How is it even possible to fuck up a game like WoW so much? You’d think sny sensible person would go ”oh...

They saw 1.000.000 whales make more money than 13.000.000 shrimps

That's a great analogy! Thank you kindly user

I came back to browse my bags having not played since Cata. Seeing that horrible, horrible mish-mash of styles present in characters, weapons, armour and, worst of all, mounts killed my Classic hype a little. There's no cohesion, everyone's a fucking superhero murdering machine riding steampunk bikes next to mutated metal dragons and elephant-like creatures bloating 25% of the screen. NPCs every 5 steps eager to suck your dick and point you towards the next fun ride in this theme park of an MMO.

Because the game is made for the investors, not the players.
Shut up and buy the going away bundle, oh and there's a sale on race transfers, you want to play as a Zandalari don't you?
Keep rolling that titanforge slot machine, the game wouldn't be fun or exciting if you could actually obtain gear at a reasonable pace via badges. Where's the fun in progressing?

The game lost a lot of charm when the player character became the chosen one rather than some random fuckhead

>six Jaina cinematics
Fuck Christie Golden and her obvious favoritism. She should have died in BoD.

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>Warcraft IV
>Opening cinematic is a rushed recap of WoW in a blur
>Suddenly Arthas wakes up on the frozen throne
>WoW was just a weird fucking dream.

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Because Blizzard doesn't give a shit anymore, they want to move into the Chinese market because those people as so complacent with paying to win, paying for cosmetics,paying for content that was clearly stripped out of the game to be sold back to them, paying for boosts that were clearly created to slow down natural progression to tempt you to buy the boosters, and just spending stupid amounts of money because that's all they've known.

Meanwhile the western markets including Europe are now finally in mass, back-lashing against lootboxes,shitty business practices like what the industry has been trying to make the norm for almost 15 years now and the industry is losing and they know it. So they're going to just move their focus to china where it's whales whales whales and easy $$$

>She should have died

You should have died in your moms womb. Jaina is forever kid.

Because they are winging it at this point? They didn't think WoW would still be alive by now. They started work on Project Titan thinking that they could release it around the time WoW was dead/dying, but WoW never died when it was supposed to and they had to scrap Titan and make Overwatch out of the existing pieces. I don't know if they had a backup plan for another MMO after this though. Maybe they will make one out of Diablo or Starcraft settings so as to avoid Warcraft fatigue.

Blizzard is still riding their power trip wave that was WOTLK. You don't make $180 million a month and have that go to your head. They found they could do anything they wanted and still make money. They view themselves as god's gift to gaming and if someone doesn't like something that person is retarded.

I mean, we should have never belong to any faction since it influence story way too heavily since devs try to cater to both the alliance and the horde instead of making a living world in which the player is trying to find himself (e.g. adventurer, mercenary) and not the other way around.

>oh sweet, a free weekend with bfa
>it's the fucking 1 hour long expansion trial again

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They should make the factions open to all the races and let players choose the side they want to be on. You can have the option to choose to switch when you want to and you get some minor bonus for sticking to a single faction.

This will delete all the faction racial balance issues they have had from day one. This will allow all players to PvE with who they want to.

>Seeing that horrible, horrible mish-mash of styles present in characters, weapons, armour and, worst of all, mounts killed my Classic hype a little

Why? You could turn all that shit off even in the Classic demo which was no way near finished. The worst thing in the demo was the post-Cata lighting and water which again could be turned off.

Are they though?
The overwatch lore itself is a pretty good setup for a story. I'm not familiar with the genre but most post apocalyptic settings I come across paint this grim future where OW doesn't.
Their execution of the setting is utter trash though. So good worldbuilding but bad at creating stories is my opinion.

Is Blizzard going the way of Bioware & Telltale? Diversity hires taking over actual talent?

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I think the diversity hires are getting kicked out to save money right about now.

They really want those whales.

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Warhammer Fantasy>"War"craft

how much for char boost?

factions were a mistake from the very start
You'd think they'd know better than to make an MMO as a direct sequel to a game where a bunch of factions and races fight and ally with each other, and most of them having civil war within their own factions and various backstabbing and sideswitching. And have it all condensed into Horde vs. Alliance

Look at the picture again and repeat "Wow I'm a fucking dumbass"

It's right there, 60 euros or dollars for level 110 boost. Now pay up.

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WoW is now made solely to please investors. Islands require almost zero investment to make but will retain a decent amount of players. Basicly, WoW has become the gacha of mmo's.

>hey guys please give a fuck about my dead set-
Age of Sigmar

>BfA sucked
>it's still more enjoyable than stormblood
>looks like it's gonna be way better than the next garbage square is putting out
I really should just quit mmos

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You were never a random fuckhead. You think a random fuckhead could kill Ragnaros, an elemental lord?

>Doesn't say the price

You first.

Alright lets do some basic math on why sub counts in WOW doesn't matter anymore and why the cancerous game design is more profitable to Blizzard now thanks to whale economics.

WOW introduced the WOW token a few years ago, for every WOW token bought, thats $20 given to blizzard, each token can be turned in for a sub, which is worth only $15, or for $15 blizzbucks.

Now lets look at what WOW tokens are being used for in bulk
>Race Changes
>Server Transfers
>MTX on any battle.net 2.0 game
And low and behold, blizzard has shifted all their content development time company wide into microtransactions.

Now when you have whales as bad as blizzdrones, they'll buy anything blizzard releases, OW lootboxes for the new mercy skin, SC2 loot boxes, hearthstone packs, ect, and they'll either do it directly via real money, or through WOW gold, which still nets blizzard money as they make $20 on every wowtoken added to the market.

And lets look at WOW today, Race changes, server transfers, ect, ect, each can be bought with WOW tokens, which plenty of players justify, but they don't know that they're still giving $20 to blizzard for a service that is only justified because they made the game such a fucking chore to do on purpose that whales would rather spend gold on tokens to bypass leveling their own character.

TL:DR, whales buying WOW tokens are worth more to blizzard then a sub, and a whale with the current WOW token system is worth many subs in profit to blizzard.

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>dude let's take out the social aspects out of a multiplayer roleplaying game so it feels as little as a multiplayer ropleplaying game as possible

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Underrated. If they could sell their own feces and stamp it with the WoW symbol for 100 bucks a pop they would. But they can't so they made a video game.

The people who worked on the game because they were passionate are gone. It's now a skeleton crew pandering to addicts with the sole mission of milking what's left of the IP.

t. 2006-2017 player

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You didn't kill Ragnaros and he was no way near his full power and you were with 39 other people, dumb zoomer.

Yea it's a good idea but being an adventurer or a mercenary (like in a guild that is being pain to send you of to a mission of your choosing) means you are without a faction thus the story can progress as it wants without any constrictions. In current scenario people have to write the story so that both factions get an equal share and it just makes them force shit inorganically like when garosh wanted to create his horde alliance should be doing their stuff but that can't happen if we have factions that HAVE to always react to one another action which creates this dumb loop that every action from one faction has to be equalized by something from other.

>He hung around until 2017

What is wrong with you? The hopping off point for sane people was 2011 at the latest.

Because they listen to people on battle net / reddit.

They should just say fuck it we are designing the game we know better than you. But since BC they try to please everyone and the game is a fucking mess now.

This is all the playerbase fault, there is even people saying that game like MoP or Legion are good.

Why make a game people want to sub to when you can get twitch thots to buy your anime fox mounts every month for three times the profit.

>What is wrong with you?
Schizophrenia. Try not to laugh too hard.

>tfw you thought the writing couldn't get any worse
christie golden was a fucking mistake and so is that literal nathanos self-insert dude

Ok what about Nefarion or Kel'thuzad? People who think you're just like some guard or something are delusional. The "random fuckheads" are the NPCs getting killed by boars in towns.

>Ion Hozzikostas
>Good game design
Lets be real, the people who fucking made WOW the game that peaked at 12 million subs quit development in BC and either left the company or retired to management positions.

You try keeping millions of people playing your game for almost two fucking decades you retard. WoW is older than most people on Yea Forums

>every current patch invalidates content from bfa
>even doing uldir is fucking worthless
>no reason to be in guild
>no reason for raids to be endgame when you get gear for free
>lore is shit and a rehash of mop
>no reason for hype when nzoth and azshara end up as lfr fodder
>every class plays the same

Why would I laugh? Hope you're getting the proper help for it man.

Saving this post for future use.

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Here's a fun fact: Golden is rewriting the Warcraft 3 Reforged campaign.

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I am, thanks.

Blizzard foresaw the subscription drop and states this in their meeting. They wanted to capture a core playerbase that will play timegated content and buy cashshop services, regardless of quality.

>The result

And that's why MMOs aren't MMORPGs anymore. Just loot treadmills.

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How is it a fuck up? The game is 15 years old and people like you are still playing it.
It's one of the biggest PC game.

>ywn suck on Jaina's milkers

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I concede by the endgame you're a little more than a footsoldier, but it's completely different than in current WoW where you're literally the leader of your entire class and god knows whatever else.

I might still be playing just leveling alts if the classes were at least fun to play. But every DPS spec is basically a variation of the same build combo/spend combo gameplay from a decade ago except they've continued to prune unique abilities.

Thrall was a self insert as well.
And no. The story was way worst during vanilla/TBC/Wotlk

how does she make peepee?

When did Jaina get a stand?

>Jaina and her Stand: Daddy Cool

>Thinking the story was worse previously when today the game has literally gone into interdimensional time travel territory

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The story was always bad.

But the way it was presented in vanilla-WOTLK wasn't god awful either because it wasn't told to you, you had to find it for yourself.

