Maybe I'm too young to understand, but why don't devs just put their games on Steam and EGS at the same time?

Epic buys exclusive rights for a year. The problem behind epic gamestore is that a chinese megacorp. owns a big chunk of it and people found out that it reads, saves and distributes your data, steam Library, friendlist and others even if you tell Thema to stop, which they have to if you are in the EU.

Because grass is greener on the other side. Same mentality as console exclusives, really.

I've heard that Epic is offering to pay them for every copy that is pirated. I can only presume that this could only be done if it was exclusively on the game store, as they can't manage what people do with games on other stores. Furthermore, it's win/win for the devs and Epic. The devs still get paid for piracy, as well as getting a bigger share of the profits, while Epic gets 100% share of legit customers on PC.

Yeah, the consumer loses the choice, but they really don't care because the consumer has demonstrated time and time again that they will put up with huge amounts of horse shit.

Steam's cut is chump change compared to what it would cost people to advertise and distribute their games themselves, to the point that many people don't bother selling them anywhere else.
Steam even lets them generate their own steam keys to sell third party and covers the cost without taking a cut from those.

The only reason to use Epic is if you don't think your game will sell well and they are willing to give the big payouts they are currently before Fortnite dries up.

That's not what I was asking...

And you've heard it wrong. Epic pays an amount that equals to a fixed sale so devs can release their game and never update or care about it anymore because they made money. It has nothing to do with piracy.

Because you're a retarded monkey.

Because Valve doesn't bribe them into it

what's the point of answering anyway when you know the answer very well and are just baiting for replies?

Yes it is.
People don't complain because the people that only sell on Steam aren't contracted to.
They just don't sell it anywhere else because it isn't worth what it would cost them to sell it other ways when it is already advertised and distributed on PC's biggest marketplace with the fee already included.

No, no, they promise them certain amount of sales and to cover difference between promised and actual amount.

But why does that matter to the consumer? Either way I'm forced to use Steam to play thousands of games even if I want nothing to do with the platform.

Don't forget the easy publicity, less people would have know about Metro if it wasn't for the sudden change in their decision of making it exclusive.

Because they wanted free marketing from crying VaIvedrones.

The new Metro games is by far their best selling Metro game ever.

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So, a dev can't publish on EGS unless they sign exclusivity to Epic?

Is there anything stopping a dev from releasing on both stores simultaneously?

Would that be something Steam or EGS would try to avoid, for sake of comparison metrics?

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>devs often have to hit a certain number of sales to get their full payout from publishers
>publishers take a payout to sell only on Epic that will give them money for all the lost sales
>publishers get to keep their bribe and any small sales cut while giving the devs pennies

Based Epic, killing game developers and feeding bloated publishers.

no you don't

How the fuck is steam a monopoly? That’s like saying shopping malls are monopolies

K. They still get money for pirated copies, and Epic still gets 100% of the user share. And most gamers won't care, just like they don't care about microtransactions or loot boxes.

I'd say the only moral thing to do is pirate, and to make sure to admit as much to the devs wherever you can (under the cover of a VPN or the like). Furthermore, tell them why you did.

The exclusives to steam aren't paid exclusives, devs just aren't selling elsewhere in these cases. Whether people wanna cry about valve having a monopoly or not, it's not through scummy tactics that valve has games like that, nor is it dev support. People just aren't releasing in other storefronts.

there are games existing on both platforms already, such as Subnautica

Yes I am, I'm forced to agree on their ToS that allows them to freely collect all my data and sell it if I want to install and play games that are only available on Steam.

You can choose to have your game run without even Steam running or on the computer when you publish it through Steam.
Most choose to though, probably to dissuade people from just sharing the game without even the basic hassle of making it think Steam is there.

see

Because if the devs wanted to they could release their games on any other store. They aren't being paid to keep the game exclusive on Steam. In many cases they sell keys directly to 3rd party resellers like GMG or GamesPlanet which might take a lower cut AND sell the game for cheaper. If Steam is selling a game for 60€(because they're still doing their $1=1€ bs) GamesPlanetDE might sell it for 50€. You're not covered by Steam's refund policy since you're not buying the game from Steam but you're getting it slightly cheaper.
When a game is 100% exclusive to steam it's usually a Valve title or the game is already very cheap and from a small dev that can't be arsed negotiating with all the other sites. But there's nothing legally stopping them from putting the game anywhere else, unlike Epic where publishers sign an exclusivity deal.

I'm sure there's nothing stopping a publisher from releasing it in both it's just that Epic tries to create controversy and they choose specific games for that, who knows what makes a game interesting enough for them to buy it exclusivity.

EGS is trying to establish a presence so they will buy their way with devs and as a tradeoff get exclusive distribution rights.
games not that noteworthy they won't bother with.

The only correct answer.
Valve doesn't stop people from selling their games elsewhere if they so choose.

no you don't

At least Steam only takes the information to offer them, instead of rooting through all the files on your comuter which you agreed to with the Epic launcher.

It's corporate meddling in a free market, instead of the consumer and the publisher being drawn to the best option for distribution Epic thinks they can draw people in by throwing money around despite offering an obviously inferior product. It doesn't really seem like they have a long term plan either, just "kill steam right now" which is pretty naive.

There's no way to play a game on Steam without installing it through their launcher first and agreeing to their ToS, why are you lying?

They can do both, but Epic is buying distribution rights for some games as a gamble to promote their platform.

you can play those games without Steam

You agree to a ToS made by the dev/publisher every time you play any game, you know that right?

of course he doesn't, he's underage

so? What does that have to do with anything I said?

Wow this thread sure is running of... STEAM, right quagmire?

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Good one Peter!

