Do people actually believe this? These are games that were previously coming to platforms like Steam and GOG, and Epic paid companies to actively delay their release on those platforms for a year. It's absurd that we should just accept companies paying money to take away choice from consumers (especially when Epic had no hand in development of these games). When a game is exclusive to Epic's store you're getting games that are severely lacking in certain platform features that some have become accustomed to (cloud saves, controller support, linux support, workshop for easy modding of titles, assured DRM-free), and in addition to that there are many people who buy their games from third-party distributors such as Voidu, Green Man Gaming, Gamesplanet and Fanatical due to these sellers having competitive and cheaper prices. Games exclusive to the Epic Game Store can't be bought from these places because Epic doesn't do free key generation for publishers, and likely never will given their low percentage take for themselves. All in all 'it's just another launcher' completely misses the point of why people prefer to use certain launchers over others
>Do people actually believe this? You don't need to believe anything you're saying when you're (you) farming.
Jonathan Wilson
there's been exclusivity in gaming for forever, i have no idea why people are making such a big deal out of it. the real problem ins the botnet stuff.
Luis Harris
>there's been exclusivity in gaming for forever Like? EA, Bethesda and Valve in their haydays always make their launchers about playing exclusively their games. Epic however snatches other games and make it exclusive of their own
Even then, Valve games got ports up the ass less than a year since release.
Anthony Lewis
>there's been exclusivity in gaming for forever Not on PC, except for publisher exclusivity like Origin which also had its fair share of hate. PCs aren't consoles, it's an open platform that should stay that way and Epic is doing its darnest to destroy this.
Ryder Scott
Its because this is how exclusivity normally works A: someone makes a game and puts it on their own store B: someone makes a under funded game and a rich company funds them with the price of becoming exclusive Epic is doing something completely different by making them exclusive when they are already near finished and don't need any more funding then they already have. This is especially bad when Epic bought a game that was crowdfunded basically betraying everyone who funded their game.
Jayden Hughes
Xbla, Uplay, the blizzard launcher... not to mention console exclusivity. it's a toxic concept but it's not anything new.
>betraying they have to download a new launcher, don't be so fucking dramatic
Dominic Kelly
>toxic >don't be so fucking dramatic and goodbye to you and your thread
>they have to download a new launcher, don't be so fucking dramatic Yeah who would want something like Workshop support for a game like Phoenix Point?
Hunter Ross
>and your thread
But he's not OP
William Wilson
>Xbla, Uplay, the blizzard launcher Yes those are cancer that get hated on but Origin deserves a special mention since EA took down games from other stores when they made it but that is actually less cancerous than what Epic is doing since those were published by EA itself while Epic just straight up does exclusivity deals which was never a common thing. Epic is worse than EA, that's how low the standards are.
Luke Lopez
Except they also control the SALES of the games and Epic is particularly bad at it with no regional pricing or even discounts, everyone loses except the publisher that was paid mad bux.
Cooper Phillips
nice argument brother, also i'm not OP and i have no idea why you'd think i was cuz i'm arguing the straight opposite of him.
Caleb King
Remember China owns 40% of Epic.
Ian Murphy
People will still end up cracking the games released there, so in the end I'll still be able to play games if I want to play them
Wyatt Bell
And that means nothing when Tim has 60%
Elijah Fisher
Honestly I don't give a shit about that aspect of it. Tencent is fairly hands-off with the companies they have a stake in so long as they are profitable. I blame Epic themselves for everything shitty they've been doing, and the negative aspects for consumers are bad enough to get Epic deserving of hate without jumping down the China = bad hole
Hunter Murphy
i'd argue that if the developers get more money the game gets better, maybe thats naive of me idk. and yeah, the store is not great and the fact that it doesn't have offline mode fucking sucks, i just don't get why people obsess about the exclusivity thing so much.
Noah Wood
what does that mean? how does that affect me?
Tyler White
He owns a little above 50% actually and he said that the 2 Tencent directors (out of 5) were extremely important to the direction of the company so there's no point in pretending chinks have no input.
Caleb Allen
>i'd argue that if the developers get more money the game gets better, maybe thats naive of me idk.
It's not naive, the Phoenix Point devs are giving away free DLC for over a year because they can work for a year for free thanks to EGS
They even said if everyone refunded, they'd still have a profitable game.
Jeremiah Davis
whaat are they doing tho? i'm genuinely asking, i'm technologically retarded, what can they do with the info they get?
Samuel James
>They even said if everyone refunded, they'd still have a profitable game. Which means they used their crowdfunders as a stepping stool to gain Epic's attention. When they were crowdfunding the game they explicitly stated they were going to be releasing the game on Steam. This is now a lie.
Austin Cox
>They even said if everyone refunded, they'd still have a profitable game. fuck... how much money are they giving devs?
William Perry
Valve has not released an original game of their own since Ricochet. Counter Strike, Portal, Dota, Day of Defeat, Left 4 Dead were all other people's ideas before Valve bought them up and made them Steam exclusive.
Lucas Powell
They gave the Phoenix Point devs a minimum of $2 million (given their community rep said that every single person could refund and they'd still be in the black). Snapshot is still a bunch of cunts though for actively advertising their game as a Steam and GOG one, and then actively seeking out an exclusivity deal with Epic after the fact
Ethan Foster
>Which means they used their crowdfunders as a stepping stool to gain Epic's attention i'm pretty sure epic made the offer way after the crowdfunding was over
Gabriel Lewis
Don't forget Black Mesa Source which was a free mod until Steam made it pay to play.
Evan Clark
That doesn't change what I said.
William James
Oh yes Narbacular drop from three college kids at Digipen was surely going to turn into Portal on its own given enough time
Jeremiah Watson
>IF ITS NOT ON STEAM I'LL AGAHUEHUSHUFUHSHUFUSEHUFHUES
Guaranteed they're not that interested in Phoenix Point, they just want to act like children and this gives them justification
Isaiah Phillips
i'm bored of replaying the Xcom games over and over again, if phoenix point scratches that itch they could kill my dog for all i care i'm still gonna get the game
Landon Watson
I'm still pissed at Valve for requiring steam to play hl2, and starting this launcher non-sense. I hope Epic's rival launcher ass fucks them in the long run.
Fuck Valve
Kevin Murphy
>games made by Valve employees aren't actually Valve's What did he meme by this? If you weren't such a newfag you would know people praised this format of hiring soulful modders instead of industry morons.
Lincoln Hall
Get the shill dick out of your mouth before you talk, faggot. I'm talking about the people who actually crowdfunded the game and were lied to. How would you like it if you donated to a developer to help them get their project off the ground and they turned around after the fact and told you the only way you could play the game you supported was to download and install Chinese spyware?
Of course you wouldn't care because you're the kind of retard that defends this shit.
Easton Roberts
The youngfags of today literally don't know how useless Steam was back then
>UH IT WAS OKAY BECAUSE FIRST PARTY EXCLUSIVE xD!!!1
An exclusive is an exclusive, and HL2 and Orange Box was the most bullshit
So how is Valve buying the most popular game in existence in 2000 (for a measely ~1 million) and making it Steam exclusive ins 2004 any different from Epic making a timed exclusive of some ruski shooter?
Eli Reyes
the difference is services like origin and uplay don't bribe publishers for exclusivity for games they didn't make. hell origin sells ubisoft's games on their own store.
Brody Reed
>just wait another year to play the game you already paid for Fuck off.
someone plz tell me what this means. why should this worry me? i don't understand that picture
Jaxson Parker
It's a single-player game, you can pirate it (and the devs already got paid with a guaranteed minimum so if you buy the money just goes to Epic anyways)
Jonathan Murphy
>He hates some launcher this much he can't wait a fucking year
That's a yikes from me
Camden Long
You really should talk to your boss from time to time.
xcom has a sizeable cult following, would you kindly fuck off
Jonathan Smith
The point is people should have to make the decision of one or the other. That's the fucking problem.
Kevin Powell
i didn't even know they were making wasteland 3, is there footage out yet?
Aaron Roberts
By this logic every single game was "exclusive" before digital stores became a thing since you could only download or activate them from the dev's site and 99% of them are dead nowadays, but naturally you don't know that since you're a newfag and doesn't remember the shareware days.
Connor Brown
i'm just going to buy all of these games when they get their steam release, with all the DLC out by then and avoid the day 1 launch problems that plague most AA PC games these days. there's way too many games coming out to be this agitated about timed exclusives if it were permanent, that'd be another thing.
Michael Lopez
The guys who developed Counter Strike should be gorillionaires. Valve fucked them over
Dylan Clark
>and Epic paid companies to actively delay their release on those platforms for a year Yes, by giving them a better deal(more revenue per sale)
Every time the same non-argumen that not even children would use.
Jaxon Gonzalez
This is even more ironic when you consider that supposedly Sierra screwed Valve which is why they separated ties
Valve is just a scummy company
Ryder Ortiz
What do you mean? The original mod is still up Steam-free, newfag.
John Nguyen
I'm not even going to buy them on Steam a year later because that's just giving them money and letting them think that what they've done is permissible. Any developer or publisher that bends the knee to turn their game into an exclusive or timed exclusive has demonstrated clear disrespect towards the customers. I don't reward disrespect.
>advertise game as being on steam >hype it with trailers and stuff >appears multiple times on the steam frontpage and recommendations >swap to uplay exclusive a week before release >"lol, look how it sold 2.5 times more than the previous game on steam" even though it would sell twice as much if it was there Pretty disgusting desu
Isaiah Cruz
Yes, Steam was a plight on everyone who wanted to play HL2 15 fucking years ago. Using that as comparison to justify thae absolute shitpoiece of a launcher that Epic Store is just shows that you really have no fucking argument that anybody should use Epics Store instead of Steam.
Joseph Jones
NOOOOOO GAMES SHOULD JUST RELEASE ON STEAM AND GET BURIED UNDER TRASH AND STEAM DRONES LIKE MYSELF WILL SAY THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY TO SELL 300 COPIES
>T-TENCENT HAS NO SWAY ON MY COMPANY >Tim, like a few days ago
Carson Scott
They should use it for the same reason people did with Steam: It has the games they want
Cameron Adams
except Valve shut down WON servers to force people onto Steam
Carter Ramirez
Steam gives these developers a place. Epic doesn't even do that. I'm sure if this developer had the option he would release ON BOTH. The fact that Steam is the only one that gives them a place isn't a bad mark against Steam. It's a bad mark against everyone else trying to "compete" with Steam.
