Dwarf Fortress goes full SJW (tranny dwarves) and censors any dissent

Hope you weren't retarded enough to buy it on (((Steam))) or you got what you deserved

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>It was confirmed by Bay 12 Games in a tweet that was posted up on March 16th, 2019 that Dwarf Fortress would feature trans dwarves.

>The Twitter user who requested the trans dwarves replied on behalf of Bay 12 Games, stating that it was about gender identity and expression rather than serving any sort of meaningful, functional purpose.

>This sort of decision did not go over well with plenty of gamers, who did not see the point in adding the feature. However, people who began to criticize the decision were promptly blocked by Bay 12 Games.

>However, gamers soon found out that the Steam forums was no bastion for the freedom of expression they thought they would be afforded away from the restrictive quarantine of Twitter.

>Any attempts to broach the topic within the Dwarf Fortress community on Steam was for naught because discussing this developmental feature is not allowed on the Steam forums.

>That’s right, even though the developer decided to add trans dwarves to the game, discussing any kind of politics is forbidden, including identitarianism and sociopolitics. On March 15th, 2019 the developers pinned a post on the Steam forums, which reads…

>"To be clear: it’s okay to have doubts, criticize, or analyze what we’re doing with the Steam version of Dwarf Fortress or us as publishers SO LONG AS YOU STAY RESPECTFUL. “We may retroactively modify the rules if an issue comes up that isn’t covered in the above.”

>So the TL;DR of the matter is this: Bay 12 Games acquiesced a request for including trans dwarves in Dwarf Fortress. Some gamers didn’t like this decision and voiced criticism of the decision, for which Bay 12 Games promptly blocked them on Twitter. Making threads about it on the Steam forums that could come off as “divisive” are also prohibited.

Top fucking kek

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Had a feeling they’d do this when it arrived on Steam.

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"Transexual miners will no longer swallow live babies" type patch notes when?

You're busting my balls buddy.

Can i send them to concentration camps?

Elves are better and this is proof

>a fantasy world simulator where cats can get drunk from stepping in alcohol
>transgendered characters is going too far

It's supposed to be a fantasy not a nightmare.

based

So you're telling me I can have an actual nazi regime that kills gays, trannies and cripples now?!

SOLD.

As usual leftists are completely destroying any form of discussion in order to push their sole view of what's right. All children are gonna be trans in the future and they'll be designated a black bull if modern leftists got their way

Why are people complaining about trans dwarves being in and not them being poorly implemented?

DF is a hyper complex game, them just slapping Trans on a dwarf and calling it a day is extremely shallow and insulting by comparison. Trans related events need to be implemented too, as well as birth and etc

it's dwarf fort, so yes you can. although i don't know if it's possible to work a dwarf to death.

Fuck you, this is a space jin thread.

My Fortress will make every attempt to weed out undesirables who can't adapt to corporate culture

But you can drop the transgendered dwarfs in lava, or feed them to ogres or whatever.

Okay when did Cirno get so fat?

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This being dwarf fortress ill make sure to eliminate the trannies in a suitable way.

Im hesitating between giving a permanent bleeding wound, oozing miasma to every trans dwarf ( representing their removed dick) that slowly drains them of blood or making transfagottry instantly turn the dwarf melancholic so they kill themselves soon after.

Please sgare your ideas, Yea Forums !

>spacejim

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Why does /pol/ get triggered by everything?

It must be so tiring to be constantly thinking about trannies all the time.

Oh boy, cock and ball torture thread

Who cares post more spacejin

>literally talks about wanting to torture and kill trans people
>wonders why no one ever caters to them
lmoa Yea Forumseddit

30Z level drop. I call it the baghdad special.

>get a trans dwarf migrant
>throw it into the lava pit

problem solved

its odd, toady never seemed like one to bow to sjws

Yea Forums talks more about sucking each other off than actually hating trannies

Is better than this /pol/ shit.

But dwarf fortress will cater to that. Trannies wanted to be in, so they are fair game.

>we can no longer have dwarf fortress threads anymore

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Seething tranny crying to therapist over this post

You retarded mongs obviously never heard Toady talking about any kind of suggestion ever, he literally never says no because he's autistic.

Just murder them, and make sure to screencap this post and copy it so you can post it as a proof of their oppression for your next hit piece on your blog.

I don't understand the distinction of trans here. A trans person is still either a man or a woman, even if it's a man who feels like a woman, or a woman who feels like a man. There's no breaching the binary, even "non-binary" sorts still choose to adhere to a set of gender roles one way or another.

But there I go thinking what's between your legs isn't the chief thing of importance in life.

When was the last time we've even had one?

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A lot of conservative people loved the original game, that's why. Especially christians will be upset about godless sodomites and self harming dick cutting loonies.
Also Dwarf Fortress is like number 1 top rated nerd game in Yea Forums's most closed anti-social circles of people who are out of this world enough to figure out the controls in ASCII strategy, and they are all conservatives.

There will be threads about stupid updates like this every week.

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>spacejin

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>“divisive”
>plenty of gamers
>some gamers

what did the article writer mean by this

So make it into your fantasy. If you hate trannies so much, deal with tranny dwarves in your fort as you see fit.

