About Piranha Plant's addition: >I’m actually not paying too much focus on the surprise element when we introduce a new fighter. The surprise element quickly fades once the announcement has been made. Rather, I believe it’s important to have a good balance as a game. In the past titles in the series, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B. and Duck Hunt Dog were some of the examples we offered outside of people’s typical expectations. However, if we don’t have these types of fighters, and we only had typical “hero/heroine” type fighters in the lineup, there’s not much difference. It’s probably not very interesting. Correct? >Also, unlike some main characters from some (not widely known) franchises, Piranha Plant is a character everyone knows well. And, I want to make sure to remind everyone that it is a limited-time offer fighter everyone can get for free as an early-purchase bonus.
Basically your obscure puppet, and yellow marth are NEVER being added
>literal whos have no place in Smash How did Joker get in then?
Cameron Price
>Piranha Plant is a character everyone knows well
And still, it wouldn't cross anyone's mind to have as a legitimate fighter. Most people assumed for a fighter was Petey, which is a extension of the Piranha Plant, not the Piranha Plant itself.
lol that's okay Sakurai I know you'd put a literal balloon if you were given the chance
Carter Rodriguez
God, I fucking love Genotards seething
Oliver Green
Is this nigga retarded.
Elijah Gomez
Cuz he's relevant and popular obviously. Are you stupid or something?
Nathan Clark
>Underage reddit tranny thread
Zachary Cruz
Smashfags spent literally years of their lives whining nonstop about how much they hate "literal whos", and now they're paying the price.
>cuck replies I still win for laughing at Grinchfags and getting (You)s
Tyler Adams
>However, if we don’t have these types of fighters, and we only had typical “hero/heroine” type fighters in the lineup, there’s not much difference. It’s probably not very interesting. Correct? >takes 4 games to add obvious villain options, needs tons of fan demand before he even bothers >puts in shitty glorified costume swaps on a whim fuck this asshole
>>I’m actually not paying too much focus on the surprise element when we introduce a new fighter. Lie.
Nicholas Anderson
SHADOWBROS IT'S OUR TIME HE WILL BECOME BOTH A AT AND PLAYABLE
Matthew Myers
>Lemme just dab on these characters who didn't make the cut and make up these fictional rules as to why they could never-ever get in, even though those same rules applied to characters like K. Rool, Shulk, Ridley, Richter, what the fuck ever, etc. who I shitposted about before they were announced, but I'll never admit to it because I'm cock-gobbling, faggoty shitposter looking for cheap (you)s Wow, great thread OP. On the topic of Piranha Plant, how about we just choose one generic enemy from any series that would be playable if you had the choice. Shy Guy for me.
Nicholas Turner
Ryoma Nagare as a SRW rep will be in smash DLC.
Alexander Richardson
Imagine being an adult and thinking Shadow is a cool character
Lucas Lee
/thread right here
Mason Scott
BANJOFANS
IT WAS OUR TIME IT's NOT FUCKING FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR
Laughing at Grinchfags is pleb tier. I'm the one laughing at those who ilude themselves thinking there won't be another shock value fighter that winds up being something no one ever asked except for a fanbase that somehow exists and no one remembered to even bother with the thought.
Justin Perez
I legitimately had a dream last night that fucking Mike Tyson was the next dlc character as another Punch Out rep and was disappointed to find out it was just a dream
Ayden Walker
Banjo's one of the few characters that could still actually make it. You should save it for after the fighter's pass is over.
my real beef is that piranha plant plays like ass. You get some sluggish long range moves, a stupid recovery, but your stubby plant limbs ruin everything.
Honestly what I think helped K. Rool get in over other "irrelevelant" characters, more than anything else, is legacy.
K. Rool has been absent from DK for awhile, but it doesn't erase his significance to the series. He was still the anatagonist and final boss of four mainline console games and three handheld games, and he was a major character in the CG cartoon, that, surprisingly, was popular in France and Japan.
A lot of other requested characters that too have gone missing over the years don't really have those crecidentals. Geno for example was a supporting character in one Mario RPG spinoff from years ago and that was it. Golden Sun had two decently popular games back in the day, a third game nobody liked, and that was it.
Owen Davis
Ashley has legacy too, why isn't she in?
Jonathan Brown
Does she? She's just a minor character in a minor series.