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Not who you are responding to, and haven't been involved in this chain at all, but it seems like, in your defense of Epic (for whatever reason), you are being willfully dense until you can't hold your position anymore without coming off as either a shill or a retard, at which point you immediately move the goal posts to something else.

>corporate meddling in a free market
No such thing. The only tactics that count as "meddling" in the free market are violence and the threat of violence, which tends to be the exclusive domain of governments and mafias. Buying distribution rights from the developer or publisher is a perfectly fine free market strategy, one which may backfire because trust with the consumer is necessary for long-term success.

I'm not defending Epic, I'm just asking why I should ever use Steam when it's basically the same shit.

Exclusive to one retailer is not the same as exclusive to one console. You can get your Switch games from Walmart, Amazon, the Nintendo E-Shop, etc. They compete with each other to get your money. EGS exclusives are only on the EGS. No competition. Friendly reminder that the EGS is a store, not a console.

Steam is a protector of Hentai, therefore my friend

Why does it matter that Valve has market competition to keep them honest and the EGS doesn't? Gee, I wonder.

Nobody is telling you to use Steam. If you don't want to, then don't. Go purchase your games however you like. Just know that it is arguably more moral to pirate a game that's Epic exclusive than it is to purchase a game from Epic's store.

About that....

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Refunds

the egs is a shitty launcher that lacks basic features other stores have had for years so they're trying to force themselves into the market by holding games hostage

>Go purchase your games however you like
But I can only buy those games at Steam, and it forces me to agree on their ToS that allows them to collect and sell my data.

Hey Quagmire, those are your kind of games right, you love the ones with little girls!
Ehheheheh

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Everyone is sucking Epic's cock now,they will probably become equal to steam in terms of share devs have to pay.All you see is probably good attempt to make epic store look amazing and dev friendly.They also give free games each week.I'll stick to the steam because I got used to it and it actually has some functions

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Steam is Walmart. Epic is a lemonade stand with 35 games. I don't know why anyone thinks the scales are shifting.

I'm not much for jargon, you know what I mean

You can't add games from other sources to EGS account like you can do on steam, I say that's Epic that tries to achieve monopoly.

...One time Peter, it was one time!

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What games are you talking about?

good thing we don't have a free market and generally make rules to prevent (or help) corporate bullshittery

Cool food analogy, Walmart still sells lemonade.

>Guardian Gabe protecting lolis from deviant predators
He really deserves better recognition for this

You can buy most Steam games from multiple retailers though. You don't have to buy them through Steam. You have to install them through Steam, but that's not the same thing.

Just give them false data if you are so worried, it only looks at what you give it.
You can even leave steam running while playing most pirated Steam games since it doesn't fuck around with the other shit on your computer.
It's not like Epic that digs through all the files on your system to send back to China.

And lemonade still resembles piss. Are you taking a side?

>protecting lolis
No anons. The lolis want it. It is the shotas that must be protected from these thots.

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No, I'm calling you a retard. Thanks for doubling down on that. EGS exclusives are only sold by the EGS. It's like if that Lemonade stand barred all other retailers from being able to sell Lemonade. This is why your analogy is retarded.

they are greedy fucks (epic pays for exclusivity), and steam has user reviews which is a no-no for some devs.

>google/epic shills still using wojaks
literally every thread about them

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You called it a food analogy in the first place. Also you're clearly taking a side.

>I've heard that Epic is offering to pay them for every copy that is pirated.
where did you heard such a fucking nonsense you total retard
i'm literally starting to pirate those games over and over right now to bankrupt epic
checkmate

Epic knows their Tencent-association will win them no favors so they will rather compete with exclusivity rather than price and service.

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>The new Metro games is by far their best selling Metro game ever.
Source or bullshit

You can service me, if ya know what I'm saying.
Giggity giggity goo!

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Are people really this dumb and thing the 2 are equivalent????

Steam doesn’t give a fuck where developers put their game, most put them on steam because they want to. Is it Valve’s job to tell devs “oh no make sure you put your game on GOG too”, no it’s the developers choice.

Epic is literally BRIBING devs to not only put their games on their market, but make them EXCLUSIVES. They otherwise wouldn’t have done either.

There is a huge difference.

China has a fucked up culture for sure

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really strange seeing so many thinks of Steam as a monopoly when it's just that it's so big that anyone that gets on Steam usually just don't bother releasing it anywhere else. it's only a monopoly in the sense that it's been succesful enough to deter competition.

I am pointing out facts, but okay.

That's not what they said. They said it sold more than their 2013 title. Ignoring the more recent title that sold more than that one as well.

based sweden

The sad thing is Epic has the resources to compete with them by making a better quality service which most simply don't have the resources to do.
Which would be great for consumers and publishers as they would then get into brinkmanship with eachother.
However they want to try to force everything into their market before making it even worse.

They measure their success by the darkness of the cock going into them.

All this chart tells me is that China is more honest than all those other countries

I love how Epic shills never produce any hard numbers, and recently changed to smear and deflection tactics instead of bragging about sales.
Given that any hard figures would be a real blow to valve, this really makes you think.

It really shows to me that the one child policy really fucked up the Chinese

Or you've been as brain fucked by consumerism as they have

It's not really consumerism that fucked them. China has no morals or real concept for human dignity. For them it's a dog-eat-dog world and the government enforces it. Human life has no inherent value, you can be treated like shit and it's your own fault for being a victim. It's a country of psychopathic insectmen and all they value is dominating others and consuming as much as you can.

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Because EPIC pays them millions of fortnite and chinese shekels to have 1 year exclusivity.

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>it's a human-eat-dog world
ftfy

underrated

OP here

So, some based dev with a desirable game could just release on both simultaneously and report which platform sold more?

All they have to do is decline the free Epic money and accept their final sales figures?

