When is Ghosts of Onyx (the best Halo book) going to get a game like Reach?

The only original idea 343 had was the Spartan IV and look how that turned out. 343 hates everything that isn't Chief because it doesn't make them money. Underage faggots love being the epic halo guy, so we'll never get anything in the Halo expanded universe.
>no ODSTs
>no marines
>no Spartan III
>no space battle game
>no covenant
It's only Chief or their shitty Spartan IV.

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it's not like 343 even treat Chief respectfully, more like they just dangle his helmet around for money

The planet getting glassed and you sitting in a little rectangle while everything dies would be pretty kino tbqhfam

I remember the story being fucking awful, even for a vidya spinoff novel. The concept of Spartan IIIs was great though.
>those IIs are breddy gud
>fugg we need more
>no time, it takes ~10 years and we're getting 6 gorillion'd
>maeg it faster
>we can't, half of the IIs died during surgery even though they were ubermensch who spent their whole life training for it
>maeg it faster
>*IIIs end up being expendable shock troops with knockoff gear that are sent on suicide missions because they'll probably die from organ failure anyway*

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My man. Thats one of my favs. But if I was asked which book I would like an adaption of, it would be one of the forerunner saga. Greg Bear really outskilled himself there.

Yeah but that's still loathsome 343 canon

III's have to be regularly injected with some serum as well or their brains degenerate into a feral state.

>Armor is so shit, their chances of being injured so great, that they're pumped to the brim with an adrenaline cocktail so they can still operate while mortally wounded

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With all the halo talk recently, I decided to look at what has been happening with the Halo franchise since I left Xbox (my last halo game was Reach). I love the Halo story and universe, but I am shocked and appalled to see what 343 has done to the franchise. I'm not gonna compare gameplay, but the following additions to the story are really dumb and I won't consider them canon
>the forerunners weren't the godlike precursor
race, there was another race above them
>human civilisation existed in an era long before Earth and before the rings were fired
>The flood is just a failed experiment created in the conflict between Forerunners and the nu-race
Can 343's story be discarded? I hope none of the books claim any of this bullshit.

>forerunner saga
Isn't that the ones that introduced The universe being a machine, the precursors existing outside of the universe, the flood basically being "code" the precursors uploaded just to fuck with humanity and the forerunners, living time and neuro physics? Just to name a few

hopefully never, seeing how they fucked reach. also 343 doesn't care about the old canon stuff, only muh forerunner nuHalo shit

This

user those first two existed before nu halo, I'm pretty sure those two concepts were around at least during halo legends. Also the flood thing is really fucking dumb, not just what you posted but if you go further down the rabbit hole you will be astounded. I wish the Flood never got an origin, they should've stayed a cosmic horror from an unknown origin.

>The only original idea 343 had was the Spartan IV and look how that turned out. 343 hates everything that isn't Chief because it doesn't make them money. Underage faggots love being the epic halo guy, so we'll never get anything in the Halo expanded universe.
And that's a good thing, at least you guys are getting spin-offs, be happy about that.

Even if 343 hadn't gone full retard and actually had gud writers, it would've been extremely hard to come up with a better arc than the Human-Covenant war. So much interesting shit happening on all sides for such a basic premise

>those first two existed before nu halo
This, it's not clearly explained and very little context is given, but they're established as separate entities in 2 or 3.

>go further down the rabbit hole
reading the wiki right now, I don't know what I expected but it wasn't this level of faggotry

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There is a map that shows Covenant and Human space in the Milky way. Its only a tiny sliver of it. You could easily bring in a 3rd galactic empire. Or an extra-galactic threat attracted by the firing of the Halo ring. Or have all the AI go rogue in a Skynet type of situation. Or explore the concept of Slipspace more--have some consequence to using it like there being extradimensional slipspace beings.

Also, we need some missions where we fight humans. Rebels and pirates were a big part of the books but aren't represented in the games at all. Obviously humans would make for a boring enemy so it wouldn't be the whole game. But 343 could have started us off as some Spartan IVs and had use take down some terrorists for a mission or 2 before introducing a new alien threat.

They only have the Orion arm.

Art Books:
>Art of Halo 3
imgur.com/a/OOF1r

>Art of Halo 5
imgur.com/a/6FqzO

>Art of Halo (Original)
drive.google.com/open?id=0BzxNZWWqyX42ZUJSdjgxUXctZ2s

>Art of Halo (CE to Wars/Reach)
imgur.com/a/Pb9Vq

>Art Compilation from CE to 4
drive.google.com/open?id=0BzxNZWWqyX42ckt0ZDdWaG1WSkk

Lore:
>Warfleet
drive.google.com/open?id=0BzxNZWWqyX42Sk9iamNQaW81V3c

>Halo Books
drive.google.com/open?id=0BzxNZWWqyX42aUIwbUZxWHJ0V1E

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Are these books worth reading as an adult? They came out when I was 15. Are they more geared to young adults because I always wanted to read them but feel like it may or may not keep my interest.
For perspective, I just tried reading Lost Stars, a Disney canon new star wars book and I just couldn't stick with it I was pretty bored. The genre does peak my interest though. I grew up with Halo and my friends and I finished Halo 3 so many times together overnight I could quote the entire game today. Good times.

Have you gotten to the part where the universe is the sims, the precursors are the sims players and the flood is the equivalent of installing a flood mod

That makes me sad. I like the idea of Forerunners being a mysterious unknown race of godlike technology, with the halos being the only evidence they existed, and that humans are their new successors only. And yeah I'd prefer if the flood was just a natural creation of the universe. Like an aggressive weed.

you could tell 343 thought they were so fucking far out and big brain when pulling that shit, like they really thought they were writing some really heady science fiction. What a fucking joke

Wasn't there something like that in the books? I vaguely recall someone being in slipspace and saying they saw something out there

It makes me so mad, it warhammer level stuff which doesn't belong in Halo. Like said, they should've kept it the way it was. Forerunners realizing they goofed and leaving the mantle to humanity as a way of apologizing for fucking them up when they were just trying to escape the flood. Not any of this extradimensional bullshit.

Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx are all good as an adult. Contact Harvest is also pretty good.

The books mention that there are cases of people aboard ships going missing when a ship jumps through slipspace.

Yes, they are young adult books but hold up pretty well, if you like Halo lore. Remember to give Fall of Reach a few chapters before you drop it. The first few chapters are about child Master Chief being an obnoxious fuck and a Mary Sue, but it improves dramatically once the Covenant show up.

The Halo story was good because it was a believable future. All this new story makes it more fantasy than sci-fi.

Wasn't Ghosts of Onyx retconned?

No?

The early one are pretty cool for the few space battles but aside from that, not really.

Humanity existing before humanity is CRINGE.
I will tolerate the idea that civilisations existed before we evolved, but not that we had a civilisation before then too.

Thanks.

>All this crap when Red Team, Cutter, and the Spirit of Fire is not only alive, but is in a central crux to the story
Chief and the Blue Cucks can stand aside, let the Red Chads have a proper game and every would be wrapped up nice and tight with a bow, no Forerunner gifts needed.

Pretty much just ripping off Battlestar Galactica.

No the CRINGE part is that were were DEVOLVED, if we would have simply been stripped of all technology and education that would have been enough.

Read:
>The Fall of Reach
>The Flood (okay, optional if you played Halo:CE)
>First Strike
>Contact Harvest
>Silent Storm: A Master Chief Story

Everything else is completely optional. There ARE still good books in the optional category, just the ones listed above can be enjoyed by anyone with minimal knowledge of the deeper Halo lore

It's because 343 made the brilliant move of trying to turn Halo into Star Wars. Which is funny since the decline of both series are paralleled if you think about it. 343 is just Disney and Halo 4&5 are the Sequel Trilogy.

And I'm an idiot, forgot Ghosts of Onyx, definitely a must read

The dumbest part of this is they totally hype up the regressing to something primal being a big deal, but IIRC all we fucking see is Dante die slightly less fast from needler explosions in his abdomen

Kurt totally held the entire book on his back

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I hear mixed reviews about Silentium stuff because lmao 343, is it actually good? The Flood being some kind of absurdly mutated remnants of another group out to get revenge and supremacy intrigues me.

For the books (and basically all the other media I guess) what's the cutoff point before 343's cancerous canon takes over?

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Good to know. Appreciate it, anons

The Flood are literally remnants of the precursors meant to fuck with the Forerunners for wiping them out

That's what I mean, I've heard enough to get that part but are the actual books any good?
Stuff like the Logic Plague just sounds neat.

youtube.com/watch?v=XXSx1u_HzRU

Red Team don't fuck around.

Yes, its good. Greg Bear is a really good sci-fi author. The Forerunner trilogy has unfortunately been tainted by Halo 4 so everyone hates it, but they are good books. People will reduce the plot to something absurd sounding here, but they are condensing 3 books of material into a single post, as well as just being absurd about it.

