/v/thread/334777441/#q334799426

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2013 stella was literally just Luna character wise already, only her name was still stella
that was their reasoning for deleting her entirely and just putting luna, because they said if they still had stella then people would see shes nothing like what they made up in their heads and from the versus concept trailers, which is why they just ripped off that bandaid and retooled 2013 stella to luna, she was already changed to being childhood friends with noctis in 2013 like luna is while she never was in versus

We know that she was deleted along with the FNC lore (and that her Visual Works model was even used in release!FFXV for in-game advertisments). Why even bring this up again?

That's a bit of an overly negative spin on the story. There was still a very clear vision to the game, even after it was retooled into FFXV and I maintain that XV, had it actually been properly finished, would have been a great game. There are still traces of what could have been in the game we actually got.

Thanks for the growing Stella. I felt most sad about losing the Robert Ferrari script line, more so than the car sponsorship and the Reon (that how its spelled?) suit designs. They even hyped it up back then and some of us were going >heresy why isn't it Nomura's designs. Turns out we got neither. Instead we got a disappointing movie.

NGL, the Roberto Ferrari storyboards were fantastic. It almost felt like the best of what Tabata and Nomura could do--of course, the fact that Stella was confirmed to have been alive the whole time kind of killed my hype for what could have been a cultural phenomenon (which XV isn't and what Versus XIII might not have been).

VIIR when?

Also, you're always welcome, user. You're always welcome.

Your best ancom girl, (pic related)

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>kh sperg still posting random anonymous posts as proof
>already established fact that kh fags falseflag to shitpost against XV and anyone defending it
Nice try KH kun you lying falseflagging cunt

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>You will never seeth this hard over a game

Gotta love his robotic nature and lack of self-awareness when posting in these threads as if he's going off some failure's Psyop script.

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fabula nova crystallis and stella nox fleuret were swapped out with cosmogony and luna nox fleuret

Her first design was god tier, they really shouldn't have changed it

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It's honestly just a 6/10 for me. Episode Ignis is still the best DLC in the game and while EP Ardyn started off strong, it became more disappointing as it went on. The fact that we get no alternate ending like Ignis got made it much worse for me.

How are you so sure that there aren't multiple KHfags on this very board that outnumber you and can corroborate the fact that you threatened someone with rape and doxxed that person? Way to make your dick look thick, Barry, you really are just like Zeal.

proto stella was not 2013 stella

Not using the superior 2011 trailer!Stella

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They never explain why Regis doesn't panic when he sees him in Kingsglaive. The only explanation is that Bahumut told him that Ardyn needs to be killed by Noctis to save the world, but they never show or explain this.

In other words, the DLC still has the biggest story problem from the main game. Also the event that pushes Ardyn to finally pursue revenge makes no real sense and came out of no where. At first, he seems quite apathetic about getting revenge until they pull a complete asspull on us.

That couldn't have happened without first erasing the FNC lore beforehand, then using its themes to make a similar mythology that fills in the void left behind by what was deprecated in the first place.

Shit game gets shit dlc. In other news, pangaea is splitting.

By the sounds of it, the next KH game/DLC is going to use concepts from Versus.

nomura didn't like it
he only liked 2013 stella which is also luna with her hair down

btw the 2013 face renders were Naora using visual works to render his realistic version of the 2D designs he based them on, he was art director but more specifically art director for characters since he joined in 2012, he also designed somnus, aera, 2000 years ago ardyns outfit and modified 2013 stella to luna, though the 2013 stella we see was already Naora's cg version of her that he just based on nomuras 2d design

Isnt the FF franchise typically just a lot of wasted potential in general? Barebones, all they had really going for them was "innovation" and "graphics" or being pretty good for that era. Like the Marvel movies.

So wait, that scene at the end. Does that imply that Ardyn DID in fact kill ladyface, and rightfully needed to be locked up or was that his power fantasy or was he sent back in time or what? What a mess.

because it's a proven fact kh fags are samefags desperate to look like there is more than there actually it

>The only explanation is that Bahumut told him that Ardyn needs to be killed by Noctis to save the world, but they never show or explain this.
They do, in the Omen trailer which is canonical but not in the final fucking game.

Regis clearly recognizes ardyn in that scene

>They never explain why Regis doesn't panic when he sees him in Kingsglaive
Regis clearly shits a brick when Ardyn enters the throne room, also

everyone here is so fucking negative. Jesus fucking christ, how horrible it must be to be around you in real life.

Power fantasy over assumption that Aera and Somnus betrayed him by hiding the truth from him.

2011 Noctis is best Noctis.

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>Surprising literally nobody, Somnus is the final boss
>the final boss theme is literally Ardyn's Theme x Somnus' Theme

the change happened sometime after E3 2013. Kingsglaive already started by October 2013 and had Luna, Nyx and the kingsglaive created

the dlc is good

it isn't at all

They fucked up a game that was the most hyped FF game at it's time and brushed it off without a proper apology or explanation. Not only that, it took 10 fucking years all for nothing.

That end scene with Ardyn coming out of that cave and murderkilling his brother and the girl leads me to assume he was sent back in time, and just spent the whole time just waiting around until modern day (again) so that he can set everything in motion.

Do I have to pay extra for that or is it part of royal edition?

>that point about Kingsglaive
It infuriated me to see what they did to Ravus

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that's 2009 noctis

maybe if they didnt waste all that money on stupid shit like the movie and mobile version the game would have actually been good.

>Pic related based his entire look over Noctis after seeing him in the Versus trailer years ago
>His gf literately looks like Stella
>Even owns the real, licensed Noctis outfit and clothes from the same brand
>Even he admits FFXV is a complete mess and that Tabata fucked shit up

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only a kh fag would say this

Pay extra, it's 10$

Episode Iris when?

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Really? That's the problem, it's so horribly vague and makes no sense. How are we meant to know when we're never told anything?

I'm a bigger FF fan than KH.

It's just a power fantasy delusion.

You don't actually control takeoff/landing. The game crashed into the pole, not the player.

people are brainlets
his actions in the movie and perfectly in line with his motives given in the game and ep ignis
he did it for Luna, i called that back before the game was out and even when the game was out people still acted like he acts differently, the fact is ravus was a red herring on being the "villain", he just wanted to be the chosen king to aid Luna as oracle instead of noctis being it

>proving my point

Open world was where it all went wrong. Prove me wrong.
Even the God of War 4 people said that making their game open world would be beyond the scope of manpower they could afford and it would take forever, just like Death Stranding right now. Tabata was insane.

Closed world FF Versus would probably have been amazing. They had all the experience at hand already on making those.

they did the movie so the game could even release in 2016, the monitor version was 2 years after that

no one cares about some versus cuck and his opinion means nothing

IDK, Nomura was very attached to what Versus could have been under his direct supervision. It's a very personal game with ideas that stemmed from how Nomura felt about the world if what was said by this user some time ago was true:

>Versus was the most realistic Final Fantasy installment in terms of its setting and world design, which lean toward a more modern aesthetic than fantasy or science fiction. ...

It's literally the opposite of that now. Versus had more focus on the political and "ugly realities of the world" and there was a dark almost tragic tone that was really subtle but very present which was nice.
boards.fireden.net/v/thread/373508463/#q373527283

>Nomura literally created it as a counterpoint to the direction of XIII (hence the title Versus XIII) and all of the trailers and layered with personal statements, his final trailer is literally an obscured goodbye message and statement that got him in trouble with SE's management.
boards.fireden.net/v/thread/409103115/#q409115168

There's no way something like this would be possible under Disney--Nomura would either have to create an entirely new IP just to address these themes (which, in themselves, are incompatible with FFVIIR), or revive the Versus project.

For this reason, Verum Rex can never be Versus XIII. VR isn't informed by the issues that drive vXIII's narrative and only serves as a fun encapsulation of /what Nomura wants/ in /his/ games.

With discussion surrounding what could have been even reaching Akio Oofuji (the current brand FFXV director) on the ATR a year and a few months back, Nomura has no other option but to bring back Versus--that is, if he wants to. Anyone wanna buy stock in SQEX and disrupt shareholder meetings to tell Matsuda himself that the Versus project must be brought back, or even gather up a crowd to yell during the next Square Enix/Sony E3 presentation? Petitions never work--those just might.

he timed his takeoff wrong by taking off near poles

>owns the Roen suit
How much money does he have? Roen is extremely expensive
He's obviously talking about the character design user, why else would he post that picture?

