Re: sjw in vtm:bl2

People saying "I don't want politics in my games" aren't actually saying "I don't want political themes". For the most part they're just inarticulately expressing that they don't want to be preached at or spoken down to. Deus Ex is held up as one of the best RPGs out there, often by the people who 'don't want politics' despite the fact that they then praise it because of how political it is. Those who are quick to dismiss before trying to meet people half way would think of this as hypocrisy, rather than something that could provide insight.
Then there're those who just do not want camp-based identity politics. The current political discourse is beyond toxic thanks to leaning heavily on tribalistic identity politics: There's no room for nuance, there's no room for divergence from the creed: You either believe what I believe or you are my absolute enemy. One could be forgiven for not wanting a part in that.
And then you have those that are involved in the tribalistic shitflinging. For the most part I think that these are people who have been primed to view [badcamp identifier] as an attack on them by Die White Dudebro Gamers twitter idiots. Example: The Representation is the Most Important Thing crowd along with opportunistic EA marketers created an environment wherein making a homosexual character is a politically aligning act. This fucking sucks. Sure, there are ways that writing homosexuals -- particularly homosexual issues -- makes a narrative 'political', however before it didn't conscript you to a side in an eternal shouting match. The game could just exist, even as a political piece of fiction. You can't even tell the screaming 14 year olds to fuck off either because then you then attract a different flavour of screaming 14 year old.
It's a shitty situation:
>don't make a game with designated politically aligning features
or
>put up with perpetually outraged SJWs
or
>put up with perpetually outraged "le triggered SJWs? >:)" redditors

yes

When the first thought in your mind when writing anything is how many brownie points you’ll score with certain groups (instead of first and foremost trying to make something good) then you are so deep in bullshit it’s amazing you can breathe.

>Subtext is for cowards

Intelligently putting in a message instead of hamfisting it in is for cowards. Who knew?

i don't want politics is just a lazy way for people to say they don't want virtue signaling and pandering

if there's an option to give a dissenting point that makes an equal difference then I don't mind at all. when done well it makes games more interesting.

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This. For example the annoying feminist in Red Dead 2 would've been absolutely fine if both options Agree/Antagonize didn't end with you agreeing with her regardless. That's gay as fuck

The easiest solution is to not use a game to preach to a player. It's a shame that's what they'll do.

you know, like it or not, but everything is inherently political, even default shit, that's maintaining the status quo (not necessarily a bad thing)

People have been primed to see any kind of [politically aligning inclusion] to be preaching though, thanks to the current discourse. It's not that simple.

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Maybe the American public at large are fucking stupid, including 99% of them on this website?

No.
The default is not political unless the particular aspect of the status quo in question is a matter of popular public debate.
Foucault is a fucking hack and rots your brain.
These cunts can only ever say the same things because ironically their favorite writer has programmed them to see the world exclusively through that lens.

I suppose, yes, if you go super deep into it. The choice that's important, really, is being able disagree in-game when preached at. If we encounter Rudi in Bloodlines 2 I want the ability to tell him what a faggot he is, and have it be actually valid instead of laughed off.

Isn't the who Camilla Vs the Anarchs a huge part of the setting? World of Darkness is very punk.

Yeah, but the writers refuse to acknowledge that there'd be skinheads and other right-leaning punks in the anarchs.

use what then? movie, book?

I detest the SJW agenda, but pretending like people aren't and shouldn't put their biases in their creative work is kinda dumb

what matters is the quality of the writing and the respect the other side is given. an argument could be made that sjw agendas will inherently lead to weak writing, and I'm inclined to agree since modern lefties are fucking retarded and only preach and judge. the sjw of the past was an observer.

all of jihad (cammies vs anarchs vs sabbath vs kuel jin vs clan chocula) is pretty important to the plot, yes.

This

There is a whole nazi vampire story line from WOD (villians of course) that is entirely left out.

>Vampire society is all white, all male.

Want to know how I know this dude has never fucking touched White Wolf before?

Second.

I think a lot of it is sensitivity. People in America, particularly rural areas are very sensitive to this sort of thing because they live disconnected from cities. When they see a gay character they scream "politics" because the only time homosexuality is mentioned in their community is with politics. These people don't understand that in most major cities nobody cares about gay people. I live in the UK and the idea of gay people being controversial to me is confusing because I've never grown up in that environment, yet the person in rural America doesn't know any different, so they think any mention of gay people is 'virtue signalling' or whatever because they can't comprehend that other parts of the world or even their country don't think like them.

I think most people don't get the issue here.
It's about developers pushing for his shitty politics in to a game so he can show how progressive he is and if you don't agree with him you are on the wrong side of history, oh wait, you cannot disagree, the game already set you up for "YES" answer to all the issues because you are not supose to form your own ideas but nod and agree like a good fucking zealot you are.

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>I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards
that may be the stupidest thing I've read all month, I realize it's a quotation, but holy fuck.

Want to know how we know you have zero reading comprehension?

Arcade Gannon in Fallout: New Vegas was gay, they didn't make a big deal out of it, and you only learned about it by pressing him on the issue. No one on either side gave any fucks whatsoever.

Something can, and should, be learned from this.

If this person is referencing VTM specifically when they say "all white all male society" then they are either deliberately lying or have literally never played any version or permutation of it, tabletop or vidya. Ignoring things outside of one's sphere of familiarity is absolutely not a political statement in and of itself, it simply reflects an unwillingness to engage with things outside said sphere, the reasons can be numerous. It is true however that most media is saturated within either subtle or overt political themes, however these themes can be handled with care so as not to transform into overt propaganda as left-leaning political themes in video games very often do to the detriment of the game itself. In addition, media can be scrubbed of overt political bias, it's very difficult and not as gratifying (thus why practically nobody has ever done it), but one can simply collect as much verifiable data as possible and release it without attaching moral signaling to it, it just demands a level of rigor, integrity, and work to do and so it's essentially nonexistent in the apathy age.

>he doesnt want to stalk the streets of pozzed seattle in a blood crusade against the trannies
brehs youre not looking at this right

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You mean making character an organic being with his own belives instead of being a talking point for the dev?
C'mon man, don't be sexist or racist, how else will I know this guy is gay, which is very important of his chartacters and that is the only thing he should be indentified by, if he is not showing dildo up his ass as I try to understand his dilema and if I don't like it I'm a literally Hitler.