Daily reminder that the Sins of The Solar Empire Halo mod is the best Halo game.

How did a marine manage to tackle and hold down an elite?

Pure will.

Logic plague is the only good thing to come out of it personally

Imagine books created by people who never really got was a series was about jerking off to their writing prowess while also having to push some sort of narrative to keep it relative in the least bit to the source material.

>spartan just shoves the corpse off the platform after the fight
Pretty cool, like the kind of shit bored played will do in the campaign of Halo CE

what book is that from? first time i heard of that

I saw that and my first thought was that it was a fuck you to incovenience whoever had to retrieve the arbiters armor

>Pretty cool, like the kind of shit bored played will do in the campaign of Halo CE
I don't think so, Halo CE doesn't have ragdolls

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Pretty sure it's mentioned in Ghosts of Onyx.

>implying Reach the game had anything to do with Reach the book

Doesn't matter, the corpses still are affected by grenades and rockets, that's show you throw them off cliffs.

what a waste of a good nade, let alone a rocket

well reach had S3's

Reminder that the Forerunner Trilogy is the best fiction to come out of the entire Halo franchise even if it made all the 343 games trash

reminder that S3 > S2 > S1 > ODST > Air Force > Army = Marines > ONI > S4

Spartan III have objectively superior augmentations than Spartan 2's. They produce less casualties, provide better results, and provide them faster. Spartan 2's advantage is experience, superior armor, and superior genetics (in most cases). Some kids in the Spartan III program had the exact same genetic markers as Spartan II's did, so given enough time they should end up superior.
Only the Gamma batch of Spartan III's got the berserk drug and it leads to eventual psychosis symptoms which can be deadly. It's unknown how long it takes but from what we've seen so far it takes months for it to get really bad and they remain as deadly as ever even while hallucinating shit.

spartan 3's suck LMAO

Halo was never believable in the future, the Covenant, Flood, and Forerunners existed and the Spartan II Project was impossible, then we have the Spartan Laser and Gauss Cannons, along with MAC guns.

This, the human is Forerunner shit is just as stupid as ancient humans being as technologically advanced as the Forerunners, both are really stupid.

How exactly are all those things not believable within the next 600 years?

We've just begun genetic engineering and transplanting heads onto bodies of all things in like 2017

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>Halo was never believable in the future
500 years in the future and you consider genetic modifications of that scale impossible?

>and Gauss Cannons, along with MAC guns.
We literally have working railguns right now in the present.

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Saying that the augmentations of the spartan 3's had better results is blatantly false. Spartan 2's had everything the 3's had augmentation wise PLUS mechanical augmentations on top of that.

500 years in the future and vehicles still use wheels, and guns still use bullets. Where's the flying cars and lasers?

I figured it was just a pill they took.

THERE AREN'T ENOUGH DEAD HEROES

>spartan II
>gauss cannons
>mac cannons
>unrealistic
I-Is this some form of bait?

Post proof of such mechanical augmentations. S3's got more modern versions of all the S2 augs.

>500 years in the future
>plus an entire alien civilization that colonized the galaxy and had their twilight when Humanity was taking their first steps as a bunch of tribal ooga ooga people and left behind all of their technology for all the other races to study

Literally everything about this is wrong. Spartan III augmentations are just a bunch of injections and serums to make them stronger and faster, but they lack all the real shit that made the II's so powerful.

IIIs are weaker in almost every way, and the books make this very clear. Their whole advantage is that you don't die when you become one.

>Where's the flying cars and lasers?
You literally just said the Spartan Laser wasn't realistic.

Are you thinking of IVs? If so, you're right. If not, you're very wrong.

I thought we gave up on that.

Not him but Halo has these though.

The shit the Spartans have will straight up kill people.

Plasma doesn't work the way it does in Halo.

>The SPARTAN-II program was the first proper iteration of the SPARTAN programs, an effort to produce elite soldiers through mechanical and biological augmentation.
Literally the first sentence on the SII page

halopedia.org/SPARTAN-II_program

No mention of any such augs on the SIII page

halopedia.org/SPARTAN-III_program

The MAC guns in the halo universe wouldn't work, they'd explode even with "future tech"

Halsey's Journal, bitch.

Post which mechanical augmentations they got. Have a book quote, a header from a shitty fan wiki is not evidence.

>spartan II
>mac cannons
>unrealistic
Yes, these are unrealistic, let's not forget the Index is magic.

>reach is so snowflake! different armor for every spartan
>meanwhile mark V, mark VI, and GEN2 EVA all with different thigh, shoulder, and forearm armor
niggers

Aren't they just good railguns?
>Magnetically Accelerated Cannon

Do you not understand how many years 500 is? It's a lot of fucking years.

>No propellant
>They'd explode

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No they're accelerating the rounds to 40-50% the speed of light instantly. The round and the canon would vaporize and probably act as a nuke and kill everybody in a wide vicinity.

Nigga I don't fucking know which mechanical augs they got, I posted the easiest source I could if you want to learn more read about it yourself.

And technology can be exponential

contact Harvest and Fall of Reach are the only good Halo books.

First Strike was fucking awesome

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The wiki takes its info on that straight from the books, verbatim.

Agreed

Yeah, meaning that it's even more likely to happen. Look at computers, the first one was less than 100 years ago, took up an entire room and wouldn't even be able to run tetris, now we have palm sized computers that can run HQ 3D simulations

> There are people on this earth who unironically read Halo books

jesus

S2:
>Muscular enhancement injections: protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactase recovery time. This augmentation greatly increases strength.
>Carbide ceramic ossification:advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable. Recommended coverage not to exceed 3 percent total bone mass because of significant white blood cell necrosis.
>Occipital capillary reversal:submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of subject’s retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase.
>Superconducting fibrification of neural dendrites:alteration of bioelectrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. Three hundred percent increase in subject reflexes.
>Catalytic thyroid implant:platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues.

S3:
>The new bioaugmentations were a quantum leap ahead of those he had received.
Quote from Kurt, page 63 of Ghosts of Onyx.
>There was "88005-MX77," the fibrofoid muscular protein complex that boosted muscle density.
>He spotted "8942-LQ99" inside the infuser. That was the carbide ceramic ossification catalyst to make skeletons virtually unbreakable.
>"88947-OP24" was the number for retina-inversion stabilizer, which boosted color and nighttime vision.
>"87556-UD61" was the improved colloidal neural disunifica-tion solution to decrease reaction times.
>To accelerate the program's timetable, puberty had been artificially induced. Human-growth hormone as well as cartilage, muscle, and bone supplements had been introduced into their diet, and the children had metamorphosed into near-adult stature within nine months.
cont. soon

>30,000 meters per second
>30 kilometers a second
>Anywhere fucking close to the speed of light
The speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second.

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Halo books are for mentally handicapped children

>40-50%
Orbital Defence Platforms fire shells at 4% the speed of light, not even close to what you're stating.

Their largest mac cannons are 40-50% the speed of light, like the ones on the ships. Your approximate knowledge of the lore while also being a shit eating shitposter is raising a few red flags, fuckface.

Gamma company extras:
>"It enhances aggression, making the animal part of the mind more accessible in times of stress. Someone so mutated has reserves of strength and endurance no normal human could call upon. Such a person could also continue to fight under the influence of wide systemic shock that would instantly kill a normal human.
>The mutagen, however, depresses the higher reason centers of the brain over time," the AI continued. "The antipsychotic drugs and bipolar integration medicines counter this effect. As long as the SPARTAN-IIIs have these agents in their system, they compensate."

S2 performance:
>They can lift three times their body weight—which, I might add, is almost double the norm due to their increased muscle density.
The type of lift is unknown.
>“Your Spartans can run at bursts of up to fifty-five KPH,” he explained. “Kelly can run a little faster, I think. (Page 83 of Halo: The Fall of Reach Definitive Edition)
>With four pumping strides that gouged deeply into the jungle loam she accelerated to her top speed of sixty-two kilometers per hour. (Page 167 to 168 of Ghosts of Onyx)
>“Almost impossible to chart. We estimate it at twenty milliseconds,” Mendez replied. He shook his head, then added, “I believe it’s significantly faster in combat situations, when their adrenaline is pumping.”
The Spartan II’s reaction time is noted to be around 20 milliseconds and it can be even faster in combat situations.

cont.

We thought we would have flying cars this year, I doubt too much will change in 500 years.

not really.

