>THEY'RE NERFING HER
>THEN THEYRE GONNA NERF ME
>OH MY GAWWWWWWW-
We are 1 day closer to 3.0.0, Yea Forums. What are your predictions for the upcoming patch?
Who's going to get nerfed?
Who's going to get buffed?
Will HRC be good?
Will I ever stop posting Pac-man?
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I have a feeling Pac-Man might actually get nerfed. His damage rack up is really strong.
Hopefully they increase knockback on some aerials/B-Throw to compensate
I disagree. Pac-Man will be unchanged.
Who here most likely gonna be in the /wowitsfuckingnothing/ side?
I fully expect nothing even though plant needs some small buffs.
K Rool will continue to be trash so I don't care.
I hope they nerf Ike, though.
>ivysaur will get the weedwacker
Soon
hey pac-fags
you suck
wait, but i thought the 3.0.0 is gonna come out in april?
In all seriousness I’m hoping they change arenas to not being annoying as fuck. I’d like to be able to change characters, stages, songs in lobby without being booted to the back.
Used to it from Tr4sh
Hopefully, that fucker is peak unga bunga with online latency
Can they fix his fucking up air?
>needing more than 1 lobby track
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I really hope little Mac and Isabelle get buffed
I hope she stays in the trash where she belongs
Marth.
Something like we made the tip hitbox 5% bigger :)
God just give him jab to tipped fsmash back
>increase Pac-Mans running speed
>give Kirby some fuckin air speed
also question what if they added new alts in the updates
Ever meet those players that you just can't land a hit on? Seems like they got their shield up or spot dodge on before they stick their landing or in the middle of get up animations and such. Gets me frustrated to all hell, but somewhere deep down in my heart I hope I am improving by fighting them.
Here lies Scout: He ran fast and died a FE Main
>Roy
probably nothing is going to happen
>people keep posting balance suggestions based off of tournament results, nerf pichu/wolf etc
REMINDER THAT SMASH ULTIMATE IS BALANCED AROUND ELITE SMASH, NOT TOURNAMENTS
REMINDER THAT SMASH ULTIMATE IS BALANCED AROUND ELITE SMASH, NOT TOURNAMENTS
YOUR HEAVY/PROJECTILE CHARACTER WILL NEVER BE BUFFED
I think we all know who's gonna get a buff in 3.0
>not reading their every roll and aggressive shield
>not completely mind breaking them by calling inward rolls with a smash
The could let him do 60 damage per jab and nobody could win with him.
Nahh, what we need is quicker/more reliable kill options. After a while fishing for Bell gets easy af to predict.
Maybe B-Throw or N-Air killing at 140+ easily
If anything, Marth is about to get nerfed because of fucking Lucina. Chrom might get hit as well because of Roy.
I'm praying they change Ridley's UpB, because having limited angles is some fucking bullshit.
I want this outfit for Peach.
The fewer angles are a fair comprimise IMO. I just wish it had super armor on the charge portion or a quicker charge up time.
Greetings please buff sheik a tiny bit
I love Link!
I dont think Chrom and Roy need any nerfs t b h
>imfuckingplying he's not getting nerfed
you mean nobody would be able to win against him. The memes against him are too strong and everyone just assumes that he is way worse than he actually is
I honestly don't think Roy's Side B should be killing at 70 near the ledge, at least.
>saw a 4.25mil GSP Zelda in spectate
>all they did was press the neutral special literally every time they did anything
>they managed to lose to a garbage kirby by getting sucked and cucked literally every stock
no nerfs for ike unless they fix his offstage game/buffs ither stuff. Hyper offense is what keeps him relevant and he’s already fading outta Top 8’s.
Buff Ryu for fuck’s sake
a good nerf for ike would be for him to be much more heavier when he attempts to side b back on stage
not at all, his recovery is already ass and side b is unreliable when far enough away to the point where it would change nothing
How the fuck did he manage to go to 4.25mil then
my dude, if you can't side b back to the stage with Ike, then you should have died but barely got saved by DI. His side b propels him fucking farther than a squirrel getting launched by a catapult
because neutral special is fucking broken, when kirby decided to not try to contest the shine at all his strategy fell apart and he reverted to chimpanzee FE mode which didnt work since he was playing a shit character like Zelda
>FFAs
>spamming all specials and smashes
>lag makes her almost unpublishable
I mean, it's not as hard as you would think.
i just want her to be good, whats wrong with that?
Yeah but some guys can stop you trying to sweetspot the ledge, and if you land onstage you can get punished. I do it to other ikes a lot
JUST GIVE ME JOKERS MOVESET
WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GETTING JOKERS MOVESET
Sakurai better not lay a finger on Samus
its crazy how completely nonfunctional Isabelle is
Enjoy your bullshit while you can
>replaces Picking Samus voice line to Melee's picking Samus voice line
I miss how it sounded like the announcer was saying HUMMUS HUMMUS HUMMUS
He can not jump. I can literally kill him with 2 fairs
Because there will be another 50+ "ISABELLE IS OP XD" or "FISHING ROD XD" Compilations on Reddit
why are you on reddit faggot?
