Thoughts on this, Yea Forums?

I don't get it. Game developers should be mad about that stuff. It doesn't affect people who play games at all.

>Things le epic gamers should be mad about: not video games
>Things gamers are mad about: video games

>twitter
>furry porn icon

I'm not even going to read it.

sage

Change has always been shit.

I don't care about devs at all lmao
Not my chair not my problem

Then fucking unionize. Stop talking and start making moves. Shit or get off the pot.

based

Guess that explains why you're still a virgin

>stuff that gamers should be mad about
Shit that doesn't affect gamers
ok

What gamers should be mad about:

Furries with cropped gay porn Twitter icons telling you what to be mad about

Why should i care about the workers?
Let THEM worry about their work environment i just want good games.

>Things gamer should no be so mad about:
Shitty games that try to shove contemporary politics in order to use said politics as a shield for being a shitty game.
>Things gamer should be mad about:
Things that affect dev teams and not gamers, gib unions so if I have to work a little harder my union rep can tell my boss to shove it so I can take my tenth break

Nobody wants to unionize because they know they can be easily replaced by third worlders

>Seems they'd prefer it if they were still sitting in their PJ's, playing SNES, and eating Trix.
Bingo. Gaming is fundamentally juvenile and as an adult hobby it's predicated almost entirely on nostalgia.

i'll let the labor side handle industry-specific labor issues

Not another Twitter screen cap thread

Sure, because gamers are unique in that they don't care about the people who make their products.

Unlike literally everyone who buys anything made in China, India, Bangladesh, etc (the vast majority of consumer products) where people (children) are working in immeasurably worse conditions for slave wages.

Is a great place to work virtually virginity hours of the day with a lot of questions and comments about how to find absolute best and more like I was wondering what

unions stopped being relevant 40 years ago.

>western "games as a service"
lmao

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It's no different than SW Fans Hating the abortion of a movie that was Last Jedi

OP you are WerewolfMoms
Your Patreon will never get big, give up now.

That person seems to confuse gamers with people in the industry of producing games.
The consumer cares about THEIR experience, not that of the people they consume from.

I can most definitely say that I hate Chang'e

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SNES was pretty good desu. Gen 5 was mostly a downgrade from gen 4. 3D only really got on the level of 2d games with the PS2 gen.

jobs in the entertainment industry should never be secure, you need to put out something worthwhile to consume or you should lose your job

It's been a fucking decade: why isn't posting a Twitter screencap an autoban?

>Trix
Step aside peasants.

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>he wouldnt wanna be sitting in PJs playing snes and eating cereal
sounds mad comfy desu

Every change he just listed is objectively worse, though. In clearly demonstrable ways. Change =/= progress. He's literally just saying "BUY WHATEVER SHIT WE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU!"

N-no?

>David Jaffe

okay buddy

>bawwwww muh poor work environment
Most of these morons have very in-demand skills and could easily find equivalent positions outside games. So no, I won't get mad about that.

Those are all valid problems, but if gamers got mad, would people expect anything to come of it? Just on the gamer front and not dev/pub side, people have been complaining about aspects of games that still exist today. If gamers complain about games to no effect, how are they going to affect development trends the likes of which(crunch time, low job security) have been "staples" of gaming for a while, now? We aren't talking about changing one company or two or a dozen, btw. We're talking about changing the entire global gaming market for at least a symbolic 2/3rds of its population. Such change doesn't come easy, and it doesn't take the consumers to change it.

so publishers are called gamers now? bit strange if you ask me

They've got no idea why people are angry about games not being on steam.

such a shame most gamers are bootlicking retards

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Anytime these new fake issues and nontroversies pop up I hate seeing all of the tweets that spring up like “wow gamers I thought u were progressive not gay steam is bad why do u hate change??” Then everyone just jumps on board and goes yeah I’m not afraid of change I’m with those guys!

When you go to McDonald's and find out the milkshake machine is broken do you wonder about how they treat that framers who sauce their potatoes?
I think this person is retarded, it sucks they have poor working conditions but they can always leave.

>unionize
good luck when all 1.3 billion indians have a cs degree

>That person

>Consumers dislike things that affect consumers

>
>Consumers hate anti-consumer practices
>Consumers dislike latency affecting SP games of all things
>Consumers hate retarded gimmicks

THESE are shills, Yea Forums. Never forget it.

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>implying unions wouldn’t destroy indie developers
>implying the issue with crunch and no job security isn’t an issue with corporatism and capitalism

Leave gamers alone you stupid cunt. Faggots always try to come up with a reason to shit on the guy that wants to sit at home away from everyone else to play his game in peace and have fun. It’s like the whole casual world NEEDS these NEETs’ attention at all times to feel fulfilled otherwise it’s unfair to them.

>labor unions
worthless anyway
>unrealistic expectations
don't use an e3 trailer that shows shit that's not going to be in the game
>corporate structure
only real point, but that's not an issue connected just to video games.

If I make every wage slaves problem my own I'd have to give up on technology as affordable tech is pretty much built on slave labor.

This. Forced change for the sake of change is always cancer.

>fuck no, unions are a cancer
>sure, crunch should only happen when it's absolutely necessary, for example if you need to patch something ASAP or the game won't work
>If you're good, you won't be fired/will get an another job later on. You're not entitled to a position at a studio, if the studio has no need for you.

what op should suck:

- my dick

what a fucking baby im gonna shitpost in the games forums

lool its a LIMBO clone how original

>consumers should cup the balls and throat the shaft of the industry they're purchasing from
Lol nah, these jokers only think these mollycoddling things about game studio employees because they're late to realizing twitter causes mental illness

Just because the game is out doesn't mean it will sell. Has he thought about maybe marketing the game in some manner to make people aware of its existence?

What gamers get mad about:
>sub-par games sold piecemeal
>gouging microtransactions
>money stolen over contrived "toxicity"
>lowbrow political shitflinging as a shield against criticism
>botnet clients selling your data to chinks

What gamers should be mad about:
>not enough corporate dick up my ass

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>They hate Epic Store
Because it's a bare basic launcher that spies on your files, and forces you to buy through their inferior store instead of steam through Exclusivity bullshit
>They hate Stadia
People don't have a flat out hatred, they are just skeptical because of the fact that Playstation Now, Geforce Now and even the Stadia demos have shown latency and input delay issues that makes it hard to want
>They hate VR
Almost everyone I've talked to about VR is positive about it, we just all agree that the price of both the VR sets and the tech required to get into them makes them a hard bargain

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>WAH MY GAME SHOULD HAVE SUCCEEDED
>THOSE OTHER SIXTY FIVE PEOPLE WHO WORKED JUST AS HARD AS ME PROBABLY ONLY RELEASED ASSET FLIPS AND SHITTY GAMES WAH WAH WAH

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>epic store

consumer loses control of where to buy games due to exclusives, consumer loses control of reviews and accountability.