I wanna bash your fucking head in you don't know how frustrated your ignorance is making me

.4c is 40% the speed of light 1c would be the speed of light.

do not post loli/shota harmers thanks

>S3 performance:
>They'd be sedated and injected with chemical cocktails and surgically altered to give them the strength of three normal soldiers, decrease their neural reaction time, and enhance their durability.(Page 99 of Ghosts of Onyx)
>Behind him, Lucy, Adam, and Min fell in line, covering the rough ground in long powerful strides at nearly thirty kilometers an hour.(Page 17 of Ghosts of Onyx)
>During Operation Prometheus, Spartan III’s were noted running at nearly 18 mph.
During fall of Reach, Jun, Emile, and Carter ran at speeds of up to 43 mph while reaching a Fallout bunker (Halo: Reach, New Alexandria)
No statements on reaction speed.

Contradictions:
As shown above the spartan II’s have multiple instance of running speed demonstrations that appear super human. However, they are not consistent, nor do they properly align themselves with how they were described. For example, how is Kelly the fastest Spartan if John has consistently ran faster than her?
The Spartan III’s have two instances of running speed demonstrations in all of Halo canon. However, they conflict with one another. The first example of running speed was down by the Spartan III’s of Beta company who ran at roughly 18 mph. However, seeing as how this sprint speed is casually achievable by unaugmented humans(they can even run faster), candidates who are considered to be Olympic quality athletes (Page 100 of Ghosts of Onyx), are unlikely to actually have sprinted that slowly in that scenario, especially if they were physically augmented. Contrary to the showing mentioned above, members of Noble team have ran at speeds up to 43 mph, which is more superhuman in nature but inconsistent with the previous speed demonstration.

cont.

halo.fandom.com/wiki/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon

>A standard ship-based MAC fires slugs of either ferric Tungsten or depleted Uranium and approximately 9.1 meters long at around 30,000 meters per second.[2] The high muzzle speed gives the 600-ton slug the kinetic energy and momentum necessary to damage a target and partially mitigates the unguided nature of the slug and its lack of maneuverability; once the round leaves the barrel it's trajectory essentially a straight line and cannot reorient it's direction. Orbital Defense Platforms fire a 3,000-ton slug at four-hundredths, or 4% of,[3] the speed of light, around 12,000 kilometers per second. Unlike explosive artillery rounds or missiles and energy weapons, the destructive force of the MAC round is via kinetic energy on impact.

>Sources
Halo: The Fall of Reach, Page 108
Halo: The Fall of Reach, Page 283

Think about where we were in 1519. Now think about where we were in 1969. Think about where we are today. Think about where we could be in 2519.

>getting this mad over this
Take a chill pill, gramps.

According to the Narrator of Ghosts of Onyx, the Spartan III candidates will never perform, become like, or be as skilled as the Spartan II’s.
>These recruits wouldn't be anything like himself, John, Kelly, or any of the original SPARTAN-II candidates. (Page 68 of Ghosts of Onyx)
However, this is contradictory to Kurt’s communique with Mendez where he openly acknowledges that kids he has obtained would have been chosen by Halsey if they were alive when the Spartan II program took place.
>You know as well as I do that we wind up with ones that she would have chosen, not just kids unlucky enough to survive a glassing. - Kurt's communique to Mendez
On top of this, Mark-G313, is a better sharp shooter than Fred-104 (Halo: Last Light, page 108), who is the second best Spartan II sniper (Halo: First Strike - The Definitive Edition, page 194). Mark’s skills similarly deemed exceptional even by Spartan standards. Which is contradictory to the above statements.
So in other words, How can the Spartan III's never be anything like the Spartan II's even though they were described as such and then some in later media?

We could be cyberpunk by then.

are the other books good? I only read the fall of reach but it was written like 15 year old wrote it

>the Halo Encyclopedia claims that a Super MAC slug is fired at .5c (50% the speed of light), and that its explosive yield is around 9.98 teratons.
Retconned in 2009 fuckboy

>I doubt too much will change in 500 years.
Then you're a idiot

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This is not even mentioning that Spartan III's got superior training than Spartan II's (Mendez was still training them, but they had an actual Spartan II participating, and the faults from the previous regimen were corrected). They also got recruited younger.

>However, this is contradictory to Kurt’s communique with Mendez where he openly acknowledges that kids he has obtained would have been chosen by Halsey if they were alive when the Spartan II program took place.
That's not a contradiction. That's simply pointing out that the reason they won't perform as well as IIs is because they didn't get the augs.

is this gif from the venom movie

We'd be post-cyberpunk

Yet the augs have no provable difference. Logically the Spartan III augs would even be superior, due to advancements in medical technology.

But Halo 2's MAC guns operate on the old "retconned" lore. The shells don't suddenly hit 50% the speed of light in those games because some idiot who doesn't understand physics wrote out the old information.

>MAC Cannon
>Magnetically Accelerated Cannon Cannon
WHY THE FUCK DO THEY DO THIS

III's were recruited way older.

Are you fucking retarded?

It's in the first book that the Spartan II's including John receive cybernetic augments/implants in addition to the gene therapy and other surgeries.

The human technologies are cool and believable
The idea that aliens exist and we haven't encountered eachother yet is cool and believable
Hivemind entities is a really cool sci-fi concept and works very well as an enemy in Halo
The idea that fallen alien empires have left behind technological relics is believable
What's not believable is that humans already existed before we evolved, or that gods existed and interacted with our civilisation, or that gods were killed by a race that apparently has technology inferior to our own despite having existed since before we evolved.

>III's were recruited way older.
S2's were recruited at the age of 6. S3's were between 4 and 7.
>Are you fucking retarded?
Are you able to form a coherent counterargument or just flail in pathetic rage?

>It's in the first book that the Spartan II's including John receive cybernetic augments/implants in addition to the gene therapy and other surgeries.
Provide quotes.

no. Theyre very awkward and very boring. The best parts of The Flood are parts that werent in the game. First Strike is all over the place with concept ideas for a game that wasnt out yet. Ghosts of onyx has cool things in it but overall is a very lame story. The books are part of the reason why 4&5 are so fucked up.

Same reason we say ATM Machine or PAC Code.

>Some idiot
You mean the same idiot who made comic book to explain why Cortana was alive 2 years after Halo 5? You mean the Franchise Development Director Frank O'Connor? Are you saying shit that Frankie writes isn't canon?

>I thought we gave up on that.
The U.S. Navy isn't interested in them right now not because of any effectiveness issues, but because the barrels used wear out much faster than with conventional cannons. They can still fire thousands of rounds, but not nearly as many as what we have.
China says they already have one armed on a destroyer, but it's China so take that with a grain of salt.

>First Strike
>boring
>Danforth motherfucking Whitcomb boring

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>You mean the same idiot who made comic book to explain why Cortana was alive 2 years after Halo 5?
I mean that is pretty fucking stupid.

Halo: Evolutions (Vol 1) was my personal favorite.
It had a great mix of horror elements in its stories.
Karen Traviss did a pretty awful trilogy, and Brian Reed worked on other abysmal stories. The illustrations from the latter didn't help.

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I wish 343 just ignored Chief and Cortana and left them floating in space. Their story was done, and no matter what they did, it would always be compared unfavorably to the Bungie games.

>we have working railguns right now
maybe in experimental form but not operational. and dont post the fake chinese naval railgun

I had multiple shitposters crawl up my ass when I debunked the "Chinese laser gun"

>maybe in experimental form but not operational
The biggest thing holding it back is the absurd power supply. The only remotely feasible option is warships with nuclear reactors and it would still require a backup generator.

I like her Republic Commando books but don't care/never read her Halo stuff since it's 343i canon

can i get a quick rundown on why some halo fans would
a) hate her Halo trilogy
b) like it

all I know is that it's about ODSTs and 1 spartan

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>like Reach

You mean completely retconning the original in shitty ways?

No, the limitation is capacitors and rails wearing down very quickly in use, much faster than gun barrels.

>hate
Dumb shitting on Halsey, completely biased ONI viewpoints, suddenly humanity is the strongest race in the galaxy for no reason
>like
The main team is pretty comfy and I enjoyed them hanging out

Friendly reminder, anything that's released to the public as "work in progress" technology from the military is either already in use or dead end technology.

The actual battle of Reach in the original is garbage.

Her Cortana short story was alright in Evolutions
She has an awful habit of having bad opinions and fantasies that carry onto her writing.

Is the shitting on Halsey from the characters or the author? Like does it make sense for the characters to say any of the things they say about halsey/are they informed on halsey the same way the reader is?

Don't know shit about Halo lore. Why are spartans so big?

It's from characters, but it feels like it's from the author. Kinda like she did in the star wars books.

Growth drugs

Ah fuck i never readed the halo: fall of reach book to the end brb

Good posture

I don't really like anything from it. For some reason, the Sangheili were too dumb to build a barn (even though they have Sangheili engineers that design weapons, food, and even ships through the usage of nanomachines), they couldn't swim (retconned, because they're a seafaring species), the engineers somehow all vanished, ONI's plan made literally no sense (considering that they think setting up a plan on a single planet would immediately span thousands of star systems without repercussion), and her self insert OCs shitting on Halsey. Thursday War was a slog to read through as well, and the last one was Godwin's Law til they literally compared Halsey to Hitler.

