GOOGLE UNVEILS ITS VIDEO GAME SERVICE STADIA

> Latency even under the most perfect conditions

Oh nononononono

Just make better hardware! Fortnite proved that cuting edge graphics really don't matter that much. With OP hardware they can make more complex gameplay and physics, while it still looks like shit. That cloud connectivity really isn't as necessary as they're trying to make it sound like. They just want to eliminate piracy and get everybody addicted to the (((cloud))).

Don't all current gen console controllers have that already?

It won't. It's also only gonna launch in nations that have money to buy dedicated gaming platforms already with superior gaming performance.

>$15 EA All Access subscription
>$15 Ubisoft Play Pass subscription
>$15 Epic Stream Pass subscription
>$15 Xbox Game Pass subscription
>$15 Humble Indie Game subscription

Future is bright lads.

The same way YouTube pulls it off.

No faggot
They have speakers

???
There isn't any hardware... this is a streaming platform that you use on whatever device you own.

>Isn't launching in Japan

>wanting a shitter input delay Ouya stream console

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get ready for the turn-based rpg revival

Dude what the FUCK lol

>Stadia

More like Deadia, am i right ladies?

OH NO LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

It'll be successful because a ton of people just want to experience some game while not giving a fuck about fps or input delay. They don't know any better.

Think about how many people out there only have a netbook or chromebook or even tablet or whatever, this is huge for them.
I personally don't give a fuck about it because lel input delay but no way this won't be a big hit.

Will it work with a Google chrome?

Just play turn based games.

You go girl

why is the konami code on the back of the controller
>us gamerz rite

>20GB/hr
>Don't release it in Korea, Scandinavia and Japan

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>streaming a video and streaming a video game are the same thing

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>actually looking forward to being a rent serf

>full screen ads in 4K

Yeah, it's going to be a massive blunder, but I fear this is going to influence the industry big time. We all know it'll be full cancer, but despite its planned failure, it'll further push the boundaries of how much bullshit the masses can tolerate.

Won't be long before people ask to skip both gameplay sequences and cutscenes so they can watch more ads.

It'll be a hit among normies, not gamers, and they'll either get mad at gamers and chalk it up to the gamergate boogeyman, or they'll desperately chase after a demographic that isn't interested in their shit.

Even le normans care about a full second of input-delay under optimal circumstances

Any least come up with an original controller or buttons, at least.

How am i supposed to play megaman battle network 3 with input lag

The people who only own a netbook or chromebook or tablet aren't remotely interested in playing shit like D55M or even Assassin's Creed. They're going to stick with their phones.
Seriously who is this targeting.

>death of piracy
>death of modding
>death of communities
>death of fun
>death of vidya

Can't wait for the rebirth.

Only Japan is making turn based games and they aren't going near this abomination.

holy shit, this looks really bad. imagine playing red dead 2, a game that already has like 300 ms of latency just built in.

>Google should be rolling out Fiber in the US and saying "Fuck the police" at laws before even worrying about a streaming console.

Absolutely.

I mean fuck streaming in general and keep the gaming market dependent on local hardware. Streaming is just a vicious cycle where the customers get more and more dependent on the service provider.

So has anyone crunched the numbers yet on what kind of absurd scaling they would need to do all the steps required for true 4K gaming?

Also, Google comes with nothing new as usual. This is old garbage backed with more money.

>JADES CONSOLE
Mandatory

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>thinking the normies this is for would play something like Megaman
They'll play Ass Creed, Tomb Raider and Skyrim

You're mistaken. Just to name one group: All the poorfag students at college who have no gaming PC or even console but maybe just a laptop

Now I'm not trying to defend anything, but I'm pretty sure you climb things with trigger and not A in ass creed.

>They don't know any better.

This is the main catchup, this is for people who have no idea how bad game streaming can actually be, or just idiots and hipsters who want to be different. Be aware that they already announced that it will be available only in "selected tablets and smartphones" so whoop de woo if your phone doesn't support it, better throw a couple hundreds for either a new phone or a new contract with your preferred phone company.

This shit is bound to fail, but maybe this is what we need so companies can finally stop trying to shove game streaming through everyone's throats like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

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Poorfag students at college aren't going to have internet good enough for remotely decent game streaming.
This entire service is targeting audiences that don't exist.

>This is old garbage backed with more money.
That has been their business since day 1. That and buying out the competition.

How about 5G speeds? Could those pull this off? Google might start pushing 5G over this, if that's the case.

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO PIRATE THIS SHIT??????

>normies don't care about input delay
Yeah, and Killzone is still the FPS king, amiright? There totally weren't any controversies around Killzone 2's input lag, which according to NeoFAG was a feature!

Well for Netflix video streaming 4k uses about twice as much data as 1080p. Given that vidya isn't just video, it is probably higher. If it goes up to 50Gb an hour, that mean you would get 20 hours of 4k vidya streaming a month with a 1Tb data cap. That is assuming you don't do anything else on the internet that month.

Not him, but heh. I remember that. People went nuts over it.

Most public unis have garbage WiFi. Mine could barely keep up with everyone in the dorms watching Netflix at the same time.

>More fucking streaming shit

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This will literally never become a thing as long as ISPs with hard data caps exist. Streaming video is literally some of the most online data consuming things you can do, so you just KNOW that some people won't be able to handle this service.

Not only will you not pirate on it but there will be popup ads all over the actual gameplay.
But it'll be totally hip, slick and cool. The less hardware on your end, the better. Just trust us, go-, I mean fellow gamers! That's how the cool kids think.

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Video and audio will be 99% of the bandwidth usage. Inputs can be encoded in a few bytes. So you can expect basically the exact same bandwidth usage as Netflix.

what's "crate-" supposed to be?

I'll be actually glad if it takes off. Google's presence in the sector will suck the air from competing products stalling any real advances and prevents the development of a true, non-subsidized market. And knowing google, they will lose interest and will just abandon it after 5 years of negligence. Streaming will stay dead, but this time it will be buried deeper than last time.