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Zoomer devs don't know about how they can literally profit off of steam 100%. There was a dev that explained you can actually put your game on steam for free if you link the payment stuff to a different website (i.e. your own site) and just give steam keys to simulate a consumer buying/playing a game from the client. I think thats how humble bundle games get their profits too

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chinks say that steam doesn't deserve the 30% cut anymore but why does epic deserve their 12% cut?

So far Epic has never released any numbers for sales.
Either people that agree to sell on their market aren't allowed to either, or they just want to stay in their good graces for now since no one that sells there has ever given hard numbers either.

Considering that if the numbers were good they would post them everywhere it's pretty telling.

But, dev can say which platform sold better, yah?
Without releasing numbers for any?

Those retards rent servers from amazon. Steam has their own data centers all over the world. They will never be equal to steam, at best they will have a large share of the western pc market (very very unlikely).

of course I live in America but look at where America is on that chart
Now I know that's not accurate and I also know Americans are good liars so good in fact they've lied to themselves
It's just cognitive dissonance they say one thing but act another way
That's all this chart is really showing the degree of cognitive dissonance in each of these countries
Any first world country on planet earth is filled to the brim with greedy and vain people it really is just a question of how up front about it they are

VtM:B2 is hitting Epic AND Steam at the same time, same day, no exclusivity deals. That'll be a decent test.

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EGS is shoving chink money down developer's throats for exclusivity rights. Any dev that makes their game exclusive on EGS is a sellout and doesn't deserve to be supported.
Business is cutthroat and EGS is strong-arming to win out over Steam. Walmart did similar shit before they were fucking everywhere.

So, we can all shut up about it and just wait for the 2020 release to settle this argument for good?

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It's not even about the sales figures. Why are you defending a budding monopoly? See:

>Game is only available on Steam and no other store
Thats monopoly

Because money.

So then another store doing the same thing keeping things from being available on both stores isn't competition. It's actively anti-consumer that forces the consumer to go to a different store.

Name one, other than cheaply translated jp indie games or Valve first-party. The vast majority of Steam games are available from a plethora of retailers, see:

Am I crazy to think that media have been systematically replacing the word customer with consumer to root out the 'customer is always right' mentality?

Because Epic is offering Fortnite money for exclusivity deals

Steam charges 30% to devs for each game sold. Epic charges like 12%. Devs make more money with epic for each game sold. In terms of business it makes more sense to go with them over Steam.
They have basically forced Steam to have to cut what they charge to content creators, or Epic will just keep poaching them away.

>Fortnite money
Oh dear. It's not Fortnite Money. It's Chinese benefactor money.

Epic literally has to pay them up-front and have them sign a legal contract forbidding them from release the game on other stores. The 12% cut has almost nothing to do with it.

Who's being defended?

So if everybody pirates then both the consumer and dev profits?

>Epic pays you for exclusivity
>You put your game on Steam

That's not how this works.

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Don't take the exclusivity money.
Just, release on both?

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Steam is a bad platform where games, even the best ones, have a chance of only selling 300 copies, and arguing with Steam drones has been like arguing with Beavis and Butthead

Why is Steam good?
>Because it's cool, mheheheeheh
Why is Epic Games Store bad?
>Because it sucks, uhhuhuhuhuhuh

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>miss out on money because you want to be nice

Are you new to this whole capitalism thing?

ctrl+f "Monopoly"

If you measure your personal value by the things you own, then those things really own you.

>Steam is a bad platform where games, even the best ones, have a chance of only selling 300 copies, and arguing with Steam drones has been like arguing with Beavis and Butthead
You have to market your game if you want it to succeed

There has never been a quality post next to this image. But that's to be expected, they all come from one person.

>ignore arguments
>lol u have no arguments!!!

I don't get it

Steam is a monopoly - what's your point?

Steam is the advertisement platform - except it's gone to shit.

I load up Epic Store, and oh look, I see all these cool games. Would have never heard of Operencia if not for Epic Store

And you've offered nothing but shitposting, drone
Same to you.

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get help or ask for a raise.

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>Steam is a monopoly - what's your point?
ctrl+f "monopoly", its been addressed.

Because nothing stops a dev from putting it elsewhere or even in their own site for sale and taking 100% of the sale.
But despite what every useful retard tells you, steam is used as promotion and it works

You have no arguments. Steam doesn't push for exclusivity to only their store. How is that monopolistic?

>"We've concluded that Epic Store is the better platform for our new game"
>"Just kidding, we got $10k in cash"
Actual quote from a Hades dev.

Nigga fuck customer, and his choice

But the Tayal dev is living his dream. He made money off of a passion project and got a job working at a AAA developer.

>develop team of capcom
>bad thing
I mean for all the shit they have done they never stopped having talented people at their teams, unless it was a shit tier part of the job I don't see why that isn't a compliment.

>Steam doesn't push for exclusivity to only their store.

They don't have the money or balls to.

steam doesn't run ads for games what the fuck are you talking about they still need to advertise their games. steam is a retailer that charges higher cuts than most brick and mortar stores.

Isn't the money Epic gives for exclusivity an advance on sales, though? It's just assurance, not extra bucks.

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Maybe it's because you're also competing with 50 other shitty Megaman clones. I mean what makes your game stand out? What's the gimmick, the reel? Furry Waifus?

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>Steam
>doesn't have the money

top kek

I don't think working at a soulless corporation is anyone's dream jo-

*gets zapped*

Oh yes, I sent my application to Capcom and I'll be working for them right away!

*thumbs up*
*winks at the camera*

Being another cog in the machine is what I've always wanted to do! Forget having my own successful game!

let me know where I can buy a copy of borderlands 2 thanks

Honestly, Steam drone, has Valve made anything successful in the past few years?