I'm not american. I can count the niggers I've seen on my fingers. It's still tiresome fucking spam and I tune out the moment some lardlander pulls a soapbox out of his ass. Like netflix, holy fuck, I couldn't give any less of a shit yet every show and movie on there has a mandatory brownie point segment where it's either about fags, niggers, or women, those poor poor creatures oh boo fucking hooo.

>and they're cowards
no, they're just better writers than you mister-literally-who

Yeah but Arcade Gannon never won any fighting game tournaments. Maybe if he said he was gay every thirty seconds, he may have gotten somewhere in Vault Boy FighterZ.

Don't put those sudacas with us you fat mutt.

You mean a decade of preaching. Sentiment didn't come out of nowhere, bud. It's what we in the industry call "a basic fucking observation, retard".

Garth Marengi is a fictional character you numpty.

Nonsense, you don't have to be urban or rural to recognize when a character is being made diverse for the sake of it. These people lack subtlety.

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If it'll make you feel better user, go for it.

>"The problem with gays is that they make their sexuality their whole identity"

>"I'm just saying if they want gay people in video games then they shouldn't be represented as LGBT caricatures"

I don't agree with either of these but when are people who say this shit going to accept that they are dictionary-definition homophobic, like clearly afraid of gay people being gay.

the poster in OPs image never talked about vampires or the lore of WoD, he was talking about real life.

0/10 bait.

Devs are homophobic because they refuse to make anything but caricatures? Agreed.

It doesn't matter if you're American, you're just clearly in a rural area. Whereabouts are you from? Country and county.

>trannies
>in a world where some beginner illusionist can turn you in to a women
>or where you can stumble on one of many sex changing artifacts
and then they wonder why everyone hates them

So what you're saying is that no LGBT people make their identity their life?

what kind of a schizo would quote a fictional character and expect to be taken seriously?

This is genuinely terrible bait. If you're going to do the quote out of nowhere shtick then at least learn how humor works.

The sort of people who are always saying "UM AKSHUALLY EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL" only ever come out of the woodwork to defend the worst possible things because that sort of trash is what they want.
If you see people defending a work of fiction with this argument you can safely assume that it's going to be shit.

Machismo culture is a congenital defect of the Iberian race.

There, I said it.

But that's clearly not true though, is it?

>rural

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So where are you from mate?

You have that backwards. The majority of people who are constantly espousing that kind of "everything is political" bullshit are from the gated communities and upper class parts of major cities. They keep talking up diversity and shit, even though they are a collective of the whitest fuckers around. They turn a blind eye to the extremely awful issues that their feel-good bullshit policies elicit, blaming those very problems that they caused on everyone else.

Sheltered upper class City people know absolutely nothing about the overwhelming majority of the world, and much of what they do know is packed full of lies so that they don't have to feel bad. That is why they always lean towards liberal, socialist ideals, ones full of short term "solutions" that make them feel good about themselves with no consideration of how it affects others outside of their scope, nor the long term consequences of establishing whatever it is they cried about to get put in place.

it's time to chew ass and kick bum

I'm not even from America you obsessed 3rd world shitstain

I had made the assumption that it was in reference to VTM because of the thread title and didn't see anything in the post to indicate otherwise, but the idea that society itself is all-white and all-male is even more blatantly wrong so I'm going to give myself a pass for that.

>Vampire
>Good people

Are you stupid or what?

That's a lot of text to say "no u".

>You have that backwards. The majority of people who are constantly espousing that kind of "everything is political" bullshit are from the gated communities and upper class parts of major cities.

Maybe in your country but not mine. I'm from the poor area of my city and nobody has a problem with gays. People just don't care as much as you do.

Apparently a rural area in doesn't matter: not america.

If you want to flagpost, there's boards for that. Your conjecture is dogshit. Move on. Spam is annoying, it's not up for discussion.

Contest matters, retard. That tranny exists in a universe where you can easily have your gender and even very race changed with no issue. There'd be no concept of being a transsexual. Yet the developers pushed it into the game, complete with modern SJW nonsense like picking a tranny name so you don't deadname him with his birthname.

>shit blue background
>yellow letters
I'm not reading that out of principle.
Fuck off

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its not just the us, its the entire west. but its all forced fake outrage anyways. literally nobody but resetera tier sjws ever asked for politics in games until those same people got positions in video game companies and started forcing them in.

Are you one of those London metro types still preaching you're the majority after it was shown to be demonstrably false with the leave vote? You're the most out-of-touch faggots around, especially since you think beaming a hate campaign at the North for three years has changed their minds.

You keep dodging the question because you know I'm right. You've already said that you can 'Count the niggers you've seen on one hand' which instantly tells me you're not in any major city.

What you fail to understand is that while the internet gives you an equal platform to everyone else, people who develop games largely live in and were born in big cities where people are used to gay people so of course you're going to see it in videogames, they're not expecting people to think of it as a political statement because to them it's just part of life. They work, live and commute with gay people, it's natural they're going to feature in the games they design.

I'm not trying to shit on you for where you live, but you have to understand that most people live a very different life from you, especially the people who develop games.

Politics in games, sure, but the interesting ones.
You know, conspiracy, falseflags, war, not the stupid, pointless and irrelevant asinine crap that autistic millennials care about, the same who think they are saving the world by watching superhero movies.

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>contest matters,retard
the word is CONTEXT lmfao.

I think this is really the key issue, here. People who work on games as writers tend to be pretty poor at writing something nuanced, and as such when they try and tackle genuinely nuanced topics you end up with these jarringly writing characters/plots who are in the end just bizarre caricatures of reality that are hard to take seriously.

>People saying "I don't want politics in my games" aren't actually saying "I don't want political themes". For the most part they're just inarticulately expressing that they don't want to be preached at or spoken down to.
Well that is of course one problem you get when your opinions are handed down to you from Yea Forums and regurgitated back onto it without hardly even bothering to reflect upon them.

