Stadia doesn't have input l-

think about this, if this stadia thing catches on and becomes the future, they are going to design games to work around input lag, meaning games are going to be even less responsive, no more tight controls and skill based games, but then again western games have already become like this anyway.

Well, at least he said he doesn't play games.

FIFA has a pretty big time between you pressing the stick and your character reacting too.

Show the assassins creed one, it was way more noticeable there with 3+ seconds between hitting A and jumping

Finally, fighting games will die.

That's not funny, user. Don't joke like that anymore.

there is literally a better and free alternative

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What even is stadia?

It's a pre-recorded video and he just fakes the motions. What do you think happens during the E3 conferences? Do you really think they are playing those games on stage?

and thats a fucking stage demo.

a game streaming service such as PSNow

>if this stadia thing catches
haven't you paid attention? Microsoft mentioned the same exact service when they announced Halo on pc few days ago. They briefly showed someone the exact same thing and told it's coming out this year.

There's about to be a massive push for "streaming-games"

>50 cents were added to your paypal

I still don't believe this will work
I tried yesterday to play A FUCKING VISUAL NOVEL with steam link on my android and worked like shit

It's Yet Another Game Streaming Service, like OnLive, Playstation Now, or that shit that nVidia is pushing.
It's the same shit with the same problem: Latency.

Is there a conceivably a way to have the game stream purposefully lag a bit to compensate the same way you match audio/video when streaming?

youtu.be/VG06H7IQ9Aw?t=689
>166 ms of input lag
OH
NO
NO
NO
NO

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yes, games are going to be designed so that precise controls are not necessary any more, aka babby casual games, new technology is all about simplifying and streamlining things, and google no doubts wants to create the singularity for games.

I don't have a brainlet wojak with a brain small enough to represent you

YIKES

There is no way even the 1080p 60fps is gonna be smooth. Are they assuming that when you are playing you are going to have the optimal environment (no one else connected to the internet, close to the access point?) Them having all the high end hardware on their end means nothing if you dont have Top Tier Internet. And having it work on low powered systems seems like bs because you still need some sort of hardware performance to be able to stream it. I cant boot up an old netbook from 2008 with 2g of ram and a celeron processor and watch a live youtube stream at 480p without it literally locking the thing down, so how can they make a budget pc run a fully interact able game at 1080?

Yep. Shitty movie games and Bamham games that play themselves are the future. Precise timing and movement is a niche genre.

LMAO

We already have that shit in phone land. See the supercell games like clash royalle. They call it a "casting delay".

This is the stage demo. Meaning that it will never preform better than it does right now. How many games have gotten upgrades after stage presentations?

>third world internet, the experience

Is this just a prank? where is the camera? I dont like this anymore

>166 ms
>this is the future of gaming

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I LOVE

I FUCKING LOVE how ID software tried to promote a fast paced game like doom on this delayshit. Are they fucking serious? There is no way you will be able to play fast paced fps or arcade shooters with this level of input lag. Imagine people on a fucking 2-10mb connection. There's no way. Game streaming is the biggest meme ever

>2.7 GHz
what a joke
>but muh cores
i haven't seen a modern game use more than 2 to their full capacity, single core performance is all that matters for gaming.

The average person doesn't care, and many of them simply do not notice.

That's the problem, as it has always been.

>as much lag as consoles

Google actually won. Streaming is the future. Only boomers deny this.

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normalfag npc golems will eat this shit up

>so how can they make a budget pc run a fully interact able game at 1080

Hardware accelerated decoding.

Obviously a device that can't play a youtube video at 1080p60 won't be capable of playing games on this at 1080p60.

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a leaf from a south american plant, the extract of which is totally just like real gaming and you can't tell the difference

winced irl. how the fuck do they think this is playable? do they put quaaludes in the coffee at their HQ?

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GOOGLER GOOBERS

Average person is so bad at video games that they will still lose to someone playing on a Stadia.

This console is fine but it wont compete with sony/microsoft simply because its google, they have so many products that nobody knows it exists. They would need 247 marketing campaigns across the globe for like a year straight for people to recognize it.

Now test a game that doesn't have a fuckton of input delay already.

A flat 66ms on top of a game which has 30ms of delay in the worst case is going to be a way worse experience.

But the game just has horrible input delay, even on Xbox One X its 145ms

i don't belive its 166 at all, the fucking livestream they showed had almost a full second of lag

The "average" person isn't a real gamer. Gringe all you want by that statement, but it's the truth. None of these fucking people I saw on stage know anything about gaming. This is the equivalent of facebook gaming a few years back. This is not what gaming is about, fuck google and fuck every "average" person who thinks they know anything about games.

well that came a bit late

Wow, that's some fucking awful input delay for a keyboard and mouse.
Fucking disgusting.

that's pretty good isn't it? if the input lag is on par with your reaction time shouldnt it be unnoticeable?

doesn't it require shillvidya card?

The average normie shitter isn't going to care at all. This really is going to be the Netflix of games.

I hope Digital Foundry don't shill for this because they are very good jewish sellers
They actually convinced normies to buy a GTX 1080ti in 2017

Besides this won't even run at 60fps so it's way better to buy an used PS4Pro for 200 bucks and enjoy the same 30fps shit without input lag

On the other hand, people who defend RDR2's input lag can't really shit on this. :)

ba dum tssh

Jesus christ.

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The most challenging games never required precise input controls. That's just ADHD fodder.