Daniel Powell
Lying into their customers face is par for the course by now for Epic.
Sierra separated ties because they were caught commiting massive fraud that them led to massive restructuring, what the fuck are you talking about? How is this in any way Valve's problem?
Austin James
How is Tim such a bad liar? I feel like he took a bet to see how long he could bullshit people until people realized it
Cooper Wood
>Counter Strike, Portal, Dota, Day of Defeat, Left 4 Dead were all other people's ideas before Valve bought them up and made them Steam exclusive.
>Counter strike has been on console, it wasnt popular but it was on console >portal was on console too >left 4 dead 1 and 2 were both on console
Jeremiah Garcia
Point me to a single example of a big name game being hidden under trash at release. There's a fuckhuge banner and a pop-up window 90% of the time.
Dominic Martin
He didn't earn the amount of clout he has. He lucked into it with Fortnite.
Grayson Allen
Well shit i was looking forward to buying that but ill be pirating it now. Microsoft is already fucking obsidian up.
Parker Davis
What's the difference between choosing steam and epic and between choosing PS4 and Xbox 500 dollars
Liam Wright
Metro Exodus is on console
Jordan Perry
Yeah it's pretty fucked when CS has been remade twice already and will probably continue being remade.
Joseph Myers
>>Point me to a single example of a big name game being hidden under trash at release.
>The Switch though has seen a number of ports sell better than anticipated. Despite already being out for over three years, the Switch version of Shovel Knight sold better than any of the other versions at launch according to its developer, Yacht Club Games. Wonder Boy: The Dragon’s Trap, Forma.8, and other games have seen similar success. SMG Studios noted in September that Death Squared sold more on the Switch in the first three days than all other platforms it released on combined, while the same thing happened to the Zelda-like exploration game Oceanhorn. And then there was SteamWorld Dig 2, Immage & Form’s action platformer that sold 10 times more on Switch than on Steam.
Of course big name games like GTA do well, but what about big or small name indies that do horribly on Steam?
Cooper Rodriguez
And yet you can still play the orginial mod without steam, you know, the one before the Vavle acquisition. Not something that you would know, seeing that you have no idea what you're even talking about.
Someone archive this tweet. I have a feeling it's going to get deleted.
Caleb Murphy
They're a mix of retards and shills. It's important to call them out at all times because they're trying to push a narrative with falsehoods.
Gabriel Jones
Also Metro Exodus is on the Windows Store
But Valve drones don't consider it real competition to Steam and never bring it up
Jackson Hughes
It's the mentally ill shitposting spammer, he's right here in this thread making extremely dumb arguments that can be refuted by one millisecond of thinking but that's doesn't stop him, he will just repeat the same retarded arguments in the next thread. Just ignore it.
Asher Lee
>L4D and Portal are Steam exclusives What did you mean by this?
Jaxson Clark
If rumor is to be believed, he's just a codemonkey that got too lucky for his own good, sold out and now does what is expected from him.
Don't you ever get tired of posting this? The only reason games are selling well on switch right is because the library is still small. And it has nothing to do with PC.
Cooper Adams
YAR HAR FIDDLELY DEE
Thomas Cox
No. It used to be because the only things on it were online multiplayer only games that required surver sign ins but now you don't even need the launcher to be running to run games that don't have some type of third party DRM like Denuvo because Epic doesn't even have their own stub DRM
Matthew Richardson
I wonder how many of them will come back to bite him in the ass down the line.
>#NintendoSwitch community is a blessing! #BlossomTales is now a turnaround story: Humble indie dev @castlepixel can stay in business and continue making games. Love y’all! 3 months #Switch revenues surpass #Steam lifetime revenues 20 times!
Being on Switch has literally saved a company. Being on Steam nearly killed them. Why do they deserve 30%?
Noah Ward
Done
Tim isn't getting out of lying his fucking face off.
Difference is Valve didn't force that developer to stay on Steam. That's the most important part about this discussion.
Nobody would give a fuck about Epic doing its own thing if it minded its own business, but they're trying to force customers to use their store instead of convincing them. People don't fucking like that.
Noah King
He tells "technical truths" that fall apart once you realize he's only playing semantics, common corporate tactic by dishonest people.
Ryan Powell
It won't last forever, retard. There'll be a point when your shitty game won't sell even on switch because people will have better things to play.
Cooper Morales
Yeah it's almost like Steam doesn't care about their own marketplace except unless something really bad happens like Rape Day or hentai games with 18+ characters with big boobs in a school setting
Angel King
>Yes, by giving them a better deal(more revenue per sale)
Nobody switched over because of the revenue split. They moved over because of the guaranteed minimum sales payout (aka a fat sack of cash). The Phoenix Point devs outright said it
Jeremiah Sanders
Just like Valve did Just like Origin did Just like Bethesda did >b-b-but they paid the trojan horse for the epic launcher was Fortnite, just like Valve with HL2, EA with BF3, and Beth with Fallout
Jaxson Cruz
What the fuck does that have to do with the discussion? Steam has its own problems, but them giving everybody a chance is not one of them.
Landon Barnes
And that's a better deal than Steam
NOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT
Jordan Sanders
Mentally ill spammer, ignore. He has posted that particular pasta at least a dozen times already, he probably keeps pasta.txts per topic.
Carter Lee
His end game is good PR. The ultimate goal of his tweets and speeches like he gave at GDC are an attempt to save face and craft a narrative so people stop scrutinizing their shitty business practices and the utter insanity of the exclusivity contracts they've been throwing around. Giving a studio so much money for exclusivity that they don't even have to sell their game to have made a profit is not sane in any way. Right now, Epic has been caught in numerous ways trying to manipulate the market with the help of a massively corrupt Chinese company. Instead of saying "we're trying to do what's best for gamers" or "allow me to explain all that hidden datamining we tried to pull off!" he's out there running his mouth about how Steam is shitty and how there's totally no collusion or underhanded bullshit happening with Epic and Tencent. You can tell what has them panicked the most based on what they've been trying to say. They aren't concerned that they look like scumfuck con-artists or greedy faggots trying to consume the whole industry for their own gain. They are worried that people know they are controlled by Tencent.
Alexander Morales
And you offer no arguments and have never proven me wrong and spam your own pasta .txts
You're the anti-spammer spammer
Jonathan Wood
>Just like Valve did >Just like Origin did >Just like Bethesda did You mean those titles that the storefronts developed themselves?
>And that's a better deal than Steam Are you actually arguing that storefronts should be buying up exclusivity of titles they had no hand in developing? This isn't fucking consoles.
Leo Cruz
>Valve didn't force that developer to stay on Steam Read that one out aloud in front of you. Maybe then you'll start to see the problem.
Jonathan Robinson
You're ignoring the key difference. Origin and Bethesda do not pay off developers to make other games exclusive to their store. If they did try that they would be getting the exact same treatment right now. Steam doesn't do that. As far as I know they've never paid publishers or developers to release exclusively on Steam. If they have I haven't seen any evidence of it in these threads, and if they have they certainly don't do it now.
Nathan Young
>Nobody switched over because of the revenue split
Then why did Epic have to pay them all vast amounts of money to move over?
Camden Mitchell
>They are worried that people know they are controlled by Tencent. Oh people know. Even the normalfags of PCGamer commented in droves on the article calling out the whole story as bullshit that Tencent has no sway on Epic. Seriously, that comment section was 90% "you're fucking lying Tim."
Alexander Russell
So because Steam can't afford it, Epic shouldn't?
You're basically asking Epic to fight Steam with its arm tied behind his back
Cameron Rogers
Everybody arguing with you is proving you wrong, but you don't listen. You're only here to argue. You're not interested in learning the truth. You have an opinion and you will defend it regardless of any information you get proving it incorrect.
Camden Russell
Why not go to Discord then? They have an even better revenue split yet get avopided like the plague by everyone.
Eli Jackson
I get a boner every time epic announces an exclusive because I know the human trash that worships valve will be riled up. When they literally pull it from Steam on short notice it's even batter because the drones are madder. I usually pirate everything including indies and free games, but I made an EGS account just so I can give them a 100$ tip by buying whatever crap was there. I haven't even played metro yet.
All throughout these threads I've never seen a single reason as to why storefront exclusivity that's paid for is different from any other type of storefront exclusivity for the consumer. >"But it's wrong because my feels!" is not an argument
Luis Hernandez
Because Epic can afford it and Steam can't
Nathan Russell
Bringing exclusivity cancer to an open platform is scummy as fuck.
Steam can afford it. They don't do it because they understand it would be bad for business. They would be shredding their reputation by trying to divide the customer base. That's the criticism Epic is getting. They're trying to create tiny pockets of a monopoly where they control all of the factors like who gets to play and what they all pay. It's not competition. It's avoiding competition at all costs.
Ethan Gonzalez
Steam is supposedly taking a super huge cut that is unnecessary and too large, but at the same time can't afford something like paying for temporary exclusivity?
David Rivera
>Then why did Epic have to pay them all vast amounts of money to move over? Who/where was it said developers would get a flat payout? And under what conditions?
Matthew Nguyen
People already refuted your shitty pastas a hundred times but you don't care, you only want to maximize (You)s and don't even updating your pastas, you have been spamming the same Skyrim vs TW3 pasta for 3 years now.
Luis Morris
>>Steam can afford it.
Honestly, Steam drone, has Valve made anything successful in the past few years?
>Steam machines? Flop >Steam controllers? Flop >SteamOS? Flop >Steam Link? Flop >Shartifact? You better believe that was a flop >Source 2? Not even made to even be a flop >Steam Videos? Flop >Steam VR? Fired devs
Literally the only money they have is from rent controlling other peoples games like a corrupt landlord, and that's gonna end soon.
Camden Howard
hi
Jeremiah Ortiz
Valve never forced anyone to use their store, it just happened to be the one that gave the most visibility so whether the customer is "forced" to use it or not is entirely up to the dev/publisher. Origin, Beth, Uplay, Battlenet are all publisher stores/launchers for their own games, they're part of the product you're buying, you can't really blame them.