Literally all he needs is a better recovery and he'll at least be middling.
He doesn't even need an air game, he just needs a way to get back on stage.
>Ken
Probably fucking nothing.
a decent little mac should have been able to counter them. Its fucking retarded that he cannot side b again when recovering if he already did it once. Nearly every other character can side b again like ryu etc.
Idk. Sometimes I need a break from posting in the 50 lewd and shill threads and actually want to talk about video games.
thanks for being part of the cancer that killed Yea Forums
based
what is purple thing and red thing?
my man
sweet and sour spots
Will he no longer be bottom tier? Is it also true all his attacks are unsafe on shield?
Give build mode
Add old assist trophies
Break the targets
Home run contest
Revert to character select before stage pick and remove that stupid ready banner that covers the entire cast
Add descriptions to stickers
Sorry. I'll stop posting in Sekiro and Melon titty threads.
one of the many buff ideas for Mac is letting him use his KO meter similar to how Cloud is when he is at full limit and Up B. Another idea is just to give him less gravity when he charges his B in the air. Seriously holy fuck, his gravity when he is charging his B in the air is one of highest in the game, if not the highest.
His attacks should be able to do more damage on shields. Hell, his attacks should do more damage in general. He should have gotten Ganon level smash attacks
>unpublishable
>Is it also true all his attacks are unsafe on shield
my journey to elite says that is bullshit but it could very well be that everyone I played is an idiot
I think if he got his smash 4 recovery back he would not be so bad.
And ya I was surprised at the lack of umph from his attacks here. Despite supposedly being buffed from 4.
Dtilt and ftilt are apparently busted?
online everything becomes way safer.
Pretty sure that if you don't space shit like a god you are unsafe on shield with everything.
That's correct. The only move Mac has that's safe is a well spaced Down Tilt, which just so happens to have been nerfed to such an extent that if you space it to be safe, you can't even true combo the likes of Side B or buffered Dash Attack out of it.
Rework priority on every single fucking character so that the person who attacks first hits
On an unrelated note, REMOVE THE RATS
I like Isabelle and Villager but the way you're "supposed" to play them is so unbearably unfun.
the rats are so fucking dumb, why can Pichachu kill a super heavy from center stage with a dash attack at 140%?
Given the silence, maybe a free echo d
Fighter or fighters pass 2, the echo addition being announced.
one of the only mac combos in this game is him doing short hopping aerial attacks
its not fair
Trying to into meta knight but these hitboxes make me want to kill myself
MAKE RIDLEY HEAVIER
HE IS COMBO FOOD BECAUSE HE'S TOO BIG
What's wrong with it aside from going into freefall for some reason?
he has to wait like 5 years before doing another move
>Mr. L
>Dry Bowser
>Anime Falcon
>Egyptian Rool
>Egyptian rool
lets keep that in the past please but god damn would i play the fuck outta bowser if he had a dry bowser alt
I like Egyptian shit so it works for me.
Read the rolls and smash or grab their ass
>spoiler
mfw
>get the b-air spike as K.Rool
>crouch dab
>opponent SD's
It's too easy
Noice
>practicing for a full 5 minutes to do consistent quick turn around dabs between stocks
Post your Pipedreams changes
>Holy Water can be arced in 3 directions.
>Holy Water gets a command to hold it like an item.
>Using Holy Water while holding an item throws both the bottle and the item at the same direction, like Diddy’s Down Special.
>Simon and Richter get bigger gameplay differences
>Gordo now has 6 angles it can be thrown at instead of 3
i really thought they were gonna be like a lucina/marth differences where the edge of the whip does more damage for one character.
>make Belmont spam even more cancerous
'no'
>getting beafed by projectiles that have full seconds worth of endlag
stop playing Ganondorf faggot
>He should have gotten Ganon level smash attacks
He has Ganon level smash attacks, he just doesn't have the range.
April
This, all her Smash attacks are a fucking joke
>Revert to character select before stage pick and remove that stupid ready banner that covers the entire cast
Why? Knowing what stage you're going to play on lets you pick a better character for it.
Belmont with a whip that does even damage would be retarded OP, much like how Lucina is braindead. Belmonts are supposed to be strong at range, weak up close, and even damage creates a character that has the range to zone and spam and keep people out for free, but can still get in your face and deal a ton of damage while still outranging brawlers who don't have disjoints.
The last thing Ultimate needs is more characters like Lucina, she's the absolute least fun to fight in this game.
>Pacman gets his moveset reworked to have shit from the pacman world games in the next smash, like the rev roll and butt bounce
What makes Lucina better than Marth in Ultimate when it was universally the other way around in Sm4sh?
I wish deep breathing and sun salutation would heal more considering the lengthy charge time. Also let me spam volleyballs a little faster.
I guess thats true
I still hate that banner tho
Ken and Ryu
Remaster Pac-Man World you utter cowards at namco
Marth's tip sweet spot is microscopic so 95% of the time, you'd be doing more damage as Lucina. Theoretically if you were at input-reading level of skill, Marth would be be superior, but that just isn't going to happen in practical play.
That shit is huge
Holy Water is pathetic.
