How do I start playing these 2 in Ultimate? Any tech or combos I should familiarize myself with?
How do I start playing these 2 in Ultimate? Any tech or combos I should familiarize myself with?
Jackson Roberts
Landon Williams
the most important tech is putting your curser on literally any other character
Robert Morgan
>combos in Ultimate
Ebin. But they're mostly just fundamentals. No long combos or anything flashy. They're just so boring in Ultimate. Tier placing or ease of execution has nothing to do with fun factor, Ken and Ryu are just BORING as fuck to play as.
Ayden Cox
dair into shoryuken
cancelling most of the ends of combos with an extra hadouken or tatsumami for some extra damage
also it's just not worth it man. if you want combos and special character-specific tech, bayonetta has it without being complete trash. ryu and ken just have some actually reasonable hitboxes in this game full of trash hitboxes, and they dont do nearly as much damage as they should.
dededefag and retarded is the truest combo
ultimate has tons of combos, have fun being a 2mil gsp shitter
Elijah Campbell
dont be talking shit about based DDD mains if you arent ready to 1v1
Luke King
>Ultimate has tons of combos
Yeah, 2 hits and 3 hit combos with nothing requiring great execution. Even the top players don't do much combos and when they do, it's nothing impressive.
>GSP
Ah, it's a quickplay tryhard. You're never going to any tournaments, you'll never be in any grand finals. You're trying to come off as technical but you won't ever compete.
Xavier Richardson
for ken, A,A , 63214A, strong D-tilt into 236A is a pretty decent one that works on most characters
Jayden Rivera
Pick a different character.
They're not bad characters but good god did they fuck up on the inputs. I don't understand how they could have fucked them up so badly. I thought the auto-turn thing would help but Ryu feels WORSE in this than he does in Sm4sh. Is it the input latency? I don't know. I've always been able to consistently pull off shoryus and hados and tatsus no problem in SF. Smash?
Nah, Daddy Sakurai only hires the best programmers. Did you want to Tatsu into Shoryu back on stage? No problem! You'll just do a REVERSE HADO and fall to your death!
Oh, did you want to do some lights into a shoryu for your kill confirm? Don't worry, you'll throw out a heavy and knock them into safety! What's that? You want Heavy Shoryu? Take this light shoryu instead, it'll work much better! Oh, did you want to throw some Hadokens? Cool, hope you like doing a reverse tatsu into the corner of the stage instead, lol!
I don't understand how they could have fucked up the inputs so badly. They should have just removed the special button for them and made B into heavy attacks, A into light attacks, and shield+b into focus attack. Then...I guess refine whatever the fuck issue is causing reverse inputs randomly. Bayonetta has a similar issue with her downwards afterburner kick. It works most of the time but has the occasional hiccup where you'll just Witch Time (which should just be removed by this point, it has zero use now and is high risk low reward) in the air instead.
Cooper Nguyen
Also who the fuck thought it'd be good balance to allow only 1 Hado out at a time? Compared the the projectiles others in the game have, Hado is a fucking mosquito. It doesn't travel far, doesn't pack a punch, has a small hitbox, and doesn't do its job at creating spacing because of how gracious Smash is at movement options. Letting 2 out at once is the least they could have done and wouldn't be broken in the slightest.
Ethan Barnes
based as fuck
Sebastian Perez
A A Shoryuken is the best option for kills with Ken
They can have 150 and his smash attacks still wont fucking kill
David Torres
*AHEM*
How do you do fellow Smug God?
Ayden Morales
This is how all inputs feel to me desu, the games controls just feel muddy as fuck at times
Isaiah Foster
>I’m a Dedede and Pac main
>Fuckers like these make me want to drop the characters
Fuck you guys we’re not above anyone else
Jace Phillips
>implying I give a shit
I play an incredibly obnoxious character so why not act the part too? Being the villain is fun
Jayden Cox
Dedede isn’t annoying. you just pretend that he is cause you saw some shitters on Yea Forums complain about gordos
Mason Hughes
i'd def kick ur ass but im unironically on my way to a date rn, ill see you in an arena thread later
same 4 u faggot. square up later
i go to locals and dont give a shit about "grand finals" bc i play for fun, not results, also we have a bunch of boring olimars around here
also i dont give a shit about gsp but if u arent at least 4 mil u actually need to git gud
Oliver Morgan
>Dedede is obnoxious
Nigga if you wanna be obnoxious go play Ness, or Simon, or any swordie
Robert King
The buffer system really is fucking up the input for Ken and Ryu.
Sakurai is a fucking moron.
Justin Green
>same 4 u
I'm not on Yea Forums saying lies about Ultimate having tons of combos and pretending to be a pro. You are. Even though you'll never amount to anything in actual competition so all your "technical"ness is pointless. All you're gonna do for the rest of your life is laggy quickplay. Bragging about laggy quickplay is not impressive, you are nothing.
Jack Turner
Tbh at first I just roasted FE mains.
Then everyone started getting mad and giving me free (you)s
I didn't even have to insult anyone this time and I got free salt.
