Vlambeer co-founder says "sucks to be you" and "you got out businessed" to Valve over EGS exclusives

no actually it sucks to be you because im not installing another shitty launcher to play your game bud

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>metro
KEK
>purposefully financiating the ruin of a 'new' developer team to shill your dogshit store

hahahaha the mad lads.

>But Valve arguing anything being unfair, with the position they’re in, they just got out-businessed. I’m sorry, it sucks to be you.”
yeah there's absolutely nothing unfair about pulling a game off a store that people already paid for, and steam STILL needs to host on their servers for them.

Who cares what this bitter poo in loo thinks?

>arab dude thinks his opinion matters

The issue most people have is with Epic buying a year of exclusivity and that being the primary finding a developer gets. They know it will hurt sales so they have to pay for the exclusivity. Everyone hates that. When DLC for “insert Call of Duty game here” is randomly exclusive for a month on Sony be Microsoft console gamers also get pissed because it’s arbitrary.

If devs are moving over on their own with zero pre-launch payout from Epic that would be one thing. Buy exclusivity has always pissed people off.

Nope theres not but what Rami is saying that as a business Epic looks more appealing than Valve's 30% cut.
I mean like fuck am I downloading that client but I can understand why devs are jumping ship

How much do you guys get paid by epic to do this? I want free money for shitposting too, how do I sign up?

Rami finds the more advantageous corporate cock to suck and then latches on like a barnacle

>soiboy cuck gets bribed by chinks operating at a fuckhuge loss just to spite Valve
>"out-businessed"
Can't wait for Epic Store to crash and burn, it's going to be fucking hilarious.

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The fuck is a vlambeer?

Metro is a glorified benchmark.

Here, i said it. Sucks to be you.

Sucks to be him, their games are shit and he needs the free publicity i guess.

Well devs should understand that consumers will "jump ship" on their games too.

Steam = consumers to you?

You're pretty far gone

specially when it's just the nuc throne guy.

Like hey get some perspective

Doesn't bother me at all. How about actually just selling games instead of bundling spyware?

>Rami is saying that as a business Epic looks more appealing than Valve's 30% cut.
no. what he's saying is exclusivity is more appealing.
Run this through your head for a second, retard.
>Epic buys up games through exclusive deals
>Steam says, "okay I'm to magically decrease my share of the revenue"
>Epic continues to buy up exclusive deals
>steam goes wtf, bro.
What you expect is not going to happen, retard.
What's going to happen is steam is going to actively buy exclusive deals as well - thereby harming the customer even further. This is why this shit is anti-consumer.

BRIBERY IS NOT BUSINESS YOU KIKE

Devs don't give a shit about the cut. The PP dev admitted that it was alla boiut the money they got from Epic upfront to put the game on their Store. It's devs who don't think they could sell a lot on steam or other stores and rather take the safe money from Epic then to compete with a good product.

Metro exodus was promised a great release and future. Just by looking how few people watched it being streamed on twitch tells the whole story.

Outbusiness?It bombed, lmao. More like out of business.

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Who? No, seriously.

Redpilled. Only Steamcels would disagree.

Mudslime who made 2 middling indy games and now coasts

>that quote

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Don't worry, Epic made sure they made money. Unless fortnite runs dry Epic will keep buying exclusivity rights.

Hence why I said the developer not the customer you fucking mongloid

>Outbusiness? More like out of business.

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Why does Jan even work with Rami? Jan seems like such a cool dude and Rami is just trying to be as big as a cunt as possible in the pursuit of being "progressive".

I'm just glad Rami's name isn't on Minit. Such a great game. Bought it on 3 different platforms. Jan and his team deserved it.

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It's not competitive for consumers, they still have to use both clients since they are now splitting games among eachother and Epic store is fundamentally still worse for them in most aspects, they're just forced into using it if they want a specific game.
At least something like GoG is better for the customer due to the lack of DRM among other things.

And Valve is right since they're not saying that it's unfair to them but rather that it is definitely unfair for consumers who see no benefit and are forced into a worse product rather than being given the ability to choose.

>Only way to play Half Life 2
A Valve title, not from a third party. There's at least mild justification here.

It really is choosing more money/safer money over what their playerbase wants.
Though I could give less of a shit about Steam, everything exclusively being on Steam is also shit.

>indie dev
>"out businessed"
Aren't these the same shits who complain about big companies "businessing"?

Does Epic have touhou games?

No 2hu no buy

literally who?

no you fucking idiot.
>Nope theres not but what Rami is saying that as a business Epic looks more appealing than Valve's 30% cut.
The reason why this is attractive to DEVS is not because of the 30% cut.
It's attractive to DEVS because of the exclusivity deal.

Super-important developer every game journo is sucking off. Maker of:
Luftrausers
Nuclear Throne
GlitchHiker

Poo in loo who made 2 crappy indie games

Okay but has he made any good games?

>deals as well - thereby
exclusity rights on a now dead franchise good job epic lmao

>some completely fucking nobody said thing
ok

Releasing on all platforms would be pro-consumer. Forcing people to buy everything on one platform is just anti-consumer as fuck. It was anti-consumer itself when devs didn't release their game son GOG for no reason at all. Now, not only are they still not releasing on GOG, they've started supporting a platform somehow even worse than Stema.

/thread

He is right, Valve arguing about anything being unfair is fucking pathetic. That being said, it's not like you're gonna look good by saying shit like this.

Fuck this stupid drm war. both of them only effect the developer's pockets. It shouldn't be my concern.

Steam has done a lot of harm to devs over the years. 30% cut, flooding the market with anyone's joeblow game for a small fee, and their unstructured rules on what can and cannot be sold

>Inb4 a bunch of Pcbros start making death threats to the guy despite him speaking the truth
Not like it hasn't happened before.

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Literally "SUCK MY DICK CHOKE ON IT" tier.

He's right. Why wouldn't developers go where they can be more profitable?

Would he be indystry's Indie darling if he did?

>Valve (drones) gets turned into Pcbros
Guess it was hurting peoples pwecious fee-fees.

>both of them only effect the developer's pockets
It affects the consumers too with sales, customer service features and more.

Who?

>Titanfall will be forgotten, Zelda lives forever

Well, he's right.

Sold more than the previous Metro title did at launch.

>Rami Ismail
talking head retard

>all the games people "own" on the epic store will vanish when the run out of fortnite money
It's going to be beautiful

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if most of the devs move to Epic, you'll have no choice but to buy from there

100% this, I've had steam for years so i'll stick with it. But theres no fucking way im installing anymore launchers, not origin, not ubiplay or whatever the fuck it's called, none. Pretty sure i've got free games i've acquired from humble bundle and other shit, on the other non-steam platforms, and i've actively pirated them because I cant be fucked installing different launchers for my other games

Lol. I wonder what the store algorithm is gonna do to his games now. Probably gonna get removed from all recommended and "more like this" lists.

fpbp

>not liking Luftrausers

Shit taste detected

Isn't Ismail a leftie commie cuck?
Why is he for brutal capitalism all of a sudden?

Steam is literally the only reason indie devs have a real shot at making any money the last 10 years. Young people have a hard time remembering the days when you had to either get a publisher or get fucked.

>Everything about PC gaming for consumers and actual smaller indie devs gets worse due to Epic's shit
>Devs who were already popular and would have no trouble getting on Epic's curated store are in support of it

Color me fucking surprised

> Rami
> Developer

Literally fucking who?

Finish Nuclear Throne faggot

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Tencent can only bribe developers for so long before it stops being lucrative.

So you're weirdly loyal to Steam and very lazy?

>People ITT: WTF HOW DARE YOU BE AGAINST VALVE HAVING A MONOPOLY ON THE PC MARKET, DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS FOR OUR LORD AND SAVIOR GABEN???

