There is not one person here who discovered ash lake on their first playthrough, going in blind, not using any guides...

how did you discover it? I mean I know you hit the wall and all that but what led to you hitting the wall

I hit the chest to see if it was a mimic

I tried to hit the chest cause I thought it was a mimic but missed.

how did you know about mimics, Sen's fortress has the first mimic in the game and isn't until after ash lake

Not him but I hit the first chest thinking it might be a mimic and did the second as well just in case. The weapon hit the wall behind both times.

>He doesn't attack all treasure chests in ever game he plays just in case
It's like you want to be bamboozled

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...

>Dark Souls invented Mimics

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There's one by the bonfire half way through the swamp before you reach the tree.

I was backtracking through areas to make sure I hadn't missed things, I never even explored that half of the swamp until after I had the lordvessel

True, I found the secret room before ashlake, thought "Oh cool, a chest", got it, left.
Mate had to tell me to go back and check it again. That's the only reason I found it.

I never said it did retard, but if it was a truly blind playthrough every chest up to that point would have led you to believe that there wasn't such a thing as a mimic in the game

I thought mimics would exist before I ever found one.
Why? Because this game is famous for being absolute bullshit, and what's more bullshit than a mimic?

this is an acceptable answer
I don't remember this but I'll assume your right, this is also an acceptable answer assuming that

this

I didn't really explore Blight Town until right before fighting Gwyn the first time through. Queelag's house is very obviously a boss lair and I was sick of being in Blight Town so I just killed her, rang the bell, got killed in the Demon Runs and went back to Firelink.

This is wrong. The first mimic is actually the one in sen's fortress, there is no mimic in blighttown

Stop lying, Pablo.

Not on my first playthrough, but on one of my other playthroughs I did discover it completely by myself, and the best part was I had no idea it existed. Even after being in countless threads about it, somehow, I just never heard of this place. Made it so much more amazing to discover.

> read the orange soapstones
> smacked all the walls like a tard
> oh shit they weren't lying this time

I definitely found it without a guide but i'm not sure if it was dumb luck or reading notes left by other players

imagine lying about finding ash lake without guides on an anonymous imageboard.
yikes.

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Probably the latter since you're a retard.

I was told about the secret room with the chest but stumbled on the secret wall behind that one because of autistic Mimic checks.

how would the latter make him any more of a retard than dumb luck lol?

Imagine thinking this is some secret for the ages that no one could possibly find without a walkthrough.

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I didn't explicitly know there were mimics in the game but like said, I almost always attack treasure chests just to be safe. It's funny actually, the only mimics i've ever fallen for were the ones outside Anor Londor's stairway because there's 2, I killed the first and assumed the second was safe, and the one in DS3's high wall because it was literally the first chest I found in the game and it was the the second area in the game

Oh I guess you're a retard too then, sorry.

I literally found it offline on my own. I was exploring the entire perimeter of Blight Town and you just come across it. I think the rpg-exploration logic most of us have would have caused that you happen.

I discovered ash lake because someone said there was an illusory wall ahead.

I did. I obsessively check for illusory walls at the end of all passageways, or wherever it would even be slightly reasonable to think so. And ever since getting 102% on Donkey Kong Country 2 without any help at all, it's been hardwired into me to check for secrets within secrets. Spent a literal fucking week trying to get the last DK coin in that mining level where the DK coin is hidden inside a fucking a bonus level itself.

the area sucks so why does it matter?

>hmm I should go back to blighttown and kill more of those slugs for titanite
>oh there's a path up this tree
>better hit this chest in case it's a mimi-WOOOOOOAH

I did. There were messages on the ground

AYE TONE... WHERE DA HELL ARE WE?

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I discovered it on my own, but then again, I'm not a mentally ill millennial

Soapstone messages exist for a reason user
Most of the questlines in Souls games are unlikely to be resolved properly on your first try, the games are deliberately post-FAQ design and rely on community pooling of knowledge

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>other players messages
>on your own
there's absolutely nothing wrong with soapstones, they are a great mechanic and have a purpose but don't go saying you found it on your own when it just isn't true

I pretty much check all walls to see if I can find hidden rooms, it was common shit in King's Field/Shadow Tower, but I guess OP is a pleb and didn't know that

are you mentally ill?
serious question

Autism to the max.

have sex.

i did but i read messages

judging by how big this board is someone probably did user

>I have no argument

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I literally stumbled through that wall on my first playthrough by accident

see
I didnt use them, because I played offline.