>manta dodging with a full second of input delay
I can't fucking wait

>Digital foundry making up numbers to shill for Google
166ms latency is non-issue on PC and consoles. Most people will end up with 80ms because of TV outside of game mode

Nigga how the fuck you reach that conclusion
It's additive

Retard. How do you react to something that your body hasn't even processed yet?

that webm doesnt really prove anything since pressing A while standing does nothing in asscreed.

theres no dedicated jump button.

checked

>100ms on PC.
In what fucking universe do these clown live LMAO

such as?

Nah, input latency on consoles is pretty bad thanks to all the wireless shit, low framerates, and Vsync.
That said it's still better than this shit Google's trying to push.

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Wrong
If you're reaction time is slow, that makes the whole experience when worse. By the time you react and try to move your character, you still have to wait for the game to react. Lag + reaction time not lag = reaction time.

I will bite, what are the most challenging games you speak of user?

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So run your tests and get back to me

God, Yea Forumsirgins get dumber and dumber every fucking day.

Your average person turns on motion smoothing on their $50 black friday tv because they think it looks better and play fortnite on their phone because their friends do.

Your average person will spend less per capita on games, but there are way more of them than the actual buyfags. Plus, how many people on Yea Forums pirate or buy cheap grey market keys anyway? Netflix is king and Google wants those normie bucks

jesus christ

probably picked some game with horrible input delay so the extra delay added by streaming the game makes up less of the total.

based

Sure, but that doesn't matter. They dictate where the market goes.

Maybe it's fine though. Maybe the AAA market and most of the whine-about-steam-all-day indies abandoning traditional platforms is fine. If we're only left with passion projects at the end of all this, maybe that's OK.

No they don't, ANYONE who plays games outside of women will IMMEDIATELY change their TV to game mode because that shit is unplayable otherwise.
Unless you're literally developmentally disabled you're going to notice that shit.

>mfw imagining playing any fighting game with this

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I don't understand why wireless adds so much delay on consoles, wireless mice have a delay on par with wired mice and that has been the case for years now.

Forgot something.

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First you see it, then you react. The faster you can see it, the faster you can react. If your reaction time is slower, your slow reaction still has to wait until it sees what it is going to slowly react to. Input lag and a slow reaction time compound to an even bigger delay, they don't cancel out to a smaller one.

Keep telling that to yourself and everyone you know, so they'll try it, hate it and then dislike you.

I knew more normies who just plugged in their xboxes and played than I do ones who were smart enough to go into settings and set a resolution above 480p.

The average and median consumer are really, really droll. Just like the average car driver likely can't name a single part other than "the engine" if they opened the hood.

I stopped playing after brotherhood but I distinctly remember that if you stood still while holding the right trigger and pressing A you would jump in place

?

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Doom 2016. Probably one of the only upgrades ever.

>implying they're not going to use their AI to analayze your playstyle and then "predict" your button presses to "mitigate" the input lag, an AI ether digital ghost of yourself is playing the game for you and tricking you into thinking that you are playing the game when you are in fact not.

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ur dum

>How many games have gotten upgrades after stage presentations?
Is this sarcasm?

Literally zero. It will almost certainly be worse than this.

>microphone is always on
oh boy

>shit talk opponent in online game
>stadia detects it
>terminates all my google related accounts

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *inhales* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You don't even need friends to know this. Just look at the average twitch thot to get an idea. Hell look at fucking GAME REVIEWERS of all people to see this. Look at fucking Giant Bomb that Yea Forums jerks over and see how terrible almost every single one of them are at games.

I was watching marilyn manson live. It's fucking degenerate. People in the crowd cheer for a freak dressed up as a failed drag queen
Today I watched people clap at Assassins Creed

What is wrong with western people?

>press button
>"...oh fuck he's not jumping"
>MASH MASH
>...
>jump happens

Is my mind playing tricks on me or is it actually noticable? What would that be like a 30ms delay? Jeezus.

Yeah, it's almost as funny as suggesting first person shooters would be made worse to accommodate inferior control schemes.

that's like a 200ms delay

>I stopped playing after brotherhood
this explains everything then.

they kept changing the controls with each iteration of the games after brotherhood.

in odyssey, A is the run/parkour button. you cant manually jump. you just hold down the button and press forward.

the correct plural of stadium

then you haven't played many modern games, retard

I watched a human squat in the street and poo. It's fucking degenerate. People in the street cheer for a freak pants down with his balls out. Today, I watched a criminal ring of immigrants abduct a girl in broad daylight to be sold into slavery.

What is wrong with Eastern People?

>die in front of tv from heart attack
>game continues to play itself as your body rots away

>PC
>100-130ms
LOL

jump
...
...
...
...
BING WAHOO

see not even defending the stadia and its latency issues but still doesnt excuse people from not knowing how the game is played.

>PC - 100+ms
I'm sorry, what?

Moon light?

This.

>video games are finally going to be dead to me
sweet release...

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F-f-f-finally...

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I'm retarded I thought 100ms = 1s

i mean they're not demoing the game, they're demoing the tech. i'm sure the tech will get better over time as it is inevitable. still not ready for gaming yet tho.

Dont give up cat, there are still tons of old games to play.

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>when 166ms is actualy 1,6s

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i don't get it, is google retarded?
JUST DELAY THE IMAGE 1 SECOND AND THERE IS NO INPUT LAG

how much will input lag be reduced by connecting the gamepad directly via wi-fi, bypassing your PC/console?

honestly not that much worse than using vsync

I legit don't see it... am I retarded guys?

these doesn't even make sense as a joke

REVOLUTION IN GAMREVOLUTION IN GAMING

Fucking A, what a moron you are
>joke
>woosh
>over your head and even through your skull

that's exactly what it does. I don't think anyone has had a chance to test the new controller sufficiently for that..

