Gog is not the answer

Steam is dominant, and has far worse policies.
Epic will be dominant, and has far worse policies.
While GOG may not be perfect in your eyes, tearing down and destroying the group that gives the consumer the best deal will not help anyone. If GOG went out of business, do you think Steam and Epic will suddenly decide DRM is bad? Won't it be just the opposite?

we need to support gog so we get to download drm free games from piratebay to begin with you fucking mongloid. fuck your cracked games with virus and miners installed and whatnot

>if they find out
that's retarded lmao don't tell them problem solved

>isn't that the sole reason you want your games to be drm free?
No. The major reason I like DRM-free games it's because it doesn't needs Internet activation.
>You want to be a goodie boy that is tied not by drm but by terms of service instead?
With Steam and Epic I'm tied by both.

>With Steam and Epic I'm tied by both.
Lesser evil is not good

The bugmen have acknowledged GOG.

When there's a better deal available and devs still get money, I will take it. Otherwise, I will stick with GOG.com

>Epic will be dominant
lol

Has there been a single documented case of GOG locking an account after discovering it copied and shared a game?

just pirate

Fuck off with your store wars already, jesus.

Yeah, no. I'm perfecty fine with GOG's business model.

Everything you need to know about Terms and Conditions and EULAs is that they are not worth the prices of traffic/paper they are printed in.

No matter what terms the service/product provider wrote there and you clicked them - unless you are United Slaves of America citizen, you are not bound by them. This applies to both buying games and the terms you "agree" to while installing them

OP is sad and misguided. The transaction with GOG is as simple as that - you paid, you downloaded the game, its over. Neither side has any obligations beyound that, and customer happens to have the basic customer rights agreed by the local country laws.

I don't know how they would enforce it. If they see someone playing a game that they didn't buy, they don't know whether they downloaded it from a torrent or if they are just sharing across accounts with a friend or relative.

The biggest upside with GOG is its' own launchers that you can copy to a drive and install after GOG dies off. With normal DRM that's not possible unless the devs make it so themselves.
In any case, you don't own the code, you own the license to use the code in a very specific manner even if you did buy a hard copy.
When Steam dies off eventually, you won't be able to play the games that were tied to your account, but that isn't the case with GOG games.

Actually a number of steam games run without the client and can be straight up copied from the installation folder. Problem is they NEVER tell you which ones.

>Yeah, sure, they can't manipulate your installers once you download them, but they are allowed to lock your account and all the games you paid for if they find out you ever shared a game or installed it in another computer, do you really want to promote that?
When y ou purchase software you buy a liscence for yourself and that is it (unless it's an enterprise liscence or something like that for Office/Windows etc). Of course you're not supposed to fucking share it, how retarded are you.

They don't seem to give a fuck if you use torrented GOG games through Galaxy, even

>steam has far worse policies
no it doesnt

I'm pretty sure they're well aware people share the installers and just put that there for legality's sake. The fact that I can buy a game and just pass my friend a USB and get some LAN multiplayer going is a selling point if anything.

>if you say bad things in online games, all your games might be locked as a consequence
This is a good thing and a very, very bad thing.

Not really, you buy a service - and the service is to download a game.

You only buy license if its excplicitely agreed upon and the seller actually has means to enforce the license limitations. Trying to circumvent them (i.e. using keygen/hack) would be violation of it - however using product in any way its not limited naturally to, is not. This includes making copies and sharing.

The contract is only ever binding if you personally NEGOTIATED it terms while making it. Anything you ever click while buying/installing software is non binding everywhere other than US (and even there case by case as it does not count as binding agrement, but guideline).

If you buy a license, its explicitely stated you buy a license and terms of its use. This works for example in MMOs - game publisher can write there anything in their favor, and ban/suspend you for absolute any reason or stop distribution of service alltogether.

On other hand, when you buy an offline game from online store - you litterally only pays for download and are free to do whatever with it except for modifying/hacking it (which counts as violation by law).

Bullshit. U can download every video game from there and OWN IT, copy it to disc, do pendrive etc. Is yours, u propagandist faggot.

Most, if not all, games and programs are license based services. You are indeed paying for a license to use said game/program which makes sharing and modification illegal.
By sharing and modification I mean distributing the code or modifying it and selling it as your own. Copyright law treats code like books in a way that you can't change up the words with synonyms and try to claim it as your own. Snippets are allowed to copy but code that functions by itself is not.

you don't know how software licensing works

Is what publishers would like it to be like, but is not since they have absolutely zero means to enforce it and claim validity of their "licences".

Except on GOG you literally pay for the rights for you to use it. Not your friend, not the 1000 people you share it with via MEGA etc...

Fuck off.