Adrian Murphy
Yea Forums when I say I want Dante, Kiryu or Phoenix in: >BASED! Yea Forums when I say I want Isaac: >c-cringe
Why? I just don't get it
Carson White
This, Smash is only for true Nintendo allstars, the days of having obscure characters are over. Only one missing are Dixie Kong and Meowth.
Camden Brown
Because they are the new Ridleyfags
Annoying fucktards who deserve to get bullied until they get in
Ian Jenkins
>Isaac >the new Ridley
what
Jackson Watson
Isaacfags were getting really delusional and annoying throughout this speculation cycle. >muh rathalos >muh earthquake >muh green pixel >muh grinch >muh blurry item They were the worst out of all the rosterfags.
Angel Moore
Why do people keep mentioning Shulk when he got his North American release due to overwhelming fan demand and the resulting sales were so good despite a limited release that Xenoblade became a franchise?
Christopher Wilson
Because DMC, Yakuza and Ace Attorney are good games?
Brandon Allen
Define what a literal who is in a way that does not contradict a character currently on the roster.
Cooper Turner
>adds a bunch of anime characters that also are literal whos who cares what he has to say
Tyler King
Literally none of these was as bad as Ridley's shadow in the boss section of the Smash direct. All of these can be safely speculated.
Thomas Bailey
Who?
Brandon Russell
They were the most hopeful and got deconfirmed the latest. It's literally people who don't care about smash just trolling because it gets easy yous.
The retards pushing the earthquake meme were either discordfags or grinchfags. That one user who shouted "there's a little bit of green sticking out next to Little Mac!!!" could have been a Banjofag or Genofag trying to prove the leak regardless of whether the evidence was tied to Isaac or not. Also the blurry item... yeah, WHO would have thought that a sprout-like item could have ANY connection to one of the most commonly speculated and awaited 1st-party franchise for Smash?
So are Golden Sun 1 and 2
John Peterson
what's even the context of this? No one's saying Ridley or K. Rool fans have to like Banjo. But K. Rool's circumstances are somewhat similar to his. That's all. >western-made classic Rareware characters >haven't been relevant in a game for quite a while >both heavily requested for a long time
James Barnes
Piranha Plant is a shit addition and should've been pic related instead Prove me wrong
Not him but the context is the "big 3" mentality I think
K.Rool and Ridley were huge juggernauts and no one came close to their popularity, so picking a third one would have been weird. However Geno Banjo and Isaac have similar popularity and recognazibility, so a trinity situation here feels more fitting
Blake Bailey
The literally who argument goes out of the window once you realise that normalfags don't know about most characters in the game except the Mario ones and the Pokemon (and even they'll mostly only recognise the basic ones like the bros and Pikachu and Charizard)
I bet most people didn't know who Captain Falcon and Shulk were before playing Smash.
Gamers will defintely recognise the characters but it'a more plausible that a lot of them know them after playing Smash than from their original games. At this point though you can easily look up where they come from and emulation has made it possible for anyone to play their games now. Even characters like Isaac are recognised as shown from that live reaction of the final direct
Leo Hernandez
Obsessed tranny autist
Thomas Bell
There is know "big 3", it's always just been K. Rool and Ridley Pic related is much older than Ultimate is, and there's a ton of other K. Rool + Ridley art / shitposting Anyone trying to push a "big 3" mentality are coattail riders trying to rewrite history
Literally just what I said, trying to shove in a 3rd one was always unfitting
G/B/I are on the same wavelength nowadays
Camden Clark
BANJO. YOU THERE. BANJO. BANJO, QUIT ALL THIS ROSTERFAGGING. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN GET IN SMASH BEFORE I DO? HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO PREDATE ME WHEN I AM ALREADY IN?
>G/B/I are on the same wavelength nowadays Gotta disagree. Geno and Isaac have died off immensely compared to pre-release, because of the spirit/assist trophy reveals. Banjo's still M.I.A. and has a decent chance of actually making it for the fighter's pass, hence why there's still the occasional Banjo thread every now and then. He's sort of become the "big thing" now that Ridley and K. Rool are actually in.
Leo Mitchell
The only ones that were actively pushing a "Trinity" narrative were Genofags.
What the fuck is with Golden Sun fans blaming absolutely everything, from the "trolls" in their threads to "false flaggers," on contingents of fanboys and xxxfags?