>It's literally the opposite of that now. Versus had more focus on the political and "ugly realities of the world" and there was a dark almost tragic tone that was really subtle but very present which was nice.

This quote should have been in greentext, BTW. My apologies.

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Imagine having your dream project that you sunk years into, even after SE consistently fucked things up (poaching team members to fix FFXIV/XIII, never giving him staff) and being forced to work on a sequel to a series you've spent most of your career on (KH) and to then twist the knife, being forced to direct FFVIIR without even being asked to. How he hasn't left is beyond me.

You can't time the takeoff. It takes off whenever the game feels like it.

being seamless open world as much as possible with only few load areas is what nomura wanted since 2010 and what tabata carried on through XV, nomura even said part of the reason they moved to 8th gen platforms was because ps3 couldnt keep up with map streaming when they were testing driving the car and he said their goal was seamlessness in the world which again tabata also said and achieved on the lucis map

>A horrid game can't be fixed with DLC.
Who would have thought?

Literally all of that describes the final game, are you dense?

He look exactly like young Vincent in FF7DoC

He doesn't care anymore. He's just a hack as toriyana now.

They fucked up a game that was the most hyped KH game at it's time and brushed it off without a proper apology or explanation. Not only that, it took 10 fucking years all for nothing.

>his final trailer is literally an obscured goodbye message and statement that got him in trouble with SE's management.
What trailer? What message?
Link with proof or fuck off

But that fully describes the XV we got

It was XV (along with a rental of XIII years ago) that made me hold off on buying KH3. I have completely lost faith in SE.

>KH fans can admit that KH3 is overrated and a disappointment in many aspects, despite still being a good game
>Barry thinks FFXV is a stunning and brave game with no faults

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Well in that case everyone in kingsglaive had real people face scans compared to their game designs

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>i have two personalities

I can believe that because I think time travel does exist in XV. But we don't know for sure, I don't think Ardyn killed Regis, Somnus probably just knocked him out so he could take control briefly to fight Ardyn.

I figure Regis would've consulted the crystal/bahamut after the attack and learned more about Ardyn, and from there would've kept a close eye on him.

He would've known about Ardyn being the Chancellor prior to Kingsglaive, but you can still see him looking really unnerved when he enters the throne room, gritting his teeth almost. I mean it's really obvious Regis knows who he is, and that's without Episode Ardyn.

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nomura is the one who fucked it up and got nothing done and changed shit on a whim

>How much money does he have? Roen is extremely expensive
Yeah, I remember the FFXV stuff being worth a few thousand. He works at Roen now and I'm pretty sure he comes from money because even before he worked there, he had many Roen pieces and literately lives in Japan studying music.

He's a lucky guy. He looks like Noctis/Sasuke, has a hot girlfriend that looks like Luna/Stella, has expensive clothing and gets to live in Japan studying his passion.

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no you press the button to take off

the game is good and the dlc is kino though

ok kh fag

Is Ardyn one of those good characters stuck in a bad game?

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Bitch the diff modes on KH are a fucking joke.

that's just versus/kh fag fanfic

SHOW HER FEET

No one said XV doesn't have faults idiot, only retarded KH fags lie about this

Genuinely yes, he's the sole reason why I stuck with this shit game in fact.

Call God of War open world is an insult to open world game. That game doesn't even know what it wants to be, it's like a trash mix of dark souls and a pile of shit. If you want an action game, go play DMCV you fucking cunt.

I would recommend that you try playing some other games, because I have no idea how you could possibly come to that conclusion without lacking the experience of games that are good.

So you be sayin Nomura wuz more skilled than Tabata an he could a pulled it off good, but then, dey took him off the project.

great character in a great game

I have, I've been playing Sekiro recently which is good and reminds me of some combat mechanics episode gladio has most notably against Cor

>No one said XV doesn't have faults
I can think of one person.

It was the devs saying they didn't do open world. Not that it is.

Why the fuck did they make Kingsglaive?What the fuck where they thinking making yet another Final Fantasy movie?As if the first one they made wasn't a sign of it being a bad idea. In the end it feels like a total waste of time and money that could've gone into the actual game instead.

No because nomura failed while Tabata suceeded

>dabs on Lucis

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No you can think of one person KH fags frequently lie about things they said

you're misreading the post. He's saying that the people that made the latest God of War claimed that if they had have made the game open world, it would've taken an unreasonable amount of additional resources to do it well.

Don’t take my word for it, but take this guy’s:

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Nyx isn't bad and Kingsglaive is one of the more decent FF movies but damn if it didn't fuck up our chances of a playable prologue and some actual interaction between Noctis and Luna.

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I haven't picked up Sekiro yet, but I can't imagine that anything good from FromSoft's gameplay being applied to anything from FFXV.

So they could release the game by 2016. They decided to do it since they had shown the insomnia attack in versus trailers but knew they couldn't implement it as they envisione in time for release, but by turning it into a movie prologue that is made by CG studios then it frees the devs to make the actual rest of the game

versus fag fanfic

Anti FFXV-kun is worse than FFXV-kun

Gladio's dodge, sidestep and block functions identical to souls games with the same exact button inputs too, someone from fromsoft was part the team

Too bad it still felt unfinished when they released it. I haven't played it since the Festival in 2017, but I would assume that it still feels empty and unfinished.

It was like a more restrained version of BotW, which wasn't very good in and of itself.

He looks really cool like most Ferrari characters, but he feels like a mishmash of compelling antagonists, like the devs couldn't decide on making him a merciless psychopath, a smug mastermind, or a tragic villain, so they just threw it all in a blender.

He clearly shits himself

nice meme
xv feels finished
the story ended
literally the only stuff added were paralel side stories that just expand on stuff you already would know.
botw is what an actual unfinished story looks like

but he is all those and done better than old ones

Hang on, didn’t Barry have a pretty good argument that stated that Kingsglaive was originally a project made as early as 2013 that Nomura was aware of? This meant that the playable prologue would have remained a playable prologue and the movie would have had to occupy some other point in the FFXV narrative.

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>Promto=thief+gunner
>Gladiolas=fighter
>ignis=black mage
>noc=magic knight

>areana=dragoon
>cidney=machinist
>luna=white mage
Seems like they were going for a full female party at some point.

But then why did they get Hollywood actors to be in it to inflate the budget? Hell why the fuck did they get Florence and the machines to sing stand by me? Nobody even remembers that that happened. So much money was thrown around for this project and its all really shit, couldn't they have just made a game with good gameplay and a coherent,well told,straight forward story instead of all of having all this shit around it?

He starts off tragic, descends into psychopath after Episode Ardyn when he learns nothing matters and he's just a pawn. I wouldn't say he's really a mastermind but from the perspective of Noctis he is.

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Sorry, can't find pic in my folder

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At least Btw is fun and easy to get.
XV is just a clusterfuck not even the dlcs can fix that. (The game is fun but daaamn it have a lot of issues)

That reminds me, how did these two sext!?

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>literally the only stuff added were paralel side stories that just expand on stuff you already would know.
Ah, so it's still shit, then. Glad I deleted it off my console, then.

>botw is what an actual unfinished story looks like
I won't argue with you about BotW, but could you imagine BotW if it had huge areas that you couldn't go into, and you couldn't climb, glide, or use the physics engine? That's what XV felt like to me.

kingsglaive was always insomnia invasion
the altissia cg by visual works from the 2013 trailer was actually kingsglaive but we didn't know it yet
in 2014 there is another shot of cg airships flying into altissia at dusk but then in 2016 in a behind the scenes thing that exact scene is stated as kingsglaive with production text on each frame too with only the engine glow being blue in 2014 to red in 2016, but that shot wasn't used in kingsglaive in the end and a similar shot was remade in engine in XV but at day time instead of dusk

What was Iris then? She joins your party in the game but I'm not sure what her class/job is.