Samuel Cruz
Yet the PP devs outright admitted that they approached Epic and asked how much they get upfront to make the game a timed exclusive and couldn't give a shit about the revenue saplit. Hell, in the whole ama they had not oncedid they mention that one as being a factor in their desicion making process.
James Taylor
itch has a 100/0 split, why didn't they move? Because you're retarded and have zero understanding of business.
Why is this important? Tim Sweeney went on record saying he "takes no orders from Tencent." This is a facetious lie. 40% ownership of a company puts Tencent in a position of power to completely liquidate their assets and bring Epic Games to its knees if they wanted to. Tencent also has complete control of video game distribution in the Chinese market, only playing second to the Chinese government itself. This means that for Epic to have its games released in the largest market on the planet, they must adhere to the demands of Tencent's directors that have been planted at the top of Epic.
Tencent is no different from Huawei, a company backed by the Chinese government to dominate the western market it exists within, giving it complete and uncontested access to the private information of billions.
You're not arguing the point. You're bringing up something unrelated and trying to turn it into a strawman. It doesn't matter if Valve could do it. They don't. It's not important whether or not they can. It's important that they don't. Address the actual points other people are making towards you or shut the fuck up. Don't argue against a response to some ridiculous shit you said. That's avoiding the argument.
This is a pasta too by the spammer, you aren't even trying anymore.
Isaac Wood
What's PP?
Lincoln Green
Itch.io is literally nothing but trash indies
The whole point of Steam (or what it used to mean) was a curated store of quality games
Youngfag steam drones might not remember this, but in 2009, 2010 when indies were opened up to being on Steam, only the best ones like Braid made it on
Joseph Torres
It got that visibility by being forced upon everyone who wanted to play the most popular single and multiplayer games respectively on the PC, not organically.
Samuel Bailey
>Phoenix point devs disabled the ratings and comments Pussies
Angel Miller
I was pointing out the inconsistency of the argument about steam taking too much money you dumbshit. You didn't even respond to my post.
Aiden Richardson
>the whole point According to who, you?
Eli Clark
>itch has a 100/0 split, why didn't they move? Because you're retarded and have zero understanding of business. I'm only stating it has a few factors, saying "no one switched because of the revenue split" is flat out wrong.
Brandon Thomas
>The whole point of Steam (or what it used to mean) was a curated store of quality games Weird, I seem to recall everyone and their mother bitching that Steam was gatekeeping what games could and could not be successful because of curation. Now apparently curation is a good thing?
Why do Steam drones act like curation is some big no no word?
GoG has been in business for 10 years and hasn't turned into a garbage fire like Steam has
Christopher Clark
Phoenix Point. The devs had an ama a week or so ago and were pretty clear that the money they got upfront from Epic was the reason why the made the move to the Epic Store.
Jackson Turner
No one switched because of the revenue split, it's extremely moronic to limit your audience no matter the split unless you are paid to do so, it's a fact of games distribution.
Ryder Torres
Listen up. If developers and publishers want to open up their own store and sell their own games they should. Many do. Nobody cares. That's not a problem. It's their game. They can do whatever they want with it.
PAYING a developer to release THEIR game on YOUR platform and ONLY your platform is trying to control a game as though you were the one that made it. It divides the customer base through money; not merit. If people don't like the games a developer or publisher makes then they don't need to support that developer or publisher, but if a customer likes the game being made but hates the people who would be getting the money if they bought the game then THAT is a fucking problem.
Let's say for instance I really like X-COM games and their spinoffs. I want to support the developer and publisher of those games. But I don't like Epic or what they stand for, or their business decisions. Now suddenly I don't have a choice. If I want to support the Phoenix Point devs I MUST also support Epic. Valve does not force this decision. Epic does. In an ideal world Phoenix Point would be everywhere and the customer would get to choose where their money goes, but Epic is trying their best to prevent this from happening.
This makes what their doing anti-consumer. Removing choices from your potential customers pisses them off.
Asher Phillips
Reminder - Discord's Game Store has a 10/90 split in favor of developers, and has a massive userbase on top of that.
Why don't developers go there? Oh that's right, they don't give a shit about the revenue split. Literally the only reason they're going to EGS is because of the upfront bribery for exclusivity.
Steam will curate games, but lazily and sloppily and still allow asset flips onto the store
Kayden Lewis
You typed a lot just to say "muh feels" just like I said you would.
Isaac Hughes
>Epic covers the cost of production How much did they cover for Metro again? 2 weeks before release?
Sebastian Rivera
>>doesn't even try to argue You are just repeating yourself, so i'll do the same. It's a bunch of different factors, but if you want to make it simple you certainly can for yourself.
Chase Hall
>getting BTFO by the post right above you The funniest shit is how you still pretend to not be a spammer and occasionally change your pastas and MD5s even though anyone that has been here for even a month can see that you are a spammer and it shows that you are desperately trying to push some narrative through pure spam. In reality you're just making people hate you and whatever bullshit you're trying to push, that's how bad you are at this, at least keep your shitposts original.
Austin Lee
Short term gain, long term damage to their reputation. Lord knows I'm never buying Phoenix Point or Metro Exodus for accepting such scummy bribery.
>It's perfectly fine for Epic to control supply and demand with bribes, it's totally not a monopoly!
Landon Fisher
>Let's say for instance I really like X-COM games and their spinoffs. I want to support the developer and publisher of those games. But I don't like Epic or what they stand for, or their business decisions. Now suddenly I don't have a choice. If I want to support the Phoenix Point devs I MUST also support Epic. Valve does not force this decision. Epic does. In an ideal world Phoenix Point would be everywhere and the customer would get to choose where their money goes, but Epic is trying their best to prevent this from happening.
If you've purchased an UE4 made game you've unironically supported Epic
Customers are allowed to make their own decisions. Why they make those decisions are important to them and ultimately it controls what their decisions are. It doesn't matter if their feelings are responsible for 99% of it, if a company ignores why those decisions are being made then they're making a mistake. You're not addressing my points. I know it's a lot of words for you but if your goal is to be educated about this shit then shut the fuck up and read it.
Benjamin Davis
>Just completely ignores the post and responds with what is basically "u mad." Hey if you want to waste people's time, maybe you should go kill yourself so your parents wasted 20+ years of their life trying to shape you into a working member of society.
Asher Brooks
I can't wait for the next exclusive. I expect it to be Bloodlines 2.
Jaxon Hall
I'm aware. That doesn't change my point. How about you take the time an argue my point instead of bring up unrelated shit?
Dylan Powell
>Epic games winning devs over by giving them a better deal I have no problem having to download another launcher if it means my favorite developers are better off for it desu senpai. Also its probably good for Steam to have some actual competition.
Them all doing it was kind of the point retard. Epic can offer a 1:1 Steam equivalent and people still won't switch because of all the sunk cost they have in Valve. This is literally all they can do.
Michael Garcia
This isn't competition. It's avoiding competition. Actual competition would be games being available on both platforms and both companies competing over customers when they offer the same product.
Grayson Reed
>That pic user you know for a fact they used fuzzy math when they refuse to give actual sales numbers and instead say "2.5x the first week sales of Last Light" when Last Light sold like ass on release
Sebastian Powell
Basically they are trying to meme people into believing a bunch of un true shit because the big bad chinese boogey man forgot to put their fortune cookies in the last take out order.
Brayden Foster
Did you even look at the fucking archives you retard. The post supported me you fuckin illiterate imbecile. God, you chink spammers are getting wrose and worse.
Steam was too generous to devs with the 30% cut and should have strictly regulated their behavior to prevent dev toxicity -- no dev moderation of their forums, no community bans, no anticheat.
Wyatt Davis
You do know every single program on your computer right now that uses internet access does this, right?
Robert Torres
>devs outright say it's one factor that decided everything Did they?
James Moore
>So how does Steam 'compete' against paid exclusivity outside of doing the same exact shit themselves?
By being the better store that Steam drones sure like bragging it is
If Steam was so worth it in the long run, a money deal+12% shouldn't dissuade me from Steam... should it?
Nicholas King
I don't care what launcher you use or don't use, just stop pretending this is anything more than "I just want to use Steam"
Elijah Rodriguez
1:1 isn't enough, they have to provide something new and right now they're only giving less for the same price.
Logan Scott
>Let's say for instance I really like X-COM games and their spinoffs. I want to support the developer and publisher of those games. But I don't like Epic or what they stand for, or their business decisions. Now suddenly I don't have a choice. If I want to support the Phoenix Point devs I MUST also support Epic. Valve does not force this decision. Epic does. In an ideal world Phoenix Point would be everywhere and the customer would get to choose where their money goes, but Epic is trying their best to prevent this from happening.
So just wait the FUCKING YEAR GODDAMN
I used to think the gamer entitlement thing wasn't true, but you guys are taking the cake.
Jonathan White
Are Epic insectoids retarded? How do you read all of this shit but still somehow convince yourself that Epic is still better than Steam
Hey Hwang, you need to brush up on your English, you're getting your sentences confused again because you're misreading shit constantly.
Brayden Sullivan
I'm still waiting for proof that any other launcher does what epics is doing in
Wyatt Brooks
NO!
Camden Richardson
I want to buy games from whatever platform gives me the most value. Epic offers no fucking value. They don't even have user reviews. This alone makes it remarkably worse. If you don't care what launcher I use then why are you so fucking insistent that people use the Epic launcher? If what you said is true you would be AGREEING WITH ME that customers should have the fucking choice between whatever platform or vendor they buy their games from.
Tyler Butler
Reminder Epic Store will be better than Steam was in one year which took Steam 6 years to get even halfway decent
>I used to think the gamer entitlement thing wasn't true The customer is meant to be entitled, that's what our entire capitalistic system is based on you fucking retard. Do you think all the regulatory bodies protecting consumers just exist for shits and giggles?
Hwang is a Korean name you fat nigger, if you're gonna spam you dumb chink memes at least do it right
Justin Jenkins
I'm not waiting a year. I'm not buying the game. I choose to not support developers and publishers that take bribes and try to force my hand.
Blake Nguyen
Dont know senpai, I'm not Steam. Not my job to come up with a marketing strategy. But their radio silence doesn't bode well at all
Suppose I'd at least match what Epic is offering rather than letting someone simply steal a market share away from me. And its somehow better for Steam to have a monopoly on the PC market where 99% of games have to go through a steam code? Nah senpai. Nothing but good things can come from strong competition. If the indie group I like is getting 2 million bucks in incentive cash to launch on Epic in conjuction with better rates than that means bigger bugets for the games I like. So im cool with it
I think you're getting confused here, I'm calling out the retarded spammer which the archive links point out while tried to deny it.