>the only thing I will argue in Valve’s favour is that it was a game that was up from pre-order that was pulled

That is the entire fucking point. That's like 90% of the outrage. If they had declared it an epic store exclusive from the start, you know, some places like Yea Forums might have still reacted negatively, but the shitstorm would never have been anywhere like it.

absolute retard comment

it's startling how quickly people justify standard oil business practices when it's "our guy".

Nah, now Switch is where the money is at.

>Luftrausers
um excuse me, that game traffics in Nazi tropes and imagery. I think it's high time this White Male gets cancelled

or i can just pirate?

Commies are always for capitalism when it benefits them

And the numbers? Where are they, Mason?

>PC virgins are also giant Nintendo soi boys
color me shocked

glad I never bought their game
pirated it, played it for 30 minutes & realized it's a fucking garbage game & uninstalled it
thank god I spent my money on gungeon instead

>He says, as his company still relies heavily on Steam's services for their games' continued support
Also Rami is a fucking faggot, he steals code and tries to push each game as being worked by a different "developer" so it seems like a new kid entered the ring when really it's the same exact people doing a front company.

tiananmen square massacre

This. I want to see these pretentious indie devs have to go back to shit like desura or indiegala.

Switch is where the money is at because it gets about 1 game every 3 months. Try actually saturating that market and see what happens.

Epic offers absolutely nothing positive for the consumer, they're another Origin until that changes so until then yes I'm sticking with Steam and GOG.

>muh chinese boogeyman

Some self-important SJW indie dev that made like 2 games and now mostly gets paid to talk about diversity.

Nobody is saying context Steam's power. What we're saying is Tencent and Epic are going about it in fucking scummy ways. First Metro Exodus and now Phoenix Point have both been snatched from Steam players who have already put money down.

This is the best tencent's money can hire? Take my (You), poorfag

Isn't Rami just a talking head?

>never bought nuclear throne because it never ever went on sale
>now I never will

Sucks to suck I guess LOL time to continue pirating it

the previous release was a fucking trainwreck at launch. 2.5 of jack shit is jack shit.

Cry fucking harder Steamcuck. Go cry about the Chinese some more.

>valve
>monopoly

zzzzz

google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/metro-exodus/metro-exodus-sales?amp

>this person hurt my pwecious fee-fees, good luck getting a purchase out of someone who never intended to buy your game anyway

Why are game devs so arrogant?

You make glorified interactive books. Thats it.

Not defending Valve, but just saying this industry lacks professionalism. Its honestly pretty embarrassing if you were an investor.

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You haven't looked at the weekly list of eShop releases, have you?

i use GoG, dumbfuck. this exclusivity bullshit harms GoG users just as much as it does steam, if not worse since GoG is smaller and steam can weather out the storm.

Baby gonna cry?

why should i care about this has-been when he can't even be assed to uncap fps on nuclear throne. fucking incompetent buffoon

Never played this guy's games but that's a boycott from me, dawg.

@455221247
10 chinkmoneys have been deposited to you're account

>Isn't Ismail a leftie commie cuck?
yes, he's laughing at valve for crying over capitalism fucking them over.

Keep it up, more devs added to my shit-list.

Also,
>Rami Ismail
>Dutch
Thankfully I don't like rogue shites.

>Nuclear Throne dev

That jew cunt never puts that game on sale

Never downloaded fortnight or their client, never will

Bribes are illegal. Therefore they're not business, nigger.

youtube.com/watch?v=j3glwtXrj0c

He is paki, user. We are ugly, but not THAT ugly.

How about you stop this year long exclusivity shite to try and force people to use your platform and actually offer a better service than what already exists instead, Tim?

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literally all they've done is bought out developers so they can hold their games hostage on a platform that has less than half the features and is inferior in every way so people will use it. fuck chinks.

>Asks for numbers
>Gets vague 'we sold x times units' with no mention of where those sold units were from
Who wants to bet it still sold more on Steam?

when it was still on steam

I'm sure your boycott where you were already spending zero dollars will be very effective, user.

>Rami Ismail
One of the biggest pieces of shit in the industry

I think it's hilarious that you fags actually think I'm a PC gamer. Damn son, lighten up.

>tranny devs really think I'll go out of my way to buy their shit games
I'll just go back to pirating their shit, assuming they make anything noteworthy.

Noooo don't post facts or you're just a steam fanboy!!!! Noooook

>t. Wang
>t. Shen

Well is Epic going to out business the Pirate?

>we sold more, trust us

lol

It hurts GoG doubly since GoG was already the curated indie platform. Epic is explicitly getting on their turf. Steam still has AAA titles and whatnot that GoG would never sell and Epic would generally not buy out.

Based and capitalistpilled

>Presented with facts and sources
>NUH UH STEAM GOOD

gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-02-17-uk-charts-far-cry-new-dawn-is-no-1-but-metro-exodus-is-the-real-winner

What did valve do to hurt these devs?
Isn't it also a 30% cut on consoles?

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Providing a better service is hard. Throwing fortnite money around is much easier.

This shit boils my blood. Tencent literally owns FORTY-FUCKING-EIGHT PERCENT of Epic. You know, the giant Chinese megacorporation that has been slowly taking over fucking everything? Remember when Player's Unknown Battleground was popular, but then he was going to be an idiot and sue Fortnite for copying him? Tencent slapped their cock on the counter and pointed out that they owned the engine he used, Blue Hole, and even after redacting his lawsuit, look where his game is now in comparison. Remember DotA 2? League of Legends doesn't. Remember World of Warcraft? Tencent owns $2.5 BILLION of assets in ACTIVISION. The fucking company has its goddamn fingers under everyone's veins and people just guffaw and go, "Welp! I enjoy it and it doesn't bother me, so I don't care!".

The Chinese do not care for your feelings. They do not care for your happiness. They care about money and nothing else. Steam became as popular and beloved as it is because it genuinely cares about its developers and its playerbase. It's only when someone waggles money in front of other's faces is when they start thinking Steam is evil - the less profitable always seems less legitimate in the eyes of the greedy. Rather than earn the trust of developers, or incentivising them with their platform and sales percentages, they're buying them straight-out with fistfulls of cash and brining them. Rather than earn the trust of the customer playerbase, or incentivising them them with their platform, they're blackmailing them with the games they were promised they'd get on Steam only to be bait-and-switched for a year-later release date, if at all. It's underhanded and disgusting and everything anti-consumerism. Fucking wake up, those of you sleeping sheep who don't realize how much of a problem this is. Don't be the good goy. Don't fall for this Epic failure.

If you want cheap games for Steam, GOG or CDKeys. Boom.

He's officially listed as the lead programmer, one of those shitty indie game documentaries he was in he fellated himself the entire time as being a genius coder.
>"Oh yeah I totes grew up on NES and knew that they were made using basic which is why I too learned basic as a little kid I am a genius!"
What really happens is he steals code off other peoples' projects or existing games which is why all those vlambeer titles are just basic games that have extremely similar or extremely by the numbers gameplay formats.

at least Steam is not Chinese spyware

I can tell you're not Tim since you're so hell-bent on fucking up the PC market even more with shady shit.

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It's not really being weirdly loyal. Steam has been around for fucking ages for a lot of people. Having multiple different launchers with different games is just a clusterfuck after a while and most would rather not deal with it for no reason.

>First three results are about the game being dead on arrival
I mean if you want me to care about your games, you gotta not be a massive faggot every time you open your mouth.

>UK charts
So, specifically not PC sales, since that's all physical?

I wonder how long their "promised return" or however they worded it is gonna last, they clearly have mountains of zoomer parents money from fortnite but literally paying to build a library can only go so far, not to mention the better games are still on steam, munch up short lived shit like this doesn't seem like a good long term plan, unless they actually think fortnite is gonna be a forever thing

The numbers?

based chinese, fuck americans and europeans

30% cut is the industry standard. People aren't "going to Epic" because of the lower cut though. They are doing these deals because Epic is paying them tons of cash. If the cut was the issue they would just release it on every platform because that is the sound business decision.