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Only their voices was used and only 3 big voices were used which is less than KH uses, facemocap was done by literal whos and models, not the holywood celebs

stand by me lyrics is describing the story of XV, and is about brotherhood like XV is and the name of a novel turned movie about 4 bros going on a journey to see a dead body which is basically what happens in xv too

and none of those things have any bearing on game design or the game production, they're separate

More like Square just ripped off the combat from a much more popular game.

I thought they weren't doing any more DLC for this game

false

Missed opportunity for them to hook up in Noctis' dream world and have sex every night desu. Carbuncle wasn't a bro.

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you can beat botw without climbing once making it pointless

He's not completely absolved of responsibility, but SE had a huge part of it. FFXIII and FFXIV 1.0 seriously fucked things up the most though.

>let playerbase decide what content to create as DLC
>they choose retarded shit over an actual fully fledged NG+ mode

You deserve all the shit that happens to you

I'm pretty sure no one in Altissia have phone

BARRY ARE YOU OKAY?

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You can also beat FFXV without having any fun. The difference is that it's far more likely to beat XV without having any sort of fun, whereas BotW will likely give the player some fun for the first few hours, at least.

no ep gladio is based on souls and is pure action
ep prompto is tps with mgs thrown in
ep ignis is hacknslash with some tactical thing on recovering sector of altissia
ep ardyn is action rpg with verticality and looks back to its own source material and concepts to expound upon

are you ok kevin?

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no and false

Wasting all that money and time on stuff that should've been in the game in the first place. Leave it to squareEnix on being retards and running their IPs to the ground.

unironically yes.

Yes and true. I'm speaking from personal experience with both deeply flawed games.

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Don't forget about Sazh as well

I don't know who even asked for a happy ending, I think Tabata just misinterpreted what fans meant when they said they wanted more. But rather than focusing on sprinkling more cutscenes throughout the story to flesh things out, they decided to create multiple fully fledged DLC.

All they needed to do was make the four bros playable in the main game, not create whole DLC centered around them. I'm sure they could've found ways to reveal Prompto's origins or Ignis' struggle to save Noctis in the main game through a NG+ DLC.

They wasted time and money with the bros DLC tbqh. Stuff like Ardyn's past could've been added in flashbacks too, and if they insisted on adding a new ending that could've been NG+ too. But TL;DR there's just too much DLC tacked on, should've added more INTO the game, not attached more ONTO it.

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I think that it was a mistake to drag out the full game to over 2 years after release, and split it up over anime episode, a movie or two, and a boat load of DLC.

And Lightning's weighted anime run animation cycle.

This is why Japanese devs shouldn't listen to gaikokujin. Its even worse now that they're releasing surveys.

What could have been...

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You could fill a book with the amount of cut content in this game. They were supposed to add a "Forest of Memories" in a patch, but then Tabata left. You'd go there and experience flashbacks of Noctis growing up with Regis and spending time with Luna, Iris and the bros when he was younger.

So the actual story/cutscene patches got shafted for the big DLC's that took more time and money.

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>his whole episode
>She's not mentioned
Jesus fuck.

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Publicity.
People will pay attention to a project if it has Aaron Paul and Florence + the machine attacked to it

>Florence and the machines
Why the fuck they chose that gay song over No Light, No Light.

>denying me my explorable Gralea and Aranea butt shot kino
I am annoyed.

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Game development is hard work. It's even harder when you're handed a scrapped project and expected to make it work when you don't have the slightest clue what people want from it.

because "dude Stephen King lmao"

Can you explain that more? I have no idea what you're talking about.

To think they offered Gentiana as a playable character in the survey, did they have any clue what they wanted to make?

I mean, what would Episode Gentiana even be about? She's Shiva, so would we have played from the Gods perspective, Astral War, Ifrit Boss? What would that even add?

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The main song Florence contributed to FFXV was a cover of "Stand by Me" which is best known from the film of the same name based on a Stephen King story where 4 boys go on a journey to find a dead body.

Too much is never enough really struck a chord with me. Stand by Me is about the bros friendship but the former is more about the tragedy of the entire game and Noctis' sacrifice, I think that on gets overlooked, especially since it was written for the game, stand by me obviously wasn't.

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Oh. Well, that's stupid. It's also a boring as shit song. At least No Light No Light got me feeling moderately excited, instead of bored out of my mind.

XV's entire OST never rose above "Eh, it's ok, I guess." I would mostly listen to other OSTs whenever I could.

You can say that about a lot of other games, not just FF. Square Enix's incompetent management and Tabata are to blame for FFXV

Roberto ferrari line?

I guess World of Ruin=Comrades? But I'm pissed at how they never did a time skip and gave us Daemon Slayer Iris or any new story content, best thing about it is Nobuo Uematsu's music. Should have been a playable chapter in the game, Noctis should have gone to Lestallum to give his speech so we could meet her.

Also I guess most of the story content that was suggested will be covered in the novel, shame we didn't get a playable Cor, I liked him.

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>your second point
You say that, and those surveys are one of the few places where we know Square Enix can read out concerns for the revival of the Versus project.

Really? Yoko Shimomura's music wasn't completely used apparently, only like 30% made it into XV from Versus XIII. But it's still got more stuff than KH3, most of her tracks in that are just rearrangements of old themes, Ishimoto even did the final boss theme instead of her.

youtu.be/GHDT8dPD2S4

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>DLC for a shit game is shit
What did user mean by this?

I haven't played KH3, so I can't comment on that music. But the music was ass compared to earlier FFs and NieR Automata.

I disliked FF15. Got the Royal Edition. I don't drop games ever so I finished the main game.
But I never touched the DLC.

There is nothing redeemable about this game. If you think the story and characters are good I pity you.

hey you little bitch kings knight wrath of the dark dragon was a good game take it back

I'd say her stuff was good but there were a lot of co-composers for XV, so the quality can vary. The guest composers for the DLC are pretty good though, Keiichi Okabe scored Ep Gladio, Matsuda did Ep Ignis and Uematsu and the MH and DMC did some work on other expansions too. So it's got some pretty damn good music, but the base game is mixed.

youtu.be/_8IniwY7KQI?list=PLc_RJ2laVnkAyOd6MIaO7x8yCCakpYorw

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I don't think Ardyn is a good villain or a good character. He's badly written and doesn't fill his role properly.
You might be wowed by his little bows and chara design, maybe his luscious voice acting charmed you or you liked his hat but Ardyn's part terribly sucks everytime he's on screen.

At least play the fucking game before you complain.

What was it about him that was so poorly written? he gets the job done, he has presence, captivating dialogue. He's definitely in the upper echelons when it comes to FF villains, he's not bland.

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I don't really care enough to listen to the DLC music. I was speaking about my own personal experience with the game. Like, if I'm complimenting the music of the game, I'm reaching REALLY deep to try and find something positive, and I couldn't even give FFXV that. The story sucked, the gameplay sucked, the graphics are par for the course regarding FF, and the music never got above "Meh, this song isn't as horrible as the last one, I guess."

XV burned me badly enough that I didn't trust KH3 enough to purchase at full price right away. I went for AC7 instead, which I actually really liked.

I didn't mean bland, i'll right a post.
Basically he cockblocks noctis from gaining character development trough out the game and that might be what the character wants to do, how he's written but from an outside perspective (you and me) it's just a disservice to the story therefore he's badly written that's what i meant.

He is forgettable as fuck, dude. I can never remember his name, and I never particularly liked or disliked him. If FF villains were to be compared to food, I'd describe Ardyn as "plain white rice left in the fridge overnight."

These, user—

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Your taste I guess, I mean I don't play Ace Combat but it looks good for what it is, the music is very good, I've listened to a lot of it online.

But XV is just a game and for me it was entertaining enough to warrant my attention, I wouldn't say it's complete garbage, I'm sure a lot of people who feel burned would like to sensationalize things but it's objectively average. The way the game was handled was undoubtedly shit though, real incompetence behind the scenes.

Is there anything you enjoyed about XV or did it just leave you feeling meh?

I consider it below average. I consider BotW to be below average, but still a fair bit above FFXV. Both games just seem like they are filled with untapped potential that was just pissed away. But BotW actually bothered to put enough effort in to give you a few hours of entertainment.