Kayden Davis
>that are severely lacking in platform features you've become accustomed to >you've become accustomed to >Cloud Saves, Controller Support, Linux Support, Workshop You're absolutely projecting there. Surprise surprise, the average Valve drone apparently can't set up their own NAS box, controller methods, configure wine, or click the fucking DOWNLOAD BUTTON ON A WEB PAGE. Also, great thing to bring up Workshop as an example of "Easy modding of titles," considering that you have very little control over your Workshop installation, downloads, and the best kicker of all: most popular games have their workshops filled with ads for chinkshit.
As someone who actually uses GOG or pirates, it is just another launcher. You fags have been ruining the platform for the longest time, and while Epic does have its own exceptional faults, so does Steam. Oh man is it so great getting half functioning community features and baby mode assistance when the trade-off is that the actual game download and installation controls are still 2004-tier. You're basically complaining that you're getting shit with corn instead of shit with peanuts.
Steam does not have a monopoly. Get that through your fucking head. If Steam had a monopoly nobody would be able to create their own storefront or sell their own games. Obviously that's not the case.
>But their radio silence doesn't bode well at all Honestly their radio silence means Valve doesn't actually see them as a threat >Suppose I'd at least match what Epic is offering When was it actually confirmed that a 12% take is viable for a fully-featured storefront on the level of Steam? Just because Tim said so when they have billions in Fortnite money to prop up their entire business?
Lincoln Wood
When did I ever tell you to use the Epic Launcher? >I I want to buy games from whatever platform gives me the most value. No you don't, you and every other faggot needs to stop lying about this. If you did you'd switch to GOG and force the publishers to follow you with their games, but you don't care about best value or consumer rights or any other bullshit, you just want to use Steam.
Connor Martinez
>copying is faster than coming up with ideas yourself You don't say
>takes months to make a search feature >takes 2 months to search for a genre of games >takes 5 months to add in the ability to make a comment on a game >takes 5 months to put a list of games you want >takes 5 months to make a watch that counts how long I have been playing >takes half a year to bundle the games I want and buy them at once >god knows how long it will take to buy a game and send the game to someone else How do you fuck up this bad? I can't wait for every account on Epic store to be hacked and then it will take Epic 3 months to fix it.
William Gutierrez
>No you don't So your argument hinges on the idea that I'm fucking lying to you. You've failed in this argument on the most fundamental level. I have other launchers. I buy games from other sources. My argument is no pro-Steam. It's anti-Epic. Open your fucking ears.
Austin Martin
>Steam does not have a monopoly.
It does. Other stores than Wal-Mart exist, but everyone knows how much of a stranglehold they have
>Wait the year and buy it No, I will not. Julian Gollop lied to his Kickstarter backers, and has accepted bribery by Epic which has created an anti-consumer scenario. It should have been released on every store available and consumers should have been able to make the choice on where they buy it.
You are a cancer, a blight that is creating the very monopolies you screech about.
They think they're playing 4D chess by supporting "competition" even though actual competition has around forever while Epic is only doing anti-consumer, anti-competitive tactics that outright remove the requirement of making a good service by just straight up forcing people to use your service. This isn't even a supposition, Tim directly said only publishers matter and buyers will just follow along, I think he fundamentally misunderstands the difference between a game engine and a game store.
it means you are willingly installing viruses on your computer.
Nathan Lopez
Even if these are implemented how will it be better than Steam?
Charles Evans
>You are a cancer, a blight that is creating the very monopolies you screech about.
Pretty sure Steam will be around in 2 years, you fucking drama queen
Hunter Diaz
>By being the better store that Steam drones sure like bragging it is >Epic continues to moneyhat exclusives because that doesn't stop paid exclusivity and devs will take assured payment over risking releasing a shitty game nobody likes You've really cracked the code here user
Josiah Collins
Valve earns zero money from Steam codes. If you buy a game boxed and it has a Steam code, or you buy from e.g. G2A, or from Humble Bundle - Steam earns nothing.
Josiah Collins
Sure, its not technically a monopoloy. But it has no competitiors so its effectively monopoly. People go to GOG for old games not new ones so its not a competitor and stuff like Bethesda, and EA only cover their own shit so they don't realistically compete with Steam. No one does- or they didn't until Epic came along. And now the very notion of Steam's monopoly getting destroyed is causing the status quo loving communists to pull their hair out. Steam can either concede power to epic or go toe to toe with them which can only benefit the players in the long term. Bigger budgets for games across the board is well worth the price of having to own a second launcher for epic.
Steam has always been very slow and uncaring with its responses to things. Which is why you have an endless tide of shitty asset flips on the Steam storefront that they do nothing about while promising they are looking into it
Your misunderstanding of the word does not make your statement correct. Steam does not have a monopoly. Full stop. Epic is trying to create a monopoly. They're using tactics companies who have monopolies employ to stay monopolies. Valve does not do this. Steam is just the biggest and this makes them a common choice for publishers and developers, but they are by no means forced or coerced to use it.
Parker Howard
That's the problem with Steam drones: There's no feature good enough that Epic could add that would make them use Epic Store
They have to do exclusives, Tim is right
Parker Bennett
>steam is a monopoloy >here's a low IQ post about how I don't know what monopoly means
>Which is why you have an endless tide of shitty asset flips on the Steam storefront that they do nothing about while promising they are looking into it Be honest with me user, how many of those do you actually see? To get shown trash like that you need to tell the algorithm you're interested in games like those
Tyler Bailey
Most people like convenience, you're in the minority.
Samuel Torres
Then tell me how Steam is a monopoly. How many of the points does it fulfill?
>>Epic continues to moneyhat exclusives because that doesn't stop paid exclusivity and devs will take assured payment over risking releasing a shitty game nobody likes
Again, they could just not take the deal
I have no confidence in Steam so I would take Epic's deal, but there has to be devs that still trust Steam
Anthony Diaz
No my argument falls on the fact that everything people bitch about is a lie of them pretending to care and if the consumer mattered so much like they think they do then a mass exodus to GOG would have happened 5 years ago. But it didn't because no one cares or believes any of this shit, they're just joining in rage culture and repeating talking points because they don't want to use anything but Steam.
Tyler Evans
>Sure, its not technically a monopoloy It's not a monopoly. This is not a technicality. It's true in every sense of the word. They're just large. They have invested a lot into features to make their service appeal to a lot of people and this has given them a lot of success. They do not do anything that prevents other companies from trying to do what Steam does. Epic is trying to prevent Steam from doing what Epic does: sell particular games. Epic is the company using monopolistic business practices. This is why they are being criticized.
Isaac Roberts
>Be honest with me user, how many of those do you actually see? To get shown trash like that you need to tell the algorithm you're interested in games like those
I just click new releases and look at all that fucking shit.
Cool strawman bro, I already told you how they are effectively but not technically a monopoly.
Andrew Thompson
That's not the fucking point you retard. Epic has opened the floodgates to exclusivity being the shit that stores fight over. Fuck you, you blind clueless retard.
>On May 18, 1998, the Department of Justice filed antitrust charges against Microsoft (MSFT). The charges were brought to determine whether Microsoft's bundling of additional programs into its operating system constituted monopolistic actions. The suit was brought following the browser wars that led to the collapse of Microsoft's top competitor, Netscape, which occurred when Microsoft began giving away its browser software for free.
Monopoly can have many meanings, Steam drones
Luke Turner
>I just click new releases and look at all that fucking shit.
Is that how you find new games to play? With all the tools at your disposal on Steam that's what you use?
Isaac Rodriguez
The thing is, people are getting autistic and screechy about fucking capitalism in work.
Goddamn retards can’t look past the stupid exclusives and see the big ducking picture. This competition will only improve Pc gaming.
But please keep crying about missing features (on a brand new launcher ffs) and exclusive games.
CAPITALISM you incel faggots
Caleb Williams
I don't think it has anything to do with trust.
Wyatt Perry
You either have a monopoly or you don't there isn't a effectively or technically
Hunter Myers
What you're saying is beside the point and irrelevant. You stated you don't care what launcher I use. This means you agree people should have the choice to pick between vendors. Epic is actively disallowing this from happening. Epic is doing something you acknowledge instinctively is bad for customers. You're not admitting this. You think the people correcting you are married to Steam. I've explicitly told you otherwise; that your assumption is incorrect and I've given you rational reasons why it's incorrect. You're ignoring that and pretending like I'm offering you no valid points. You have plenty of legitimate things you could be addressing, but you're choosing to go around in circles instead of coming up with a legitimate argument against the points.
Andrew Cruz
>That's not the fucking point you retard. Epic has opened the floodgates to exclusivity being the shit that stores fight over. Fuck you, you blind clueless retard.
There are games releasing on consoles I can't play. I really want to play Spider-Man, but I have to buy a PS4 to do it.
What's the problem here? Sonic was literally created to make people want a Genesis over a Nintendo
Hudson Ortiz
The Steam store since its fucking launch
How are you crybabies so fucking dumb?
Adam Sanders
You're not reading the posts being given to you on a silver platter for your benefit. You're ignoring how Epic is being more monopolistic than Valve is because it shreds your entire narrative.
Elijah Young
>The government case accused Microsoft of making it difficult for consumers to install competing software on computers operated by Windows. If Microsoft was found to have made it unreasonably difficult for consumers to uninstall Internet Explorer and use a competing browser, the company's practices would be deemed anti-competitive. I'm sorry you're too much of a fucking retard to run an exe to get another launcher. Don't blame steam though.
Dominic Jackson
This. The invisible hand of the free market literally solves everything
Lucas Thomas
>There are games releasing on consoles I can't play. We're not talking about consoles, we're talking about PC.
Steam became popular because it was the best option. It did not bribe developers or publishes, they flocked to Steam because it was the easiest way to make money. This is not a monopoly, this is natural success.
Daniel Sanders
Yyyyyyyyyyoooongouuut
Aiden Hernandez
Not that guy but I just hit top sellers. Every time I try to look for new games I get a bunch of DLC, Indie shit, movies and software
Also Steam has no idea what the fuck any of the genres are. I hit RPG on the genre tab and get fed shit like Witcher, Card Games and MMOs then I click strategy and it gives me shit like PubG and Rainbow Six Siege so I mean what the fuck?
