DS = BB > Sekiro > DeS > DS3 >>>>>>>> DS2

It's the most influential game of the past 15 years.

except that's demons souls, you retard

That's like saying Elvis wasn't that influential because he didn't invent rock n roll

A game being a bit more popular doesn't mean it influences more than the original, you retard.

Actually the popularity of the original Dark Souls is why it's more influential. Developers and gamers saw it and wanted more combat and difficulty like it. That's why "dark souls like combat" is a meme now

>still think Demons' Souls has the best soundtrack and atmosphere
>still think DaS 1 has the best sense of adventure

ever since Artorias of the Abyss they have focused entirely on cramming as many flashy boss ights into their games as possible, feels bad man. Maybe they will return to the more down-to-earth formula one day.

Nobody played DeS unfortunately

>faggot confirmed

except it's not dumbfuck

God the DS2 hate boner is so fucking cringe. Imagine actually thinking DS2's story isn't the best story of the soulsborne games. Tanimura blew Miyazaki away because Miyazaki is a hack fraud. Vendrick and the old kings is infinitely more interesting than gwyn and the first flame

I really, really wish we could get the original lighting system back. Made a huge difference.

This. Literally this. I will concede to basically any complaints people have about DS2, the graphics are ugly, the world design is shit, the mechanics are wonky, etc. But the story and lore established FUCKING BLOW AWAY DS1. Even Artorias is a little fucking faggot compared to the Ivory King, Raime, or Alonne.

No. By "influencual" video games we're talking about developers copying the idea. They only need the first game for that, popularity means fuck all since people who cared about video games played the original obviously.

Souls clones were already in development before Dark Souls was even announced.

Fucking zoomer millions played it.

Fuck you talking about, user. The popularity of Souls is what sparked the "souls like" combat.

>we want the combat to be like demon's souls
Said nobody, ever. It was always Dark Souls.

Nigger what are you talking about? DS2 singlehandedly ruined the story of the Souls series by inventing all the dumb bullshit about cycles. Aldia was patched in after the fans bitched about it because the entire narrative was just a premise for reusing themes and assets from the first game.

I have no qualms with this opinion.

This, most AAA developers copy games that are successful because it's a safer bet. No one wanted to copy DeS cause it was a niche game, but DaS had WAY more of a following and basically put From on the map in the West.

everyone overrates Dark Souls 1 just because it's old

Swap DS3 and DeS and you have my ranking basically.

DS1 is basically the definitive game and the open-ended nature of Lordran combined with the natural expansion of DeS concepts was what made it so good.

Attached: 1534967408983.jpg (628x1024, 117K)

>millions

hyperbole much? Bloodborne was lucky to break 3 million physical t's entire lifefspan.

Why did you rank Sekiro's boss and enemy design so low? It's the best out of all of them.

>2012
>old

Go away

That opinion is mainstream as fuck. Try this tasty opinion:
DS = BB = Sekiro = DeS = DS3 = DS2

Oh look, a useless thread full of meaningless ranking lists. What a great contribution to 4channel's Yea Forums board.

>20fpsborne not being rated dead last
Snoys are ruining this board

Not the guy but I can guess
Many of the enemy's attack animations have similar windups, which makes it hard to tell within a split-second how to deal with their attacks in some cases. Nothing too bad, just a little frustrating to die to something you didn't except because you thought the guy was going to do something else.

>get ps4 pro
>enable boost mode
>run bloodborne
>barely makes a god damn difference

Attached: ffffuuuuuck me.gif (219x150, 2.15M)

Only masturds put framerate above actual design. And that is also why those port begging cuckolds worship ds2, because it was the only game to run well on their toasters because of the ps2 tier graphics.

Attached: Dzt-wtmXgAAenZV.jpg (680x680, 69K)

Bloodborne = Sekiro > DS3 > DS > DS2 (I haven't played Demon Souls sorry)

>Story
Sekiro = BB > DS1 > DS3 > DS2
>Music
BB > DS1 > DS3 > Sekiro > DS2
>Gameplay
Sekiro = BB > DS3 > DS2 > DS1 >
>Enemy Design
BB = Sekiro > DS3 > DS1 > DS2
>Boss Design
Sekiro > BB > DS3 > DS1 > DS2

Would compromise with
Sekiro=BB= DaS
The others belong in a lower tier especially DS3 which really doesn't stand on it's own and is a much weaker reimagining of DaS.

I too like slideshows

Switch 2 and 3 and i'll agree.