Someone had to find it without help otherwise they’re wouldn’t have been guides or messages

I sure as fuck had zero clue there was an entire massive area down in the Fuck You Swamp on my first go. I killed spooder and ran away with my firstrunspoiling master key close at hand teehee!

I did, super metroid conditioned me not to trust hidden rooms
also that false end at the top of the tree was a very obvious illusory wall

you cant prove a negative.
prove me wrong.

You're right that I didnt. I did find the painted world on my own though, so I felt decent about that.

Same thing for me. It was such a weird thing, I just started to think that there must be a secret hidden somewhere.

i did. There was a room in the previous area that had a fake wall behind it, so i hit every wall in small rooms with nothing in them just to make sure after that. My first playthrough was near 120 hours.

the triple illusory wall in dark souls 3 made me cum buckets

Why do people pretend like the "secret" areas are that well hidden? I could see maybe missing the dragon place in 3 but you can literally walk into ash lake by accident & if you missed cainhurst you're a brainlet, I don't remember if 2 had any secret areas

The illusiary wall leading up to it was obvious even without signs. Finding Ash Lake was such an amazing moment.
There's something truly special about your first blind run of Dark Souls, I didn't even see footage of the game before buying.

Hidden room inside a hidden room has been done in other video games 20+ years before dark souls retard

Based

you know thats what the floor message system was for right? and there are mimics before that point

There was an orange soapstone in front of both hidden doors in the tree

Guess I got lucky?

no there aren't, the first mimic is in sens

If by lucky you mean cheated then yes you cheated.

I did actually. i didn't beat the playthrough or anything, and havent beat DS1 at all.
No way of proving it to you tho so

Why do people go on the internet and tell lies?

I pirated the game years later, and im not a zoomer faggot that watches streams and I found it.

On second playthroughs?

Nigga I found about the Black Hole in Starfox by myself, so your little imaginary wall is fucking nothing in comparison.

i completed dark souls last night, i completed it years ago but never really explored or anything

wtf was the point of the ash lake? the dragon was sort of cool but you can't even fight it

alright in that case, if player messages of any sort helped you in any way whatsoever then your playthrough didn't count. sorry bro but you're not good at video games.

>wtf was the point of the ash lake?
SOUL

farmable clams, rare items on the ground, and the dragon's cut tail sword
that's pretty much it

dragonbro covenant, thats about it
can cut his tail off for a sword too

>wtf was the point of the ash lake?
it shows you the foundation of dark souls' world.

my first playthrough of the game was completely offline. Legit had no idea soapstone messages existed until after

The End Of Onionbro.

Probably a retarded question, but are there any similar RPGs to Dark Souls? Not in the "le epic hard" way, but in the lack of dialogue and big exploration with a lack of empty spaces.

>tfw I forgot 50% of how I did shit when beating Dark Souls
I remember getting the Black Knight sword and being able to breeze through the game, that's it. I'm sure that I beat the Hydra, but I forgot how.
fuck high school was almost a decade ago but it still feels like it was just last year that I graduated.

Stop trying to save face after I btfo you

Dark Souls 2

well, someone MUST have found it to write about the illusion wall in a guide, right?

subnautica, although it isn't an rpg

probably the devs

Dark Souls 3

Get a load of this zoomer faggot.

Not even him but fuck off gramps.

sorry user

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I did...

There were lots of secrets in 2. Probably not as exciting as Ash Lake but you could consider Dark Lurker as a secret boss since all 3 portals needed to find him were hidden. They're were also invisible hollows which were rather hard to find.

I missed the shortcut and bonfire in Sen's Fortress.

Kinda crazy how time works like that. I just beat it for the first time recently. I want to play it again already honestly

Doubtful.

Dark Souls is impossible to beat First Playthrough blind without using the internet. Prove me wrong

Ash lake isn't that hard to find on your own. Archdragon peak is insane though, it's not even possible to have the required emote your first time through that area, and there's no reason to revisit that area. It's also near a ton of the most annoying enemies in the game so you're actively discouraged from exploring the area again later on.