Why murder them when you can just set their raw for instant fiery explosion? Have trans instantly explode in a flaming ball of limbs has they convert has never been easier

>godless sodomites
You don't even realize how autistic you sound, sad
Also please explain to me how this impacts your dwarf fortress experience in any way

Careful now user, that kind of thinking is dangerous and going to be illegal in a few short years

you can have them, they'll just be made by outrage chasers like op from now on

Why don't trans people just play cis characters?
It's just like a trans character but without the terrible debuffs

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What a load of conjecture

because Yea Forums is reactionary. Yea Forums is no different, except instead of trannies you get triggered by Fortnite.
I remember when playing Overwatch was expected of any Yea Forumsirgin, before it became wildly popular. we wouldn't have daily Risk of Rain threads if it ever blew up.

Being trans is a -6 int debuff, so they never figure it out

why does Yea Forums get triggered by woke political agendas in aaa games but then defend indie shit for doing the exact same thing?

The only people cheering this are trannies. All 20 of them. Only 2 of them actually play the game.

>I remember when playing Overwatch was expected of any Yea Forumsirgin
what is this historical revisionism

With all the random shit that gets added to the "game" and considering it's basically just a random event generator, it makes sense that a dwarf or two would be trans here or there.

I can't wait to kill off all the cis-dwarves and create my ideal utopia of trans-dwarves all so I can flood the fort with lava and start it all over again

>Also please explain to me how this impacts your dwarf fortress experience in any way
time spent in this useless feature could be better spent elsewhere. the same people requesting it shamelessly admit they have no interest in the mechanics themselves, but rather just want another "win" to brag about. I doubt most of them even play the fucking game.
shoehorning politics is /never/ a good thing.

>Because why not
Oh so now it's okay for the dev to do what he wants? Next time we get Sexy big titty woman in a game can we use the same argument? Fuck off.

>I remember when playing Overwatch was expected of any Yea Forumsirgin,

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>tranmy dwarves
MERMAID CONCENTRATION CAMPS 2.0
dont you fags see that this is based

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desu if there's an option to just not have the tranny and intersex dwarves I wouldn't care too much.

Let me guess. Mouse support will be added in celebration of mentally disabled people and combating ableism? I can see that coming.

God I wish that was me

>I remember when playing Overwatch was expected of any Yea Forumsirgin

except everyone on Yea Forums shat on it for not being up to the "competitive FPS standard" due to low framerate and all that autistic shit.

Take notes people, these casual tourists are the type of people calling Yea Forums "reactionary".

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>he thinks mouse support is a bad thing
based retard

I don't mind trannies, but you just KNOW they're gonna make them a protected class or some shit

the game is fucking garbage, they are doing this for attention. stop giving it to them, the more you make this a viable advertising method the more they will do it

IMAGINE being a dorffag

before I clicked post I knew someone would say that.
no, fag. when Overwatch launched and for a brief time before it became cancerous, Overwatch was wildly popular right here, on Yea Forums. people discussing techniques, possible buffs, etc. I even remember people defending it to some extent before it was completely lost to Tumblr and esports.

>Thought Spacejin was a ball hating cbt cuck.
>All of his cg is lovey dovey sex with the ball crushing being consensual and reversible.

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I love how the representation and inclusion of trannies is in and of itself transphobic
you'll never be the gender you want to be, you're a "tranny" now

Never played DF but is such a thing possible already or no? Like can you mod it so you get no faggot dwarves?

Personally I'd like to be meiling here

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Autistic people are all retarded liberals,what did you expect?

There's a problem facing all levels of dwarven society, and it's not insufficient alcohol production or elves. We'll just mod them out if we're not feeling down to earth real life dwarves with actual problems.

been here since 2005, Yea Forums has always been reactionary. or have you already forgotten we used to lean left?

I will have fun killing and slaving mentally ill dwarfs

>Not seeing this as an opportunity to torture, castrate and execute trannies in every exquisite way possible
Niggas you have no imagination

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Oh nooo
It's not like any of you complainers actually played the game.

Dorf Fort has been ridiculously detailed simulationist since its inception and that's what people like about it. Trans people exist, so it makes sense for them to exist in Dorf Fort.

This is going to be easy to add, right? Add an extra tag to say whether a dorf is trans and let them switch genders or whatever. It can probably be added in a day, and you guys will forget about it and go back to sucking each other off in vrchat

>people complimented overwatch in the only period of time it was somewhat good
>this means playing overwatch was "expected of any Yea Forumsirgin"
It was FOTM, you make it seem like some classic

I am not buying your bullshit you idpol shill, everyone in this thread called you out and your only defense is "dude I have been here since X year!!!!"

shut the fuck up and wait for another thread when the slate is clean.

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Waste of time. Trannies are a minority in the human race. People who play DF are a minority. Trannies who play DF are a minority in a minority in a minority. Probably .001% of the fan base.

Is the steam version just as modable? Does it still look like autistic trash with the worst UI/UX in gaming?

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>time spent in this useless feature could be better spent elsewhere
Yet no one gets nearly this mad about any other useless feature
>Shoehorning politics
There are no politics being shoehorned
It's funny how Yea Forums doesn't consider a shit ton of while male protags shoehorned but 1 minority/ women and it's "TEH ESS JAY DOUBLE U'S"
You fucking autist

>be 40 year old permavirgin
>get girlfriend
>immediately put trannies in mining game

Many of us who actually play the game saw the opportunity instantly. Trannies and other defect didnt.

kek

>I remember when playing Overwatch was expected of any Yea Forumsirgin
What reality are you living on

Cirno is the strongest. Also Dwarves reproduce through spores so it's stupid that they have genders to begin with.
Also: Subject line + gender politics shit = some lost retard from 8gag started the thread.

Unironically Rimworld is a better game. DF is just wacky RNG shit. It's barely a game. All you do is make toys/crafts and you can buy almost everything you need. You can handle most external threats with a winding hallway filled with traps. After that, you pretty much just wait until FPS death or some wacky RNG event happens.