I'm not from London no, I've got nothing against the North at all, I love the North and they've made some brilliant music. You sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder about London though, so maybe you should take it up with a Londoner.

The main issue is people who write for video games are by and large shit. Either rejects from TV and Cinema or writing school drop outs. People who wear their sexuality as their entire identity are vapid morons, but that's an entirely separate matter.

>When they see a gay character they scream "politics" because the only time homosexuality is mentioned in their community is with politics
Here's a news flash: the majority of people don't like gays.

So being under the effects of a spell or magic item erases your original identity, or what are you trying to say? Do you think there's a contradiction somewhere?

here's another newsflash: most people don't care as they have more important shit to think about.

>That tranny exists in a universe where you can easily have your gender and even very race changed with no issue. There'd be no concept of being a transsexual.
That makes no sense. You can change your sex in our world. People do it BECAUSE we have a concept of being transsexual.

I'm dodging? You never addressed a thing I said. Piss off, asshat.

>I'm not trying to shit on you for where you live, but you have to understand that people who live outside of cities don't matter and should have no say in anything

>You can change your sex in our world
No you can't.

I don't think you thought this post through.

>You can change your sex in our world

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Actually you started consistently overreacting a decade ago and you never gave it up. It's a self-perpetuating cycle, but it's really more of a mass delusion than reality.

Vampire the Masquerade was always SJW-stuff.
like forever,
white-wolf has always been pretty "liberal"/"progressive" despite the gothic themes (or rather because the gothic themes)

What majority is that? Certainly not the case where I come from, or are you just talking about your village?

Pretty sure they explicitly use a neo-Nazi Brujah as an example of a villain in the new sourcebook

Not even trannies believe you can change your sex. You'd think as someone defending this shit you'd know your differences between sex and gender

Right you are. Effect without a cause, just gotta preach harder til they submit.

Yeah that guy is right

Mad science-denying conservatards at it again :^)

Seriously though your argument makes zero sense

You know suicide rates jump shortly after SRS? This is because it's sold as a magic cure for dysphoria, which is isn't.

yeah remember all the tranny stuff and racial politics that was in the original game

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>Not even trannies believe you can change your sex.
Obviously plenty of them do, as they get a surgery to do precisely that.
>You'd think as someone defending this shit you'd know your differences between sex and gender
Yeah, I know, and that is why I know that sex is the part you can change through surgery and gender is a part of your identity.

>chopping up your dick and balls and getting your adams apple shaved makes you female
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE

There is a cause, the cause is just not a good one, nor is it what you think it is.

>the majority of people think exactly like me because I live in a city
literally what you're saying right now

>sex is the part you can change through surgery
you wish freak

>calling other people brainlets because you can't understand/pin-point subtext without someone telling you to be angry at something

Most of what you said was unintelligible to be brutally honest but I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt by not drawing attention to it for cheap internet argument points. If you can read then ultimately you can understand what I've written, if you want to debate it then by all means do so but if it's too difficult a pill to swallow then at least give it some thought. Even if you want to keep throwing insults and whatnot to not lose face, I'll happily take it - but if you actually have an inquisitive enough mind to wonder why you're seeing gay people in your videogames then that's your answer, it's all there.

based

>fuck a 10/10 TnA blondie
>learn 2 days latter it's Bob from the mines that tripped on some rando artifact
That's called being courteous.
If anything we need a law forcing people to disclose their natural appearance and list of plastic surgeries they had

None of you have thus far explained how having sex-change magic would somehow prevent people from being born trans

>10:51
>11:51
if you're going to samefag yourself don't do it on auto you fucking gay retard

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you are ignorant.
the whites who signal this hard are disenfranchised white females who never had a choice but to exist in a non white space.
they are hypersensitive to implicit conotations of basically evrythign that they end up creating racism where it doesnt exist but this is a good thing. in the long run it forces the cuckservatives and le gamer bros to make explicit stances on what they want. no more i dont see color lul XDDD but implicit segregation. you will have to make it explicit on the market and also pay the "social" costs.
it is a great thing. especially in the long run. no border wall can segregade as efficiantly as the market.

btw if all these cuck youtuber gamer anti esjaydoublee jouu retards really cared they would call for a boycott of californian gaming industries. they dont. instead they propagade leftist narrative from le ironic angle. (since they have a content incentive) this is why they will never be your allies no matter how much you like what they are saying,.

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I already tried that, bud. If your idea of a debate(could you be any more of an argumentative twat) is to dismiss someone with a guess at their location, and then keep asking for it so you have some grounds to dismiss it on when it turns out wrong, I don't want a repeat of that.oh jesus

Fucking this!

You can switch to whatever sex tranny feels comfortable with, bam done, the fucker no longer has a talking point, but NOOO MUH VICTIMHOOD

>you can change your sex in our world
woah, we can switch XX and XY now? holy fuck i must have been living under a rock

It's not up to the author to assign meaning to his work. That's the reader's job. The reader is the final arbiter of what a work "means."

It's just demographics, not just of the consumer but the developer. Why would they make a game that panders to people who live in the middle of nowhere? I don't have any experience of that culture for a start, so I certainly wouldn't. Small towns or rural areas aren't good places to build game studios, so the people who get employed to work at said studios live in cities.

I'm legitimately not trying to belittle anyone here but it's exactly the same reason as why Japan makes the games it does, Japanese developers live in Japan so they primarily make games for the Japanese. Western devs live in cities, so the sensibilities in the games they make are that of people who live in cities.

this thread right now

you people are dumb babies

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>all-white, all male society is political
this isn't political, its fucking self-insert propaganda

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I'm saying the reason you never hear people thinking homosexuality is controversial here is because it's illegal and banned from discussing in a public place.
>hehe hoho it's not illegal you paranoid homophobe
If you stand up in a town square and (reasonably without using slurs etc) declare homosexual marriage should not take place in Britain, you -will- be arrested.

Just for clarification I don't care about homosexuals or homosexual marriage (1/4 of 1% of the population), in fact I think it's just a bear trap made to bait out silly old conservatives from their caves so they can howled and laughed at by liberals, but to assert Britain "naturally" came to that position without a crushing elite of bourgeois bohemians ruling from London banning opposite views is laughable. You did not naturally come to your views, you had them drilled into by the state in school.

he means everything past owod which it was, everything nuwod on was gay as shit

or just look at the bone structure

i was laughing at your implication that irl sex change surgery actually changes your sex i could not care about your fantasy lore argument

I keep telling you I'm not dismissing you. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling you why modern game devs aren't thinking of you when they make their games. It's that simple.