The aerial Arc is shitty in the air and the grounded one is shit on the ground.
>Hit someone with the bottle midair
>Bottle doesn’t break unless it gets attacked
% chance of opponent grabbing the bottle instead of breaking it with an attack.
>Opponent runs towards you
>Throw Holy Water
>Opponent Dash Attack grabs it.
>Throw Holy Water
>Opponent’s Shield reflects it for whatever reason.
>Holy Water lands for real this time.
>Opponent already waggled out.
Zelda specials get nerfed
FIX MY DRAGON SAKURAI
I rather have Octos as their own characters who uses only weapons on everything like how Inklings should have been.
Truth alert
>get beat once
>very close fight
>immediately leave
i hate these guys so fucking much
That's the best outcome but I'd be happy if they were echoes too.
>Get's a fourth jump
>Made heavier, just above Bowser's weight
>Skewer breaks shields
>Tapping neutral special throws out a quick fireball with a lot less startup, fully charged neutral special remains the same
>Up special startup now has super armor
>Side special has less endlag
Done.
Almost, but some of the "leave as is" crew could need buffs too.
Maybe really needed to take a shit
Swap the Belmonts with Ike and this is objective fact.
I want Octos too but unless they're gonna be a full blown DLC character an Echo is the only way they can make it into Smash Ultimate.
A full blown Octoling with S2 weapons such as the Brella, Dualies, ect would be a perfect newcomer, complete with the classic Octo Amazon skin as an alt.
Octos are getting in Smash, it really is just a matter of when.
Ridley only needs minor tweaks, you just made him retarded broken.
>nerf
>Shulk
>nerf Belmonts
for what purpose
Bowser jr
>buff Rosa, sheik, incineroar, jiggs
>nerf snake, Richter, and Shulk
>dont change Wario(nerf)
Lmao, go take a shower
>Buff, Nerf or Nothing
>No buffing and nerfing at the same time tier.
>No nerfs with a lot of buffs tier.
>No buffs with a lot of nerfs tier.
>No LET KIRBY SPIT ANYTHING HE SWALLOWS BECAUSE I DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DEDEDE SNOWFLAKE REFLECT tier
super armor f tilt buff
>gets his old grab and Cyclone back
They wouldn't nerf Pac Man, right? He's high I as fuck and you can't just pick him up and win. Wasn't his new Utilt enough of a nerf?
everyone in quickplay plays like a massive faggot so I dont ever rematch. No I am not going to give you a runback on the fucking campy Snake V Jiggs matchup you faggot
>ike
>leave as is
not even a huge nerf to everything
just make his nair a bit more fun to fight against is all.
>cloud
he needs a buff he's really bad
>dorf
personally I want picking him to print out a diagnosis of brain damage but hey I guess he can stay
>nerf belmonts
why??
The only things suggested that might actually be broken in the long run is fourth jump and up special armor. Side special is so obviously telegraphed, there's no reason for a whiff to leave you sitting there for as long as it does
The neutral special change would allow for far better mix ups, and skewer breaking shields would still require proper spacing and timing, it just makes the move slightly less useless than it already is.
Wait, when is the patch?
Wolf isn't going to get nerfed. In fact, he's going to get buffed because every Wolf player in Elite keeps SDing with Side B lmao.
Guys what the fuck I’ve literally been in smash threads with these exact same 4 posts in a row before
how's it going, fellow lad? sakurai trying to nerf us, huh?
>You can now act out of side special, thereby removing one of Wolf's only actual weaknesses which is his shit recovery
I haven't been in a Smash thread for a while though
>mr. L
>on non-paper luigi
No thanks
i exclusively play battle arenas because of these faggots but they still do it
wario gets a fuck ton of attacks based off the wario land series
Ike's nair really isn't that bad. It'd be broken on Chrom or any other fast sword fighter, but on Ike it's fine as is.
Sure, you could add some endlag or something but that'd probably just make it useless.
I literally just made that tier list user
in fact, why the fuck did they pick her over tom nook?
I could see it. His damage is off the charts.
Logically the lack of kill moves balances it out, but nerfing damage numbers wouldnt be entirely a shock to me.
Personally I want more kill moves so it isnt an obvious Bell Fish fest after 80%.
New uptilt is a semi nerf. On one hand you cant cover as much horizontal distance, but on the other hand you can poke up to most platforms now.
How hard is it to add the Prime 2/3 Varia Suit in a patch Sakurai. Give Samus a decent alt that doesn't remind people of the most embarassing Metroid game
>nerfing olimar
Nigga he’s fine.
I don't think there's a less fun character to fight than Snake.
>dash attack goes through you just enough to not make it punishable
>throw off stage -> nikita for coin toss on whether you live or not
>grenades fucking everywhere
it all looks cool but there's nothing fun about playing against it
Xd female rep
No, probably had some jap polls over there on their favorite Animal Crossing Character. Isabelle probably placed consistently high
Add ivysaur to the “fix broken hitboxes”
People say this about literally any character whose meta revolves around projectiles. Do people just inherently hate the zoner archetype
Little mac bros is this the day? I hope the best for us, also for our comrades pac-chads
>play in an arena
>FFA 8 min. 3 Stock
>Palutena's fucking Temple
>me and a guy are fighting while the other two camp
>run whenever we try and fight them
>Pocketing gordos
just slingshot those bitches. DDDfags get hit by them every time
April
Zoners are just inherently not fun to play against.