>muh chairs >muh phil spencer tweets >muh he deserves a prize >muh mii costume >muh badge arcade >muh grass starter >muh knuckles >muh retro rep >muh missing spirit >muh brave's shield People do this shit for every character.
Liam Gomez
Yellow Marth?
Gavin Brown
>So are Golden Sun 1 and 2 Considering sales for those other three series increased over time instead of plummeting, I think the general public disagrees. I sure know I can think of a dozen better RPG franchises.
Adrian Martinez
What? I don't go in GS threads as I no longer care about it after the third game, but here I'm just stating facts when it comes to Smash. Don't know anything about trolls or fanboys
>deconfirmations actually hurt a character's popularity Like Ridley became less popular after he was revealed as a boss? Yeah, thought so You know Isaac and Geno would still be huge if they hadn't been deconfirmed right? They'll be back just fine when Smash 6 comes around the corner.
Levi Young
I'm saying it's a recurring thing with Golden Sun. You faggots always blame things on some nebulous group.
Adrian Flores
>most succesful new ip >literally who
Jacob Hughes
>You know Isaac and Geno would still be huge if they hadn't been deconfirmed right? That's exactly what I was saying
Evan Clark
You know Yakuza has hardly been a massive-seller and it took that franchise the tenth game or so to actually start selling well right? Ace Attorney's sales have also plummeted, unless you think the lack of physical releases and European translations after 4 were purely coincidental
We're merely shifting the blame on those who should be blamed. Again, using the grinch and the green pixel as arguments could have been the doing of any other grinchfag and you know there were a LOT of those around Yea Forums. Weren't you one of them yourself? I sure was.
Liam Brooks
And I was talking of the big 3 as a general thing, not "just for the few remaining DLC speculation months we have ahead of us". GBI will be spammed all across this board (whether together or separately) around Smash 6's reveal, unless Banjo gets in Ultimate as DLC
Lincoln Perry
>current year >ashleyfags are STILL coping
Leo Foster
>You know Yakuza has hardly been a massive-seller and it took that franchise the tenth game or so to actually start selling well right? In America. In Japan it's been a prosperous series from the start and was growing for years before stagmating, the Western boom picking up the slack there. >Ace Attorney's sales have also plummeted Give me numbers and I'll believe you.
Jaxson James
Someone post the Ridley version
Logan Perry
>if you critize the roaster in any way, you are a basedboy/fattie >if you accept every bullshit character Sakurai decides to push like a good cuck, you are a Chad >don't forget to leave a like if you're a Chad! Cringe.
Wyatt Mitchell
>You know Isaac and Geno would still be huge if they hadn't been deconfirmed right? They'll be back just fine when Smash 6 comes around the corner.
I honestly kind of doubt Geno will be that big by the time the next Smash rolls out.
People seem to forget this but after Brawl, Geno had mostly died out for most of Smash 4's hype cycle, he was hardly seriouslt discussed until the Mii costume and Sakurai namedropping him in an 2016 interview, that's what gave Genofags some kind of hope that he'd be in the next game.
Joshua Sanchez
Has that fag responded yet after getting BTFO by the Joker annoucment?
Cameron Gonzalez
It also implies "Chad" casuals don't criticize the roster as well, which is wrong. They just usually ask for far dumber shit like Goku, Master Chief, or whatever.
Luke Price
I don't think this is the one you meant but i want to post it anyways.
Strong in your convictions, no matter who you want. The nevereverfag tears will only make victory that much sweeter.
Yea Forums is a pro-Shulk board, user. Fuck outta here.
Cooper Garcia
>since Brawl As far as I'm concerned, the year doesn't matter. Smash has always been relevant, so... 2008? 2013/2014? 2018? The cycle and passage of time mean fuck-all, my love for Smash is still the same and so is my dream of seeing Isaac join the roster ever since I played Melee
Guess that's how K.Rool fans felt after all these years of retards screeching about irrelevancy and whatnot. "What do you mean my character fell out of relevancy? I sure as hell didn't notice!"
Even Sakurai himself acknowledged that Richter is a literal who to most people. Being the most popular Belmont is like being the most popular unpopular person.
Jordan Moore
K Rool is a DK character, autismo. There's a bit of a difference.