>the best case scenario, literally tapped in directly to google
>the big reveal, has to be perfect
>not only does the reveal stream fuck up, the latency is laughably bad for the "service" in said best case scenario
this has to be a money laundering scheme
i refuse to believe that they're this stupid, and get paid as much as they do

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Cool, ran it through a browser testing monitor delay time. 15.3ms. Where is your 100ms bro?

My PC isn't even top of the line.

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>tfw learning game dev
>tfw software ownership will die in my lifetime
>tfw it's only a matter of time before inevitably being swallowed by Google for %0.00001 profit share.

Where is that from? I want to test mine too.

Wow, look at those generalized stats that don't include any PC specs. Sorry my PC isn't a toaster.

The tech will not get better because the speed of light is a constant.

>not being so good at video games that you can predict what’s going to happen and press the input before you are attacked even with input lag

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only huge nerds care about input lag anyway ;^)

>Is this sarcasm?
do you serious not know what a rhetorical question is?

Surely it's the same as remote play ps4 etc. I tried that shit a bunch, out of the couple times it worked, uncharted ran pretty well but had slight input lag & would occasionally pixelate. Tried driveclub, literally unplayable lag & input lag with over 100mbs.

Any action/combat/racing games are gonna be pretty annoying to play

Random site testing a bunch of refresh rates, delay times and monitor mprt. There are many like them, even ones you can download. I used the first I could find
>www.testufo.com/mprt

blurbusters ufo test

This service isn't for people that have good PCs

And only faggots like sucking on dried out white turds. Glad I'm just a nerd, faggot

>browser rendering nothing is the same and rendering through a game pipeline

Holy shit Yea Forums you're so fucking stupid sometimes

>166ms
Literally unplayable garbage. What an absolute JOKE.

>service
Stop

>dont worry I'm sure they will overcome the laws of physics soon

You can't stop the future :)

this isn't real capitalism guys

>rendering nothing, except it does. You can even adjust what to render and unlike a simple video this site actually renders elements on screen in real time. There is literally nothing you can do about it, you got btfo. PC literally cannot have higher delay times than a streaming service, kill yourself.

That's your display lag not the entire input lag you dumb sack of marbles

It's shit right now but soon enough these streaming services will become the main thing and we all be forced to deal with it

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It'll join this in a few years
gcemetery.co

>that delay
this shit streaming will not work with current servers and internet, maybe in 10 years.

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I love how this shit was made by people that doesn't play any videogames apart from mobile shit and think 133ms is acceptable

Nearest server 100 miles away -> Nearest server 50 miles away
Halved the latency.
Nearest server 50 miles away -> Nearest server 5 miles away
10x improvement

You don't even know what persistence means. It's only one factor.

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Imagine multiplayer. Input lag on top of regular multiplayer latency.

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Consider the logistics of putting a datacenter every ten miles.

50 cents per post, where do I sign up?!

TEST THE GAME RETARD, NOT YOUR SCREEN

>33fps
lol...

we need to send information faster than light and/or having optical routers with 0% processing time to ever have a non-noticeable input lag on a streaming service.

>double buffer vsync
>implying that can hold a 33fps framerate when it literally can't and only nintendo still use this outdated vsync tech
>12ms LCD
>CPU time stacked up
LMOA someone actually believed this

To be fair, that could be more of the mouse rather than input lag. Some games played with mouse and keyboard have an input lag for some retarded fucking reason. "LOL UR PLAYIN OUR GAEM RONG PLAY WIT CONTROLUH" fuckin assholes. But it wouldn't surprise me if there was an input lag. Fuck google.

there won't be an added multiplayer input lag since both you and your opponent will be inputing your commands directly into the same server.

A 60fps game is rendered entirely in only 16ms you fucking retard

JIDF has good entry-level positions

>everyone already forgot about MUHHH TACHYONS

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t. rebbit

>mouse lag 8 ms
Should be 1 ms
>GPU 33 FPS on PC
It would be around 5 ms with 240 fps. CPU time would be lower
>motherfucking DOUBLE vsync 16.67 ms
No comments.
>monitor 12 ms
A good monitor has less than 5 ms.

What a retarded picture.

or just put the server in your own home and have the same user experience you are having right now

so much effort for bait

Google shills think everyone is a tech illiterate

bro you don't understand we're harnessing the power of the cloud
you're living in 2008 meanwhile we're living in 2200

> inevitable

dohohoho

Google will probably make that possible at some point down the line.
Until then there's nothing stopping you from building the same thing with Debian on AMD hardware and Steam's streaming functionality.

Congrats, fighting games and any game that requires lightning fast inputs are unplayable on this garbage.

youtube.com/watch?v=WJSn1WmzHaQ

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I end up with 50ms latency INSIDE the game mode. Outside of it it is more than 100ms

NAH NAH NAH THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN LIVE, RIGHT?

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ONE USER

THIS IS STADIA WITH ONE USER

LMAO DEAD ON ARRIVAL

>mfw I have 1ms persistence from a cheap BenQ monitor for less than 200$ for years
>mfw everybody else uses 16ms to 8ms persistence while spending 500 to 1000$ and telling me "what motion blur, I dont see any motion blur"
mfw I am dealing with the next generation of "24 fps is all the human eye can see" retards

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Should be fine for the typical casual console game tho. Google's got a cashcow here. Guaranteed.

That's what, 2 seconds delay before the jump happened? Holy shit.

it was their entire presentation

Gaming is dead.

>Should be fine for the typical casual console game tho.
no it isn't.

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Well of course it was half an A press

Double buffer vsync in 2019, lol. Also, 33 fps and 12ms LCD response time? Who would willingly put themselves through playing games like this

>Well of course it was half an A press

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are you blind? Wireless decreases the latency on the ps4 side. Wireless vs wired is completely irrelevant. It is vsync on vs off basically and that the pc can pump out twice the frames, thus the most recent frame is closer to the input than on console.