>Steam machines? Flop
>Steam controllers? Flop
>SteamOS? Flop
>Steam Link? Flop
>Shartifact? You better believe that was a flop
>Source 2? Not even made to even be a flop
>Steam Videos? Flop
>Steam VR? Fired devs

Literally the only money they have is from rent controlling other peoples games like a corrupt landlord, and that's gonna end soon.

isthereanydeal.com/game/borderlandsii/info/

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)

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>Steam drone

I'm a pirate, I just call bullshit out when I see it.

>Only makes sense, fuck steam its a monopoly.

t. man creating a monopoly where there was none before.

I don't see you calling yourself out, hypocrite

Learning the meaning of words before you use them might help you actually drive a point across for once.

>Valve doesn't have the money
>look at all these failed projects they invested millions into with no return without it affecting their primary source of income
???

This sounds a bit too personal, are you the dev? why is working for capcom such bad news?

Not him. I don't game on PC, but I don't understand your hatred for steam, while being OK with Epic.

Every criticism you can make about steam as a service is even worse on Epic if you are a customer. All the benefits go to developers.

humblebundle.com/store/borderlands-2-game-of-the-year

OH NO NO

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>>Humblebundle.com
>Gives you a Steam key

Oh look, Epic does that too, now quit your bitching faggot.

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Epic drones, riddle me this:

DISREGARDING GAME EXCLUSIVITY, WHAT IS THERE IN THE EPIC STORE THAT IS BETTER THAN IN OTHER STORES? WHAT IS THERE THAT TELLS ME I SHOULD USE EPIC STORE AND NOT OTHERS?

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>a country where the middle class only really came into existence in a big way around 15 years ago, and has consistent raises to standard of living year on year is infatuated with the fact they can only a lot more stuff than they could a few years ago.

I am SHOCKED.

>responds to the low hanging fruit
>doesn't respond to the full list

Ok, but you're not purchasing it on Steam. I answered your question. If you don't even want to play it on Steam, ok. Very first place I looked had it. Look on Playstation Now.

Why should people have used Steam in 2004 besides game exclusivity?

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$10k is literally nothing. I make that in like 2 months. They live in america, no? That would last them a week.

Steam frontpage is the largest marketing space in the PC market currently.

For its first party titles. There's a difference between making your first party titles sold exclusively through you, and eating up third parties with exclusivity deals.

Epic giving minimum sales deals is a good thing for small projects. A lot of small game projects could be made better, more expediently and with a lot more security if that kind of contract was a thing that distribution platforms were more generous with.

>Still think it's a good argument when it's dismantled 10 years ago by now

Answer the question the other user gave you right now.

they shouldn't. it was cancer then and it's cancer now.

it's just that epic is chink stage 4 cancer while steam is a benign tumor.

>game exclusivity
>first party titles
that's not even remotely the same thing, also at that time there was steam and pretty much nothing else

>whataboutisms

but epic won't pay some 1ma indie shitters for their pre-alpha abandonware, are you insane?

>also at that time there was steam and pretty much nothing else

There were still games being released that you could just buy, put the disc (this is what we used to use to play games, zoom zoom) in your PC, install and play

He meant there were no other launchers, you sperg

>waiting for cheaper patched games with DLC bundled in
Looks like I'm staying with Steam

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... and what does that have to do with anything that's been posted?
>zoom zoom
i'm 35

No stupid, they're not funding the game itself. They're paying to make sure the game stays exclusive to one store AND to make up for not meeting whatever minimum sales numbers they expected.

>he doesn't remember direct2drive

that's like saying you aren't buying a game from the xbox marketplace when you buy a card with a key at gamestop.

You know games and studios have costs after a game is released, right? Especially if they have to patch the game

>Failed indie dev blaming steam for his failure
AHAHAHA

Yes, Valves games included. Even back then they weren't exclusively sold through Steam. Half-life, for example, was published by Sierra and sold through most major retailers.

>Get game on Epic thanks to underhanded Chink ethics
>Wait for exclusivity contract to end and go get game for sale on Steam
Now I don't feel bad sticking with Steam

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actually they stopped updating their games if you didn't register your key with steam.

Valve don't pay for it.

Which was great until Valve killed WON servers and forced you to play Counter Strike on Steam

Youngfag Steam drones literally don't know gaming history

You're not. You're buying it from Gamestop and downloading it through the XBox marketplace.

I don't understand what this dumb motherfucker's talking about what the fuck is this asshole's point? I bought my copy of Half-Life 2 at Best Buy. Was Steam even a storefront back then?

steam isn't a begnign tumor people are bitching about things that steam paved the road for. it's metastisized and well past any hope

Read what you wrote.
>play on Steam
You could still purchase it through other retailers.

you're buying a game from xbox marketplace using gamestop

Okay but you can now buy Epic Store games on Humble Bundle

Eh, it's more like buying a game code for a PS4 game on Amazon, then installing it. But that really doesn't matter, does it? You aren't giving Sony your money, you're giving Amazon your money, just the same as if you picked up a PS4 disk from Walmart.

Okay, so nobody answered my question in except for "yeah but steam in 2004". does that mean epic store has no redeeming qualities when you take out exclusivity?

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No, you're buying a game from Gamestop. Gamestop purchased the key from Microsoft at wholesale, and then sold that key to you.

Yes

>Outer Worlds will release on Steam 12 months after Epic Store
Post yfw it sells like shit and 12 months later Valve tells them to fuck off.

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Because people are voting for anti-capitalist, anti-free market, pro-monopolistic practices.

99% of people belong directly into the gas chamber.

how the fuck aren't you giving sony money? it isn't an unlicensed game fuck you for making me state this

I don't mean stuff like that, there's a good number of games that are pretty uncertain that are in between 1 man huge team projects. If it was a vaguely normal thing for a small lets say 10 man dev studio to be able to go "hey, we'll be exclusive to you for a year if you guarantee us a certain number of sales for that year" you could easily see more of those kinds of games.