What villains would you consider memorable? Most people agree he is a pretty good villain. If you're not a fan of XV I can understand why wouldn't care about him, but he's not as shitty and generic as say someone like the Emperor, he has more flare than your average, evil JRPG military guy/evil god.

Every action Ardyn takes is to make Noctis more powerful isn't it? He wants him to suffer and get stronger so he'll kill him and finally be released from life. Seeing Ardyn from an inside perspective does take away from his menacing mystique a little which I disliked, but I wouldn't say it destroyed his characters motivations or anything that drastic.

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I liked BotW but I agree it had untapped potential in places. But the way it was designed didn't really allow for much of a linear story, I wish we could've had a story focused expansion but it was more of the same.

Still love that game though, at the end of the day it's an opinion, I think you have some valid points though about those games, I just think I was able to enjoy the experience a little more than other people who didn't like XV or BotW.

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Based on what I've played (the original game in the condition that it was in at launch), I'd consider Kefka, Sephiroth, Edea, Seifer, Kuja, Seymour, and Ject to be better. I've not played FF1-5, nor have I played any of the XIII's or online ones. He's better than whoever the villain of XII was, and better than Ultimecia.

So the gods in FF15 are bunch of uncaring fucks who has been controlling rise of fall of human civilization in the world for untold eons and the starscorch is something happen to be outside their control.
In Ardyn ending, did Bahamut just made that prophecy up on the spot to control the this cluster fuck of shenanigans?

And I have no issue with that. I'm not XV-kun, where people either share my opinion, or they are wrong. And while I've lost all interest in picking up another FF game at full price, I am still interested in what the next Zelda could bring. I'd like to see them merge what they have with more secrets and content beyond shrines and deku seeds. I'd like it to feel like what I imagined LttP was when I was a kid, and I can totally see them pulling it off due to the success of BotW.

Square, on the other hand, I see just doubling down on everything, including milking it for all it's worth.

I'd agree all of most of those guys being more memorable, but I wouldn't say Ardyn is at the bottom, depending on your opinion he's either around their level or just below.

But I'd still say he's more memorable than a lot of JRPG villains in general, because like I said they usually have generic motivations. I liked that Ardyn's goal was less about revenge and more about wanting to finally be at peace, and in the end he actually won, which doesn't happen all the time in games, Kefka did kind of win too though.

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You clearly didn't play FFVI.

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What would you like for FFXVI?

>he once stole fanart and pranced around with it stating that it was key art for an as-yet-planned FFVIII remake.
Unfortunately for you, I read ALL of Zeal's tweets, and the only FF8-related art was pic related, which he NEVER ONCE stated being intended for a remake.
Nice try, however. Better luck next time, Barry!

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>but I wouldn't say Ardyn is at the bottom
No, I didn't mean to say he was at the bottom. I'd rather eat something bland than something bad. He's just kind of "meh," like a lot of the game. I don't hate anything about him, but I don't particularly like anything about him either.

I found him forgettable. That's better than being memorable for being such a piece of shit. Pic related.

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>Barry going full "but-but KH fags..." again.

Sure thing Barry. Hey guys, remember when Barry tried to argue that XV had better combat and combos than fucking DMC V?

Or when he tried to pin DMCfags against KHfags only for them to not fail to his bait and join up in their loathing of him, utterly BTFOing him?

How about him losing his collective shit over the fact, last time I checked, KH3 didnt have its staff come out at an anniversary stream to announce how much money they lost and that they are cancelling most of the remaining content.

The one thing that is great about Adryn's DLC coming out is that finally he has nothing else to fight for.

Meanwhile, KH will continue having games, FF14 will continue being profitable for SE and DMC V, along RE2 Remake, put Capcom back on track.

Have fun with your last bit of XV, Barry. We are gonna miss you.

There are some things in BotW I'd like the next Zelda game to keep but I'm not sure if the total freedom and lack of linear progression is a good idea, because I don't think they can top Breatg of the Wild in that regard. They really should just reinvent the wheel again but put more focus on story. Unless they plan on doing a Majora's Mask type of sequel with similar gameplay and maybe more linearity.

And with XV I can understand why it left a stale taste in everyone's mouth, even as a fan I'm mad at Square for fucking things up so badly. But there are a lot of JRPGs on the market these days, I'm sure something good will come up.

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FF8 is my favorite game, and I can safely say that I don't want Square to do anything with that game. Not after X-2, XII, XIII series, and XV.

Why? It's genuinely the one FF game that Square cannot make any worse by remaking it.

>Already proven fake
There are only 2 ways one could ever "prove" an actually confirmed leak "fake":
1) Proving that the dates have somehow been falsified.
2) Proving that Verum Rex never happened, it was all a giant collective hallucination.
Good luck proving any of that, Barry!

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fucking hell noctis is now my most hated JRPG protagonist of all time.

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Like I said, I could see them doing a pseudo hybrid. Plenty of exploring, with good rewards for doing it (like the ice rod, invisible cape, etc), and still giving you plenty of dungeons that are on par with Hyrule Castle in BotW, which I did feel was a highlight in the game. Obviously, keep the physics engine, but get rid of the shrines for secret caves and the like containing a piece of heart.

The phrase "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle," comes to mind with BotW. Some tweaks could make it a lot more satisfying, in my opinion.

I think what sucks is there are certain villains that have a lot of potential but the execution of their story was botched, I'd say that's Ardyn in a nutshell. He could've been a top tier villain, but the way XV turned out didn't allow for that to really shine through much.

A lot of things in XV are like that though, it's painful seeing that as a fan, what could've been.

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I legitimately believe that modern Square can't make anything nearly as good as any of the first 10 FFs, and would only fuck up a remake. Not only that, there would be horrid glitches and stuff that they'd never bother to patch, like the Secret of Mana remake.

I think that's probably a fair way to describe Ardyn. I'm not a huge nintendo fanboy, but that quote one nintendo exec said really applies to FFXV, where he said it was better to release a game late and good than early and bad.

Ardyn was a good character, he deserved a better game.

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Expand on Episode Ardyn by giving the best boy his own game based on his past.

I don't want to write a long ass post detailing every encounter you have with Ardyn again.
The fact that he helps our heros out of sticky situations already contribute to not making then stronger because they don't have to overcome with their own wits.
But the worst of the worst offender what when you get back your car from the base Ravus shows up to fuck your shit up, Gladios gets shoved, Noctis is pissed, shit's going DOWN.
Ravus is a better combatant, he's your brother in law, he's family yet he works for the enemy, you can feel the dramatic tension rising, battle of blood, their wills clashing as they both love and want to protect the same person.
But no, ARDYN shows up and literally hand waves Ravus away and Ravus LEAVES. He came here to dispels all the the tension and sets the gang on their merry way, nothing to see here. At that moment Ardyn was more than a villain in a story he was a giant finger dressing itself out of the screen and right in my face. Fuck you too Ardyn.

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are you telling me Noctis is even MORE of a fucking spoiled bitch faggot after all?

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Even Verum Rex won't make up for what could have been.

>bought the game the week of release

I don't think I've ever regretted buying a game like I did with this.

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That last bit you say is what depresses me the most. In the end, Square Enix isnt gonna learn a thing from this.

Rather than learn on what WORKED on XV and yes, I do believe XV had a lot of good points that shouldn't be forgotten, they'll double down on what they think was the reason they failed.

We already see that in them saying the next big project will double down in the season passes and extra bullshit. And already FF7 remake seems to be in a mess of a development.

Hyrule Castle was the most extensively designed part of the game, I have the art book and it's insane the amount of detail they put into that dungeon. If they applied that kind of design to the entirety of the next game I think it'd feel a lot fresher and differentiate itself from BotW.

Because whether you liked or didn't like BotW all that much, I'm pretty sure we all agree that we don't want the exact same game all over again.

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Why? They'd just fuck that up, too.

>At that moment Ardyn was more than a villain in a story
How can you call him a villain when all he does was the will of the gods?

Who the fuck is Somnus? Ardyn's brother?

Yeah. And that's why I have no interest in SE's first party stuff being purchased at full price. All their good stuff is only published by Square, but developed by others. In my opinion, Squares dev team has become devoid of any talent (unless their online stuff is good, but I have no interest in finding out). It breaks my heart, but that's what it is, and as long as I keep giving them chances, they aren't going to learn. I have to close my wallet for them to get better.