I have never timed my post so perfectly that it made someone think I'm a samefag before, but it does happen

Nobody is going to fall for your retarded tricks. Stop conflating ingame inworld politics with a game trying to literally BE a political statement. Everyone sees right through you.

This brings up an interesting question. Can a work use politics as a storytelling tool without "being political"? Like could a game use post 9/11 war on terror imagery as a tool to advance a fictional story without necessarily commenting on those things as they apply in the real world?

New world spictoids, are unironically more Spanish than modern Spanish in these times.

You can call it whatever the hell you want, you still haven't addressed a thing I said.

Where are you seeing "victimhood" (other than in your own posts)?

you are too stupid to discuss this then
one idea literally precludes the other and if you can't entertain that basic logic train in your head you have no business discussing anything

Sex isn't chromosomes.

feel like sjw shit actually fits in this type of game

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When those "disenfranchised white females" achieve their ideal world their granddaughters will be back imprisoned in their homes by their non-white husbands.

Yes, of course a game can depict events without forcing a viewpoint onto you. In fact that's the main thing being complained about, people don't like attempts to proselytize.

And in that moment the Nazis realised, what if instead of using Post-Modernism as a buzzword for things we don't like, we lean into it and just stubbornly deny anything means anything at all because of the death of the author?

Oh wait they were already doing it but they just didn't realise how post-modern they were being

There are literally items in the game that allow you to change your sex and in BG2 one of the characters becomes a woman by fiddling with magic scrolls.

How does someone tell the difference? Like if hypothetically someone made a game that in-universe was about female representation in media could they accomplish that without the game being a political statement about female representation in media?

>you had them drilled into by the state in school.
The real tool is the (((media)))

no country has free speech even in theory except USA

careful, /pol/tards (and the idiots who think they're "classically liberal" but have never read Adam Smith) think this line of thinking is "degenerate", "forbidden" or "communistic" because it asks questions that don't necessarily have objective answers, and deals in meta-bullshit and literary theories...

>If you stand up in a town square and (reasonably without using slurs etc) declare homosexual marriage should not take place in Britain, you -will- be arrested.
Prove it :^)

Because there'd be no concept of being transsexual. If you could go to the local temple and shell out $50 and poof, literally have a functioning womb, vagina and XX chromosomes to where your very genetics have become female... there wouldn't be a such thing as gender dysphoria. It'd be like identifying as clothed or something. It's too casual an affair to be a part of your identity.

yes, he's obviously correct.

And it was cringey there, too.

>You did not naturally come to your views, you had them drilled into by the state in school.
Unlike your views, which are homegrown grass-fed organic views

Everyone is influenced by their environment, that doesn't make their views less authentic.

>projecting
typical
tranny can change to whatver sex he/she/xer/zir/fyr/thonthon feels like
no longer has to act like big fucking victim and how evil everyone is not accepting IT and IT'S lunacy
but noo, lemme tell you how i was a tranny, quality writing right there and how none of those items matter because i only exist as a talking point for the dev so he can virtue signal how progressive he is

Might as well join the flat earth society if you're on this many levels of science denial.

First of all, that's incorrect because people have and do protest against gay marriage and don't get arrested. Even leading politicians have expressed that opinion on TV and not been arrested.

Secondly, I don't know why you think that 'liberal elites' are behind everything. I've lived on a council estate all my life and never seen any homophobic abuse or even any anti gay sentiment, in fact most of them go to pride every year. Nobody was taught not be homophobic, gay people have existed in the city way before we were born and nobody has a problem with it, we had gay classmates and teachers, nobody cared because it's just not a big deal.

This is what you don't understand, people who live in cities don't give a shit. Why would we? We've grown up with it around us. We don't go around thinking about it, it's just part of life. Whereabouts in the UK are you from?

There's a big difference between mentioning the topic of politics for world-building and the developers of the game having a real-world political agenda.

>random skinheaded white dude starts ranting to strangers in a square
Yeah, no shit, they'll think you're a nut. Keep the loonies on the path.

it is in my culture baby boi

Right I get that it's technically possible. I just don't think people are equipped to compartmentalize it that way. When The Dark Knight came out people were arguing that a fucking Batman movie was pro-Patriot Act.

Which is what? Go ahead and say it again so we're both clear.

no shit you can

>sex change surgery actually changes your sex
It's in the name
Yeah, that's what I'd say if I were actually the one too stupid to discuss it. But since I'm not, I'm keen to discuss it. I mean, there's obviously some massive misunderstanding on your part, but if you can't put it into words I have to guess at it and that's tedious for both of us. What do you think a transgender person is?
>Because there'd be no concept of being transsexual. If you could go to the local temple and shell out $50 and poof, literally have a functioning womb, vagina and XX chromosomes to where your very genetics have become female... there wouldn't be a such thing as gender dysphoria.
Or, get this, there would be such a thing as gender dysphoria, and it would be recognised, and those people would be sent to the temple to have their sex changed because they are transgender.

They also have spells that can regrow a lost leg but that doesn't mean they don't have a concept of missing legs.

>can you make media that isn't preachy bullshit
it hasn't seriously gotten so bad you're sincerely asking this, has it?

it's a quote from fucking garth marenghi, who doesn't even exist
he's just a satirical TV show character with no tact or subtlety, of course they'd parrot him

>US
>paradox

they are Swedish you faggots

No, not really.

eh, there's been "natural born women" with unusually high tostosterone levels who apparently have like some sort of weird mutation that gives them boobs and a y chromosome but they're born with a vagina.

at least it's not entirely unheard of. I mean there's also the intersex-people (those born with both a penis and a vagina).

Death of the Author is the only sensible approach because the Author could literally be dead. Or at the very least not sitting there telling you what he meant. Or even just plain suck at his job and fail to convey what he intended to. What's important isn't whether an interpretation is right but simply if it is defensible.