I have a youtuber who wades through the shit games and finds the hidden gems for me tho
>Steam became popular because it was the best option.
Oh my god the fucking Steam drones in this thread
David Smith
>it's a monopoly >but it isn't really A toddler is mentally far about you.
Asher Cook
remember when shitposters actually put in effort? seems like such a long time ago now
Chase Robinson
Creating a database of problematic people worldwide using hacked and stolen data, Discord users, Epic users, which they'll probably tie into their social credit system launching 2020, so they know which people to send to Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region concentration camps when they conquer the world. And probably sell it to whoever's buying in the meantime.
Anthony Baker
>press new releases >get new releases Woah
Good thing the rest of the community isn't as dumb and you can just press top sellers or popular upcoming (among other things) to find the games you want.
Aiden Johnson
>This competition will only improve Pc gaming. I can't buy new games for cheap off of GMG like I normally do because you can only buy games on Epic's store (and their 'Humble Bundle partnership' where they sell games for the exact same price) I can't use my Switch controller as plug-n-play for games on Epic's store because the Epic Game Store doesn't have the controller support I can't use a Workshop-equivalent for extremely easy modding
Wow look at all this competition improving PC gaming. Not to mention how fucked anyone that plays on Linux is by this
Liam Campbell
Life aint black and white my guy. If everyone has to go through Steam to get a game and the only alternative is to buy a steam key from a key-reseller site so you can get your steam game from steam without paying steam?
That still sounds like a monopoly to me
Bentley Reed
>hey GOG user, why do you hate Epic's launcher so much? >what's that? You hate how steam forces you to download a software client that controls your games and makes it so you're essentially renting them? And you hate that Epic does the exact same thing? >you must be a steam shill!
All pro Epic Store posters are either shills or trolls. There is no arguing with either so let's just do what we do best and meme epic into submission.
Elijah Mitchell
I knew you fucktard would use microosoft without even understanding why they were targeted. This was during the browser wars era where MS was trying to destroy NetScape and was using bundling as a way to ensure that everyone got Internet Explorer whether they wanted it or not. Back then internet was a novelty and software was a thing you got from stores. NetScape accused MS of anti-competitive practices by forcing IExplore down everyone's throats and attempting to seize control of the entire web browsing market. Just imagine what could happen if MS controlled the browser used by 90% of the internet - they could basically set all the web standards to their own liking. And NetScape somewhat lost the browser wars, but they open sourced their browser into what became known as the Mozilla browser suite (now known as SeaMonkey). Then Mozilla Firefox (the browser, stand-alone) became the most dominant browser for quite a while. So MS wound up losing the browser wars and in today's age a computer that came without a functional browser would be a problem because that is how people interact with the internet nowadays. Stuff like Telnet, SSH, and even FTP have been relegated to the domain of advanced computer users. OS distros need to come with browsers to be internet-functional for the average end-user nowadays, but back then it was different.
William White
t. underage fucking retard.
Your little faggot ass clearly doesn't remember every PC game prior to Steam being loaded to the brim with STD-tier garbage like SecuROM and Starforce. Go fuck yourself you little shit.
Wait what's a better PC storefront? Clearly you have a good idea if Steam's apparently that bad
Cooper Ward
What are you, retarded? Setting these things up for yourself and avoiding broken, piece of shit DRM-clients like Steam ends up being more convenient and invariably ends up preventing a lot more headache. The only reason that would be in the minority is because people like you gauge "convenience" as "I'll take the first piece of shit someone gives me, and fixing the fact that I'm wrong takes 5 minutes, so that's too much work"
Jack Green
>capitalism ever being good for the consumer kek
Matthew Powell
what are you gonna do with all your (you)'s? Retire and settle down?
Tyler Cox
>If everyone has to go through Steam to get a game and the only alternative is to buy a steam key from a key-reseller site Thank god that was never the case. Not that a bugman who just crossed the great firewall would have any knowledge of it.
Daniel Clark
Tell me, have you taken an interest in streaming services at all in the last ten years? You know, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Hulu, Youtube Red etc. Do you know how annoying it is that every one of these services has exclusive content that exists solely to sell subscriptions?
When Netflix existed solely by itself, piracy related to TV shows and movies dipped quite drastically. When other companies started appearing, barging in with exclusive content purely to push Netflix out of the way, piracy shot right back up as a result. The simple reason is this - people want one hub for their content, and forcing the consumer to use multiple services is considered a massive inconvenience by the vast majority of the population.
Epic pushing for 3rd party video game exclusivity by just throwing absurd amounts of cash at people is going to push video games into this sort of hellhole. I've already seen people saying they're going back to pirating because of this.
Substantiate what's broken about Steam, and how Steam is a DRM-client even though it allows DRM-free games (games you can launch straight from the files without launching Steam)
Luke Robinson
Developers and publishers are more than able of setting up their own storefront to do exactly this. But they don't because it's more convenient and cost effective to use a platform that already exists. Valve does not prevent them from doing this. Plenty of bigger developers and publishers have already done exactly this and set up their own storefronts.
Noah Gomez
The free market decided that those things are obsolete
Carson Price
Consumer don’t have any right to play games on what launcher they want.
If Epic store is really so bad it will fail and/or devs won’t want their game on that platform.
Let things play out instead of being a Gaben/Steam ball fluffer FOR FREE
its been like a month, why are mods literally not doing anything about posts like this its either a shill, a bot or an underage either way, get fucking rid of this
Luis Miller
There were still games releasing with not Starforce or SecuRom you retard - games you could just install and play like Plants VS Zombies
The better storefront was just buying a game from a retail shop, installing it to your PC and playing it - no Steam involved, faggot.
Noah Perez
Steam is a drm provider, epic is only a store.
Juan Bell
>This means you agree people should have the choice to pick between vendors. No, this means I don't care which shitty DRM wrapper I have to launch to play a game. You have no points, because all your points are lies. If you cared so much about consumer rights, you would use GOG, and only GOG. By your logic all the publishers would switch to putting their games on GOG because users demanded it. None of that happens though because you're all faggot liars who just want to use Steam so you can jerk off about your faggot social features and ERP with your gay furry groups. Fuck you.
Michael Harris
>The free market decided that those things are obsolete
But consumers didn't decide that. Epic paid publishers to take their games away. Are you thinking about your argument at all here?
Ethan Mitchell
Looking at the Metor sales it's telling Epics store to fuck off.
Jace Nguyen
Now we have based denuvo that even my grandma can crack now
Liam Collins
So you're literally advocating that customers have less rights and that people who think otherwise should shut up and let you shill in peace. Fuck you and all of your insect family.
Steam doesn't force anything since publishers are free to release on other stores and GOG actually has an enforced DRM-free policy which is incompatible with Epic's exclusivity bullshit.
People who defend Epic don't understand how much this will hurt the smaller guys first before even touching Steam, Epic doesn't care about competition, they only want to be the de-facto store and nothing else no matter the consequences.
HMMMMMM almost like if Epic store doesn’t improve and sales are poor on it then it will die off or it will improve to put pressure on Valve/Steam to approve
Woah broooooooo use your fucking head and have some vision
Thomas Bailey
Epic didn't get the money from no where. You voted with your wallet for Fortnite now its time for you millennials to reap what you sew
You can expect Epic to roll out its Xbox Live style subscription feeds for anyone to play online once it has a strong foothold in the market.
Dominic Cooper
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Christopher Bailey
>There were still games releasing with not Starforce or SecuRom you retard - games you could just install and play like Plants VS Zombies Oh wow, throwaway garbage. Let me take you back to how most games actually worked for PC gamers.
Fuck steam. Fuck that fucking trash. No one will use that bullshit ever. Fucking anti-consumer garbage
>PC Gamers in 2019
Bros We HAVE to do everything we can to make the latest AAA game Steam Exclusive
Benjamin Ross
>shitposting and breaking the rules is fine because i bootlick for [x] have you considered killing yourself yet
Angel Wright
>The better storefront was just buying a game from a retail shop, installing it to your PC and playing it >Had to drive out to get a game and hope it was in stock (and hunt it down on the internet if it wasn't a current game) >Had to use third-party sites to hunt down and download patches >Indie gaming and smaller scale games were essentially nonexistent because they wouldn't have been able to justify printing discs and packaging them to sell it >He actually believes this was better
You're so hardcore, stop. I'm trying to explain to you that most people are computer illiterate and therefore like steam for the convenience it provides.
Aaron Watson
imagine being so retarded that you think baiting for replies is something funny, that's autism level "i'm sorry mom doctor said i have below 60 IQ"
Hunter Parker
>Armake21
Old nigger, but I'm talking about a world pre YouTube world, youngfag
Doom 3 for example just had a CD key and that was it - you could play it anyway you wanted.
Henry Cox
You realize most Steam games before 2012ish still have shitting of DRM on them and STILL have it? Including downright awful shit like TAGES.
Leo Sanchez
GIVE IT TIME TO EVOLVE AND SELF CORRECT
Look at my face as I don’t give a fuck that you can’t play Metro and Fortnigger on Steam. Look at it motherfucker.
Joseph Stewart
>Counter Strike Was a popular mod for Half-Life which they collaboratively turned into one of the most played franchises in the world. I'm fairly sure everyone involved became billionaires either way. >Portal Was little more than a student project prototype until they hired all the students and turned it into a real game. >Dota Was a mod that got turned into a game by again hiring the people who made it. >Day of Defeat Same as CS although somewhat less popular >Left 4 Dead Was developed by a studio that might as well be in-house.
Also Portal is available on consoles too so it's not even exclusive in the retarded sense that your using it. By your logic Dishonored is a Bethesda-exclusive when they're just the publisher, a service Steam provides to countless games, which doesn't make them exclusive.
Andrew Brown
I just dont understand why y'all care this much about a company. You know Steam.Epic doesn't care about you right?
Shills are unironically firing on all cylinders right now Free Tibet Tianenman Square
Levi Williams
The problem right now is that it doesn't matter how bad the epic store is when the money is good.