Fuck off moot

HACK THE PLANET

The PS5 is pretty much already decided on behind the scenes afaik and they only upgrade it significantly every 6-7 years. Google has a perfect opportunity to fuck them out of the market with this. They'll have to option to upgrade mid gen far easier.
But despie all of that, I still don't think that the players will care much about that. The cloud features in the games isn't all that impressive.
The exclusive title aquiring and the marketing of those will still be the deciding factor in this console war. The title exclusivity is too much even for all of Google's money to ovecome, if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo wins that war. Gamers will rather spend more and sacrifice fancy features for exclusive titles.

i too like not truly own a game that will barely function with my potato internet connection

The sad thing is publishers will probably entertain the idea of using this shit because "muh piracy", again making paying customers suffer.

This. There’s no infrastructure to support it in the majority of the US. I genuinely don’t know how Europe’s is, I assume better in most of the western part.

I heard it would take off great in Australia. Imagine 10 seconds of input lag.

It's worse than that. Why would any of the big players put recent releases on a streaming service and tank their day one sales? They won't, they'll just throw google their sloppy seconds.
And all this crap about greater graphical capabilities is useless because you're still running the same games consoles are running. Google could moneyhat their own exclusives, except that costs an extreme amount of money due to fronting both the cost of development and paying the devs in lieu of them taking the money from selling the game
I'm not seeing how this'll work on any level

Easter Europe has had amazing internet way before Western Europe. It was critical infrastructure and our goverments were very aggressively pushing it early. Currently it's about the same.
fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php

seriously guys, is this some 2008 internet lingo I've forgotten?

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The games will probably be sold through a subscription service and this just lessens the load on their own download servers.

Google has crazy amounts of money to experiment with. They could just buy out literally every game dev and make their games exclusives. Even if they'll be losing money (like with YouTube), doing it for 2 console generations could absolutely grant them an undisputed market monopoly. Then they can start thinking about money in 15-20 years. They're not in a rush.
The marketing wars and the devs will decide this.

we can only hope

Don't underestimate it

>Google Buzz was good, r-right?
>Google+ was good, r-right?
>Ass Creed was good, r-right?

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That's a drop in the bucket compared to what they'll get from just selling their games normally. Assuming they get new games in a timely manner, it's pretty reasonable to assume Google will get year old games as an afterthought
Microsoft has crazy amounts of money to experiment with too. This whole argument is microsoft all over again and look how they're doing. And as for devs I've already outlined how crappy this will be for the big devs.

> $900 a year to enjoy your games

BUG LIFE

It will be shitty for all devs. Only EA and Ubisoft have any negotiation power to get a satisfactory cut, the rest will be assfucked.

Companies are pushing a subscription model hard and are aldready making games available to download at launch through a monthly subscription. It'd be stupid not to take advantage of this platform and allow people with subscriptions to skip the download and play immediately.

>This whole argument is microsoft all over again and look how they're doing.
Microsoft is already invested in literally the opposite of this technology already. They would never offer a streaming solution like this. It'd hurt them in other areas.
>And as for devs I've already outlined how crappy this will be for the big devs.
For now. But mid next gen they can start switching over this if Google pays them enough once all they'll care about is their newest projects.

she's trying to say "creative" you retard

And think of porn games btw.
If nobody will ever have up to date gaming hardware, no dev will make waifu head patting VR games.

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>mid next gen
That's like more than two google perfs away. Google does not have such an attention span and googlers who care for their career cannot afford to stay onboard that long.

Maybe they'll be willing to burn dozens of billions on this project to make it work through brute force. Google sure loves themselves a good market monopoly.

he's making fun of french people, got it.

Any major companies joining in the Stadia hype train?

>BUY JADES CONSOLE!
ASS ASSIN CREED IS A GOOD FRANCHISE

The real question is:
>Who wants this and why?

As far as I can tell, all three console manufacturers make their own exclusive games, to sell consoles, or at least wanna offer enough for people not into PC building/gaming.

Where does a multiplat streaming machine fit into this? I wouldnt buy this over any console, due to missing exclusives from companies literally decades in the business.
And what else is left? A PC alternative? Really? Can I play grand strategy or total war on them, which I can already play just fine on my PC, where all my friends are?

No matter from which pov I look it at: it seems to be a shit idea.

I hope so, because the alternative is giving the pulishers the power to completely wipe out games from existence.

NO IT'LL BE BIG YOU'LL SEE
IT'S JUST NOT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES

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Welcome to single player games as a service. DRM perfected.

Xbox is probably gonna get retired, if xbox cooperative with nintendo is any indication.

>Input lag intensifies.

Will I be indoctrinated to accept sex changes for children with this?

Jade legitimately did nothing wrong and all the games she worked on were pretty good.

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>Game service
>no games
Of course

>Ross's face during this whole thing

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candy crush players will not be pleased

>google STD

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S*M H**E got a job at Google

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This is the end of there being any chance of a game not being shit.
Assuming streaming games catches on everything is fucked.
Do you have any nostalgia or good memories from any youtube trash you've watched in the last 5 years? No? Thats the kind of games that will be made to stream. Shit that distracts you for a few minutes and you'll be bombarded with so many shit games you'll be tricked into thinking you're getting alot.
Everyone said lootboxes/microfagactions would die out. They didn't.
Imagine playing a game for a couple hours, you get hit with the cliffhanger and then a dialog box asking for $2.99 to keep playing. or $5.99 or $10.99
"fuck you devs" you say, but all the other fuckfaces just click buy and 5 years from now you'll be saying, "damn only $14.99 to keep playing, whattadeal."

This thing will probably be shit, but come on. He's just pretending to play you tards. This is what most E3 demonstrations do too. It's a video playing on the device.

hopefully this will bring me the truly immersive MMO i have always dreamed of

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They won't notice it's only a two second delay!

>IT'S NOT A BOX
what a strange selling point
Is google not aware that people like boxes?
Which is why mockup art is so popular when a new console is coming

I bet moot did this.

So silky smooth 24fps streaming?

It's going to be ridiculously successful and it'll destroy vidya forever.
It'll also further cement Google's status as the #1 opinion influencer.
The Brave New World is upon us.

I seriously expect it to have some kind of a free model to make sure every kid on the planet plays Google approved games.

WOOOOOW DOOOOD
I WAS PRESSING BUTTONS AND NOTHING CAME OUT
FUCK GOOGLE

4k at 60fps. No info on quality settings.

>Imagine playing a game for a couple hours, you get hit with the cliffhanger and then a dialog box asking for $2.99 to keep playing.
This is essentially what Life is Strange and The Walking Dead games were like, just less blatant. The fears you list are not really exclusive to, or caused by streaming technology.