People just do not enjoy playing against people who know how to keep you out. If they can't rush in and mash buttons to win, it's "too hard" for them. Zoners are fine, people just can't adjust to them.
Gimme MnL Luigi then
Why is she so gorgeous
Why is she not playable?
>lives till 250%
>uses his multiple jumps and good recovery to avoid all your off stage pla
>kills you at 100% with a random fastfall bair
>try to play a FFA in arenas because quickplay is aids
>all of the open ones are taunt parties
He already does considering how you can tilt or smash the toss
Here, I fixed your shit
>Voice Chat only
>taunt parties
>only allowed to use one character
The last one was fine when it was all Ganon.
>decide to try a new character for once
>lose five times in a row to people of equal GSP
>finally win a match
>hey, maybe I'm starting to get good at thi-
>opponent GSP: 83,463
>mii gunner in nerf
>needing Lucas and Krool nerfed despite being contenders for worst character
>nerf K.Rool
>nerf Yoshi
>nerf Mii fucking Gunner
Opinion discarded into the sun.
Lucas PK Freeze should have a higher knockback angle, but he also needs better combos.
K Rool has some shit like the constant priority spam on everything, but he would become shit without some of those
did some 3.0 news just happen? i'm out of the loop
April is in about a week, user
Contain your autism
Bad. Sorry buddy. I'll make one and show you how it's done.
>get into elite smash
>first match is against a really good snake that had mastered all of the tech
>he easily would have won if the matchup wasnt heavily against him
>his GSP was 3.5mil
thats why I dont take any of this GSP shit seriously, I can win 4 matches in a row with Duck Hunt despite never playing him and get 4.26mil but I have a 4.1mil on my main since I used quickplay to train him and now my GSP growths are permanently low
I keep seeing fuckers cancel bonus fruit instantly (psyching out opponents and shit). How do I do it?
I assume its charge cancel? Hold shield before pressing it and it should not come out. You can do similar things with diddy gun and rob gyro
>Ridley
>nerf a little
>no "Rebalance" category
shit list desu
I just want you to know that I share many of the same interests as you and I'm actually super impressed with the way you come into every single smash patch thread and every metroid thread and post the same set of retarded buffs without missing a single one.
Decent list overall, a few weird spots but mostly agreeable.
I'm still trying to figure out how people have GSPs that low.
I really hope they fix Olimar's smashes and parries. It's been too fucking long.
As promised.
Had to put my bias away for this one.
>Join arena
>Wait ten minutes for my turn
>"The room has been disbanded"
>Join another arena
>Wait ten minutes for my turn
>Great Cave Offensive
>Leave and join another arena
>Wait ten minutes for my turn
>Get a laggy as fuck match
>Leave arena and go back to quick play
for 1v1s its better to host your own arena rather than wait for others. setting it to 2 occupants only is the superior way to play online
Charge Canceling? You either hold shield or jump right before you land. Here's a video going into more detail youtu.be
>join arena
>having fun FFAs
>one guy leaves
>a wild beaner joins
I think you have me confused with someone else
Ah, before. I was trying to do it immediately after. Thanks man.
>>Get's a fourth jump
Absolutely not.
>>Made heavier, just above Bowser's weight
Really wouldn't change much
>>Skewer breaks shields
Literally why?
>>Tapping neutral special throws out a quick fireball with a lot less startup, fully charged neutral special remains the same
Other charge specials don't work like this, Ridley shouldn't be an exception
>>Up special startup now has super armor
You must be retarded
>>Side special has less endlag
And encourage spamming? No thanks
Why is it ok for DDD to have 5 jumps but Ridley cant have 4?
It would help if he was heavier. He's just fat and has none of the advantages of being a fat fuck.
>join arena
>body everyone
>"The room has been disbanded"
>they won't fix the broken online or input buffer
>nintens0ys will continue to eat Nintendo's shit regardless
Dedede's ganoncide is significantly less effective and harder to pull off.
>join arena
>beat everyone in the arena
>move to the spectator slot and deny everyone their rematches
I think we can all agree
Ganoncide is literally only worth using on characters with abysmal recovery like Ike or Ridley since you can mash out of it super fast during any of the situations it would be viable
I just want Isabelle buffed.
Nobody needs to be nerfed right now.
>We are 1 day closer to 3.0.0, Yea Forums
[citation needed]
>not maining a character that you know won't be fucking touched by patches absolutely at all like last game
No, Buff Isabelle and Nerf everyone else
My hot take
>tfw Misfire will never be as stupid fun as it is in Melee
Ganoncide is worth using on any character with less vertical recovery than Ridley, since he can release the victim at a height where he can recover and they can't. Even against characters that can recovery it's possible to catch them with the Up B on the way back. Giving Ridley even more vertical recovery consequently increases the number of characters who can't get back to stage when he can, and there are plenty of those already.
Time moves forward and not backwards.