Jack Lee
Before Steam I just bought variety CDs with all sorts of shareware and the occasional internet game was out of my reach since they never supported my payment methods and instead relied on local bank transfers and other dumb shit and sites went down all the time never to return, people who think PC games were better before Steam are purely larpers shilling for their particular brand of Steam clone with zero benefits.
Andrew Turner
Doesn't matter, the damage is done. Welcome to every store now having timed exclusive titles to earn more revenue. Let me guess, you thought horse armor was just a wee little thing that wouldn't change the entire fucking industry. You scoffed at Epic introducing a Season Pass with Gears of War 2, thinking it was just a one time thing.
Don't fucking dare insinuate I have no foresight when your little faggot ass is this retarded.
I dont think you could sound any faggier. You have to be embarrassed by this post.
Brandon Price
It's just mad as fuck Americans jealous the Chinese are beating them
Noah Bailey
Once more if the only way you can maintain an argument is by believing the person talking to you is lying then you have failed in that argument. Why? Because you're admitting that if they're telling the truth then you have no answer. You have no rebuttal if they're being genuine. You have no argument if they're telling the truth, so you delude yourself into thinking they're lying in order to feel like your points are valid.
You're clearly against Steam and that's fine. That's the way it should be. You should have the choice to use Steam or not, and you should not be forced to use Steam. It doesn't matter what your reasons are for not liking Steam, if they are valid enough to influence your behavior then they are valid. There's a place for you in the customer base. Your money is just as valuable as everyone else's.
The difference between you and I is I'm not trying to convince you to use Steam. You're trying to convince me to use Epic. You shouldn't be doing that without an argument. "Steam bad" isn't enough. Epic is worse by every metric I care about.
Brody Smith
sony made spiderman. sega made sonic. tencent didn't make any of the games they moneyhatted at the last second to keep them away from other stores.
Juan Powell
>It's called a market fluctuation >IT SOLD 2.5 TIMES BETTER THEN LL ON STEAM >which means at max 100k copies and that's generous >market fluctuations
But hes actually right, Gamers have proven time and time again that they are outrage mob who will turn around and buy whatever publishers shit out
Everyone hates Bethesda for Fallout 76 but they will be buying the next elder scrolls game day 1
Brandon Roberts
>tencent didn't make any of the games they moneyhatted at the last second to keep them away from other stores.
You know SONY didn't create the Spider-Man IP, right?
Jaxson Flores
>I swear you people just think millennials is some sort of generic insult. not him, i have never ever said it and i am convinced only millenials say it, but you are in hot denial if you think millenial is anything but an insult. anyone RIGHT NOW who is 18 or under has an IQ disadvantage on every single other human, they have been raised in a society that didnt exist x years before they were born, and in less than 10 years it will have rapidly changed again, and again they are the first generation of many that have no ground to stand on
Jeremiah Edwards
But I tought Epic is in american hand? Which one is it now?
Aaron Campbell
nah people fucking hated steam until the orange box
Luis Nguyen
No no you’re right user. You’re so special. Everyone and everything should just bend to your pleasure. I’ll go get my ballsack fluffing kit and that warm candle wax that you like. Pinocalada scented
Blake Robinson
>who will turn around and buy whatever publishers shit out It's funny you mentioned Fallout 76 when that game fucking bombed by Bethesda standards and had enormous 50% off sales weeks after launch
Mason Jenkins
>But I tought Epic is in american hand? that means you're retarded also work on your english Quing
Juan Wright
I can't tell if you're intentionally being an idiot or not
Jace Mitchell
>give devs money to ddevelop the game they bought the ip rights for Now you're just pretending to be retarded, right? Not even buigmen should be this stupid.
Jack Sanders
At first Steam held the market. The the big fish stated making their own moves. EA being the biggest. That brought a lot of anger but ultimately people though that this would only ever happen with really big publishers. Epic ended that mental peace because unlike those other companies it wanted to sell games it didn't make. It means that games from midrange publishers were no longer a sure thing for steam. Win or lose for Epic it's a matter of time before even the smallest fish can swim outside the river of steam.
Zachary Torres
It's not about the company. It's about what the effect is on customers. Bribing publishers to make games exclusive to a particular platform so that they can unilaterally control the price and features associated with that game is unacceptable.
Charles Carter
>anyone RIGHT NOW who is 18 or under has an IQ disadvantage That's fucking gen Z
Wyatt Rogers
And it won't be anymore now that Epic acquired more exclusive assets. It's called friendly market competition you dumb as shit commie
Justin Thomas
So the narrative is now that the chinease own it? Got it. But why does comrade say otherwise? Didn't he got the memo for it?
Ayden Hughes
Welcome to the real world fuck face. You Have to grow up at some point and experience reality.
Gavin Roberts
so? sony funded, published and worked with insomniac on the game. it literally would not exist without sony, so it makes sense for it to be exclusive to a sony platform. the same cannot be said for the games that tencent moneyhatted at the last second.
James Brown
this is what a poster looks like when they dont take their pills write the same thing in shit on a bathroom wall and off yourself
Josiah Edwards
Listen fuck head retard. The fact that is can happen is reality. The idea that it SHOULD happen is what you're saying. You're saying you want this market to become worse for customers. This makes you a legitimate shill whether you're getting paid for it or not. You're supposed to be a customer. Why would you want things to be worse for yourself?
Michael Harris
>another mad as fuck American We get it. The Chinese are beating you at your own game and you hate it. Ok. Now shut up.
Ayden Martin
>it's competition >trying to build a monopoly is competition You need more english lessons Chang.
>So the narrative is now that the chinease own it? thats been the narrative for years, it just happened to become official a while back >link to your own post and ask why you think that >when i already told you its because you're retarded open your eyes zipperhead
Isaiah Nguyen
Why so angry?
Alexander Johnson
>unzips Gabens fly and performs fellacio to completion
Ryan Gonzalez
Exclusive to Epic - Bad Exclusive to Steam - Good
Hudson Martin
You lost your American monopoly. We get it. Go be mad somewhere else.
Chase Brooks
>being a spineless fuck that just swallows everything set in front of him is growin up That explains a lot.
You've admitted I'm correct and you're just shilling. You also ran out of shit to paste from your script. I hope you starve to death.
Christian Carter
just for all the 14-17 year olds lurking, making this post so they can easily spot the 1 man chinese invasion
Angel Reyes
>monopoly >when Epic is the first one trying to build one in digital distribution You never fail to make me laugh Chang.
Jonathan Hughes
But Tim said he's the majr shareholder. I think you guys should really sit down for once and make sure that all your stories are the same.
Aaron Myers
YES CHINGLING KEEP DA JOKE UP AND UR FAMILY LIVE ANOTHER DAY
Elijah Martin
Because Valve doesn't force it to be exclusive. Developers and publishers make their own decisions. The fact that many choose to release on Steam isn't relevant. Why wouldn't they want to release their game in the largest store with the most customers? That's good business for most publishers and it reaches the most customers which is good for most customers.
Mason Wright
Statistically you Americans are more likely to starve to death or die due to lack of healthcare or poor working conditions. Don't be mad the Chinese are beating you in the marketplace of finance and ideas.
Isaac Flores
What did Valve bribe devs to release their game on Steam and Steam only for the first year, again?
Aiden Flores
I wasn't aware I needed to go to a hospital to eat. They sure do things differently over there, don't they Mr. Chingchongchang.
Thomas Ortiz
People didn't care about steam until the orange box
Josiah Ortiz
>d-don't take my monopoly away from me ;_; lol Americans
Nicholas Rogers
Steam cares about video games, Xi Jinping hates them.
Don't forget marvel specifically came to Sony and told them to make a marvel game and Sony and insomniac decided on a Spiderman game
Ayden Peterson
Who the fuck mentioned free market? Answer me. The argument is about what is good for customers. You're acting confused about why customers are not happy. I'm giving you answers. Is Epic allowed to do what they're doing? Obviously. Are customers allowed to voice their concerns? Yes. Argue the actual fucking points.
Grayson Cruz
>Why didn't my massive monopoly with no competition bribe games away from the competition they didn't have HUUUUH?
Andrew Young
Not any dumber than your brainlet American "leaders" Enjoy dying in wars for oil with your ever lowering wages while you suck Cheney's and Kissinger's old man cocks
Asher Harris
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Jeremiah Murphy
>Communist doesn't even deny his colors anymore
Samuel Garcia
Stop using the word monopoly. Other launchers exist. Other storefronts exist. Only Epic is going out of their way to take games away from other storefronts which is bad for customers.
Parker Evans
>Trying to greentext in the past tense with very little understanding of english what the fuck
Anthony Taylor
>monopoly
Colton Bell
Outer Worlds will be on Windows Store though - so why all the bitching?
Read my post again until you understand it. This isn't about the free market. The free market allows for customers to choose. That's how it all fucking functions. You're advocating that those choices be taken away. THAT goes against the spirit of the free market. What Epic is doing isn't illegal. How customers are reacting is what is supposed to occur in a free market. You're bringing up something that has nothing to do with the point in order to strawman because you can't actually argue any of my fucking points.
Evan Baker
>Enjoy dying in wars for oil with your ever lowering wages while you suck Cheney's and Kissinger's old man cocks You should ask your employers for a new pasta-sheet. Yours seems to be a few decades old.
Unlike you Americans who just call it a credit score and instead of a gulag you die out in the street or in a slave labor facility aka prison. Reminder that America has 20% of the world's prison population.
Carter Garcia
>Steam finally getting its comuppins >After murdering the option to buy physical >After jamming everything with DRM >After popularizing the 'early access' scam for games >After allowing devs to ban anyone they don't like from the forums >After removing user tags.
Good, I hope Steam burns to the fucking ground. GoG is now and has always been the way to go for games
>Chanh and ping doesn't even know what communism is
Aiden Bailey
>its okay when Valve does ir
Holy fuck steam fags are pathetic. PCfags are the most sensitive cry babies in gaming.
Levi Morris
>Epic paid companies to actively delay their release on those platforms for a year Yes, the people who say it doesn't matter are retarded. If it didn't matter, then Epic wouldn't bother paying for exclusivity.
Colton Peterson
It's sad that those wars are decades old by now yeah. Enjoy killing muslims in their own lands with your grandkids. If you are good enough your next president might even give your family a medal.