Darkshore for example, you could just be
>kill a bunch of bears
>set some traps
>kill some ghosts
>escort some dudes
>farm nagas

Or
>Explore the sources of corruption that is blighting darkshore, from the warlock residing in the tower to the north, or the naga incursion in the old ruins, or the enraged furbolgs that camp within the forest

Now its just more or less the same when it comes to quest design, but instead of skippable quest text and lore items with flavor text, you get cutscenes and NPC roleplay cramming the story down your throat.

Fucking dark shore escort quest where you had to escort the druid to ashenvale only to fucking get ambushed constantly by saytrs back when the game was bullshit enough 1v1 and the fucker would despawn if you took too long, or would just flat out die

Now you have to escort NPCs around an entire fucking ZONE completing quest after quest and they won't fucking shut up.

I miss hub based questing so fucking much "Hey bro can you kill a bunch of lions for me, and while you're at it gather raptor heads and zebra hooves" I would rather do that shit then fucking listen to fucking flynn be retarded

The worst part is unless you plan on skipping BFA's leveling content via dungeon queues and islands which is what sane people would do, you're forced to do all the same zones again.

At least in Vanilla you could pick your zones as you leveled, even fucking BC after HFP you can choose to go into zangar or terrokar, and in WOTLK you could pick two sides of the continent to start on, now everything is so fucking linear and lazy and designed to shove in your face its just annoying to do that I would rather mob grind then do any post-cata quests

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she's a mage, all she has to do is say "peepus vamoosus"

Just give up man, do what the rest of us have done. Even bloody Asmongold has lost faith in wow and that guy could stare at a wall in game for 5 hours.
Blizzard doesn't care about the quality of World of Warcraft nor the enjoyment of players. There are plenty of other games to play (despite how it can feel sometimes) and it might get better in the future.

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Excretus Deletus

>that guy could stare at a wall in game for 5 hour
what

I've really got that MMO urge again, but everything seems so fucking terrible right now.

>GW2 has no endgame (last I played of it)
>BFA needs no explanation, a myriad of shitty systems, writing, and changes nobody wanted yet Blizzard are too stubborn to undo
>Oldschool/regular Runescape eventually gets to that "I dunno, just grind useless skills to 99 now I guess" point
>Star Trek Online is apparently a microtransaction filled hellhole
>TERA looks terrible, and is reaching lows of 500 concurrent players on Steam

How are Black Desert and FFXIV? Is there anything I'm forgetting?
It feels like such a dead market these days, everything out there is old and decrepit and nobody is stupid enough to make something new.

Asmongold, he could stare at a wall for five hours watching videos with chat and be happy. Yet he has lost faith in wow and literally has no interest in video games now.

>user doesn't get Blizzard's marketing tactic for releasing a shit expansion and then promising the next expansion to not be shit
See WoD and Legion

FFXIV is the best MMO at the moment. It's still mediocre but it will scratch the itch.

Incredible you all braindead retards realize this now and not 8 years ago when they made late wotlk and cata.

Sounds like he just grew up.

>FFXIV
it's barely an MMO.

I think black desert is just grinding with some microtransactions mixed in, but I havent played it much so im not sure.
FFXIV is alright I guess, i played it a bit and it seems similar in structure to wow with slower combat and more focus on customisation.

Sounds like he became a twitch shill and wants to play meme games such as dark souls to get more fame

And he sucks at every game except wow

Most MMO's are shit. I wish DDO was more alive or WAR was alive instead of WoW, give me W4 that retcons wow.

I'll look into FFXIV then, thanks anons.
Having zero knowledge of Final Fantasy was the thing pushing me away, I don't think I've played a single game in the franchise.

Why's that, is it more single player based? Because I'm okay with that honestly, I like the gameplay of MMO's more than the socializing.

Eh, its more depression.
People would hate me for this, but honestly I didn't care much for legion, the story felt really dumbed down and generic to me outside of Suramar. We didn't even see Sargeras properly until the ending cinematic, then he was gone.
It also introduced stuff like world quests , which imo are not as good as the old dailies. It also felt much more timegated than the past expacs.

>WC4
They are already releasing WC3: Remastered
>"cool, will they include burning legion and naga as playable arm-
Golden rewrites the story and strathole got changed into its wow version

>twitch shill
>what is tautology

Fair warning, most jobs don't have their abilities fleshed out until around level 50. It will probably feel a bit slow until then.

Rest of the game is fine gameplay-wise though. The GCD is slower than WoW but there's considerably more abilities that are off the GCD.

FFXIV is a single player game where you sometimes do dungeons that no one talks in so your party members might as well be AI bots that range from overcompetent and make the dungeon boring or absolutely brainded and make your dungeon experience a nightmare.

Sounds like every Post-WoW MMO I've ever known.

Eso boi

100%
FF14 is actually just WoW but with an FF skin.
At least the devs care about professions and how characters present themselves though. Unlike wow where professions don't matter and everyone looks the same, professions in 14 are an entire class of their own and the glamour system is absolutely amazing.

hard to think i used to play the game back when i was 13 and now im 28.

The best MMO on the market right now is unironically Granblue, a shitty gacha browser pseudo-MMO.

It was messed up by adding women to the workforce of Blizzard and eventually the "higher ups" retired and women took their place in HR, logistics, etc.

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Everquest 1 and 2 just released some new progression servers (vanilla game with a new expansion every couple of months)

Anarchy online just came out with a vanilla server, or something

Dungeons and Dragons online (not neverwinter) is pretty great if you're into dungeons and dragons

Project Gorgon is buy to play - small team of people that work on it but it's great for what it is. You can level up animals to max level; definitely unique

>Oldschool MMOs are better

asmon fans literally think they're his mother.

FUCKING CRINGE.

@325
That's not even deserving of a (You), yikes

Gotcha, thank you both very much.
Looks like there's a trial, I'll go ahead and download it.

Oh man I actually forgot ESO existed. I'll look into it if FFXIV doesn't scratch the itch, but I don't recall it looking very good

There were always NPCs involved. Up until WotLK your character was just a very competent member of their faction.
The very first Alliance quest if you choose to go to the one starting area (name escapes me) is you get off of the boat, see a huge line of people waiting to enlist and not one but THREE NPCs all call you out and say you can skip the line because you are godlike and special.
It goes downhill from there.

ESO is pretty fantastic

>Dungeons and Dragons online (not neverwinter) is pretty great if you're into dungeons and dragons
can confirm, I just wish it was more alive when I log in. You can also get store stuff for free if you are willing to grind and reroll.

>Dungeons and Dragons online
I remember this game being great when I played it but that was years ago. Is it even active any more?

WoW need to make flying a gold fee again.

Remove rep gates and time gates.

Boom - fun again.

Don't fucking defend this, you fags who have no cortex and are able to repeat boring tasks all day.

Any discussion of WoW now is just going to be a myriad of people who have quit at varying times during the game's life all freely shitting on BFA but never having played it so they can't actually articulate why it's a bad expansion (and it is). AP isn't the problem, class design isn't the problem, encounter design isn't the problem, even personal loot arguably isn't the problem. Why the fuck was Legion, an expansion with more glaring issues, actually better than BFA? Because it was more engaging. Class and spec identity was fun to explore. Legendaries, for all the fucking STUPID problems they created, were interesting and sometimes fun. The artifact weapons were far more interesting and involved than the stupid fucking neck. And the biggest part? Because the game wasn't about two factions penis fencing, almost all the content made was playable by every character, regardless of faction, so there was a lot more shit to do for the vast majority of players. Suramar, by itself, was not only more engaging and better written, it was MORE content than the shitty fucking war campaign is now. They're essentially splitting the content they've made in half. If all you do is raid or m+ you might not notice, but the average player absolutely will notice, even if they don't realize it. The game feels almost hollow, empty, like there should be more to do, even though, from an objective standpoint, it has plenty.

Blizzard didn't lose their way, they've done this shit constantly, it's why WoD was such a partial abortion. Sometimes it turns out alright, like with WotLK, other times, it's a disaster. We'll just have to see if the standard Blizzard cycle continues as normal with the next expac not sucking balls.

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I haven't played it in a few months but there are still folks on there as of maybe September?

Well enough to get groups and a guild

>flying at all
Kill yourself
>rep gates
Kill yourself
>time gates
Agreed

Kill yourself instead you fucking fat smelly autist loser.

Rep grind to revered. Fucking cunt, we ain't all lore reading autists like you.

Flying is fine.

>I don't have to talk with people on my shitty normal mode leveling dungeon?
>WOW IS DEAD! IT'S NOT SOOOCIAL ANYMORE!!!

The cancer that killed wow right there hahahahaha

I don't care about chasing bigger numbers and loot through end-game content, I just want to finish my Zandalari Paladin leveling and call it a day.

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The smelly virgin who spends all his time on Yea Forums right here.

Get some air, you stink.

youtube.com/watch?v=K8hfK3RQs2g

STOP PLAYING WOW

>troll wielding ashbringer
This is fucking cancer.

t. seething human pala cuck

I feel bad for people like this

>Tirion died for this

look at this absolute cancer

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The whole MMORPG genre stinks of wasted potential. It was such a great idea but something went horribly wrong in execution.

knot

>literally who died for something respectful of the lore

sounds fine to me

HAMSTER INA BALL

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People who complained about Ghostcrawler wouldn't have complained had they known how much worse it will get.

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that pic made me roll female human mage back then, good times

let me just play a single player game instead

So I am trying out the starter edition on the horde's side.
Is shaman or Hunter best class for a troll? And what other classes fit the other races?

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>holinka is now in charge of classgameplay
what the fuck happened? this guy ruined pvp in wod with his shitty forced ashran bullshit

HAMSTER IN A FUCKING BALL

>what other classes fit the other races
If they're playable they fit

>reading comments you made over 10 years ago

yikes, my english back than was something else.