Basically just imagine playing it without a guide or maps or anything like that. It's a VERY well-done 3D Metroidvania with a massive map and tons of rewarding secrets in an industry which until that point had failed to achieve that (i'm looking at you, metroid prime). Other games in the series were mostly just riding on its coattails.

BB>DaS3=Sekiro>DaS>DS>>>>>>>DS2:SOTFS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS2

I've yet to finish Sekiro so it's placement is pending, but that's where I have it for the time being

God awful taste.

Does Sekiro have the best "gamey" platforming with an actual human being and not a mascot character?

Attached: 1421292118889.gif (135x101, 206K)

des = bb >>>> dark souls shit
didn't play sekiro yet

The pattern I'm seeing indicates that From should never bother with numbered sequels.

Is Sekiro worth a pirate?

Sekiro > BB = DS3 > DS1 > DeS > DS2

>ywn have the feeling of playing DS1 a newbie ever again
I would I could erase my memory.

Yes, DEMONs Souls, not Dark Souls. Read my post retard.

Hurr

I cleared Ashina Castle and the Sunken Valley, and I'm up to the Main Hall in Senpou, and the last couple areas have been really lackluster for me
Ashina Castle was so big and open and cool that everything after feels really linear and ho hum
That and outside of boss fights the game's gotten really easy and enemy variety is near nonexistent
I'm still enjoying myself, but the game is starting to lose me, does it pick up again?

Please tell me that girl has a penis

>DS=BB
Yeah. The lack of content, build variation, and locking all the good content behind end-game really made BB into an amazing game. Oh let us not forget all the bugs and loading screens. Definitely From's peak

Sekiro>BB=DeS=first half of DaS>DaS3>second half of DaS>>>dogshit>>>DaS2

If your list has anything ranked lower than DaS2, your opinion is automatically invalid.

Sekiro has fuck all content and collectibles and shit music

its a 0/10 for me, just watch the other endings on youtube.

t.seething XBONE faggot

I just feel like people who like Bloodborne have to be braindead in order to put up with the sub-30 FPS. I bought a PS4 just to play Bloodborne but I couldn't stand it at all.

Are there this many animals on this board who play games like savages?

>B-Build variety!
Only retarded faggots who praise DaS2 for fashion souls and who suck at actually playing action games say this.

Why do we bother listening to PCocks who didn't play DeS when it came out? Nothing they say matters.

it's just some ugly thot he posts in every sekiro thread

It's the consolecucks. Most serious PC gamers were PS3 owners last gen.

a serious PC gamer doesn't own toys

DaS > SotFS = BB > DeS >> DaS3
DaS3 is at worst a 7 tho
haven't played dexfriends: the game yet

Attached: 17098157_1757640214552107_7614522587160442263_n.jpg (228x210, 8K)

>Mustard race
>Actually buying consoles so they can play games
Please don't pretend that the mustard race are idorts.

They did when they were young.

You're an idiot newfag who hasn't been here for over a decade.

Sounds good, though I haven’t played Sekiro

Try La Mulana.

I've been here well over a decade. Go back to the mustard race hive on Reddit. You probably haven't even been here longer than capcha.

True but the rest are absolute dogshit so it being mediocre puts it at the top

why do people rank DS3 so low? playing 3 for the first time and it's fucking great

I'd say that today, the OP posted the only true rating scale.

Why does everyone hate Dark Souls 2?

Sekiro is not a souls game, stop ranking it alongside them

DeS > BB > DS2 >>> DS >>>>>>>>>>> DS3

Attached: 1552804475801.jpg (888x894, 68K)

Then you would know most of Yea Forums was idort last gen and the most common system to have was a PS3. When the console gen was ending most people switched to PC.

La Mulana is the dark souls of sitting around scratching your head for an hour.

There are people who think that replayability at measured by how many builds you can make and how many game paths through the levels there are outweigh fundamental things like responsive controls, hitboxes and individual level design.

The variety only acts as a positive if you're so fucking terrible at video games that the fundamentally broken combat and controls don't bother you. If you can actually play video games, then you realize that the game is shit no matter how you play it, and while you can go on 5 different straight line paths through the game, the actual levels themselves are very poorly designed. Basically only retards who are complete shit at games think that quantity replaces the bare minimum of quality.

>Then you would know most of Yea Forums was idort last gen
You're a fucking retard and a complete newfag who doesn't remember 599 USD and all the wagalan memes. Most of Yea Forums was never idort, and pretending that the mustard totally were idorts back in the day just shows how full of shit you are. Stop pretending not to be new.

Something I often don't see people talk about in regards to DaS2 is just how bad it feels in general. Somehow they made walking feel awful and weightless.

