Makes 4 masterpieces within the span of 11 years

seemingly yeah

PROBABLY MAYBE YOU FAT LARD OF SHIT

>Dark Souls 1 was important because it was difficult
>Dark Souls 3 close to being a masterpiece
Brainlet post

>do one thing well and continue to refine and change it subtley

and this is wrong why, you fucking mongoloid?

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this

Its called a re-skin

>Demon souls
>Bloodborne
>Sekiro
That's only 3 masterpieces. Dark souls is just a shitty rehash of Demons Souls and you're fucking retarded if you think it or any of its sequels are masterpieces.

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Their games are too similar. I wish they would branch out and make something radically different. Sekiro still shares so much of the same DNA as Souls.

>he never played the old king's field/shadow tower masterpieces
>he never played the old armored core games
>he never played echo night
SEETHING

maybe they are a 1 trick pony but its a very very good trick

Dark souls 1 was refreshing at the time because games we're getting too hand-holdy. But look at it subjectively, its not THAT good. There are some glaringly bad points of the game, frame issues, general lagginess throughout. It has its strong points too, mainly how deliberate the combat is, and the atmosphere is top tier, but its definitely not as good as Dark Souls 3

kill yourself

>Demon's Souls
>Dark Souls
>Bloodborne
>Sekiro

i don´t know yeah

Demon's Souls 7 good
Call of Duty 15 bad

Overrated

he's right though

japanese ubisoft

>Continue to refine it

Literally did not happen. There are absolutely trivial mechanical changes that took place between the Dark Souls trilogy of games, to the point where, were it not for the different locales, one could mistake them for the same game. Refinement implies that something is made better. The word you are looking for is stagnation.

>make the same game over and over
omg so amazing

Not him but what exactly should they refine from Dark Souls aside from what they already did with better ui, menus and other quality of life improvements?

Works for most vidya companies.

Wrong. Their two masterpieces are unironically Dark Souls and Deracine. Sekiro might be up there, but I haven't got too far into it.

4?
>Demon's Souls
>Dark Souls
>Dark Souls 2
>Bloodborne
Oh, nevermind. Checks out.

Weapon arts were a step in the right direction for making the combat more interesting. Too bad they decided to half-ass that too, and made them work off of a separate resource.

If they were truly dedicated to refining the series, they would have introduced combat like Sekiro's in the second installment.

>make good game
>people like it
>make different game because this one user on Yea Forums thinks they should not make similar games besides the game being a major hit and a huge success for the company
>people complain because it's not "The Game" anymore
Sekiro is very similar to Dark Souls and you can already see a bunch of retards complaining that it's not Dark Souls. Changing the game just for the sake of it is dumb, if they made a good game they should make a similar good game again.

>4 masterpieces
Make that 5.

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It's not wrong necessarily, but making one masterpiece and iterating on it is different to making 4 masterpieces.

yeah a genre can be boring; what's your point, assface;

Shall I add your entire sentence to the filters or just a couple of key words

only dark souls is truly a masterpiece, the others are just very good games. Didn't play bloodborne but I doubt it's good as ds1. If you think otherwise you're just fromsheep

Then maybe make an actual new game instead of copy pasta. Do you really think that people would complain it not being Dark Souls if it had no lockon and bonfires?

Every "souls" game that came after Dark Souls changed the combat a little. DS2 introduced dual wielding, Bloodborne removed shields, made combat faster and introduced trick weapons and DS3 introduced weapon arts. I still don't see what else they should have refined.

yeah

Or maybe fuck your opinion and make the same game again because that's what the people who buy their game wants? You want a different game, go play DMC5 or something.

if you think dark souls is a masterpiece you're literal sub 40 iq, there's a void where your brain should be

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I'm not saying they should make something different. They've got their own thing and they're good at it.

I'm just not seeing a reason to fawn over how great they are when they've just got one shtick

>A little

There's the operative phrase. They were (and are) afraid of pushing the envelope and made changes in barely noticeable degrees, landing us a trilogy that might as well be one long game instead of three separate ones.

He's right, it is one.

it's better than 2.

Damn. The first thing you do every morning when you wake up is eat shit isnt it? Retard.

>Dark Souls 1 was important because it was difficult
this is very obviously correct and if you don't see how DaS1 has influenced vidya gaems you are legit retarded or just not paying attention
the game was >good< for a litany of other reasons that have nothing to do with difficulty

>People want them to make the same game again and again

How exactly isn't this a textbook example of a drone?