People that don't have gaming PCs like this is meant for.

I honestly can not understand the product design. The box, name and logo feel like one of those 1000 games Chinese knock-off.

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>they are going to design games to work around input lag
This already fucking happened with the switch to HDTVs, brainlet. I played Bloodborne with absolutely no issues streaming, because games today are not intended to be even vaguely responsive. 200ms+ of delay is EXPECTED by developers.

I played until 3 (never finished that boring shit) and WHAT? They dumbed down the controls even further? What AC desperately needed was more deliberate controls, not even more automation. Having one button you're always holding down just to say
>yes, I actually want to go somewhere and not be slow
is bad. Switching this from a trigger to a facebutton makes it even worse as now you can't control the fucking camera while moving NORMALLY in the game. Wtf is wrong with Ubisoft?

>he thinks there's a box

Pretty much every Nintendo game, but they're the exception.

Rendering is ONE factor

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memes are finally becoming reality except now the issue will be google home

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Never thought about VR. No fucking way that's gonna happen

>BenQ monitor for less than 200$ for years
Give me name.

Well it won't help them with the LCD lag, also I hope they can afford a connection thats better tier than their PC.

>>over your head and even through your skull
You really should proofread.

>you cant manually jump
into the trash it goes

>150ms latency
wow modern technology allows us to play our games at the same technical level as ss13

Streaming is a cool idea, we're just not there yet in terms of bandwidth+data caps. Give it 10 more years and this will be alright

>Google actually wants FGC tournaments to be run on Stadia
Jesus christ

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>the tech will get better over time
That's what they said about Onlive and Playstation Now. Surprise, no one really cared for them once they realized that input lag and streaming quality is a terrible idea for games.

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10 is generous. basically everything BUT internet speed has doubled in the past few years

...

So what exclusives will they reveal at E3?

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AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

perhaps they should have waited for the tech to get to a good place before demoing it. 10 years from now when its finally at a good place nobody will care about it anymore now.

>www.testufo.com/mprt

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Imagine that instead of the 1080p square viewport you're accustomed to a game generating, it was instead generating a 4k or 8k sphere viewport which was then dynamically transformed at the headset level.
The user would be able to look around with zero input lag while the world around them is rendered remotely.

probably a ubisoft dlc and nothing else

No it wont. They said the exact same shit with OnLive and all that other shit. The tech is fundamentally flawed and inferior.

Google is hoping that their shit becomes the 128k mp3 of vidya, even though it objectively sucks it wins on price and convenience. And they might be right and we are just oldfags whining about muh superior audio quality.

have sex

You wont notice the input latency if you have below room temperature IQ, aka, potato reaction time

>VR latency

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It was more obvious when he was using the tablet.

Implying that third person cover shooters need good input quality.

No one uses 128kbps mp3s dude, Spotify supports 320kbps vorbis and Apple Music uses 256kbps AAC which is equal to 320kbps vorbis, if not a little better.

Interesting, my results are the exact same.

>we are just oldfags whining about muh superior audio quality.

Pretty much. Same thing happened with movies. YIFY was the most popular release for movies before streaming got so big and Blu-ray is fucking dying.

Thanks, doc.

XL2411 (be sure to calibrate the color to better colors)
(be sure to use Blur buster utility to further reduce blur by adjusting the settings, and use the custom resolution trick to further reduce any kind of blurring)
(you wont believe the amount of retards that don't calibrate their monitors for better colors or less blur, it's fucking amazing, I even heard retards getting 144hz monitor and then using it in 60hz setting for years without realizing it)
Lastly, the only thing I dislike about this monitor is that to use the 144hz 1080p, you need to use DVI-D link and not every videocard has it these days. Besides that one inconvenience its amazing.

I can't really tell if it's input lag or just one of those retarded "life fluid movement" gimmicks. Lots of games have that intentional delay in response to simulate the way a real person/horse moves.I've never played Odessey.

Mine aren't.

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It doesn't matter, some games will have both

How do you properly calibrate your monitor?

>We are past 2018
>the XBOX no longer exists

They didn't know...they couldn't have known...

Origins/Odessey movement is very fluid.

wanna meet up?

Tbh yeah I can. The input lag in RDR2 is not distracting, at least to me, and gives the game a weighty feel, but any significant additional input lag and it would be unplayable.

Seriously now? What about when sharing first hit the scene. It was 128k on Napster, Limewire, etc. People found it to be good enough and it destroyed the industry. The higher quality stuff came later.

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are you retarded

Says the complete imbecile that doesn't know what a boomerang is.

Literal moron.

>FUCKING WOOSH AGAIN

1000 PLAYER MEME ROYALE

>they'd just switch to PC or some shit
do they seriously still use consoles for fighting game tournaments?
wew lad

How did it destroy the industry

not even. The last thing you want in those games are unresponsive menus

Yeah, the PS4 has honestly been horrible for tournaments. Yet google somehow made something worse

This is like arguing that people are willing to go back to using CRTs because they used them at one point in time.
A more apt comparison would be Netflix, which became popular because it offered decent quality, most people still bought DVDs (if they bought movies at all after watching them in theatres) and not Blurays when streaming started rise and watched shows on Cable TV and Netflix was a better experience all around.

yes because the last time they tried using PC, everything always crashed and had connection issues.

It plays itself.

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What am I suppose to be seeing here it looks fine.