Dont take it personally user, we all have our shitty stereotypes to play out. Just like a waifufag must post lewds, or T./Y. Link mains must post shota, D3 and Pac-Man must be smug
Thomas Wilson
everyone always says they will kick my ass, but they never do, even when faggots here pick my hard counters like Villager, Palutena and Fox I still take those wins. When they arent ghosting like you anyway
Parker Martinez
Im a 4.25M Ken main and I love playing him. Most fun character to use in the game.
Hunter Collins
My god, there is some human cancer in this thread.
Jack Bell
Sorry my sarcasm and joking around kinda went over your guys heads
Mason Gonzalez
If you like D3 or Pac, use them. Dont let shitposters like us keep you from enjoying the game.
Benjamin Hughes
I wanted to play Ken, I love Ken.
Everyfight
>moved dont come out
>i get people to 200% and still have a hard time killing
>inputs suck ass
>facing the wrong way all the time, even when trying hard not to
>recovery is shit since it relies on an input that likes to not work, or youre facing the wrong way
And thats with no lag.
Gabriel Cox
Play the character you love. Don't listen to tier list fags.
David Morgan
The post was a joke, you guys are fine. I don’t care. Thought you guys would understand a stab at anons who constantly complain about you, considering you guys are such epic trolls
Ethan Reyes
It seemed more like a cry for help.
But alright.
Connor Nelson
>Tfw K Rool main
Feels good
Jeremiah Gomez
you can say that all you want but when I preform my fat marth tricks the entire match and camp on the ledge with my broken uair that kills you at 100% from that point if I angle it right you might just change your tune
Isaac Rogers
Ryder Morgan
>Gordo
>Cape
>Inhale
>Cape
>Hit you with my shitty no range moves that kill at 80 since you’re big as fuck
Nice knowin yah buddy
Connor Smith
Just play Street fighter instead. That how you get good with them.
Jacob Gonzalez
fpbp
Nicholas Cooper
tell that to LowTierGod
Isaiah Phillips
Smashfags that go to tournaments are more often then not, REALLY bad at anything that isn't smash brothers.
Lincoln Gomez
>using reflectors on gordos
real bad idea dude, gordos have a habit of going full retard when you use a reflector instead of just hitting them
Jordan Anderson
>LTG
>smashfag
Connor Cruz
falco main here
anyone have any idea on how to fight robs
getting around their edgeguards isnt giving me a problem but i cant seem to approach them in neutral, they play keepaway really well
Matthew Lewis
play Fox
Ian Evans
no
Parker James
There's a lot of good resources in the character discord. You can get the link on smashcords.
>Discord
Yeah, I know. I prefer wikis and proper forums but that's just how it is these days.
Other than that, things to know:
Their jump is very linear, unlike other characters, and their airspeed is rather low.
You can cancel Focus Attack by tapping a direction a couple of times while holding it. Get used to doing that. It's not a great move though.
Fastfalling with nair and using your double jump or Focus cancelling to adjust where you are in the air are important to your movement. As is simply walking around rather than dashing/running.
You can use both A (attack) and B (special) to do input moves. But honestly, don't worry too much about that - focus more on dtilt -> dtilt -> -> strong dtilt -> tatsu (side-b) or fireball and so on for now. Practice inputs, but converting a combo to any damage ender reliably is more important.
Noah Clark
I’ve had 0 problems using cape. I’ll probably eat my words eventually but for now I’m caping them
Julian Baker
It's not about tiers - it's about the characters having faults in their controls. If they controlled like they were supposed to, I could give a rat's ass if they were high or low tier. I fuckin mained Jiggs in Sm4sh. But the buffer system is fucking retarded and makes the shotos frustrating as all hell to play as.
Isaiah Rivera
>But the buffer system is fucking retarded and makes the shotos frustrating as all hell to play as.
Two things you can immediately do to work around the issue:
1) Hold the last analogue direction of an input special until it comes out. This will prevent snapback or general input fuckiness from overriding your previous special (because the damn stupid buffer doesn't care about what direction you had at the time of the button press, it cares about what it sees when it reaches the cancel window).
2) Return the c-stick to neutral before doing any inputs of a special move; the c-stick will absorb directional inputs any time it's not at neutral. (So better yet, just don't use the c-stick for strong down tilt cancelling).
Juan Walker
Its frustrating, I want to play Ken and Ryu they have so many mechanical issues
>inconsistent kill moves (Ryu less so)
>not facing the right way
>not being able to change the direction you face in the air
>inputs not coming out even with 15 years of street fighter and playing Ryu in smash 4
>when you need most to have a reliable recovery it doesn't input, or you're facing the wrong way
I like a few of their moves and I wish they weren't mechanically broken
Easton Cox
Most DDD mains online are fucking scrubs that can't even utilize the different gordo trajectories. Only DDD main I've ever respected is my brother because he actually knows how to use the character. Go back to making compilations where you beat wifishitters.
Angel Reyes
Play a real fighting game and they'll fit like a glove once you play them, I never played smash in my life but a good friend of mine really insisted on me playing it, as soon as I saw my man ryu I fucking got to work, If you want any tech just practice jab, jab, shoryu WITH THE INPUT that got me some easy stocks, and it also option selects into donkey kick for good punishment
David Parker
I hope your name isnt Jordan