>Just be patient! Who cares if it takes a couple minutes for your character to jump?

>this will be the new norm
>cant own games anymore
>cant play offline anymore
>no more modding
Time to find a new hobby or kill myself I guess

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Well.. Maybe we're finally free?

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>cant own games anymore
You think you actually own anything on Steam, Origin or Uplay?

>Imagine playing a game for a couple hours, you get hit with the cliffhanger and then a dialog box asking for $2.99 to keep playing. or $5.99 or $10.99
You mean like what EA and Ubisoft have been doing with DLC/Books for their games for their years already?

How the fuck can they pull off 60 fps at 4k using streaming?

>wanting google to know your every step even more
fuck's sake, they really are taking over every aspect of people's lives

I do own what I buy on Gog and whatever physical game I own

those all apply to Steam except for modding, it would be a bad marketing decision not to allow modding eventually anyway

No, they aren't exclusive to streaming I agree.
But this is pretty blatant.
Another shit that could happen; same thing happened with the nexus6p
Google claims they will support this phone like they have with all previous nexus products.
6 months later they decide they don't like Huawei anymore and shitcan the entire brand.
>Just buy the new google PIXEL lmao
Assuming this console is popular how long can historically ADHD google sit on one box before they decide to release a sequel? And when streambox2 comes out you know they'll drop support for streambox1 because it's no longer chic

I can play offline on steam though

I jacked off to this a few times is that wierd?

>Save money not having to buy a console/pc
>Spend that money on good internet + fee/whatever stadia costs to play a laggy version

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>internet goes down
>game stops

H AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAH AHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH inhales

HAHAHAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH AH

never trust google. never. ever.

Tech Foundry says the demo they were last shown was still 1080p/30fps with frame time jumping up and down a bit.
He also says that despite the resolution, image quality is pretty poor because of the image compression.

youtu.be/VG06H7IQ9Aw?t=640

Dunno. It is probably just google over-promising considering how most people's connections are too shitty to even stream 4k at 30 fps.

kys yourself trannie

> Google should be rolling out Fiber in the US and saying "Fuck the police" at laws before even worrying about a streaming console.
This, who's gonna stop them? Security guards at Comcast?

Look, there's no organized conspiracy, it's all just economic factors and technology maximizing the differences between individuals, but this kind of shit is just more proof that a literal breakaway society is happening.

>will only work on good internet, requiring more $$$
>will be subscription based per publisher, requiring more $$$
>will likely be largely cross-platform and have decent exclusives due to Google money, enabling players to have the fullest possible library and multiplayer experience

they keep making services for the upper middle-class while the middle class proper continues to dwindle/disappear. in 20 years, the difference between Charles whose dad is a dentist and Charlie whose dad is a mechanic will be so immense that they might as well live in different countries

it was gonna launch in europe, wich Scandinavia is part of?

Apparently it is supposed to be able to do 4k at 60 fps.
pcgamesn.com/doom-eternal/doom-eternal-google-stadia

there'll always be retroarch
hoard now while you can

Nah, it's cool. I jacked off to this a few times too and I think I'm alright.

>there is no console to limit...
I don't understand

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>death of modding
which leads to
>death of self-taught video game development
which leads to
>death of indie developers
and the rise of
>going to university for video game development

of course, this all of this hinges on vg streaming becoming overwhelmingly successful, such that it becomes the only release platform for every single game.

You don't have to pay monthly to access it though

I believe Google got screwed over by local cable and telecoms in a lot of cities because they weren't allowed to hang fiber across existing telephone poles. Google tried to do shallow underground cables but they weren't very durable and local telecoms/cable companies would sometimes intentionally fuck them up while doing maintenance on their own cables.

underrated. he actually made that joke funny.

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It's really crazy when you think of the kind of processing power they need for this kind of thing.

It can't handle a template asset project smootly without hiccups. It sure as fuck is not gonna provide 4K 60FPS AAA titles to millions anytime soon.

The US political parties are basically dependent on lobbyist bribes to keep functioning. The big telecoms companies are basically paying big bucks to keep anyone else out of the industry.

Its a beautiful system that I'm sure the founding fathers intended all those centuries ago.

Fucking PS NOW bullshit.

this post gave me cancer

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Look, there's no organized conspiracy, it's all just economic factors and technology maximizing the differences between individuals, but this kind of shit is just more proof that a literal breakaway society is happening.

>will only work on good internet, requiring more $$$
>will be subscription based per publisher, requiring more $$$
>will likely be largely cross-platform and have decent exclusives due to Google money, enabling players to have the fullest possible library and multiplayer experience

they keep making services for the upper middle-class while the middle class proper continues to dwindle/disappear. in 20 years, the difference between Charles whose dad is a dentist and Charlie whose dad is a mechanic will be so immense that they might as well live in different countries

as someone who works on utilities this is horseshit.
I don't believe anyone is going around fucking them up intentionally. The liability for the company/getting fired is way too high.
Just knicking certain pipes underground can cost $40-$50thousand dollars to repair per ft kinda shit.
SF retards at google think they can keep a fiber line 6-12inch underground with no conduit or even with conduit/vaults and then blame "country hicks who are anti google destroying muh lines" is bullshit.
Not like I would put it past local telecom companies to do this but if they got caught even once there would be hell to play.
It's pretty likely this shit didn't work out because it was implemented by fucking retards.
Where I live right now all the fiber lines are 5-6inches underground because the island is made of coral reef. even with hundreds of line technicians, and multiple companies/lines the internet will go out all the time. A heavy truck can drive over 6in covered fiber line and it'll break.
When you're working on a military base they make you stay far the fuck away from fiber lines and sometimes have escort hang out to make sure you don't dig too close.
TL;DR If google just threw some fiber in the ground like spaghetti strings then it wouldn't have taken any malicious intent for them to break.

>Google studio is actually called Stadia GAE

did nobody fucking think to check the abbreviation

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I'm not seeing a single positive viewer comment anywhere despite tech videos gushing about this. Absolutely everyone seems upset about Google collectibg their data, the loss of personal control, the compression and latency issues. Not to mention data caps.

When the revolution starts I'm going to set up 200yds from a google office with an FAL and get bugmen thru the windows.