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>wow with an FF skin
Bullshit its not even open world. Just linear areas with loading zones because thats the limitations of the engine.

>Zandalari Troll Paladin
Based

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but azerite power is a refined version of the artifact power system
instead of having 3 different weapons with their own power levels that you have to level up whenever you switch specs, you now have a single universal necklace item that just provides an itemlvl/stat boost
... which blizzard then went and fucked up by having all of the azerite traits split across 3 different items with their own messy menus

but if the azerite traits were all listed on a single menu and you could pick and choose more freely I think it'd be great

unless you're doing any kind of heroic or mythic raiding I feel like it doesn't fucking matter what race/class combo you play

Race and class combinations do not matter in WoW. They haven't mattered in over a decade. Pick whatever looks good/feels fun to you.

you can literally go 1-whateverthemaxlevelisnow without interacting with anyone, you fucking tard

The fact wow players still don't admit it's pay to win makes me glad it's becoming shitier and shitier.

Fuck wow and fuck wow players.

They don't care about the little guy. They probably want to close a server or two and focus on pleasing whales who are mostly casual RPfags. Same reason FFXIV focused on story mode and costumes.

Wait til everyone has Zandalari unlocked and every other Paladin is one running around in Lightbringer

What I meant what something that feels kinda right. Like warlock and Undead. Haven't played an MMO in years and want to get a good start. I know wow hasn't gone the best route in any way, shape or form. But I felt like trying it out anyway since I don't know any other MMO besides the elder scrolls and the very old ARTIX games.

The Omnic are the only genuinely interesting thing in there setting and besides one in the background of a comic every year they haven't done anything with it sense launch.
The fucking omnic they introduced post launch isn't even connected to them, she was entirely rebuilt by a human.

>azerite power is a refined version of the artifact power system
It's the other way around.

Modern WoW is what happens when every single design decision is made by suits looking at analytics. Literally none of their shot calling execs play video games, and it shows.

Things the vanilla WoW team looked at when designing it:
>what players enjoy
>we we would enjoy because we actually love and play our games when we get home from work
>what will retain players and keep them playing for longer
>what will create a sense of adventure and ability for player exploration and freedom

Modern WoW design team:
>monthly active users
>activision boss says we need to push this new microtransaction
>we've made X dollars through store mounts, up from last quarter!
>earning report is coming up, time a content patch right before it to please the shareholders
>the data says X% of players engage in this activity
>everything must be different from older WoW because the devs have a chip on their shoulder regarding the games previous success (the original team is long gone by now)

Blizzard can fuck themselves. They would be absolutely nothing if not for their old team that actually had something called creative talent.

They've gone too far down the casual rabbithole.
They know they're bleeding subs, but every time they tried course correction, the casuals bitched to the fucking moon and got it immediately changed.
Remember back in cataclysm, when heroics got changed back to TBC standards? It lasted barely a month because the wrathbabbies used to facerolling couldn't handle it.

Why? What's the matter here?

>The story was way worst during vanilla/TBC/Wotlk

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Plot twist: the game has never been better. It's just boring after 15 years.

He's 100% right tough. The story was utter shit.

>It lasted barely a month because the wrathbabbies used to facerolling couldn't handle it.

I recently went back and checked when I let my sub run out and it was literally 2 days after this patch. A wise choice in hindsight.

>defends TBC and Wotlk
retarded fucking cuck

The story literally opened up a time travel portal to another dimension just to grab a couple of old, dead fan favourite characters and bring them back into the story a couple of years ago. I know BC's story was pretty shit but that is a whole new level of fucking dogshit slop storytelling.

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Bungie is garbage, everyone good left. Same with Blizzard.

>he didn't notice the bottom right
Kill yourself

But vanilla introduced time travel.

>The overwatch lore itself is a pretty good

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Most people complaining about current WoW's status is redditniggers who loved MoP. All the proper human beings left during BC to WotLK

And did nothing of significance with it.

The diversity hires that don't do anything but burn money got the boot though

Doesn't mean anything will change since the only ones left would ostensibly be whoever knows how to code and its not like Blizzard has been releasing buggy indieshit for years

It made wod possible so don't whine about it.
Also comparing wod story with classic/tbc/wotlk is like comparing two shits.

I actually take it back, the later is still worst.

I want a Gnome wife.

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Shill me the free weekend.
Can I play through the zandalary-whatever questline on my main character or will I have to make a cuck-character again like last time?

what? where

Because it doesn't matter what they do anymore as long as they keep making money.

Anyone who still plays this game even after all this can complain all they want, Blizzard knows they're addicted as fuck and aren't ever going to make any real changes because whalebux, not subs, are what matter now, and as long as they keep shoveling +20$ bullshit down their audiences' throats they'll always be fine.

Now whether or not the sad faggots who still play this can figure it out and pry themselves away from their addiction for more than a week is a whole 'nother question entirely.

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Look at this retard

>It made wod possible
So fucking what? What a completely irrelevant point.
>Also comparing wod story with classic/tbc/wotlk is like comparing two shits.
The story is just as shit now, in Classic the story was largely disjointed with no overarching theme and was all the better for it. I can readily admit BC had a shit story but Wrath's was at least serviceable until right at the end, your problem is you actually believe current WoW's story isn't just as bad or worse than previously.

WoW was ''geographically complete'' with WoTLK. After that it became guesswork as Metzen left, and we got shit like WoD. WoW is old news and it going the way of the dodo may be a good thing if Reforged does well.

You have to pay the $25 to race change you dumb goy.
Don't play that fucking shit, have some self respect.

you'll need to grind rep before you can make a zandalari. have fun!

You can pay for character services with gold

You're not poor, are you?

>WoW survived WoD
>BfA is far better than WoD
>metrics say the game has lost subscribers compared to Legion but not that many and is stabilized
>THE GAME IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

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I'm not talking about the meme-race god damnit, read my question.

I want to marry and impregnate a Night Elf

>>metrics say the game has lost subscribers compared to Legion but not that many and is stabilized

Are those the metrics that you faggots all say are completely wrong when it shows how few people are still playing?

Have you bought the pig for daddy Ion?

we are at 500k - 3 mil. subscriber decay at low numbers will become a curve that becomes less steep per step, this makes sense, as WoW has sycophants.

>add vulpera and snakes as playable races
>make mechagon and naga land timeless isle clones
>experiment by having nzoth and azshara not available to lfr and casuals just just try out easy as shit normal raids to experience the story
>no more titanforging
And that's how you fix bfa

Is there any hope at all for the Chinese to develop good taste in vidya?

It's only free if your time is worthless.

>500k - 3 mil

That's not vague as fuck or anything right? I'm sure that means there's still 3 mil right??

>Faction specific classes are too hard to balance, let's just give those classes to the opposing factions instead

This is the precise moment WoW died.

It's more of like Bioware. Progressively increased corporate interference driving out the people who made the company great. It just took longer with Blizzard, but what started in 2007 is now bearing it's bitter fruit.

There's always the porn of gnomes stretching their holes beyond recovery so it's not entirely hopeless.

No, hard reset. WoW lore died at WOTLK, all of war 1/3's geographical locations and cliffhangers got added by that point. Don't pervert metzen's legacy like this and hard reset the universe. Make the void win or something, it only makes sense.

So WoW died in vanilla?

It's alright though. Far from the worst thing that's ever been shat out of a triple-A company to justify shooty-shooty-bang-bang-times.

For example, the whole deal surrounding the fall of Overwatch had the potential to be pretty interesting. Soldier 76 having a struggle with Reaper over his potential relationship with Ana, Reinhardt possibly having been Pharah's father, Mercy turning Reaper into a fucking zombie, showing Tracer having to deal with how absolutely horrifying constant unstable time jumping is - there's a hundred interconnected short stories they could've gone with just to show off a little of the world they'd made. Fuck, there was even gonna be a graphic novel.

Then that shit got canceled and they sat on their asses releasing like one short a year, contributing a whole bunch of nothing to the story save for a "special event lore dump" once in a while, and making those lore dumps boil down to "THEY'RE GAY TOO, TAKE THAT BIGOTS PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO US AGAIN"

I mean, how the fuck do you squander something that hard?

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Yes

TBC. That guy is a fag though, as death Knights are the most fun I ever had.

>muh hard reset
>WoW lore not dying at BC
Kill yourself, tripfag

WoW's story went to shit in TBC for sure
>Elves on the Horde, as if dead Humans weren't bad enough
>Dude Kael'thas is crazy and evil lmao
>Dude Illidan's evil too, but it's okay because 10 years from now he'll get a redemption story
>Those Draenei from WC3? They're too ugly so we made them ripoff Protoss

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don't get me wrong, they handled Arthas very poorly - as the Ashbringer is nowhere near the powerlevels of a burning legion superweapon, but, WOTLK ''completed'' the map and cliffhangers. After that and thus Metzen's leave, it became a fuster cluck. The pandaren is a ''joke race'' from the frozen throne, warcraft 3, and was never meant to be added like this.

Death Knights have nothing to do with faction specific classes, though. You choose a faction for death knights, while paladins and shamans used to be alliance or horde only, respectively.

Probably means Chromie's quest in Plaguelands. Even though it's "I've used my magic to create a pocket dimension here".

Look at this retard

I want classes to be fun again. This class fantasy excuse has been nothing but trouble.

ESO is the best MMO right now. Fact.

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Wishing that would've happened.

Yeah I know, but Blizzard is extremely lazy, and that was the first display. Death Knights lost shadow of death because it was ''too difficult to codé'(you respawn as ghoul for a bit after death) then we lost talent trees, then druids lost symbiosis. Only Bethesda beats this sheer laziness.