Why am I supposed to side with Epic instead of Valve?

TWITCH VIEWS DO NOT EQUAL SALES

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR E-CELEB FELLATING BRAIN

>Nuclear Throne
Should be updating his shitty game instead.

GoG offers a better service than Steam and it still did not beat Steam. Epic knows they won't beat Steam with things consumers want, they have to play dirty

You fags need to stop fucking crying about this shit all the time then. Competition is ALWAYS going to exist. Deal with it.

Hurrrrrrrrrrr

google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2019/03/20/no-steam-no-problem-metro-exodus-sells-huge-on-the-epic-store-epic-announces-new-exclusives/amp/

This, fuck the chinks, I will never use epic not because of any dumb loyalty to steam, but because actually fuck the chinese

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It reflects popularity.
Metro was forgotten a week after it came out, which means it had no legs.

>let me post the same link again
lmao

Man you would not have lasted in the days of home-made boot discs.

>rami salami
>pirates your game
Sucks to be you, man

Valve made Half Life 2 though

This is hardly competition. It's forcing people to use a worse service to play their games.

>facts
Your fact is that Metro: Exodus sold 2.5x more within the 'release window' than Last Light did in the same timeframe. That I believe. What I don't believe is the implication that even half of those sales were on Epic's store

>Devs getting bribed with millions of dollars to pull game set to release on Steam not a month before, with zero warning
>Dude that's just business lol
Good thing I sent the GOG copy of Nuclear Throne to like 10 different people LOL
Fuck you Rami

Their plan is probably to just keep doing this until people have enough games on their launcher that they are less opposed to just buying games there outright.

Also, these deals aren't exactly what people make them out to be. Epic promises them a certain number of sales are guaranteed, so if they promise, say, 100k sales and they actually sell 100k, Epic doesn't spend a dime. The more successful Epic gets, the less Epic actually has to spend. If Epic actually becomes a successful platform, they could snag literally everything remotely decent and spend very little.

Explain how it's a worse service then other than it not being your dev of choice.

>They care about money and nothing else
I wish. They care about spreading their retarded system around the entire world. And most of our politicians are happy to let them. They will NOT be satisfied until Mao's influence covers the globe and everyone is a disposable worker ant with no capacity for empathy or free thought.

The Chinese are not people.

>PC gaming was finally on an upswing
>Epic comes along and 'competes' by being a literally malicious monopoly
Good stuff

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>epic store
>outbusinessing anything
>on a level with steamworks

lmao
k

As always Ismail is mostly blowing hot air. Sure competition ain't bad. Sure Valve can cut those commission rates. Sure Metro Exodus can go for the better deal.

But there is no better shop and partnership with better financial data out there than steamworks. The Metro Exodus devs have the privilege to switch to Epic Store because it's the third game in the series and they got their target group down. Those guys will buy the game on the Epic Store too.

And that makes the big difference that Ismail is ignoring.
If Vlambeer actually pulled off the same thing for a new game, that would KILL their sales numbers.

So in conclusion, he ain't got nothing to say so he says some dumb shit, so he stays relevant just for a tiny bit longer, so he can push his newgrounds flash-tier games over the counter.

As always. Nothing to see.

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No. No it does not. Some games (like MOST single player RPGs) do not perform well on Twitch. Multiplayer games perform much better. Just look at Fortnut, any MOBA, Apex, literally any BR game.

The notion that Twitch views = sales or even = popularity is ludicrous.

Fate/GO is the most profitable video game on the planet and it barely cracks 300 views on Twitch. Twitch views are not an indication of popularity or sales.

/thread

Neither would 95% of consumers. The whole selling point of digital distribution is convenience
You didn't need a different drive for each disk

So why do they keep advertising their shit on steam? Is it because nobody wants to install epic no matter how much they give the devs?
>haha we moved to this anti-consumer platform so we can get 10% more from sales suck it... >but we going to use steam as advertising because they have a larger userbase and would make us more money but we want steam users to switch over to epic in droves and make us a fuck ton of money.

>It's a Rami says something edgy for attention again episode

This guy's such a fucking whore and thirsty for attention he's doing his own self produced "GDC" online like Minecraft World did.

>Monopoly
>Has nowhere near Steam's market share

Boy you're not smart, user

And there we go again. Next user is gonna enumerate the hundred things Steam does that EGS doesn't and you're gonna move the goalpost of go "NUH HUH, DOESN'T MEAN SHIT BECAUSE X NOW SHOW ME HOW EPIC IS WORST". And the debate will go from "How is Epic a worse service" to "No u" in a matter of 2 to 3 replies.

This, can't believe how many people are suddenly bending the knee to Valve just because they have some real competition all of a sudden.

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Why do people have such loyalty to valve?
I just want to play video games. Doesnt matter to me from where I buy it.

Valve never played the exclusivity game. I will never support Epic

Tencent could easily pay for it. That'd be pocket change for them. Tough knowing how malicious they are I wouldn't be suprised if their board members push for Epic to throw more and more money out of the window to burn trough it and then just buy them out.

Stop acting like fucking children then.

>Twitch views are not an indication of popularity or sales
They are on release days

I'm so glad I never switched to Unreal Engine like I once planned

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I expect steam to stay the way it is, or they'll start negotiating revenue shares for access deals. They will never buy exclusivity because they don't have to.

Generally before there was sufficient RAM in PCs, you did need two drives to do most things.

My point is this is such a minor inconvenience that the average Joe will not care. Plenty of people have more than one streaming service subscription. This is even lower cost of entry than that.

Even though you moved the goalposts, fine. There are still no reviews, no refunds, no community hubs, no workshop, retarded amount less games, and sales. Only being an exclusive consoletard or living under a rock would make you ignorant of these very obvious differences.

he's right BUT that doesn't mean I'm gonna buy those games on the fucking epic store lmao

>It sucks but then so did Steam when it first appeared and it was the only way to get Half Life 2
Valve made both Steam and Half Life 2 you fucking cunt

GoG definitely does not offer a better service than Steam.
The worst shit being region pricing.

>arguing against a company that doesnt even make games anymore controlling the entire pc gaming distribution market is bad
fuck off valvecuck

they are a decent metric specially on launch date.
Comapre the dmc to metro.

>Tfw healthcare is China is fucked
>If you get involved with someone who was in an accident, their financial liability becomes yours
>So people who get eaten by escalators, stabbed in computer cafes, fall down elevators, fall through sidewalks or get mowed down in traffic are literally ignored and avoided
>People who aren't injured and don't need help will try to scam each other by faking inflicted injuries, like jumping out in front of cars
>It has become so engrained in the Chinese brain to pull the wool over others to use them for every drop of blood they have than better one another and enjoy life

They're actual, literal fucking zombies, and the infection is spreading.

Hes actually just a pr guy iirc

>Devs pay Lirik, Ninja, or Shroud to play their game on release day
>their cult watches the stream

No. Try again sweetie.

Valve held a virtual monopoly for the better part of a decade, you mong. There were even physically released PC games that required Steam to play.

>opposing shitty consumer practices = loyalty to valve
How about you stop being a diskngenuous cunt and actually take on the arguements presented head on, double nigger.

But this wont matter since you've clearly already made your mind up. Improve your service Tim and people will be more willing to use your store. Twisting peoples arms to get them to use your store is only going to push people away.

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haha epic racism my dudes, i love being a gamer

>making games has something to do with managing a storefront
Not only that you're wrong, the whole idea behind that equivalency is retarded beyond any reasoning.

fucking BASED

I want to play video games too user but holding games hostage to make people use your store with less features isn't really a good way to go about things.