No way this'll be the new norm. This shits too fucking stupid to work out. Then again, it IS google, maybe they will muscle it into the norm...

I'm pretty sure they don't have any fucking idea what latency is.

You can't make this shit up.

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Its going to be a success but long-term people will realize they need to get the iron grip existing ISPs have off. These services have existed, and no matter how good Google's end is the user end for hundreds and hundreds of millions of people in the world is dogshit. Its not even launching in Australia, because they know how bad it is.

Controller looks like the shape of the switch pro but with the symmetry of the DualShock

it's the worst name ever, I can't even remember it

>Call-in Tech Support Button
I eagerly anticipate the viral videos documenting retarded encounters

People calling this ouya 2 are retards. This is a fucking multi million $ mega corporation. It will be decent, but probably overpriced.

Of course you don't, you've been dead for 20 years, Ayrton.

>It will be decent,
No it won't.

linux

Let me see if I got this correctly.
Google embarked on one of their 1,000 other disposable side projects, with no real fanfare or marketing, but then Yea Forums and the gaming media blew it out of proportion like they are trying to corner the game market. Then in typical Yea Forums fashion, Yea Forums saw something that they are not the target demo for, and either saw it as a huge existential threat to their hobby as they know it, or think it will be a huge flop because they personally wouldn't buy it. And success is onlybeing the next billion dollar idea, or having everyone on Yea Forums like it?
then people are debating local rendering v.s. streaming like they cant coexist.

Fpbp

Australia houses 20something million people, user. If half of them didn't shitpost on here, nobody would even know what it is. It's a sound bidness decision to ignore them.

It had a lot of publicity for a GDC event. Every outlet was covering the story. Yea Forums is the target audience; they are trying to attract core gamers and the FGC.

It’s just shitty, cocksucker.

>This is a fucking multi million $ mega corporation

Imagine being this naive.

20GB per hour is what Amazon Prime video requires

>Every outlet was covering the story
yeah so I do have it right. Media is blowing out proportion. How much of that was paid google ads? any commercials yet?
>Yea Forums is the target audience
LOOL
anyway, cool to see I am caught up on everything. Thanks.

reminder of how many failed projects google has had

you forgot about death of hacking and third worlders destroying servers with their conmection. I can see streaming for online games.

Ok so after watching some videos that break down the actual tech at work here, both in hardware integration and the computing Google is doing, I think this has legs. It's a potential game changer but the key thing is not in the areas Google is pitching it.

AAA gamers want high fidelity, not just in graphics but in sound. They want responsive controls and an immersive experience. These are pretty universal desires, and Staria CANNOT deliver on that, not even with it's crazy hardware. Latency and compression are too much to overcome, as are the uncertainties of wifi. High fidelity gaming will not be streamable.

Where Google can succeed, should be focusing, and probably is outside of this misguided attempt to make a splash is in Mobile and massively multiplayer games. This can only provide a huge step up in quality for your standard mobile game which has to run on a smart phone cpu and hardware. And MMOs are traditionally lower fidelity and not as direct action based. What Stadia can provide for them is the ability to link hundreds of thousands of people, unsharded, into an MMO environment with comparable visuals. Nothing mind blowing but people are willing to put up with a lot worse for MMOs. And once again we'll return to.an era when MMOs we're actually massively multiplayer, with their server architecture able to handle hundreds of simultaneously synchronous users in the same environment.

AAA gaming is a fucking fairy tale to get investors hot, a cynical play for publicity. Only thing I can think of

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Why would I buy this when Microsoft will probably offer the same kind of service but actually provide platform exclusives and just games in general compared to this service which has like 1 game working on it so far and literally no platform exclusives? Microsoft has already won by default holy shit. If Sony brought all their games to snow through streaming like God of war and stuff then this Google shit is literally DOA because you have literally 0 (ZERO) reasons to use this shit over Microsoft or Sony ecosystems. Hell I can buy fucking halo MCC on PC and get a native digital copy for Xbox and I can apparently take my progress with me on the cloud 2. That's how an ecosystem should be not this trash.

What makes you think devs won't drop their trousers to accommodate for this crap if it's profitable for them, probably at the expense of the user?

To psnow*

please tell me you were merely pretending...

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cause google wants the better tech so they can patent it and license it out to M$.

Americans

kek

Holy shit that input lag is awful

Actually more so license it to Sony, who won't be able to keep up with M$.

This makes literally no sense

This is hugely autistic.

It's to market random games to normies who just want to play and move on.

Reminder that the input delay is at least 155ms.
This translates to nearly 10 frames dropped per second. The input lag for the worst fighting games are close to 8 frames, so imagine actually trying to play a game where every input is mitigated not only by the game's latency, but this system's latency as well. That 8 frames suddenly becomes 18 frames, making playing underwater sound like diving into the Mariana Trench

>in 20 years, the difference between Charles whose dad is a dentist and Charlie whose dad is a mechanic will be so immense that they might as well live in different countries
Bah. In 40 years, the difference between Charles whose dad is a dentist and Charlie whose dad is a mechanic will be zero because both will have been replaced by robots.
You'll have better luck at a breakaway society coming from when a fed up billionaire decides to buy Alaska (again) and declares it closed for immigration and bans social media.

>check jewtube comments
>even fucking normalfags are shitting on it

>Microsoft: CRACKDOWN 3, AND GAMING IN THE CLOUD!
>*bungles around for 3 years*
>Microsoft: lol doesn't really work but here's crackdown 3 anyway
>same year
>Google: GAMING IN THE CLOUD!

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How so? a lot of what google makes money off is behind the scene shit like that. No different than Amazon and AWS. Hell Prime Video is basically just a showpiece for a lot of their tech. This is like all those "shield" devices nvidea made as tech demos for tegra parts.

D pad looks HORRIBLE

Who came up with that shit logo design? What am I supposed to be looking at here? Even the name is lame.

166ms
By comparison 60fps PC is 79 for ass Creed
Per digital foundry

No I'm saying what you said makes no sense because Microsoft won't need this and Google won't be able to sell it to them. Microsoft already has the infrastructure to do this themselves as well as the games and user base. Why would they want to licence out Google's service?

Sure thing, buddy

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They aren't money. Multiplayer games are money.

yeah but that is aditional, not instead of. The largest source of latency, is actually your brain. But that doesn't negate any aditional latency.