Kayden Price
jesus. why would you even do this to yourself
Dylan Powell
Honestly irrelevant characters should get more priority because theyre well liked despite,not being around a while. Characters like Palutena, Corrin, Rosalina, etc. werent highly requested even while they were "relevant" so they definitely wouldnt have been 20 years from now like K Rool.
Smash should be a museum of loved video games series and its characters. It is that but with a huge splot of "look who just happened to be around at the right time" which makes the roster not nearly as good as it couldve been
Isaac Watson
This, it took him until now to realize people wanted more than the latest fucking Fire Emblem or humanoid?
They came in with Brawl and saw the actual Nintendo characters being pushed as supports while the 3rd parties got in over them. They never played the games of the characters that appeared in Melee and even Brawl and have no investment in them. And as far as I'm concerned, Ridley and King K. Rool aren't even scratching the surface.
Not only that, the original statement about assist trophies is flawed too. The most dedicated fans WANT those characters playable. The dumb normalfags barely know who most of the playables are, how are they gonna know who the toggle-able assists are?
>In the past titles in the series, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B. and Duck Hunt Dog were some of the examples we offered outside of people’s typical expectations. However, if we don’t have these types of fighters, and we only had typical “hero/heroine” type fighters in the lineup, there’s not much difference. It’s probably not very interesting. Correct? >Also, unlike some main characters from some (not widely known) franchises, Piranha Plant is a character everyone knows well. Why is Sakurai such a self-contradictory hack?
>Your character is shit and will never be in Smash!!!!! >Sakurai puts in K.Rool and Simon/Ritcher Why do Rosterfags do this? We know that fan demand is a big factor so I'm not entirely sure why Banjo of all character is literally impossible even though there's demand from alot of people and Microsoft themselves. What's with the hate towards Banjo?
Jaxon Jenkins
>guys we have many unique, biped, underused characters ready for action here. >so lets just use this fucking inane random bullshit mook from a mario game instead because we don't have enough fucking mario characters lol Awful
Oliver Lopez
SEETHING
Luke Butler
The same people whining about Banjo were the faggots here If Banjo gets confirmed, whoever else didn't get in that was prominently requested will be the next target for shitposting and falseflagging. It's never gonna end.
see K. Rool is the most important villain from one of Nintendo's top franchises. Isaac is a protagonist from a minor Nintendo series that hasn't had an installment in years. Big difference.
Jose King
Because Yea Forums are becoming NPCs addicted to LE EPIC SALT XD BTFO culture and don't like it when any notable presence of people have a genuine love for something anymore.
BK is a popular one to hate in particular since their fanbase is stubborn and can't be shamed or ridiculed into relative silence Genofags or Isaacfags were (plus it helps that BK has only gotten proven to be a no show so far but not yet fully deconfirmed unlike Geno or Isaac).
Ryan King
When did I claim otherwise? I'm just saying my support and passion is the same
James Ward
Because we let him get away with it. That and free yous.
He's the most popular candidate still standing, so naturally people will shit on him for the sole purpose of getting attention. They did it for Ridley, and they did it for K. Rool. And the best part is, being on an anonymous board, people can spout their retarded nonsense and then pretend they never said any of it if the character actually gets in. Remember when K. Rool got revealed? And all these posters scurried away like roaches, never to be seen again?
Matthew Robinson
That model looks so fucking shit my god
Jaxson Ramirez
Never really play the Golden Sun series, but it seem like a bad excuse to say a game series is bad because of bad sales
Jason Bell
It's also an inconsistent argument since FE has the third most characters in Smash, even before the gacha waifu game came out.
Dylan Perry
Has there ever been a time Sakurai didnt contradict himself whenever making a statement like this?
Kayden Hernandez
>However, if we don’t have these types of fighters, and we only had typical “hero/heroine” type fighters in the lineup, there’s not much difference. It’s probably not very interesting. Correct? Fucking THIS. I’m glad Sakurai gets it. We don’t want more boring JRPG protags like FE characters, Sora, or Erdrick. Give un some interesting stuff like Mario Villains or Pikmin characters and/or creatures.
>Literal whos don't belong in Smash *adds 43 identical waifu emblem characters in your path + Shulk*
Matthew Brown
>also talks about hesitantly giving Ganondorf sword moves for Ultimate because he doesn't like changing MUH MOVESET FAMILIARITY (and they couldn't even be unique sword swings, they were just taken from Ike and Cloud) The only good call he made with Dorf was giving him his based OoT design back.