I can't, because my first playthrough was blind and offline and I gave up on Gwyn. I knew he was the last boss just because of everything leading up to that point and got tired of getting BTFO and having to run back to him everytime.
Came back and played through again and crushed him on a later date though

I did. I started hitting walls everywhere like the autist I was after discovering the hidden wall that hides the bonfire in the forest.

its weird how hard gwyn probably is on your first playthrough and how easy it is on your next

I would have had a very difficult time figuring out how to start the four kings fight without a friend giving me tips, even though the game gives you multiple hints

I did I got stuck and quit my playthrough. Didn't come back to the game for a year

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>missed Great Hollow and Ash Lake
>my Claymore was stuck on +14 because I never found a Titanite Slab
>didn't find out that you could return to the Undead Asylum
>missed that ember that's behind a lava pod on Demon Ruins
>never killed the dragon from the bridge
>never discovered the Painted World or Ariamis
>never found out that boss souls could be converted into weapons

My first playthrough was painful, but fun.

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I remember hearing how easy he was. Granted he wasn't the most challenging fight but he still took me like 3 tries. Then again I think I parried literally once or twice the entire game.

I did find it though.
I didn't know about the mimics either.
I don't even know what this user is talking about.

literally me

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But there is a slab in new londo.
>found ash lake easy
>took like 3 playthroughs to realize the false trees in the forest

Locking the painted world behind the Asylum is really fucked up.
The only thing I ever looked up was "can you go back to the asylum," and I'm glad I did.

I found it on my first playthrough three years ago. I believe it was because I hit the chest with my claymore and it hit the second invisible wall.
However, I didn't venture down there till my second playthrough or much later in my first because Blighttown was already kicking my ass.

I'm pretty sure there isn't a single Titanite Slab in New Londo Ruins.

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Archdragon peak is an area in DS3, not DS1, sorry for any potential confusion

I did it, and it was before I had the lordvessel and for awhile I couldn’t even find the path out of there, it was terrible, don’t know how to prove it but believe what you want, I bought that game on day 1 while I was in college and skipped classes for days to play it

I should go back to that game.
I got to the blue/snowy area (I think it's the Boreal Valley?) and stopped about a year ago.
Do you think I should restart or try to pick it back up there?

Metroid Prime 1 and 2

bloodborne
i think we got you covered my friend

I agree OP. Anyone who says they did is a filthy liar who needs to have sex.

I did.

The tree is a larger focal point than Queeleg's lair, so that's where I thought you were supposed to go.

Queeleg's Lair is pretty bullshit in terms of it's positioning. Who would actually attempt to cross a poison lake unless they were trying to kill themselves?

I don't have a PS4

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>didn't happen.

Moving goalposts

I would personally restart, you didn't really get super far

Well you're right.

Hiding content behind false walls is a shit mechanic.

Moreso in DS1 because false walls have ZERO physical clues, you have to either luck out, be led to attack the wall or attack every single wall in the game.

God fucking knows if some other random spot has never been found because it wasnt revealed like ash lake.

>outside of tree is much larger than hollow inside
>attack walls find chest
>accidentlaly running attack chest
>find another wall
Impossibru

Souls fags are the most autistic of all gamers. It's impossible for them to admit they didn't 100% the game on their first blind playthrough and killed every boss and found every secret at SL1.

Up to you really. DS3 is somewhat linear so you should be able to figure out where to go well enough

Did you not play Demon's Souls?

>but you can literally walk into ash lake by accident
Yeah... no. STFU and stop lying.

>doing a bow only run
>seems pretty difficult at first
>is actually pretty doable

The only troublesome enemies are Black Knights.

demon's souls

Hollow Knight!

Demon Soul remake for the Xbone and the PS4 when?

dark wraiths can drop them

>having a mechanic of the game in front of you is cheating
just admit there's people who found in on their first playthrough instead "nuh uh doesn't count"

I did senpai.i explored the game world like a winner does.

I've got some bad news for you, pablo.

Phil plz

But it doesn't I even specified that
I just forgot to put it in the OP
Still no one has proofed me wrong

Based paulie poster

I never did discover ash lake though i hit that wall. Grew tired of falling of that big tree and got cursed by that damn frogs, so i left.