>Making Ridley's weight match his size wouldn't change much
>Giving Ridley a marginally better recovery is apparently really bad
The weird thing is that the odds haven't even changed that much: 12.5% to 10%, but I feel like in Melee that's closer to 20% almost while in Ultimate it's barely like 5%.
Maybe Ridley would be heavier if he wasn’t an anorexic rat
>I'd rather have these characters reworked
Yeah we'd all like a lot of things user
Nerf ivysaur
Ivysaur's dair is perfectly fine, stop making it easy for them
Increasing some of his knockback could very well nerf him all on its on. Low knockback isn't always a bad thing because it opens up for combos, which is where a good amount of Pac's damage rack-ups come from. Increase knockback too much on certain moves and it kills his damage rack-up because it makes it harder/impossible for him to make the same follow-ups.
>pacman not in rework when we could have stuff from pacman world like how I said earlier in
>neefing ROB
For what purpose?
Are you on drugs?
Shut up ZeRo
Bes one.
Ridley is actually massive though. What did you mean by this
What a terrible and wrong list.
Pichu is in small nerfs because lightning loops and you really shouldn't have to mash out of roller as much as you do.
How different would Smash play if multi-hit attacks were all replaced with single-hit attacks that did the same amount of damage?
Don't change the subject, shitter. Shake up your recoveries and you won't get spiked, it's not hard.
Best one
he should not be able to 2 frame while standing at the punish point for rollins, its fucking dumb
Captain Zack and Ally were both fag lovers, according to massive faggot Mistake on Twitter. Good to know I was right about all of Smash 4's Bayobois being gay
Doc really needs a speed or recovery buff
Nigga have you seen it? It’s hitbox is WAY off.
The only tiny thing that needs to be nerfed is Pichus f tilt
>tfw dedede main
>tfw i'm just praying for no nerfs
At the very least, if you're gonna nerf him, at least make it so his hammer changes with his alts.
Git gud
Spotdodging becomes significantly stronger than it already is.
This is a good list.
>3.0 sees every character get buffs
>DDD gets nerfed again
just let kirby spit out anything as stars sakurai you fuck i shouldn't be incentivized to suck less as kirby because of the useless healing property that leaves him wide open
My ideal kirby would have him inherit all of the specials of the opponent he consumes but I doubt they would put in the effort to make that work for a cast of 70+ characters
What if his side-B goes back to the Brawl version
Why would DDD of all characters be at risk of getting nerfed?
Smash 4 had him nerfed almost every patch and the first major patch from Ultimate nerfed him too albeit a tiny one
I would actually love that. Gordos are boring. Imagine if Bandanna Waddle Dee could show up with it
Noobstomper character. If they do keep their interest in Elite Smash winrates and such things, it could be that characters like Dedede could get slaughtered if they somehow manage to have a high winrate.
im balanced
but please buff me anyway
He can get a lot of cheesy wins online which is what they're balancing the game off
>Gordos are boring
brainlet detected, using 3 jumps to create massive aerial denial spaces is too good to give up
The thing is, you have to do a lot to make Kirby viable again. More air speed, more damage, more range, move ground speed, and even then I don't think he'll be super good.
>whiffs every attack because of Melee Roy-tier hitboxes
What if you could control the result of the Side-B instead of it being RNG like brawl?
Holding up gives Waddle Doo, which are good for edgeguards. Default gives Gordo, forward gives Waddle Dee.
He needs a new set of specials. Kirby's mobility specs makes sense with the games he's from, but his specials could be changed. Smash Crusade had changed his UpB from Hyper Cutter to the Uppercut from the Fighting ability: It was like, a fast UpB that dealt 19% and killed, like Ken's sort of. It was already much better.
Wolf, Pichu and Palutena ALL need heavy nerfs.
Kirby, Dr. Mario, and Little Mac ALL need heavy buffs.
Give the Plant a few buffs AND nerfs
Agreed?
up would need to be the gordo since the slow one is the most useful one.
>Plant
>nerfs
Nerf what, exactly?
Reminder that Dedede NEVER wins and by the end of this game Kirby WILL be higher tier than your gay fucking penguin
DDD may fall in the tiers but I will still be able to beat you with him no matter the nerfs, I already suffered through that hell with Fishbunjin so nothing can break me
Reminder that Kirby will never be a good Smash character because Sakurai is scared of his own bias
I thought Sakurai wasn't in charge of balancing this one.
Did you post this in the right thread, doc?
A massive pile of skin with thin ass bones and not fat
is there any news on the next DLC fighters?
if not, who do you hope it will be?
I wish Kirby can use projectiles, or maybe items, to copy abilities from like in the fucking games.
>is there any news on the next DLC fighters?
No.
>who do you hope it will be?
There is only one viable choice.
Based retard. Your play ivy don’t you?