Because they were only partway through development when they decided to axe all the DLCs.

Yes

Oh yeah. If they get rid of the shrines (which even the decor made it feel like it was separate from the main game), and plopped in 8 dungeons with the greatness of Hyrule Castle in BotW, I'd be a lot happier.

I also pray that they increase weapon durability. Stuff doesn't need to last forever, but I'd appreciate it if weapons weren't made of glass, too.

There's never been official art of 2013 Stella that goes that low and shows her collar, right?

I always thought that the only official art of 2013 Stella was from the end of the trailer, and it doesn't go that low in the trailer.

I think Episode Ardyn was supposed to have a playable chapter set in the past like in the anime prologue.

noctis should have married sarah

I get that it's a survival game in part but the weapon durability really sucked the fun out of combat.

Honestly think the game would've been improved if the Divine Beast dungeons were replaced with legit dungeons around the same size as Hyrule Castle or slightly smaller, that's already 5 right there. Then have like 3-4 others scattered around the map for you to find as maybe post-game content that isn't required to beat the story. You could maybe keep the shrines too but I'd say keep them down to like 50 as like a side thing to complement the big dungeons.

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i can't believe this is how all those years of knowing about this game ends

Regardless that's his role in the story. Characters have roles like in a play and you're watching the play.
When a character goes "fuck the play i'm doing my own thing because the writer is on my side" that's where we have a problem.

for the love of everything that is sacred do NOT keep going.
the worst part about not doing something is finding out it would be better

noctis should have married sarah and had her stay as a permanent guest

I'd be ok with that in the next game. But I'd also like them to fit the theme of the overworld a little better, instead of weird technological cysts in the ground.

why do they try so hard to make us give a shit about noctis/luna, and yet not bother to give them actual screentime together?

Weapon durability continues to makes me ponder.

While I agree it was annoying at many times I cant really come up with an alternative idea in which to encourage the level of exploration it forced you on.

The world was massive so stuff had to be spread all over. If weapon durability wasn't a thing a lot of places wouldn't have been encouraged to explore .

What would you think could be a suitable replacement? Legit curiosity

do they explain why regis doesn't recognize ardyn

Noct would have been better if he wasn't such an autistic little bitch.

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I think they just need a way to repair weapons so it's less tedious later on
also fuck korok seeds for inventory upgrades

I avoided a lot of places once I started getting decent weapons. The odds of finding something better than the Black Swords you find in Hyrule Castle in an enemy camp is effectively zero.

That's false.

Great, it's finally over. So, the only big revealed project aside from KH DLC is FF7R. I can't wait for E3

>somnus is a little bitch who won
ok then

>expecting anything good from SE
user, I would like to have your optimism.

I bet they don't release VIIR until 2022, for the 25th anniversary.

doesn't this make the ending of xv a lot less legitimate if bahamut gets away with his bullshit

There’s still the XV event in XIV, but honestly, who cares? It’s just cosmetic shit.

I’m honestly so ready for SE to pretend this dumb game never existed.

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Because Noctis is a fucking overly-possessive creep whenever he talks about her. There's no way he could be with her without it being incredibly awkward.

what happens if ardyn resists his fate in that final choice

>Even in the 2 year anniversary image they made, Noct hover hands.
At least SE is consistent.

literally nothing changes except his girlfriend comes to stab him a few times

I don't know what you were expecting
It's FFXV, it was a bad game to begin with

its still funny how much they lean into versus xiii imagery even now, down to the somnus theme

why is it that this old concept for the game has a better relationship for noctis than the actual game

from her special attacks she seems like a monk
>no adult demon slayer iris who punches the shit out of monsters
fucking hell

Why not? Why not make it as fucking awkward and weird as possible? It's the cherry on the shit sundae that is FFXV

This is my husband and Son
Galdio and Radical kid
Say something nice
Tbh the only people I like including Cor and Ardyn. I got memed and bought this game early near release nand bought the DLC pass, I never got so jewed out of my money in my life

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is there anything as bizarrely meaningless as the world of ruin timeskip XV does? what were they thinking? one car ride and a gas station?

ito

more like he's a total pawn of the gods to be thrown to death and has no idea what's actually going on

No real reason for the Gas Station to still be up and running, either.

They could have told him, but he would be so focused on his perfect waifu that he wouldn't have even listened.

>Octopath
>Bravely
>FFXVI
>TWEWY 2
>Seiken Densetsu
>Nier

If 2 of them are announced to be released in 2020 it would be worth already

What a bro Prompto is.

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>ardyn dlc expands his hinted at tragic backstory into this whole thing where somnus and bahamut are utter assholes
>aranea dlc would be her saving luna's reincarnation?
>luna dlc is her doing shit in her new body?
>noctis dlc is him realizing what a bitch bahamut was and that ardyn did nothing wrong, leading to him creating a happy ending for everyone
Were they trying to make a sequel for XV with this DLC? Did even any of the old expansion packs go this far with how much they add and change the main game's story? And then they're slotting it in for a novel? wow

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Watching this xv stream is like being at a wake, jesus christ. Everyone knows it's dead and it's incredibly awkward

why didn't they do a comfy romance like how they did the bromances?

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maybe i would have actually felt sad seeing luna die

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>How do you fuck up this badly? Why is everything released for this game always so terrible?
what did you expect?
Game's eh and the DLC got scrapped part way through for all of them, I'd expect Ardyn's to be affected regardless

>you don't control the vehicle
That's retarded. Shit game.

>Galdin Quay
>fight some goblins
>see more mister
>too strong
>die
>try again, same results
>just run cause monsters too powerful
>hitch ride to Hammerhead
>time to go to Insomnia
>monster too powerful there too

If I only knew it would get worse.

Luna and Noctis had little to no romantic chemistry. No wonder I keep seeing porn of the bros railing each other but no luna and noctis comfy porn

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That's not what people said in the first year after the release of the game. Shitstorms were curiously only before and after that courtesy of Conanposting.

>Nomura literally created it as a counterpoint to the direction of XIII
That's not what he said at all
>Tetsuya Nomura: In Versus XIII we want to elaborate more on the world and the human side of the characters, their way of thinking and how and why they behave like they do. This might take the game conception to a darker level than the other games in the FF series. Because of this, it has to be more realistic, but Versus is not an antithesis – I don’t want to simply go in the opposite direction to XIII. That’s absolutely not something I’m willing to do.
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At least they let you avoid the strong monsters by going into the subway, which is still lit for some reason.

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Nigga what a novel?

I don't think anyone but Noct gave a shit that his future property died. It was like a 2 year old having their toy taken away, only extended for hours via our perspective, and weeks in the game. Meanwhile, he shrugged off his father's death in like 3 minutes.

The entire point of XV is that Noctis gets tangled into something way bigger than him and that he had no part of until that moment. He is clueless about the bigger picture until the very end, his sacrifice can be seen also as atonement for the actions of Somnus.

They're throwing all the scrapped dlc ideas into one final novel.

they're releasing a novel as their way of giving us the stories of the canceled DLC, its coming with some collector's edition i think. its going to be so silly

So? He's still a shit character. Squall and Tidus had the same shit happen, but (ironically) never turned into a little bitch for hours on end.

>Clearly different filenames
Barry I know you're retarded and this is a new low for you

Squall was a little bitch to begin with: he spends the first half of VIII about moping and whining about being forgotten, and the latter half about moping and whining about wanting to get laid with Rinoa.

>Gods of FFXV are some pagan-tier assholes, if not even worse than some of the greek ones
Only thing I liked narratively about FFXV

>How do you fuck up this badly? Why is everything released for this game always so terrible?

SE can't make fun games literally.

>the only new content is the Regis fight and the final boss fight against Somnus
Huh? The location is new you retard

He spends a single scene moping about being forgotten. He leaves the room after learning Seifer was killed, and that's the end of it. I could hold my breath through that scene.

The second half was his primary motivation for everything that happens. I never got the vibe that he was bitching, just desperate to do something productive for her.