People who (rightfully) shit on the game bring up the awful controls and input issues all the time. Again, people who are awful at games can't feel the difference, and as such won't talk about it.

That's literally one of the most talked about points lol, it feels like the game is set on the fucking moon.

That's closer to 15 years ago you moron. The vast majority of Yea Forums was idort for most of last-gen. If it wasn't PS3/Xbox it was PS2 before that.

Not really, just not an autistic and butthurt fanboi like you. It is retards like you who created the bad image ps4fags have today.

What are you even talking about idiot? Do you even read basic English? I said BB was by all means as good as DS1, not that it was the worst in the series. I still think DS2 is the worst

Attached: Faggot.jpg (956x1280, 73K)

we wouldn't have had dark souls if demon's souls didnt exist so fuck off

BB=Nioh>DaS2=DaS>DaS3

Only played DeS a little and haven't picked up Sekiro yet because I'm a poorfag.

BB is the most polished game with the best gameplay and bosses and some great level design.

DaS2 has alot of flaws in terms of it's overall level and enemy design, but gets too much shit, it has the best customisation and tonnes of replayability which really redeems it in my eyes. DaS has the best world design and some of the best bossfights, but it's second half is just as bad as some of the worst level/enemy design in the series, which brings it down to 2's level imo.

DaS3 is still good, but feels like a step back from the other games in terms of customisation and level design and honestly has some pretty shitty bosses too. Also the tried to adapt BB's faster pace and it doesn't really work that well. Heavy weapons are not as useful and character builds feel more restricted.

Perfect taste

*By all means not as good as DS1

Dark Souls 2 is the big brain Dark Souls game and that's why Yea Forums hates it

>Y-You're just too much of an oldafag!
Newfags really need to stop pretending to be oldags. It's pitifully easy to see through them and their attempts at rewriting history.

why do autistic people compare games that are not in the same series

Are you a retarded spic who doesn't know English? You argue like a retarded spic who doesn't know enjoy.

You're fucking sperging at this point, did you not see me mention the PS2? Autistic kids like you probably don't even remember when people on Yea Forums still used that system before they got newer ones.

I usually see people bitch about level design and hitboxes first, but you could start a list of DaS2 faults any number of angles.

Replayability means nothing if the game is fundamentally shit.

Why are DS2fags like this? Why can't they just be normal?

And the only people who praise 3 are boring white bread straightsword fags who hate interesting builds and playstyles

>Did you not see me pathetically try to backtrack after you actually brought up how Yea Forums was 10+ years ago which is the timeframe that I tried bringing up?
Yeah, I saw. That doesn't make you any less of a newfag who's trying to talk about how Yea Forums was even though you weren't here at the time. You clearly don't remember the old console wars because you only read about them as opposed to actually experiencing any of them.

Why are you acting like you're insane?

Why? Because of a typo? Guess that has never happened to you huh? Must be pretty cool. Guess you're right then, BB is as good as DS1, can't argue with a typography champ

Hey I still had fun throughout my 3-4 playthroughs.

>Look at how many classes are viable!
>They all play like complete shit, but I can dress up and give them different weapons!
This is why DaS2fags are subhuman.

DS2fags are beyond sad at this point

Why are you so angry at getting called out for lying about being on old Yea Forums?

You are a paranoid shitposter acting like you have a mental illness. What is wrong with you?

Because you sound like a dumb spic. Good to see you didn't deny it.

>an RPG with a focus on customisation shouldn't have a variety of interesting builds and playstyles

Whatever you say faggot.

This is actually some impressive backpedaling on your part to draw attention away from getting called out. Stop pretending you didn't blow in from reddit some time in the last 6 years, and keep your mustard race circlejerks there.

Take your meds.

>Fundamentally awful controls, hitboxes, level designs, and enemy attack patterns are fine in an action game if I can play dressup

It's okay, we're all anonymous. No one will remember how hard you fell on your face while playing pretend. You can have the last word if it makes you feel like you saved face.

>There are people who think that replayability at measured by how many builds you can make and how many game paths through the levels there are outweigh fundamental things like responsive controls, hitboxes and individual level design.
At first i thought you went full baka. But now I realize you are correct. Its essentially the same reason i play mmx games.

I'm not gonna argue that DaS2 isn't jank, but the level of customisation is a redeeming factor for alot of people. Why can't you understand this? SoTFS fixed most of the control issues.

Besides terrible level and enemy designs are in every souls game besides maybe BB. Lost Izalith in both 1&3 is just as bad as the worst parts of 2.

Because replaying it a million different ways doesn't matter if all of them have awful, unresponsive controls and piss poor level layout.