Piranha Plant is not a protagonist? What are you trying to prove here?
Mason Russell
It’s possible for someone to be convinced away from their stance, you know.
Thomas Adams
Nintendog fighter when?
Alexander Johnson
I will because no one even knew who she was before her E3 reveal and then smash 4 treated her like she was the most popular video game character of all time.
Liam Lopez
>They were the worst out of all the rosterfags. Nothing will ever top Ridleyfags
Camden Reyes
>120+ replies on this obvious bait thread
Yea Forums is so fucking stupid
Nolan Myers
Yes but people keep using whatever sakurai says in an interview as an argument as if it were the ten commandments.
Eli Bell
>Bowser >Roy >Dr. Mario >Link >ZSS >Pit >Palutena >All got major changes to how many of their moves work >But Ganondorf can't use magic balls or levitate because he was """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Lucky"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" to get into melee Why is he still working on this franchise?
>You faggots always blame things on some nebulous group. Eh, that's just what Yea Forums does. >reddit >resetera >liberals >/pol/ >discord trannies The list goes on and on If you gauge a fanbase by what people on Yea Forums post, then every fanbase is trash.
Robert Long
The solution is so elegant and obvious for MUH MOVESET PRESERVATION, and everyone has had the same idea almost immediately after the E3 reveal of Ultimate. >give Ganon/Dorf a new moveset >give his Smash 4 moveset to a new Echo for Captain Falcon, either Black Shadow or Deathborn
David Brown
>What's with the hate towards Banjo? unironic answer, it's literal discordfags formulating a plot to destroy smash threads by spreading anti-banjo/geno/isaac/popular character shit to the point where nu-Yea Forums would adopt it. And it worked.
Nathaniel Wilson
>Legacy
I think it's less of that and more of "he's the fucking Donkey Kong Country villain that has been a staple for more than three games and was merely forgotten/underused as time went by" because they didn't want him to become as worn as fucking Bowser who definitely has overstayed as a villain over all these years and despite that, hasn't really done anything fuck all except "lol I wanna marry the princess against her will" and he definitely no longer feels as threatening because of it.
Fuck, man, I don't care if he's the original villain, fucking change SOMETHING.
Easton Kelly
I really want Banjo, but until Banjo Threeie gets announced, hes not getting in Smash.
Steve is coming first to Smash. After that its a battle between Master Chief and Banjo.
Hunter Robinson
>someone spent time doing this
that's a yikes from me
Benjamin Perry
That on one hand he says unexpected, unknown, random characters keep the series fresh, but then says that piranha plant was a good choice because he's well known, yet some random one off "hero or heroine" wouldn't be because they're not well known, even though that's been a cornerstone of Smash since Smash 64 with Ness and Captain Falcon.
Matthew Ward
>forgot to include (((them)))
Anthony Mitchell
>Smash 4 moveset to a new Echo Things is, Smash 4 Ganondorf is different from Falcon, so he'd be a clone.
Which is still preferable.
Bentley Anderson
>plantfags so desperate to be relevant that they're shitting on fellow irrelevantfags Kino
Liam Allen
I'm using "Echo" the same way Sakurai does: to nebulously categorize a low effort clone. It's inconsistent how it's applied. Ken is almost Dr. Mario levels of different from Ryu.
Cooper Murphy
Ken only got the label because he was the original echo fighter, he's the sole exception. Dr. Mario is just Melee Mario if you don't like FLUDD, completely different.
Aiden Morales
Echo Fighter has been applied consistently. Ken is the only odd one out and Sakurai noted that.
Aaron Hughes
LOL so true
Andrew Cox
>What's with the hate towards Banjo? Banjofags are unbearable. Most of them, at least. Especially the ones that claim everyone who doesn't want Banjo is a Stevefag and a zoomer.
Jack Lewis
Isn’t Isaac the epitome of a generic anime swordsman?
Ian Hill
Yes, but that'd okay because he's not FE :)
David Gonzalez
>I think it's less of that and more of "he's the fucking Donkey Kong Country villain that has been a staple for more than three games and was merely forgotten/underused as time went by"
So, because of legacy?
Ethan Roberts
In appearance, yes; probably would be in Smash too because I don't trust Sakurai to make a faithful moveset.
Sebastian Morgan
But Isaac uses a sword in the game.