Why are you using actual logic for video game characters? He’s a gigantic space pterodactyl
Sorry, I can't hear you over
*reflects your first gordo*
the sound of me
*reflects your second*
winning
*juggles you with up tilts*
Ask Sakurai. He’s the one who keeps neefing him.
if the last guy from here couldn't do it I doubt you could
funny enough i think every character is in elite smash. i guess it goes to show all people may need to do is git gud with a character you like
Elite smash really isnt a good metric for viability since you still have plenty of shitters in that 2% of that top 3%
I miss my walking hitbox
good point actually i just thought that over
jab fsmash was unga bunga
>nerfing K. Rool
He already fucking sucks, what are you talking about?
the average Yea Forumsirgin probably still gets sandbagged by Krool spammers on BF
old cyclone was cancer
Nerf Palutena, that’s the most unga bunga character I’ve faced holy shit
Still want it back
>dedede main
>manage to get a pretty good ness to rematch me despite my stupid as fuck ruleset
>spend like 20-30 matches just alternating between his battlefield-3stock-noitems and my dumbass 3stock-allstages-allitems nonsense
>finally get good enough and learn the match up to start taking rounds off him, mutual teabagging ensues as we realize that we both started improving
>take a small break
>come back
>get another ness
>beat the living shit out of him since he was doing the basic ness unga bunga pk fire grab shit that the first ness was doing at the start until i managed to adapt
>he ragequits midway through a three stocking
Anyone else know this sort of feel?
I ended up playing a really good ness from here with my DDD and learned that Ness cant win against DDD on FD, being able to just stop him from ever using PK thunder against you makes it pretty brutal for him since you have the bigger disjoints. Also dash attack avoids both his PK fire and his grab
Kek
Make his down throw burry
Nerf Stinkling
please god, give snake new taunts
Literal children. The other path is playing FFA with items on with a slow character.
and make taunts usable online
I'm the only good pacman player in the world
Nerf Ink a little. that's it really
Post autistic nitpicks you wish they would fix.
>Dedede's Hammer doesn't change with his alts
>Link can now blow up bomb while it's in someone's hands
>First hit of fair does more knockback if the second slash doesn't go through
But this is pipedream of making Link broken.
Wait is Samurai dropping 3.0 now?
What are you doing on Yea Forums, Sinji?
>post yfw you're playing Quick Match and a smash ball spawns in
Just remove it from the game
Buffing NAir and B Throw knockback would be perfect though.
Only F-Air and U-Air set up combos.
>Luigi's L is purple on his Waluigi alt
Stay mad Rosterfag
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fuck pikachu
fuck jigglypuff
fuck pichu
fuck pokemon trainer
fuck lucario
fuck greninja
fuck incineroar
fuck my hitboxes
fuck small characters
and above all else, fuck niggers
I’m just glad these low is casuals can stop bitching about him so I can play him in peace
A little? You're out of your goddamn mind. The thing is broken.
>get matched with some faggot with smash balls on who was playing Peach
>end the match before any smash balls spawn
you arent getting your cheese wins faggot
>fag has Assist Trophies/Smash Balls/Pokeballs only
I'm ready for him.
>assign grab to C stick
>face right, tilt left
>doesn't turn and grab like one would expect
Hope some things happen to shake up the meta. I have slight biases though.
Not really. A more pressing issue would be Palutena's uair. If anything buff the smash attacks. Inkling is fine you shit
Forgot image. Please help Isabelle my god she sucks.
We need Pac-Buffs to have more kill options
>Meta Knight
>Buff Heavily
He's fine though.
He's like Sheik in that it's hard to kill with him.
Gotta edgeguard better
They're called smash attacks dummy
Pac Man more like Crack Man LOL
Where did the crack smoking meme come from?
I'm bias. I was going to put him in slightly but there's a lot of small things I want.
Slightly more range
Higher air speed
Faster start up on up b, like 2 frames
More damage and less endlag on fair
Cut down the endlag on nado and drill rush
Higher knockback on dsmash, nair, and usmash
My predictions are HRC, Stage Buider in a style similar to Brawl, and Joker. I don't pay attention to tiers so I don't know who would be buffed or nerfed.
Besides smash attacks and edgeguarding, his down b can kill from pretty reasonable percents if the MK player can aim it properly. At higher percents, Shuttle Loop is an option as well.
I'm probably the only person on this planet that thinks Little Mac's superarmor is cancerous as fuck and brain off gameplay even if this character is easy as fuck to gimp.
Like shit, you couldn't just give him a slightly more real recovery for slightly worse smash attacks? I don't think any boxer is fully immune to the pain of a blow after his fist has already swung past his opponent
>stage builder
with
>design your own spirit battles / events
AWWWW SHIT
Most people would agree that despite being bad, Mac is honestly pretty poorly designed when it comes to competitive play:
>Have to play to a level of aids well beyond the likes of slow character or heavies to play the matchup right
>Otherwise just stuffs your approaches really hard and wins most trades
I like playing Mac and the character's cool in paper but he's just so fucking aids.
just stop being bad
Without super armour he'd literally be worse than Brawl Ganondorf, even with a better recovery.
I just want something small for Robin.
Bad enough you can get fucked by the charges.
That makes more sense, thanks.
please just make wolf not freefall from side b i never fucking use that move out of fear of overshooting
>please make his instant teleport move that makes contesting him off stage almost impossible better
Learn the distance
>when you're character plays the game for you so much you complain when you have to use your brain
>Will HRC be good?
i feel like they wouldn't be holding off on putting it in if they aren't gonna do SOMETHING interesting or new with it
[Spoiler] Sandbag fights back [/spoiler]
You can't be this retarded.