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Depends on what source you're reading. Some have them at like 6'3" without their armor and some have them at like 7'5"

Stay mad

Hopefully, I'm alive to see it.

athlete genes + steroids + suit makes it look even bigger

i only have experience with the repcom books but I never felt like there was unrealistic anti-jedi bias, that's why I was curious what the situation was with Halo

either way I like the team and the banter in those novels too so maybe it might be a good enough reason to check the odst books if they're similar. Does it bridge heavily into 343i lore or can it be read independantly as sequel to ghosts of onyx?

was the self-insert the spartan in pic related?

>Does it bridge heavily into 343i lore
It generally maps out the post-war "geo"-political situation with various ex-covenant factions and ONI exploiting them, so kinda

Pilot helmet was inspired by it but I agree and I want a real version

>was the self-insert the spartan in pic related?
A big issue with her writing is that she makes a group behave a specific manner. You can include the Spartan in that group, seeing that many of them held the same exact viewpoints. People have also stated that she inserts her political beliefs into her writing as well.

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Kelly>Linda

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Reminder that Reach has the best armor and aesthetics overall.

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Seems like youve got some misinfo. I can only reccomend reading them for yourself.

it has the best spartan armor but guns, covenant and UNSC in general look worse

What exactly did I get wrong, genuine question

never, they wouldn't have a game using SPI Armor

nah

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I just want my PC release now.
Real HD with actually playable framerates and antialiasing now, please

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>hating this magnificent creature

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There is no "universe is a simulation" element. The Precursors most likely exist in multiple dimensions so their physical forms being destroyed didn't kill them and such were able to view their "destruction" with mere curiosity and let it happen. Precursor structures exist primarily in Slipspace after all, the Star Roads and other stuff are shadows of Slipspace structures. So the Precursors are likely still around, but probably not in the galaxy due to the Halos wiping out most neural physics techs.

this suit looks like it's balding

you fucking ruined cqb

Reminder that if you call Elites that spaghetti word, Grunts Ugnnnggoy, or any of that other shit, you're a space weeb who should just stick with 343's shitty books.

kind of based desu

sangheili is the only none cringe word out of all the alien stuff though, and I think the planet was called helios

So what Halo books should I read and in what order?

Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx. In that order.
Cole Protocol and Contact Harvest are good too, but you don't need to worry about the order for them.

1. fall of reach
2. the flood
3. first strike
4. ghosts of onyx
5. contact harvest
6. the cole protocol

It was called SANGHElios

So how were you supposed to use this thing anyways? Never quite got the hang of it

must have been thinking of the ai from deus ex

>Contact Harvest
>Fall of Reach
>The Flood (only the segments not covered in Halo 1)
>First Strike
>Ghosts of Onyx

That covers the noteworthy Bungie-era novels in chronological order. Cole Protocal is okay too.

Personally I find the Forerunner trilogy absolutely fantastic but many people disagree. Those are:
>Halo: Cryptum
>Halo: Primordium
>Halo: Silentium (seriously the best thing to come out of Halo)

Then there's the 343 books, I haven't read many of them due to personal distaste but the Kilo-Five trilogy is readable
>Halo: Glasslands
>Halo: Thursday War (bit boring)
>Halo: Mortal Dictata

Minecraft

You detonate the grenade by releasing the trigger, so if you hold down the trigger, the grenade will stay on the ground or keep moving until you release it. It also works as an EMP for vehicles.

Lead your shots, release the trigger when the bomb is close to your enemy.
You could 1shot people with it and disable vehicles/shields.
Was great for countering bansheefags.

My dad let me borrow his copy Ghost of Onyx, haven't cracked it open yet. What am I in for?

I like CQC more.

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no. the spartan IIIs in ghost of onyx have much shittier armor than the IIIs in Reach (who got the same type of armor as Master Chief) and are not adults with years of combat experience.

Spartan III and Kurt hype

That's the plot of Transistor

who's kurt

Oh, that explains why I used it so much in H3

You'll see

Unironically based taste

The dude who could've been the Chief, but didn't like to be in the spotlight, so he became Spartan daddy to a shitload of SIIIs

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wrong, retard. Most IIIs don't have shielded armor and the ENTIRE POINT of creating them was mass production specifically for suicide missions. Because one Admiral guy who didn't like Halsey saw how good Spartan IIs were but didn't want to deal with the budget and picky-selection process OR having to deal with cloning replacement children. The IIIs were literally just a bunch of volunteer war-orphans and they were given drugs that could fuck with their mental states beyond what the IIs ever had received. The ONLY thing they got over IIs is better training since they were trained by a Spartan II and the IIs were trained by a regular-ass man. Oh and that regular man also helped train the IIIs.

my friends and i all called this the retard helmet.

>Most IIIs don't have shielded armor
Not augmentations. Also, they all have MJOLNIR now.
>and the ENTIRE POINT of creating them was mass production specifically for suicide missions.
Yes, but they still got the same (or superior) augs as S2's because augmentation is cheap, MJOLNIR was the main cost in the program. Only Gamma company got the rage drugs, and those were manageable.
See:

dad, but he didn't leave for cigarettes

yes NOW surviving IIIs get MJOLNIR but in Ghosts of Onyx, it was a plot point that they cheaped out and didn't get that kind of armor. Instead, the best they got was shitty camouflage SPI armor and it didn't have shielding, so they were pretty fucked vs Covenant weaponry just like with the MJOLNIR Mark IVs.

also, you're still forgetting the selection process. The IIs were all hand-picked for the program because they had god-tier genes and would produce the best soldiers with the best minds. They were also taken at the optimal age for learning and growing. IIIs were typically a few years older when they started training and it was literally a "take what you get" scenario. they went to a bunch of places looking for kids nobody would miss and they said "hey wanna get revenge on the aliens? we'll give you the power". that was basically it as far as prerequisites went.

>yes NOW surviving IIIs get MJOLNIR but in Ghosts of Onyx, it was a plot point that they cheaped out and didn't get that kind of armor. Instead, the best they got was shitty camouflage SPI armor and it didn't have shielding, so they were pretty fucked vs Covenant weaponry just like with the MJOLNIR Mark IVs.
Which I did mention as an advantage to the S2.
>also, you're still forgetting the selection process. The IIs were all hand-picked for the program because they had god-tier genes and would produce the best soldiers with the best minds. They were also taken at the optimal age for learning and growing. IIIs were typically a few years older when they started training and it was literally a "take what you get" scenario. they went to a bunch of places looking for kids nobody would miss and they said "hey wanna get revenge on the aliens? we'll give you the power". that was basically it as far as prerequisites went.

S3's didn't have as strict genetic markers, they were more like the top 10% instead of the top 1%. However some S3's DID have the exact same markers as Halsey wanted.
S3 average age of introduction was 6 (same as S2), they were mostly 4-8 years old. Their training was also finished quicker due to the superior training regimen. Yet they do end up outperforming S2's as mentioned in Newer tech > older tech, and S3's were made with newer tech. If S4's were recruited as children they'd be superior to both S2's and S3's. It's natural progression.

never ever because 343 hates good writing

James Ackerson, project lead, was a UNSC Army Colonel and ONI Liaison.

The augmentations were stated to be significantly better than the Spartan-II program's, at least by Kurt's speculation-

>> Ghosts of Onyx, pg. 38
> As he read he started to grasp the opportunities and challenges of this new program.The new bioaugmentations were a quantum leap ahead of those he had received. There were lower projected wash-out rates. There was, however, only a fraction of the original SPARTAN program training time and budget.

Their effectiveness is implied to be significant even without the backing of Mjolnir-

>> Ghosts of Onyx, pg. 9
> The SPARTAN-IIIs moved with speed and reflexes no Covenant could follow. They
dodged, snapped necks and limbs, and with captured energy swords they cut through the enemy until the field ran with rivers of gore and blue blood.

Spartan-IIIs had the motivation to learn, adapt, overcome, and succeed because of the losses of their homeworlds. Determination is a significant thing, especially when it's noted that they were practically killing themselves studying and training to keep up with Mendez and Kurt-051's regime.

>> Ghosts of Onyx, pg. 56
> "... Since you announced their grades were a factor in the selection
process, they practically kill themselves every night to learn everything before they pass out."

They were also implied to be able to hold their ground against an S-II in Mjolnir:

>> Ghosts of Onyx, pg. 105
> There was motion in Kelly's peripheral vision, a blur.
> She spun and saw a ghostly figure, moving toward her— faster than any human could move.
> Kelly sidestepped, grabbed the arm, twisted.
> Her opponent reverse-twisted and countered the lock.
> Whatever it was, it wasn't human; otherwise Kelly would have ripped its human arm from the socket.
> Her opponent twisted her wrist and escaped from Kelly's grip.