Ian Long
He’s a generic anime swordsman in the same way King K. Rool is a generic Bowser clone.
Matthew Ward
A faithful Isaac moveset would just be Isaac using a sword for his normals and magic for his specials.
Julian Gutierrez
You can pretend Isaac doesnt use a sword but he does.
Gabriel Carter
Yeah, he'd just be a Robin echo.
Noah Long
He can use axes and maces too So the swordsman argument goes out of the window, unless if he has to use one of the magical swords
Liam Hill
Shhh, he never played Golden Sun.
Hudson Richardson
IMO Piranha Plant was a missed opportunity. It should have had a move set that involved various SMB1 mobs like goombas, koopas, bloopers as well, and even work in some OG Mario Bros things too. Its just really boring being just the paranah plant it self
David Stewart
>He can use axes and maces too But he mostly uses a sword and is featured with a sword pretty much everywhere.
Jonathan Jenkins
Yeah and Link in BOTW can use like 30 different weapons but he uses the Master Sword cause that’s his main thing.
They’re not gonna give Isaac an mace just cause he CAN use one. He’d probably use the Light Blade.
Noah Rivera
Are you implying that a developer like Sakurai can't take liberties?
Luis Mitchell
Game and Watch and Duck Hunt already have similar gimmicks, and at that point it wouldn’t be piranha plant it’d just be called Mario Bros which is dumb.
William Diaz
Isaac's main weapon is his psynergy, not his sword. What he holds is perfectly interchangeable.
Dominic Evans
So basically he's the generic jrpg protagonist except he can use weapons other than swords and magic oh wow so he's still generic and nothing had changed
Xavier Bennett
Well, did Sakurai give Ike an axe?
Jayden Jackson
I haven't played any of the Telius games so I can't tell you why he didn't.
Landon Jackson
>Inkling >literal who Retard.
Leo Cooper
so what you're saying is he's a generic magic protagonist
Kayden Bennett
He's a silent protag (in the first game) so I don't get what's your point.
Jayden Fisher
Honestly, don't expect Isaac to use any weapon besides the sword he's usually portrayed with. And don't expect his normals to involve magic.
Charles Allen
>Sakurai says that part of the reason Plant got in was because it wasn't a "hero/heroine" type character >Geno is a "hero/heroine" type character, so even if he was as iconic as Plant, he wasn't going to get in over Plant >"durr Geno will never get in because Sakurai says so" Illiterate retard
Captain Falcon didn't become a literally who outside of Smash until around the time of Brawl, and by that point he was firmly established as a Smash Bros fighter.
Landon Bell
>don't expect any magic in normals Why? Because of memes? Even Sakurai took some inspiration from mods in Ridley's moveset.
Ryder Sanchez
>Dark Pit Echo fighter, even in Smash 4 he clearly was in all but name >Captain Falcon Built off of the remnants of Dragon King and F-Zero was popular at the time with X being relatively new >Roy Literally put in to shill the series to the west and is such a rushed clone of Marth he's fundamentally broken >Ice Climbers The first "Retro" rep of the series, something that Sakurai has done several times in the past >Richter Echo fighter and featured in two of the most popular games in the series.
Stop being a faggot, Golden Sun has haemorrhaged sales with every subsequent release and clearly Camelot nor Nintendo care about it.
Caleb Rogers
>Even Sakurai took some inspiration from mods in Ridley's moveset. ???
Aaron Morales
Basically this, it's the same reason people are so desperate for every game to be a new TORtanic.
>#itsubvertedmyexpectations i swear i fucking love this OC more and more every time i see it
Levi Bell
Fuck off Microdick. Beg Sony to shill your dead console and its literal who "mascots".
Jackson Stewart
ROB and DHD are iconic though?
Game and Watch arguably less so, but still.
Ethan Scott
lets count how many pieces of official art have isaac using his sword, and then how many have him using magic. Looks like 0:3 to me. Just because people spam the a button to beat the game doesnt make him primarily a sword user, though he does use a sword. thelostwaters.com/gallery/index.php?/category/11
Asher Peterson
Most pictures with Isaac show him with a sword equipped. He's a swordsman.
Logan Powell
Who prefers using magic. Just like how Fox has a blaster but prefers using his hands and feet.
Benjamin Price
is it drawn, or sheathed in combat? does carrying around a hammer, nails, and a tape measure make someone a carpenter?