Are you ready for the future?

youtube.com/watch?v=VG06H7IQ9Aw&t=690

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It won't ever happen. Even if Google paid them a ton of money, fighting game players would never tolerate it. If they paid off EVO for it, they MIGHT still attend, but would spend the rest of the week bitching about it on Twitch and saying they look forward to going to some other tournament soon that still uses the consoles. Fighting game fags do not fuck around.

watch the mouse but pay attention to the screen in your peripheral vision.

>166ms
>166ms
>166ms

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All this proved is google and co are non gaming retards

You know, if you want the equivalent style gaming experience, but with superior latency.
Just buy a decent PC and put it on a credit card, and pay $x each month till it's paid off.

LMFAO

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>What am I suppose to be seeing here it looks fine.

typical NPC responce

Show me them playing Osu! on that shit and I will believe that it doesn't have imput lag.

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I love how they bragged about water being simulated realistically when it reality those small details would be artifacted as fuck on a stream.

I didnt know she was in on this, Im sold bros

what the fuck is up with RDR2's inputs anyway, streamed RDR2 would be horrible

Anyone got a link to the stream (recorded)? I'm lazy

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So you cant point out whats wrong with it? Im more than willing to hate this but I really dont see the issue, it looks like its running as it would on a normal platform.

Yeah, pretty smart. BUT that would only eliminate rotational lag. If you just move your head in space without rotating it, you'll notice right away that the picture is not responding to your movements in time.

not him but I'm really not in on the big tech words is he moving before the game or something

what an embarrassment

I wanna play jade's game
I wanna suck the game dry and tongue fuck it as jade squirms around and screams

What? There's at least a half second delay.

this is the lowest latency they measured btw
it was higher most of the time

either tools that you buy or lend, or use color profiles for your monitor and test them out. Also check blur buster utility.

There's a massive lag between mouse movement and game response. If you can't see it then congratulations, you are google's customer demographics.

>How many games have gotten upgrades after stage presentations?
DoA 6

its mostly because the kind of physics the game has thanks to euphoria. Rockstar wanted you to feel the weight of everything so thats why it seems like your inputs are so delayed.

man, no body will want this gaybox. dead on arrival.

I hope this will go well and start a streaming future. Not needing to buy an expensive gaming pc and no download times, just needing an okay internet connection and netflix tier subscription sounds excellent.

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GTA IV, V and RDR were nowhere near as bad though (still quite bad sometimes)

Calm down guys, all new AAA game releases will be designed so that you are not affected negatively by 1s latency, don’t worry about it.

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>input animation

GOD I FUCKING HATE THIS SHIT
EVEN DMC5 HAS THIS RETARDED SHIT TO MAKE THE CHARACTER "LE REALISTIC" I DON'T GIVE A FUCK I'M PLAYING A GAME LET ME TURN IMMEDIATELY REEEEEEEEEEEE

I have the same monitor. I used to do the custom resolution trick with the blur reduction but I just couldn't stand how dark it makes the monitor.

>they actually think fighting autists will use this piece of shit with at best 166ms of lag
I haven't laughed this hard in years, the fucking nerve of these people

Same goes for RTS, MOBA and non casual shooters.

>tfw same arguments people made for the Ouya

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It's a lot more noticeable if you look at the compass at the top compared to the mouse movements.

OH NO NO NO NO

>with at best 166ms of lag
Google have basically infinite resources and that is the best they could do?

Calm down bro, new fighting games will be optimized so that you’re not at a disadvantage for having huge input lags.

>I have the same monitor. I used to do the custom resolution trick with the blur reduction but I just couldn't stand how dark it makes the monitor.
Nigger?! You can adjust the strobing to make it lighter(more motion blur) or darker(less motion blur). The resolution trick ACTUALLY makes things lighter, not darker and it lets you reduce blur even more, while reducing the bonus brightness.
What fucking strobe settings you using? Tell me the numbers

Can someone link me where google is trying to get the fgc to use stadia? I want a good laff.

Feels like he was trying to mimic the movements of a pre recorded video

Alright I can see it, even if its marginal. Not that thats good mind you, any kind of input delay is bad and having it built in as part of the system is fucking stupid. Makes me wonder if you are playing multiplayer games, which platforms players are you lotted with, PC? People using this garbo are going to get railed simply by using this platform let alone their competence at the game.

When FF7 remake comes out and everything between then, I guess I'll be done with giving attention to any new non-pc exclusive games afterwards.

People with slow ass internet would save a lot more money buying a $400 console than upgrading their speed. Consoles are already supposed to be for people with less money or don't want to fuck around with building a PC. If that's not good enough, then stick to Facebook and phone games or fuck off.

>can't afford a console
>but can afford 200mbs connection speed

We told you about advanced capitalism Yea Forums we warned you dog

...

Yeah I know, the resolution trick makes it a *bit* lighter. but nowhere near normal levels. No idea what strobe numbers i was using.

look up on wikipedia. it's some technical term astronomers use for some thingmagig

>People using this garbo are going to get railed simply by using this platform let alone their competence at the game.
That’s where developers come in. They can work to make it fair for everyone.

>play battle royale

>have to predict where people are 3 seconds in advance to hit them

THE FUTURE OF GAMING

>can't afford console
>can afford a $20 subscription + game costs
>can afford a fibre connection

>it's a great development
>it will become even more profitable to develop games for sub 90-iqs poor people who work three jobs and play 90 second sessions
>or for unemployed people who describe themselves as too lazy to read when they actually just can't

Imagine playing Killzone 2 on this

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Fuck off reddit

this. what's the point again of that shit?

muh ghz is just as bad you fucking brainlet.

>saving and investing the subscription money for a year would pay for an actual console

>Switch
>XBONE
>PS4
>STD

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Don’t worry user, bullets will be guided to your target to a certain degree so you aren’t punished by the latency.