Twitch is increasingly being used as an advertising platform. Companies are using popular streamers to advertise their games to their fans. If you see an ad for Anthem on your TV, do you immediately stop and think "Wow, Anthem sure is selling well."

Reminder that Rami "broken clock" Esmail is emblematic of everything wrong with the indie game "community" and is a part of the elite clique within it. He's never gotten over the fact that any one of his friends make to the next level and cut ties with him is a betrayal like he was the one who helped make them who they are.

youtube.com/watch?v=PZn9a9-Gyc0

Why are publishers so fucking spineless?
They'd literally jump off a cliff if they'd see a wad of 1 million dollars being dropped off.

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BASED

Because the competition is worse, retard.

>It was worse back then so you should consider yourself lucky!
That has absolutely zero relevance. People want convenience, having games on one launcher is more convenient than multiple launchers. What are you not getting about this?

This. It doesn't even matter if the game is a pile of shit at that point, getting guaranteed money with zero risk. Customers and reviewers can impotently cry about voting with their wallets all they like. Wouldn't make a difference if 100% pirate because Epic picks up the tab with their gamedev welfare gibs anyway.

I dont know any of those, should I?

Epic is paying for exclusivity. The console wars have come to PC

>it's another edition of obnoxious fez tier dev angrily lectures everyone

Yet another reason to say: Fuck Epic and their shitty indie preachers.

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>or they'll start negotiating revenue shares for access deals
Never going to happen, because it's not going to attract more market share when epic is giving people money to not be on other people's platform (not just on steam btw).
>They will never buy exclusivity because they don't have to.
Lol you're retarded.

The Metro Exodus buisness was unfair to their consumers. That's what they said in their statement. I don't expect chink man to understand.

>facts are racist
Cry harder chong.

I fucking hate vlambeer, I already own nuclear throne but they said they'd put it on sale after it left EA yet it has NEVER EVA been on sale ONCE on steam and it went out of EA almost 2 years ago? Plus the game being $12 instead of $10 is retarded.

Epic = Sony
Steam = Nintendo
Blizzard Bnet = Sega

oh you're one of the "facts don't care about your feelings" parroters. show me some sources on your "facts" my dude

>please dont talk about snakes i just cant get dick out of my mind

First two are solid 7/10 games

He conveniently forgot about the full quote which stated that it's unfair to CONSUMERS.

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>that pic
Imagine being as much of a cuck as this guy lmao

Rami Ismail is legitimately one of the biggest faggots alive. If he died tomorrow the world would be better off.

if you wanted to make the comparison battle net is nintendo
its one platform so you can only play just blizzard and nothing else

>facts don't care about your feelings
Yeah, that's the point of them Chang. I know, you're too used to cheat and not learn so that might be an unkown concpet to you.

It's not inconvenient. They're free platforms. Consumers are obviously willing to accept more inconvenience than that because people currently do in their digital lives with multiple streaming services. It's a near non-issue.

Irony being he refuses to put Nuclear Throne on sale on steam, and he'll probably never put it on discounted on Epic either. Even the devs of Skullgirls struggled for a while to sell copies but they never backed away from putting it on sale. Which is fine because there's dozens of better rogue-likes that are cheaper and frankly much better than his gravy train riding ass little game.

>I just want to play videogames
>dev pulls game from one store due to $ thrown at them
>I just wanna play videogames crowd follows
>dev pulls game from that store to another
>I just wanna play videogames crowd follows again
How many times are you gonna do that until you realize that your view of just wanting to play video games enables them to bait you into any position they want you to have?

Its not Valve loyalty that makes people cautious of Epic store, its knowing not to blindly jump from one ship to the next.

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Imagine being a shiteating steamcuck lmao

The only semi-notable one was nuclear throne because it got shilled on Yea Forums endlessly only to get usurped by enter the gungeon which was nuclear throne but actually good and full of content

>Valvebabs throwing a huge hissy fit ITT
lmao

He constantly bitches about being pulled aside and checked by TSA at the airport like it's a part of his overall gamer identity.

They have 100 percent of the market share of most the games they sell.

Oh the screenshake guy

Hahaha OK, why are indie devs such consistent lol cows.

It's representational of what the business field will become, an anti-consumer chess match of big money that won't compete for our dollars but compete within their own rules like a lot of big business today is not about competing it's regulating and aggressive moves against other businesses, these are also all fields where consumers are fucked (like ISPs or airlines). What'll happen is this "competition" if it reaches crescendo is Valve will start doing buyout deals also, and not just deals because devs don't want that they want front page marketing billing over their competition, so big name publishers and devs will play Steam and Epic against each other to not only make more "guaranteed" money but to push out any form of smaller developer/publisher competition. And since Valve and Epic will want to make a return on their "guarantee money" they'll have incentive to give these games top billing, and since these deals also mutually exclude smaller platforms and any future larger platforms from attempting to enter the market it'll kill everything but Epic and Steam. Not to mention devs/publishers will be encouraged to develop games that would more likely get high sales and monetization options to get these exclusive deals since they'd be more lucrative to Epic/Steam.

Plus Epic in particular is a company with a lot of big name stockholders, they won't want to watch them bleed forever so as their userbase grows they'll inch their lower cut of game sales for anyone who doesn't have an exclusive deal higher to appease their shareholders and offset their contract/marketing costs leaving once again smaller devs fucked. There's no win for the consumer at any portion of this future market, it's happened time and time again to other industries in the last twenty years and considering the non gaming outside investors that are piling in to the industry it only makes sense it'll shift this way.

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>this jew talking when he left nuclear throne in a buggy state for an entire year and then abandons it

Which is a very very small segment of the overall PC gaming market.

Learn what a monopoly is before you post

There's a physical PC version. It's right down that hallway to your left, just head on down those stairs and don't mind the light. It hasn't worked in years. Heheheheh

Based Chinese bugspray

BASED POSTER

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i have get games from both steam and GOG
no other launcher has anything of value outside of locking away a bunch of games behind it

>Are these statistics including the sales numbers for Exodus when it was still listed on Steam?
>Are these statistics only counting transactions made on Epic Games Store itself?
>Does it take into account that the last Metro game, Last Light, was in 2013 (2014 Redux), and that the PC market has grown considerably in the 5-6 years since?
>Are these statistics only including sales numbers for Metro Last Light, or is Metro Last Light Redux also being counted?
>Are these statistics only counting transactions made for Metro Last Light (Redux) on Steam itself? Are Steam key resellers being included?
>Is the money that Epic Games gave the developer/publisher for exclusivity rights being counted as part of the sales numbers?
>Are these statistics measuring sales numbers or revenue/profit made from sales?
>Would Metro Exodus sold better on Steam if it had released on both Steam and Epic Games Store at the same time?
Every time one of you retards tries to pass this off

and why should i care about anything this faggot has ever said

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ching chang chung

Explain how Steam isn't a monopoly on PC gaming.

The hero we need.

You have clearly never gone to China or met a non-integrated Chinese. Scamming non-speaking people is literally a pastime for them. They'll hike up the price of something they're selling if you can't outright understand them, and if you call them out for their bullshit, they won't flinch. It's not racism. It's the actual truth. Feel free to look for yourself, or keep yourself safe and secure under your little blanket.

>455224143
>455224216
>samefagging this hard and thinking people wouldn't notice
No (You) for such lazy shitposting.

Rami is just mad that he is no longer in an exclusive club.
He still has his hipster indie dev friends, but he no longer has special privilege with Steam and his product has to compete with all the other games on Steam now.
I'd wager that Steam has made more millionaires since greenlight started than any other storefront.

rabid SJW who makes pixelshit

Its worse than that. In China if a driver injures a pedestrian in a car accident they are forced to pay for his medical bills for life. So the cockroaches figured out that its way cheaper to just back up over the pedestrian and essentially commit manslaughter.