Am I the only one who really liked this game? I just don't get the hate. Overhyped I guess. That many years for a new FF game makes expectations impossible to meet, then it was to different from the old games for purists to like. But still It was a great game, and it is bizarre to see even the normans agree with Yea Forums on this one.

HE IS HERE

HE IS QUEER

How long is it?

Noctis is just a faggot lets be honest, hed rather fuck Prompto. I mean all of them are faggots maybe except for Gladio.

1:30
ten bucks

what a ripoff

I think it depends on what version you played.

Did you really expect this to be something?

Really?

Windows edition obviously. Do I look like an impatient fucking peasant?

Luna got the best blender and sfm tho, im surprised too.

>I played the version with a bunch of updates and more content
>gee I can't understand why people hated this game?
sure is a mystery

Most people like it, it's pretty good with the DLC. Yea Forums is being autistic as usual.
>inb4muhcombat
I just played 6 and combat was me hitting special attacks as often as I could. This is a game you retards supposedly love.

>geee of course people like the updated version
>says man in a thread shitting on the latest update
Hm

So what was the Bahamut goal in the end? I still don't get it.

>young Regis look like the one from the old FF15 trailer
kino.

>I don't get why people didn't like the game, wait you're saying people played the game at launch?
>no u
Yikes

Well, there's your answer. You think you would you like the game the same if you take all the extra stuff away?

Well it is their fault for only playing the unfinished version then IDK senpai.
I really liked the combat, I think it was the best in FF, which as you point out doesn't really mean much. Going from SMT, playing turned based FF can be really painful. But going from Monster Hunter, FFXV can still feel incredibly fun.

The fact that game sold so well should tell you already that isn't true. Haters are just vocal minority who foolishly believe they represent everyone.

the writing in that prologue short was so contrived. ardyn has no depth, he’s just a good boi who dindu nuffin

This isn't a thread about the state of the game at launch. You playing the game at launch doesn't justify you shitting on the current game now ITT.

Probably yeah, maybe not as much but it would still be pretty fun. There was a lot of other stuff I liked, and even the revised ending wasnt amazing.
Also correct me if I am wrong, but this thread is about Episode Ardyn which isn't even out yet, and Squenix cancelled all the other DLC. Or did I go into a time machine and no one here or anywhere in the world or internet has had a chance to play windows edition but me?

>Well it is their fault
>Is the company at fault for releasing a mess
>No, it's consumer who is wrong
what

any link for the vs Somnus and Vs regi ost?

>game was bad three years ago so I will whine about it now
Okay, but why? What the fuck does anyone care if it was good three years ago

>recycled content for FFXV
Wow user how could this be? Just because everything is recycled in the game since it came out I didn't expect they do the same with the last trash dlc!

I don't think people who bought the game thought they were going to hate it.

It is their fault for buying it on console when it was coming to PC. Especially when the director even hyped (albeit overhyped) the PC version as being a totally different way better game. It is their fault for not giving it another chance when more content roled out, and it is their fault for discussing it ITT, and all over the internet, if they have not even played it. Sure it is Squenix's fault for releasing the game before it was finished. But the Steam version is all that is relevant IMO.

>Final Fantasy XV is mediocre.
Who knew?! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What the fuck?
Also a collector edition for this game, in 2019? Uhhh ok

Not everyone thought it was good 3 years ago.

I played the game a couple months ago. It's still pretty bad.
Among the problems they never fixed, the item system breaks the game and takes away any sense of difficulty when you can just buy your way to victory by having a large amount of items in your inventory.
They never even added a higher difficulty mode and level 1 runs barely make the game any more difficult

And why do I care now? Imagine if FF14 threads were full of people who played the game at launch and are complaining about launch problems in current. Will you retards ever shut up, nobody cares except for you.

>item system breaks the game and takes away any sense of difficulty when you can just buy your way to victory by having a large amount of items in your inventory
Name one mainline FF game where you can't buy your way to victory by having a large amount of items in your inventory

If you don't care, then ignore it.

They have some fucking MCU bullshit Avengers game coming out

Newsflash kiddo, this is an arpg. Not turn-based combat.
Letting you heal yourself or revive your party with 99 items whenever you want breaks the game.
Other square enix arpgs figured this out decades ago by limiting the amount you can take in battle

Yeah Flushing out the story with the DLC and then giving us XV-2 would have been dope as fuck. Sad it didn't happen. But if the best selling FF of all time, still makes them scrap the plans, I have to wonder what the fuck metric they were looking for?

VII and X sold better

>Among the problems they never fixed, the item system breaks the game and takes away any sense of difficulty when you can just buy your way to victory by having a large amount of items in your inventory.
They never even added a higher difficulty mode and level 1 runs barely make the game any more difficult
Despite loving the game to death. I have to admit this is a serious flaw. I mean every other FF suffers this if not worse, since it is dumb grinding and terrible/boring combat. But I still think the ridiculous ease of potting was insane. I think they wanted like a MH system, but in MH you cant warp to safety, you have to pot in battle and it takes a long time, plus the phoenix down option when you die in battle is a fucking joke, I get they need phoenix downs for nostalgia reasons, but the game is not balanced for it. Would have loved a hardmode, especially if it then made gathering food and eating meals important.

if you have items in your inventory you won’t get a game over unless you choose to ignore the button prompts during low health. it’s not at all comparable to other games where some fights could potentially KO your entire party without the player being strategic

Trying to bring back Etro after Tabata retconned her.

when was this confirmed?

It seems like Nomura still has Versus burning in his heart.

From khunion:
"There’s an unexplored project I’ve got burning up inside me and there might be some overlap, but Verum Rex is a totally different thing and no one knows what is in store with that. Verum Rex doesn’t exist yet so all I can say is “it’s something different “.#kh3ultimania"

"The “unexplored project” that has overlap with Verum Rex is Versus."

For the longest time I never healed myself. I just crawled on the floor, waited for my teammates to heal me and then went back to fighting. You can crawl around for a long ass time without dying.

SE is known to have unrealistic expectations with all of its games.

pretty much. when there are no stakes gameplay becomes very unengaging

Yeah, in the age and time where you can watch a full gameplay on YouTube and decided for yourself if you like or not totally prove how true your statement is. Give me a break, facts speak louder than your hate and has managed to establish a fanbase who could care less about what the like of you think.

Remember when Ardyn was in fucking AC origin? youtube.com/watch?v=LfAEuKQXYV4

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Windows people have to pay for it?

Hopefully a credible leaker confirms this I really want Versus back

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It's never going to happen. Move on already.

I still don't understand why people got so attached to it despite being nothing but concepts.

You can buy a game and still find out you hate it.

Anyone who played any amount of FFXV could have told you this would suck.

This game makes me really sad, it had some great stuff such as :

>Top notch music
>Character design ranging from great to amazing (they should have had a dressing system a la Resonance of Fate)
>Great story pitch with potential to be first class feel material
>More than decent assets, interesting world and lore
>Endearing characters that could have been much more
>Many great ideas sprinkled here and there (road trip feel with the bros, warp-strikes are a cool concept, final campfire ...)
>Cool dungeons

It could have been one of the best games in the medium if not for:
>Shallow Combat sucks and doesn't know what it wants to be, monsters don't even telegraph their attacks. They should have gotten actually competent people for that.
>Empty open world
>Generic quests that rarely have worthwhile dialogue. Nier also had Fedex quests but always made it worthwhile with kino character interactions.
>Extremely undercooked story with a messy structure and very questionable story-telling choices. Leaves you longing for more and hurting at what it could have been.
>Unused characters and assets, shitty boss fights, shameful world-building
>No balance or challenge, broken potion system
>Not enough cutscenes
>Not understanding what fans wanted after launching an incomplete game.
>Cancelling DLC and Mod tools

I can't think of any other waste of potential that's even remotely as disappointing as this game except for MGS 5.

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every platform had to pay for it

>except for MGS 5.
I wonder if nomura and kojima still hang out

Yes, but that not what happened with XV. You can stay in denial all you want, but it's clear to anyone with eyes and not full of hatred that the game succeeded in creating a huge fanbase.

Unlike you, I actually played the game and I definitely think it's great.

We never know if it's never going to happen, and I hope to see it come to fruition. Those concepts were amazing.

Jesus christ that promo art is gay as fuck

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All I'm saying is that not everyone who bought the game liked it.