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it was fotm for a few months before it blew up and only then Yea Forums gave up on it.

check the archives then you fucking moron. Yea Forums used to be left-leaning until some point around Obama.
we also used to unironically type emoticons but of course you wouldn't know that.

*Dabs on you in 3d*

That is pretty hot

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Isn't there death camps, torture chambers, using people as bait for wars and shit in DF? Trannies are gonna go ballistic when they realize this.

>feign ignorance
>oversimplification
>whataboutism

do go on please, keep pulling your arguing points and let everyone sane here see through your garbage.

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But you wait for wacky rng events to happen in Rimjobworld too.

Nah Rimworld is sjw as well because it has gays

>add trannies in
>every actual dorf fort player slaughters them
>NO NO NO TAKE US OUT OF THE GAME NOW!!
you guys realize theyre trying to be put into the game so they can play the victim and say dorf fort is muh evil nazi game right

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>keeps on doubling down on the "I wuz old fag n shieet and don't need to explain shit"
>still doesn't acknowledge Yea Forums has threads and threads shatting on Overwatch when the public beta was out and mindlessly claim Yea Forums loves Overwatch until the "REEEE CONTRARIAN" kicks in

embrassing

>Rimworld
>literally punishes you for doing well instead of simulating a world with dynamic interactions

Trash.

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the gays die

Yes but it still has gays which is sjw

>Reddit spacing
>Saying "whatboutism" unironically
Go back to /r/The_Donald please
Nice job ignoring all my points you autist

you're gay

>Yet no one gets nearly this mad about any other useless feature
name one. this is literally having tranny dwarfs for the sake of having them. I can't honestly think of a more useless "feature"

>There are no politics being shoehorned
if you believe for a second that tranny dwarfs is the natural progression of the game then you're either a shill or just really fucking dumb
no politics in Bloodlines 2 either, right? the devs just naturally thought of pronouns, right?

I thought trannies just simply play the other gender from the start. I mean, isn't that what they identify as? Why even bother bringing attention to the trans part?

You whiny faggots don't play DF and you don't know Toady.

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How do actual dwarf fort fans feel that there will more threads on Yea Forums but it will always be about some literally insignificant "feature".
Also it's fucking dorf fort. You can round up all the trannies and toss them into an arena with the smoke monster from Lost and have their limbs rot off from touch its dust.

And so much more! My first personnal go will be to accelerate a trans dwarf using minecarts to VERY high speed then launch him at a fortification to see if i can squeeze the soon to be broken mass of flesh through the slot

DF isn't supposed to be a nightmare?
Have you even played it?

Buff you wanted to mean

check the archives then and see for yourself, jesus fucking christ.
Yea Forums shat on Skyrim when it came out despite being hyped for it and quickly dropped the game, even before it became popular.
but Yea Forums stuck with Overwatch despite calling it shit, hoping it'd improve. it was only dropped after socjus got their hooks in it.

Anyone familiar with bay12 knows that bay12 is a SJW shithole.
Dwarf Fortress's fans think of optimisation and autism as bad things. They believe they should be able to play the game without even -trying- to improve and get good.
Their opinion towards gameplay extends to their politics. They think you shouldn't have to improve your opinions, and that you should get just as much respect even if your opinions are wrong.
It's not surprising, then.

>Yea Forums is one person lmao
based

Just do think before you crossboard and keep this discussion on Yea Forums, at /vg/ people try to discuss the actual gameplay of games. :^)

daily threads reaching the limit for months
yeah, one person, just one

I am not reading anything except "JUST TRUST ME BRO".

You made a claim and it's your job to back it up.

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yes nigger, one

> for the sake of having them
I never got this argument
A race/sexuality/whatever doesn't need a reason to exist in a game you monogloid
No one ever does that to white male protags
>if you believe for a second that tranny dwarfs is the natural progression of the game then you're either a shill or just really fucking dumb
Explain to me what politics and why you care
>no politics in Bloodlines 2 either, right? the devs just naturally thought of pronouns, right?
Correct

>trannies get added
>they have constant mental breaks and overall are a burden on dwarven society

>Sending transdorfs out into the toxic zombifying cloud
>Sending transdorfs to fight cave monsters barehanded
I see no problems here

I get the impression that people wouldn't give a single flying fuck if pronoun and pregnancy were desynched in the game files. Dwarf Fortress models all sorts of stuff completely tangential to gameplay. It's the YOU MUST HAVE THIS BELIEF OR DIE that's gonna piss them off.
Also why isn't archive.is loading for me?

You all joke but the tranny dwarves will be a protected class that can't intentionally be killed by the player.

>A race/sexuality/whatever doesn't need a reason to exist in a game you monogloid
breeding
>Explain to me what politics and why you care
the current state of affairs is that you have to have minorities in your production or you're a misogynist racist homophobe
that's wrong
>Correct
I wish I read that before I typed this post because you're clearly just a faggot shill

>breeding
This but gays were enough to cover that. Trannies add nothing new.

want to know how I know you've never played?

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that's not how burden of proof works. you're the one making absurd claims, hence it's you who have to back them up, not me.
it's common knowledge that Yea Forums was left-leaning in the past and that Yea Forums played Overwatch for months.

>Breeding
?
> you have to have minorities in your production or you're a misogynist racist homophobe
No one says this except fringe retards
Furthermore that's the exact same way this place reacts
>if you have any minorities in your game you're an sjw cuck who hates white men
>You're clearly just a faggot shill
"Muh shill" is the easiest way to reveal you're a retard

We have access to raws, you mentally defective simpleton.