Yeah, I'm gonna ask it again, what else did you expect them to change?

seemingly so i would say

>like game
>want another game like that
>omg you're a fucking drone! how dare you want more of something you like!

I already gave a concrete example. A more freeform and involved combat system like that found in Sekiro should have been made long before Sekiro.

Wanting more of something you like is not the same as wanting a reskin of what you like. Most people tend to have these things called standards, and expect their entertainment to be constantly evolving and finding new ways to engage them.

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Yes, Demons’ Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls 3

they did with BB

its no masterpiece

But that's antithetical to the series. Dark Souls is all about the slow and methodical combat, managing your stamina and calculating your actions and avoid enemy attack by dodging. If they made it like Sekiro than it wouldn't be Dark Souls anymore.

Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne aren't by any means reskins of the same game. You could say that of DS1 and Demon's Souls though but not the other games.

>Bloodborne
>?
>?
>?

BB is DS with more dodging and ranged weapons you don't have to switch to to fire.

It is mechanically almost identical to Dark Souls. Sekiro carries its Souls heritage with it too, but at least they've had the balls to add a lot more gimmicks to spice things up this time around.

Bloodbornes base game wasn't that good. Only the DLC was truly amazing.

bloodborne is a 6/10

Yes exactly. They made a few good ones and then boring trash.

Adding mechanics does not necessarily necessitate a change in pacing.

Yes, like I said they did add new mechanics with each game.

CoD is bad even if they only made one

Upper cathedral ward and nightmare frontier make it more than a 6.
The game is pretty much perfect until the rom fight.

better than the rest of soulshit that's for sure.

Is From Software the new Rare?

>Will they go down as the greatest studio ever?
no, but that wont stop you to make such threads on Yea Forumseddit

>nightmare froniter
>good
Nah. Nightmare of Mensis was really disappointing too. Upper Cathedral Ward from an atmosphere standpoint is top-tier I'll give you that.

>Dark Souls 1
>Not Demon's Souls

Sekiro isnt a masterpiece. It's beautiful bullshit that is difficult for the sake of being difficult. The parryfest boss fights are some of the least enjoyable I have ever encountered in my entire life, even if the bosses themselves are cool.

It's like a gold plated dog turd somebody told me was a chocolate bar. I bite into it and get a mouthful of shit and recoil in disgust.

>git gud

Like all the streamers using maximum cheese to kill even minibosses? You're telling me the game was designed for players to spam firecrackers and whirlwind and ignore parrying and posture completely? Nah...its just a shit game if the core mechanics are so difficult and unenjoyable that high skilled / dedicated players ignore them. Nobody wants to put up with the bullshit FROM tried to foist on them as an entrance fee to experience their game.

MAD COZ BAD!

You sound mad lmao. Also,

git gud

to me sekiro sucks cause there are no classes, it's not an rpg, it feels like I'm playing dmc with a bit more exploration and that's all

It could've been five if it weren't for the frequent loading screens.

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what a shitter, using streamers as some sort of standard

git gud

From Software consists of terribly mediocre employees but this man is leading them with his exceptional visions. FS literally can't make good games without him.

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Is this your first action game? It's been a genre for decades.

not even him, but you don't know how to read. maybe that's why you like brainlet formsoft games so much

If they put out a new armored core game that will be 5.

git gud

>Add a single special move for different weapon types

Wow, user. I was wrong, From is riding the razor's edge of game design!

>4 Masterpieces

Demons Souls = 7/10
Dark Souls = 9/10
Dark Souls 2 = 6/10
Dark Souls 3 = 8/10
Bloodborne = 9/10
Sekiro = 8/10

Only 2 of them come remotely close to being "masterpieces."

>git gud
you
at reading

git gud

in the eyes of a weeb yeah.

is bb really a 9/10? I mean ds gets a hight score because it was a fresh new thing an it felt sincere. and also roleplaying

Sekiro

7/10

>3 roughly similar games that fromsoft decided to stop because they knew it was getting stale
Better than Nintendo shitting out the same Pokemon game more than a dozen times.

>Makes 4 masterpieces within the span of 11 years
>How do they do it? Will they go down as the greatest studio ever?

Rare came out with Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2, Goldeneye, Killer Instinct, Battletoads, Banjo Kazooie, Diddy Kong Racing, and Conkers Bad Fur Day. That's 9 masterpieces in 7 years, all different genre's. FROM isn't even remotely close to being the greatest anything ever.