After launch knowing you'll have a degree of financial security means you can plan patches, expansions, etc more safely. This is something that could, especially if other distributors took note and considered it, be nice for small-medium sized teams, and more niche titles.

Small devs often have to take contract work on the side to keep dev going, anything that can help mitigate that and let them actually focus on their game shouldn't be brushed off lightly.

Humble bundle is far from the only online Vidya store that exists user that's not including, origin and GOG.

Steam wasn't worthwhile until 6 years later when they first added user reviews... in 2010

In a years time, Epic will have more features than Steam did in the first 6 years of its life.

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You should have just said anti-chinese

you're not buying shit from gamestop aside from a key. your relationship with gamestop ends there and from then on you're valve's customer

Well, it has benefits for publishers. Not consumers. In fact, given the fact that Epic roots around in your files, it could be argued that if you discount exclusive titles, it's literally worse than steam in every way for consumers.

This.

okay so now it's "yeah but steam in 2010", am i understanding this right?

But it is what you want: Another retailer of video game sales

Oh, but for some reason, no matter what Epic does, it's not good enough

All those shitty sites offer is just a Steam key, what's the point of them anyway? Just use Humble

Valve doesn't tell people to fuck off, it's pure profit for them so long as the sales breach the double digits.

Steam starting up had nothing to do with exclusives. I always bought my games on disk so I could have a physical copy to install from due to shit download speeds. Eventually more and more retailers stopped carrying pc games in the states though and valve saw a huge opportunity. I think the last physical game I bought from pic related was Oblivion and Shivering Isles. I looked everywhere for shogun 2 when it came out and surprisingly the only place that had it by me was target, almost everyone else had stopped stocking PC games because MUH NEXT GEN ps3/360 era ruining gaming.

In short your post is bait or you're retarded

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>automatic updates
>integrated community features
>account security, never lose your games
>activate physical copies and third party keys for backup on steam

all things no digital stores had before, which made steam much more reliable and appealing than its competitors

Who is this smug chocolate fuckbunny?

Steam as an install or DRM client is different than buying a game through Steam. Just like how you can buy every PS4 game at retail stores yet only play them on your PS4. Stop reaching.

It's 2019. Steam has been around 15 years and Epic couldn't even launch with the same features.

Epic is more geared to the devoloper side while they expect the consumers to be cashcows dangling exclusivitey like car keys to a retard, thinking that it's all that matters. At least Valve tries to make communities on their platform.
This shit may work in China, but the rest of the world doesn't act so insectlike

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Steam and Battle.net were literally the only game in town for good patches for so long. It's hard to even truly remember how bad it was until as late as 2007 easily.

>>integrated community features

Literally wasn't available for several years - Steam used to have a standard forum that you had to register to separate from Steam

Its not fucking early 2000's anymore, and if epic has money to throw at cevs for exclusives, how about they release a competente launcher that at least can compare to its competitors?
No amount of "Steam did not have this X years ago" will counter the fact that the EGS is lazy, incomplete and anticonsumer

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>what's the point of them anyway
To compete with price and service, givin me the consumer a better deal?

I'm giving Wal-Mart money. Wal-Mart already purchased the keys from Sony, and are reselling them for whatever price they want, just like I would if it were a PS4 disk.

To give another example, I gave Amazon 18 bucks for Far Cry 4 two and a half years ago. I didn't pay Sony 18 bucks, as it was still going for over 30 on their PS Store. Amazon spent whatever they spent on the game, and resold it to me for 18 bucks. Did they make a profit? No clue. Not my issue. But I know for a fact that Amazon didn't turn around and give it to Sony. They already paid Sony for it before receiving the game.

>steam 2010 is better than Epic 2019
that's really setting the standard, user

I mean you're shifting from XBox to valve, but ignoring that... You are purchasing the game from Gamestop. As far as the question of "who did you purchase this from?" is concerned, the answer is Gamestop. Even in your description of the situation you admit "You purchase your game from Gamestop, your relationship ends there."

Unless you are defining the exchange of the key for the download of the game as a "purchase", thus seperating the key from the game. But even in this case, you didn't give Valve your money, you gave them your key.

Oh... kinda like... what Epic Store is doing to the Steam monopoly

Oops.

Epic is paying them lots of money to not do that. It's a very anti-consumer practice. Don't support it.

>This shit may work in China, but the rest of the world doesn't act so insectlike
i don't know user, i don't know

Epic has stated why they dont do reviews, and that wont change soon.

See:

not talking about the shitty forum. I mean the friends list and server browser. you could open the server browser and join your friends in CSS with zero hassle.

>Steam is the monopoly here
>Not Epic, the company removing your ability to choose

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>mvq i just convinced a friend to uninstall epic launcher

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If I purchased a code from Amazon (who in turn purchased the code from Sony), and I turned around and sold it on ebay because I decided I didn't want the game, how much money is that person giving Sony? If the answer is $0, than why is the answer NOT $0 when I purchased the code from Amazon?

Epic is competing with valve RIGHT NOW and they should've done all this BEFORE they decided to spawn their store. You don't wait over 6 fucking years then decide "OH LETS NOW PUT IN FEATURES THAT OTHER STORES ALREADY HAVE". Either come out swinging at every other online store from day 1 or you're not going to last long. This is why they keep paying up other devs and publishers to put their games only on their store because clearly the 12% cut didn't do shit to bring in devs to their storefront.

>t-they WILL patch it
Classic

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the press and fallout from them going exclusive helped ALOT

because it's bad for the developer

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Epic makes their deal the ONLY deal. There exists nothing better regardless of how shit it is. That's actually the monopoly here. One place to buy one game at one price.