I'm gonna have trans dwarf huntable. (Not butcherable obviously, eating gay meats is AIDS)

>implying they won't specifically add it.

Eh, dwarf fortress threads devolve into shitposting.
You get militant autists upset that the fucking neurotypicals didn't optimise their bedroom layout and plan their pathing adequately, and you get the militant neurotypicals that keep making excuses for why they don't even try to improve their setup.

When is DF getting to steam? Will it be free?

Saying it outright. Why do you flaunt your lack of knowledge, dude

the games still free on the website, nigger. the steam game is just a donation mechanism.

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>A sexuality doesn't need a reason to exist in a game
how are you going to breed things without a man and a woman you dense motherfucker?
>No one says this except fringe retards
Marvel just spent billions on that notion
it's mainstream now and it's clearly spreading to DF
Bloodlines 2 is beyond salvation for example, whether the game turns out to be good you can't argue there are no politics involved when they're actually working on pronouns as a feature
>"Muh shill" is the easiest way to reveal you're a retard
I'm not the one implying Bloodlines 2 is politics-free when they're literally hiring misandrists.

Zach, toady brother, got cancer so toady put it on there for additional revenue in case it's needed. Not free

She's strong you fag

Cirno looking good

>how are you going to breed things without a man and a woman you dense motherfucker?
The only one whose dense is you,you're the one who brought breeding for no reason
>Marvel just spent billions on that notion
No, they didn't
Also pronouns are not political, stupid, sure but not political
>Literally hiring misandrists
Misandry is a good thing

>representing genital mutilating weirdos who think they're the opposite gender their DNA says they are and their biggest contribution is having a 42% suicide rate.
Anyone for this change is a loonie and probably American.

DF is almost only talked about on /vg/

>Yea Forums has always been reactionary. or have you already forgotten we used to lean left?
Reactionary in political terms means "to the right of conservatives" fyi

hey hey people

>first VTMB goes sjw now this
>Yea Forums will defend this shit
Fucking cucks on this board, christ.

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>you're the one who brought breeding for no reason
Do you know what kind of game Dwarf Fortress is?

haha werezebra haha

>you're the one who brought breeding for no reason
you're the one who said a sexuality has no reason to exist in-game. that's clearly wrong, because you wouldn't be able to breed things without males and females. any other snowflake favor has no reason to exist, indeed.
>No, they didn't
Captain Marvel is inclusive for the sake of being inclusive.
>Also pronouns are not political, stupid, sure but not political
it's almost as if you live in a world where identity politics aren't a thing
a very stupid thing, sure, but a thing nonetheless.
>Misandry is a good thing
so is misogyny
both are arguable and very much political

The conversation was about games in general genius

Video game devs are sucking our cocks and you're standing by helplessly, but sure, I'm the cuck for being okay with that

you too

It'll be easy enough to mod out in dwarf fort. Hell, it could even be fun to kill the trannys. I just hope that dwarfs dont turn over time to being trannys.

dumbest post in this thread

While you might see it as pandering, there is literally nothing wrong with including something like weird-ass trans dwarves if they have their own gameplay mechanics and are different from other dwarves.

The problem with including this shit in video games is that it often serves no purpose, it's there for exactly that - to pander. Saying a character is gay just to fit some agenda is pointless, but what if said if being gay impacts gameplay? What if being a fag in your game means you get some sort of benefit like extra options when dealing with the same sex, or being able to resist seduction/charm moves from those of the opposite?

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Truely based my fellow 4channeler, can't wait for my fort to be full of only stronk womyn and brave trannies!

Gender dysphoria is a condition that brings misery to a shitton of people, and portraying it as a positive thing is downright disgusting.

I'm not a tranny, if anything I'm getting fucked over in the ass.

>like his art
>hate CBT shit

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Do the people who say this ever actually look through his art? It's like 30% CBT

>I can add more dwarves to my death camps.
based Satania poster

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f you dont like the game, just dont play it.
if the game offends you, why dont you make your own game that doesnt have gays, women, jews, (whatevers bugging you)

Well in that scenario, for me to be the cuck, I guess you'd have to be my wife

But that 30% is gross

What has been Cirno eating? Must have some quality proteins...

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> it often serves no purpose,
This is such a retarded argument
Why does need to be a purpose for it?
Irl there's no "purpose" for it
Why do you care if a character happens to be gay or whatever
Did the wave of straight white male protags have a purpose?
No, you're just a hypocrite and an autist

are you cute?

Cbt is great, fuck off

eww

Even in Overwatch's beta, the 20 tickrate and the goddamn ASSFAG-style focus on team composition were highlighted as why the game was bad.
Later the matchmaking system and the bans for "toxicity" were points against buying the game, as you'd be matched with complete faggot nigger retards and you'd be banned if you called a spade a spade.
By that point, the terrible level design being a linear corridor was apparent, and the shields, walls, resurrects, heals, and stuns made it so that the game was very slow paced and individual skill in e.g. aiming or diving was less important than knowing how to press Q.
Around this point, the """e-sports""" scene popped up, and it was artificial and laughable. But still Blizzard tried to push that shit, and people opposed it on principle.

>do gender correction surgery on haunted biome
>get killed by a severed animated penis
Fuck

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Swallow your pride

>Dwarf Fortress doesn't promote bigotry
If he ain't killing all the elves he is playing it wrong

>Add bullshit like trans dwarves
>Players torture them and take screenshots
>Send screenshots to developers
???
>Profit!

lmao

Great. Exactly what we need. More reasons for dwarfs to kill themselves.