Ah yes, of course, as soon as the store disbands they'll send a band of Pollacks to shoot up everyone who saved their games on hard drives
fuck off you retard

Just because they can't enforce it doesn't mean that isn't the terms of the agreement.

So yes, GOG are well within their rights to shut you down of they somehow find you broke their terms.

No, you pay for fact of being able to download a game. That it. Everything else is non enforcable bullshit that can't stand any legal proof.

Terms of Agreement are void to begin with - why are you bringing them up? This is the whole point - they are nothing but paper/pointless text. They hold no legal power whatsoever.

Wait, modding games are violations of the law? Is this a blanket law for every game?

Yes it is, unless explicitely agreed upon. Datamining is as well.

Then why are Nexus, Loverslab, and WADs not taken down yet? Did Todd and EA explicitly agree to let modders put big tittied girls in it?

>I want to pirate and they shouldn't be able to stop me!!!

Give it up you fucking retard, you can't even put a sentence together properly.

They hold legal power but everywhere aside from the US, courts are biased towards the consumer because of local trade laws. They CAN shut you down but you can dispute it and probably get away with it.
Remember that you don't actually own your account either, so GOG is well within their rights to lock you out while you have no legal leverage to counteract that.
Claiming that Terms of Agreement are void to begin with just reveals how little you know because Terms of Agreement IS a legal agreement everywhere in the world. The content of it is what differentiates legally depending on where you live.

Hosting mods, which are not modifications of the original game files themselves, is legal. Modding itself, however, is not unless explicitly agreed upon.

because its pointless and pain to enforce?

Please abstain from ever commenting anything law related if you have zero clue about it.

One has to differenciate a product and service. Agreeing upon a service, benefit is practically always on provider side. If you purchase a product, customer is the one in winning position.

As for ToS - you are clueless. Its not binding even in US (also it can be used as guideline in legal cases). A contract has clear signs and rules and neither ToS or EULAs fall under them. More even, not even every actuall printed contract you personally signed by hand and put your stamp on is automatically legally binding.

Just give up.

If you download your offline installer once, you already have more control over the game than you did with the damn physical. On top of that, you get an online account with readily available spare backup of your purchase.

Ah good old autism over GoG again. I miss threads like theses.

Stop talking to the retard, let it die.

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I don't know where you live but most of what you said is bullshit. I'm also not going to sit here and argue with you about how the law works because you seem to have no idea.
Educate yourself, user. It's never a bad idea.

>mods are not modifications of the original game files
I don't understand, what do you mean by that? Only mods that affect original files are illegal, or only the act of the orignal modding? Which law states it's illegal if T&C is mostly unbinding?

>Gog-chan: woah, nani the fuck? You think you own gamu? No no no, *locks account for breaking tos* OwO enjoy your old and wasted copy ÒwÓ, thanks for the monnies

>If our Chinese masters want a monopoly of PC distribution in the west we need to destroy all the competition not just valve.

Could you bugmen be any less subtle?

Complete absence of arguments.

I see you're not talking about steam

>Which law states it's illegal if T&C is mostly unbinding?
This is untrue. They are all binding legal contracts but the fact how little they are enforced is another matter. The reason why it is illegal to mod is to prevent people from copying the code of a game/program, making small adjustments so it barely resembles the original and call it their own.
Other than that, modding as an act is indeed illegal and so is sharing the original game files/code. No company actually enforces the modding laws because the mods in question are not competitors to the original software.

fuck off chink

But the original post I replied to said that the contract is only binding if I negotiated to the terms. I kind of understand why it's illegal to mod now though, it's a good thing WADs didn't get taken down back then

>People are still replying to that one autist for which his entire life and everything that surrounds him is one big drm.

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>games are DRM free
>get to download the installer
I don't even understand how you could possibly be more retarded

Read the post you originally replied to again. It clearly says modding is not LEGAL UNLESS explicitly agreed upon, which means UNLESS the devs literally state "Modifications of the product(s) is allowed", it is illegal to mod.

What are you replying to, user? You can download the installers from GOG and they can be run on any machine. I'm pretty sure that counts as DRM-free.

>you are FORBIDDEN from sharing and hoarding your games, isn't that the sole reason you want your games to be drm free? To keep your shit?
But they do not and cannot enforce that, so it's exactly the same as owning them. It's legalise rubbish to sell to publishers, as far as the customer is concerned you do own the game, at least as much as if you bought it on DRM-free disc back in the day, and they can't take it away once you've got it.

What's the point on using their store if you are still willingly breaking their terms? Are you retarded?

Are you? You're the one that thinks unenforced terms mean literally anything to the end user.

If you mean 'why not pirate', well that's the default sane option anyway with GOG just being a way to add to sale statistics when you want to show support for a specific game without also saying 'I like being fucked in the bum'.