The one thing they lacked in comparison to the IIs was experience.

Ghosts of Onyx is one of the least canon "main series" halo books out there, back when Bungie was going to pull a 343 and make even better super soldiers but decided against it

The thing about 'even better super soldiers' is that the Spartan-IVs are ineffective in comparison. They strive to be equivalent, but now that Spartan-IIs and IIIs are given Mjolnir GEN2, they exceed Spartan-IVs regardless. The only reason that Chief seemed to struggle with Locke was because he was- presumably- intentionally holding back to prevent charges of high treason for killing or otherwise crippling an ONI agent.

You're striving, crying, changing goalposts and ultimately just being a retard, since Ghosts of Onyx is the founding source of Spartan-IIIs.

wtf is most of the halo community like this? they just cherrypick and decide what is and isn’t canon?

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>since Ghosts of Onyx is the founding source of Spartan-IIIs
And most of that shit was retconned or ignored by Bungie not 4 years later

When the games directly contradict "lore" from books written by overzealous nobodies it brings into question which is right. The studio, or the "writers".

Proof?

>wtf is most of the halo community like this?
it's just the lore scrubs

most fans don't give a fuck, just as long as it isn't 343

Gonna' need sources on that one, user. They expanded on the given sources (Category II Spartan-IIIs), but never outright retconned anything to my knowledge.

They go hand-in-hand.

Halo hardly has a community with how divided fans are over literally fucking everything.

except when it comes to playing the actual games, then everyone becomes super comfy even when playing halo 4 or 5

The games are where people disagree the most.

I don't remember the Category II Spartan IIIs being established in Ghosts of Onyx, but it's been a long time since I read it.

When you custom make the game in MCC:Custom Edition

They're an expansion of given sources- the Spartan-IIIs being the given sources in this case.

>I don't remember the Category II Spartan IIIs being established in Ghosts of Onyx, but it's been a long time since I read it.
They're not mentioned as such, but Kurt and Mendez discuss some of the S3's meeting the S2 genetic markers. They would've been S2 candidates if the program had continued.

why was Jorge hanging out with these niggas when he should have been in the autumn with chief and the others?

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>Bungie gave him room to write the story as long as he accomplished some "very specific [story] goals", sometimes making changes to the Halo universe to incorporate his ideas.
>he acknowledged the difficulty of fitting his story into the rest of the Halo universe was far greater for Ghosts of Onyx than the other novels
>"It's not so good because I have to work and play well with other parts of the intellectual property so everything meshes.
>editors also had more time than those of Del Rey and helped "untangle" the complicated plot of Onyx

This still doesn't clarify what in particular was retconned- it just notes a significant strain in the writing process for Ghosts of Onyx.

Kelly = Linda

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ONI fuckery
If any of Noble had survived they likely would've been on the Autumn

Spartan 3's got one book before Reach (which completely ignored it) and didn't get another publication until a year before Halo 4 (which made them all Spartan 4's now). Spartans 3's may as well have not existed at all

That's not Halo 3

it's a different branch though

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Linda>Kelly

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> ... which completely ignored it.
Still no evidence as to this.

> ... which made them all Spartan IVs now.
Nothing has ever made the existing Spartan-IIs or Spartan-IIIs into Spartan-IVs due to augmentation incompatibilities. They were folded in under Spartan Operations, but this does not make them a Spartan-IV: it just places them in the same chain of command.

Similarly, most of Gamma Company was pulled from Spartan Operations and pressed into service with the Office of Naval Intelligence, especially noteworthy because none of them were ever deployed in combat.

Correction-

> ... because none of them were deployed in combat.

This is aside from the obvious exceptions of the Top Honours competitors and the Ferrets.

>Still no evidence as to this.
The Spartan 3's in Ghosts of Onyx are the same as the Spartan 3's in Reach in name alone. A real "fan" would know this.

> ... A real "fan" would know this.
They're not a separate concept solely conjoined by name. They're an expansion of the Spartan-IIIs, and I don't see why there's such a problem in accepting and understanding this.

343 did the same thing that Bungie did with ALL the lore. Bungie "expanded on the lore" by "writing in" a second wave of Spartan 3'sand left everything else in the dust. The exact method 343 is using to "expand the lore" with Halo 4 and 5 and the Forerunner/Precursor backstory.

I WANT AN RPG GAME ON ERDE-TYRENE WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT HUMAN SPECIES

The Spartan 3 design on the cover has always been my canon view on how they should've looked. I did love the amount of customization you could have in Reach but I was bummed you couldn't really make yourself look like the design on the cover of Onyx

There has never been or ever will be a game to book adaptation that is actually good.

Both Army and Marines are in Reach. Marines look worse than 3.

Evolutions was a solid collection of Anthologies. The story about the Spartan that was deformed during augmentation and was manipulated by the rebellion was great, the ODST that wakes up after surgery to discover that the entire crew of his ship has been killed by the covenant was cool, Headhunters was absolute kino.

343 has featured Spartan III Gamma Headhunters though, they're not ignored at all

This

I actually have a shit ton of halo books my sister gifted me that I haven’t read. I’ll do it now, thanks guys.

read everything by eric nylund and you can disregard the rest if you want

Never forget this pure halo kino from the makers of Robotech
youtube.com/watch?v=0s7lXk9VcEQ

the flood is ok if you ignore the chief parts.

I didn't say 343 ignored them, I said Bungie ignored Ghosts of Onyx, and that matters because only Bungie has made a game with Spartan 3's in it (which disregarded most of Ghosts of Onyx)

F

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How did it disregard GoO?

Rip anime military waifu

legends 2 when

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Do you not remember that all Spartans from Alpha company died in Ghosts of Onyx? I'll let you guess which ones were resurrected for Halo Reach.

Read the first three, then Ghost of Onyx and Contact Harvest, and then the Forerunner Trilogy by Greg Bear is great.
The other ones are take or leave.

You forgot Halo Legends.
The story of the Elite with a Cricket Bat alone makes that worth it.

But all companies had people taken from them before deployment by ONI, that's not really a retcon

>The story of the Elite with a Cricket Bat alone makes that worth it
Explain. what episode?

i'm pretty sure Kurt took some
particularly competent spartans and made teams with them, also six was Ackerson's personal hitman.

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Sorry, wrong thing. Halo Evolutions.
It's a short story filled book.

Gene therapy, the IIs got different surgeries and implants/augments at different stages of childhood as well. Stuff like being completely opened up and having their skeletons altered.
One of the best parts from the books highlights the power gap between a II and regular humans, where some officer wants a demonstration so they have 2 ODSTs attack John in the gym while he's still an adolescent. He has no armour and kills them with ease, the bodies so badly mangled that witnesses are shocked. To John they moved in slow motion.

Oh yeah I forgot that handy piece of lore that thankfully allowed not ALL of the 300 Spartans from Alpha company to die. When did that drop? Oh yeah, with Halo Reach.

So? It doesn't contradict GoO in any major manner

It's probably the exact same as the US ones and the plans were given to them by Israel the greatest of allies.

SHE WAS SO FUCKING CUTE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Prototype was actually UNSC propaganda and the deaths of 10/10 marine girls was so people would enlist and protect them.

I forgot how kino Halo 2 was
youtu.be/8F7OgOCzph4?t=1176

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Except for you know, the parts it directly contradicts. And it sort of undermines the tone the author was going for when the 300 Spartans that died were actually 294.

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But GoO already establishes that not all of the company deploys at the same time, with a few teams of Gamma being left behind on Onyx for example. It's not exactly a big stretch.

Really appreciate all these links man, thanks.

the UNSC was always full of cutes for whatever reason.

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>The mission ended in a Pyrrhic victory: though the facility was disabled, all 300 Spartans were killed.
For somebody who shills Ghosts of Onyx so fucking hard you know very little about it

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Apparently the story was animated it's call The Mona Lisa.

Yes, all Spartans in the battle. It's a minor retcon at best.

But Dilios lived.

It's like Star Wars. You've got a core series of games/movies and a coherent setting that every fan agrees is great. And then you've got new entries (prequels, sequels, reach, 343i) that change the formula and sometimes outright contradict important aspects of the originals while also getting new secondary expansion on the setting (old EU, Disney EU, Forerunner books, 343i books).

When you have so many different entries doing so many different things all under one franchise it's inevitable that fans will disagree. Some will love some parts and hate others, and it's only natural that they don't want any new entries to incorporate the things they hate so they argue with other fans over what's actually worth keeping. It's been this way for ages, in both Star Wars and Halo you have to pick and choose your canon because it's literally impossible to reconcile the many disparate entries into each series into one cohesive setting.