This is just an excuse to increase 5g infrastructure demands to shorten our lifespans.

>Yeah I know, the resolution trick makes it a *bit* lighter. but nowhere near normal levels.
heres mine you poor retard.
I adjusted it to reduce as much motion blur while keeping it bright enough for comfortable use.
I could maybe bump the brightness a tiny bit for "richness" but beyond that it would literally become uncomfortable and I have no idea why you need that much brightness.

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lol what movie is this from?

imagine the figths with that shit.
Also name one person that wouldn't instant vomit if any car game had this lag.

just kill me now

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How can a company with so much data like Google make fucking awful decisions like this?

>Jade Raymond is the head of this train wreck

and remember, their servers are currently pristine and empty.

>what is google glass

Looks like it was 2ms. Not sure how you have 8 mine only goes up to 5ms perrsistence.

it does but there is also steam link

>if we create fake data we win

No shit, that's a marketing strategy at work. You think those are real people posting that bullshit?

AMD poorfags need not post.

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I know, yet they repeat their failures over and over.

>nononon it doesnt' count there's the rendering bro
nodevs should be put down without mercy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadion_(unit)
In this context its almost certainly a reference to how little distance they want there to be between you and the servers you'll be accessing.

This makes no fucking sense.

Google Glass, Google Plus, Google Wave, Orkut, Google Answers, Google Video.

Google is even worse than Valve when it comes to actually sticking a landing.

they have so much capital that they'll throw money at an idea if someone makes it sound cool, regardless of whether or not there's any actual substance to it, because a few of them will probably succeed and make so much money that they'll cover all the lemons they backed a hundred times over. This is how silicon valley and especially startups operate.

their "test" subjects were probably nobrand chink shit and supermarket prebuilt with the free norton doing the first scan of the capture tool.

Suicide Squad

I can't find any for the Asus vg278q

HAHAHAHAHA Stevia DOA

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>166ms
Bullshit. It was clearly a lot more than that. The character was clearly still fully moving long after the guy was no longer on the keyboard.

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killedbygoogle.com/

>hey let's change the subject to a tech that does DOUBLE RENDERING
>woop it's still half the official value I'm defending, o well

For every one of these failed projects, they have one that is a massive success. So I don't really see what the point is here.

Playstation Now is already better and has games like RDR1.

I too love throwing money away for useless gimmicks like physx and rtx, don't forget PREMIUM for being invited to cool NVIDIA™ club + tip.

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>166 ms
I expected more, much more than that. This is scarily manageable. I hoped it would be much worse. Ask any third worlder who plays exclusively multiplayer games at 300+ms.
Normies will eat it up, they won't notice the difference. We're fucked.

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If you aren’t worried, you should be, because every new console will push for this shit, each with their own streaming service.

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Yeah, user, I agree. Parsec IS really cool!

Playstation Now is shit.

Shit quality, shit bitrate. Fucking felt like 500ms delay. I sure hope psnow isn't better than stadia or it's DoA.

>the poorfag AMDouche posts an image of public transport
you must be really familiar with that

I’m a third worlder and I get 130ms on American servers. It’s not bearable on anything aside of MMOs. Also, that’s a lot more than 166ms for sure.

>they have one that is a massive success

List them.

The search engine and the email service.

Yeah, I remember playing quake 3 back in the day and anything higher than 50 ms was terrible. Playing with 100 ms of lag is ridiculous.

>list them so you can tell me they aren't successes and you don't use them

lmao just think about them faggot. Google Maps is one of the most widely used and innovative services.

I played in the project stream beta, didn't even notice any input lag. Yea Forums will fling shit over anything.

Maps, Mail, Pixel, search engine. Android, I guess? What else?

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Holy shit, the url shortener is getting discontinued too. I wonder what will happen to all shortened urls

>Consoles are already supposed to be for people with less money or don't want to fuck around with building a PC
only the latter, NOT the former. consoles are more expensive than PC ever since Sony followed MS and made multiplayer a subscription.

Emulation niggers haven't given a fuck about input lag for decades, do you think normalfags will be bothered by this in the slightest?

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>DOUBLE RENDERING

That's not how it works either. You should just stop posting.

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This is the fucking end and you’re helping them kill video games

This project could help "us" though as in more and more games being developed for vulkan and thus being linux compatible without an emulation layer between it.

>Emulation niggers haven't given a fuck about input lag for decades
That's not true and you know it.

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good.

at last... at last

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ms of input lag
GOOGLE ON SUICIDEWATCH

Input lag has only now gotten to tolerable levels in emulators is my point, and no one minded it before. Hell try out literally any game that uses analog control in the dumpster fire that is MAME and tell me there's no room for improvement.

To be fair, that level of input lag is pretty much imperceptible to your average normalfag who plays on huge TVs with loads of processing that already adds in 50ms or more of latency.
But that is within ideal conditions. You'll never, ever get it to that same latency on the average American Internet connection.

If videogames die prostitution needs to become an actual legal form of employment

Yeah. Earlier I thought that this could work for SRPGs or JRPGs, but I've played few with absolutely terrible menuing, and it was so infuriating.

Lag input meme aside

Who is this supposed to be advertised to?

PS and Xbox fanboys will stick to their consoles, why would either of them switch to this?

If video games spawn the people that frequent Yea Forums, then hell, I guess I'm okay with it. That being said games as a service is a meme.

Why are retards so obsessed with "evolution" like fuck, games themselves have been the same shit for decades, I just want to play comfy shit and not deal with anything else. Is that so hard to follow?
I bet these people don't even play anything other than AAA newest releases they preordered.