Godspeed user

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>NOOOOOO I HAVE TO BUY A PS4 TO PLAY SPIDERMAN REEE

Reminder SONY didn't make Spider-Man, it's not their IP - they paid for exclusivity like Epic did

>Epic tries to act like the good guy while they balkanize the PC community
Fuck them. I'd rather give my data to Steam where they have the decency to complete the reacharound

>how much money is that person giving Sony?
i don't know what kind of side you're arguing for in this thread but what the hell is this argument about? if i buy a used honda off craigslist, do i suddenly have to send money to japan or something?

A console is not a store. You can still buy Spiderman (PS4) at most major retailers.

Based, fuck Epic and fuck Cucknite

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ps4 games are physical items that you own as a consumer. valve steam keys are a license agreement you enter with the lawyers at steam and you don't actually own anything. it's completely different. one is a physical product while the other is someone selling you a service agreement.

>But I can only buy those games at Steam
very few games are like this

That's the point I'm making. Purchasing a steam key off the humble bundle isn't giving Steam your money. They keys were already sold. If you buy a steam key somewhere besides steam, you aren't giving steam any of your money. You're giving the reseller your money.

You're making the same argument as that user. Follow the chain up, there's a retard saying Steam is a monopoly because if you buy a game from Gamestop you get a steam code. That is, buying from Gamestop is buying from Valve in their eyes.

if you buy a code off craigslist and then go to honda and they have you sign a contract in return for the code and then let you use a car under very specific circumstances then it might be a similar situation

Are you retarded? Epic is a STORE, not a game console you mongoloid. Spiderman isn't exclusive to the PS Store.

Microsoft isn't buying shit to publish right now and nu-Nintendo isn't an option, Epic store it's definetely not the same case as console exclusives at all.

The epic store appears to be doing fine.

Especially with it's intended crowd. You guys keep ignoring the fact epic are literally aiming their store more at people who don't currently use steam than people who do. 40% of people who use it have never had steam installed Epic intend to make it so that EGS is for them what steam is for our generation

Seconding this.
They want to keep forcing shit into EGS until their playerbases crack and decide they're willing to let EA have all their personal information in order to play their favorite game series again, so that they don't have to pay extra to put their game up in a decent online storefront.
It's not like all the perks Steam has for the consumer over EGS benefit the devs any.
If they can manage to get people to buy from some rundown cart in a dark alley that lets them keep a larger percentage of each sale by holding exclusives over their head, then what do they care what the consumer has to deal with before and after the fact?

>customers
Why would anyone care about customers?

Epic has a massively successful game, and boatloads of money from that and investors, who are willing to pay devs six (and in some cases seven) figure deals for exclusivity periods. Most so far have been one year. That one year is way way WAY past normal, "useful sale" age for a game, so if it sells past that point it's a bonus, not some number c runch they need to hit.
epic games launcher having fortnite is literally a game changer. Imagine is riot games started selling other games through their launcher. Just think about how fucking hard that would have rocked steam. About as hard as this is now. Not significantly, but enough that people are complaining one way or another when it's nothing but good news for them. Oh sorry, I mean, it's an absolute abhorrent mess, because they have to install 2 launcher clients if they want some games.

You can buy PS4 game keys and the argument doesn't change. Stop trying to move the goalposts

>the fact epic are literally aiming their store more at people who don't currently use steam
nah man, you're just making shit up

>Epic intend to make it so that EGS is for them what steam is for our generation
I think this is a bit of a silly goal, isn't it? There's been dozens of Steam ripoffs, hell even fucking Blizzard has one. The only difference here is that this one has a bigger ad budget and the official backing of the CCP. EPG is quite literally nothing new. Every time something like this happens, Yea Forums spergs out, and then in a year everyone forgets it even existed.

A store claiming a Monopoly over its products is never good news. You're acting like EGS is competing with Steam for sales. It's not. It's competing for titles, and paying off the publishers so it doesn't have to compete for sales.

And one of them roots around in your files. Don't forget that part, as it's important.

I wasn't arguing about console titles though this is about the pc market and it would be an exclusive title

oh, okay then, carry on

>monopoly
it's not a monopoly, it's an exclusivity period.
If you don't like it, you don't buy it, and wait a year, and buy it then. A monopoly would be them saying "it'll never be on this platform, ever, also we're buying steam and shutting it down so we're your only option".

You're not too young to make such a rational observation. You're absolutely right, and this is primarily what people are fighting for. As of right now, consoles sell their games in multiple places. There's no similar situation to what we see on PC right now with storefront exclusivity. Game companies sell their games wherever they can on console, including retail which takes a far larger hit than what Steam claims. Yet they would never make a move to block all retail stores and force users to go digital only through their storefronts for 100% profit because they know it's too much of an inconvenience to console gamers and they'd lose more than they'd gain. That's the problem with the PC digital only situation right now. Valve created a huge market of customers willing to accept digital only game sales. That means retention is not guaranteed to their storefront as anyone can just download and install another etailer's client. Essentially these game companies know there's really nothing stopping them from fucking over those "retail stores" on PC and forcing everyone to go through their in-house one instead.

If PC gamers actually had the fucking morals and self control to not cave in and use these other storefronts in mass numbers, then this shit would never happen. Instead little Jimmy fuckhead doesn't give a fuck about protesting with his wallet and just sits there like the drooling retard he is and gets whatever account he needs to buy the latest shit game, just like all his friends and the other idiots who don't care about the cause. And that is exactly what these companies' penny pincher number crunches determined would happen. Yes there would be the few people who stick to their guns and never buy the games that get pulled off Steam etc, but the majority will and that more than makes up for the 30% cut they would lose. That's basically all there is to it.

This has fortnite on it. This will be a lot of people in the 11-14 age range's first store installer, and they'll not want to shift like you don't want to shift from steam.