>this jew

He's Iranian, not that it matters but he would far less annoying if he were Jewish.

Because he makes Valvebronies SCREAM

Epic:
Devs get 10% cut if product sells over a million units.
Devs get 90% cut if product sells under a million.

Steam
30% cut for everyone.

Epic was made for AAA developers.

fpwbf

>Mods delete 1989 Tiananmen Square post
Explain yourselves.

At least Epic still makes games :)

>What'll happen is this "competition" if it reaches crescendo is Valve will start doing buyout deals also
When they do that they'll be dead to me, but until then...

>defending anticustomer practices

Btw does anybody still remember the dumpster fire called fallout76 and how they released it on their "besheda platform" where you cant refund the game?

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Twitch can be used to determine interest with PC games. It's not hard to manipulate streamers to flaunt your goods. Word of mouth isn't substantial anymore and "journalist" are just tabloid writers and agenda pushers.

his games are absolute piece of ass shit.
Fez or free version of Knytt are worth more than his entire shitawful library of generic gameplay ripoffs and lazy assets

I can buy pc games on GoG, Humble, Battlenet, Origin, and a billion other sites. Maybe you should go back to english class Chang and learn what a monopoly is?

chinese are literally censoring the internet with all the money they have

So basically you'll try to come up with any excuse to mitigate the game's success, got it, thanks for clarifying, user.

>the only thing I will argue in Valve’s favour is that it was a game that was up from pre-order that was pulled
So he agrees with Valve. Why was he mad then?

Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough explanation. Sadly, it may likely end up going ignored or misunderstood by this lot here.

Jan seems like a dude who just wants to make games. Games do need advertising and publicity, and Rami, for better or worse, brings that to their relationship. I do think eventually one will outgrow the other though.

>Twitch can be used to determine interest with PC games.
Interest in watching PC games on Twitch, which doesn't necessarily translate to a sale, derp

Console wars happen because exclusivity means you have to buy another console.
On pc exclusivity means installing another client.

BTFO LMAO

>Rami is just mad that he is no longer in an exclusive club.
And fucking how. Just ask anyone, but the first sign was when Notch sold Minecraft to Microsoft and then cut off all contact with the indie crew. Rami didn't take that too well and has this delusion that the indie crew was going to change the world, but still chooses to remain in his 20s state of mind that he'll get out of his self-imposed holding pattern.

Because doesn't have de facto power to dictate who does or does not get to operate on the market. They are in a position as the most favored store by consumers.

Very based and redpilled.

>What do you do? More money or sacrifice your customers good will towards your product and company
There's never just one choice

>Man you would not have lasted in the days of home-made boot discs.
Back in the days of discs you put in the disk and clicked an icon now this bullshit happens
>Buy a game
>Launches steam
>Launches uplay/origin
>Launches it's own launcher
>Launches an options pop-up
>Unskippable dev custscenes

Or mods are pruning unrelated shitposting for once.

More likely it's counting all of those pre-orders of the game when it was still on Steam that got transferred over.

>For life

What in the actual fuck? Color me shocked in disbelief, but I'd believe it.

That sounds to me like he wasn't mocking valve at all, fucking journalists want to corrupt the world and I hope the nightmares that plague them at night from their morally reprehensible behaviour catch up with them.

So the lowest bar to entry conceptually imaginable.

>Yea Forums always tries to say that freedom of speech is important just so they can call other nationalities racial slurs
>But whenever someone else expresses their right to free speech they start making death threats and threatening to not support a product they had no intentions of supporting in the first place
Holy mother of cringe.

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When they try to return to Steam all their games should be heavily discounted

Because competitors like GoG, GMG, Uplay, Origin, and Discord exist you absolute fucking brainless troglodyte.
Popular =/= monopoly you stupid dipshit

all the shitass jewest of jew devs are getting exposed

This journalists are evil people.

why the hell is this dumb thread so active

it is a retarded no name SJW who said that, get a clue niggers

Boy, you know how I know you grew up in a post-DOS world?

You don't even know what a boot disc is. It ain't a CD or DVD, numbnuts.

> Epic offers absolutely nothing positive for the consumer
Countless grants for developers. Valve never did that.

>It's not inconvenient to have different accounts on different platforms because other people are okay with inconveniences elsewhere
I don't think people are okay with it for the most part, different streaming services offer different shows or some are locked to specific regions.

fuck off chink

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>criticizing retarded opinions is silencing their free speech
Retard

Yes.

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EA is a titan compared to Valve

Yet they never used their FIFAbux to buy exclusivity deals with other developers

Meanwhile Epic alone is tiny compared to Valve

Yet Chinese shekels have allowed them to bribe publishers and developers to bait and switch Valve and Steam users

Tiananmen Square Massacre 1989

Go away bugmen.

Stop defending EGS. It's a shitty launcher.

I don’t want to be like that, but I am. I’m not using fucking Origin and I only have the Blizzard launcher because I played WoW forever. You think I’m going to put more shit on my computer just to play a game who’s name I can barely remember? Fuck that.

True, I wouldn't call Steam a monopoly anymore. They absolutely were up until around 2010.

they he's not right. the only one who takes a hit from this is consumers. just like valve says.

Steam bueiness will not even get a fucking dent. from this move.

"Clients" aren't some web browser cookies, they're expansive DRM software which have implications for how your computer runs over all(not even getting into the spyware stuff). To make it more clear, imagine if you had to install multiple versions of Norton Anti-virus just to be able to play games, and then think about how that affects the OS and software performance. Then there's having your games bound to multiple "accounts" tied to corporations with varying levels of trustworthiness.

But that's not hindering their right to free speech at all, user.

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doesn't work on me fatboy

watch as this gets deleted because of chink mods

How old are you, 50?
Fuck off Grandpa games weren't worth playing in DOS days they're all trash

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good, fuck valve, fuck steam and fuck gabe, steam turned to fucking shit 3 years ago at least, just fucking endless cashgrab garbage games made with quick cash in mind

no new portal? no new half life? no new left4dead? time to bring the heat or get the fuck out of the kitchen old and fat king valve

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I TOLD WITCH DOCTAH I WAS IN LOVE WIT YOU
HE SAY
CHING CHANG CHONG NIP NIP NONG NONG

And yet people consistently subscribe to multiple services because of exclusive content. You don't even need to pay to access these launchers.

为什么?

They took the game off Razer Game Store btw

>years ago everyone loved Steam
>slowly everyone on Yea Forums started to hate Steam for no real reason
>Now a worse client is stealing games from other clients and Yea Forums thinks this is good.

If you hate Steam then you should really hate EGS, I mean how are you going to tell me a client that has less features then Steam is somehow better? Oh because Devs get more money? Yea I guess thats worth not having forums or reviews or cloud saves or a wishlist or gifting or anything else that Steam has.

No, because other competitors still existed. How many times do you need to be told before your thick heads absorbs it? POPULAR =/= MONOPOLY. Fucking graduate high school, fuck's sake.

Rami Ismail has no problems telling you about the invisible hand of the market... that is, until it crosses his lib agenda of equality of outcome.

He’s probably one of the worst in the game industry today, specially considering how irrelevant his games are.

Imagine releasing a game locked to 30 FPS on PC and then giving any input on PC gaming politics.

this.
I haven't bought a EA game since Battle for Middle Earth 2 and yet I trust them more than Epic at the moment.

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>no one is trying to get Raimi Is Small banned off Twitter
>indie devs are dead center of the lefty clique that does this on the regular
>Yea Forums is happy to use their free speech to make fun of this obnoxious imbecile

I think your understanding of free speech and who supports it is a small bit flawed friendo.

the absolute cope, pcbros on suicide watch

39, yeah

That made me sad for you. There are many wonderful titles from the DOS era, and I'm sad you'll never discover them or find joy in playing them.