Still no better than buying directly from the developers instead of giving any % to Gog

What does locking/deactivating the account do if the installers don't even check for accounts? Isn't it the same as getting kicked out of a store but you still have what you bought from before?

based retard

You get stuck with an unsupported un-updatable version of the game, if you want support and a newer version of it you either have to be a good boy and buy it again in another account or pirate

If that's an actual option then that's just dandy m80. I very much doubt it often is, though. Usually you'd have to buy from one of the big content delivery systems and the absolute least of a now many evils is clearly GOG because their terms & conditions bumfucks are only meaningless theory, not practiced.

But you still have the product. It's like losing warranty.

Pretty much.

Do you go to the dairy farm to buy your milk? Or to the Vietnamese sweatshop to buy your shoes? Stores exist because it’s convient for the makers of products to not sell to the consumer directly. The store maintains the game, displays it for consumers, and handles any problems that arise in purchase.

holy shit these epic shills are getting desperate.

If I buy a pair of jeans I don’t expect the store to come and fix them if I get a rip. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Not the anons you replied to, but this is a bad comparison since we're talking about online stores.
There are millions of companies ranging from small to huge that sell their goods online directly to consumers.
The real reason why you'd use something like Steam or GoG is because they're well established and frequented marketplaces that have built a name for themselves.
>a physical product is the same as a non-tangible product
You are not thinking this argument through.

What if the store provides a lifetime guarantee on repairs? Now imagine going into the middle of the store and taking a huge shit on the floor. You get banned and lose the ability to take advantage of said guarantee.

>The real reason
M8, you basically said what I was saying in a different way.

That would be fair since you have a good reason for banning the customer. The problem isn’t banning in itself, but the fact that customers might be banned for bullshit reasons.

Alternatively: talk shit about the manager, get kicked out.

How do you differentiate between owning and not owning?
By somebody telling you you own something?
A physical object?
A legal contract?

You said it was because a store would make it have less maintenance. I said that the reason is because the stores are where the customers are at.
There is a difference between what we said.

difference between possesion and ownership

Something I own is something I can sell if I decide I no longer need it. If I buy a car and I don't need it I can sell it to someone who does. I own that car until I sell it.

That’s obviously a bullshit reason and then should either refund your purchase(s) or allow you to get your product updated without directly being allowed into the store (dropping it off, etc.).

>buying digital
fucking lmao

Examples? I use gamer words in all VALVE games and never received a VAC or locked account of any way.

I didn’t say anything about less maintenance, I said the store handles maintenance so the manufacturer doesn’t have to worry about it.

Nobody reported you.

fuck off with this store wars bullshit already

The fact that you haven't been banned doesn't mean others haven't.
Exactly. There is less maintenance for the manufacturer, but there is nothing stopping them from selling a software directly to consumer through their own website.
The only reason they use Steam and the like is because the people who buy games frequent them already.
Customer acquisition price is cut significantly and that's what I mean instead of shifting maintenance and upkeep to the store.

>You want to be a goodie boy that is tied not by drm but by terms of service instead?
Are you fucking kidding me? you never get ownership over any software, you're only
allowed to use it. No-drm and a eula is the best you can get.

Start your fucking stream.

If you decided to sell your digital copy of a game and could prove you didn’t retain the copy on your hard drive or anywhere the court would in all likelihood uphold the sale, no matter what bullshit they put in the EULA.

I've sold plenty of games and even old versions of Windows on CD/floppy. To me that's ownership. Specifically, the transfer of ownership.

You don't own digital. That's the entire point of this thread.

Why lie on the internet user?
DRM free means exactly that you can store and install on as many computers as you want.
Heck, some of their relatively recent advertizing against DRM clients like Steam said something along the lines of "download the installer, make backups, install on multiple machine, you're free"

support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-User-Agreement

>Forbidden from sharing
Well, duh.
>Forbidden from hoarding
????????
This is just straight out of your ass

Good luck arguing that when it comes to digital games.

Nowhere it is mentioned I can't store the installers where i want(they even say that if they were to interrupt the service, they'll give a 2 months notice so that you can download and store all your games).
Nowhere it is said that i can't install the games on multiple machines if i so desire.
Thanks for proving my point.
DRM means Digital Rights Management.
DRM Free, aka No Digital Rights Management, means they dont manage my rights to use the installers as i desire, as long as it doesnt break the law, which in case of DRM Free games, is limited to not alter, modify, or redistribute the software.
So again, DRM Free = i can store as many games as i want and can install it on as many computers as i want.

You can't own digital copies of any software because there's an infinite amount of "stock". It's like saying you can own a number.

Don't bother talking to him, if he's not getting game for free materialized in front of him it means it have drm.

In retrospect: DRM-free physical release (without day 1 patches and the complete content) > DRM-free digital release > DRM'd digital release > DRM'd physical release.

I think user said everything there is to say.