Brown Cirno is so ugly

I want Cirno to bust my balls

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't politically loaded, which it is. These character are also always poorly written and gay for the sake of meeting the quota, it's like Rowling:
>Remember this beloved character that I spent decades perfecting?
>He's gay now
>Don't care how that affects him, even if it's negatively, because >muh representation

Also, people naturally gravitate towards white male protags. The left has been screeching about that for years now. It's not to serve an agenda, that's the difference.

this. I'm all for [insert characteristic here] if it actually adds to the fucking game.
If it doesn't? Then shitcan it

nice

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The reason that characters in videogames are typically heterosexual white males is that having the aforementioned do bad shit or have bad shit done to them is acceptable. Killing women, for example, will typically add extra 'edge' points to a game.

Have you ever even heard of this game before?

It's not politclaly loaded, you're just a fucking retard
>people naturally gravitate towards white male protags.
So it's pandering, why is pandering ok when it's white men?
You're lying if you don't think people hold minority/women characters to a much higher standard
half the things that make them "forced" wouldn't be complained about if it was a white man

ACKSHUALLY i started keeping unmarried virgin elven lass and kill the rest. Those lass are trained in military and outfitted in steel, then sent into forest retreat where they are invincible juggernaut due to elven wood equipment being trash.
I see it as both normal and mental warfare, since i send in brainwashed elven virgins murder them AND prove that their wood is good ideology is retarded.

What's it matter, you're getting fucked in the arse by game devs anyway

This is code for "don't include anything but straight white cis men like me"

>drive-by dilating

Oh no wait

"... and the occasional woman but only if she's hot"

>It's not politclaly loaded, you're just a fucking retard
Wait, you actually think they're doing this because they wanted transsexual dwarfs from the beginning? Oh, wow.

It's not like they had over a decade to implement them, right? This shit is as transparent as the Apex Legends roster. Fuck off.

White CISgender protags aren't pandering because there's no agenda to make media more inclusive towards them. Simple as that.

>You're lying if you don't think people hold minority/women characters to a much higher standard
And that's exactly the problem, don't throw historical accuracy out the window just because you want females in wars.

ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST

rip df threads

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no bulli what's cbt

You know you can be passive aggressive all you want but all you're going to do is make people say yeah fuck niggers and fuck you since you project this egoist mentality on everyone. People loved playing cj despite who he was, people love astolfo, just fuck off.

user, dont be retarded, i cant wait to see what you lads come up to mutilate and murder trannies. It can be our own meta megaproject

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>Wait, you actually think they're doing this because they wanted transsexual dwarfs from the beginning? Oh, wow.
The game has been a work in progress for the better part of two decades, do you seriously think every feature and every detail was planned beforehand? No, they're including new things as the fancy strikes them.

>White CISgender protags aren't pandering because there's no agenda to make media more inclusive towards them.
It's pandering to you, innit, considering you complain when, say, the roster looks like Apex Legends'.

Its code for adding trannies doesn't improve the gameplay in anyway

>[insert backstory here]
>btw they're gay
is not good writing you moron

I meant rip DF threads as in any thread about dwarf fortress is not going to exist without tranny politics overshadowing any actual discussion

The dev is adding something he wants that probably won’t even take that much effort so why does anyone care?

God I want a giant woman with huge tits to crush my god damn balls

I want Biriri-ane to get angry at me so fucking much

LMAO 2 GENDERS

FUCKING DORFS MAN

>since you project this egoist mentality on everyone
You can't just say "no u" to everything. If I am arguing for inclusion and you're arguing against it, I literally can't be projecting. I can't be every race, every gender, every sexuality at once.

Great as long as he doesn't make ballbusting shit.

It's nothing to get worked up bout either.

>People love astolfo
He's not trans you dumb retard

but its only the steam version right?

The complaint with apex isnt about the fact that niggers fags spics and agender robots exist in it. The complaint is how in forcing this artistic direction it takes away from the natural flow of the creation process in its themes and focus. That's always been the issue with this and why in peoples complaints they say words such as FORCED.

Aye moria she's bean on th protein

>Muh historical accuracy
Proving my point, no one cares about anything else historically inaccurate but the second they see a woman they suddenly become historians

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That user didn't say he is, you retard.

And the only reason the fancy stroke them is because it's currently the politically correct thing to do. Don't play dumb.

>It's pandering to you
The only way a game would pander to me is if it had no politics at all. But I see your point, and Hatred fits the bill. And to the surprise of no one, it sucked, because it was nothing but a shitty political statement.

Just like tranny dwarfs.

Egoism is a philosophical system of self reference you dumb retard. Ehat I'm saying is you project onto everyone the mentality that the way they think is one of constant self reference and that when they cant self reference with a protagonist they somehow automatically dislike it because it conflicts with this mentality.

funny how it talks about safe spaces. what about MY safe spaces?

- they took comic books from me
- they took tabletop rpgs from me
- they took western vidya games from me
- they took fantasy and sf books from me
- they made sure I can't find refuge in TV shows or movies anymore.
Now they go for borderline arcane games like df

what is a man to do who isn't allowed to relax anymore?

>out of 100 trannies, 99 suicided over this post

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it's detrimental to the overall quality of the product and, in this case, equals to time wasted on potential, actual features.

>.001% of the fanbase
That's not how maths works there, buddy
>minority in a minority in a minority.
Alright, what's the third minority?

>Autistic developer of autistic game panders to autistic trannies
This is not surprising.