I only buy physical when I really like a game, otherwise I pirate. Anyone who buys digital is retarded.
>has resale value for casuals who don't collect
>will last forever while the service network for X console will be shut down and youll be forced to rebuy digital games on every new console.

yeah I meant to say sony.
But if it is better than what M$ can make in house, I doubt they would get in a pissing match if the google tech is for sale.

No one's gonna buy this shit unless it launches with Fartnite 2 exclusively

I'm getting an impression that people don't want to get an STaDia?

Its cute how they think most people have the tech to stream stuff like that.

google glass 2: electric boogaloo

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Yeah most people don't even have 10mbps internet, which would be the absolute minimum to get decent input and graphics. Just another example of rich silicon businessmen being out of touch with the rest of America.

I only buy physical when there is a CE. or nice box to put on my shelf. I never sell games cause I did it once and regretted it. My digital games will last much longer because of my autistic NAS setup v.s. and preference for DRM free, as well as the existance of cracks, should Valve or whoever fuck me. Disc rot is real, so I just have to image/backup phsyical shit anyway.

No fagnug, that is from button press to on screen response, with display latency built Into the calc.

>a prerendered video file where all the decoding is handled client side
>vs a video game where nothing can be precalculated and everything must be rendered server side at real time and distribute it in a timely manner

ah. So the network latency is 87ms?

Everything in the future will be a service. Even vidya is starting to show signals of going that way.

Every small thing in life will be a monthly fee. Kinda offputting

Reminds me of the Xbox One debacle. "If you don't have Internet, get a 360".

More like anal googaloo.

>idea is that it's for people who don't have good hardware or consoles
>but you need amazing internet for it to even approach playable

Reminder that Microsoft have massively more advanced tech than what Google are doing. Microsoft are going to be utilizing a hybrid system of rendering which makes both the client and server work together to make the scene rather than just streaming a video feed to the mobile device or whatever device.

why don't other countries do it like japan?

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>source:
my ass.
You guys do realize this is just streaming an x265(?) video to your system right? something that Netflix/Amazon/Google are already making a shit tonne of money off of.
>but most americans cant use Netflix!
sure retard.

Because Japan is a shitty little island where it's easy to implement.

Streaming a video...with pinpoint controller input?

>he thinks streaming 1080p video is the same as streaming a 1080p game with input.
How retarded are you, I am genuinely curious

Companies like Google are successful because they have so much power that they can force people to buy into their new standards whether people actually want them or not (see: how they come up with new, more invasive, and time consuming captchas and people just have to eat it). How will they manage to force people to use Stadia? Epic level of exclusive buyouts?

Microsoft's tech with this type of thing is honesty stunning. They have already taken in their latest insider test, a game build made and optimized strictly for xbone hardware, run really well on a wide variety of PCs, no port no nothing, just api level translation (most likely it is blackbox solution so we dont know how they do it)

No but they'd complain about why everything is so slow and laggy.

The only "cool" thing is the integration with YouTube and the instant play thing. Everything else just seems like a bad idea. No one here should even test it out. Don't give your shekels to Google nor even consider it.
Please boycott this garbage.

>This is going to be a massive blunder isn't it?
I dunno, that seemed like a solid presentation. I can see how it would be appealing to people with good enough internet.

the button input is like a few kb of upload. The videostream is what hogs the badnwidth. The issue with game streaming is latency, not bandwidth. a large 1080p+ video stream takes a lot more bandwidth then a quick "he pressed x" signal to a server.

Triggers have been used to attack since Origins.

Xbox is going to be destroying PlayStation for the next decade with its tech and newly acquired development studios. Can't wait.

Yes and most people have crappy low latency internet. Its not gonna work Google shill.

At this point I’d rather Nintendo win at least their shit works without being 100% online all the damn time

And how many people have the Internet speed to handle that kind of thing? Obviously not as many as Google thinks.

This. Xbox Live is the best online you can get and even THAT's not exactly ideal. Now Google wants to make a console that REQUIRES good internet to do ANYTHING?

I'm considering going full luddite at this point. All these advances in technology only serve to make my life slightly more annoying.

Better!
12 fps with 3 seconds of input lag

youtu.be/ocWTSq7IaLI

Watch this shit jesus fucking CHRIST Microsoft are so ahead of their competitors right now

But it would be easier than digging underground I guess. I had a lot of trouble installing fiber in my house because the pipe where the cable goes was full of sand and mud because it wasn't property sealed

We can just mod GTA SA and SM64 forever

So this is the power of VR.

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> Its not gonna work Google shill.
Jesus christ you guys have issues.
The issue is with latency to the server, to do with physical fucking latency. I am not shilling google for saying this. The reality is bandwidth is not the issue, has never been the issue, ANd most Americans(or euros, asians Canadians etc) have the bandwidth to handle it. That is all I said. I even said latency was the issue in my previous post. Not everyone is a google shill because they understand how bandwidth and videostreaming works.

How’s Google wave or + treating you?

That's always been the endgame, for everything. Rentseeking is one of the oldest jew tricks and the ideal endgame for any capitalist venture. Why make $100 once when you can make $25 a month for a whole year?

*5 cents have been deposited into your account*

>And how many people have the Internet speed to handle that kind of thing?
Pretty much everyone. That is what I am trying to say. Basicallt if you have the internet "speed" (really what you should say is bandwidth) to watch netflix, you have the speed to stream gameplay. The issue is physical latency. Cause there is physical distance between you and the server. Doesnt really matter if you have gigabit or 20mbit.

This is the 5th thread I've gone through and I don't understand what this is.

Like can't I do this right now? Assassin's creed is on PC, right? Is this for people without a computer?

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Don't you think if it was so easy it would have been done by now you stupid ass Google shill?

No, because thats the game being streamed from a cloud. As opposed to loading it onto a PC's hard drive, which is what you can do now.

I think the draw is going to be the instant play time. I thought the "click this link to play instantly" was neat, but it comes with a whole host of problems.

I never said it was easy. I am saying badnwidth and video encoding were never EVER, and continue to not be the issue. Thing of it like like carrying a conversation over postal mail. The issue is not finding a vehicle big enough to hold a letter. Fuck it, you could fit like 1,000 letters in a smart car. The USPS has that covered. The problem is driving the physical distance back and forth.