>hate stadia

consumers loses control of the last bit of ownership of game, loses ability to pirate to try the game, loses ability to play while offline/shitty connection, loses control over modding

>hate VR

who the hell hates VR? we all love VR, we all will buy VR headsets once they stop requiring 1000+$ hardware investment for a decent quality and we will buy VR games once they actually get decent.can't fault consumers for not wanting to spend 2000$ to betatest a technology that barely does anything fun.it's just not ready and cheap enough.

This.

Those issues are not in front of gamers, the ability to buy and play games are the top issues for someone who buys and plays games.

I agree though that talent gets screwed in most industries, be it gaming, music, art, or anything else some suit tries to provide funding and take off with all the profit for it. But consumers don't really have the power to fix that.

That is a problem with small business being too risky for people to start these days while the world of corporate is safe but miserable. And companies like to keep that free lance small business alternative as scary as possible so you need them more than they need you. Consumers can't really band together to form an anti-lobbying lobby on behalf of gamedevs or unionize them. And plenty of consumers already buy independent games which is about all they can do to help.

Unions protect unskilled laborers who would otherwise be treated as interchangeable machinery. Creatives get paid for contribution and creative output. Hollywood is an aberration in that sense (as it is in many ways). Unions only benefit the less than average who know they are replaceable.

You get crunch time due to the structure of these types of projects. Doesn't matter if it's a game, film, construction, engineering, etc. If you want a steady 9 to 5 then work that sort of job. One where you don't get to eat cereal and ride scooters around your office, one where you have to show up and clock in and sit down, one where you can't work 10 to 3 because you feel like it one day.

Make good games and they don't have to shut down studios. Again, this is a concern of the slackers and under performers who A) get hired as studios go down the toilet and B) know they will have a hard time getting another gig. We all know the cream rises to the top (or has the drive to make their own projects, run their own studios).

"Job security" to these people means they get paid millions to do nothing with no risk or hardship. AKA what an elementary school student conceives of reality. I'm sure they were always 'that guy' on group projects in college who "forgot we were having that meeting, sorry dude. Thanks for getting that typed up!"

I believe workers should have no protection whatsoever, as corporations will have my best interests in mind, woo hoo

its almost as if gamers are manchildren who never grew up................

>STOP WORRYING ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS AND FIGHT FOR MINE YOU STUPID GOYIM

>crunch
I will say that the fact crunch exists is not good, but it speaks more to me of poor time management than any particular problem with the gaming industry. It reminds me of procrastinating students who do little to no work or studying for their project and then after a few weeks realize their deadline is two days away and suddenly start blasting out a ton of work over several all-nighters to finish on time.

If game dev crunch exists as a result of cramming more work in toward the end of development, wouldn't it just make sense to work slightly harder over the whole course of development instead? Is this what happens when dev studios end up being staffed by the aforementioned students after they graduate?

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>caring about worker's rights
>supporting China
pick one

His entire marketing plan was hoping people would impulse purchase a game they'd never heard of before on the Steam 'New Releases' tab?

I'll try my best to explain. These are games that were previously coming to Steam (and other platforms like GOG), and Epic paid companies to actively delay their release on those platforms for a year. It's absurd that we should just accept companies paying money to take away choice from consumers (especially when Epic had no hand in development of these games). When a game is exclusive to Epic's store you're getting games that are severely lacking in certain platform features that some have become accustomed to (cloud saves, controller support, linux support, workshop for easy modding of titles), and in addition to that there are many people who buy their games from third-party distributors such as Voidu, Green Man Gaming, Gamesplanet and Fanatical due to these sellers having competitive and cheaper prices. Games exclusive to the Epic Game Store can't be bought from these places because Epic doesn't do free key generation for publishers, and likely never will given their low percentage take for themselves. All in all 'it's just another launcher' completely misses the point of why people prefer to use certain launchers over others

>Bait/flamewar-thread getting deleted
New here, or just a hopeful fool?

Unironically the best time period so far and you're still a miserable failure lmao

Fuck I am glad I didn't get into the game industry.

As opposed to Japanese gachashit as a service?
Reminder people spent thousands to unlock this one animation and this is a multi-million dollar game
youtu.be/NNaeyqsmf-I

i don't care about mobile gaming, sorry

your first reddit spacing line points out that this is due to poor management, whiole the second blames the recent graduates.
It's 100% management. Crunch is a necessary part of engineering, but persisitant crunch is due to a fuckup in management.

>People can't be upset about both

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/o/ here.

Why do you guys care about and why are you discussing a random furry's opinion on something? Are you people retarded?

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>You should be mad that people who hate you have shit jobs

No?

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I shouldn't give a shit about the bad working enviroment of vydya devs, just as I shouldn't care about some malasian kid working 12 hours a day manufacturing my shoes.

I, as a consumer, care about things that affect me directly. For a consumer, Steam is the most feature complete platform, that's why it makes sense to choose it and want games released on it.

Why devs won't unionize? Why devs don't have standards themselves? I know why, because 90% of the game devs are beta cucks who are too scared to lose their "dream job" of being a game dev. If these people would respect themselves, crunch culture wouldn't be a problem in the game industry. gamedevs rise up??

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>unions
$60 USD is already to much fucking money for triple A garbage
>Unrealistic work environments
Stop hiring 300 people to do a job 8 people did 20 years ago. Soccor sim doesn't need 100s of people rehashing it every year.
>volatile corporate structures with no security
See above.

>what gamers get mad about is games not being on steam

I don't get it. I don't care either way, if I want a game badly enough I'll get it wherever I have to, I already use steam so if I can I'll get it there. If i can't whatever, not like other launchers don't exist.

>gamers should be upset that Code monkeys picked a job with not job security

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it's not gamedevs who want to unionize, it's pink haired game "reviewers" who want them to unionize

None of these things improve my gaming experience. VR is a gimmick right now and makes vidya less intuitive and extremely limited in scope. Stadia adds massive input lag and completely removes your ability to ever own a game. The epic launcher actively scans your PC and reports everything back to China, as well as forces you into login queues if too many people are using it.

Yes, yes I would definitely prefer to be sitting in my living room, enjoying my PHYSICAL CARTRIDGES and PHYSICAL CONSOLE with 1:1 input to any of that shit.

FUCK.

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>labor unions
holy kek. no wonder dude is a fucking furry

i'm a computer programmer and i know some game devs, they're living in a tiny little cyber era paradise like all of us and no one would even think about uniting against minor inconveniences like having to work

We hate shut being forced on us. Imagine if a movie you were watching in a theatre made everyone stand up and jump when they say jump, and if you didn't the movie wouldn't continue. You'd say that's bullshit. In all reality it isn't a major change, but you'd still irritated about it as it made the experience worse. Change for a movie goer in a theatre is always for the better in reality, nicer chairs, better screens, better sound, etc. For games it's always a step just left of the right decision. DLC is a good idea, you don't have to deal with big expansion packs you can get it anytime.. oh wait, fuck, they turned that into MTX.
We aren't afraid of new ideas, we're tired of all these anti consumer practices invading our hobby. It's all just needless interference from the norm, a watched pot never boils.
Also yeah, I'd much rather be sitting on my ass playing some much better games from when they had value. Aren't most indie devs going for the 16bit look now? Make up your mind.