>Who is this supposed to be advertised to?
People who can't afford a console or PC. But won't they also likely have shit internet? Yes but Google employees are incredibly out of touch with the common man.

So that leaves it for hipster who don't want to buy a console but be cool buying the latest woke game.

jesus, why do big tech companies do this? EA does the same.

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They try everything to find one project that pays off.

doesn't make them enough money to continue supporting

>Future Frame 4

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>literally defending "cinematic input lag"
sony ponies are delusional holy shit

This. Feels disconnected from the audience. But I fear the next few years will be entirely around making this shit mainstream.

To be fair, could be a decent alternative to mobile gaming. I imagine the huge mobile masses could be introduced into mainline gaming, leading to even more casualization and the normalization of scummy monetization practices.

in the future, games will be played through streams and porn will be rendered by the viewer's pc through software that can generate lewd images using AI

>Google URL Shortener

literally why

the only viable plan for this is if it came with a subscription not just to the cloud computing / streaming of it but to a library of games. basically, shared cost of games across all users of the service. google would have to buy as many copies of the games as they will ever run simultaneously. this kind of thing would have worked a decade ago or longer as game copies were interchangeable. now that everything is tied to seven different accounts you can't do this kind of service anymore. the opportunity was missed and is never coming back.

I said it in the sticky and I'll say it again, you could fucking see the input lag when the guy was playing, it is unplayable.

>Dead on arrival
It was dead before that. Did you honestly think it had a chance?

>the opportunity was missed

Onlive tried it then. Still sucked.

couldn't they work out some sort of contract with the publishers?

At least we got DMC V before the age of the games designed to be played with half a second of latency.

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Why didn't they fake it in their own office at least for the presentation? Put the server behind the wall/screen and pretend that it's far away

>playing on a kb/m with a monitor

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>this thing is already bad
>lets make it worse it doesn't matter :)
retarded faggot

did they buy game copies for you? how did that work? accounts were the same as they are now, they would have had to buy a copy of each game for each player, no sharing whatsoever except with ancient singleplayer titles.

Holy fuck
Why would they allow this to happen»

they could try but why would the publishers go along? the goal of the deal would literally be for consumers to save money at the expense of the publishers.

It'll have less lag on a CRT

It's like playing with V-sync on, holy shit.

>playing on a controller with a tv

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At least they showed it. I would be worried if they instructed him to not move the camera.
It doesn't look that bad, you could easily play turn based games and most JRPGs in it.

>he doesn't play by shouting commands at his loyal minions and making them do all the work

This is so much worse than I thought and those were IDEAL CONDITIONS

>target audience: people who cant afford a console+games
>but can somehow afford fiber

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FGC still uses consoles because they don't feel like dealing with potential driver issues. Also, they're poverty as fuck.

And a smart TV, you'll need internet access

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Deepmind.

Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. If fighting games and lightning fast input games can't keep up with the future they will have to go the way of the dodo.

I would go over my wonderful data cap in 52 hours.

>stops at 60fps for pc

pathetic

In the world of music, 128ms is considered acceptable by most musicians for consistency between input and heard sound. ASIO streaming can be acceptable at 256ms. Granted your brain is better at compensating for (i.e. has less resolution on) audio timing than visual timing.

But arguing about 166ms of delay is meaningless because nobody, not even Google’s on-stage presenters, will EVER see latency that low in real-world performance.

So that's why re2 aiming feels so clunky unlike when I played re4 on gc on an old crt back in the day?

>20 gigs an hour
LOL
Does google actually think this shit isn't going to flop horribly? I have one of the best options available for me in my area and I have a 200/200 line with a 200-300GB per month cap. I'd get throttled within 1/2 days of gaming.

What a fucking catastrophe this shit's gonna be. Is google so far up their own butts that they think everybody in the USA, let alone the world, has a 1gig pipe with no cap?

shouldn't be playing videogames more than 10hrs a week anyway, unless you are a disgusting manchild

people excused 24fps, DLC, pre order bonuses, expansion packs, paid online, digital only

they will excuse this

you should get google fiber

this service is not the future, the market for this system does not exist
thankfully this system will not have an appreciable effect on game design

OH NO NO NO NO

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fiber is like $125 a month, this defeats the purpose of not having an expensive PC

>128ms is considered acceptable by most musicians for consistency between input and heard sound
pretty sure that's a learned tolerance. when I was recording voice acting I couldn't handle the delay between my own voice and when it arrives in the headset so I was always the odd one out who didn't hear himself on the headset. maybe I'm more sensitive to it than most but I'm inclined to believe it's mostly just getting used to it that makes the difference. singers and voice actors know (or hope) that hearing themselves in final quality will improve their performance so they push through until it stops bothering them. that's my theory.

google can't break the laws of physics. even if there shit up every major city with their datacenters it's going to be a retarded experience to play like this

looks fine to me

Don't need a smart TV, just a Chromecast and they can be had for pretty cheap.
But yes, if you can afford this, you can fucking afford a console. High end PC on the other hand is a different question, but this isn't remotely as good as a high end PC.

With the resolution trick, the setting doesn't even go down to 2ms persistence 3ms is minimum.

look for ICC color profile for Asus VG278q, or a very similar model.
Also I don't know if blur buster utility works on your monitor or not as it simply lets you adjust settings your monitor already has.

it's worthless

I have a fucking 144hz monitor and NVIDIA gpu, why would I ever use this garbage?

>I have a 200/200 line with a 200-300GB per month cap
What the heck? Meanwhile here I am with 12/1 at unlimited.