Jackson Hill
Are you seriously arguing that Isaac isn't a swordsman after being shown off with a sword in official art?
Daniel Fisher
no, im saying that he doesnt primarily rely on the sword, therefore he isnt primarily a swordsman.
Adam Moore
Who?
Evan Richardson
i cant believe you dont know who piranha plant is, one of the most iconic mario villains.
Jackson Sanchez
remember when it was based to just want whatever characters you wanted as long as you weren't cocks about it
pepperidge farms remembers
Christopher Adams
So when Melee was announced?
Cooper Campbell
Melee was based
Levi Perry
It all went sour when people started to imagine there is a "line" and Banjofags / Genofags started to attack everyone who was "cutting the line" since those characters had not been supported for years. Banjo and Geno fans are among the most toxic elements of the Smash fandom.
William Lewis
There's literally no good reason outside of shitposting. People here will start shitflinging over anything, and rosterfagging is the perfect storm for that. Remember for years when Cloud was a Goku-tier choice? Now everybody treats him like a normal addition. In other words, fuck rosterfags, fuck relevancyfags, and fuck shitposters.
Melee is the best game in the series because of the sheer variety and replayability of its single player content.
Jacob Russell
why do banjofags think their character is on the same level as simon belmont or even k.rool?
Brody Anderson
except k rool was one of the most requested characters in japan. of course he would be added. same with ridley, he was highly requested by the western audience, so sakarai caved in and added him.
Also they both come from successful franchises, and I supposed sakarai felt the roster needed more villains/rivals so they were the obvious choice to add
but geno, skullkid and Isaac? they dont really add much to the roster at all
Neither a nebulous group nor one that's wrongly accused.
Joshua Gomez
remember when people weren't cocks about it?
Luke Reed
>a gun puppet, a geomancer and a dark mage add less to the roster than Metroid's Charizard Lmao
Landon Gray
Ridley predates Charizard by 10 years retard
Jordan Ramirez
Sakurai certainly thinks so, and his opinion is the only one that matters in this.
Brayden Jackson
That's not the point You can't say that Ridley would offer more to the roster when he's the least unique out of all the newcomers barring Isabelle. Not to mention that Charizard covered the dragon quota beforehand
It took 5 games and a whole lot of bitching to put Ridley in Smash.
James Young
Steveposting is fucking dead. Reminder that virginben killed of steve, Hitagi admitted they were full of shit and no other relevant or credible leaker supports steve, the redflags should have been raised from the very beginner, reminder that virginben was supporting steve from day one and yet he knew nothing of the plant or Joker, let me also just say that ultimate gave us Ridley and Rool, two heavily requested and fan favorite characters, Banjo is also heavily requested and a fan favourite, why would nintendo pass up on the opporttuinty to add such a well requested character that is guranteed to make them money? combined with the rare sprits, his chances are already looking better than steve's chances ever were.
If that wasn't enough proof of how dead Steve then let me also remind you stevecucks of the fact that Mojang, fucking MOJANG don't support steve getting, they shot that shit down, Spencer on the otherhand has supported Banjo time and time again.
And let me just say this one last time, steveposting is fucking dead.
Samuel Cox
Can anyone translate this? Shot in the dark, but it happens.
>Mii Gunner 2.0 and an anime swordsman add to the roster What did he mean by this?
Mason Moore
Plant is also more well-known than probably more than half the cast to the general public, and particularly kids. Not that great of an argument but Sakurai throws out dumb lines a lot.
Brayden Fisher
Their reaction to Erdrick is living proof of this.
Parker Brown
*crack* *sip* as long as it pisses you off, steveposting is alive and well, my friend
How do you unlock the Earthquake Tome in Awakening?
Colton Brooks
Why do people want Shadow when hardly anyone even mains Sonic anymore
Jack Brooks
I mean, Genofags have every right to feel threatened by Erdrick, considering he'd be stealing Geno's slot (and most likely has, he's all but confirmed).
Leo Taylor
yeah that's stupid as fuck but it isn't even just banjofags and genofags. hardcore fans everywhere are toxic pieces of shit. plantfags, stevefags, banjofags, genofags, erdrickfags, everyone has a fuckload of bad apples.
not all of them are bad, though. i know some stevefags and genofags who are chill and pretty based. not everyone is entitled as fuck and is just chill enough to be like, "oh, this character? mite b cool"
Lucas Nelson
>stealing Geno's slot There is no such thing as stealing a slot.