This kills the Blizzcuck

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is there any MMO where I can play something similair to a death knight mechanically and style-wise? you know, Blackguards, oathbreaker paladins, anti-apaldins, stuff like that.

Fuck off with the vulptera and Snake people

It's more likely Vulpera and Junker Gnomes in future. 8.2.3 or 8.3, depending how hard they wanna rush this crap.
Junker Gnomes are pretty much half-Mechagnomes with Gnome animation right while Vulpera share similar animation rig with Goblins.

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>And he sucks at every game except wow

nah. He get carried and nannied by fans.

Except that,as you said,the stories lead into either nothing or capeshit. The characters go full retard or pure ME NOMBRE NO ES IMPORTANTE. And let's not get past the problem that some characters really don't make sense into each other's universe,such as the underage korean girl that flies mechas because she has good starcraft elo hanging out with Terminator-like war veterans. There's just no consistancy in the atmosphere.For fuck's sake, the best characters are unironically the ones they develop the less, like Bastion.

Oh,and ,because you seem to be dodging it,I'm gonna repeat what others said: HAMSTER. IN. A. BALL.

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Are you looking for something that lifesteals, debuffs and is semi-tanky? There are a handful of MMOs which offer this playstyle. Archeage allows for this, and possibly even ESO if you build Nightblade that way. Necromancer class is coming to ESO as well soon which would give you the aesthetic of bones and cold looking soul magic.

jesus christ that looks awful.

First post is the best post. It's up to them to see the difference between trolls and legit concerns from the community, and despite multiple threads with over 14 pages of responses, they would do the complete opposite of what people wanted, resulting in people quitting.

>symmetrical damage (prostethic robotics and all)
>just like undead has symmetrical wounds
>only at blizzard tech!

Melee necromancer that also gives people AIDS basicly. I was unholy.

In ESO you can play stamina Necromancer soon. It will be more or less like death knight aesthetically.

Shadow Knight Everquest 1 and 2.

Do they have robo dic and vags?

>The female gnome repair vendor on the boat in Island Expeditions sounds like a Goblin

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Cool, my clan leader and friend is also very possitive about ESO. wasn't there some controversy about the game though? something with a rocky start... (not like 76, as that's a crash-to-death start)

the game upon release was a travesty but they ran the One Tamriel patch which made the game more akin to more well known Elder Scrolls titles while still maintaining an MMO gameplay style. Since then the game went from a steaming pile of shit to a refuge for those who are looking for a fresh experience while seeking refuge from MMOs who's developers failed them. It has been receiving a lot of care from developers as of late.

I wish I could get over my WoW addiction. I'm hoping once the last of my 19 days of game time run out I can be free. I don't have anything to do except level allied races now anyway since my guild left for FF

and do I get more personalisation that I did when wow still had talent trees? as even then I couldn't be truly free - raider gangs told me what talents I had to pick up. Fantastic… I skipped out on one because it's not my style, but it's need for higher DPS, thus shitting on my preferences.

caverns of time instances
the caverns of time story in tbc was based on the fact that changing the past would alter the present. this idea continued in wotlk as players were required to help murder people in stratholme
when wod was written blizz retconned that detail and decided that changing the past would create an alternative universe rather than changing the present. whatever happened in tbc made no difference to blizzard as they were going to ressurrect grom et al one way or another

I would recommend staying the fuck away from FFXIV at this point. FFXIV is completely based around the "main story quest" which gates content like a mother fucker. You are forced to go through this never ending piece of shit "quest" (which is still ongoing) to unlock dungeons, raids, and basic fucking features. If you don't want to deal with this bullshit you gotta pay to skip it.

Even worse is that it will force you through dungeons that literally no one plays anymore because they are shite. When people call FFXIV single player, it's seriously not a joke.

Just out of curiosity what is it that keeps you playing? I've come back for every expansion but basically gave up on the game mid WotLK, I come back for maybe 30 days just on the off chance that they've unfucked things bit. BFA seemed like the worst addition yet from what I played.

Caverns of Time content wasn't added until BC, you couldn't even get into them (officially) until then.

Dark Knight in XIV maybe.

In a way yes. So you can use any weapon with any class. This means if you want debuffing, stunning, armor reducing and stunning you'd go with Sword and Shield for example. You can also prioritize damage, resource/HP pools or physical/spell resistance any way you like. There is indeed a spectrum for creating your character playstyle anywhere between pure DPS/healer to damage mitigation/debuffer and anywhere in between. Instead of getting you Subtley/Assassination/Combat talents you'd be getting Weapon Passives which of course change based on what you have equipped. You can have 2 weapons equipped and swap between them at anytime.

I used to be in your boat, user. It's hard walking away, I've been a Warcraft fan since I was 5 and played Beyond the Dark Portal. Ultimately, it just came down looking at what I was doing in the game, what I liked doing, and were those two aligning enough to justify paying 15 dollars a month for it. I'm an RP person, but I'm mostly disgusted with what RP in WoW has turned into over the years. I realized that it was not fun paying 15 dollars an hour to stand around and gossip in the cities.

>caverns of time instances
>in vanilla

>KT heritage armor chest clips through capes

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>make cool game
>corporate managers cycle out off cool game because 'u need a break'
>bring in b team
>b team doesnt know what they are doing
>b team does things corporate tells them to do 'because studies show consumers want this and it will generate more money
>players get mad and leave
>b team gets fired
>play testers and office whores get 'promoted' to become the new team
>original team realizes they are never going to be allowed to work on their main game because corporate doesnt want players to think certain developers/programers are more important than the other office drones because then they might have to listen to them or pay them more so they form their own company to start the cycle all over again
>game is perpetually being ran by people who dont know what they are doing but get to keep their jobs because they do what they are told

ever wonder why there arent any richard garriots or jake songs from the current generation of game devs? Because corporate interests no longer support a culture of developer celebrity. Corporations do not believe their individual workers have value as individuals, the third world work force meme has become so invasive that the upper echelons of management have embraced what use to be simple propaganda and treat everyone as disposable and replaceable. And the result is rehashes, progression servers, and re-releases that rely on recycling old/existing content because a company full of yes-men promoted from diversity hires, nepotism hires, visa workers, and (un)paid internships doesnt have the skill or intelligence to generate new or engaging content.

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nice

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sounds cool, but is there a cemented meta you MUST play to do well at all though? I don't mind being a bit under the curve but being useless irks me.

Well, I'm very much a Legion baby. My earliest experience of WoW was watching my brother play it when I was around 8 or 9. It didnt appear in my life again until later in high school when I became friends with a guy who was a huge Blizzard fan. All his talk eventually got me to give WoW a try, around the time Legion had been announced. I guess I just wanted to try it out and feel what it was like to be a part of the biggest mmo for once. My journey through Legion was very hit or miss. I joined a guild and we cleared heroic EN, I later joined a more progressive guild that started clearing mythic NH, but that never went anywhere. I got burnt out during the broken shore and only later came back to a wowg guild that was pretty damn bad. I only remember a few people from it, and I remember they sometimes had trouble with normal ToS, which is pathetic I know. Then I went in with another wowg guild during Uldir, which, while they werent the best at Heroic, it was pretty fun. But sure enough, the azerite, islands and the lack of anything else interesting made me feel burnt out. I came back around last month to try out BoD. We were doing heroic, but the furthest we ever came was clearing Rastakhan. When I resubbed and logged in this friday, only 5 people were online, and I found out they switched to FF. So long story short: Curiosity, and a hope of things getting better I guess.
My main character right now is actually on an RP realm. I don't think I've ever encountered any people with trp in Kul Tiras who actually took the time to RP. It's only standing around in Stormwind.

my bad yeah i thought they were conflating vanilla/tbc/wotlk but that one post only referred to vanilla

the bit about caverns of time is relevant to the actual point of what made wod possible though. the time travel rules that blizz were using in the story up to wrath had to be rewritten (ie ignored) in order to write the wod story

kind of. recently there's been a trend of people spamming stuff that permaslows which is the meta. but beyond that you can come out with any setup thats created within reason and do well. the combat system is largely rewarding for people with the gameplay mechanics down as opposed to build setup, but build still plays an important role.

>Started in high school. At Legion.
Fuck me I'm old. I was in high school playing Vanilla. Guess that all checks out though, if Legion is your point of reference. It's good to know that even people starting this late in the xpac cycle can even see the poor quality though, I've always wondered if a majority of the hate came from people who just wanted 'their' experience back depending on when they started playing.

The thing that annoyed me about WoD was how convoluted it was. Time travel expansion? Fine, we've done it before, and the idea of an expansion based on a Kalimdor before the Sundering was a speculated expansion theme. Alternate timeline? Stretching it, kinda feels like a distraction, and it opens some very uncomfortable can of worms that fuck with the setting (like one Legion across ALL dimensions). Alternate time in the past? Too much.

Don't get me wrong, I think time travel is something that breaks settings and it should never be done unless your setting is built from the ground up to handle it.

I used to roll around on Shadow Council from 2007-2012. Watching it slowly bleed RPers to Wyrmrest Accord was a sad thing. And watching RP Hordeside just turn into Alliance RP, with only elves also sad. And I say that as someone who mained a blood elf. But I at least kept a troll shaman and tauren druid around for when I wanted to do something other than stand in SMC and gossip, or "house politics". Which was basically just gossip. Trying to find RP on both factions that isn't just stand around a city, or locked behind a guild is hard.