How do I know it's the correct pixels for frame.
Is says "once you have cheker board pattern" but it keeps cycling between moving and being a checker board

I tested Project Stream on a shitty internet connection and it was pretty good desu
AMA

no you didn't

did you actually record the latency or are we just expected to rely on anecdotal testimony from a probable shill

>Who is this supposed to be advertised to?
Visual novel fans

normies, the netflix audience

No I'm not a turboautist. I just played the game (Odyssey, shit game btw) and it felt responsive and smooth

>shill
Fuck niggers and fuck jannies #Tarrant2020

this where I get a perfect checker pattern.

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hahahahaha no

well you'll have to oblige me not believing you since digital foundary has evidence of 180ms input lag which would make any game feel awful to play and not at all smooth and responsive

you fucking shill

>Google On-Live

Learned my lesson when I couldn't even run Metro 2033 on that piece of shit, even if my connection can handle it who the fuck knows how much bandwidth you'll eat through playing a single game.

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Enjoy valve's demise pcfaggot

how the fuck did they get these values

60 fps on PC is 16ms input latency at most, and that's already too much for shooters

>2013
holy shit where has the time gone

Fromsoftware would be proud

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How does this shit work. When I look straight at the screen I see vertical lines, but when I follow the ufo I see checkerboard.

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oh no, valve will die and I'll have to download another distribution service
woe is me

It might have been server/service lag that caused the button press to not register when done normally, so he had to hold it for a second, and that worked. Either way, it's shit.

i feel like this whole thing happened because google management really wanted to be the first to make "netflix but for games??" regardless of whether it was good or not. a lot of people there probably said it was a bad idea but were ignored. i don't think this will be a complete flop but it will be the butt of a joke among anyone remotely into gaming. some mega normies who don't know any better will probably use it to play madden

exactly

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I... what? If you CPU and GPU can and will (that's the whole point) overlap. The WHOLE frame, GPU and CPU, have to be inside these 30ms. And vsync isn't about waiting for the whole duration frame, it's about presenting at the "next" frame. And while LCD response time is there the game is already in the next frame. That's just all kinds of nonsense.
Let's assume we have 30FPS and vsync. Worst case is when you've made an input at the end of the frame, it got through 8ms later and it registered RIGHT after CPU polled for input. You have to wait 1 more frame after which the game will poll again and accept input. So it's 8 + 33 + 33 + 12 = 86ms. Best case is 8 + 33 + 12 = 53ms. Now, if you don't have shitty monitor, your mouse supports higher polling rates and the game is at least 60FPS it's 19-35ms.
10/10 troll, I answered.

>20GB per hour

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Holy fuck that's worse than I thought.
Dead on arrival.

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probably because everyone was still using cd's and portable cd players/minidisc.

It led to the portable mp3 player and legal digital music stores to become a thing.

Early mp3 players had 16-32mb of memory, with 128kbs quality you could fit 1 or 2 cd album on there.

So massive amount of latency and no physical copies of games. Sounds like a nightmare.

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>They can work to make it fair for everyone.
Good game design is not limiting people to the lowest common bar.

Are they just going to release the same console every 10 years and hope the internet's good enough that it's not terrible? What's your game plan here?

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it'll be glorious when Google sponsors a bunch of turn based jrpgs and we can happily plan our next moves while waiting for our inputs to register

Its clearly lags at the end when the tester forgets he has to pan the camera slowly to hide it.

Why didn't the do the test in the menu? That's a much more objective way of benchmarking it.

Yeah. All these companies are 100% right theres going to be a lot of money in game streaming but they're jumping the gun. The tech necessary to make it mass market simply isnt there yet. Same shit with vr, cool concept and the tech is 95% there, but that 5% keeps it from being anything but a tech demo to show what the future will have for us. Although streaming also has downsides like it will kill ownership of games (or even this semi ownership license bs) and it will kill the modding scene which is why I wont support streaming. Fuck (((Google)))

>no more tight controls and skill based games,
Can I stress, all adults suck at this. So what skill? What tight controls? All this shit only matter when you were an ADHD kid on sugar high before diabetics kicked in.

There's nothing wrong with what's planned to happen. At most, any fault is US's shitty Internet connections rigged on monopolies, at worse it's only just as good as standard play on home console,which would still be a massive jump for something streamed from the internet.

i can't even load a 1080p video from youtube without lagging

>all adults suck at this
maybe you do dude but the rest of us aren't fucking geriatric patients

>Has to swear to prove a point
Nice one millennial zoomer

I don't have to, my point stands without it, I just choose to include it. Adults still play and care about skill based games, I don't know what you are smoking but you're wrong.
And millenials aren't zoomers so you're still a fucking moron.

It sounds like the target audience is onions-hipsters that live in san fransisco and are used to paying 10 bucks for the frapuccino in the morning and they don't want the hassle of having to put a blu-ray into their playstation to play videogames, they want everything to just werk while they're paying vidya tax

probably vsynced too with 3+ max frame ahead

What device cant play 1080p at 60fps? :')

This isn't 2004 you know

Bait. You can see this is easily 150ms input latency, literally unplayable.

If 200ms input latency is the minimum this should be DOA. Then again there are people who played RDR2 with worse and literally didn't notice or seemed to care.

it's only as fast as your internet
don't be fooled by google, they used super fast fiber internet for that demo

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>PC 30fps 133ms
>PC 60fps 100ms
I didn't think they'd resort to outright lying. Even games with shitty frametimes don't have 100ms input latency, hell not even when you use the shittiest first-gen wireless mouse and someone's microwaving popcorn in the kitchen. Pathetic.

They got them by realizing they have a dead product and lying through their teeth.

I wonder if they're even testing input lag on the same game across the different platforms.

128kbps aac is not that bad

the ABSOLUTE state of google