I found Ash Lake on my first preview, and I went in blind, didn't use any guides, and didn't know about mimics. I was aware of illusory walls from the Darkroot Garden, and since the tree leading to Ash Lake was so large, I figured that I'd hit the walls inside to see if there was anything hidden.

Ash Lake was hardly a secret though. Painted World of Ariamis, now that was a secret to uncover.

They have a 0.21% Chance of dropping Titanite Slabs.

They're absolutely horrible farming spots for slabs.

why are you pretending to be me

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I did as well, after finding the bonfire behind the wall in the forest area I always ran around hitting stuff and it seemed pretty obvious to me
was on a pirated copy too so no player messages

Imagine being this mad that you were unable to find ash lake without a guide that you make a thread about it calling other people retards

Ash Lake isn't even a well-hidden secret. The walls are obviously fake because the polys don't line up perfectly and it makes the lighting behave weird. If you want a real obscure secret, try the DaS2 pickaxe.

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>my first preview
what kind of gaming is this?

CHEATING PIG BITCH GTFO LOL THIS IS FOR LOL HARDCORE GAMERS ONLY (LOL) I SWEAR IF I EVER SEE YOU ILL PUNCH YOU SO FUCKING HARD!!!!1 YOULL TURN INTO A FUCKING MEMORY.

>Go to the opposite side of the lake
>Its empty
>That doesnt seem right
>There is a giant fucking tree
>Go inside
>Its empty
>That doesnt seem right
>Push against the off colored wall
>Its a secret passage
>Do it again cuz the area I just unlocked seems lackluster
You are a retard.

I unironically did.
Sorry you're too old for games, OP

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Sorry I was trying to make you look even more retarded

*blocks your path*

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GIVE ME A DEMON'S SOULS REMAKE FOR PS4 RIGHT NOW

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>They're absolutely horrible farming spots for slabs.
They're also the only farming spot for slabs.

Unfortunately the only way to actually get a thread going with lots of replies and discussion these days is to act like a literal retard

alot of autism in here.

It would cool if they finished and added the sixth archstone too

I'm sorry that you seem to be so mad user.

I did, and it was a fucking mistake to light the bonfire down there because that completely fucked me. I had no idea how to get back up.

I did

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I got 2 the last time I played after farming for 30 minutes or something. Guess I just got extremely lucky even if I did stack discovery.

Sorry but I'm not buying that "merely pretending" garbage for a moment.

>play this game last week
>beat it
>curious where ash lake was
>google it
>its behind double layered bullshit in the most avoided area in the game
why blighttown of all places????

>down exploring the swamp
>find big tree with a chest inside
>oh cool
>open it
>about to leave when a ghost runs past me and through the wall where the chest was
>wat
>attack the wall
>fucking illusion wall
>another chest with a dead end
>open it
>wall behind chest looks weird
>hmmm
>no way they'd put in a double fake wall deadend....
>attack the wall
>FUCKING ILLUSION WALL
>MFW the pathway just keeps going

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it's fine you don't have to

I could not for the life of me beat O&S. I never upgraded my weapon past +5 because I didn't know about the embers. How the FUCK were players supposed to know to get those? Once I got em I killed em first try.

For people who defend DeS with their lives, don't mistake me, I love the game, but DaS is one of a kind experience specifically because of all the hidden secrets that the game doesn't spoonfeed you. Discovering places like Painted World, Ash Lake is what made it so special.
We could have had the same experience with the hidden areas in DaS3 and BB (Archdragon peak, Hypogean Gaol, Cainhurst, Upper Cathedral) but the online community and streamers pretty much spoiled everything. The same will happen with Sekiro.

because the world is sustained by trees like in norse mythos.

just do your first playthrough without succumbing to your internet addiction it's not that hard. I've been avoiding most all the gameplay trailers and shit so that I don't have any spoilers for this very reason

yeah I get that but why put it in blighttown of all places? why not put it in a place more central? you never revisit blighttown aside from getting pyromancy if you go that path

post first playthrough stories.

I encountered the Four Kings before even finding the Gargoyles. I missed the ladder in the parish and ended up wandering off, ringing the Blighttown bell first and then wandering around after.