Idort here, no. It's a 7/10 at best.

Except your ranged weapon replaces your shield and is used to parry, i.e., involving you in the combat because you can't just hold your 100% damage blocking gun up as you walk in a circle around an enemy. In DS, ranged is just to cheese. The rally system also encourages more involved combat. Instead of getting hit a couple times and panic rolling out of enemy range to chug your flask, you get aggressive. These things work in tandem with the heal speed, as well.
All of the core mechanics are the same in Sekiro, too, but subtle changes can have a large impact. Look at DS2; it's hardly different than any other Souls game, but there are tiny changes like ADP, the hitscan system and slightly more tracking and people still can't get over it

Why are you so jaded about DS? Looks like you got casual filtered faggot.

Sekiro is worse than dark souls 2
Prove me wrong
protip: you can't

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>fresh new thing

Sword-combat duelist games were already a thing a decade before Demons Souls.

>Ranged weapons are now parry shields that you can shoot

I do not see how this is a good or interesting change.

>Sword-combat duelist games
lul

if you don't think that's a good change, then you don't actually think more involved combat is good
gobk2ds1 fat rolling and poise tanking with your 100% shield, lazyboi

Not even close to Origin in the 1990s but not that a zoomer would know.

And they made this as well. How is one studio so based?

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They made a Viva Piñata ripoff?

>Game can either be fatrolling poisetanking or dodgefest parrybaiting, no inbetween

I see you've adopted the From mindset just admirably. Why bother the player with excessive mechanics and choice, when you can design two playstyles and call it a day? I look forward to your rebuttal involving bringing up magic, as if it was anything but hitting a button and firing homing projectiles.

I always saw it as more of a ripoff of animal crossing

>ps3 exclusive
Who knew what it was

that's correct. nobody says "this is the demon's souls of X." don't be disingenuous.

Okay, but who are you quoting?
Your position is very inconsistent. You say that Sekiro is a good departure from the Souls formula, but now you're whining about the reduction of variety (not the same as mechanics, all the core mechanics are the same), which is exactly what sets Sekiro apart. Also wtf is this magic shit about? I already said ranged is just cheese.
ur a big ol' dumb ball m80

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> DeS
Old cheap piece of shit with terrible graphics, animations, hit boxes but with original ideas. 6/10
> DaS
Upgraded DeS, but still meh. Clearly overrated on /v due to being first game of the series for majority of people. Alomst no interesting bosses or enemies. some good locations, easy as fuck. 7/10
> DaS 2
Tanimura fall for the difficulty meme and made unoriginal soulless game but with great customisation and somewhat good pvp. Had couple of beautiful locations and bosses (DLC). 5/10
> Bloodborne
Upgraded DaS with a few different mechanics and setting. Have some great boss designs, but they are ruined by HUGE amount of health. Good, but clearly overrated by Snoy. 8/10
> DaS 3
Miyazaki's opus magnum. Hated by DaSfags because doesn't grant them same emotiong as the first game. Hated by BBfags because does everything that Bloodborne did but better and on other platforms. Best locations. best enemies, best bosses, best graphics, best hitboxes, best DLC (Ringed City). 9/10
> Sekiro
Still not finished. Feels different from other games. It is obviously the hardest one. Don't like the Japan setting and bosses design, but BOSSES (not mini) are fun and great. 7/10 for me on this moment.

So what 4 games?

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>Bloodborne introduced trick weapons
>what is the Puzzling Stone Sword

>makes the same game 4 times
They're like Nintendo except they don't ruin their rehashes with gimmicks

dark souls 2 is not even close to sekiro

DS2, DS2: Crown of the Sunken King, DS2: Crown of the Ivory King, DS2: SotFS

agreed but I think dark souls is a good contender, Demon's Souls was unfinished but what content was there was complete. Dark Souls was unfinished where some of the content that was there wasn't finished. It's like the same mistake in a different way? Demon's Souls was missing a whole area, Dark Souls gave us an incomplete area. Idk both are cool. I'm the only guy that likes world tendency that I know.

I havent played King's Field and neither have you.
Over on /vr/ they're only talked about because "oh hey its the dark souls guys". General consensus is they mediocre but novel games.
Stop trying to act hard about games you havent played you drone.

>love all games, some more, some less
Where my chillgang at?