As someone who plays the everloving shit out of Wolf, you're shitty as hell if you think he needs ANY buffs
Palutena is fine, her teleport and hit surfaces just take a lot of getting used to. One thing they could do is remove one tick from Exploding Light though, so the linger won't catch falling targets from out of place spots.
Buff Joker from not being in the game to being in the game.
I want them to add Master Hand mode to mob smash.
Palutena's Nair is complete cancer though. Same with her tilts
based for kirby though i have seen a video by Juggleboy (kirby main) that a buff may not be needed but idk
>miis
lol don't hate. i play all 3 and they are based
How is Stinkling "fine"? You think that broken dash is "fine"? You think bs moves like the roller is ok? You think a character that can easily hit like a heavy without any of the drawbacks is alright??? A character with the best recovery in game is okie dokie??? A character with excellent aeriels and a jab that inks is content??? Palutena has nothing on Stinkling in terms of a broken kit.
my friends use this stage and we call it Dodgeball where the objective is just to throw the enemies and you can't cross the pow block. Pretty fun
This is the worst fucking stage in the whole game, this needs to be fucking banned from quickplay RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
wrong
75m exists and instantly invalidates that claim.
God Brawl stages are so fucking bad
nobody lives to 300% on those maps, I would rather play them 100 times and a few pac-land matches than ever play SMB again in quickplay
That's not 75m.
Good, he's a fucking heavy for a reason; use your moves with preciseness
>preciseness
why is it so bad for Heavys to not be shit? the heavy weight thing already lets most characters get just as much damage off a single neutral win as they do
>Halberd
>Smashville
>Yoshi's Island
>Pirate Ship
>Lylat Cruise
>Wario Ware
>Castle Siege
>Frigate Orpheon
>Picto Chat
Brawl was the last smash game to have truly great new stages
>set preferred rules to no items
>still forced to fight Snakefags
don't worry kirby comrade. we progress and dominate
Meta Knight. I haven't fought a single Meta Knight since I bought the game. Most of his mains switched to other characters (MKLeo, Rags, etc). And believe me, we all know he isn't getting shit in 3.0.0.
I hate that tourneyfags want most of those stages banned too without even a hazards off test, if melee fags can play hazards on Pokemon stadium where fox can waveshine you for a full minute then slightly smaller stages like Siege and Wario or ones with small moving bits like Halberd or Orpheon should get a chance too
>Fire Mario is gone
>can't turn off tap smashes
FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD I JUST WANT C TO BE SMASHES ONLY AND STICK+A TO BE TILTS ONLY WHY ISN'T THIS AN OPTION
I've seen tourney matches on Wario Ware and Castle Siege a number of times so it's not like TOs aren't running them
>its an option in literally every smash inspired game ever made
>cant in Ultimate
They steal shit like auto l-cancel from smashclones but they wont do basic shit like that? I mean they even did the fucking inverse with c-stick tilts
The fact that some attacks turn you around if you're hit midair.
I don't care how long I play this game I will never fucking get used to this bullshit.
>tfw i actually really like hanenbow
I don't fucking get why everyone hates it. Hitting platforms changes the angle, it's not that hard to comprehend and it's not big enough to be a huge pain in the ass like 75m or scrolling like SMB either.
Plus, it's one of the few stages actually based on a lesser-known thing instead of a big dick franchise or an obligatory retro stage.
Umbra clock tower
New Donk City Hall
Mushroom Kingdom U
Midgar
Unova Pokemon League
Wuhu Island
Gamer
If I picked fox and you played Ganondorf or one of the 60 other characters that cant outrun fox then I could run away the entire match and you wouldnt be able to do jack shit. in local matches you can beat the shit out of me for doing it but in quickplay you bet your ass people are going to do whatever it takes to preserve their GSP
Nigger, I'm a fucking Dedede main. It's not that hard to juke people out on Hanenbow.
IDK about it being the worst, but hazardless Shadow Moses is pretty fucking awful. Either get rid of the walls entirely or at least for the top floor, you're fucked if you play a character that can't kill vertically.
I'm a fucking DDD main too faggot
I expect nothing but nerfs. I have seen nothing but whining over him even though he's easy to counterplay because people refuse to learn basic common sense and rely on gimmicks that don't work on him.
The learn how to work with the platforms you stupid fuck. Just hit them so you can shot a hitbox underneath them easily.
I can understand why people dislike it, but yeah I don't get the amount of sheer hate it receives. 75m and the scrolling stages are infinitely worse.
>tfw have 160 hours in this game and still consistently dash attack into shields like a retard
How do I drop this habit?I feel like I'd play so much better if I stopped being an overly aggressive unga bunga but even if I tell myself out loud not to dash attack constantly I end up doing it
AHEM
FUCK PICHU AND FUCK LUIGI
Play Fox so you can dash attack into shields and not get punished for it
This
>Can't breed Isabelle ingame.
>luigi
are you going to cry about Lucario and Ken as well?