Best short. I wanted more/

Oh so it is retconned now, I see.

Do you have shadow of intent? Unless I'm literally blind. I can't find it.

The Flood fucking sucks ass. Worse than the worst 343 era books.

You ever realize that Nylund is a point-of-view writer and that you're being pedantic? The way he writes, shit like "ah, not every Spartan in this company was killed" can easily go amiss. Kurt went MIA, it's entirely feasible to think a few Spartans've gone MIA and were still on register for statistics: especially with ONI down their dickholes.

One of my favorite lore tidbits is how Master Chief's circle of friends when he was a normal kid were all girls.

>Halo Hentai VN where you play as Chief on reach as a late teen never ever

But Nylund doesn't write for the games, does he. He specifically killed of not one but TWO sets of 300 Spartan 3's. Pretty sure he was trying to convey something.

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he has chad genetics after all, even Cortana said he's very handsome when she first saw a pic of him

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Jesus fucking Christ this mother fucker was always a straight up chad.

He's also a ginger so take that how you will

>Ginger
I thought he was described as having brown hair, blue eyes, and freckles as a child.

He does

He has brown hair though.

I thought it was ginger hair, blue eyes and freckles. I hereby summon the nerd with the book to clarify.

John has pale blue eyes and reddish-brown hair.[3][266] As a six-year-old child, John bore a few freckles on his cheeks and had a noticeable gap between his two front teeth.[22] His hair, when it was long enough, was untidy.[22][24] John was larger than most children his age even as a kindergartner.[20]

>John was larger than most children his age even as a kindergartner
Probably all that Forerunner spunk the Aliens injected him with, the whole time whispering "Lucky little John"

>reddish-brown hair
>a few freckles
So a half-breed then?
kek

>the arbiter's armor was probably vaporized with the rest of the shield world when it supernova'd
>the corpse was not recovered and the armor just replaced with a new set
>this is assuredly not the first time this has happened
>mfw the prophets just make a new set of armor every time but don't bother to upgrade the tech because the arbiter has to die
>mfw when every aspect of the arbiter legend is controlled and likely fabricated by the prophets
>mfw the mausoleum of the arbiter is empty

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I liked it

Just means auburn hair.
Gingers have that vile neon orange look.
Also lots of kids that have freckles lose them as they get older.

The fun of it is worth it

Or, you know, the Halo Wars writers weren't that attentive to the source material.

Reach elites and brutes are the best in the entire series. Also the skirmishers are great.

Holy fucking shit user did you just unearth a new piece of lore? You're gonna end up like that ledditor who discovered the gravemind on delta halo was holed up in one of the control rooms and get a million halo youtubers covering this

I would had fall for that

>Reach elites and brutes are the best in the entire series
OH NONONONONO!

> also six was Ackerson's personal hitman.
Sounds cool as fuck. Not doubting your words, but a man needs proof

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He's only wrong about the brutes.

>Halo 1 Elites: Fast, tough, set the standard for all Elites for the franchise, can fight the flood on equal footing
>Halo 2 Elites: Slow, bulky, stupid retards that won't shut up about the prophets and the demon with shitty English voices, get their asses kicked by Brutes and Flood
>Halo 3 Elites: Same as Halo 2 but at least now they look cooler with their armor
>Halo 4 Elites: Possibly the worst in the series but at least they're fast again and no longer speak English
>Halo Reach Elites: Fast, tough, have the coolest designs and animations in the entire series, speak alien and feel like a threat again, basically Halo 1 Elites but improved in all aspects.
Halo 2 Brutes were boring but at least they were tough. Halo 3 Brutes were pushovers with shitty armor designs, just weaker and slower Elites basically. Halo Reach is peak Brutes, with the best designs and a decent mix of toughness and versatility although I wish their berzerk mode was buffer like Halo 2's Brutes.

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halo.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24527
Some unnamed officer said six was his own "private grim reaper" it's safe to assume that superior was Ackerson

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Does Halo 4 and 5 even have Brutes? What about Engineers? Did they just abandon all of that? Reach had the biggest variety of aliens.

Halo 3:
>All flood destroyed, especially on High Charity and the Ark
>Kill truth and destroy the Covenant
>343 guilty spark is killed

Halo Primordium:
>Actually 343 guilty spark isn't dead and he's an ancient human

Halo 4:
>Actually the Covenant isn't destroyed

Halo 5:
>Ok NOW we've destroyed the Covenant

Halo Wars 2:
>Actually the Flood's still on High Charity and the Ark

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Nope

What's master chef doing in the background there

Halo Infinite
>haha oh wait the Covenant isn't dead LOL!

Fuck expanding the setting, just march it onwards and pretend nothing bad happened. Just like Humanity being on it's last legs by 3.

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Because that's the cover of Halo: Ghosts of Continuity

>Actually the Covenant isn't destroyed
the covenant IS dead in halo 4, the niggas you fight on it are mere remants
>Ok NOW we've destroyed the Covenant
the banished are still a thing
>Actually the Flood's still on High Charity and the Ark
there's flood in every single ring that chief didn't destroy

This, all the stuff by Eric Nylund is worthwhile

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More like
>oh wait, all the species that surrendered to Cortana are hunting us down including humans I hope

Reach had the best sandbox. Even if everyone hates the multiplayer, the single player/co-op experience is the best. You got the campaign, Firefight 2.0, and also the best Forge World. And like you said, it had the most alien races, which helps with the variety. I just think it's so cool being able to see Brutes and Elites on the same team at the same time as you're playing. In every other Halo game it's either Brutes or Elites, but never both, and some games just deleted them and 343 never mentioned them ever again, they just vanished.

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Ayy thanks. I've something to watch before bed
youtube.com/watch?v=36hTq2soGDE

As much as 343 might suck ass, I do appreciate how much dedication they have to supplementary material.
Stuff like this and Hun the Truth are great.

>the niggas you fight on it are mere remnants
Then it's not destroyed, especially if they're still called "The Covenant".
>Actually the Flood's still on High Charity and the Ark
High Charity and the Ark aren't Halo installations, they were completely cleansed of all flood at the end of Halo 3

>actually quotes lines from the book
Based halo Book nerd-friend

Firefight in Reach sucked and so did custom games. They didn't start adding in content that they removed until nearly a year later

>Hunt the Truth
and they didn't use anything of that shit in the actual game, what a shame

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Reach has the best firefight though.

Probably not, but the Prophets doing shit like that would make sense. They don't fucking care.

That's the second time we were mislead by them, maliciously or not. Anybody who went out and bought an Xbone after than are complete retarded.

it's destroyed because they're not as dangerous as the actual covenant was

Did you ever play firefight online? Do you remember the input lag it had?

I mean the audiobook for hunt the truth. Unless these fake trailers were a part of it.

Then why call it the Covenant if it's not the Covenant and the Covenant is destroyed?

The most logical poster in this thread.
So sick of the 3 fanboys that hate on the reach elites and brutes because theyre "ugly" while they offer the most gameplay variety.

Never had problems. Sounds like a personal problem.

Then you don't remember reach's online firefight

Aren't they called the storm?

Firefight in ODST was the same exact game every single time you played it, and it's only fun with friends. Reach Firefight has way more options you can mess around with and it's highly replayable. I never liked how ODST's firefight would go on and on until you died. At least with Reach you can finish a game and do a different scenario and edit all the different options like what covenant types show up, how strong they are. If you only played Firefight in matchmaking then of course it sucked, but offline it's way more fun even if you're playing by yourself than if you played by yourself in ODST. There's just so much more you can do and I'll take more options over less options even if the maps/main mode was better in ODST. ODST's firefight isn't something I was ever able to play for more than a few matches. But with Reach I could spend hours playing it offline by myself and never get bored.

Halo in general had lag problems due to bad hosts. This was no just firefight. Even Halo 3 had problems.
Regardless, it's coming to PC and it will be the best firefight.

>the storm
Not that I remember
No Reach's firefight had inherent input lag on movement

Just because Reach's offline firefight had more options than ODST doesn't mean it was good.

You've got brain problems if you don't remember Reach's Firefight input lag.

That's Fred.

Which books have the most space combat in them? I've only read Reach, and thought it was pretty shit, except for the space battle chapters.

Like I said it's a problem in all of the games when the host has a bad connection.
It makes it the best firefight and that was the point of this argument.

But it was good. It was more fun than ODST's firefight.

>tfw no MA5K in any of the games
>tfw no Spartan 3 armor in any fo the games

It didn't matter who the host was in online firefight, you always had input lag. It wasn't about host connection, the game mode was broken.

Even if they did add it, I doubt it would be as fun to use as it was on the CMT maps.

But it was.

It was about the host connection. Just like the other games.

what was the point of this character? was 343 actually trying to replace Chief with him?

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What game was the MA5K in?