What, don't people have 20 seconds to boot up a game?

that only has temporary appeal though. would have been appealing when had 30mbit down. Now I have gigabit and I can download a full AAA game in a neglible amount of time. I can wait 10 minutes to play a 75gb game.

Let me help

youtu.be/9eyFDBPk4Yw

I mean it takes a bit to install the game. But at the bandwidth requirements being thrown around it shouldn't be a problem really. Assuming AssCreedOdy is 60GiB, and the speed required is 20GiB an hour, then you only have to wait 3 hours to install and get a much better experience.
I just don't see the practicality of it, honestly. It could work with games pass where you click a link and it installs to your Xbox, but streaming it just sounds counter productive.

Your analogy falls apart when you realize that the speed of the car matters and most people don't have fast cars. Nice try, Google shill.

This is the future

Wish I hadn't wasted so much money buying games

Sad that they will probably push the Stadia client onto every major console, many smart TV's, and tons of home blu-ray players.

CoD has videos which analyze the kills times to the MS on every single gun.

Even the most filthy fucking casuals of all time understand latency and understand its consequences and they DO care.

Blu-Ray is dying, the people who buy smart TVs don't play games and consoles won't allow competition on their own platform.

Microsoft has better cloud service tech.

Man, zoomers really do have ADD. Can't do literally anything for 2 hours waiting for a 100 hour game; gotta get it right now before they have time to reconsider their purchase.

I doubt it will flop though. Something this cheap will turn a profit if 6 people adopt it.

>Think about how many people out there only have a netbook or chromebook or even tablet
Every single person I know who fits this description hates vidya and would never, ever buy a game of any kind.

>This is going to be a massive blunder isn't it?
It will bring back physical media. Finally.

Basically OnLive and PSNow poisoned the well and lead gamers to believe streaming games to be impossible. The Project Stream beta already proved that it works. Google has an unprecedented number of data centers around the globe. You click a link and are playing within. Five. Seconds. Zero fucking friction. This is a complete revolution, Microsoft and Amazon are probably the only companies that can rival Google’s cloud presence. Sony and Nintendo will lose a lot of money if they don’t get in on it. Nintendo will probably put Switch on Stadia or xCloud, but I can see Sony trying to compete blow for blow with their absolutely shitty PSNow service.

Sweet!

Like if we hadn't enough with calling it videogame "industry" now they are going to straight up naming it a service. If this garbage succeeds i'll just look up for another hobby. Fuck those multibillion dollar corporation vultures and their streaming pile of shit.

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stadia-tan?

Don't even humor them. Just like, don't subscribe. I'm sure as hell not going to nor am I ever. I got plenty of games in my backlog to last me till the day I die.
Also you sound like a shill. End yourself.

>This is going to be a massive blunder isn't it?
I hope so.

>Boco

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>tfw it unrionically looks good
finally something good came from the jews

I've never experienced a streaming game service run without lag and nothing from this presentation leads me to believe that the technology has improved to the point that there won't still be problems. Plus they didn't present any games I'm not already playing, there's not enough content to draw me in on just a feature.

Shut the fuck up Boco

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>stay there

Yes sir...

Microsoft's cloud is colossally bigger as a service than Google's

zdnet.com/article/top-cloud-providers-2018-how-aws-microsoft-google-ibm-oracle-alibaba-stack-up/

>Your analogy falls apart when you realize that the speed of the car matters
Absolutely. But realistically speed of the car doesn't matter either. I have a fibre connection, which will have less latency than a copper connection to my local "harbour centre hub" but unless google has a machine there, it will still have to go from there to say "seattle" so to stick with the car analogy. The speed of the car doesn't fucking help you because you have to deal with speed limits, traffic, and red lights. Your porsche will get there faster than a smart car, but not by much.
You again, in your mental illness, confuse my understanding of the situation, with me shilling for google. Latency is a huge issue, bandwidth most certainly is not, and has not been for an insanely long time. I am sorry I am simply teaching you reality.
your post is like
>ps3 sucks cause nobdoy has a tv that can outut 1080p, that is why all the games are 720p
>Actually no the issue is rendering at 1080p, most people have 1080p tvs and they use them for blu rays that outpuit at 1080p.
>FUCK YOU SONY SHILL PCVFOR LIFE NICE TRY PS3 SUCKS
All I was doing was fixing a misconception of bandwidth
If you have a copper 700mbit commection, or a copper 30mbit connection, your performance with this service will be identical

the only cool thing in this really is the youtube vid ->play the game your watching instantly thing, i imagine if they required all games to allow 10 minutes of savestate playtime for free to all viewers of some letsplay or stream of shit it would become very popular very quickly, especially with offer codes and kickbacks for the shitheat yt streaming partner - also these free instant trial things should have like, locked off sections so you cant just jump to the end of the game and ruin it for yourself

yeah it will be a really cool way to demo games.

>The Project Stream beta already proved that it works
How many people had access to the beta? Unless it had over a 100k users playing at the same time, then it doesn't mean shit. Yes, you can stream a game over the internet with adequate latency, but how many concurrent users can they actually support? What happens if too many users try to play at the same time?

It’s going to depend on how bad the input lag will be, but yeah, it looks cool

Are you unironically insinuating that Google’s cloud doesn’t get stressed enough to ensure it’ll be able to handle Statia?

As someone who actually used Geforce experiance. This issue, IMO is not latency, it is fine for single player games. But to achieve this doable latency, the game has to render a frame, transcode it, and ship it off almost instantaneously. This can result in an ugly, artifacted, blocky mess. Because, livestreams of video have drastically decreased quality over offline encodes of the same bitrate. But even those still have quite a bit of latency they can deal with. Cut that latency to as near zero as possible and the end result is an absolute dogshit quality videofeed.

You fucking retards going "waaaahhh I don't like it! it will fail! The tech is broken even though I know nothing about it!"
You're not the audience.
You know what my girlfriend said when I showed it to her? "Wow so now I can play all these games on my laptop!?" Yeah and there's millions of people in the same boat. Stadia is going to be huge.

But don't the vast majority of streamers us Twitch?

Then why wasnt OnLive successful?

>going to be

We're already there.

What does her boyfriend think about it?

>fucking dope

You're a fucking dope.

your girlfriend could have already played all those games on her laptop though...
good job being a boyfriend that doesnt teach her anything.