All of them do.
Steam allows blatant malware on their store ALL the time. Origin collects the same exact data epic launcher does, so does uplay, so does fucking gog, so does every other launcher I can think of. discord abso-fucking-lutely does.

>"WHY CANT THEY SELL KFC TENDIES AT MCDONALDS?!?!! REEEEEEEEEE I WANT KFC TENDIES AT MCDONALDS TOO!"

consoles and pcs aren't equivalent. microsoft doesn't run the license server for all allowed windows software. that would be asinine. you're confusing retailers

>it's not a monopoly, it's an exclusivity period.
so during a year, you can buy this game in one place, and not anywhere else.
... which is what a monopoly is.

The PC is the console in this case. I already own the thing that can play the game. The store is holding it hostage as my ONLY option. No competing stores selling keys or other ways to obtain it.

>It's not a monopoly if you can get it on Steam a year later when everyone else already bought it on EGS
ok retard

What you are currently witnessing, zoomer man, is an aggessive marketing push by Epic.
All online stores are same shit, you can't win on merits alone. So Epic started shilling super hard and smearing Steam at the same time. Remember those game controversies with rape and chink horror? Yeah, that's it.

there is literally nothing stopping mcdonalds from making mctendies to compete with kfc

>Origin collects the same exact data epic launcher does, so does uplay, so does fucking gog, so does every other launcher I can think of. discord abso-fucking-lutely does.

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even if you buy a key from another store you have to go to steam's store to actually get the thing. think of the thing you're buying at the other store as a coupon for the steam store.

And people wonder why other's choose to get consoles. Sure, Xbone and PS4 probably collect as much data on you as they can, but if you're just using the consoles to purchase and play games, then they really aren't getting much at all, are they? Also, the stores do a better job of preventing malware, because I can't think of a time where malware was put on the PS Store.

Tim Sweeneys wife got fucked by Phil Spencer and Gaben that's why he wants to destroy them.

All of them have ways toconnect your steam account and scrape it for info.

The data is steam friends, that's what people "caught" epic collecting. The other clients collect this data too. Want the proof? Go fucking install one and see if you can import steam friends.

40% of Epic Games' shares are owned by Tencent.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games

One of the board of directors at Epic Games is a Tencent employee. Rumor is there's a second.
crunchbase.com/person/li-wenlei#section-overview

>Tencent dominance of the Chinese market comes from its control of content discovery, user acquisition and distribution
technology.ihs.com/604579/wegames-global-release-illustrates-tencents-strategic-ambition-in-games-distribution

Why is this important? Tim Sweeney went on record saying he "takes no orders from Tencent." This is a facetious lie. 40% ownership of a company puts Tencent in a position of power to completely liquidate their assets and bring Epic Games to its knees if they wanted to. Tencent also has complete control of video game distribution in the Chinese market, only playing second to the Chinese government itself. This means that for Epic to have its games released in the largest market on the planet, they must adhere to the demands of Tencent's directors that have been planted at the top of Epic.

Also, the owner of Steam Spy is Sergey Galyonkin, who is also Epic Games' Head of Publishing in Eastern Europe.
gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-01-14-sergey-galyonkin-epic-games-store-courting-new-younger-audience

Let's also not forget that the Epic Games Store has been caught scanning every facet of your PC, including Steam information. Pic related.
reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/

Tencent is no different from Huawei, a company backed by the Chinese government to dominate the western market it exists within, giving it complete and uncontested access to the private information of billions.

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Same with consoles. If you buy a PS4 game code, you gotta enter it in at the PS Store. Doesn't mean Sony is getting any money for that, though. They were already paid for the sale of the game code to the reseller, just like Sony got paid when they sold disks to the reseller.

But that's a false equivalency

That's literally not it at all, go take an economics class. Steam saw zero of MY money if I buy a key elsewhere.

okay so where is the proof?

>Go fucking install one and see if you can import steam friends.
>specifically request that this feature runs
>that means it's okay if they do it without your knowledge and send it god knows where
r u a rtrd

no one is arguing that console aren't walled gardens. steam has spent a decade trying to turn pc gaming into one

show me a contradiction

economics class???

Based and Xi pilled

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>send it god knows where
send it nowhere, because this complaining about epic doing this shit is because they're shitting all over the competition. EVERY.
CLIENT.
DOES.
THIS.
It's not fucking sent anywhere, it's scraped pre-emptively, which is illegal, but it's not sent anywhere. I'm not fucking defending them, i'm saying everyone does this shit, open your god damned eyes and start complaining about everyone, not just epic cause they're taking a fat shit on steam right now.

>EVERY.
>CLIENT.
>DOES.
>THIS.
SHOW ME THE FUCKING PROOF

>no one is arguing that console aren't walled gardens. steam has spent a decade trying to turn pc gaming into one

But neither are. I mean, if they stopped selling game codes and disks, only allowing you to purchase games through their very specific store, they would be. But the fact that you can go and purchase codes and/or disks elsewhere means they aren't walled in.

>But the fact that you can go and purchase codes and/or disks elsewhere means they aren't walled in.
that's not true at all

>The epic store appears to be doing fine.
So you have figures?
Let's hear them!

>There are still people who defend EGS on this fucking site when all of this is known.

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LITERALLY INSTALL THEM YOU STUPID FUCK
THEY ALL DO IT. YOU WANT PROOF, GET IT. GET IT BY INSTALLING THE CLIENT AND SEEING THAT EVEN IF YOU SAY NO TO THE STEAM FRIEND IMPORT, YOU'LL FIND SIMILAR FILES TO THE EPIC ONES. THEY ALWAYS SCRAPE IT.

>it's not a monopoly if it stops being a monopoly later on

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>LITERALLY INSTALL THEM YOU STUPID FUCK
no. you show me they do it. you said it, you prove it.