They attempted an Arbiter and Chief thing like in H2 but failed because Arbiter is a better black than Locke is.

None, but it was on a couple of Custom Edition maps.

Then there was the Babysitter which was propaganda to get people to believe that Amazon QTs would protect them

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Then how come forge or custom games never lagged?

>They attempted an Arbiter and Chief thing
No they didn't, they just wanted to shoehorn the guy that was in their shit movie into the game like his contract dictated

>Everybody shits on H2 when it releases because it features another protagonist
>343 believes it would be a good idea to do the same, and even reduce the amount of MC screentime in H5
Massively incompetent fuckwads

They did sometimes, but its probably more likely in campaign/firefight because there is more going on with the AI and events.

So there was a problem with campaign/firefight.

The Arbiter levels were great though. Except for having to fight the Flood with fucking plasma rifles.

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All the Nylund novels are fucking horrible.

The only novel that isn't glorified fanwank is Contact Harvest which is by the actual writer of the games.

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In all of the games yes, but multiplayer still had problems.

>Completely fuck up and tear apart the ODST squad in a book just so they have an excuse to get Buck into Halo 5
Still haven't forgave them for this

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whomst is this

But we weren't talking about multiplayer, we were talkign about the massive amount of input lag in campaign and firefight that didn't occur in custom games or forge.

Oh I guess he wrote Shadow of Intent too so maybe worth checking out.

There's also the manuals, bestiary, halsey's journal, and conversations from the universe.

Anything else that isn't in the games or is from 343 era is trash.

At least we still have Nathan Fillian. He was the only thing to love about Osiris.

I loved them too. But I remember back then the internet shitflinging and even my normie friends complaining about being a space dinosaur
I quite enjoyed how melancholic Arby's levels felt

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Actually we were talking about Reach having the best firefight. Which is true.

I still haven't forgiven them for the Forerunner books

generic Reach trooper

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ODST didn't have input lag problems in firefight

>plasma rifles
mate the flood had fucking tanks and rocket launchers in that level. a good argument in favor of glassing from orbit.

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It honestly reads like NWO damage control because the Marathon/Halo metanarrative was giving away too many esoteric red pills.

...

I meant that you had Plasma rifles.

>Team Osiris is Rookie and Buck fucking shit up and looking for the Chief
I'd play it

Oh so everything in halo ever has 1000ms input lag, thanks for the info

He's wrong about the Elites too

Halo: Reach Brutes would have been better with a better design because they straight up looked like ass, and they could no longer berserk properly, but you're right on the rest with Brutes, Reach also had terrible Elite designs.

Now the narrative is " needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" generic star trek commie gobbledygook

I remember people being pissed at how little Earth was in the game. All the marketing was hyping up Earth, and most of the pre-release material and screenshots were all Earth. Then it was just two levels.

In the campaign yes.

They've been trying to replace him since Halo 4. Palmer was the first candidate and she failed, Locke was the second attempt and failed, both were Brian Reed's creations and both failed. Now that he's no longer at 343 they've both have been sidelined into irrelevancy.

and firefight

Reach would have been the perfect Halo game if they didn't fucking ruin it with loadouts, armor lock, and sprint. Also if campaign ran at more than a cinematic 19fps. I can't wait to play on custom classic servers on PC with good performance.

>needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" generic star trek
Even star trek itself used to be above that. They made an entire film about it.

theobjectivestandard.com/2013/09/spocks-illogic-the-needs-of-the-many-outweigh-the-needs-of-the-few/

I always liked that star trek wasn't afraid of challenging collectivism just as much as capitalism. And wasn't afraid to show that even pacifists need to use force sometimes. It never felt preachy because of that, and the ideas came away stronger for having been brave enough to question themselves.

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Arbiter failed too since Bungie made Chief the only playable character in the single player of Halo 3.

CUTE

They truly were.

Those levels were terrible.

I liked Arbies levels though. I thought they were great to see covenant based side of things.

If we start killing Humans in Halo as standard enemies I will literally kill myself.

People hated Arbiter levels at the time, but by the time Halo 5 came out people had come around on the concept. Maybe 343 thought they could do the same.

>In the next film, The Search for Spock (1984), the crew of the Enterprise discovers that Spock is not actually dead, that his body and soul survive separately, and that it may be possible to rejoin them—which the crew proceeds to do.

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They should have given us another Covenat to play as. Playing as a Brute could be fun.

Is anyone else bothered by the Rankor and emus on Reach? It might not have said it but I always thought the Covenant was first contact with any alien life, not just intelligent. But I guess Reach was full of monsters and birds?

>They try to do this
>Infinite comes out
>can play as cheif
>can also play as Nu!Spark
how will they fuck this up i wonder

>Are you saying shit that Frankie writes isn't canon?
>anything by 343
>canon

even halo 3 isn't canon mate, the story was supposed to end with 2.

The Fall of Reach novel specifically mentions that Reach had native flora and fauna. Covenant were mankinds first contact with intelligence. There were alien plants and animals everywhere.

>Look at newer Halo Books.
>Written by Karen Traviss.
Why do people keep hiring Manadlore lady?

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The best kept secret of the UNSC is the existence of indigenous human population on Reach.

how would you add the MA5K in a weapon sandbox that already contains the Assault Rifle, SMG, Battle Rifle, DMR, and SAW

I'm really fucking pissed off at glasslands. Dealing with the aftermath of the war is super fucking interesting. Unfortunately it's just a vehicle for retconning shit from halo 2-3 and setting up the buttfuckery of halo 4, and the best thing about that damn book is the title.

Here's concept art of one

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women don't belong on the frontline

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There is one thing that I like about Halo 4/5's artstyle, and that's the fact that you can see the helmet. Ever since I played Metroid Prime as a kid I've always been giddy about FPSes where you can see your character's helmet. Every FPS where you play as a helmet-wearing character should have that.

What game has your favorite Elite design?

Halo 3 had lines on the HUD suggesting the shape, but I do kinda like the gloss effect in 5.

Are you sure? I just googled it and the exact phrase "local flora and fuana" is in the book but it's referring to a different colony, and local doesn't necessarily mean native

I think he means if you just kill the flood then you can take their human weapons

>Halo 2 Brutes were boring
huh? they actually played differently, they'd rip off sticky grenades and throw them back, and they'd charge at you quickly in rage if you hurt them enough.

According to several interviews, Infinite is not going to be like 5 in terms of story and they are redoing the art style to be more alike Reach (and I hope Halo Wars because Halo Wars has some great designs but they only mentioned Reach.) They admitted they fucked up and Infinity is pretty much a huge cater game to the fans, which can end up either horribly wrong or pretty good.

I only liked the Arbiter for the different view in the setting. The levels for the most part are meh. Still preferred the first level he's in.

Republic commando did it best
Shit even wipes when you get shit splattered on

Did they at least do anything interesting with Post 3 Halo?
Did any of the Innies gain their own territories? What about alien factions that aren't Covenant or Arbiters good boy squad?

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Shoot faster. Less ammo. Less accurate. Faster reload.

Gear 3 did it with the retro Lancer which was less accurate, had more kick, but hit like a fucking truck.

The trailer was a spiritual disavowal of Halo 5. I don't know if they'll follow through though, it sounds like they're still doing the same kind of thing that was terrible about 5 in the first place, which is basing everything on this retconned expanded universe to where you can't understand anything if you don't read 50 tie in comics, novels etc. If they don't have a story that makes sense on its own then it'll still end up being shit.

And I have no idea if ex call of duty devs at 343 is in any way capable of making proper halo style gameplay even if they wanted to.

But at least they tried. I really wish disney would do something like that instead of doubling down on the JJ retardation with episode 9.

>fighting humans
why hasn't this been done yet? the books had whole rebel civilizations out in deep space, why can't we play as Gray team fucking them up. Black team got DIDACTED off screen but Gray team is still active, right?

Another thing, remember that live action mini series or tv movie where they just nonchantly make up a new alien species, as if Halo is star trek alien of the week stuff

>Or an extra-galactic threat
What is the flood.

>343
>following through

I mostly don't care myself - I just despise what most of 343's shit primarily because it is either aesthetically ugly as sin or unfathomably stupid.

>I liked Arbies levels though. I thought they were great to see covenant based side of things.
They should have made it a spin-off

>Disney
>JJ
user, Rian is directing the second trilogy

>that colony in 5 that's run by a rampant AI
>nobody bats an eyelid

I mean, first of all AI don't have the right to govern in the first place, it's already illegal. But as soon as you have an AI in a position of power like that also going rampant? It literally is skynet tier dangerous. Not only is it super dumb, the mission should have instantly become "stop the rampant AI at all costs" the moment you figure it out.

They barely wanted to make a sequel in the first place. It was supposed to be a different perspective to change things up from the very start.