Nobody cares about mobile games

t. Person who plays mobile games

>THE CONSUMER SHOULD CARE ABOUT THE WORKER
Yes, hmm. Clearly if I buy a pair of shoes, I should worry about which sweatshop of malnourished Asians made it.
Clearly if I buy a head of lettuce, I should care which farm it grew on.
Obviously, I need to worry that the poor sod who made my jumbo dragon dildo with customizable cum release volume settings didn't get worn out making it.
WITHOUT A DOUBT, I should be worried about the poor game developers who signed on with big publisher knowing they're a piece of shit who are going to suffer to give me a vidya I can fucking enjoy.
Good CHRIST, some people are fucking retarded.

desu almost everyone who works in the game industry, or at least their public face seems to absolutely fucking hate their core demographic

game devs shit on them, community managers shit on them, gaming media shits on them (this is of course talking about the west) so i wouldnt shed a tear for them really.

>MUH WEST BAD
>East does it too
>DOESN'T COUNT!
Okay.

and fucking replaceable QA testers, and useless community support positions looking to get paid for work no one needs.

Mobile gaming is taking away from and influencing console and PC gaming. You're a retard if you don't see the markets shifting thanks to mobile

If you work in game dev and you're working for a shitty company like EA quit. Cripple them from within.

If you work for a company that makes good games and you want them to be as best as they can then you'll want to put in extra hours.

That would be the case if the entire game was made by one person, but they're made by anywhere between 1 to hundreds of devs.
Crunch comes from poor time management, but it usually comes down to underestimating how long features will take, and not accounting for mid-development changes. The bottom tier devs can work as hard as they want, but if the leaders change their minds last minute or forget to plan for certain features then it won't make one bit of difference

Stop spreading this lying image. It's been debunked countless times

I said "time management". Time management is a skill you employ as an individual, I wasn't talking about people who are, themselves, managers. And go fuck yourself, reddit didn't fucking invent double spacing, I was double spacing my fucking hand-written papers back in grade school and I'll do it wherever the fuck else I want, you limey fucking cocksleeve

i don't care about mobile gaming, sorry

yes
Yea Forums loves getting outraged about literal whos

> Here is change that doesn't benefit in you in anyway, why won't you just LAP IT UP

People who are unahppy about a lot of those things are mainly people who are able to see the stupidity attached to it all.

Gamers don't mind new mediums so long as there is a talented workforce that is capable of delivering a good product. They're only attached to 'nostalgia' because a lot of it is mainly because a lot of those materials are made with genuine passion and effort, but most importantly? By people who are talented, hardworking and intelligent.

I don't play a lot of newer games because, while a lot of effort is put into visual fedelity, the small things that hold them up are not impressive, and thats what a lot of 'dem gamers' want.

New concepts are appreciated so long as they're made in a clever manner.
And that is the jist of it.

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devs should be fucking mad about it, and they're also the only people who can do anything about it
unionize instead of depending on us to do anything about it, fuck

As a consumer, I don't care about worker's rights, ((profit sharing))), turnover rates, etc. All I care about, as should every other consumer, is quality games produced quickly and efficiently, and delivered at the lowest price possible. All this other gay bullshit doesn't mean a thing, and are simple guises for the kikes to infiltrate another industry.

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Why the fuck do I care about game devs? Modern games are fucking shit that's what i'm mad about.

I legitimately despise people who are trained game developers. They've gone to game programming school to make boring unreal engine asset flip games in gigantic teams where no one's voice is heard or seen in the game, and they're only doing it *as a job*. They're whining about there not being enough souylet in the company break room and how it's unfair they're only making 100k fresh out of vidya school, while creating terrible, bland cookie cutter sequels to franchises people are honestly tired of already.

Making a videogame should be a fucking struggle. that's how great videogames were made. By two fucking turks making an autistic feudal lord simulator. By three literal nobodies making a dank souls platform copy. By a bunch of dudes with mullets redefining videogaming in the 90's. Passion projects.

Crunch time isn't necessarily time-management in every single field.
In various businesses, every accounting field has crunch time at year end to close the books, sometimes it's poor management, but usually it's because of various dealings internally and externally. If a major trade deal is closed 2 days after books close, we gotta properly adjust accounts for that. What was a footnote is now a full deal. If a lawsuit reaches a state prior to financial statement release whereupon it is likely or probably that we're going to have to pay some amount, we gotta disclose that shit.
And so on.
And so forth.

>AAA games like BF5
>mobile gacha
>same shit
yikes

>not currently being fucked up the ass
>guy says he's going to fuck me up the ass
>say no
>"wow don't you know change is good you're supposed to be looking toward the future what are you a boomer?"

I think the real issues is games have gone from passion hobby to standard entertainment platform. The demand on both time and depth of game is so high things get fucked. Good game, long game, detailed graphics game. Pick two.

Enjoy your Jump Force

>WORKED JUST AS HARD AS ME
lol I could make one of those asset flips in a week
have you ever browsed by new on steam? it's a shitshow

>creating terrible, bland cookie cutter sequels to franchises people are honestly tired of already.
People like you have been saying this for literal decades, and other people keep buying those same games. Here's a hot take: your opinion isn't everyone else's

>By three literal nobodies making a dank souls platform copy.
Oh, you're retarded. Carry on then

Literally this. When factory works got piss poor pay and worked in deadly conditions they said fuck off and all refused to work until they got unions and fair pay and liveable work conditions. If game devs wanted better working hours and conditions then they’d do the same thing. Rallying consumers that have zero involvement does nothing

Crunch time shouldn't matter if you're being compensated. Don't do the job if you can't handle the requirements.

>¥0.01 has been deposited into your account

Now that I'll agree with.

>epic store
People hate having to divide their library between different storefronts, since it's annoying as fuck.
>Stadia
Massive input lag, literally no ownership, you're entirely reliant on google's servers and your own ISP being 100% stable all the time or your experience goes to shit.
>VR
The technology itself isn't that hated, but people hate the fact that the barrier of entry is ridiculously high and most of the games out for it are glorified tech demos.

i don't care about anime games from fucking bamco, sorry

>guy with porn icon tells me what to think
The only thing worse than having anime girls as your pic

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So people shouldn't be worried about an even tighter grip of gatekeeping in the industry? Lol.

Have you been on Steam lately? At least 50 of those 65 games were almost certainly shitty asset flips that no decent moderation system would have let through.

do you imagine most developers are being paid for their overtime?

>no, I don't read history books and i skipped classes because I got redpilled on the internet

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>game devs call gamers entitled little shits

SHOCKING TWIST

They are the entitled little shits.

>WAHHH WAHH WHY NO ONE BUY MY GAME I WORK SO HARD ONE? I DESERVE THE SPOTLIGHT. I DESERVE THE MONEY. GIVE ME MONEY NOW.