I see it as sort of a prisoner's dilemma. For consumers, the best solution is if companies don't make exclusive deals outside of what they personally develop. So long as Valve has market dominance and maintains their policy of only keeping Valve games exclusive to steam, you have this as the status quo, but should another company reach a large enough status and acquire it through buyout deals, then it changes the entire dynamic since it is always better for your own store to push exclusives for your own platform regardless of whether your competition is doing it or not so if that occurs with a big enough rival, you got a new status quo of everyone making exclusives, which stabilizes because that is what you need to compete, which is worse for the consumer than the prior state.

lmao imagine if ES never existed

I bet that fatfuck would never release any fucking games

>just fucking endless cashgrab garbage games made with quick cash in mind
Be honest user, how many of those garbage games did you actually see? You have to be actively looking at and buying some real trash for Steam's algorithm to start suggesting them to you

Most of these companies are small private companies and have few, if any, investors not involved in day to day operations.
Steam is reportedly owned by GabeN exclusively (though there may be a silent partner in there), we know Tencent owns about 40% of epic, with reports that Tim Sweeney owns 50%+.
Basically this is a dick measuring contest between two multimillionaire/billionaires.

>>slowly cabals of tencent paid shills on Yea Forums started to hate Steam for no real reason, catching many morons in their web of propaganda just like flat earthers and anti vaxxers do

Fixed that for you.

That doesn't change the fact that it's inconvenient. People do inconvenient things because it's all that's offered to them. What's your point?

These retards don't even get Halo

Shouldn't you picking up your kids from school?
>There are many wonderful titles from the DOS era, and I'm sad you'll never discover them or find joy in playing them.
Any of them worth playing have been remade into actually good games, like Elite Dangerous

I wish Jan told Rami to fuck off already

I'm a consumer. I'm not a developer. I literally don't give a shit. If the platform offers nothing for me I'm not installing spyware.

GOG only existed from 2008. One competitor "existing" doesn't mean Steam wasn't a fucking monopoly. From 2010 onwards you saw many more publishers creating their own distribution platforms. THAT is when it stopping being a monopoly. Fucking retard.

Meant to be towards

Steam has coexisted with GoG or Uplay during many time. You had choices.
Now some chinks force you to either get it on their store or not having it at all despite being available in your platform.
Inbreds like you cannot see it or what.

>real competition
How many games does the epic store have? 15?

this senpai

>huuurrrr what is DOSBox

Because it might give us a chance to see some no. 3 games from Valve when the steam bucks won't be enough anymore and they need some advertisement for their platform.

It really is just the same shit in a different color tho.

>literally who: the dev
he is just trying to be relevant since nobody ever heard of his game.

NIGGER

Tell Gabe to get off both of his metric-ton kike asscheeks and fire whoever keeps censoring loli games but keeping up shota shit.

Then maybe I'll give a fuck about Cleveland Steamer

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Companies the size of epic and microsoft can be trusted to not steal my bank account.
I already consider my windows PC backdoored.

They walk home, no worries.

I know you're just trolling, but still, made me a little sad. Is Elite Dangerous good?

boy I know you chinks don't understand English that well but that user said "nothing positive for the consumer".

The dev getting some more money does not benefit the consumer.

My point is it's the smallest inconvenience imaginable, and less inconvenient than something most already do. The reaction to Steam having competition has been completely overblown.

If he ever makes a game worth playing I'll give a shit.

bribing people to make a game exclusive to your platform is absolutely reprehensible. But is he not correct in that regardless its just better from a developer standpoint to host your game on the Epic store? Is that not what he's saying when he means valve got out-businessed?

The developer isn't the consumer you fucking goon.

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This shitty indie dev just wants Steam to step in to the buying exclusivity race so maybe he gets one side to pay for his shitty indie games

I for one welcome the Epic store. I hope it becomes a competator. If it means more power to Chinks for the cost of valve to get off their ass and make games again im all for it.

I'm not saying he can't use DOSbox but he's clearly unwilling if that's his viewpoint.

This, but unironically.

>being the first successful business on the ground floor and others taking years to catch up means you're monopoly
Nope. Nobody called Apple a monopoly.

>mfw Valve removes Nuclear Throne from the Steam store and says "sucks to be you :^)"

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Yes, I do want to download another featureless/community-less "store front" run by data mining Chinese and the shitters fucking company ever. Neck yourself chink.

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I think you mean Microsoft.

Apple's market share in the home PC market was much smaller than Valve's in the PC gaming distribution market.

Valve and epic should burn. If you bought any game released in the last 15 years you're a fool

Based, don't let the chink mods knock you down

>It really is just the same shit in a different color tho.
I'm still waiting for a sale on the Epic Store by the way. Same shit? My ass.

>Because it might give us a chance to see some no. 3 games
Who the fuck wants that?

Which they also weren't, since CP/M was a competitor to MS-DOS during the 80s.

It's not bribery when it's sponsorship. Look at US congress.

Nuclear throne is quite good.

I'm not trolling, anything good in a DOSbox game is the concept and your imagination filled in the blanks and if it had legs it's remade for the modern era
Elite Dangerous is what your child brain pretended Elite was, there's a reason it's filled to the brim with boomers

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Developers are consumers. They use a service to sell their games.

discord store offers 100% cut yet nobodys releasing games there

How? Steam is constantly adding all kids of shit for better or worse. Meanwhile you have uplay, origin, battlenet, etc that literally don't change anything and then you have epic who comes out with less features that every other storefront ever and it's the worst botnet since origin

Great, glad you agree it is inconvenient.
>Having competition
Lets calm it down a bit here, having some year exclusivity to some games doesn't suddenly make it competition. Steam is firmly, safely settled where it is and unless it shuts down, epic's launcher won't even really come close. They're just shooting themselves in the foot trying to save money, but ultimately causing less sales all around.

>Vac banned babies in this thread.

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switching to epic makes you lose an insane amount of customers
also the actual developers dont actually choose to switch to epic
its the publishers

free speech does not guarantee freedom from being criticized

Why do retards pretend games like RE2, AC7, Devil May Cry 5, Sekiro and Silksong don't exist? The need to believe in something is that great?

I don't know, user, Supaplex is still pretty fucking rad, and I don't know of many modern equivalents. Definitely not just my imagination filling in the blanks.

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>So basically you'll try to come up with any excuse to mitigate the game's success
>M:LL
>success

lmao chang

>producers are consumers of the middleman merchant they host their product on

>steam
>offer better prices
>better community tools
>bigger library of games and more openness to indie niche titles
>Epic
>surviving only on exclusives bought from third party
>shit community tools and consumer support
>spyware
>limited selection of games

Why do you people want to see Steam fail?
It is literally superior to Epic in every aspect. There is literally nothing to brag in favor of Epic.
Why do people want Steam shut? They have the monopoly yes, but they never went power hunger by exploiting the consumers with unfair prices and terrible consumer support.

If I made a game about Tienanmen Square do you think I could get Epic Games to crack an exclusivity guaranteed sales deal with me?

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When Steam first appeared it did so on the back of the Orange box, a deal that was the best value in gaming at the time: Portal TF2 and HL2 for the price of one game as long as you installed them through Steam. It is still probably the best pro-consumer deal ever made in the entire history of gaming dev.

Now you have people squatting exclusivity deals and trying to sell you a shitty launcher with zero features and tell you you're getting something. The people doing this like Raimi Is Small openly display their reprehensible character when it comes to honoring the spirit of a contract apparently too, as well as being obnoxious on the lefty religious angle to boot.

I will never install Epic cancer on my system for these reasons as well as Chinese backdoor issues and also I don't like communists.

razer game store is getting shut down

it's nice that you have empathy for china but they don't have any for you

That'd be a really nice hubris move to get them bad publicity, which they desperately need when Epic is coming for their money. You're real smart, user, you know that?