I don't care about it being successful I just don't want to be restricted to it. I want to be able to actually own my games in some capacity. If this could be a 4th pillar for the industry then it'd be fine, but I don't want to deal with it for exclusives.

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This. And this is really only the beginning, the internet in 20 years is going to be better than the one of today

tricky tricky Google its all fake

Why wasn't inferior tech successful? Don't ask dumb questions.

That's exactly how I feel. I'm also concerned about modding for fun and censorship. Being able to preserve old games. I hope Stadia becomes just a pillar than the new standard.

yes but you can multistream to yt if your willing to go to the trouble, often for free - theres some reliability concerns with this and dual chats is a little tricky too sometimes but its also redundant this way and yt users could still jump in probably, but the streamer host must be playing on stadia to begin with, streaming a stream - i suspect google will try to make this a hassle to garner twitch viewers but i dont think it will work x theyll have to do an api partnership with twitch so a linked yt account offers these savestate instaplay features

I want it, because i like the idea of just pulling out my phone and play some jrpgs and tactics games while I take a shit.

Also modern AAA games already prioritise input behind their pretty animation trees and if they Dev for this they'll take into account the input lag for the events and use predictive calculations for everything else, you know... Like most multiplayer games already do.

>I just don't want to be restricted to it.
Good news you don't. Shit is not zero sum. I still buy 4k blu rays and play games on a computer cause dedicated consoles suck.

twitch partnership contractually obligates you to twitch exclusivity. (live, youtube VODs are okay)The issue was never dual streaming.

holy shit, I just realized this entire project is just a ploy to get streamers to use yotube, and probably to sell some youtube red subscriptions.

All the people whining about it are going to immediately pony up once it's convenient for them to own too.

>Stadia, can I get a printout of Oyster smiling?

the idea is sound, the reality doesn't look good
they're gonna have to prove streaming will work, because everyone that has ever tried it can't do it
even steam tried that shit

>Think about how many people out there only have a netbook or chromebook or even tablet or whatever, this is huge for them
No it isn't. Any normalfag that is like this but is interested in videogames already has their call of duty/madden box of choice sitting in their living room.

yeap, they will use it as they whine. Like they do EGS, and did with Origin, and Uplay, and paid online and day one DLC, and taking a dick up the ass.
At least this doesn't really effect me as a PC gamer.

$0.02 has been deposited into your account, Rajesh. Keep up the good work!

Based

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Because the internet, computing, and the infrastructure was all radically different 10 years ago? This is going to be huge. The people waxing on about how horrible it is going to be have NO idea what they're talking about.

Imagine the customer service.

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There are a ton of people who would buy a game if there was zero barrier of entry. It’s a huuuuge level of effort to have to go to the store and buy a $200+ box which you then have to hook up to your TV vs click play and you’re playing. This is going to grow the install base by 10mil easy.

>Works on my machine, sir!

one lesson really wasn't enough

this is so fucking gay

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>literally falling for apple tier marketing

>calling it ouya 2

Fucking newfags.

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No one will become good at a game on Stadia. There's almost 2sec input lag. It's impossible to consider skill at that point.

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Better make sure the check cleared before you go throwing yourself on a sword for Google.

Cool! Same poster has conversation with himself.

lmao

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Just found out a friend of mine was in the closed beta for this. He said he was happy with the speeds and latency but he's not a great judge of those things, he works in the gaming industry (which is probably how he got into the beta) but he's a complete casual who isn't very competitive at anything and mostly just plays through every single AAA "cinematic" game once and then moves on to the next thing as soon as it comes out.

It was surreal seeing a game console where e-celebs streaming games was their priority over people playing games.

to be fair that is target demo, and the type of games they want running.

Yeah, that's true. It just doesn't mean a lot for people like us. (Or at least for people like Yea Forums wants to think it's full of, not like there's a shortage of complete mainstream casuals here.)

You are unironically stupid. Streaming games doesn't work simply based on our current understanding of physics and the physical limitations of our hardware. Just stop talking you complete fucking retarded little shit.

>parkour controls of asscreed are shit
>this is Google's fault somehow

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No, but it is okay to accept that things can exist, that aren't custom tailored with you in mind, and they can do alright without you personally buying in. It's like, no there really is not point of buying an xbone if you already have a $2000 gaming PC that you strongly prefer playing on. But that is hardly the point.

>the target for a video game streaming service are people who watch movies and tv
>the target for a video game streaming service are not people who play video games

correct. It is incredibly hard to compete for the business of people who already play videogames.

This is what people should be outraged about. Losing control over your products and having them tied to recurring payments is pure evil.
Unfortunately people will just keep arguing over latency or mods while failing to notice the overall business strategy to make you completely powerless as a consumer.

As someone who has Gamepass, Netflix, and Spotify. But still buys CDs, 4k Blu Rays, and videogames. Can you explain what you mean?

isn't Blu ray dying? All those options will be rendered obsolete on the long term for lack of profit

Companies still measure home media success in bluray sales. The Power Rangers would have been considered a failure if it only released on Hulu, now they're making a sequel because of bluray.

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>isn't Blu ray dying?
Well yeah, like DVD died when blu ray came out. 4K blu ray is the standard now. It is doing fairly well. Despite the bullshit DRM.
>All those options will be rendered obsolete on the long term for lack of profit
CD apparently died like 10 years ago yet most albums still get a CD release. Call me an old man, but I remember the first wave of rental culture, and Blockbuster did not infact kill buying movies., or games. Even when they did that cool monthly fee to rent as many games as you want. Thing.

In the very long term all things will become obsolete.

>implying there will be any customer service

Google has no human customer service at all

I can already see random accounts getting false banned by the inevitable AI they set up to do so, just like they already do with app developers on the Play store.

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>most albums still get a CD release.
Ultimately publishers will decide the fate of Stadia, CDs make more money for struggling artists compared to Spotify. You're thinking too much of the tech rather than the business model. If Publishers love Stadia you will lose control regardless as more games become exclusive there.
They will also use the cheater/hacker excuse to make you jump onboard.