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You have to revisit to finish Siegmeyer's quest. Or you might just feel like going back when you're higher level to get the items you missed. Nobody 100% clears that shithole on the first try.

>taking anything on Yea Forums seriously
What kind of retard does this

i guess. that area kills my frames so I try to avoid it half the time.

>keep seeing ghosts jump off the elevator at the starting area
>man what the fuck, people are retarded, why would you do that
>finally say fuck it and jump off it too on my next trip through the area
>oh shit theres a spot to land on here
>oh shit theres a little pathway
>oh fuuuuuuck theres stairs up there to the giant raven
>oh my goooooooooood hes flying away with me

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Except nobody claimed that, moron. This thread is about one (1) optional area in the game

No me llamo Pablo, me llamo Jorge

I was terribad at Dark Souls when I started. If I wasn't co-oping with a friend who was helping but not guiding me through it, I usually played offline so I wouldn't get invaded. I'd already cleared Sen's Fortress but was backtracking to just explore one day my friend wasn't playing, since I didn't want to go anywhere new without him.
I wound up deciding to explode Blighttown since I'd gotten the Rusted Iron Ring (which I didn't have the first time I went through.) I went to the tree, thought it looked odd, and hit the wall to find the chest. I hit it to see if it was a mimic, and didn't clip the wall, but got suspicious anyways just because I was exploring that day and wanted to be thorough. It was more dumb luck than anything, but I was just paranoid about invisible walls.

>start game
>guy at the first bonfire tells me theres two bells to ring, and I can either go up to the city or down below
>k thanks
>just exploring the starting area
>oh shit, a graveyard with skeletons!
>fuck yeah Im gonna explore me some catacombs full of skeletons!
>die like 100 times making it deeper and deeper in with my shitty starting knight gear and using whatever cool weapons/gear I find along the way
>oh fuck its pitchblack now
>oh god giant skeletons
>wait whats this fucking wall
>what the fucks a lord vessel
>what the hell am I supposed to do?
>friend tells me Im not supposed to go there yet and I have to come back later
>"But then why is it at the start of the game!"

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Literally me irl

>hurr why would you hit the wall behind the chest
Idk retard, maybe because RIGHT BEFORE THE FUCKING CHEST there's an illusory wall to actually get to the chest and the wall behind it has THE EXACT SAME MODEL. It couldn't NOT be another illusory wall and considering the game is peppered with stupid bamboozled tricks my question is why wouldn't you try to do that? I could understand if you never played demon souls and were retarded but honestly?
How could you see that giant tree with a big path and honestly think "oh yeah, it's just one magic wall leading to a chest, nothing to see here" it had to either
A: be a shortcut
B: be a hidden area. There's no fucking way it was just a chest, you're retarded if you actually hit that wall, found the chest, saw the wall behind had the exact same fucking mesh as the illusion wall and didn't also hit it.

This makes me want to kill myself even more for using guides

Ash lake makes me upset because looking at large bodies of water gives me a sense of existential dread. 4 Kings pitch black boss fight freaks me out too

Sif was a bitch to kill in my bow only run

i did and it was easily one of the best gaming memories i had.
i thought i accidentally found some endgame area, so i kept falling down the great hollow without my armor on to get all the loot and stuff. accidentally found the basilisks suiciding, so i got a nice warning, got the chloranthy ring and felt so goddamn good.
then i kept going and got super freaked out at mushroom people, then the hydra exploded out of the water and i freaked out some more.
found the eternal dragon, again freaked out, realized he didnt want to fight but was a covenant and became a dragon bro for life.
climbed the fuck out of there and died to queelag like 40 times.
goddamn dark souls rules

I've heard this game feels like shit to play with shit controls and input lag and shit but I've never actually tried it

is it true, it sounds like a good game otherwise

I did. And I did Blight-town via the back entrance.

good you should, people who use guides on their first playthroughs are disgusting

how have people still not played one of the greatest games of all time I will never fucking know