>"Gamers"
>DFags
>Trannies

>The complaint is how in forcing this artistic direction it takes away from the natural flow of the creation process in its themes and focus.
Yeah, this doesn't actually mean anything. This is just some assumptions and vague waffling about some abstract notion of artistic integrity. You can't prove to me that they were forced to take this artistic direction nor can you concretely argue that it detracts from the game in any way. You call everything "forced" but it's just a buzzword. There is no "natural" inclusion because you will always find someone or something to blame.

There's a term for this but it escapes me right now. You can't give the entire cast of Lord of the Rings AK47s and justify it as "but it's fantasy from the get-go!"

Besides, lots of people care about accuracy, which is why these games exist in the first place.

You could lock them away and have them work till they drop dead i suppose.

pls don't talk about DF.
thx
you can now go back to looking at semi-naked anime girls now.

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you're not a spoiled affluenza-ridden socialite whose parents have enormous amounts of money and power. you don't count.

the left is always screeching about white cisgender males being the norm and minorities sidekicks, so you're already wrong in saying that there's no natural progression.
you can't have both ways.

>And the only reason the fancy stroke them is because it's currently the politically correct thing to do. Don't play dumb.
Is that why you think they're doing it? And not just because it better reflects the world as they now understand it? Why do you think they couldn't possibly have an internal motivation?
>The only way a game would pander to me is if it had no politics at all.
In other words, when they are white cisgender protags, considering everything else is pandering according to you.
>But I see your point, and Hatred fits the bill. And to the surprise of no one, it sucked, because it was nothing but a shitty political statement.
No, it sucked entirely on its own merits.

>their biggest contribution is having a 42% suicide rate.
Which drops to 0,4% once they transitioned.

Honestly, if you argue that sex reassignme t surgery Is pointless "because they'll kill themselves soon After lol", you should argue for a ban of any kind of surgery on the eldery too, since they tend to die not even 10 years after they undergo one.

Yeah and I'm saying that's fucking retarded because my very position disproves your notion that I am projecting.

Nice selective outrage

It gets a bit of a polish lookwise.

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It's not a matter of artistic integrity you dumb fucking faggot. It's a matter of focus and balance. When you make a checklist before you start to paint a picture it's going to be less natural as the flow is interrupted by the necessity of forcing some objects in there.

Ever watch Bob Ross and see how a little accident can turn into a happy little tree? Something that was never supposed to be a tree becomes a tree.

You stupid faggot retards dont understand the subjects you try to take part in the critique of.

>Game was on my "To play list"
Thank God this happened. Now I can avoid it. It looked really complicated and time consuming.

are you able to execute tranny dwarves in game

>There's a term for this but it escapes me right now.
Suspension of Disbelief.

I was actually going to buy it. Why does Toady hate money?

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>it's detrimental to the overall quality of the product
Not really
>and, in this case, equals to time wasted on potential, actual features.
Half of Dorf Fort's features are crazy simulationist details that seem like massive wastes of time to any sane individual and it's the reason the game has been in development since 2002. It's not like they have a deadline to make is it? They can get around to other features whenever they want.

Based and SSpilled

Can't wait to see what kind of genocidal shenanigans people come up with for the trans dwarves

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Yea Forums only gets mad if the game itself is also bad. If it’s in a good game, no one cares. See: the two (2) gay couples in Hollow Knight which no one ever complains about.

Read a real book and not manchild shit

>Not using the trannies as a expendable work force and lock them inside their workshops without anything so they would work till they starve.
>Or use them as expendable defense force to throw at the next best monster attacking.

We can utilize them much more efficiently than that.

>the left is always screeching about white cisgender males being the norm and minorities sidekicks, so you're already wrong in saying that there's no natural progression.
How does that follow at all? You're saying what happens is what's "natural"? It's all the result of choices people have made. So if people make the choice to do something else, how is that any less natural?

No you fucking idiot because I never said you projected your own ego or reference point. I'm not saying you are projecting from yourself. I said you are projecting a model of thinking onto others and how they view things you insufferable faggot.

I never even said you're an egoist so this notion that you think that I'm saying you're projecting from yourself is a demonstration of your inability to process basic fucking sentences.

>when you forcibly insert SJW shit into a game made exclusively for autistics
His momma's medical bills are being paid for by political think tanks, not by steam users buying it. Modders will produce mods revolving around disabling all the marxist genderqueerfluid nonsense because the kind of autistic who plays Dwarf Fortress doesn't want any of the identity politics circus interfering with his game, and all will be right under the mountain again.
Although, I think we can all agree, stout and bearded dwarven ladies are a long-standing hilarious staple of the dwarven mythos.

You know what you guys should do? Tell them politely that you have asperger's and you want to be represented as well. Ask representation for everything until they break or fuck up the game with all sorts of retardation.

Will tranny dwarves kill themselves at an 800% increase?

>I wish I was a girl
>Should I play a female character
>No, I would rather play a male character that turns his penis inside out and himself into a sad parody of what pathetic incels think women are like
Why?

>Ever watch Bob Ross and see how a little accident can turn into a happy little tree? Something that was never supposed to be a tree becomes a tree.
In what way does It relate to the artistic direction they chose? Were you there, fromstart to finish, when they created the designs and art? How can you be sure that there haven't been"Happy little accidents"?

Apex isn't exactly a Digital Homice-tier assetto flip, After all

Identity politics don't accurately reflect the world. Their new "understanding" of it is misguided to say the least.
And transsexuals don't amount to enough of the playerbase to justify this decision. So regardless of their motivation, it's stupid.