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das2 is dogshit and you know it

its literally the same game over and over

hmm yeah

git gud retard lul

Nah, too samey, doesn't count.

Wake me up when they stop repackaging Souls crap. Miyazaki is getting lazy.

More mechanics allow for more variety, dear user. Less mechanics allow for less.

>I havent played King's Field and neither have you.
Nice projection there buddy. I've played all of them several times except the first one which is garbage and I only got to the third floor. I have them all installed on my PS3 as well on my PC on retroarch/pcsx2. The games are great.
>General consensus is
Next time play the games yourself so you can have an opinion of your own you shit eating nigger abortion.

your arguments are like the souls franchise
lmao

AM I SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE CASTLE FIGHTING RAPE SAMURAI THIS SOON OR DID I SKIP A BUNCH OF SHIT BY ACCIDENT. CUNT KILLS ME IN LIKE 1 HIT. I ONLY KILLED THE OGRE AND THE HORSE GUY AND THE BULL SO FAR.

There are lots of places for you to explore. I didn't beat genichiro until I had like 4 or 5 attack power.

If you absolutely can't do it go fight butterfly bitch

>das3
>the game that took ideas from all the other souls games
>original

> Compile all the best ideas and your experince in one is bad

>des
>das
>bb
4?

git gud

ur mom

Based armored core boomers

It’s all Fromjank that they’ve been doing since Armored Core 2 but one series accidentally caught on.

This might be the stupidest post in the recent history of Yea Forums.

There were plenty of games out that weren't hand holdy, but npcs will only follow big titles and never go past games on normal. If anything it showed how low the average gamer bar was for difficulty.

>DS3 above Demon's
Kill yourself

good taste user, dark souls is good but not a masterpiece

Don't worry user, I agree with you.

>DS3 above anything

>Slow ass garbage games
Nah, they've aged too much.

I would literally gargle on Miyazaki's man juice. Guy is a freaking genius.

>des
>das
>ds2
>sekiro
yeah about right

All of those games suck, did you even play them?

*blocks your path*

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Idort here, it's pseudo 10/10. Only reason it's not actually 10/10 is because of ps4's cucked performance the game cannot reach 60fps

>Demon Soul
>Dark Soul 1, 2, 3
>Armored Core For Answer and Verdict Day
>Seikiro

I count 7 user.

DeS Ds1 Sekiro and BB
there pretty good but have some cashgrabs to >ds3 and dsr

DS3 is unironically best dark souls. Take off your nostalgia blinders; it's literally just refined DS1, if you like DS1 you have no reason to not like DS3 more aside from pure stubbornness

dark souls 3 is a masterpiece

this

mmm yeh prob

>4 masterpieces
ds1,2,3 and demon souls?

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I think dark souls 1 is the only one that will have lasting impact and be remembered the most. Not necessarily because of quality but just because of how big of a deal was when it came out, and at least let developers know that people still enjoy games with a bit of challenge to them, at a time when everything was being steadily casualized.

When will we be allowed to criticize Sekiro without children parroting 'git gud'? Is this forever the state of the game's discussion?

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>demon souls
>dark souls 1
>dark souls 2
>bloodborne
yep your math checks out good work

He obviously wasn't talking about DS2 or 3.

Be honest, you didn't even know what King's Field was before Demon's Souls came out, did you?

for answer
des
ds1
sekiro
I thought From would be stuck in their faster=better mindset that DS3 and BB suffered from but it seems they've learned from their mistakes and made a game that punishes roll spam.

Sekiro is shit

Dark Souls can't be a masterpiece because more than half of the game is unfinished, worst offender being Lost Izalith but an immediate decline in pacing and production values can be felt after Anor Londo. If the second half of the game was as good as everything leading up to Ornstein & Smough it would stand a chance of being called that.

Except they're not reskins you tard.

Dark Souls objectively isn't a masterpiece since Izalith exists, and we all know how Miyazaki feels about it. Bloodborne is the one guys.

>make oot
>copy+paste x3
>call it masterpieces

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can't agree
dark souls 1 is too slow and dark souls 3 is too fast

>masterpieces
i tried to get into it but I just didn't like em

>Still jank
>Still graphically behind the average release
>Still poor performance
>Lagstab multiplayer in the Souls titles
>Masterpiece

Fun memorable games maybe but From can't get a game out which isn't half baked to save their life.

undoubtedly yeah