WHATS THE FUCKING POINT OF SPECTATE IF YOU CANT BET COINS/SP ANYMORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>The top of alt Great Plateau Tower blocks a good portion of the default stage
>cant place bets on virtual cock fights anymore
Absolute horseshit.
Never even seen a Lucario or Ken
People need to learn to abuse the fact that his smash attacks have super armor and WILL break through whatever attack fags will throw at him
>implying
We like that costume though
I miss his old leaf shield. You had to earn that salt from people by mixing up how you used it, now it's just spin-to-win.
My biggest problem with the stage is how often it shows up. I feel like it get it at least once every ten matches. I used to get the Spirit Tracks stage a bunch too, but I haven't seen it in a while. Makes me wonder if they adjust the RNG any between patches.
I keep forgetting that this stage actually came back
Fags are banning these stages, as well as Unova and Yoshi's Island Melee because MKLeo and other dive fags wants to float under the stage
WOW, ITS ALMOST AS IF THE POINT IS TO SELECT IT AS A COUNTERPICK OR SOMETHING
Halberd needs to be legal, you literally only have the walk off for like 5-10 seconds
>My biggest problem with the stage is how often it shows up.
I feel like they rotate stage frequencies. For having 100+ stages, I feel like I always get the same ones. But it also seems like it changes to a new "set" every now and then. I don't have any proof, but I believe that.
ganondorf for example does 25% for an uncharged forward smash. he can kill a midweight like Link at if link is at 60% or above when he hits him.
there SHOULD be a downside to that. and his range already hits above him on the low platforms in battlefield, so that doesn't leave a lot of options does it?
That's enough time for Ridley to side-b you for a free kill.
it kills him first though
If you're at even stock it doesn't matter who dies first
No, you can let go of them around when you go off-screen and only they'll die.
>t. Pac-Main here
should I get online to play this?
THIS, Mushroomy Kingdom is hard to beat, and it's probably one of the few stages to somehow become even fucking worse through hazard toggle.
>implying 0% Ridley can carry you that far
Just stay in the fucking middle until it takes off, literally 5 seconds
hazards off only turns off the items right?
any stage where the main platform is pass-through is fucking garbage
this, kongo jungle, wuhu island and norfair among others are just awful to play on because of it
I wouldn't be surprised, but it seems like only a few stages get affected. They seem to think everybody wants to play on Skyworld all the time, which like and Shadow Moses, are just worse without hazards. The RNG should be different for hazards on and off.
It also makes all the blocks unbreakable, so people can tech stuff that would normally kill them.
How are the blast zones on that stage? I feel like the low ceiling in 4 at points did more against its chances than any of the hazards. Does this game still have blast zone issues on transforming stages, too? I liked Delfino in 4 but that shit was infuriating.
Skyloft hazards off is great, fuck you
The thing is all the stages were readjusted for ultimate including their blast zones
You know you can cancel the move right
What kind of game and watch player actually lands without using an attack, that's your fault
>yfw they nerf PK FIRE
Buff captain falcon please
but I am the DDD, from my perspective the G&W made the only move that would have worked to dodge both the gordo and my dash attack
You can't pass through wuhu's on top though, you can only jump onto it from below
That's why I'm asking if Halberd is better now. I haven't gotten to play on many transforming stages in this game but in 4 the blast zones would shrink to just barely outside the camera range during transitions. Did they get rid of that? I remember seeing footage of New Donk City before the game came out that made it look like it was still an issue (unless that stage just has stupid small blast zones in general).
wait are we thinking of the same charge cancel?
>youtu.be
at 2:31 is an example of what im talking about. he appears to take the fruit out but then puts it away instantly.
What the fuck is wrong with Magican't platforms
I always seem to go through accidently but never when i try on purpose
Why would they?
same reason they nerfed Krool
Free hit confirm on the most annoying character in the game. Nothing is more annoying than getting juggled with PK Thunder, or having PK Fire spammed at you while you're on the ledge. And the endlag is negligible, if you roll through it towards the Ness player they can have their fsmash ready before you can respond. And DI'ing out is predictable as fuck because you can only go up or back. If you had to neuter any of Ness's kit between PK Fire, PK Thunder and his fucking retarded backthrow, the most fair to take is PK Fire.
>Nerf Lucas
he needs buffs desu, PK Thunder and PK Freeze are his only good moves
He's worse than Ness in nearly every way besides recovery
I believe it's the same cancel. Try it out in practice mode right now
Half of those were virtually unplayable before ultimate.
Brawl's stages were great even with hazards.
>Hazard less great plateau keeps the top and makes it unbreakable
I wonder if we'll get more music ports and spirits outside of the mandatory DLC related ones.
I want Charge and Clash from Bowser Jr's Journey and more spirits
Gittuguddo
WHO THE FUCK DECIDED TO KEEP YOU LOCKED PERMENENTLY WHEN YOU GET LAUNCHED FACING BACKWARDS
DO THEY NOT REALIZE THERE ARE CHARACTERS WHOSE RECOVERIES WONT WORK IF THEY ARENT FACING THE LEDGE
eat a dick snake-fag