There is no redeeming FFXV, it was doomed as soon as they changed Nomura's vision.

On the plus side FFVII releases for the Switch today.

>his actions in the movie and perfectly in line with his motives given in the game and ep ignis
this sentence encompass everything that's wrong with XV

You actually expected something good from something FFXV related?

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>All I'm saying is that not everyone who bought the game liked it.

this. I bought FFXV, beat it, and didn't like it to the point that I never bought any DLCs for it.

>Last stream is over
>xv is officially dead for good with ep ardyn out and the final novel next month
this decade+ long odyssey is finally over
good riddance

What the hell are you idiots even talking about? When was Noctis ever creepy or possessive? If anything, he's shy and innocent.

Literally the only thing I looked forward
I will never ever get more content of my beautiful green (grey) eyed wife.
Shit's gay.

MGSV was still a decent and fun game, all things considered

Nigga you supply power to the entire region in comrades so it does make sense for it to be up and running.

About fucking time, let's hope they get their shit together for XVI. they won't

So Nomura is re-using Versus 11 assets and making this right?

That whole thing in KH3 was way too much for it to NOT be a game they are working on.

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If fucking only

As someone who really loved this game, I'm seriously disappointed with this. Why villains can't be just villians without making them victims and blaming everyone for their mistakes?

Verum Rex will probably use new assets

Final Fantasy Versus XV will reuse all of XV's assets to recreate the Versus vision.

All speculation nothing confirmed yet.

it's just going to be a part of the next KH game. People are reading too much into this.

What a fucking retarded fedora tier faggot, I can't believe this guy hasn't gotten publicly lynched by now.

and there's the secret movie. the madman is going to do it, believe it.

The hell is wrong with you? Did you even play the game?

He said in a interview the ideas would carry over into KH and that the Shibuya wasn't the exact Shibuya Neku and friends are from which is why it has random text instead of japanese but one apart of Verum Rex based on it, so it's confirmed Versus is merging into KH but TWEWY will be a cameo at best not a tie in like some people thought

I agree with you. I seriously hate this trend.

Why can't a villain just be an evil bad dude without a sob story?

Hopefully a SE leaker clarifies on
1. What is Verum Rex
2. Is the original Versus story coming back?
3. Is Square aware of the demand for Versus?

Actually for Verum Rex he said that Versus ideas will overlap but not be the same.
Verum Rex isn't Versus but takes some ideas from it.

>Is Square aware of the demand for Versus?
They see them for what they are. A foolish vocal minority who got attached to a freaking idea.

What the fuck is that?

I don't know about that because a lot of people seem to like the idea and want what could have been.

Even if it's a vocal minority demanding it's still pretty big, and it's just over the idea of it. They might seen a profit there.

She was special kind of retard class.

Blame the fans who demand evey villain should be secretly a hero.

XV has a lot of assets to make Versus and it would cost a lot less than making a new game like FFX-3, or KH4.

Episode Ardyn assets would be enough to recreate the Insomnia Invasion
The rest of the DLC can recreate maybe part 1 of Versus and part 3 of Versus.

Part 2 Might need to create new assets if they want to use Tenebrae, and Niflheim.

There's absolutely no good reason for Versus. If it was a good concept that could have worked, they would have done it a long time ago already instead of been put in hold for 10 years and then got changed to XV.

Yeah the theme of FFXV is that Noctis has absolutely nothing to do with anything. He'd ushered around between story events by his friends. Absolutely nothing in FFXV happens because of Noctis, he's simply reacting to things as they happen. The last time I saw a main character with so little agency was a fucking documentary about Terri Schiavo.

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Or, you know, every single Dark Souls game.

You can have a good concept for something and still not do it because of perceived profitability.

It's possible they were afraid of a new mainline after XIII being a trilogy.
They probably didn't have the time nor resources to tell the Versus story given the stipulations XV had to be out by 2016.

The team also had to work on an engine as well so they probably didn't have the time nor resources to tell the Versus story properly or in one game so they didn't do it.

Noctis' story is about coming of age and accepting his role as a king. At the beginning of the story he was doing his duty only out of obligations. As the story progress, it becomes something he willing and want to do and walked tall as his father told him which is why he was chosen as the true king.

Episode Ardyn of course shat all over this just to woobify Ardyn and made Noct with absolutely no agency.

>he's simply reacting to things as they happen
So, like any protagonist in any game.

Guys how do I enjoy FFXV?

>There's absolutely no good reason for Versus
Have someone other than Tabata direct it. There's your concept.

I don’t understand his “nobody remembers that” comment since even the people I know who were indifferent to XV still remember Stand By Me at the credits and tearing up at it. That bookend bit was really well done.

It could work, XV has a massive amount of potential yet the finished product squandered most of it. So much story content, character backstory and involvement, and even gameplay mechanics are either missing or horribly underused.

>Most characters shafted on screentime, Luna transformed from second most important character in the game to half assed love interest that gets 3 lines, Ravus does everything offscreen, Prompto has his entire backstory cut in an awkward manner, etc etc
>Combat half cooked, mechanics teased to us in comrades (magic system, weapon ugprading)
>Enormous chunks gone from the story like the Empire as a whole disappearing, Insomnia invasion moved to a movie, as noted above the character arcs/backstories, massive plot points like the gods and starscourge nearly forgotten

There is enough content left on the cutting room floor to flesh out at least 2, possibly 3 full sized games, if literally anyone other than Tabata was given a green light they could make something amazing out of it. The thing that pisses so many people off about XV is that it SHOULD have been amazing, you can see all the great content and ideas, but then the majority of it isn't present in the final product.

I have no idea of SE would ever do it but hell, give Nomura his baby back and let him fix it.

So basically Arryn is if Jesus wanted revenge on those who crucified him?

I'm not really fond of games taking existing music and re-using it but in the moment I thought it worked well. While the majority of XV is a disappointment the ending itself is fucking phenomenal. I full on cried during the credits but that was more about the scenes showed and the pictures, not really stand by me. It's just a shame the game leading up to the ending wasn't able to deliver.

Treat it for it's supposed to be. A fanservice dlc made for the fans of Ardyn that has no bearing on the main storyline. Royal edition is the finshed version of the game. Everything else is just an unnecessary extra.

>still delusionally believe Namura some kind of savior despite his record
I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm.

What record? he manages to dream up some fantastical stories and games and puts them together, what's wrong? Are you one of those people who thinks he failed with XV and had to be removed? He was pulled off the project for only one reason, time. SE higher ups wanted him to work on KH3 and 7R and couldn't wait for him to finish his Versus 3 game project.

The man has vision and knows how to make something amazing, I'd much prefer seeing him go back and fix what Tabata and gang twisted XV into. Clearly he cares about the project still and that's what you need, someone who is passionate about what they are doing.

Plus getting dicked over hard by God, but sure close enough.

Actually I bought the Royal Edition because it was cheap. I had always been an FF fan so I thought: why the hell not it can't be THAT bad.

Basically I bought it because it was a Final Fantasy game. I went in completely blind. I made a mistake. It was shit. It was my mistake and I must own up to it.

We were all saying it was a bad game when it came out. Don't try and pull your revisionist history crap.

Cool story, bro.

If I got one dollar everytime someone make up a story about how they bought a game and then get traumatized by how "bad" it's, I would have been a very rich guy.

Hopefully an actual leaker confirms that Versus XV is real and that Nomura's vision is coming back. I need it.

It's amazing that even with the entire Empire side of the story gutted from the game he still manages to be a great character and play his role appropriately without the facade he was supposed to be working with.

It's painful to see how many other potentially good characters were in the game too yet ultimately had far too much of their content cut. Luna is the biggest but Ravus is potentially the most intriguing character in the story yet has nearly everything related to him cut from the game.

I'd love it, I wont hold my breath but you never know. The Verum Rex trailer was fucking crazy but then for it to show up in the KH3 secret ending means that whatever it is, it IS something, at the very least it's a world/part of KH4 while potentially being a full game(versus?).

Can't wait to see.

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You people have been the revisionists, pretending it was always shit when there was a clear period of time were people enjoyed the game. After launch, Conanposting died completely and it was only way later down the line when people started throwing shit again, with the new of Tabata being fired as the perfect excuse to pretend XV was never good.