Can you redpill me on what the issues with the game are now? Haven't played in years. All I want, really, is to have fun clearing challenging raids with good friends. Is that doable? All the anti-social stuff like dungeon grouping sounds bad but if raiding with guilds is still a thing, it might be alright.

capes are and always will be shit

Honestly you might be okay then. Raids seemed to be the one thing getting consistently more complex and interesting. My issues have never really been with the content specifically, more just how you interact with it. Classes are super homogenized so nothing feels unique or special anymore. Plus the obvious one that everyone brings up, server community is completely destroyed. As far as specific issues though there are genuinely way to many to list off. The game just feels incredibly shallow now, it's completely devoid of soul.

Remember you're looking at a 14 year old game who's story was never good.
>Nuh uh the expansion is ne-
Shut the fuck up. Do you think the game would magically have 10 million subscribers if they brought wrath back. The game is fucking old

Not that user, another thing I'll give modern WoW is that the past couple expansions have been making armor that's up my alley. The classes have been losing their identity, but there's been enough armor that catches my interest.

Like, a lot of the alliance plate in BfA is stuff I've wanted for almost a decade.

It's as anti-social as you let it be. If you get on a high-pop server and engage with people, you'll form a community fairly quickly.

>Do you think the game would magically have 10 million subscribers if they brought wrath back.

Well there's clearly a gigantic group of people who want to play the older game, so yes.

Haven't really seen any of the new armor design, but I still don't think anything will have my attention like Vanilla. I'm not even against turbo-pauldrons and fuckhuge weapons, they just need a contrast in order to feel special. You hear this kind of shit a lot but it can't be over stated- the feeling of seeing someone in T1, hell even T0 back in vanilla for the first time really made an impact. You wanted to be that person. Now everything is super over designed and the difference between tier sets and regular ass armor is harder and harder to distinguish. When everything is special, nothing is.

fpbp

Ion.

Think I'm joking? I'm not. That stupid faggot had literally 0 game development experience, and was a lawyer prior to becoming head of WoW. Even with his ship sinking like the fucking titanic, he continues to be an arrogant shit, and imply the players don't know what they want, and continues to double down on what they hate.

You can literally see a timeline of how badly he has fucked WoW ever since he signed on. Its been nothing but shit. He got the position because he is buttbuddies with blizzard execs.

Blizzard has essentially thrown their hands up with WoW and already admitted beta for azeroth is a steaming pile and to wait for the next expansion.

WoD main point was to show the characters of the movie

XIV is better

That isn't saying much because XIV isn't good either.

It's mostly the Kul Tiras stuff. And the new footman-type of armor looked really good too.

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There is alot of lore in BfA to back it up

I want a Human wife

This
Nu-Blizz will burn for this

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Found it. Even if the pauldrons are too oversized, it's nice to have some armor designs that have detail to them without having particle effects and general magic stuff all over it.

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Blizz could make up lore to back up any amount of their retarded shit.

>The overwatch lore itself is a pretty good setup for a story
that's a yikes from me, dog

they literally made the game so shit millions of people are hyped for that 14 year old game
shut the fuck up retard

I use that on my Gnome DK, it works pretty well as a Gnome set with their tabard and a purple cloak.

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I dunno, these almost look like WotLK leveling sets. They don't look terrible, it just seems like Blizzard has run out of ideas. Not that I can blame them, I don't know how you keep things fresh and interesting after 14 god damn years. But you'd think maybe they'd try something a bit more radical than just reusing the same armor models with new textures.

>The overwatch lore itself is a pretty good setup for a story
For a Pixar movie

He was nowhere near his full power (too soon Executus), but nothing at the time did not imply we didn't kill him, that's just a later retcon

It was worse in WotLK but pre-WotLK it was good. Only retards complain about TBC, and no one complains about vanilla.

WoD is unironically magnitudes better than BfA

I'm just glad for "low fantasy" armor that isn't stuck with textures old enough to predate 9/11.

This

>quit wow finally
>started playing xiv
>hundreds of hours of garbage story grind just sitting there with my totally mute pc and fetch quests killed the game for me by the time I was 70
>quit
>started playing tortanic three weeks ago
>having fun just casually doing the different stories and playing around with the dialog
>trying out all the ops now
>pvp from time to time
>actually having fun

Community is pretty small, but its neat. Basically like an older version of wow but in space.

Totally agree with that. I like low fantasy aesthetic and the juxtaposition against the super high fantasy stuff Blizzard is known for is actually pretty neat. It's definitely going to be jarring looking at the super low-res textures once Classic drops. I still wish they'd overhaul the styles though, especially when you look at something like FFXIV that has an enormous amount of armor variety and still manages to look great and interesting.

I know what you mean. What I wouldn't do for cloaks that aren't just superhero capes.

Reminder that Male Draenei are lowkey one of the best Alliance men.
>Largest male choice
>If you're gay barafags love them
>If you're straight Night Elf females love them for some reason, on top of being outnumbered by your own women 3 to 1

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They're going to keep doing artifact power/azerite type bullshit because it caters to casualfags. Before, the only way to progress/improve your character at max level was to get better gear. There's a very finite amount of better gear sources as a casualfag that all run out quickly. But now, all they have to do is log in and go to a world quest to save turtles and they get to fill up a bar that eventually will level up their thing that gives a tiny bit more stats. That's """progress""" for them.
Anything to keep people on the treadmill

no it fucking wasn't. You never played during WoD if you think that, and if you did, you need to take off your rose-tinted glasses.
BfA is bad - but the lowest point is still WoD. Nothing can fucking top an ENTIRE content patch giving people fucking selfie cams!

TOR is pretty nice but it reminds me of WoW too much and i would have to play realizing it will never be as good as WoW was.
Beside TOR
EVE and ESO are only MMOs worth anything but EVE is too autistic and time consuming and ESO unfortunately tried to be Bethesda GS game and MMORPG at the same time and instead of good at one it became medicore at both.

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I actually thought they'd solved this problem in WotLK with 10 man raids. It essentially opened the game in 2 lanes, a casual style and a hardcore style. The latter obviously had the better rewards, as it should, but the former was still rewarding and opened the door for a more casual friendly experience. I think they should have just stopped there.

Anyone else remember 2.2 just being a patch for a voice chat no one would use?

The Horde equivalent looks real nice too.

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I still can never get over how some pauldrons look like they're floating on the orc's shoulders.

Those shoulders look like they're 2 feet off that Orc's shoulders, Jesus Christ.

I know what you mean. Still, these are some of the best generic "Alliance" and "Horde" looking sets in a long time

Yeah, I'm sticking with tor for a bit. Its getting some big qol updates soon, and another expansion.

It is like a shittier space wow, but its still better than nu-wow, so its fine. EVE was cool for a year, but it burnt me out. ESO is fucking god awful, the combat makes me want to claw my eyes out.

Is there any good MMO out there anymore? Feels like I am stuck in an endless loop here.

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>Trial of Style has cosmetic rewards
>Recolors of absolute garbage sets
>Every time they put out a new round of sets, it's still recolors of garbage nobody asked for

...

Nope. They've all been sanitized

Realistically? No. MMO's are effectively dead as a genre.

Fuck no.

notice how you can look under them.

why are WoW weapons often so ugly too? the last armor I found acceptable for DK's was tier 10, scourgelord. It looks sauron/dark lord esque but not ridiculously overdesigned. For weapon? TBC torch of the damned, purple is kino.

>no artifact uhh I mean azerite power
>proper class design, at least to the point where I felt the class I'd been playing for 10 years had at least ONE fun spec
>personal loot was still an OPTION for the most part
>no hamfisting of women as leaders everywhere
>great dungeons and raids (although BfA allegedly has some okay raids)
>best OST of any expansion after vanilla
>actually kept me playing for more than two weeks

It was MUCH better than BfA

Just let it die

>defending WoD
jesus fucking christ

Sneed

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WoD was literally better than BFA. They did the fucking impossible and made something worse than WoD.

It still saddens me that we can never get Teron Gorefiend's weird polearm thing.

Not an argument

And isn't like the fucking pandas can pic their faction anyway. The whole race tied to factions thing is obsolete by now. But hey! Blizzard never gives a shit about anything players want so why bother?

Kill yourself, allicuck

>actually enjoyed start of BFA, mainly with world pvp
>Then zandalari took too long
>kul tirans took too long
>first raid was fucking boring as shit and was around for too long
>we finally learned how fucking awful Azerite power was
>entire Guild gone when we found out just how long we would be waiting for actual content
>any and all interesting mechanics to do with Azerite abilities get nerfed to the ground instantly
>have to find new gear every week to avoid to blizzard nerfing and changing traits
>the fucking GCD changes holy shit why

What a fucking terrible expansion. Any sensible person could have easily made it 10x better with a few changes.

Down to 1.7m ONE MONTH after BFA launch. But it still mean that game which once had 12m is fine, right? Its faul of mmos being dead genre or smth.

Stop defending blizzard, fucking drone. Game is compelte dogshit. Its so bad it cant even be called game anymore. Wake the fuck up.

Are elemental shaman and shadow priests fixed yet?

feels bad

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I don't play anymore. I doubt it though.

development cycle, bad lead designer, the good guys left and the nu-guys need experience on the field. Also there is actually an A-B team for WoW.
A TEAM: Wrath, Pandaria, Legion
B TEAM: Cata, Draenor, BfA
see a pattern here ?

they get more money from selling dolls than they get from subs
they sabotage their game on purpose to scale it down
its all about the IP now

I disagree. Those special extras have a lesser perceived value if the overall game has a lower population.

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They're both pretty high on the dps charts now. Whether or not it feels good idk because I've never played those specs

By having arrogant developers and super loyal fan base.

elemental shaman is the same as it always was.

I love my young and perfect wife Jaina.

This honestly makes the most sense. It's the only thing that explains why they intentionally make awful choices at every turn.