Keep clicking the blue numbers and you'll get there.

It's from funny tv series.

Yes.
Problem is that people think women in Battlefield is "political".

>tranny can change to whatver sex he/she/xer/zir/fyr/thonthon feels like
>no longer has to act like big fucking victim and how evil everyone is not accepting IT and IT'S lunacy
Yeah, so you said, but you were prompted by an example from an actual game, remember? And that treated it without ever referring to victimhood, in fact it treated it as a quite normal thing, exactly like you're saying they should? So again, you're the one acting like a victim for no reason since you seem to be taking it rather personally, which makes me think you're the one projecting here.

This

>Or, get this, there would be such a thing as gender dysphoria, and it would be recognised, and those people would be sent to the temple to have their sex changed because they are transgender.
Why would it be seen as a mental illness at all? It's a step away from just changing clothes in that world.

>oh dear, our son has taken to wearing hats
>>what a disease that is! lets go to the haberdashery and have him treated!

and flipper babies are dolphins

Probably not, but it depends on how it was handled. The big things that make something retarded are games trying to be a political statement first and a game second, games chiding the player directly for not agreeing with the devs' politics, the game trying to directly lecture or gesture at you in ways that break suspension of disbelief, and devs grandstanding about the game and its politics outside of the game.

If you theoretically create a totally consistent experience where the character is some dumb political thing but it's played off as serious and doesn't treat the player like a retarded child it would only get flak from retards.

>I mean there's also the intersex-people
Exceedingly rare fuck up.

>quotes someone saying people who use subtext are cowards
>argues that everything has subtext

Your culture is scientifically illiterate then.

BFV tanked, get over it

>Spaniards
retard

Not him, but theres a difference between not having a problem with gays/not caring that much, and being a rabid SJW prancing around in riots and gay prides, measuring everything's worth by their "progressiveness".

One is, as you said, pretty fucking normal actually.

>You morons everything is political start talking about identity politics right now!
>"Ok." *votes Trump, the only anglo candidate not running on an anti-white platform*
>NOOO STOP YOU FUCKING RACISTS REEEEE

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Wrong, nobody gave a shit. Stop LARPing

They literally mention Bush and the Republicans in there. Are you underage?

too bad you didn't read the rest of my post so you could ignore the mumbo jumbo you spewed, go back to that post
also lots of assumption in that post of yours for someone with no interest at all

Not when they literally mention communism, something that has resurfaced in the past two decades as a "real world" political agenda.

I was literally an English major so I actually am liberal. Progressive even. When it comes to fiction there are very few objective answers once we start talking about vague shit like "meaning." We have objective facts regarding plot points and shit but crossing into "meta-bullshit" opens the door to pretty much every interpretation under the son. They won't all be useful or well-reasoned though.

Do you think it's because of women or because every new Battlefield has less content than the last and no effort is made to introduce new things to the genre?

Those are specific syndroms, not related to mentally ill trannies.

>there's been "natural born women" with unusually high tostosterone levels who apparently have like some sort of weird mutation that gives them boobs and a y chromosome but they're born with a vagina
no amount of testosterone can just give you a y chromosome

No because "too political" isn't even a sincere argument, it's used by people who are already politically biased to begin with to give the illusion that they aren't political and that they're just a """gamer""" like anyone else but they conveniently only complain about something being too political when it's politics they don't like

>150 replies before this btfo
Jesus Yea Forums is retarded sometimes

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>actually bashing the concept of subtext
Jesus Christ

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>Western Imperialism
typical of progressive preachers, but you won't be preaching for long, which is nice

yes and no, yes because it would only relate to in game politics and no because it is an obvious "commentary" of current political climate.
the most subtle way to do it on the other hand, is to take a fictional world with a fictional political system with its very own media, then take one of the numerous species represented in the game and giving it the appeal you desire and at the time giving it a small subtle message about current political climate, that way anyone interrested in games with a political system won't feel thay have to deal with your personal view of a perfect world and can play their own way.
crusader king or hearth of iron is a good exemple, the political figure are not fictional BUT you can actually make it your own way ( exemple : take USA and never particpate during WW2 or be nazi germany and ally with the british to colonize the rest of africa or even play as an african country and unite all of africa under one name )

well garth marenghi is a fictional character who is also a pretentious dumbass

Politics I like: war, conspiracies, spionage, falseflagging.

Politics I don't like: stupid civilian crap that only autistic millennial manchildren give a fuck about, and that's so irrelevant that people think watching superhero movies can affect that kind of politics.

bad game, bad marketing, bad track record
the palette and sanctimonious horseshit about their female cyborg cricket teams' reception sure didn't help any

what? this is so stupid. Because I am white and male and I am poor and as low as most low people. This is so offensive to me it is nuts. How can people be so stupid. I know plenty of women who make double as much as me and are not nearly as smart or good as me.

When people say they "don't want politics in X", what they are really saying is " Please, PLEASE just let me have one piece of media entertainment that doesn't tell me about how awesome fags and niggers are. JUST ONE."

People who seek a political message from every piece of entertainment are semen slurping faggots.

>MGS3
>based on the Cold War
>has a female soldier literally called the Mother of Special Forces and the Legendary soldier
>invented CQC
>regularly beat the shit out of Snake
>took down a 6'7 giant in seconds with ease
>literally gave birth in the middle of the battlefield with bullets whizzing by
>nobody cares

>BFV
>shows a female soldier in a 2 minute trailer
>This is going too far, muh strong womyn, muh forced diversity, muh SJWs, this disrespects WW2, etc.

?????????????????

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>it's literally just
no, an allegory is literally figurative

yeah, the only reason anyone would be sick of your preaching is if they disagree
fuck your "friends", they didn't deserve you anyway ;_;

The first one doesn't even make sense. MW2 is anti russia. No one is trying to go to war with russia.
The second one doesn't "expose" anything since it's completely fictional based on a fictional fake society and everyone knows it's fictional.

Unironically this. How many niggers do we need to have shoehorned in our media in the name of political correctness?

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woah I totally wonder what the difference is this is totally irreconcilable

This

no but based Garth Marenghi quote though

And that's why MGS is a piece of garbage liked exclusively by pretentious retards who think weebshit James Bond is "genius writing".
MGS is a dead franchise for a good reason.