Maybe because I'm not? I just didn't think you'd be autistic enough to obsess this much over it to the point of even forgetting the original topic.

Attached: 1547701291603.gif (750x750, 359K)

snake eyes is such a awful boss fight. his grab move is one of the most poorly animated things I've seen in a game. it's just a spastic flailing of limbs that ends with a random explosion that takes off half your health it's so bad. please tell me he's optional i'll be more than happy to skip this retard and his area entirely.

Why is it that retards always start screaming about autism when people call them retards?

This
>I need HALP Wahhhhhh

You may think that, but really it's a matter of taste. People play different games for different reasons and DaS2 has it's fans because it offers interesting variety despite it's shortcomings.

Really every Souls game has atleast 1 fatal flaw so picking your favourite is a matter of taste. BB is my favourite because the gameplay is polished, the enemy/level design is some of the best in the series and the weapons and hunter tools offer alot of gameplay variety despite the lack of spells and weapons. DaS2 is a distant second, again because it has variety, but lacks that great level, enemy design and also lacks some mechanical precision (which I'll add again, did eventually get fixed for the most part)

>matter of taste
Sure. If your taste is shit, you might enjoy replaying a broken game because you can dress up differently.

And you keep ignoring my points and criclejerking about how DaS2 is DA WORST GAME EVAR.

In this thread we list things that make Dark Souls 2 the best Souls game. I'll start:

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

What points? If the quality of the gameplay is broken from the ground up then how can you pretend that a video game isn't complete shit? Options mean nothing if it plays like complete crap.

Dark Souls 2 was unironically the best one, and it's not even close
Only contrarians disagree

based

>Only faggots will disagree
I am one.

BB >> DS2 >> DS3 >> DS1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sekiro / Demon's

Nioh > DS2 > Sekiro > Bloodborne > DS > DeS > DS3

Shit > DeS = DS = DS 2 = DS3 = BB = Sekiro

>What points?
That there are other reasons to enjoy a game other than mechanical precision?

I mean people still love games like Gothic, VTMB, The Witcher and Drakenguard/Nier despite their gameplay being trash.

At the end of the day DaS2 still has Souls gameplay, despite not being as mechanically refined as 3 and BB.

If you're a retard who thinks bad PvP is more important than level design and gameplay, maybe.

Nah Asahina outskirts + castle are the highlight of the game in terms of exploration.

People liked Drakenguard and Nier because of the fantastic story telling and music. The reasons people give for liking DaS2 are all completely reliant on the gameplay, which is fundamentally shit. You're comparing apples to oranges.

>If you're a retard who thinks bad PvP is more important than level design and gameplay, maybe.

Ironically I think DaS2's biggest detractors are the DaS1&3 fans who pioneered all the fight club PvP faggotry. DaS3 in particualr feels more balanced around PvP than PvE.

>People liked Drakenguard and Nier because of the fantastic story telling and music

And people like DaS2 for the depth of customisation. Point is people will put up with something that is lacking, if something else is exceptional. Is that so hard to understand?

Does you guys hate dark souls 2 because you all suck at it? Git gud you fucking scrubs. Best fromsoftware game ever. Sekiro is pretty close behind. I have never found a game that caught my attention and rage like dark souls 2. Sekiro is really bringing that rage back and it’s givin me hope for video games again.

Attached: 28759315-D79A-49B8-9BEC-18143995F45B.jpg (339x351, 14K)

You just tried comparing standout aspects of the game that exist independent of the gameplay to parts of DaS2 completely reliant on gameplay. You're an idiot.

>Best fromsoftware game ever.
Dial back the shitposting.

Ds2>>>>> literal dogshit >>>>> any other fromsoft game

>You just tried comparing standout aspects of the game that exist independent of the gameplay to parts of DaS2 completely reliant on gameplay.

But character building and customisation compliments gameplay and is a core aspect of the series. It IS an RPG series after all, you arguments would make sense if Souls is a pure action game, but it's not. Also the core gameplay of 2 is solid, not the best in the series, I agree, but solid. At this point your purporsedly ignoring parts of my argument to further your argument that pure gameplay is the only important thing

They don't just compliment gameplay, they're completely reliant on it. The gameplay (a very important part of a game) is shit. Not just "not the best in the series" but shit. If it had other aspects that made it worth playing like level design, story, characters or music, that would be one thing, but all the praise it gets are things that are dependent on the gameplay. DaS is an action rpg that's very light on the story. Pretending that dressup redeems the game is asinine.

Let's unpack this: oof yikes sigh