>In other words, when they are white cisgender protags, considering everything else is pandering according to you.
CJ was black and SA is my favorite GTA. Being black was a small fraction of the character, not the wholesome of it.
CJ wasn't black just because. They weren't thinking some bullshit topic like representation.

>No, it sucked entirely on its own merits.
Yes, because they thought they could hide shitty mechanics behind a political statement.
Just like tranny dwarfs.

>call a dwarf he
>xir throws a tantrum and kills the entire colony

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>

Good
Every time we get the same:
>build in a mountain
>everything is good
>suddenly super-strong fuck you enemies appear
>player uses 300IQ to activate traps and shit, but still loses

>No you fucking idiot because I never said you projected your own ego or reference point.
Well then it's not projecting, is it? Honestly, don't blame me for assuming you're using words to mean what they actually mean instead of your own idiosyncratic definitions, you literal autist.

because it's being motivated by external factors. if white cisgender male protags are the norm, then anything that deviates from that is unnatural and artificially made.

To this day I still complain about fate making kings into women, but my dick says yes.
Or how Gilgamesh is blonde.

Oh user
cock and ball torture
It's worth going through just for Spacejin's art in general because jesus fuck

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>pointless surgery on young person severely shortens lifespan
>surgery on old person to save their life extends it for a few years or at least a few months
Yeah, okay.
Also need sources for the 40% and the 0.4%. Both seem like bullshit

>Identity politics don't accurately reflect the world. Their new "understanding" of it is misguided to say the least.
Really? Trans people exist in the real world. Trans dwarves exist in Dorf Fort.

Also are you seriously saying Dwarf Fortress is a shit game that's trying to gain popularity by jumping on some political banwagon because that's hilarious

They'll be invincible like the trannies in BG:EE.

I'm not saying their criticism of apex are legitimate do know this. The position we are talking about people taking on apex is the result of the industry having a checklist mentality often especially with political subjects which are verifiable in differences between editions across lines of the world and developers notes causing them to default to a position that comes from their assumptions which were based on correlation seeming to be a rule for the industry, that somehow what they've seen happen in other games with this subject material must have been executed similarly here.

I personally dont have an issue with apex or the artistic notion of it nor do I personally think they didnt intend this, and when I do have an issue artistically with a game at most i just have a lesser perceived value of it as a product which is then reflected in me purchasing it at a discount normally.

>Yea Forums is mad
>trannies are happy
>people who actually play DF can't wait to create concetration camps for tranny dwarfs
those blood pools ain't gonna fill themself ya know

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>Not really
it means the developer stopped himself from creating something that felt natural and shoehorned some bullshit political statement that has no business being there. it alters the product and never for the better.
>Half of Dorf Fort's features are crazy simulationist details that seem like massive wastes of time to any sane individual
and they all serve a purpose. no feature is there "just because", unlike tranny dwarfs.

>WE'RE NOT TAKING UR GAMES AWAY

False. That, too, is a result of external factors as well as internal ones, just as there are also internal ones for desiring diversity. You're making a distinction that doesn't exist. If you are a proponent of diversity then it would be extremely unnatural for you to design a white character, wouldn't it?

Also I do hope you realise video games are all artificially made

THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN ON EPIC STORE

fuck steam i guess

nice

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I don’t like it, but they can do whatever they want if we can, to.

I would argue if anything the elfs should get the trannies, but at the same time we all know they already are all sissies.

>it means the developer stopped himself from creating something that felt natural and shoehorned some bullshit political statement
So a world in which trans people do not exist feels more natural to you than one in which they do, like in the real world?
>and they all serve a purpose.
No. Systems interact in interesting ways, perhaps, but in the end they are all there "just because".

It is projecting you fucking retard.
projecting

/prəˈjektiNG/

Learn to pronounce

adjective

adjective:projecting

extending outward beyond something else; protruding.

"a projecting bay window"
Projecting is to say that you are extending the qualities of something to another thing when used psychologically speaking. That's what the metaphors use is for for fucks sake.

>Trans people exist in the real world.
Nowhere near to the same extend as the left wants us to believe.

>Also are you seriously saying Dwarf Fortress is a shit game that's trying to gain popularity by jumping on some political banwagon because that's hilarious
It's the cool thing to do, literally everyone is doing it. Good IPs, bad IPs. Fucking Marvel spent billions on a fucking monument for it.

Can the chinks protect us from the tranny menace?
Which is the lesser evil?

tl:dr i did enjoyed the titties on your post have a bump lma0

>poorly implemented
That’s every appeal to diversity. Just slapped on to check a box

yeah but this is different because it goes against my political beliefs and is therefore a personal attack on me.

>So a world in which trans people do not exist feels more natural to you than one in which they do, like in the real world?
they're a minority in the real world. there's a 99% chance that the thought of adding tranny dwarfs wouldn't even cross the developer's head if it wasn't for identity politics.

>No. Systems interact in interesting ways, perhaps, but in the end they are all there "just because".
name a feature, then. one that's "just there". other than tranny dwarfs, of course.

different user
yes, because trannies are less than 1% of world population, you are so fucking miniscual as a being you don't matter, but because your screech all the time on internet everyone thinks you make up for half of the world.

This is they way they're included in any media. You'd think trans people would find it insulting

except they didn't care about it before. neither did the bloodlines developer. I'd agree if this was being made by some tumblr whale, but this isn't the case. they're being artificially motivated by misguided external sources.

Holy shit, trannies eternally BTFO

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But they dont because they think that every white male who sees a white male automatically gets a hard cock so they think if they see a tranny in a video game maybe theyll get a hard cock too.