William Hill
This. It's scary how anti-competitive Steam drones are
Nathan Kelly
steam single handedly brought tons of ports to the pc because they made it more appealing and as easy if not easier to use than simply pirating. Steam gave publishers confidence to put their games on PC and made it a viable medium where now games that would have never even thought about porting games to PC are tossing day one ports to the platform. Epic is incentivizing piracy because it's more appealing to pirate than actually purchase a game from the chinese government that forces always online, has no forums or ability from which to lob complaints or read consumer reviews. It's a sanitized utopia built on sneakily convincing publishers it will help them. and the only people fooled are the people who have no confidence in their own games.
Ryder Davis
>GoG is now and has always been the way to go for games To bad it's dying as we speak.
>>After murdering the option to buy physical >>After jamming everything with DRM >>After popularizing the 'early access' scam for games literally not true, physical games still exist, DRM is not forced by steam, kickstarter and patreon are still more popular than steam >i got banned for shilling on steam forums wahhhh
Are you assuming I'm one of the shills because I stated what Epic is doing is legal? That was a pre-emptive statement to prevent opposition because it was very likely these shills would have responded with something along the lines of legality. This isn't my first rodeo, bro.
Ethan Campbell
>You actually lived long enough to see a Cyberpunk world where brainwashed pyschophants fight each other for the privledge to take one corporate cock instead of the other
This competition has really been beneficial for all of us.
Jaxson Butler
>It's sad that those wars are decades old by now yeah. >Enjoy dying in wars for oil with your ever lowering wages while you suck Cheney's and Kissinger's old man cocks Those english lessons were really wasted on you, Chang.
>Enjoy killing muslims in their own lands with your grandkids. Will do. And you should keep those curtains shut incase the chinese army get bored again and start killing civilians in YOUR own land :)
Benjamin Bell
Read the thread No one complains when Bethesda, Origin and Valve do it because their exclusives are made by them and not bribed millions.
Ryder Miller
Last time I bought physical I got a steam code inside a box. The whole fucking company can burn for all I care.
Alexander White
look if you want to pirate that's fine but you don't have to explain how you tricked yourself into believing it's all for some some higher just purpose
Camden Nguyen
One side is on the side of giving customers more choices. The other side is of giving customers less choices. Being a centrist on this topic doesn't make you smart, it makes you pretty fucking stupid. It's clear what should matter to you if you're a customer.
Chase Brown
Why does no one bitch and moan about GoG then?
Xavier Myers
Statistically cops are more likely to kill you in your land even if you are a "white" American. Enjoy :)
Kevin Sullivan
It's not competition. Like a guy doesn't worry about his GF sleeping with her gay friend - why? He's not competition.
Julian Ramirez
>its been a month and there are people who still lack critical information try reading the thread normie, a company is using wiley tactics to try and drum up alot of noise and seem like an underdog. they are spending all their money on getting "big names" rather than improving their site (takes 2 seconds to bribe a brand to be exclusive. shopping cart on the site? 6 months after launch) no one is defending steam at all. we're laughing at this piss poor attempt at market manipulation
Noah Carter
Valve never paid for shit to be exclusive to their client, only stuff they've made on their end.
Jaxon Walker
>mfw niggers on Yea Forums actually defend epic name one positive thing(for consumers) that Epic does better than steam
>Using the 'both sides' argument when one side is clearly more pro-consumer
Adam Brooks
>burn data to a blank disc >put disc in box woah
Josiah Davis
>he thinks those wars are over >his country will evade Venezuela in the next few years lol Americans really are dumb as shit
Anthony Nguyen
How long until epic runs out of money and silently raises the cut they take from games?
Grayson Butler
i pirate all kinds of shit consolefag. I don't try to justify shit, the only reason I use steam is because the incentive to do so outweighs pirating the software in some cases. cloud saves, community forums, instant updates, achievements, reviews, etc. all the things that epic doesn't have so there is no incentive to use epic. if i'm getting a superior experience pirating a game, why tf would i ever pay for it?
Camden Long
It only take a few seconds to browse their entire library. That's a lot of time saved.
>he counts actual paid shills as "niggers on Yea Forums" to be fair most people i talk to i think they must be getting paid to be this retarded nowadays
Brandon Harris
Explain in terms of the market for games, how is it different to have an exclusive game because you own the rights to publish it versus buying the right to exclusively sell it from another publisher. Explain how this is different for consumers, since you valvefags seem to have no regard for capitalism and only care about the consumers.
Ian Sanders
You got me there user
Cameron Morgan
why does that matter? the entire rhetoric being tossed around is "how does this benefit me as the person purchasing the games?" all exclusives are the same as epic exclusives from our perspective
Anthony Ross
They have legendary bosses that defend their employees by telling autistic gaymers to go fuck themselves when they complain.
who knows, but they seem to be spending a lot on todays Yea Forums campaign
Logan Cruz
Tim here, thanks for the free advertising 'tards! Make sure to keep reminding your fellow gamerz EVERY DAY about how you can buy games at the Epic Store! Its right next to your Fortnite button!
Ayden Wood
>American monopoly good >Chinese timed exclusives on a free platform bad
Connor Phillips
>sequel to a game in a not terribly popular franchise sells better than the previous game that was a cult hit at best >(because it was hyped on Steam for a full year before it got bait-and-switched) >Thanks based Epic Store! Eat shit, Epic shills.
David Harris
bitching because someone called me a retard then posted proof of themselves being one
Isaiah Sanchez
>his country will evade Venezuela in the next few years Kicking yourself in your tiny nuts must be a sport, seeing how often you do it.
I thought you got permanently banned from the internet because of that shitpost you made where you disarmed a shitload of bombs on livestream.
Levi Gonzalez
CHINKED
Zachary Johnson
If you were actually arguing for the betterment of customers you would be clamoring for the games to be on both platforms; not only exclusive to one. Anything otherwise is advocating that the Chinese develop a monopoly. That's what you want. Even though Steam isn't a monopoly you want Epic to become one.
Daniel Walker
>promise to release movie in a theatre >bribe >"actually blu-ray only" >blu-ray player invades your privacy and sends it to china woah, now THATS epic!
Blake Lopez
I always tought thaT cliffy was the biggest retard of the bunch. The last couple months have shown that Tim far outtards him.
Adrian Mitchell
>free advertising You paid for it, it's not free
Christopher Cox
>All this hate against the Chinese
Did I miss something? When did Chinese replace jews?
Which game are we taking next epic-bros, which will hurt them the worst?
Samuel Richardson
When they started acting like Jews.
Tyler Brown
>Can only get games from steam >Not a monopoly
Having a loop hole doesn't stop it from being a monopoly
>Hurr but you can buy this steam code discounted at a steam key re-selling site so you can activate it on Steam. No monopolies here!
Zachary Nelson
Glad to give some joy in your miserable american life :)
Nathan Thompson
chinese have always been on the slow burn user. im not even american but its common knowledge that USA and china would prefer to go seperate ways, rather than rub shoulders but there would be less money in that, so they put up with eachother silently, like a wife who you never really loved and you both realise it now. different groups come and go, but the chinese will always be there, just hanging out and moving their pieces
Logan Hernandez
They want western society to collapse for their benefit as well.
Gavin Hughes
Panty Quest 17
John Miller
>Can only get games from steam Which was never the case unless a publisher deliberatly decided upon it. Which makes it clearly not a monopoly. Goddam, yre oyou insects really this fucking retarded?
Evan Anderson
when they started flooding games with bots and hackers just to mine microtransactions
I mean I get the hate for niggers and I get the hate for jews but this seems very left field, like folks are pretending they've always hated Chinks because suddenly Chinese are behind Epic
Funny how you sanctimoniously cry about lying while saying I'm telling you to use epic when I've only ever said GOG is the only storefront worth a shit you miserable faggot. Type more walls of words to attempt to appear intellectual.
Ayden Garcia
That's the choice of the publisher to make that decision. They choose Steam, just like they could have chosen Epic. They could have chosen both at any time. The problem is Epic is bribing these publishers to specifically not release on Steam. This takes a choice away from a customer. This action is monopolistic in nature. Steam is just sitting around being available to everyone which is a smart decision. That's not a monopoly. How many times does it need to be explained to you? You don't understand what a monopoly is. If Valve were bribing publishers to only release on Steam instead of another storefront then Valve would be getting just as much shit as Epic is right now because that ACTION is monopolistic. It is leaning towards a monopolistic structure. If Epic had unlimited funding they would remove all games from Steam and only allow them to be sold on their platform. THAT is a monopoly. Not selling games. PREVENTING games from being sold elsewhere is the problem.
Thomas Morris
>unironically a dumb chink america has been awful for decades
watch any film from the 1970's and 80's, if the film involves say a detective who makes quips, if there is a scene about a gangster mobilising his gang, the detective might say something like: "he's movin in on church street faster than china" like i said, it just fell to the background because for the past 30 years americans have constantly had new cunts to worry about
Aaron Howard
There isn't a game worth buying on the epic store, there end of story next thread.
Oliver Williams
Glad you get to feel superior for once even if it is in the one language you know and even if it is nitpicking it like a pathetic nerd Your life must be pathetic if you get so much joy from this, but I'm here to help :)
Joseph Taylor
Chinese "people" have always been scummy but many are ignorant to it. Now that Epic is run by Chinese "people" people are now realizing how horrible Chinese "people" really are. Tiananmen Square, free Tibet and Great Leap Forward memes have really opened everyones eyes
David Butler
>You want a refund goy? >What's your ip, where do you live, when did you first log in, what was your first ID, oh you forgot? What a shame, can't help you.
Reminder that reviews will be "opt-in" to prevent review bombing, you will only be able to voice your concerns with developers via a ticket system. Also forums will never be implemented because they think Reddit is less toxic. CONTROL THE NARRATIVE
Americans are already factually not number one. Even they will admit that.
Helping the Chinese government make money is not favorable for anyone on Earth. Even Chinese people.
Jordan Harris
THIS is the realest and most ultimate truth that will be posted for this entire thread
>he thinks chink is a language i dont think your employer will be happy to find out that the guy they've had working this job for a month now isn't even advertising, he's just being a big gaylord and making Tencent's reputation worse It would be such a shame
Carter Campbell
Oh and btw the whole %cur thing is a epic spin to make steam look bad. Its completely irrelevant, devs are only going for epic because tim sweeny “the swine” pays them to do so.