Where I come from pride is a family event and everyone takes part. I'm assuming you're from America because most of those pride parades seem to be quite militant and serious.

that guy who plays friar tuck is actually a great actor so probably got the job legitimately

This. The character he is quoting has also said "I'm the only author who has written more books than I have read." He is meant to be a direct lampoon of pseudo-intellectuals like the man unironically quoting him.

Swyer syndrome.

I mean it's not without it's side-effects, but it does happen, doesn't even need to cause down-syndrome all the time.

point in bringing up these rare genetic conditions is that there's actual exceptions to "the gender norm".

I'm not sure even saying "it's mental illness" is a good way of putting it, frankly I'm more or less frustrated by the rhetoric on both sides clouding the fucking waters.

FUCK YOU FAGGOTS.
WHITE PRIDE.

Modern Warfare 2 is anti warmongering, ironically.
The actual bad guy is a US general who artificially created the conflict between the US and Russia so that the US had an excuse to start taking over the rest of the world.

Why don't you just say it in plain terms? I'm getting the vibe that you're running away here.

Nobody is questioning the legitimacy of their acting skills.

literally no one fucking likes niggers. niggers are a meme.

I can't wait until you realize most trannies don't actually want to switch genders they just want to be trannies

it's actually very cleaver subtext ironically enough

But Friar Tuck wasn't black. Why the fuck would he be? It's medieval england.

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boy I sure am proud of all these accomplishments I didn't achieve

>What is historic accuracy?
t.REEEEset Tranny

Fair enough, still annoying though

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VtM:B was very political. It was anti-authoritarian. No matter which way you swing, if you seek the authority to control others, you die. It doesn't matter if you're left or right. Seek power and enjoy the fireworks.

Ok I'll start talking about identity politics, but I'm pretty sure you won't like my opinions on it.

European culture is inherently superior to any others, as demonstrated by the fact the world and other cultures use the International structure they made. In many cases they use their government systems, their trading rules and even their languages. Immigrants are inferiors by default, as leaving their countries and cultural homes is recognising the superiority of the host nation to their own.

Also 13% do 50%.

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Greek mythology and Arthurian lore are both fictional and can be modified based on what the writer wants. There have been inaccurate shit shoved in movies with Greek myths all the time, one of the most famous scenes of Clash of the Titans (1981) had a Kraken, which didn't even exist in Greek mythology, as well as a mechanical owl named Bubo, and no one gave a shit. But have a black guy and now that's too """unrealistic"""

Arthurian lore doesn't even have a canon, Lancelot didn't even exist in the the original myths and was basically a fanfic character by the French

Here’s another harsh truth. The majority of people don’t hate gays and could care less about them.

>white

>"the gender norm"
bullshit propagated by psycho who sexually abused and tortured little kids who later on killed themself, proving his "experiment" false
funny how founding father of bullshit trannies and tranny enables spew was a psycho
i guess an apple doesn't fall far from the tree

The Boss isn't a cartoonish retard running around using a wooden prosthetic arm that somehow has robotic parts to swing a spiked cricket bat on a battlefield.

Also MGS was never advertised as the most historic cold war game ever

It's not unheard of but it's extraordinarily rare and people with these rare genetic disorders are extreme outliers who prove the solidity of the common trend that men have XY chromosomes and women have XX chromosomes with unique brain and body architecture particular to their specializations as part of a sexually dimorphic species. The fact that human DNA cannot flawlessly perform it's functions 100% of the time does not magically mean that a normal man can transform into a normal woman or visa-versa.

It's still there, nigger. If you want to discuss it, go read it. If you won't make such a small show of good will after dismissing it out of hand once already, why in the world would I bother to repeat myself for you?

Eat shit retard nobody likes you and your kind.

but i'm sure you feel awful for all those bad things white people did

>A setting where a man COVERED IN BEES is a an elite soldier, a young soviet man aspires to be a gay cowboy after he meets the sexiest man alive (Naked Snake), a man has ELECTRICAL POWERS, and giant mechs exist
>Yeah a super badass chick totally fits in here

>A setting based on World War II
>Women with anachronistic prosthetic arms are running around with cricket bats (????)
>Director is a liberal who publicly antagonizes series long fans and smugly insists he's on the "Right side of history" (????)

Totally the same thing!

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I don't even blame SJW necessarily. They're been fed this stuff on a plate by the media and it's warping their world view. The same pandering happens on the other side as well.
Most people are still very reasonable and very moderate, but I'm not sure how long it can stay that way with nearly EVERYONE pushing an agenda online and through media outlets.
I just want to play video games. I just want to play a VtMB sequel without seeing this shit in every fucking thread.
These people have an unhealthy obsession with the minutia of politics. Not everything is political; and NO everything apolitical is not political. Remember to sage political threads on Yea Forums.

lol no

lol

That's what they say. But plop a fag doing fag shit in front of them and they'll quickly start to show it.

Here's another harsh truth: people are starting to get of you millennials and your autistic obsession with politics that hasn't brought absolutely anything good.
All you have done is create a climate of tension for literally no reason at all.
You are going to be a deeply hated generation and a lot of people are going to resent you, far more than baby boomers.

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This fucker.

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>European culture
Is a retarded argument to begin with, for 99% of recorded history the countries we see now as "Europe" did not see themselves as one giant entity called Europe and regularly warred and enslaved each other. Greeks called themselves Greeks, Brits called themselves Brits, etc. Ancient Greeks basically saw everyone outside of Greece as barbarians, with the exception of Persians and Egyptians. The concept of "Europe" being one singular entity didn't become massively popular until after WW2 with the arrival of entities like the EU and the rise of globalization, which is ironic because /pol/ always whines about the EU but tries to pnader to some universal European culture

Here is also another truth, most people live by idea of "live and let live" but when tranny fuckers and faggots try to create laws and expect me to agree with their bullshit, it's no longer "let live"
you can do whatever you want, but don't expect me to play your bullshit

Okay, white culture then, fag.

Yet, at same time plenty of your kind feel bad for things they didn't do.

What he means isn't European culture, but the basis of western civilization, which the rest of the world is shaped by.