>actually defending a chinese megacorp
I do hope you end up doing business with them

>Nuclear Throne developer
wait a fucking minute
is this the retarded cuck who can't get a fucking pixelshit indiegame to run at above 30 fps? This retard doesn't have room to talk about anything

In the end, we pirates win

He'll say the opposite in a year when Exodus release on Steam and triples in sales.

Steam appeared on the back of the first HL2 demo, and many were pissed off that they had to install a bloated launcher to play a single game. You're too young to remember people being annoyed with the concept of people hating the games as a service model.

I played throug a lot of dos games on emulater a couple years ago, doom is the only one i found that can hold up, the moding scene helps. Alsp Airborne ranger is a game i want most to get a modernization

but we love monopolies!

You're pretty dumb, I own games that have been removed from steam and I get my own private store page to re-download it whenever I want.

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ps4 vs xbox
epic games vs steam
PC does console wars better than consoles
top kek

Try Supaplex. I promise, it's a very fun and creative puzzle game.

These threads have TEAMs of shills promoting this stuff dude. Have you ever looked at Amazon for reviews of cheap Chinese steel stuff like silverware? When you start noticing the Asian models dressed up to look like whites, and The Very Carefully Cultivated English With Only a Few Exceeding Fine Mistakes 1,700+ reviews, you'll start to understand, and laugh. They're perfectly willing to farm gold in teams, botnet ddos in teams, and Yea Forums will be no exception. They'll farm morons here like /pol/ and Yea Forums do with anti-vaxx and flat earth bullshit.

5 shills start a thread, agree with each other and try to start marketeer waves here constantly.

>You're too young

Fuck you hipster shill, I know how to change a VAX/VMS magnetic tape drive, punched my own IIc 5.25's, and typed in my own games in TRS-80 BASIC and recorded them on cassettes. Orange Box installed the deep market reach of Steam and that's a fact, fucko.

>this mad he got the date wrong by three years
>and thinking requiring a launcher is a pro-consumer move

The Orange Box represented great value for your dollar but was terribly anti-consumer in what it introduced into the market. No longer were you buying a game, but a license to use the game, ultimately at the discretion of the platform holder. If you welcome that merely for convenience's sake, then we just fundamentally disagree.

Yep. The very same.

Yep. I was in Utrecht for a brief time, saw a flier for the meetup and saw Notch in the bar, though didn't get a chance to meet him. Back when Minecraft was still exploding, and he'd fly from Sweden to NL to hang out with those indie guys. They were all pretentious pricks even then. HKU sure manage to produce some too-big-for-their-breeches personalities.
I love Rami's self aggrandizing though, it means he's slipping more and more into obscurity. Maybe I'll see him at Albert Heijn again in a few years packing my groceries.

Epic claiming they outbusinessed Steam is like a virgin who paid a pornstar to take his virginity saying he's a total Chad that pulls pussy.

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Halo is far better shooter than the Metro series though
Valve always wins baby

Tiananmen Square Massacre

>Maybe I'll see him at Albert Heijn again in a few years packing my groceries

Lol. Here's to hoping, user.

>waaah valve is bad because there are too many games and visibility is bad
meanwhile on epic, there isn't even a tab for new games or sales

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Rami's such a gold mine of defeatism

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true

kek

>The Orange Box represented great value for your dollar but was terribly anti-consumer in what it introduced into the market. No longer were you buying a game, but a license to use the game, ultimately at the discretion of the platform holder. If you welcome that merely for convenience's sake, then we just fundamentally disagree.

Steam wasn't going anywhere until Orange Box, I am not camping dates in my memory like a marketeering historian might.

I liked owning my physical media too back in the day, I liked having my own 2U rackmount in my house but I can also see the future coming in which DRM combined with IPV6 backing everything will usher in a rental world of media, it won't be profitable for companies to keep humoring physical media with

>or sales

Tim Sweeney has said he doesn't want to do sales like Valve does. Enjoy paying full price all the damned time

>Go to youtube Rami Esmail
>See nothing but videos of Mr. Robot related vids because of Rami Malek and Sam Esmail's names
>Rami's so obscure his shit is behind Mr. Robot's shit.

At first I thought I wouldn't like Oxenfree, but I did. Pretty good, not going to get it on Epic since I already own it, but pretty good game.

And you'll still be here obsessed about Valve when Epic haven't made a dent against them and will be forever be in shambles due to godawful services

Devs will ultimately get more money through Steam though because Steam has a sliding scale based on sales. With steam reaching a broader audience, your game will sell more on steam and your cut will be the same as epic store

Don't really care what an estrogen-fueled faggot like Rami has to say but what he says has merit at least. Always go for the strategy that maximizes benefits while minimizing risks. That's why I'm just going to go back to pirating every video game and keeping my gaming PC isolated on a separate VLAN. At least that way, if I get any malware, I'll be helping out some little guy in Russia instead of the Chinese government.

Yeah I'm sure valve is sweating when they're getting Halo and epic gets literally who

Valve

>meanwhile on epic, there isn't even a tab for new games or sales
search engines are bloatware :^)

sales are the #1 way for indies to promote their game on steam so he's a fucking retard

Nintendo is literally charges $60 for ports lmao

Dumb slut poster. OP meant from the public store page. Has any game ever been removed from someone's library?

>Has any game ever been removed from someone's library?
No

Based, fuck the indie industry.

indie devs will love epic until they're stepping on each others toes like they are on steam
it won't take long with epic's shitty format

>no sales

ahahahahahahahahahahah

oh ho ho ho ho ho oh oh noooooooooooo

That earns a sole yike from me, buckaroo.

>Don't really care what an estrogen-fueled faggot like Rami has to say

Yes

>but what he says has merit at least. Always go for the strategy that maximizes benefits while minimizing risks

"Just fuck over everyone and get yours"

...

Everyone else is playing the game so I will too. I'm going to be saving a lot of money this year.

But he is indeed a faggot, and you can't help but agree with him rather than just find a more credible person with the same opinion.

>Nuclear Throne
>muslim sand nigger Rami Ismail

who the fuck cares about both of these garbage trash?

>There’s an entire generation of indie game developers that got wiped out because of a change in Valve’s recommendation algorithms and they said, ‘Well that’s just what the data said’. Well here’s what the data said, it said that Metro Exodus is not on Steam because the deal Epic gave them was better
based

>Literally attacking people for wrongthink
Steamcucks everybody.

they never played that game?

Where else will you be able to play Left 4 dead or tf2 or counter strike or artifact or dota2?

He's the visible spout of the big rotting indie landwhale clique of fucksticks lurking below the Twitter surface. Sending him a message means they all will read it.

>>There’s an entire generation of indie game developers that got wiped out

If Raimi Is Small is representative of the indie gamer mindset we can only be happy about this event.

I actually don't agree with him at all and really wish we weren't in this situation where retailers are artificially limiting access to game purchases. Steam at least provides some utility to consumers but I tend to prefer gog to anything else. I was just using his logic to justify piracy.

epic exclusives have nothing to do with steam though

>For years people complain about Steam and why it's bad
>Now everyone's perfectly fine with it the moment any amount of competition shows up
Literally "Behead those who insult Valve" tier comments.

>one competitor existing doesn’t mean valve wasn’t a monopoly
Actually that’s exactly what that means.

>wow I don’t like the precedent that buying exclusivity sets for the future of the PC marketplace
>VALVE DRONES VALVE DRONES VALVE DRONES KEK KEK KEK

*AHEM*

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This is what's fundamentally wrong with leftists screaming about monopolies all the time.

Consumers actually want benevolent monopolies. They want the trains running on time instead of 50 different tracks to switch to.

Exercising publishing exclusivity deals is itself a baneful monopoly on the means of production.

Stick that in your cassock and smoke it, commie.

I don't want exclusives on PC period. It's nothing to do with it not being on Steam.