Isn’t that profile pic cropped from a furry sex comic about gay eeveelutions?

No, that's what the devs need to be mad about. Why the fuck is that my problem? Do game devs care about my working conditions? About the working conditions of eveyrone who works on every product they consume?

Gamers and game developers both need taken outside and shot. This has to be the most embarassing form of media and groupings of people. No one in reality will look at any of these people and take them seriously.

I'm an accountant. I worked 80 hours this week. Do you care about my working conditions while I get you your refund with all of your little dumb gaming exemptions? No? Then shut the FUCK up, make my game, or quit. Your politics are worthless.

Yeah. I'd hope so. I honestly think the R* 100 hour thing for RDR2 was a one off thing that the devs willingly did.

>muh devs
Fuck off, deal with your own problems, nigger.

Yes, in fact there's outrages when dev aren't paid for their time, like with LA Noire

>I worked 80 hours this week
I'm sure you are compensated well for your time. That is also definitely not the industry standard

Yep, and thanks to leftist no borders and globalist policies by the way.

games on epic store don't have a green man gaming equivalent that sells things at cheaper prices.

isn't that just because it's quarter end right now?

>they basically hate change

No need to fix what isn't broken. I'm not bowing to an inferior and scummy service just because commie developers get a sweeter deal

What’s wrong with the last thing?

What did these fucks think would happen when Gabe decided to let them all in instead of vetting them? They only have themselves to blame for the situation they created.

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>some bumblefuck nobody who made a game in his free time living off still water and ramen can afford marketing
retard

it's the only thing he's right about

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>these are the people who tell you that you're entitled for critizing a game publisher

I think I wanna lick Sylveon's asshole as I tickle his balls

>I don't like anal
>"Don't you guys have an ass?"

It takes zero dollars to post threads about something on your various game discussion boards.
Marketing doesn't just mean big, expensive billboards and ads at the super bowl

>muh crunch :((((
Cant these people get a fucking grip. That's always been a thing and will always be, and not only in vidya, FAR from it. At least those people putting in the hours get to work on something they love.
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It´s Froot Loops

it's also going to be noticed in a positive way by the same amount of people

I agree with the points, but big corporations suck in all industries, same with working conditions in nearly all industries. He's complaining about problems that reach beyond game dev

TROLL'D

>there's no point in doing anything so why even try
Sure thing buddy

That's the future

Yea Forums: "The video game industry is a nepotist shithole full of liberal blue-haired SJWs who suck the life out of starry-eyed and naive game devs."

Also Yea Forums: "Oh, just get over it, you babies! Being a game dev is a walk in the park!"

I sort of understand the issue; Steam is full of shitty asset flips.

He's completely right. Steam now has a reputation for being a dumpster and I don't check out new releases because of it.

uh
where's the hypocrisy?

>everyone on Yea Forums is the same dude

>what people should care about: things I care about
>what people actually care about: things they care about
Woah, what a revelation. It's almost like this guy is not the center of the universe and he can go fuck himself.

Sure he's right. But Steam being a dumpster is the only reason his game got on there in the first place

Nobody said that in the 90s and early 00s you filthy revisionist, these days it is obviously and blatantly true

I'm Captain Basch fon Ronsenberg, of DALMASCA!

>they epic store
cause of spyware and anti consumer shit
>they hate Stadia
cause it's not proven to even be good
>they hate VR
cause they're isn't any worthwhile games for it

Judging by the general tone of this thread, yeah.

Why do you idiots keep saying this? Everyone knows that there's a specific culture on this website. After all, you people hate video games, right?

...

Why does Yea Forums hate women so much when they act just like them? Just look at you making gossip all fucking day

I am assuming for the sake of argument that his game isn't complete shit, and even if it isn't, there are still legitimate games that this issue affects

>>money stolen over contrived "toxicity"
are you one of those people that aggressively shitposts in gamechat and then gets spanned for spamming "nigger"

How does the first three affect me?

epic is bringing console war bullshit to pc with paid exclusives, plus data collection and ties to tencent make them shady as fuck
if game streaming takes off it's going to crush ownership and right to repair
vr is kind of cool but without full movement it seems incomplete and nobody has really made a vr game for which vr is actually necessary

what SJWs get mad about:
- lack of gender sliders :(
- white people existing at all :((
- white heterosexual males :(((

>what ______ should be mad about

Bitch/Fag, who the fuck are you to tell me or anyone else what we SHOULD be mad about?

i almost checked this bullshit on steam

>unions are a cancer

Conservatism is mind poison

THIS. As a small indie dev myself I am grateful that steam lets me sell my passion projects on their store that otherwise would have been seen by like 12 people on itch.io, who cares that there's some shovelware there as well? Then your own game will just look even better in comparison

>a black guy being voiced by a white man
>a native american who's voiced by someone who isn't one

>Epic Store
A shit basic launcher that's purposely trying to bring console war to PC not to mention it spies on your info
>Stadia
People haven't even flat out said they hate. Most reactions are just suspicious how good it'll run and concerns over longevity
>VR
that's a lie. Majority love VR. If the price for entry was lower and it wasn't such a barren wasteland for content then it'd be amazing

Are you one of those people that spam report over "gg"

I think VR is cool from what I've tried at demos and Beat Saber was pretty fun when I tried it. It's just that the equipment needed is expensive, you need a fairly good computer to run VR, and a good amount of space if you're playing more wide open games that expect you to move around. Just not practical for a lot of people who are content with what they have.

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Why?

Replace that but with mvc2 not on Xbox one, let me play that please oh god

It's because of his ilk that Steam is a dumpster fire. These indie devs bitched and moaned about Steam being a walled off garden and demanded that Valvel opened themselves up to allow them in their store.
They did exactly that and now they're mad that there's a bunch of other saps like him releasing games.

>He's complaining about problems that reach beyond game dev

Yeah, it's the same old "The video game industry should get treatment that's completely unrealistic and unlike that of any other industry" mantra that people who work in the video game industry constantly espouse.

I'm confused at what point you're attempting to make....are you trying to say those two statements are contradictory to each other? Because they aren't, not even slightly.

I unironically do not give one iota of a fuck about the working conditions for devs. I don't give a fuck about their job security. I don't give a fuck about them.

>What I should be mad about
don't care
don't care
don't care
>What gamers get mad about
Fuck steam and fuck paying for games.

I’m disgusted at how trash this opinion this is

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>pic
Is that user really mad an adult spends his weekend enjoying his life?

my thoughts: all these left wing activists invading gaming should be sent to the fucking gulags

Just start your own studio if you think you can do it so much better.

Why the fuck should I care if gamedevs are in unions or not?

>Yea Forums supports Steam censorship if it BTFOs anime titties
>Yea Forums also supports Steam censorship on indie games they don't like

God, I hate this website.

>80 hours of pencilpushing
you are like a little baby

Go discuss these problems with writers. They'll love it.