I don't know who actually disliked arbiter, I wasn't bothered by it in 2004 in the slightest and I'm not bothered by it now. He was cool. Nigga you can go invisible instead of some crummy flashlight.

>4 is about how rampancy is bad and humanizing Chief and Cortana
>5 is about...
4 and 5 feel like they were developed from entirely different teams, it's bizarre. I enjoyed what they TRIED to do in 4, it's just that promethean enemies are NOT fucking well designed and NOT fun to fight, the areas suck and there's not a lot of memorable setpieces. At least the OST was good - unlike 5, which didn't even have that.

343 has been shit, but give credit where it's due. They love fucking around with the EU and did give us HW2

>people had come around on the concept
The community did, not the general populace, Master Chief popularity still eclipse Arbiter's and I still wasn't happy about the direction Halo 2 took, also 343 should have saw this coming back in 2012 because people hated the Spartan IVs, didn't want to play as anyone else in the main series, and had a massive hate boner for Sarah Palmer, when Locke was revealed in 2014 the backlash started really quick and got worse when Locke was announced to be a playable character in Halo 5 as people were having bad memories of Halo 2's campaign all over again.

Hey that Flashlight was helpful in the day before Screen Brightness calibration and playing on shitty CRTs

Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3.

>more alike Halo CE-3 with some Reach
Fixed that for you.

When spartan 3s get a dedicated game.

>humanizing Chief and Cortana
I don't understand this perspective. That was Halo 2 already with the "girlfriend of steel/chinks in the armor" type angle. Just in Halo 4 they have chief (who now never shuts up ever) literally ask "am I a robot" like it's profound. It's some 5 year old tier writing. I guess Halo 2 was too subtle for most people.

But yeah at least it had an angle, 5 felt like a collection of random scenes they thought would be cool to have in.

I sure hope not

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Yeah, just like Halo 5, and just like Halo 5, it sucked and pissed everyone off causing them to change their direction quickly for Halo 3.

QUICK WHAT IS THE BEST SPOKEN LINE IN ALL THE HALO GAMES?

>it sucked
it didn't.

It did

bet you can't stick it

so reach?

Literally any line from the Gravemind in Halo 2

Was it love?

>Sir, finishing this fight

IT'S JUST LIKE REACH ALL OVER AGAIN

>I AM TRUTH VOICE. OF THE COVENANT.
>And so you must be silenced.

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this

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Incredible how that scene is nothing but golden lines

>Halo...it's finished.
>No.
>I think we're just getting started.

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Fucking Brutes, almost as bad as niggers.

"There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?"
My favorite line in the entire series.

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"i need a weapon"

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WE EXIST TOGETHER NOW.
TWO CORPSES.
IN ONE GRAVE. . .

Funny thing is, Trump just gave a medal to a guy who carried one of his team members to safety while taking fire, that team members sex? Female. Back in the day people were complaining about how women in the military will make men take unnecessary risks. I guess that wasn't so farfetched as they said it was.

I think about this line whenever I need a weapon

It wasn't subtle, it just wasn't as much as 4. 4 is directly concentrated on Cortana and Chief and their relationship - while 2 expanded on it, it also focused on inner Covenant politics and stuff. Not to say that Halo 2 wasn't good with Chief and Cortana, they just weren't the main spotlight as far as development goes.

More alike Reach in terms of artstyle, user.

>What if you miss?
>I won't.
Alternatively
>Boo!

All of Halo 2 is straight quotes from beginning to end.

Because the relationship was mainly meant to build the players relationship with an important character, not win novel writing awards from hollywood jews. It was written for the game not for a script analysis.

>Tank beats Ghost
>Tank beats Hunter
>Tank beats EVERYTHING

There's more Halo CE-3 than Reach, user. Halo ring looks like a combination of Halo CE-3, Marines looks like a combination of Halo CE-3 and Reach, Warthog was Halo 4 and 5, weapons were Halo 5, Master Chief's armor has elements from Halo 2, 3, 4, and 5 but looks more like Halo 3. Covenant will most likely be a combination of Halo 3 and Reach but with Halo CE-5's vibrant color palette over that muted shit from Reach.

>It was written for the game not for a script analysis.
And it fell flat on its face, and what did 343 do? They completely dropped the storyline entirely.

>making a skill-based grenade launcher during modern warfare's reign

they were just asking to have Halo lose relevance

>And it fell flat on its face
How? Cortana is a well loved character because of it.

I'm talking about Halo 4. All of Chief and Cortana's development was trashed.

She was always well-loved. I don't think I've met a single fucking person that's played 1-3 that said "i hate Cortana"

halo 4Cortana a cute

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AR underbarrel when?
The OICW must live damnit.

I will forever be mad that Bungie made us play as Spartan III's wearing mjolnir armor instead of SPI. Why even bother making Noble team Spartan III's when you could have just made them Spartan II's. So fucking dumb

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I'm telling you what they expressly stated in an interview, user.

>Personally I find the Forerunner trilogy absolutely fantastic but many people disagree.
Those people actually read the terminals, and probably knew about the deeper lore through sites like halo/marathon story pages and rampancy.net

Too bad 343 deleted her from existence then, huh. Almost like Halo 4 never happened. Now when Halo 6 drops we'll have to wait two years to get Frankie's headcanon comic book on why Halo 5 never happened.

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>fighting Humans
Remember when Halo 5 was rumored to be Chief and Blue Team VS Locke and ONI? That would have been such a cool fucking game had it actually gone that route.

Because all of the Spartans 3's were killed. They literally had to retcon their own lore to even make Reach a thing, originally all the Spartans on Reach were Spartan 2's, not 3's.

Noble was deemed important enough to justify spending a shit ton outfitting their armor with energy shields, they must have figured that it wasn't too much of a loss to have him on the team.

>When is Ghosts of Onyx (the best Halo book) going to get a game like Reach?
Reach is the superior book though.

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Spartan 3's weren't even invented until after halo 2 came out.

I hate Spartan 4s, the only satisfactory ending to 5 would've been Locke being glassed. I don't give a shit that he's black or whatever, it's literally that Spartan 4s in of themselves are shitty. Vale is semi-acceptable, Buck was completely ruined and I forgot the 4th person entirely. There is one good Spartan 4 character and that's the mobile game guy or whatever.

not to mention they also had powershielding on Chiefs level even though that shit was new.

>humanity reduced to 500 million in halo 3
>nearly all the colonies are in ashes
>yeah we'll just pull a whole new spartan program and massive space fleet with new technology out of our ass instead of spending the next 100 years rebuilding.

God I wish the books and even some of the games showed this space combat stuff. It was originally the most boring parts of the books but I fucking love space opera these days.

>massive space fleet
I always thought it was just the Infinity, like they dumped everything into her. Really added to the ridiculousness of the situation when cortana almost swipes the infinity out of the air at the end of Halo 5.

they also built tons of Pillar of autumn copys

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but halcyon class was outdated already in halo 1

huh, how the FUCK are they going to rap the story up in Halo Infinite. For fuck's sake they handled Halo so poorly.

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Those aren't copies of the Pillar of Autumn. the Autumn was a retrofitted old halcyon frigate which was a common design.
Halo 2 has multiple frigates that look exactly like it in its beginning cutscenes.

the autumn class is supposed to have all the retrofit the actual autumn got, they're also supposed to be superior to the Marathon cruisers somehow

>halcyon class
That's an "Autumn" class, an upgraded form. Pretty much all they were using after halo 3 apparently.

might have been speed, since they chose it for a behind enemy lines mission

I guess he was a MARKsman

still dumb. you don't make a b53 just because the b52's have been retrofitted for 50 years to stay relevant.

delete this

The books have plenty of space fights.
The maneuver in my pic is from Fall of Reach.
I didn't really like the spacefights from Halo Reach, so space warfare might be better of as cutscenes unless they can put way more effort in it

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retrofitted b52 managed to beat a covenant battlecruiser on it's own, no other UNSC ship was capable of that, which is probably what they need against shitty storm ships with no shields

The Covenant is on Reach I repeat the Covenant is on Reach.

real answer: Tartarus, the prophets have betrayed us.

halcyon ships were light cruisers, also in Halo 2 you only see marathon heavy cruisers

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This is it, baby. Hold me.

My favorite is :
"CHIEF! THAT'S MY FRONT HOLE!"

I thought it was 3's have safer but weaker augs and 4's are the shit rushed out models.

Wasn't the Autumn fitted to be that of a Heavy Cruiser though?
That fucking thing could fire 3 MAC rounds one after another and had upgraded engines as well as added armor plating with a described "honeycombed" method of skeletal structure.

That gif was ruined for me after someone pointed out the rope is hooked to his back.

3's are both for mass production and uses safer technology. so inferior in both augs and tech. 2's got everything turned up to 11.

4's are just regular marines in power armor because of reasons.