Fuck Activision-Blizzard and the 20 people who are still subscribed to World of Warcraft. They stopped giving a shit so long ago

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Only EVE
But only turbo autists are be able to invest enough time into it to be fun.

>Read about retail for the first time in months
>They made Mekkatorque and Jaina raid bosses
>Both of whom ENOUGH! you at %1 health
What the fuck is going on with this game, this shit's stupid as all hell.

reminder that there are people

IN THIS THREAD

who cannot make 1 million gold in one month, which is enough gold to pay a sub for 10 months

That surely isn't me but 95% of players are permanently broke niggers

>there are people in this thread that uniroincally play bfa
y i k e s, also get a fucking job.

Vanilla didn't even have a story. You were just adventuring throughout the world of warcraft. TBC did almost the same thing with adventuring in Outland, except you got to be there for a few key moments and help take out some big baddies to halt the Burning Legion from taking over the place. WOTLK was story heavy, and that's when WoW went from adventuring in the world to adventuring for the storyline.

>get a fucking job
Yes, get a job to make me more mon-I mean, be useful to society! You are truly a great resource, waking up at 6 am every day to spend it sitting in a cubicle for 8+ hours. What's that, you want to spend your weekend relazing playing games? Silly you, I need you to work overtime! For no pay of course, but isn't your contribution to my new yacht-- I mean to society enough?

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but cata was good

Based. Cataclysm is underrated as fuck

Fuck what up? All of "WoW Killers" pushed by Yea Forums a DECADE ago don't even exist anymore.
and who the fuck plays the same game nonstop for 15 years. The fact that they still have such a following says a lot

You can easily make it in a couple of days of 2 x 4 farming if you don't value your time

Damn my dad has that. It's really rough especially since he supposedy doesn't believe in mental illness and thinks everything is connected to "spirits" or "god". It's been a tough decade since he really started losing it and getting more agressive. I think the worst part is seeing him push away all his friends and family, the people who care about him most.

Anyway take care user and continue to take your meds and counseling. I've seen the alternative. No one is happy.

is that suppose to be jaina?

Solve this for me about Blizzard anons, will you?

>have such a rich, beautiful and adaptable world in their hands
>with also lots of interesting characters, some of them even memorable outside of WoW
>being once the greatest MMO of all time, the undisputed King of the genre with no competition and with dozens of millions of subscribers offering amazing, and now iconic, content
>but then decide to merge with ACTIVISION of all companies, even though their ideologies about gaming until that point were completely different (Acti mass-produces some souless games while Blizzard didn't back then)
>all of a sudden they can't continue making good games anymore and every successive expansion after the pinnacle of WOTLK feels worse that the previous one with bleeding subscribers
>can't write for shit at this point and deciding to diversity and woman hire without any significant skill in order to become more "in" with the younger new mon...*audience*
>turns out having these diversity hires don't really help with the writing as it was believed
>but they help with scoring Cali/diversity points
>aside from the fucked up story and the autistic persistance with the Alliance v. Horde dichotomy now you suddenly have "stronk wamen" running everywhere around the place in positions of power, many times with no reason to support lorewise, just to push IRL agendas in a fantasy world
>game has become incredibly casualized compared to what it was at this point and has lost the true meaning of an MMO without proper co-ops and connections between players
>yet still continue with shameless Acti-Blizz moneygrabbing policies
>the magic is lost for good at that point
>mfw when Blizzard managed to self-sabotage and fuck up what it once proudly was in the gaming world in less that 10 years

>No King Lives Forever

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Say hello to Theranomore, Christie

I hope they actually go through with doing a level squish.

100 should have been the final attainable player level.

you can't get the yellow & purple ebon greatswords either, you know, that the ebon Knights in Archerus hold. Blizzard was asked about putting them into the abomination vendor, but they said lolno.

Not a single thing you listed is even remotely inherently interesting. A good story based on these characters COULD be told, however nothing suggests that it would be any good, least of all the absolutely braindead generic "world" of Overwatch.

either wow gets better, or it dies and takes MMO's with it

Solve what? It looks like you solved it yourself

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>>Elves on the Horde, as if dead Humans weren't bad enough
BElves obviously should be in the 3rd faction along with eredar, drainei and naga.
The problem was in "2 factions" policy, so the Horde was the only place where they could settled
>>Dude Illidan's evil too,
He was evil back in TFT

Void elves are the worst race in the game, followed by pandaren and belves

That's not Zandalari

Also known as the "we want the Black Panther audience" race

I love male Pandaren while I find draenei men to be repulsive.

>Make their aesthetics themed around ancient Aztecs
>Make their entire personality Black Panther
Why is the art team the only good part left of WoW?

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At least Zandalari have some lore behind them and nice city and heritage armor
Also
>play nonEnglish version
>avoid all shitty references and enjoy pure Aztecs+dino experience
Feels good

I'm afraid that this will be the final act in this whole play.
I merely posted the situation user. The question of why they continued to keep shooting themselves in the leg with each and every subpar expansion remains to be answered.

>Start a DH
>Get the "Sargerite Keystone"
>Said to be able to open a portal to all "Legion worlds"
>That's all that's explained
>Use it in the DH class campaign to travel to a Legion world
>Not used again until the ToS
>Illidan pulls it out and uses it to travel to Azeroth, not a Legion world
Getting rid of the excess support was a good start, but the WoW team needs a thorough culling, starting with the writers

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What are you going to do when the autismbux run out?

It's funny cause Legion was great once they got rid of the AP grind.

The answer is they're still turning a profit. They have no incentive to change their practices if the game is still a financial success. In fact it would be fiscally irresponsible and could even get them in trouble with shareholders.

Haha, nice joke.
Please god no

>implying they ever will

>Our playerbase has a very high engagement rate with our content, but there are complaints about the unpredictability of powerful loot, how easy the content is and that the main reason to do content is the rewards, not the content itself. Also, Artifact Power has the backlash of feeling like a mandatory grind, even after all traits have been achieved. Social pressure and a minor stat increase make Artifact Power too necessary to ever really stop grinding out.
>I KNOW HOW ABOUT IN OUR NEXT EXPANSION WE KEEP THE SAME CONTENT, INTRODUCE MORE EVEN EASIER BULLSHIT "CONTENT", COMPLETELY NEUTER ANY REWARDS, MAKE ARTIFACT POWER FUCKING MANDATORY TO GRIND FOREVER OR YOU CAN'T USE GEAR AND HAVE OUR ENTIRE PLAYERBASE CHASE INCREDIBLY HIGH RNG LOOTBOOSTS OH AND LET'S REMOVE THE ONE THING ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE LOVED IN LEGION: THE FEELING OF POWER. LET'S JUST RIP THE ENTIRE ARTIFACT AND LEGENDARY SYSTEM OUT AND I GUESS WE'LL TRY TO FIX THE BROKEN CLASSES LATER OR SOMETHING LMAO
>WTF WHY ARE YOU UNSUBBING PLEASE COME BACK FREE WEEKEND BUY OUR TOYS HERE'S A FAT GOLDEN PIG FOR YOU TO RIDE

Is any of the war 3 to wotlk writer crew left? sure, a rando sword as ashbringer couldn't dent a legion superweapon like frostmourne, but the rest of the xpac was lovely. DK intro quests are kino man. sometimes you just gotta edge man!

I guess it just comes with becoming to big to fail and thinking your shit doesn't stink. Blizzard honestly could be in an amazing place right now but money went to the leaders and owners heads

Not really, it was just decent compared to BFA.

Only good part of BfA coming through

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It's so fucking dumb. I wanted the old vanilla/BC era war glaives since I think the current ones are too big. But we'll never see those.

>christie golden
>nathanos self-insert dude
It seems like WoW story needs a good cleaner

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>replacing one Mary Sue with another one
lol

Siege of Orgrimmar closely followed by Antorus will always remain the peak of WoW to me. The absolute bullshit amount of power you get and the chance to abuse it to its fullest is just so goddamn appealing in MMOs to me.
Becoming such a god that I can solo tank most fights in a raid on the highest difficulties, not just because of stats on gear but also execution, the ability to solo current expansion raids, oneshotting equal level mobs and just going back and fully experiencing the entire game. It's beautiful.

I would honestly prefer Knaak being the main writer with his boner for dragons than Golden and Sylvanas fan boy

>Bungie hated this because it made them dedicate resources toward rushed projects rather than spending resources making quality content that couldn't be released in the timeline.
This is patently false. Anyone involved with Destiny around the time of Taken King knows the old promises: Our engine sucks, it takes weeks to make small changes, so we're making Destiny 2 on a new engine.

Then Destiny 2 came out.
Then the DLCs came out.
Then, finally as Forsaken came out, some real changes were made.

But there's still no new engine, content will still be slow, and the consumer has taught them they'll gladly buy a shitty base game AND 2 shitty DLCs before finally paying AGAIN for the fixes to the game a year later.
Ultimately, this all comes down to what the consumer is teaching the producer. In Blizzard's case, they were taught people wanted level boosts, faction swaps, easier content, etc. They were taught this by an overwhelming casual normie population that, as they always always always do, fled to the next shiny toy once they finished ruining the current one.

Knaak at least had funny memes. I'll take Rhonin's goddamn raptor army over the fucking Sylvanas/Jaina jizzfest any day of the week.

But that's not Umbric

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a glaive is not a practical weapon, and IRL glaives are more like spears with scimitars attached, but I agree you should be able to fashion it. why can't we reshade/dye our armor? it's minimal work for blizzard to do.

>Heres your new race out of nowhere, bro. They are... umm... elves, but purple.
Thats Blizzard writing nowdays

The real croc of shit is that kultiran cannot be Paladins, and for having the most tank friendly racial in the game can only play 3 of the tank classes; only one of which is any good right now.