>Thoughts on this, Yea Forums?
They should not have chose a shit field with a high competitive market

>Thinking this is exclusive to gamers
Do athletes care that their $120 shoes are made in an Asian sweatshop for pennies on the dollar? Do pet owners care that their puppy was made in a puppy farm? Do home cooks care that their chicken breast came from a farm where they store the animals in extremely cramped and cruel condition

>Angry tards seething because no one cares about their walking simulators.

Wrong. I'm all for Steam letting fucking everything on their store.
I'm not the pissy indie dev complaining my crap game was drowned by other crap games.

Nah, just taken out of their homes in the small hours of the morning and have one put behind their ear.

Where was it debunked

What gamers should be mad about:
- their race and culture being replaced
- advances of technology making games worse and not better
- progressive shit getting shoehorned into every major game
What gamers get mad about:
- game not on steam

No it's not, it's almost never compensated in any way

>doing drugs
>eating cheap sugar cereal
>watching cartoons
>alone

Sounds like a loser to me.

Guys I want to fuck a Sylveon so bad.

>that last bit
I bet the faggots who post shit like in the OP pic are vegans.

adults acting, dressing and speaking like children is a problem in the US

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>It takes a twitter faggot to say something on a condensing tone for Yea Forums to realize the flaws of something the majority of anons parrot every day here.

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i think that user is more in disbelief that this adult thinks this is a healthy way to enjoy a Saturday morning and sensible enough to show off to the world.
it screams apathy.
its not an image the average joe would want to aim towards.

although, here's to hoping the photographer doesn't do this every weekend. if not, well, if they're content and not keen on doing something more valuable with their time?
more power to them.

VR is a meme gimmick fad that is already over to be quite honest.

Always found it curious how game communities/people who focus on games but seem to hate "gamers" focus on all these things that affect the producer or worker. Don't really see people complain when things like iPhones are made from unethical mining and the likes.
Pretty indifferent otherwise.

- quote from Yea Forums user, on a video game board

Hm. Weird. But if it was that horrible then they would've quit, right?

>Sign up for notoriously shitty work environment
>Expect someone else to fix the situation they themselves signed up for

>we're supposed to feel bad for people making 90k a year on average

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I don't identify as that.

>Expecting the consumer to be your shield.
>Expecting the consumer to fight for your rights.
>Not being a bitch and doing these things yourself.

Anyone who has ever posted a twitter screencap on Yea Forums needs to be gassed

>they hate Stadia
we don't hate her, we just don't want to buy her shitty console

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>What gamers should be mad about
>Things that i support politically
>What gamers shouldn't be mad about
>Things i don't care about

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Why is Foucault's reanimated corpse sitting next to three switch owners?

Remember when games were made by passionate nerds instead of whiny faggots? Good lord, gas CA.

"i do not identify as a NEET" says man with no job

Why the fuck would the consumer be upset about your working conditions? Workers need to fight for their own damn rights, not beg other people to fight for them.
The only thing I as a consumer give a shit about is how good your product is.

nice projection Yea Forums user with no job.

Yea Forums's been...weird lately.

I don't know what it is. It might be because of the election, or maybe they've always been like this and I never picked up on it. But everyone on Yea Forums became VERY insecure when it comes to enjoying. Like, it's gotten to a point where they will just sit by and bitterly watch folks who are happy and just have utter contempt towards them. They get genuinely angry at people who spend their time playing video games and watching cartoons. They like to pretend it's pity, but in reality it's actual genuine anger and hatred. Yea Forums REALLY wants to be one of those old boomers who are "above" playing video games. It's fucking creepy, man.

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Why should I worry about their work problems? That's like me complaining to people on Streets why they aren't helping my work place to give me better shit.

Correction: I am 4channel user

Stop using the word censorship. You aren't even using it in the right fucking context. Secondly, I don't care. Steam has provided me with the tools to block their garbage from ever appearing on my page. Something I am grateful for to make my browsing experience better for my needs.
And wouldn't you know it? Those indie devs are mad as fuck that those tools exist. They're mad as fuck that automated refunds are a thing. They're mad as fuck that user reviews are a thing. They're mad as fuck that Steam isn't a golden ticket to success. Maybe it was years ago when it was harder to get in, but they fucked themselves over by whining for the equivalent of open borders.

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what jobs aren't suffering from a combination of those

Especially pointless unions, if people have examples of successful ones go ahead and list some

>what gamers should be mad about according to me:
>-dev problems
>what consumers get mad about:
>-consumer problems
hmmm

Why would anyone give a shit over the work conditions of the hundreds of code monkeys that pound keys in an office?

This is why I hate anyone supporting Epic Games store.

It's all "Devs get a bigger cut! Epic is pro-dev!"

Why the everloving F U C K would I care about Devs getting more money?

Fuck right off.

To be fair most of them live in Silicon Valley, where making 90k a year puts you just above poverty.

I can see the worker having the inability to actually fight for their own rights even on a mass scale since they're so easily replaceable because there are thousands behind them that would love to work on games

You also have the consumer purchasing whatever a publisher puts out there giving so much financial power to them that firing people, hell, entire development teams is hardly even a pinprick to their profits while turning around and saying the billions they made just wasn't enough

What are they to do?

If your life revolves around emulating your childhood to the best of your ability you probably stopped maturing around highschool.

software developers make more money than basic construction workers so i don't see any problem.
>"oh shit i have to sit on my ass for few hours a day"
Sounds awful. Also twitter shit should be just outright banned. It's never about vidya games. Just some shilling on literal whos and offtopic

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Gaben has outright stated that if they acted as a barrier to entry and blocked games based on their looks or how they played, Stardew Valley would never have got onto Steam. I'm also fairly certain CDPR and GOG have said they would have blocked Aarklash Legacy from being on their platform because it "looked like mobile garbage."

This is the problem with policing content. For every ten or twenty garbage games you block, you end up negating access to a really good game that could be the next big hit.

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that explains it

AAA Gamedevs get the rope

Oh boy, it's another one of those "CENSORSHIP IS ONLY DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT HURRR DURR" retards. I hope you enjoy living in a nightmare dystopia where you'll be forced to starve on the streets if you hold even a slightly controversial opinion.

Legitimately, I would fucking kick the shit out of someone like you. People like you sincerely need to die off for the world to become a better place. Get fucked.

Every job is like this, from office work to fast food. The fact that they think that their jobs should be cushy and nice just cause their "special" is pathetic.

>why the [string of unneeded curse words] care about devs getting more money
so the devs can continue making games and make sequels to said game? its not rocket science sweaty

life will fuck you nine ways in an hour anons. small traditions and self services will help keep you grounded and mentally stable when the shit hits.

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>CHANGE IS ALWAYS GOOD
What a nigger.

lmao who the fuck cares about the game devs? the main thing they should focus on is delivering a polished, finished product for consumers.
if they can't even do that, they deserve to get shit on. if they made a good product, then we're all happy, sales go up and they make the big bux.