Adam Stewart
So I've only just started gaming on PC a month ago. I have steam and had to get origin to play apex. Origin has been completely harmless. It's light and hasn't caused any issues at all. What's the big deal about having to download another launcher?
I don't remember steam being the official launcher of PC gaming. Because people seem really angry over this. Help me understand.
So you're sitting in here trying to attack Steam in a thread where people are criticizing Epic and you're surprised when people assume you're defending Epic. What Steam does isn't on the chopping block. What Epic is doing is what is being discussed.
I'm not against GOG. I never was. I like GOG, and I use GOG. But I also use Steam. I want the choice. I want even more choices if possible. I don't like choices being taken from me. I don't like exclusivity. It's one of the reasons why I haven't bought a console in over 14 years. The idea of tripling my investment just so I can have access to everything is distasteful, so I chose the platform with the largest library and didn't (at the time) focus so heavily on splitting up the customers with exclusives. Epic is trying to do this and I won't support that. Steam is completely irrelevant to the entire discussion and point. This is entirely about Epic and what they are doing. I'm sure you want to shit on Steam, and there are plenty of reasons to do it for sure, but they're not the point of this discussion.
Joseph Lewis
Nigger nobody cares about another launcher. It's Epic's scummy business tactics and attitude to privacy that has people up in arms.
Go fucking read the thread or pick one from the archive because it's been explained about a thousand times already.
Evan Lopez
Its anti consumer, you are likely to get your account hacked and the CEO constantly lies
Wyatt Campbell
The Chinese stopped posting. I guarantee you they just moved onto another thread one of them made.
Nathaniel Foster
basically every game on their was either held hostage or willingly sold into slavery its not even like wew boycott china or whatever its just the straight up fact that its bad business practice AND bad vidya practice
Austin Cox
American mutts "respect" is worth nothing. The only way you show your "respect" is with money. You have no pride or respect or empathy, but you project it all on the Chinese. >he thinks chink is a language Chinese culture and language are so unique that all of Asia more or less copied them while you Americans have no language or culture of your own. Even your pathetic slave raping founding fathers knew that and didn't dare make English an official language.
Glad we had this talk and I hope I brought some more joy for you :)
Andrew Rivera
It's a whole mess of factors as to why Epic and what they're doing are trash. They're firstly buying up timed exclusivity of titles that they had no hand in developing, something that is genuinely unheard of in the PC space (imagine Gamespot paid a publisher to have them as the exclusive seller of their game and you couldn't buy it from anywhere else). Related to this, you can commonly get PC vidya from third-party stores like Green Man Gaming and the others listed in the OP for cheaper than you would buying directly from a place like Steam. You can't do that for games exclusive to the Epic Game Store. Epic is effectively limiting your choice of where to buy and how much you have to pay with zero benefit to you as a consumer
Kevin Perez
Tim says steam doesn't deserve the 30% cut, but why does Epic deserve the 12% cut?
Colton Jackson
we actually report our real prison population. if you think china's not lying their asses off about their statistics, you're naive as fuck.
you already know the person you just replied to isnt american so all of that post was completely wasted also i know you are jealous of the fat guys (for some reason) but you should know that the english language is more unique than chinese, japanese is more popular than chinese, meanwhile english has no alternative, and has the most words out of any language nice IQ buddy
Ethan Martin
Keep your garbage exclusivity in your nigger consoles PC is better than console faggots we do not want your shit into pc games. I will never download a single fucking game from a non steam platform fuck off and die!
Brayden Myers
Imagine if Valve was buying exclusives when GoG started, they wouldn't exist. Fuck imagine if Microsoft just bought EVERYTHING for the windows store until all competition died out, it would cost them the equivalent of an accounting error to do it. It isn't hard to see where this ends up once it becomes "ok"
Zachary Clark
JUST
Jason Powell
>American mutts Makes me glad i don't use memes.
Ryan Martinez
>Chinese culture and language are so unique that all of Asia more or less copied them Correct but it's too bad the real Chinese died out and now all that's left are Mongolian cocksocks
Angel Jackson
>Americans have no language or culture of your own Nobody gives a fuck. Hate away it's 2019 get over it you are the reason we can't have a good planet to live on LMFAO!
>snatches other games and make it exclusive of their own devs have a choice in the matter, and they choose epic so it's their fault?
Nolan Parker
>do you want us to give you 200k now before we go out of business in a few years >sure >alright we're bankrupt now >cool >-release on steam- lmao
Thomas Thomas
Thanks guys. I thought it was just simply because people didn't like having to use another launcher
Eli Sanders
how sudden they're doing it is also a factor, metro exodus got pulled weeks before launch and the actual devs didn't even know about it until the last moment, phoenix point's backers won't even get their copies on steam unlike metro which honored the preorders at least, supposedly the devs of that obsidian game barely knew either
Jason Fisher
i cant speak for others but in my opinion it really is no fuckin big deal at all to download a launcher i dont really understand shill claims of "competition" because its literally just:
>i want game >i cant pirate it >oh, its not on steam either >-download epic- >-play game- >steam still has 800 games >return to steam after completion and dont touch epic for another 20 years COMPETITION
Nolan Richardson
If you don't like it just pirate the games.
Jacob Young
Handball 17 is on steam
Zachary Bell
I 100% agree with you, its just the scummy behavior on Metro Exodus and Phoenix Point so far that has turned me off. (previously announced to be available on steam and gog, waiting until last minute to pay off and scoop up). At least in Metro's case preorders were able to be honored by Steam, but phoenix point doesnt look that way
Isaac Green
You're right. You have to go out and buy a whole new computer just to run the epic launcher. Woe is the PC gaming community to have to undertake such a heinous crime by greedy developers!
Seriously, just move your mouse over 2 pixels and double click on the launcher. Wouldn't want you to break a finger with all that exclusivity
yeah of course, as previously stated, avoid at all costs there is ALWAYS a torrent and somehow i wouldnt be surprised if pirating Epic games was as easy as downloading from the store and just re-uploading
Christian Russell
I'd call you a retard and tell you to read the thread, but I know you won't because you're a retard. This has nothing to do with people being unable to double click on any other icon. You're pretending like the real issues don't exist. You're creating a strawman. Literally nobody is complaining about needing to open a different program.
Jack Morgan
Guilt free as well since Epic already paid these publishers and will make up the difference if sales under perform. Why would anyone pay for a game Epic already paid for?
Jackson Roberts
So what are they complaining about then? Games being on an "exclusive" launcher? You mean a free launcher just like steam that you can open up in a matter of seconds just like steam? Wow, what a conundrum!
Julian Evans
People fucking loving giving all their data to China
Andrew Ortiz
Epic is a company that constantly lies to you and is anti consumer why the fuck would you want to support a launcher like that?
>All issue explicitly mentioned in the OP >Continues the charade Fishing for (you)s that hard eh?
Logan Parker
Read the fucking thread, retard. Read any of these threads. If you really want to know there's thousands of posts explaining this for your benefit in excruciating detail but since you're obviously going to tow the line of "lol you're all allergic to double clicking" then you clearly don't give a fuck about the facts.
Logan King
holy shit unironically great point
Anthony Clark
What facts? The one where you guys are allergic to doubleclicking?
Grayson Mitchell
I never wanted Steam to begin with, I started pirating because of Steam. If developers want me to start paying for games again then they can stop being anti consumer kikes and start giving their games DRM free physical releases, I will continue pirating until then. This is the perfect opportunity to start demanding DRM free physical releases on PC but everyone is too busy praising le (((gaben))) Death to Valve Death to Epic Death to GoG Death to uplay Death to Origin etc
Owen Clark
>What facts? Read the thread if you want facts. But you won't do this. You'll just continue shitposting with your thumb up your ass acting like you understand the issue when you refuse to acknowledge the issue in the first place.
Kevin Peterson
at the rate they're going it won't just be a game or two, and there's the risk of other copycats, imagine if amazon starts doing this for twitch store
Nolan Lewis
Vote with your wallet
Levi Fisher
Thank you for your service
Jason Adams
But that doesn't matter if Epic pays publishers more than enough to cover lost sales from abandoning Steam.
Carson Jackson
>imagine if amazon starts doing this for twitch store You mean like how they tried to make a Netflix and failed to bring people over because everybody always has to pay for licensing.
>at the rate they're going it won't just be a game or two, >0 games worth playing to date what did he mean by this >imagine if amazon did this amazon is decidedly american and NOT chinese, once they see that tim sweeney loses money from this, they'll scrap their plans (if any)
Caleb Collins
And if you don't give Epic any money they'll be left wondering why they even bothered paying for it in the first place. And then they'll stop.
Thomas Carter
New thread
Lincoln Kelly
>it doesnt matter if epic loses money because ... hello?
Benjamin Ortiz
There is no issue. Another launcher decides to put games on their platform. Big fucking whoop
Blake Evans
>publishers get only epic money >publishers get epic money and your money Which do you think they prefer?
Connor Lee
no one is helping you with your next paycheck Mao
Dylan Baker
Another launcher is paying developers to not release on their competitor's platform because they don't want to compete with their competitor. Customers don't have the choice between what platform they use. Epic has complete control over the price. Epic offers less services and less utility. This is remarkably worse for customers. Nobody would be complaining if Epic simply sold games on their store just like Steam. The problem is they're coercing publishers and developers to engage in anti-consumer practices because they are fundamentally monopolistic in nature. Actual monopolies use techniques like this to prevent their competition from competing.
Jaxson Peterson
New thread
Aiden Nguyen
The asspain over Epic will never not be funny.
All they did was bring console game publisher industry politics to PC, and you spoiled niggers are losing your shit over it.
Bottom line: if a game you want is only available through one store or another, ther, you get their launcher and buy the game. Or you wait. It's not entirely like consoles, where you might have to pay hundreds of dollars just for the ability to play exclusives. The fucking launcher is free. And the bit about mods and all that is neither here nor there. If you don't like the features offered, then play something else on another service.
Oh my fucking god; problem solved.
Fucking bitchy children...
Wyatt Ward
Nice try Xiang, I'll just pirate it instead
Jack Turner
Wow, what a conundrum. You mean you literally have to open a WHOLE OTHER PROGRAM just to play a game? Jeez dude, what has this world come to? Someone should do something about this travesty! How dare they put games on something other than steam! How dare they make us gamers open another program!