Should've made a warrior and done the arms quest

>why can't we reshade/dye our armor?
Because that would make it harder for Blizzard to pass off recolors are totally new armor designs.

they can be druids and normal humans can't, so doesn't it balance out?

>hipster leftist
>good part
The only good part of VElves is shitstorm about high Elves

Not replacing, sending one Marry Sue after worst ones

>Heres your new race out of nowhere, bro. They are... umm... elves, but purple.
>Tauren, but Moose antlers
>Night Elves, but Horde-allied and look like strung out crack addicts
>Draenei, but Super Saiyan
>Humans, but fat
>Trolls, but Chad

Sorry user, litertally all their paladins died in Drustvar along with Lightforged reinforcements
Don't mess with da vodoo

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>"minimal work for Blizzard"
Do you have ANY idea how atrociously hard it is to work with an engine that's 2 decades old? They'd have to manually put EVERY SINGLE COLOR COMBINATION of an item into the database and code every single armor piece of yours to switch between its several thousands of appearances constantly, persist through transformations, teleports. Transmogrification works because it's linked to item IDs. That shit would not work for recoloring.

Kultiran's have 1 entire class less than Zandalari (balance, obviously), despite that one class having actual basis on Kultiran side since WC3 and Troll shit was made up by some retarded redditors that got hired to write.

>Kultiran side since WC3
kys

Kek man, do we want new designs though? wotlk is my fave looks wise as it is less ridiculous and more down-to-earth and mid/low fantasy based. Are WOTLK 'mogs popular? I didn't play in ages.

I thought modern devs got assitence for it and the engine/code does 90% of the work? or is wow's too old for it?

Oh no, I know that but I wasn't the first poster. Adding a dye function this late in the game would be a tremendous amount of work since you have to edit every single armor texture in the game, I know it's not as easy as just like 'put an overlay on the armor lol'. That said though, even if the task were simple Blizzard wouldn't do it because they rely on the recolor crutch so fucking hard.

All of these were introduced at least in legion, some even in wc3. Void elves are literaly pulled out of the ass.

which one exactly? as AFAIK all of warcraft 3's loose ends got ''completed'' with WOTLK. also, why we got the antler fags instead Taunka baffles me.

but you have to interact with people to do mythic raiding and it's supposed to be the goal of the game
lvling as stopped being interesting the moment people learned how to play

WoW's engine is a heavily modified version of what they used for WC3. That does not mean that you could run WoW in a WC3 custom map even though Rexxar's campaign in TFT is better than BfA in every regard, but it means that it's just an outdated, archaic piece of shit that is a nightmare to work with. It's the reason why so much is based on recycling content and why it's actually a big deal whenever something has a unique model without just reusing another model's skeleton.

Even if you have a wonder of black magic like MT Framework, you still wanna update that shit. Capcom did, with absolutely fucking massive success. Blizzard has refused to do this for literal decades.

And are written better than Blood Elves have been ever since all their problems were solved at the end of TBC when Velen unclogged their magic toilet bowl.

>And are written better than Blood Elves
Quite opposite

Sounds like what Disney doing to Star Wars

why do you think it's weird that a person who was instrumental in killing multiple old gods, the scourge leaders, and deathwing would be made a leader? You're probably one of the people fucking up the economy by doing the work of three managers for an intern's pay.

>Kul'Tiran women are outnumbered 3 to 1 by the men
Proof that nobody likes fat women

Blood Elves at least had some development in Mists of Pandaria when they had to decide where they want their place in the world to be.
Now, however, Blood Elves are figuratively and literally irrelevant.
What is the Blood Elves' role in the Horde? They were the sophisticated, noble, haughty, golden magic users that wrinkle their nose at bad smells, using powerful magic for their convenience and employing magic robots to do manual labor for them.
That is just what the Nightborne do now, and they do it exclusively. The only occurrence of a Blood Elf doing something in Zandalar is in a Nightborne camp with the Nightborne doing EXACTLY what the Blood Elves have done before, but suddenly the Blood Elf is upset at them doing it.

The risks involved with redesigning an engine this matured would absolutely not be worth it. It's a shame, but it will literally never happen. It would be really interesting to see what WoW would be like in a modern engine though. I almost wish they'd rebuilt Classic in something new just as a test, but that would still be a huge investment.

I'm truly, honestly amazed at how awful Blizzard's gay characters are
>They were actually gay all along, sorry for never hinting it
>And their partner was this completely irrelevant person who ia completely devoid of an actual personality.
>And will never be brought back ever again

Meanwhile TF2 gave Heavy two sisters, made one of them fuck Soldier and she's now one of the best characters in the whole plot just from all the sexually charged violent naked bullshit the two of them head off to do on occasion. This character has no right to exist yet it does and is spectacular.

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>who wrinkle their nose at bad smells
>the first thing they did in WoW was ally with literal corpses

>WoW2:WoW Harder
It's not like it wouldn't sell 10 million on launch. It's not like people wouldn't be used already to losing all their progress on a new release. People wanna lose everything and start over with a coherent art style in Classic anyways, without their precious mount and transmog collection.

Neverwinter is fucking great tbqhlad

>QUICK, SAY SOMETHING RACIST
I truly wish every game could have lore as amazing as TF2.

That's because you're a tasteless obese furry

how about an alt timeline if reforged does good? and I'm pretty sure it will. as other activision comissioned remakes (spyro and crash) did so too.

Dumbshit. He wasn't at full power and you were with 39 other dudes. We were originally playing as people that would have been the fodder troops and units in the original WC's. Fuck off.

You dont need to do mythic raiding to get best gear in the game.

A day after I unsubbed I got a 425 weapon from a Warfront I half afk'd through.
I wasn't aware that Warfront gear could titanforge that high to begin with.

This has been the common theory/dream for most fans. Relaunch Classic and if it does well spin it in to a 'WoW 2' or 'WoW Re-imagined' sort of deal. Only time will tell I guess, but I'd say the chances are extremely low. Then again people said the same thing about Classic servers, so I mean maybe there's a chance?

I still have hope we'll see a Warcraft 4... One day...

>Remember back in cataclysm, when heroics got changed back to TBC standards?
I remember this, and I remember looking at post histories. 90% of the whining was done by idiot motherfuckers whose ideas of "how good vanilla was" came for poopsocking retards with rose-tinted glasses. Like literally
>this game is too easy! make it hard like it was!
>okay, sure. we'll design mob packs just like it was in T2 vanilla, relative to lv85 gear/stats.
>waaaahhhhhhhh, this game is too hard I can't kill anything by myself in this 5 man!
is what happened.

WoW players by and large don't want a challenge and they don't want interesting gameplay; what they want is to be able to lord something over other people. They want to be the 1%ers in Azeroth because they aren't anything in real life, so anything that lets more people experience the same things they do and have nice things alongside them diminishes their fun, because in their crab-bucket of a brain, fun is a zero-sum game.

tl;dr: WoW players have always been and will always be stupid cunts who deserve what they get because nothing will make them happy anyways.

There's just no real market for RTS these days, which sucks. I'd say there's a chance if Reforged does well, but even then it'd have to do 'really' well to warrant the development time and resources to make a proper sequel.

Play Neverwinter.

There's no market because nobody's making any aside from Koei shitting out an RotTK game or SEGA Europe shitting out a Total War

but say, it does super well, doesn't Activision get to command blizzard as money talks?

i would agree except in my own experience i feel that class design and feel is a bigger contributor to people not enjoying the game, i have played a DK since wrath and while they fucked up the class slowly through the years the BfA designs is no longer the class i know and love, it's hard to explain or even assume that other people can know how it feels to have a spec butchered, redesigned and pidgeon holed into one boring thing only, in my case a heavy breathing dual stick flailing bootleg rogue. MM hunters, Surv hunters, Shamans, im sure there are others that feel as i am.

The problem with that theory is WoW was fundamentally flawed from the start.

Undead have no place in the real Horde, and Night Elves are better off neutral and had no real reason to throw their lot in with the Alliance after the Third War.

The Vanilla factions would be objectively better if they had been:
Alliance
>Human
>High Elf
>Gnome
>Dwarf
Horde
>Orc
>Troll
>Ogre
>Goblin

>10€ for a name change
This will NEVER stop being the worst of all of them.

I'm not sure what you're asking. If Reforged does exceptionally well and shows that there is a market for that sort of game, then why wouldn't Activision want to take advantage of that? That's how business works.

Sure, just make half of the factions of WC3 unplayable and cut Tauren from the Horde you fucking imbecile.
It's not like Arthas or Illidan were popular or something lmao

Yeah right those fodder troops in Redridge could kill an elemental lord. Retard stop sucking classic dick painting the story as anything different to today. It was shit then and it's shit now.

>complaining about azerite power
spoken like a true casual. i bet your hoa isn't even at 48 yet kid

This has basically no impact on making a good game though. Especially an MMO.

>not wanting a third faction
FORCES OF KALIMDOR
>Night Elf
>Tauren
>Dryads
>Treants
>Chimaeras
>Furbolgs

It makes no sense to separate Tauren from the Horde, a key point of the Warcraft 3 campaign is the Tauren joining up. The only real issue in the original faction selection was the Forsaken, but they did that for marketing reasons. The developers wanted to give UD players from WC3 an option to play, so they forced them onto the Horde, rather than just biting the bullet and leaving them out of the initial release, and we're still dealing with the consequences down.

I actually got nauseous when I briefly resubbed in BfA because every 30s some world quest voice would call me 'Champion' over and over and over. They couldn't even mix it up and say 'friend' or 'hero' sometimes. Something about that really made me sick.

>appearance change
Uhh, did they remove barbers from the game or something?