I love that argument
>Devs get a bigger cut!
t. Publisher
Some of these devs didn't even know their publisher decided to change storefronts until the press release came out.

You're not cool for disliking video games, Yea Forums. Sorry to say.

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Let me guess, this fag defends Bioware and Anthem on a daily basis.

1. You chose this field. You knew beforehand what it was gonna be. That's your fault
2. Consumers don't need to worry about problems directed towards devs. They're consumers. Only they matter for help keeping your job
3. At the end of the day it's a business. Sure it's creative but it comes down to dollars and if it's a product of entertainment then it needs to profit big. Long hours, no job security and bad corporate rules is LITERALLY the entertainment business. Prove you're good enough to stay.

how about making your game stand out first

KYS DISCORD TRANNY

what gamers should be mad about:
>things that don't directly affect me
what games get mad about
>things that directly affect them

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>What people with cars should be mad about
>Lack of labour unions for mechanics and manufacturing plants that make parts
>Unrealistic expectations and work environments
>Volatile market that could lead to an entire business going defunct quickly.
>What people with cars get mad about:
>This car is a piece of shit and I need to get it repaired/buy a new one.

This.
It's like you people took the "Yea Forums is angry all the time and we hate video games" meme too far.

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that sounds like a lot of projection over people mocking a guy for bragging about how he smokes weed while watching rick and morty.

gamers are a race?

It must be a problem everywhere that's not a third world shithole then because everyone looks, dresses and acts the same in every developed financially stable nation.

How is he bragging, you dumbass? YOU'RE the one projecting.

Why would I give a shit about devs? All I care about is if the game is good

>america
>financially stable

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You gotta admit that pic takes it a little far.

>volatile corporate structures that make job security impossible
Is that really the issue or is it the unpredictability of the market and the way the industry just is?
Every company tries to grow huge and plow resources into bigger and bigger titles to get more and more of the market share. If you stay small for the sake of maintaining a stable workforce, you lose out and the ones that grow and act greedy win; not only in returns but investment.
Independent studios exist, but beyond a certain scale of company you either need to tap into the multiplayer network effects. The bigger you go, the more likely you are to be _the_ game that everyone has to play. If you want investors to help you make that happen, they probably expect a growth oriented, unstable structure.

It isnt my responsibly to get upset at other people's lack of jobs and lack of union access.

I dont throw a hissy fit because the guy who makes my bread isnt geting his pension, so why tf should ibe upset for this? We all have job woes. Its not my problem to worry about some random stranger's problems. Im a consumer, not their boss.

No, it really doesn't. It's just a guy saying he smokes weed and likes Rick and Morty. You're the one projecting negativity onto it.

Why the fuck does it even matter what adults do in their spare time? If they're leeching off someone else to do it that's one thing, but if they're a self sufficient working person who contributes to society why does it matter what they do on the weekend when they're relaxing? I'm genuinely curious why you care and what your answer to this is?

Not that it's actually relevant to the post in question though, as that user was acting like the guy was acting like it psychologically broke him to see a guy watching cartoons and eating cereal.

Why do people must enjoy their lives, bros? Why can't they be as cool as us: Laughing at others for enjoying their lives?
Why can't they be grumpy as me?

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its like a certain culture has become dominant finally

Some people call them... the Diamond Dogs.

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>That artist's work wasted on Canadian tier animation that can't even replicate it

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Heh, gamers.

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im an animator in the industry

its really not that bad, half of my co workers are fucking babies though. They spend half the day on youtube and walking in and out of the break room then have the nerve to complain about crunch along with these twitter faggots who have never so much as seen the inside of a studio

Game devs dont really make big bucks unless they are directors or leads

bragging is the sole purpose of reddit, what do you think the voting system is for?

>makes and indieshit limbo knock off
>expects it to stand out

So basically they're inept and the reason a crunch even happens. Sounds about right.

>complain about crunch

Would you still have crunch if you just worked most of the shift?

Sorry, I don't browse Reddit nor do I have mind-reading powers. So you'll have to excuse me for being a little bit skeptical.

>go into highly competitive work force with known long hours, crunch time and unfair rules
>WAHHHHH ITS TOO HARD
That's like walking up to a beware of dog sign, with people telling you don't go there and you did and got fucked and now you're complaining to have the dog put down cause of your own dumb decisions?

not really retard, most junior to mid level positions makes from 45-75k, and if you see a mid tier job making 90k he probably lives in fucking california or new york where the rent is so insane you can barely live off that

Isn't unpaid overtime illegal?

Working isn't contributing to society, and only someone who does nothing but sit home alone getting high would think that. It's the lifestyle of a lazy person who only lives for immediate and easy pleasure, and people like that shouldn't be allowed near others for fear of influencing them. Society should be made up of people of good character. Shutting yourself in so you can do drugs and stare at netflix all day while eating high fructose corn syrup isn't good character. It's bad character.

It is, but salaryfags don't have that benefit.

Epicshills are fucking annoying

I'd imagine you still would, but it wouldn't be "Oh fuck we forgot to make the game itself"

>PC
nope, those fucks should be eliminated from gaming, PC right now its the cancer killing gaming

I work in a factory and for the last 3 or 4 months we've been working every saturday because people call in so much. Then when they have to work on saturday they don't show up saturday or monday. So we have to keep working saturdays.

It's a self inflicted problem that perpetuates itself.

>Also Yea Forums: "Oh, just get over it, you babies! Being a game dev is a walk in the park!"
When has this been said? Majority know that being a dev sucks ass unless you have a love for the work. That's why it's funny to see these faggots squirm when it takes a quick Google search to know how terrible and competitive it is to be a game dev

>Walmart doesn't stock my homemade soaps and candles, CENSORSHIP!

>HURR GHETTO IN LARGE CITY = WHOLE COUNTRY

Oh look, the UK isn't financially stable either.

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pretty much, an overwhelming amount of employees do fucking nothing half the time then are surprised when execs come down on them to get to fucking work

but the execs are no saints either, they fill tons of positions with roles like "assistant technical director" and "executive production manager" essentially people are fucking paid to do fucking nothing and have say over things they shouldnt have say over

honestly, its a mess but its not a mess that unionization would fix. If anything making this industry more unionized would just make people bigger more retarded lazy babies

Yes, user. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Now go back to bed before you shit your diapers again.

I'm sure we all know this struggle. I wondered for years why they don't just start firing these people and it just dawned on me that several laws are likely preventing this entirely so in short the people who actually want to work get fucked and everyone else is promoted to manager

Crunch is something I really don't understand. Maybe if you're working at EA where you have to churn out the next CoD or FIFA so you're pretty much always "working" on the next title, but if you're at a studio run by Sony or Nintendo, etc, and you have a big name title coming out, just constant testing and reaching goals should be enough to make release.

about half the time I look over to my "busy and stressed co worker's" desk they are on reddit

tells you something about the problem

There are a lot more things to complain about that aren't listed at all by that retarded furfag

disingenuous and retarded
people already DO talk about that shit and have been for ages
that's why pc gamers usually try to support indies when they can

>people that play games should worry about things that only impact those that make games

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nah I'll agree the pay is shit

What gamers want: good games
What gamers don't want: bad games

this

AhahahhahahahahahahahahahaAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

Every major city in the US looks like that until you get to very specific areas. They concentrate all the poop colored people and all the poor people in one area, of course it's going to look like shit and not be taken care of.