>this kills the ISP

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>CDs make more money for struggling artists compared to Spotify
The main factor is that it is not zero sum. They can sell on itunes or whatever as well.
>You're thinking too much of the tech rather than the business model
I think you are more concerned with paranoid delusions and zero sum hyperbole than reality.
>If Publishers love Stadia you will lose control regardless as more games become exclusive there.
Publishers love selling $60 games, publishers love their own subscription services. Publishers love whatever platform people are playing on. If you want to sound like less of an idiot, at least say Gamepass instead of Stadia. Stadia is a neat idea, it may serve some niche and break even or turn a tidy profit for google. It is not going to replace local rendering

Where did this come from? I'm trying to find a source.

>If Publishers love Stadia you will lose control regardless as more games become exclusive there.
Good thing no Japanese companies will be putting exclusives on Stradia.

>Publishers love selling $60 games, publishers love their own subscription services. Publishers love whatever platform people are playing on.
For someone who thinks his argument is based on reality, it sure is the opposite.
Explain how Epic, EA and Ubisoft moved their games to their own store? Explain how they wouldn't potentially do the same if the Stadia ecosystem is better for saving cost of hosting their own games and not having to bundle Denuvo with them?

Not impressed.
The latency looked bad even in their stage demo.

I wouldn't be surprised if Google cuts a backdoor deal with Comcast et al to exempt Stadia from data caps.

is moot working on it?

sure.
>Epic
Sells games to you to own, at a fixed price, locally renders them on your computer. It is simply a storefront. Their business model is to buy enough exclusives that they have a large install base and base of customers using both Epic and Steam, such that developers start jumping overdue to the 88-94% cut, v.s. steam. Whether it will work I have no idea, but ultimately games run the same as they do on steam.
>EA
while offering a subscription in Origin Premiere, the games are still rendered locally, and every single game offers the ability to be purchased individually no games are locked behind the subscription. EA does this because they can make money off people who don't want to pay for every single game, AS WELL as people who want to just own the game. They take the extra 30% margin a third party retailer like steam would take. THe games run the same as they would on steam
>Uplay
does not offer a subscription or streaming service. Only sells games to own, to consumers. Runs the same as steam, simply does not give a cut to a third party retailer.
I can explain steam to if you want to ask how that exists.
What is your next argument? Car2go will replace owning a car, because Tesla opted to not go through dealerships? as if these two things are tangently related?>
>Explain how they wouldn't potentially do the same if the Stadia ecosystem is better for saving cost of hosting their own games and not having to bundle Denuvo with them?
because Stadia is a a third party streaming service that will most likely be based on a subscription service? thus limiting their options as streaming comes with serious technical limitations that their PC gaming, or console gaming consumers may not want. While streaming services might generate you revenue off people who would otherwise buy the game, it does not replace the revenue of an actual sale, this is why EA and M$ still let you buy their games? this is why HBO and Netflix Series still have blu ray releases.

>ISPs will do something that will get them less money

No they fucking won't, you idiot.

They have tried extorting Netflix for years though.

Not even microsoft cloud. Gamepass is pretty dope cause it's this whole games on demand done in a way that's feasible with current tech. You pay a monthly fee and get access to a whole library that you can download as if you owned it and play as much as you want without any of the hurdles or problems of trying to stream it.

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Here's your streaming service, bro!
youtube.com/watch?v=ZHU6yLH8yeY

It will be pretty cool, once it is seemless with xcloud though, and PC is better supported.
>download locally to Xbone and PC
>Stream to your phone, either from your PC, XBox or a Microsoft server based on which is ht e best option in your current situation.
>all with a fully synced cloud save or ever having to double dip.

This. She's one of the very few women in gaming I respect.

>the FGC
you don't mean the fighting game community right? I doubt they'll be super interested in this
most of them prefer offline for the lack of latency
the only upside I can see to this is that fighting games would now have less bullshit connection issues to deal with, you have your connection to google, the other guy has his connection to google, if his connection sucks and he lags it won't make you lag as well

Video games will NEVER be the same. this day will go down in history.

30 year old boomer here unironically in IT as a sales engineer. What's the big deal? While I'm massively skeptical of how it will reduce input delay and the like over a streaming platform, I do consider the fact the people working at google aren't going to roll out a buggy mess, broken mess where one needs fiber internet. Even if you need a very fast connection, I can definitely see this as a trend that will eventually be how we experience games. Everything is a streaming service or an app nowadays. Get used to it.

Google showed off some of the worst case scenarios, as like a benchmark or tech demo. And Yea Forumstards confused this as them thinking it was the target off the system.

google has been dropping the ball on a lot of new services they have released in the past few years. Just look at allo

Ad someone who works customer support for 5 years now, I'd say 80 percent of issues are due to user error/incompetence. When someone says "have you restarted your device?" youd be surprised how many idiots would say no. Some people even say no and I can tell if they have or not if I use another tool. I hate ppl

This is from the demo room, likely connected directly to the server. Not good

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If the game is turn base, puzzle or shit doesn't need twitch reflexes, I think it'll have no problem. Expecting to play some action shit on streaming should give people bad experience. Even their demo game shit was horrible to look at.

>this is why HBO and Netflix Series still have blu ray releases.
I doubt Google would want a Netflix situation where they don't actually have movies or shows due to failure to secure licencing. Netflix started making their own shows and movies because of that, will Google start making their own games if this happens?

Can't wait for the "You're the 10000th in queue" pictures. 10000 because I seriously doubt they will provide enough hardwares for 1 millions concurrent users.

>he pushes button several times in panic

ouya at least lets you own your fucking games in some capacity

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How will region locks work on this? If I am out if the country can I no longer access games? Do I have to use a vpn?

I wonder if this would usher a new age of JRPGs and Story driven games.

>holy shit, I just realized this entire project is just a ploy to get streamers to use yotube, and probably to sell some youtube red subscriptions.

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Given they are not releasing it in Japan as of right now and Japan's nature to keep Japanese games on Japanese consoles. Don't get too excited.

>phil harrison

wow he popa up everywhere

they started a game studio yeah. I think the aim is just to make a few experiences tailored to high latency gameplay.
really wasn't my point though. My point, was Netflix, who literally makes shows solely to sell their subscription based streaming service. Still sells those shows on DVD and blu ray.

S'GAE!

Please do not buy this crap. Please do not support this crap. Yea Forums do not want the vidya industry to start heading in this direction. "Games as a service" model is bullshit. Cloud computing is bullshit. Game streaming is and always has been unnecessary bullshit.

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