@455982384
What the fuck.
Is this shit seriously happening?

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Lucis in the bottom right there looks a lot like Canada.

Actually it was a cautionary tale. I have been gaming for a long time, absolutely despise gamer culture and thought I would never fall to hype and marketing.
This fucking industry gets to you even when you think you're strong enough to resist. The atrocity Final Fantasy 15 must never be forgotten.

>ctrl + f barry
>13/13
I love you Barry!

Why didn't they just make the dissidia 012 team make ffxv?

I always got the impression that galdin quay was somewhere else, like an actual resort/tropical part of the map, and they ran out of dev time and copy pasted just the restaurant to it's final location. What a fucking weird spot that was.

Ok

I knew XV was a bad game but still bought it for a blind playthrough on PC, don't regret it. Sure it's bad but there are still some interesting things to take out of the experience and I'm glad I did it. It will however haunt me till the end of time that it turned out the way it did, it should have been the game to surpass FF7.

Question

If you own Royal Edition, you can't download the multiplayer anymore?

I don't know much about this particular shitposter but should I take this to mean he has reached the stage where he is so easily recognizable he has to attempt to frame all insults to him as being from a single, new boogeyman of his own fantasizing, in an attempt to seed doubt that posts obviously belonging to him really are his own?

4706 days later and I'm still mad

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For the last piece of content for the game this is pretty anti-climactic, they'd have been better off cancelling this DLC as well.

>waited this long for a good FF
>it never came
and it never will

I am one of those that didn't care about the Luna and Noctis DLCs since they were both alt-ending shit where everyone lives happily everafter and Noctis and Ardyn team up to kill the petty gods and fix shit their own way and it just came off as massive fanservice wank, but I am absolutely fucking livid about Aranea DLC being cancelled since that one wasn't related to alt-ending shit and was going to show what happened in Gralea just before you arrive in Tenebrae in Chapter 12.
I wanted to explore Gralea and see it just before it went to utter post-apocalyptic shit and AraAra being the MC was going to be a cherry on top.
FUCK I WILL NEVER NOT BE MAD

>>aranea dlc would be her saving luna's reincarnation
Nah, her DLC is just about her, Biggs and Wedge escaping from Gralea as it falls apart from daemons.
AND IT'S FUCKING CANCELLED I MAD

>Insomnia
>New
They literally had it all done for Versus and already used it in Chapter 14 of Royal Edition, just with an apocalyptic touch.
But they were sitting on pre-destruction Insomnia since Day fucking 1.

my.mixtape.moe/ggolhu.mp3

>4706 days
This can't be real

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Wait so why didn't Ardyn just sacrifice himself to cure the space aids like Noctis did instead of sucking it into himself and becoming tainted so the crystal rejects him?

And why was Somnus such an asshole?

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So was it really shit? The trailer at the end of the anime made it look okay.

Since the first Versus XIII trailer

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More like revenge on God for fucking him over and not just traitor Judas.

I would have loved for it to be part of XIII even though I wasn't a big fan of the trilogy in the end. Fuck.

>the massive ammount of people working at FFXV still had a lot of talent and experience.
It sure as hell doesn't show. This looks like what someone's first game would be if they three infinite money at it.

It just felt like a dark FF set in a realistic urban city, the trailers hinted at death, reality and tragedy.
We ended up with a roadtrip of bros, with a couple of cities that don't have any depth, most of the world is monster hunter, story that you have to seal the holes yourself and that happens offscreen, and just a narrative that goes all over the place but never goes nowhere (yeah, they killed your father, go fetch swords, no lol better go get astrals, no better go get the christal, no better go marry, no better just keep fucking around till you reach ardyn that they pull a story out of their asses).
I just wanted an edgy dark urban scape to murder shit around (also it was kino as fuck).

Because you need to suck the gods themselves and even the Crystal into the Ring of Lucis to do that.
Ardyn had neither the Ring (it didn't exist yet) and the Crystal rejected him because Ardyn gave in to the daemonification from butthurt over what Somnus did.
Note how the gods had literally no problems with Ardyn sucking the Space Aids into himself before, they rejected him because he gave into it.
The second Ardyn gave in to the taint is the second he lost everything.
I wager the gods and Crystal would still choose him over Somnus had he not given in.

Verum rex is the equivalent of throwing a tantrum and breaking your older toys so you get a new one.
I know Nomura is mad at not getting to make 13vs, but just going nuclear in KH3 and going "THIS IS MY NEW FF NOW" is just petty

>bad soundtrack
X

>low resolution banners for the Niflheim Lucis treaty are hanging on some of the buildings in old Insomnia
How did they miss that?

By rushing the DLC.
It was going to be longer and the section in the past was supposed to be playable and not relegated to a 10 minute anime.
Ardyn DLC is very visibly much lower effort and budget than the previous DLCs and is also much less polished, very clearly because it's basically rushed out the door in half-finished state simply because they stopped all development.

I'm so torn.
I want Versus but I love the story of XV but I hate how it was told but I love the characters but I want it to be executed better but I don't want them to change some of the best parts of XV but they'd probably have to..
Fuck.

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>we didn't want to create a comprehensible and perfectly balanced story in this game.
The fact that this is a quote straight from Tabata in an interview a few months after the game launched will never not be funny to me.
>it was intentionally shitty guys, all so you could buy the DLC to fill the gaps
No wonder he got fired.

To be fair anyone else would give into the rage of being ultra cucked like that. The only thing worse Somnus could've done is fuck Aera in front of him.

What do you like about it ? It's just contrived shit and pulling shit out of their asses all the time with no direction at all.
You have to go into conspiracy mode and hold to straws to make it a cohesive story.

Nomura is untouchable in SE and we are fucked.

I actually completely understand where he was coming from with that, and I believe it was the intention with Versus that he tried to carry over, but it just DID NOT jive with the restraints that come with making a mainline FF rather than the spin-off versus was going to be (hence more liberties, see Tabata's quote on toning down the death imagery for overseas markets.)
I'm absolutely colored by the fact that I had followed Versus since 2008, but the interaction between the main characters was just so comfy and when you build that and tear it away later in the game, it just really resonated with me and it was apparent that's where most of the focus went.

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If he's untouchable why can't he just make Versus proper. It's obvious that he wants to (or maybe Verum Rex is a red-herring/foot in the door for making Versus happen.)

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>this game is bad because i can't lift off correctly and have the eyes of a toddler
ok

>lives in Japan studying music.
>Japan, with how expensive it is to live there
>studying music of all things
What a madman.

Oh I don't blame Ardyn for breaking in that moment, I think the entire point is that the degree of betrayal was great that even a literal SAINT like Ardyn just broke apart from it.
But seriously fuck greek gods.

He said
>“It was for the players to experience the story through Noctis’ eyes”
But we got multiple instances of different PoVs, and then added more cutscenes in that patch tat, again, are from different PoVs, so I can only chalk it up as a corporate businessman's lie.

You mean fuck Bahamut.

So you don't like the story, you like the writing that the group had.
I also thought it was shit:
>noctis literally doing stuff that was supposed to do
Gladio: Man up!
Prompto: Poor noctis, let's cheer up.
Ignis. let's think about this for a while.
All the important character interactions are basically this in different contexts (except throwing that Promto was a clone for the sake of it, to give him more depth or something).

All the gods with the exception of ARGUABLY Ifrit and Shiva were completely insane cunts.
Ramuh was the one that entombed Ardyn in case you don't remember and stood by as guard to make sure he never escapes.
Ifrit was literally Prometheus pro-humanist before humanity basically got uppity and tried to take him down so he's justified in getting mad at humans.
Shiva had a giant murderboner and took pleasure in killing humans for fun before Ifrit dicked the hate out of her.
Leviathan is a literal TWISTED FUCKING PSYCHOPATH.
Titan kills humans for fun just to see if they can prove themselves to him by beating him.
And Bahamut is literally a serial killer AND mass murderer KEIKAKU DOORI twisted psycho.

so like the greek gods

That's what I said, and you corrected me saying only Bahamut was fucked up.
All of them are varying degrees of sociopaths and psychopaths.