>nobody gave a shit
yes but only because everybody was playing Half-Life 2 instead of an unfinished,clunky mess that bankrupted the studio that made it

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Doesn't make it your soapbox. Piss off, cunt.

>its fucking self-insert propaganda
This. I don't care about trannies but I fucking hate mary sue projection. Writing a flawless character to project your political agenda in a game about choice and inclusion is retarded. If they're able to write trannies with actual, real and believable faults then that's fine by me. Hits the vibe. When characters start feeling like perfect voices of reason is when things get really fucky. Same goes for jokes. No types of group should be excused from being the butt of jokes. I doubt we're going to see this, because our society is in a stage of compensating by putting group identities on pedestals, but maybe some day.

>battlefield
>historical accuracy.

you'd honestly been better off bitching about the lack of standalone dedicated servers and mod/custom-map-support than
>"REEE GIRLS"
not only would it take away the obvious narrative/bait that EA was trying to use for free promotion it would've actually been a fucking good thing to see happen to BF games since they've gradually been making it ever more impossible to mod.

I don't think it's sensitivity, but hyperconnectivity. Internet is still somewhat new and maybe people are not ready to deal with so many people's bs and opinions on the daily.
Before the internet you hanged with your likeminded people most of the time, and had friends of different beliefs and ideas. Now everything is pushed to everyone at the same time like a kaleidoscope of ideas and some people end up sick of it all. That's, maybe, the reason why people are so hysterical about politics and social issues when it wasn't that big of a deal before.
It's just a theory anyway.

>muh millennials!
Yes yes, because the 60s were never political, the 70s were never political, the 80s were never political, etc.

You're either an underage zoomer who has no clue what they're talking about or a dipshit boomer suffering from dementia

People like you who whine about niggers and fags are the kind of dumbfucks who think that putting a black person in a video game means the game is political.

Established characters being retconned for diversity is bullshit. Imagine if someone made blackpanther white. People would lose their minds even if it is fiction.

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Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done.

In the 60s and 70s people fought for human rights, so that everyone could be free.
Nowadays millennials think themselves to be heroes because there's a movie about a black superhero.

Millennials have no identity and won't have any legacy, they'll be that generation of autistic weirdos who had way too much free time and complained about asinine trash because they had nothing more entertaining to do.

>did not see themselves as one giant entity
when and where did anyone, ever, say that they did?

Then why don't you care when white people play non white roles?

plenty of "my kind" are also white supremacists but that doesn't mean I have an obligation to associate with their views
feeling pride and feeling guilt over shit you had no contribution towards are both equally retarded

>That fucking cope

>Battlefield
>historical accuracy
Battlefield was never historically accurate. BF 1942 had numerous inaccuracies with the weapons used in that period, in some cases including weapons that flat out didn't exist at that time or were seldom used, on top of having a literal jetpack
strategywiki.org/wiki/Battlefield_1942/Weapon_inaccuracies

and BF1 also featured tons of weapons that didn't exist or were prototypes that virtually never saw use, like the Hellriegel

Why does /pol/ pretend to play games?

This

I feel like a big problem with this whole political divide is that people don't like admitting that their side is in the minority. I grew up in a working class background with parents and neighbours who swore that "Things would have to change soon because most people are getting pissed off!". That was over 20 years ago and they're still saying it just as they said it in the 70s.

The reality is that the working class are not the majority, but they rarely mix with people outside of their class so they never see this. They think that most people are like them when in fact most people are not aware of their struggles or their lifestyles. Most people don't know what it's like to be working class nor do they spend a shred of their time thinking about it; they have their own lives and their own concerns to worry about.

A lot of people out there calling for revolution and expecting things to change soon think that they are in greater numbers than they actually are, they use words like 'civil war' and 'civil disorder' to describe what they think will happen when their nonexistent majority is ignored yet again and when confronted with the facts, they will use some kind of bogeyman or scapegoat to explain these things away.

The idea that they are in the majority gives them hope and they find comfort in that, if you try and tell them that they are wrong you will see aggressive cognitive dissonance because the idea that actually nobody fucking cares about their plight and that reality is too tough to swallow.

yeah that's great dude, just ignore the fact almost everywhere not of a cultural European christian background is a backwards medieval shithole

but you are wrong, you are white, therefore white nazi, guilt by association, enjoy it senpai

>Company is against racism
Big shock.

He's really just arguing semantics. What gamers are referring to when they say politics is agenda driven, flag weilding writing. People who play video games are all children and don't understand how to convey their observations properly. People need to move on from the "but all videeyo games have politics" argument, because it's obviously inherently true but it's missing the point. Nothing is resolved by acknowledging that.

>60s, 70s and 80s
>men and women pushing to improve their lives and opportunities

>2010s
>fatasses on the internet pretending shitposting on the internet about videogames as if they were retards fighting over consoles thinking they are "fighting the good fight"

Oh no no no.

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LOL, name one white character taking a designated black persons role in the last two decades.

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>guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I guess it doesn't bucko, take your meds.

think you're missing the point, I'm talking about how cultural institutions simply don't exist.

Well no one cared about it before and now suddenly everyone whines and pretends as if massive modifications to myth have never happened, it seems far more likely that a bunch of underage retards who don't know shit about the culture they purportedly try to defend are making up excuses to whine about black people

I'd rather play video games desu

Okay so you're not interested. I already gave you the opportunity to clarify, but clearly that's beyond you. OK. Have your last word or last insult to not lose face or whatnot, I've seen it a million times before and will no doubt see it another million times again.

>half the population can't put up savings because the salary is bare minimum
>they are not working class
if you only consider the ghetto as working class then yes, they are not the majority.

I don't care about race or identity politics because they are only tools to divide people that should be uniting in class politics. If you keep people focused on race and sexuality then they aren't all rising up against the rich. An earlier post brought up how people in both American political tribes seem to like DE:HR because the politics of it was more about economics and human unity rather than splitting people by white and black or gay and straight. None of that shit mattered, but you saw a lot of how the poor are kept down by aristocratic control over new technology, and you even technically saw it from "the bad guy" perspective.