Its almost like video games are for kids.

>"Why don't these nerds who play with electronic toys care about these openly racist, sexist assholes who hold them in contempt and hide behind token minorities to cover up their incompetence?"

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I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or an actual thing.

I think it was an actual thing that happened

i want a sylveon to fuck ME

>union
Nah, fuck off commies.

>gamers should be mad about developer issues
Fucking what?
I mean I feel for them with how often you hear about shitty work environments.
They're fucking children if they expect anyone else to take action for them though.
Isn't something like this why that whole writer's strike shit happened before?
Why don't they do something themselves instead of bitching that someone else isn't crying for them?

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From memory the dev did a find/replace/delete everything with "steam" in it, so a separate sound effect (or something) file got deleted as well.

>le meme ugly face eevee porn comic
>as a fucking profile pic
give me one reason why anyone in this thread should take this flaming faggot seriously

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>gamers are now actually becoming oppressed

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looks comfy desu

Well, yes, obviously, that's the implication from the tweet.
Huh.
polygon.com/2019/2/8/18216070/axiom-verge-crash-steam-code-error

It was real. People went onto the Steam discussion forums to ask what was wrong because Epic has no forums.

I'd rather eat Capn Crunch or something but yeah SNES beats out most of the games released in the last 2-3 years

You are only allowed to like Bloodborne and Fallout New Vegas. Even if you haven't played them, pretend you have. And say Kino all the time.

Am I allowed to like Breath of the Wild too?

I don't agree that other people's problems are my concern. I sympathize but I don't really care. I also am staunchly anti union. Unions kill every industry and send work overseas. There's enough garbage coming from other countries already.

Now to counter that, I do think there's a problem with the system. Crunch goes way back and just because it's always been there doesn't excuse it. I think the way to kill it is to set strict budgets early on and never budge on release dates. If you know June 15 2022 you have to be done, you have no excuses. And if you don't or you release a broken pile of shit, you're fired. Patches and such should be normalized across the company with a dedicated staff, not the devs. One or two heads keep the pipeline stacked so that when you finish a game you aren't looking for work, you move to the next. With crunch gone nobody needs vacation (or at least not months).

We've treated games as art for too long. At most 3-4 people on a game are really artists in the creation sense. Everyone else is doing a job. Does retail shut down after Black Friday? No. Do lighting and sound guys work 80 hour weeks on films? No. Enough bullshit. Either it's a business and you stop playing hacky sack in the hall and drinking beer at work or it's artistic shit and you get no union or job security. You don't get both.

Those people are also destroying their credit scores or have already done so.
Maxing out cards for waifu anims is a bubble.

jesus fucking christ that's not reddit spacing.

does

this

bother

you

Yes, but only unironically ironically.

This

>unions

Yeah we definitely need worthless niggers who do nothing but complain about their wages.

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What do you think the screencap is for?

Hiring and building competent dev teams and treating them well by not forcing them to meet unrealistic deadlines and giving them comfortable working conditions might produce better games though?

I cant imagine not having a game on Steam trumps large publishers buying studios, tightening deadlines and hiring and dropping large inexperienced teams to make BR/Souls clone #542156.

>why does the service that let me shovel my crap onto it also let other people shovel crap onto it?
this question is too big for my brain

>word gamer
>cringey furcuck avatar from that embarrassing eevee forced meme comic
>wolf moms- just yikes
Didn’t read the rest after that

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>They get genuinely angry at people who spend their time playing video games and watching cartoons
GET OUT YOU FUCKING NEWFAGGOT

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How the fuck can game devs be so fucking entitled? Gamers aren't normies, they don't give a shit about how much you struggle, all they care about is if your game is good and on their platform of choice.

>This movie
Was pretty dull at the beginning

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What he says
>labor unions

What he means
>left-wing mafias, enforced by the state

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>over an hour later and still no refutations
good post

1.Who are the mysterious group called "gamers" I have been hearing about? Seems to be selective on who is one when it should just be a general hobby title.

2.Why should I give a fuck about your poor life choice of becoming a fucking code when ironically your value of a "skill" is no better than a coal miner?

I seriously find it funny about these "muh ebil corperations" fags sperging about the work condition but YET they do everything besides actually not working for a big company to remedy this.

They work in an entertainment industry. Just because you work in an office, doesnt mean you get the same security as most office jobs.

What he says
>labor unions

What he means
>left-wing mafias, enforced by the state

What he really means
>Twitter friends getting job in the industry and remove white mens

Workers are only employed to draw a profit, not because they "deserve" a paycheck. And no, dismantling private ownership does not magically undue the natural reality that people have to work hard to survive.

Why should I care you're bad at picking jobs with no job security? Everyone wants to be a video game rockstar. No one wants to be an office monkey but they do it for better pay, better work life balance and because frankly they're more useful to society.

Oh No No No begin functional adult with average job

how come no one cried about crunch time when negroes had to do it in plantation farms?

My thoughts are that of a consumer. The game's availability and quality are my concerns. I can't be expected to care about how your workplace's conditions. It's your job. You do something. You talk to your boss. I dont go telling random strangers to tell my boss to step his game up. Wtf?

I had to choose vidya because they were the only ones contacting me for work during a recession. I say i'd take it back now, but I didn't have a choice.

well, i can say ive literally done that as a kid, and continue to this fucking day, only that SNES is either a Saturn, Gamecube, PS2, PS3, or the xbone.

and yeah, i still prefer it

>Seems they would prefer a simpler time with no cares in the world and having innocence
No shit, isn’t that everyone?

>Fellow Yea Forumsrothers shitting up on wagecucks

Im home...

>They hate Epic Store
Who wants to install a spyware, malware launcher in his/her comp? The whole exclusivity thing just killed it for me and also destroyed the reputation of Epic Store period.
>They hate Stadia
That tech is not ready yet. When Google decides to discontinue Stadia for some reason like they did Google+, Google Reader, etc, what will happen to the games buyer purchased? Lost forever? Not worth it.
>They hate VR
Nope, they are semi-ready. They want their first VR experience to be perfect, meaning they need to deploy the really good 4K-8K HMD at the reasonable price.

lol the average game developer salary in the U.S.A is 110,000$. This includes 401K and health insurance. There's simply no need for unions, developers are treated more than fucking well. Look at valve and there annual hawaii trips.

I'm mad about the sinking standards in gameplay for the last 20 years

>they hate a worse steam
>they hate steaming consoles which will murder ownership
>they hate vr??
VR is in a regrettable state, I don't think anyone hates VR as a concept, but plenty of people see it as not worth the money right now and for good reason.