It’s called piracy

Sure it is. Apple's App store is a walled garden. You can either pay for the apps on the app store, or purchase cards from stores with real money, and worth exactly what you put on the card. You can't go and buy Plague Inc for iOS anywhere else. You have to buy it on their store, at the exact price they demand. This is not the case on the PS Store, and it's not the case on Steam.

So you could easily prove it.
Go on, then.

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I'll give you one. Amazon has a steam key for a new game, say Sekiro. I buy the key off Amazon. Steam got absolutely no money from me. Amazon are the ones who bought that key from Steam or even directly from the devs/publisher. This is how every single piece of media you buy in a store works, whether it be PS4 physical games or digital keys elsewhere. Hell even things like groceries work this way.
>Steam has been trying to make a monopoly
Then why can I buy from other retailers then? Steam is a DRM client that happens to have a good store

>300 posts
>86 posters

Jesus Christ.

evidence has been shown of epic reading steam registries and other user specific data, even some that not even steam gets sent wich is only local user data.
SHOW PROOF OR GO ASK XI FOR A RAISE

No because they mean different things you turbo brainlet.

>clearly a big fan of Mega Man gets to actually make a Mega Man game
I'm sure he's crying in his sleep.

Its a heated discussion, what about it?

not that guy but wait - that means that steam gets paid regardless. they still get a cut.

nuh uh I only gave amazon money steam didn't get anything

Devs on Steam can generate Steam keys (at no cost) to sell elsewhere. At least be informed about the topic you are arguing about Chang.

Sure, in the same way that if you buy a used game at GameStop, Sony and the developers still get paid. Someone bought those games in bulk and resold them. Buy picking up a used disk, you are still in effect giving Sony your money.

But really, how much of the money that you gave Game Stop wound up in Sony's pockets? Nothing. They got their cut when Game Stop bought them new. Even if the games/codes don't sell once gamestop buys them, it doesn't affect Sony in the least.

It's the same thing with Steam keys.

Steam gets nothing from Steam keys, you stupid slant.

But Steam getting paid has nothing to do with Steam being a monopoly. Hell some games you can buy directly via the devs with Steam activation. Theres no true way to tell who gets what cut. A lot of the time they're sold en masse to storefronts because Steam keys are free to create. The point is I'm not paying Steam. Amazon or whoever sets a price gets that money and if its better than Steam I can buy it there and Steam sees 0 dollars related to that better price.

okay, i looked it up and it seems you can just generate keys for resale elsewhere seemingly at no cost(unless i misread), it says so here:
partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys
so i stand corrected
>Chang
i'm a slav and i shit on epic store all the time, you daft cunt

>because they're shitting all over the competition
kek

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They're betting that the larger cut they'll receive from EGS compared to Steam will net them more money overall despite decreased sales.

yikes

>Monopoly is a control or advantage obtained by one entity over the commercial market in a specific area. Monopolization is an offense under federal anti trust law. The two elements of monopolization are (1) the power to fix prices and exclude competitors within the relevant market. (2) the willful acquisition or maintenance of that power as distinguished from growth or development as a consequence of a superior product, business acumen or historical accident.

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>steam in 2010 is comparable to epic in 2019
Kill yourself retard.

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Honestly I'm still waiting for someone to tell how steam qualifies for pic related.

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I love how Epic shills have completely avoided this post.

>6 months before it even stands up to Steam's knees
Why release the alpha version?

>You guys keep ignoring the fact epic are literally aiming their store more at people who don't currently use steam than people who do
>FUCK STEAM'S SALES CUT
>FUCK STEAM'S MONOPOLY
>FUCK STEAM'S USER REVIEWS
>FUCK STEAM'S PRO CONSUMER FEATURES
>STEAM
>STEAM
>STEAM
>lol they aren't aiming for steam's userbase

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Even worse, he said EGS in 2020 will be as good as Steam in 2010 lmao

I don't really think the concept of the paid shill and the useful idiot are one and the same. Perhaps they might espouse the same opinions but their beliefs and motivations are surely different.

People spouting that shit have no clue what the term actually means from a legal point of view, and thus are totally unequipped to formulate any meaningful argument on the topic.

>aiming at people who don’t use steam
>buying exclusives that were originally intended for steam for a year
>aiming at people who don’t use steam
You’re a fucking idiot.
Here’s your (you)

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why would anyone want that xbox retard controller

The 12% cut thing in particular is funny because epics ceo has already claimed its unsustainable. Expect that to start going up sometime.

why do they have to redesign the store
just design it once and be done with it

>why do they have to redesign the store

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i don't understand what you're trying to say to me

>have to wait over 6 months to implement a fucking cart
Jesus Christ, this is the storefront you Tencent shills are calling the Steam killer?

Switch and Origin don't have shopping cars either

origin does

And no sane person would call those Steam killers either.

>It's okay to suck at competing against steam because other stores do it

Again, if you have to pay devs and publishers to lock games to your store to even go anywhere instead to planning to have superior quality to steam before launching it then you fucked up. You have years of learning from other stores mistakes and you don't even bother to prevent the same issues for yours?

Customer is the person who pays for things
Consumer is the person who wants/uses them

Your mommy is the customer, and you are the consumer.

>Consumers are people or organizations that purchase products or services. The term also refers to hiring goods and services. They are humans or other economic entities that use a good or service. Furthermore, they do not sell on that item that they bought.

>They are the end users in the distribution chain of goods and services. In fact, sometimes the consumer might not be the buyer.

Care to produce your numbers for that?

So far all i've seen is that it sold 3x (or 3.5x, i forget) more than Last Light Redux. Not a fantastic metric to compare a full fledged sequel to a minor remaster of a pretty poor game.