So when you just force "a gay guy" or "a black guy" or "a MtF transgendered person" with no context and with an in your face amount of bluntness about what they are, it comes off as pandering. It's not representation because nothing that matters about the character is exposed. The kind of person ONLY interested in representation will be appeased by the rich if a table has 10 people all of different races and colors so they can call it "diverse," but in reality it's still all rich people or all poor people.

>I guess it doesn't bucko, take your meds.
>no u
you are not even trying, it's ok man, it's ok, things will get better eventually for you, one day

did the black kids bully you for being autistic again user?

>They literally mention Bush and the Republicans in there
"They" don't mention it. They just give the player the option to mention it. The game gives you options, you don't have to pick them.

"""Europeans""" literally warred with each other over what Christianity was "right"
>what is Protestantism

I don't doubt that you have, jousting over the last word is all you've been doing since my first post.

Oh shit fellow millennials, it's another politics thread, lets see who wins this race to become the most offended.

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Here's the main difference. As I mentioned, VtM:B had political messages. Fuck authoritarians and don't trust the Chinese.

Indeed, but we're living in a period where you will get thrown under the bus simply for being white, the anti-white narrative doesn't care if you're not some supremacist sperg.

spectator.co.uk/2019/03/what-happened-when-an-innocent-christian-preacher-was-accused-of-islamophobia/

Close enough, not even preaching about something controversial (and not even white)

then why ain't you playing you busta
currently playing GTA SA, it's still a great game, you straight busta

yeah that's not even what i said though is it

Why anyone expects any form of artistic merit or coherent thought out of the Swedish desolation at this point is beyond me

>Darkplace reference
Pretty based, especially seeing how many brainlets on Yea Forums are falling for this.

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so can swedes just not handle any bants? Feels like they are more pussy then people at this point.

Yeah, and they don't give you any options to mention Democrats. If you select Bush the bartender in that scene acknowledges that you committed the worst sin

>it gives you options, you don't have to pick them
Same shit with gender pronouns

rationality has no place here, user
you're wasting your time

Will Smith playing the Genie

Maybe in your country, but not where I'm from. Doesn't America have the same issue with the popular vote? They can't take the idea that Trump lost so they fall back on the ol' immigrants must have done it scapegoat.

>blacks
>in my country
I've seen your american youth only on TV, why are you so obssesed about them?

Do they give out medals for this type of shit? Wouldn't the least fucked up one just win?

the anti white narrative can do what it likes, I have bigger problems to think about
but I am
jackpot

big difference you have to know quite a lot abou WW2 to see historical inaccuracies in weapons hell not even living WW2 vets could spot all of that however it very easy to sport blatant historical inaccuracies such as a disabled woman and black female nazi's fighting on western front of WW2

This

>Even leading politicians have expressed that opinion on TV
...and received a massive torrent of abuse for expressing it

Face it, we send people to prison for words here. We are not free or advanced.

>In the 60s and 70s people fought for human rights, so that everyone could be free.
Bull fucking shit. That was the time of black power, racial self segregation and political tension. Fuck off with this revisionist civil rights malarky.

Desperate semantics taken to the extreme.
Is having characters that are male and female political? Our politics and society function around that concept, but that's essentially a natural order of things.

Yes, everything can be 0.01% echoed into politics. It still doesn't matter shit.

You have no obligation to write shit on a political lense for the sake of making politics a point, you have no obligation to force a representation standard, you have no obligation to maintain optics, you have no obligation to dispell yourself from concepts you grew up with and were present for the entirety of your life (prime example: most male white writers have been surrounded by male friends most of their lives - that is not political - race and gender association is observed across all living species, all human societies, all tribes.)

Standard for quality has always been agreed upon that forcing things other than what you want to do will be what decreases quality. Forcing quotas ends up being more detrimental than what good any SJW believes it does, and this reflects in the sales and reception, coming off as non-genuine, forced, non-coherent.

tl;dr the current lense SJW use right now is too exaggerated and skewed towards over-representing minorities, to make up for the fact that others historically didn't. This is why they go broke. It's objectively bad as you don't poll everything into one mix then divide by average. Each work exists within itself. Stop doing this overcompensation shit.

Won anything yet?

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And all those extremist groups were rightfully crushed down.
Why aren't we sending in the military everytime neo-nazis, antifa or feminists have some political rally?
They are all pretty much terrorists.

>jetpack
in the scifi expansion, you neglect to mention

>with that i mean that the topic you posted OP is impossible to discuss without it immediately devolving into the specifics of the political discourse and that the topic there gave little room for actual things that are specific to videogames.
Ever since the elections i think it is poor form to even go to that territory as you know it will devolve into autistic redpilling, shitflinging derailment. Those things are better discussed, are allowed to be discussed (as in i've done so before and WAY more civil and insightful than here) on the /pol/ board.

Do. Not. Shit. Where. You. Eat.

But saying that Battlefield was bad because it was "political" (read includes women) is just giving EA and Dice (assuming it wasn't all a publishing fuckup) an excuse to make bad games, which is my issue.
For the future of gaming, including women is a good thing, so that's like the only redeeming factor Battlefield V has.

No, you asked why I don't care about whitewashing. I don't care about something that hasn't been an issue in the last thirty years.

There're only 2 genders.
If your game has the option for more you're picking sides and spreading left wing propaganda.

>remove kebab is racist so anyone using it is racist and will be b&
>uses Constantinople instead of Instanbul
0 self awareness

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>the anti white narrative can do what it likes, I have bigger problems to think about
I wasn't being pedantic when talking about (You).

You can't say they didn't have a real goal in mind though.
Millennial activists have no goal, they take part in politics to stroke their own ego about how much they are changing the world and how much of a heroes they are.
And everytime something actually happens, they all go
>LOOK, I DID THAT, IM SO DAMN IMPORTANT GUYS LOOK

>1900's 20's, 30's, 50's 60's 70's and 80's
>people high as fuck on everything from weed to cocaine to fucking heroin fill their lives with self-centered bullshit, be it banal entertainment, political debates, or idiotic and amoral foreign adventures.
>only time to take a break from it was in massive slaughterfests that left millions dead, millions homeless, and destroyed massive amounts of potential both culturally and scientifically.