>White straight male character is in game
>no one says anything
>Non white straight male character is in game
>Have to give a 10 essay paragraph describing why or else it's "forced diversity" and "pandering"
Epic, simply epic

>Use a term with a specific psychological application
>Quote a completely irrelevant dictionary definition that says nothing about its specific psychological application
epic

No, projecting, in its psychological application, means that you take some quality within your own psyche that is causing you cognitive dissonance, and you subconsciously project it onto someone else so as to place it outside yourself and alleviate the cognitive dissonance.

>real word diversity
>talking about mental illness
Sometimes i think that these lunatics are more insane than the dudes shagging eachother and those dudes running around in dresses with their dicks chopped off.

Honestly this is a great fucking change. I can't wait for the interesting disposal machines to come from this.

You and every person who replied to this clearly never played dwarf fortresss before
More proof that anti-sjws don't play video games

>Nowhere near to the same extend as the left wants us to believe.
Weird, I thought half this board was made up of trannies at this point? Anyway, to what extent do they exist in Dwarf Fortress?
>It's the cool thing to do, literally everyone is doing it.
And therefore Dwarf Fortress can't?

Having no breeding is objectively better though. Fuck female soldiers giving birth during a siege or them stopping that wool job order for the strange mood dwarf so they can give birth, effectively ruining the whole fortress, plus the child taking population that could be an actual useful dwarf, only for it to grow up to be a planter or a noble because that's all they do during their first years until they're considered adult. I fucking hate them so much. Stop trying to disguise your agenda as legitimate gameplay complaints.

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>you can know purge your fortress form mentally ill dwarves
>you lock them in a madhouse
How isn't this based?

this, only people who felt for outrage culture are mad
everyone else is probably already making plans how to use such a great source of flesh and blood

I don't really care and I don't know why others do
It's the same game, just has some freaks in it that you can have your society exile anyway, who gives a shit

>there's a 99% chance that the thought of adding tranny dwarfs wouldn't even cross the developer's head if it wasn't for identity politics.
Not if the end goal is to create a simulated world that's as complete as possible, so I guess Dorf Fort falls into that 1% there. Not that I think it matters what inspires a dev to include something in a game. If learning things precludes you from incorporating them into a game then all we should be allowed to make games about is sucking titties and shitting diapers.
>name a feature, then. one that's "just there". other than tranny dwarfs, of course.
Well, look at any Roguelike that's less detailed than Dwarf Fortress. They don't need all those features.

Dwarven flesh and all body fluids are essentially useless. Bones might be useful if you get a possessed dwarf.

>It is a gelding blow!
Trannies have been in DF for years

Its literal slang you mongrel that arose out of parallel qualities, it's very existence is one in which it does not necessitate exclusive usage. It is the process of ascribing qualities of one thing to another often used for commentary on how one processes things of themselves however this process is notably not something that happens exclusively with self analysis.

Purging sodomites are going to be fun

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Trans dwarves have been in the game since 40x dropped the which has been for quite some time.

>Weird, I thought half this board was made up of trannies at this point?
we're talking real world here
>Anyway, to what extent do they exist in Dwarf Fortress?
it doesn't matter, that's the whole point
>And therefore Dwarf Fortress can't?
you or whoever made that post said user was implying DF was shit game that needed to jump on the bandwagon for the press
to which the reply was
>everyone is doing it, doesn't matter if they're good or shit ips

>except they didn't care about it before. neither did the bloodlines developer.
Correct, they do in fact live in a world with other people in it and take information from outside sources, just like every human being.
>they're being artificially motivated by misguided external sources.
No. You're adding "artificial" and "misguided" for no reason.

>Tranny dwarves
So elves?

Yeah, don't include abominations

based

You're an idiot who doesn't realize there is a contingent of redditors on this site that play all AAA casual trash that comes out, especially blizzard stuff. You think those redditor soiboys are Yea Forumsirgins and they are not. Now kill yourself.

Imagine the horror, they'll have to imagine urist with a dress instead of with a silk tong with plump helmet spawn patterns sewn into it.

>Its literal slang you mongrel that arose out of parallel qualities
No, it's literally just the psychological sense falling into colloquial use and subsequently being misused by laymen like you who think they can guess what it means. But at least now you learned something, so you can avoid looking like a fool in the future.

Also the rest of your post is meaningless pseudo-intellectual babble.

How do trannies exist in a medieval setting

It changes behavior and they are objectively better dwarves.

Haha holy shit

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Yes I learned how you dont know how language works however this fact is useless and I will soon forget it.

>Not if the end goal is to create a simulated world that's as complete as possible
maybe, but they never seemed to care for that in the past and trannies would be a weird first. where's my west-asian halfbreed lycanthrope dwarf that's immune to ebola due to being raised in central Africa?
nah, I'll just go with political statement for now.
>Well, look at any Roguelike that's less detailed than Dwarf Fortress. They don't need all those features.
that wasn't the question.

Maybe you should take these gender studies classes to understand that transexual people have been around since forever, just not how we know it.

>we're talking real world here
Yea Forums doesn't exist?
>it doesn't matter, that's the whole point
No, it does matter. It's a simulationist game.
>everyone is doing it, doesn't matter if they're good or shit ips
The claim was literally that Dorf Fort was hiding shitty mechanics behind a political statement, just like Hatred.

your "outside sources" are misguided and artificially inflated. tranny representation is nowhere near such a hot topic. there's no crazy demand for it.
and it's negatively impacting game development for no reason at all.