Champion, I've been looking everywhere for you

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Barbers can't change your gender.

Because it is impossible to change the gender you were assigned at birth. Even Blizzard knows this.

Too bad it's impossible to get your human female to look like that, instead she's about 100lbs heavier default. I can't believe WoW doesn't even have slider technology yet, there's zero customization in chara creation in the biggest MMO ever, what a joke.

youtu.be/sgKmHHGBX4I
Fucking Khadgar, FUCKING KHADGAR

GO AWAY

There was Chromie's quest chain in the Plaguelands in vanilla though

I've mained DK from day 1 and they didn't fuck up the class, they just left it in the dust with the BFA utility changes. Legion is the best DK's ever been and BFA is largely just a continuation of the same improvements. Unholy finally feels like you're playing a game instead of following a braindead flow chart where none of your button presses are very interesting or impactful and Frost is more of the same it's always been except now you actually do more than hit 2-3 buttons with a pillar every minute. I don't like Legion blood but that's because WoD blood was very stress-free and I like lazy tanking, Legion blood is undoubtedly better designed with better levers to tune to make it less of a "great or shit" spec. Now, if they could do something for dps DK both numbers-wise and utility-wise we'd have a reason to exist again. In the mean time no one wants us over a ww/war/dh/rogue.

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I am not obese. I run a lot so I am more fit.
Pandarens are much more friendly, they are not obsessed religious fanatics and this already makes them so much more better than Draenei.

If you think Legion was the best DK ever was you either weren't paying attention or forgot just how broken they were from day 1

she's coming

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I don't care about the practicality of it. I just want those thinner blades. I think they're more aesthetically pleasing.

I'm pretty nostalgic for early Cata desu. Aq40 was as far as i got preBC, and I quit late in each expansion and for good at the end of Cata, but walking into heroic SFK and getting completely stomped by the first boss and actually having to sit there and plan it out, because of the lack of published strategy, with my guild was fun. And Blackwing Descent is one of my all time favorite raids.

XIV has a fucking great art department. I just wish the actual game at the level cap was more interesting. The boss fights were fun sometimes but every raid being just single boss arenas got old.

I don't enjoy playing or learning broken shit because I'm not a knobgobbling tryhard.

My perfect wife on the left.

This. And only 4 raid bosses per tier is really really weak. Only one challenging raid difficulty is too.

Pretty much. It sucks too because when XIV is fun, it's really fun, but outside of those few instances the experience is totally devoid of substance and soul. I wish we lived in a timeline where game devs worked together and we got a perfect hybrid of XIV and Classic WoW.

>HotS treats WarCraft with more respect than WoW itself
>They pull the plug on it's competitive scene and effectively tell everyone else to fuck off

>Even bloody Asmongold has lost faith in wow
I looked him up out of curiosity a few days ago just to see how he's handling this expansion. The WoW devs somehow managed to make an expansion so bad that he was actually outside during the daytime doing yardwork.

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I can’t do that. Please tell me how

>While Hearthstone lore twists are more interesting than WOW story

>I've mained DK from day 1

>I don't enjoy playing or learning broken shit

i mean sure, but there has to be some advancement. it would be weird to have played sicne classic, done all the raids, and quests, and still have people think your some random fodder hobo. at some point the players characters have to be acknowledged or it gets even more odd. they didn't need to go overboard , and suck your cock super hard, but anyone who seriously thinks that the PC needs to be a random hobo, or a god character is wrong, as the best spot would be a bit of a middle ground. all you need is some recognition, the best example i can think of is the alliance questing in borean tundra where one of the first quests is talking to a recruiter who acknowledges that you were a relevant person who helped in BC, and you get to skip the line. small shit like that is all the player needs.
TL:DR at this point not getting your cock sucked, could be just as retarded as getting it sucked.

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There's nothing more sad than when they abolished the Blizzard Classic category and relabeled TLV as "Nexus"

I actually got a job after quitting this game. Not even kidding.
It's crazy how much WoW has basically dictated my life before that, it was an actual addiction I believe.

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I played WoW for the lore. I don't know how you guys can keep up doing the same thing over and over again.

Keep in mind these services are for one fucking character. How the faction change, race change, and server transfer is that expensive is beyond me. Actually any of those. What a shitty game

I played for the ERP

>hearthstone
>patches out Jaina's .jpg cleavage
Stupidity is seeping into even the good parts of Blizzard now.

because i grew up with the game since warcraft 1, and diablo 1. at this point even if i dont like it, im staying with it.

They can't ruin the gratuitous amounts of Overwatch porn, at least.

MMOs are just in a really shitty fucking place right now and you'd be better off playing something a regular single player RPG. I know it's not what you asked for but every time someone asks what MMO to play and that nothing on the current market appeals to them, I give them this answer. They're shit. Stop playing them.

CRPGs tend to be pretty similar to MMOs in mechanics, customization and exploration if that's what you liked MMOs for. I recommend Divinity OS2, Neverwinter Nights 2 or Pillars of Eternity 2.

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Asmongold earned a shitton of money and got enchanted by a pair of tits. He can't play anything else other than Apex anymore, he said himself that he basically doesn't even care about video games in general anymore. Every game other than Wow he tried playing resulted in colossal failure.

The last MMO I enjoyed is dead and gone forever

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i will never understand the hate on lfr and lfd. war-/titanforging in lfr is shit and shouldnt be a thing(it should completly removed from the game). but you guys started hating on it in mop onwards which i dont get. its just a tourist mode for the casuals that dont want to commit to a set schedule while still getting to see the raids.
i dont play bfa but i assume things havent changed since legion so what bad does it do? when i was raiding heroic i couldnt give 2 shits about lfr, it basically was invisble to me. if you want to raid anything remotely challeging you need a static anyways or atleast a way to filter out people so hitting the random button wont get you anywhere.
same thing with the lfd tool. people act like the lfd tool killed world traveling but if you do anything above heroic dungeons you still need to run to the dungeons.

you can log in to your lvl 20+ characters tho

Just did a black temple run and was reminded how boring this game really is. Exited and done. After classic im done with wow.

the story was way better in vanilla. Tbc and onward ruined it.

>Divinity OS2
user, I have been searching /vg/ for a Divinity general and I couldn't find one. I thought it was pretty popular. I 've been thinking of creating the first one myself if it doesn't exist.

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I didn't really care for Legion either. World Quests were mostly just recycling rares and zone quests you already did. Broken Shore was fucking awful and the game makes you spend a stupid amount of time there. The dungeons are all pretty unremarkable and the mythic system makes you run them over and over with slight changes. Demon Hunter was a terribly boring class, just Rogue with a couple new gimmicks and none of its depth.

Yeah it was better than WoD, but moldy bread is better than dried shit.

>piss off alliance by having the horde always start shit and never get payback
>piss off horde by killing their favorite npcs and generally turning them into punching bags that need to be saved by the alliance
>REMOVE skills making the game legitimately playable on a nes controller
>make mobs so weak that the whole questing system becomes a braindead experience
>fuck the lore again and again to the point where reading the questlines becomes painful
>introduce a good system in legion only to remove it on the next expansion

100 hours and herbing and mining on a druid :^)

>Alright, I need to switch to another server and faction to join this raid group
>55 dollaroos
I had to do this once when my server fucking died and raid guilds were dead. I should have just quit the game then back in 2010.

user this isnt time to be joking. warcraft 3 was one of the best games ive ever played, solely because of the community it generated for custom games. if by some miracle that community comes back to what it had in the early 2000s, i would drop every other single game, and not look back. this isnt the time to be joking.

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It looks like Pathfinder is the only CRPG general up in /vg/ right now. There was probably a DOS2 general when it was new.

All signs point to it being a lazy, thrown together 'remaster' that pays little respect to the original game. The assets are ugly and look like chink ripoffs. And yes they did in fact ask Golden to come and help them rewrite the script, they mentioned as much at Blizzcon.
It's not going to be good. HotS is the closest thing we'll ever get to another Warcraft game, and Blizzard put it on life support.

>Jaina's face when she realizes Blizzard blew a thick, huge load inside her.

He's not joking.
They actually brought in this fucking chick to bring the story of WC3 more in line with all the crap that's happened in WoW until now.
Expect a lot more diversity, by which I mean stuff like Jaina acting like the fucking Mary Sue she became or Sylvanas powersliding into Arthas' sword for the lulz.
Remember, Horde bad, Alliance good!

I love my wife Jaina and want to start a family with her.

So the cycle is finally kicking in, huh?
>current xpac is the worst in wow's history
>last xpac was shit
>second last xpac was actually good
I thought WoD was bad enough to break the cycle but I guess not

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Shut up retard.

Now I never played WoW but I have played other MMOs and mobage gacha cancer and from what I can gleam Blizzard is basically turning the game into the latter but with a subscription fee. Pad out the content as generically as possible and push macrotransactions out the ass. As someone with unfortunate experience in the mobage department I can assure you there is a huge market for a game that appeases the big spender above all else even if the content is shitty, especially in the asian areas such as Korea and China. WoW is basically a mobile game at this point.

if they want to fuck with their story then fine i had given up hope when the sold a book of retcons that retconned the first book of retcons. but i can at least be optimistic, and say that shit should be contained in single player. i cant give up hope for the one thing ive yearned for for years. if its possible, making it so the older custom games work in the remaster would expand the life of this remaster so much. i could go on for hours about how much shit they could do to help the remaster, but they have to have 10 brain cells to figure it out, and implement it.

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"You think you want it, but you don't."

It's not a retcon, elemental lords in WoW have always worked like outsiders in D&D, they're not native to azeroth. If you kill them they just go back to their elemental plane, the only way to kill Ragnaros is put him down in the firelands.