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I wish you weren't so right, this industry has fallen far.

Valve is ass. The idea that you need to activate games through a 3rd party is cancer.

>Crying
Lol God damn do you babies love made up drama

Those are games made by Valve and there's nothing wrong with it being exclusive to their own store, third party games being exclusive to a store is retarded on the other hand

If you have valve you should hate epic even more. They're even more anti consumer and are using the same tricks valve did to get people on steam. The only people out there who should be pro epic are shills and kids who can't get enough of that fornite.

>The idea that you need to activate games through a 3rd party is cancer.

>I willingly put Diablo 3 in my valve launcher, used valve controller macros to make it console level playable with an Xbox controller on launch, thus tying 3 different companies together to play 1 game.

Valve is pretty based.

I hate Epic slightly less than Valve because if Epic manages to out-jew Valve and harm it to some degree, that will hurt Valve cucks. I want both DRM clients to burn in the end.

Rami Ismail is a propagandist, I find him repugnant and buying his fishing game is my second most regrettable choice in vidya (I bought cube world)

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Epic is just that much worse of a platform. If it were suddenly fail after some scandal people would go right back to shitting all over steam.

he based

Isnt Rami a massive cuck tho?

>so did Steam when it first appeared and it was the only way to get Half Life 2

Yeah guys, remember that some devs were working on it and valve came in one day and said "It's ours now!" and made them sign a contract to never be sold on another platform!

Do we actually have any numbers yet on valve taking damage?

>Actually trying to say that people should be punished for not being accepting of all of Valve's shit with Steam
And PC-fats return back to being the worst fanbase on Yea Forums.

Isnt it ironic how self ascribed Socialists are the first to take bribes from shady corps that shit on good business practices?

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Hello Shareblue.

Look at that proud cuck happy the fat fuck won't even make any games for Steam when Epic is busy cucking them with exclusives.

I release my game on as many storefronts as possible.

>insufferable cunt makes insufferable cunt statement

WOAH

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Of the highest order. He never quite broke through like other indie devs in his clique and can barely stay afloat in his celebrity of obscurity.

So what exactly is Epic Store giving us that means we don’t have to deal with “Steam’s shit”? Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to have any answers, advertising this is your life after all, nothing anyone can say or demonstrate to you will ever divert your path.

Valve is getting dabbed on hard.

Where was I defending Valves shit though?

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I hope this unleashes final form gaben

ME CAPITALIST
ME MUST SUPPORT HUGE CORPORATION THAT ONLY CARES ABOUT MY MONEY WHILE ADMONISHING OTHER CORPORATION THAT ONLY CARES ABOUT MY MONEY
ME GO BUY MORE SHIT NOW BEEP BOOP

Valve are communists. Good riddance.

>valve starts buying exclusives too
>PC market goes to hell
>EPIC DIDN’T CAUSE THIS IT’S NOT THEIR FAULT
>origin buys exclusives
>uplay buys exclusives
>battle.net buys exclusives
>bethesda launcher buys exclusives
>B-BASED BUSINESS STRATEGIES
>Armor Gmes Launcher buys exclusives
>the new Deep Silver launcher buys exclusives
>THQ launcher buys exclusives

Can this website and even fucking 8 chins meme the Chinese buble burst into reality?
This fucking Industry needs a Second Crash to put them back into the dirt and start all over again.

How so?

It may offer more money but if no one's buying it on that platform, who gives a damn?

How are paid exclusives even legal? Isn't it the same as Standard Oil's rail trusts 100 years ago?

>communists are bad
>so support this literal commie owned store instead
?

The first Crash created gaming as we know thanks to Nintendo and Sega, also PC gaming got a burst thanks to Amiga and IBM

this post was "sponsored" by the peoples republic of china

epic store is a spyware and im not gonna install it. if devs dont ike my money, good for them, i wont cry

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china will burst, but their larger business will just move and keep doing what they do without china.

Stay ass-blasted Valvecucks
ABLOOBLOOBLOO

What does Epic have to do with socialism, again?

Valve brought Capcom to PC. I want the indie market to crash, I want SF/San Jose to crash so the rest of the world can have a chance against their obnoxious politically motivated BULLSHIT.

>Crate Entertainment is an independent video game developer based in Massachusetts. The company was publicly announced on February 18, 2008 by former members of Iron Lore Entertainment.

cucking valve by stealing games from them

>user finally realizes that he entered the age of pc store wars and no more monopoly with the fat fuck getting all the pc profit while releasing jackshit

Is this just TORtanic version 500?

The real question is why would anyone in their right mind interview Vlambeer? Those 2 idiots shit out two titles that add up to about a fourth of a game. They broke the shit out of Nuclear Throne with that shitty co-op update, couldn't fix the game, and just said "fuck it" and took it out of early access a broken shell of what it was just a few weeks prior.
Gun Godz is based though.

So you're just shitposting? I was hoping you actually had some sound reasoning.

Oh boy, PC store wars, I can’t wait to be obligated to own every single cancerous datascraping storefront and each storefront gets worse and worse because they know people are obligated to use them now and thus have every reason to get some data sales on the side.

>Backed by communist china
>Backed by communist devs

Are you seriously asking this question?

reminder all these threads are by console friends trying to FINALLY have a meme they can lord over PC players (their betters in every way)

no pc gamer gives a shit about epic, at this point in time there is no reason to use any service besides GoG or steam and everyone knows that

Nigger absolutely no one would complain if they released their game on, you know, just fucking both launchers. The issue is this whole shitty exclusivity thing that screams console faggotry, while at the same time offering absolutely nothing to a consumer. It's nice that the devs get more money but I get fuckall from installing a chink launcher.

There was no monopoly. Why do people keeping through the word around?

No he's fucking not you utter fucking retard.

Get fucking cucked, pcboi

that will happen if trump wins again and the Supreme opens up investigation against the State of California for tax evasions.

Artifact did horrid sure, but why do people keep saying Valve doesn't make games when they just made one.

>The real question is why would anyone in their right mind interview Vlambeer?

Imagine many people just above the poverty line in SF/San Jose and faking their importance while they couch surf and make blogs and tweets.

That Ramifaggot described himself as socialist in the past.
Has the Shilling reduced your IQ into single digits so that you cant even follow a simple thought?

>pirates your game
>"Sucks to be you. You got out buisnessed."

>Epic games launcher is spying on people's installs and sending the data back to Epic

>haha now you have to deal with part of what makes playing on consoles so bad

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Because they are lazy fucktards who can only make cashgrab shit or add cosmetics made by their cuck community

>so did Steam when it first appeared
In 2003, with no better options, when digital distribution was barely a thing.

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>bribing people instead of making a platform as good as Steam is now "competition"
No. It's just Chinese tactics.

stupid shit like this gets them traffic.

How is it not unfair? Valve made a popular platform by making it the best platform. Now Epic is bribing people instead of making an equally good platform to draw in customers.
Why are you such a Chinaman?

if this gets valve to get off their fatasses and start making games again its a win-win for everyone

I really, really hope this Epic shit bankrupts a few big name indie studios

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How is tencent able to operate? 100% of chinese business is fraud.

Not yet itnwon’t, epic is paying a pretty good war chest formyou to assassinate your consumer base.

I doubt their numbers have even been phased by the epic store. They feel no pressure at all and will keep scrapping in the easy money from the market and other stupid shit.

You know I thought people were overblowing this journalist shitting on steam thing but this article funny.
A next to literal who commenting on steam and then throwing the word epic around a bunch.

Yeah I am sure the chinks will keep throwing away free money to devs forever and have higher profit shares on top off that.
Not going into that fucking beartrap chinaman chang.

Rami Ismail became the Go to guy for journalists to interview whenever they need an indie developer. Also he's transitioned into a speech/talks guy than a indie developer since making his millions on steam and having to work on an indie game is hard.

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