Because unfortunately i have a low tolerance for clunky feeling games so there was no point in me trying it but i want to know if it's true and if i should bother

i quit the game for nearly a week after my first fall into the Four Kings boss room. something about that endless pitch black terrifies the absolute shit out of me. same thing with the giant eye in Bloodborne, i just mute the volume, hack away at it and fuck off back up the elevator. First time I sank down into that black pit i just kept going "oh shit oh shit oh shit"

that and deep water are huge killers for me in vidya

play the original game and get the mod that lets you play it at 60 FPS, but be conscious that you will need to toggle it off if you run into something that seems a bit off as the game can get buggy at 60 FPS. but really, this made the game very playable for me, it's a real gem and you should give it a go

kys

mad

ash lake is the scariest place for me, in all of videogames. the silence and how immense it looks make it feel so lonely and so far away from safety

Is this the first Dark Souls? Because if so, it was a spectacularly poorly ported game. And judging by Demon Souls and Bloodborne, they never got their games to run very well on consoles either. I think that's a good reason for why people wouldn't play it. I didn't even bother to finish Dark Souls because of it.

Didn't the 60 fps mod cause your weapons to break much faster in the original? Or did they fix that?

>its a fuckhuge tree
>its got a chest in it
>the chest contents are boring as fuck
>you will have encountered fake walls before

>Didn't the 60 fps mod cause your weapons to break much faster in the original? Or did they fix that?
I never experienced that (just played for the first time in early 2018). I had two major issues, one where I couldn't make the jump that allows you to go back to the undead asylum, and one that made the Four Kings fight a lot more difficult. Sometimes I felt more comfortable during fights if i turned it back to 30 FPS too.

Ah. From what I recall, durability was calculated by how many frames the weapons spent smacking enemies, so mods to improve the FPS just made life miserable, because durability was tied to framerate. But that's cool if they fixed that somehow.

I did.
I fucking did.
Also I didn't have the royal chalice so I had to climb that tree.

I did, I was confused as hell and did not know where to go, so I was like "Hey I remember that giant tree in that swap hell hole!" and then boom bam, bombo, gingo, flingo, anol, anal, rapo, I was there.

>Drag a pig to the depths of the sand tomb thing so it can chew on some crystals
I still can't believe it even works.

First BB playthrough blind and I only found the Hypogean Gaol by accident, the rest I could only find in a second and third playthrough, no guides.

I definitely did, because I discovered a mimic earlier and checked every chest. the reward in the one chest seemed insignificant so I started chopping around and, behold, this giant tree that looks like it goes somewhere, goes somewhere

Ok furry

>I'm a fucking retard, so everyone else must be too!

>using [game mechanic] doesn't count either, forgot to mention that

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>get used to hitting random walls.
>Find the one with a treasure chest behind it
>treasure isnt really worth it
>hit wall behind it for the fuck of it
>was pretty blown away by the whole area and really cemented my love for the game
>get cursed trying to get back up
>am stuck respawning at the ash lake bonfire, almost drop the game.

If you don't count player messages then I did. But then it'd be retarded to not include.

Found that shit on accident when I had a very high fever. Everything I did that week felt like a dream so it kind of all melded together. Didn’t really realize I had wondered into a hidden area until I saw people on /v talking about it.

>lying on an anonymous imageboard
I too found this without a guide. I also found the hidden room in Arkham Asylum without a guide during my first playthrough. If you didn't, you don't know SHIT about vidya.

Found it by mistake without a guide. Was getting chased by those slug monsters and I was poisoned so I went up the path with the chest in it and since I was poisoned I just swung the walls in frustration that I was gonna die, which broke the illusory wall. Blew my fucking mind when I found a bonfire, completely lost it when I descended the tree.

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Yeah I did too lol. user is just bad at exploring

Just look at the chain retard

I did. It’s so conspicuous looking.

How will faggot OP recover?

Yeah I did the same but the game intentionally tries to deceive you by having two secret walls in a row.
>oh got the chest that must be all there is!

I did while hitting the chest right next to the invisible wall. Gotta check for mimics man

I did it. There's your proof.

It's really fucking good. I wouldn't say there's "input lag" persay so much as your attacks lock you into animations so you really have to commit to what you're doing and get the timing down, which is part of the reason it's so fun honestly.

Greetings brother

I'm stoned, but what's ash lake have to do with a mimic? Is that chest in front of the fake wall a mimic?