Wasn't there just a game awards show where everybody in attendance applauded when the speaker said "gamers are the reason the New Zealand shooting happened"?

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I guess regression is change too.

>Seems they'd prefer it if they were still sitting in their PJ's, playing SNES, and eating Trix.
but that is change from everyday wageslaving life

Game devs are not my fucking friends. If they have shitty working conditions, that's their issue that they need to somehow deal with or solve.
I should absolutely be mad about Epic bringing console wars to fucking pc, and every faggot 'journalist' praising them for "getting rid of the monopoly steam had" even though buying exclusive rights to games you didn't even make is literally how a monopoly is gonna start

>Thoughts on this, Yea Forums?
If I'm going to start feeling bad for people's working conditions game devs are going to be very far down on that list. I really couldn't care less about their pay, job security and hours worked when all we seem to get a bug ridden early releases crammed full of microtransactions.

that's exactly 100% what I want
hello from /vr/. your guys games suck

I don’t hate change tho. I hate change for the worse.

Did that awards ceremony take place in America?

"Gamers" are probably the worst demographic you can possibly have, endless stream of autists, manchildren , entitlement, anger, butthurt but holy shit those people working in the "tech industry" are the most entitled and privileged assholes in the entirty of the workforce and unironically deserve to go get laid off and flipping burgers.

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>He thinks advertising is free

It is his fucking fault to release his indieshit on the most busy week such as Halloween sales - many new games release at once. He should research beforehand. dummmy

>epic store
a knock off steam
>stadia
what is latency and input lag
>VR
maybe when it actually works well in like a decade

>it's new so its good by default.
no. we hate that stuff cause its SHIT.

>it's going to look like shit and not be taken care of.
and why should it

Yes, but the people who said it were foreign.

Under 18s shouldn't be allowed to post their opinions on the internet

actually yes. Yes that sounds nice.

That's what makes the most profit

Trix was introduced in 1954, Froot loops 1963

no answer... fucking amazing.

THIS IS EPIC

>caring about anyone else than yourself
Nice beta living you fucking cucks

>everybody in attendance applauded

there's a reason those foreigners were there user

am I suppose to take this guy seriously? His profile picture is from a gay pokemon furry hentai comic where every single frame is a shot of an eevee's puckered asshole and ballsack, drawn by a vorefag.

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>not cinnamon toast crunch

Oh yes, let's be mad about a bunch of pampered rich people being a bit less rich instead of being mad about a corporation giving money and the personal data to a brutal communist dictatorship that killed millions.

casual players dont give a shit about developers and their problems, they just want to play videogames, of course they care if the FUCKING game is not on steam

He's right you know

twitter.com/GameWorkers/status/1108781493109686273
Because the only places foreigners have safe space in america are socialist shitholes?

My thoughts are that someone who sucks off gigantic monolithic companies isn't worth listening to anything they have to say on anything.

Where my Pops niggas at

Not a fucking dev
I want games on a platform that benefits the consumer

???
she was talking about job security??
how is that representative of a shithole? id be happy to be in gamedev without being exploited and not able to afford my meals?

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Im hopeful for the oculus quest, tho i do feel nervous at giving my soul to the zuck

None of her speech is on the internet unless you watch the whole stream and I guarantee you don't have the attention span for that.
twitter.com/i/status/1108563886612066304

No, gamedevs should be mad about that shit. I'm just a retarded consumer you sort that shit I only know about how expensive games are and if they're fun or not. If all this crap affects prices and quality then my attitude changes towards the product and price good or bad.

twitter.com/i/status/1108575102424231936, here's the guy who said fuck racist gamers

...oh.
for fuck sake..

why do all of these people have such misplaced judgement? i agree about workers rights and all that but going so far as to saying such triviol just looks shitty to people outside their circle.

and she was definitely american.
foreign parents, yes, but she grew up in america. looks like she's completed absorbed into its political toxicity.
this looks pathetic from an outsiders perspective.

>Keep /pol/ out of Yea Forums
How about you tell developers to keep politics out of videogames? Blaming gamers for a mass shooting is something 80's era Republicans would have done, what the fuck is this bizzaro world?

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He's right though. Fuck white supremacists

What if you replaced white with black in that sentence?

Why the fuck should I as the consumer give a shit about any of that?

>anti colonialist, anti white, anti gun, anti men and anti video gamers
This isn't something that the US considers common.

STOP!

Fuck black supremacists. Fuck any kind of racial supremacist.

He's using a tragedy outside of their country to put their conference on a pedestal.
Its none of their fucking business. And its a shitty thing to do.
Do they seriously think people won't see through this opportunist and his motives?
Its not cool.

What does that have to do with videogames though? That's like somebody taking the stand and saying "Fuck Black Panthers, please clap."

Umm, user, you realize these Twitter shitposts don't even have a blue checkmark next to them right?
How am I supposed to take this seriously?

the kind of people that rant about this shit always seem to be from the US, and the outside world tries to ride along with it.
its tiring.

Tim Schafer is a slimy little shit of a man who will happily take advantage of any situation he finds to make himself look good. No doubt about that.
He's still right though. If the statement itself is what makes you mad, then you're probably a faggot

Obviously right.

Man, fuck this guy.
>properly explains his points
>then strawmans what he hates, leaving out the totally reasonable concern of bringing exclusivity to a platform that's been mostly free of it

And I know you fucks will say shit like Origin or UPlay but those are mostly for their own games and they've never said that anyone who sold their game on there could ONLY sell it on there unless they actually financially backed or otherwise partnered up with them to make the game.

He's a fucking retard and not worth debating or considering the thoughts of.

Also, all four are legit concerns and would go a long way to making the industry a better place overall, exclusivity and bucks for it only shows you the uglier side of devs who otherwise could hide it well.

I never understood people's hatred of the state of Steam. For a company that's had the top spot for online video game distribution, they've had a relatively low level of controversy and exploitation. Sure, crappy games get through the filter all the time, but all this means is that Steam's letting the consumers decide what games are successful or not. Honestly, the fact that a bunch of shovelware gets through is testament to the generosity that Steam gives to indie devs, and hearing some indie devs throw blame at Steam for their game tanking is a sign of delusion. In this age of social media, talk travels fast, and no matter how deeply they're buried in garbage, good games are quickly unearthed.

Devs have to realize that sometimes, even if you work long and hard at a project for years, you don't get back what you put in. Sometimes, your project just sucked, or didn't work out. It's never going to help you out if you blame everyone else because of it, you gotta be self-critical and improve yourself. Basically, suck it up, shitty devs. Attacking those who publish/play your game is never going to help you out.

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>dried fruit

just eat normal fruit

pff only white people care about this

Why would I want this shit, as a consumer? The only thing this shit will do, is jack up the prices of games. I'd rather devs be my slaves. The way it should be.

I know this was said as a joke, but the only way things can change is if the market changes , you can discuss it and make people believe in your views but that's too much work

especially if you are doing it in the internet