Isaiah Lee
i'd argue against this because slotfaggotry is stupid, but let's be real, he kind of is. god knows square won't allow more than another rep if and only if erdrick is in. they're stingy as fuck, there's no way we're getting more than one new se rep and an abysmal chance at even getting the 'one'
Anthony Scott
There is in the case of Squaresoft only getting one DLC rep per game.
Zachary Hernandez
You may as well babble like a retard and call every color green, I guarantee you'll piss more people off that way and make just as much sense
Cameron Lopez
It's because "Xfags vs. Yfags" has to be shoehorned into literally every discussion about anything on any board nowadays.
i wasn't arguing. you wrote literal reddit-spaced paragraphs full of autism about whether or not a character will be playable in a casual party game.
Colton Taylor
Most Genofags have utterly convinced themselves that we're getting 40 seasons of DLC so no one can use logic like "one fighter per third party company" against them. Slots are a thing. Sakurai admitted it with Pokemon.
Austin Hernandez
Probably not. It's pretty pathetic.
Joshua Foster
>geno was never considered in the first place ok sakurai
Asher Campbell
>I’m actually not paying too much focus on the surprise element when we introduce a new fighter NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
He is. The typical thing those "old smash fanbase" had to deal was new characters, for ultimate, it was all zoomer picks like Sora, Steve, Master Chief (lol). In comes Erdrick,
But Nintendo is deciding the DLC. Why does this matter
John Flores
>calling people NPCs, when you are liking literally anything thrown at you you better be proud of this (you) i'm giving out
Nathaniel Russell
>If my character didn't get in, it means they were considered for sure ok sakurai Don't bring up the Brawl thing for Geno, since that's not relevant. We're talking about the Fighters Pass.
Carson Phillips
we literally don't know who or what was considered lmao sakurai or nintendo could have considered fucking ms pacman for all we know and we would never know there is no "was considered" or "was never considered" here dumbass, we simply don't know
Jackson Nelson
I’d argue Skull Kid does but not the other two
Luke Nguyen
i dont care about who gets in anymore, i just want unique and interesting movesets now. but give me doomguy
Michael Carter
>damage control Pathetic stevecuck.
Daniel Scott
Nintendo already got the rights to use Genos likeness, otherwise there wouldn't be a spirit. If anything the plant took his spot, not Loto.
Christian Barnes
Friendly reminder that it’s Minecraft’s 10th anniversary this year, and Mojang is celebrating with something ULTIMATE
Ethan Hughes
>we literally don't know who or what was considered lmao And it makes more sense to take the conservative approach and assume a character was never considered in the first place rather than getting butthurt about a character "stealing" a slot over another one.
Owen Russell
>pedobait over chad Jimmy T and stacy Mona keep dreaming, bud
Benjamin Foster
i don't give a rat's ass about minecraft steve. rosterfags are pure cringe.
Landon Cook
Post move-set ideas for your most wanted, doesn't matter if they are deconfirmed or not.
> Wanting literal who Bomberman All the third parties so far are big name all-stars, Bomberman wouldn't fit in with them.
Hudson Thompson
What does Minecraft have to do with Microsoft, again? They just bought it from that depressed stale candy Nazi, it's not their flesh and blood, they have no reason to treat it special.
Jace Thomas
>Uses sword for basic melee attacks, dash attack is similar to links. >Stage entrance is Zoom >Up B is Chimara Wing, which moves him high up, but you can't control trajectory >Neutral B is a chargeable fireball. It goes from Frizz, Frizzle, Kafrizzle >Down B is Psych up from 8. It's like Incineroars Revenge but it's chargeable. It powers up the next melee attack. >Side B is also chargeable. It goes Woosh, Swoosh, Kaswoosh. >Down Smash is Crackle, creating icicles on the ground >Up Smash is Boom, creating an explosion above >Side Smash is Kazap, which calls lightning from above. Good for enemies on ledges. >Final Smash is a swarm of monsters from the series trampling over the enemies. >Stage is Charlock Castle The idea would be a character with a lot of chargeable moves to simulate the turn based nature of the games as well as there being a cost for using spells over weaker melee attacks.
Bomberman being revealed as an AT the day after his creator fucking died is still hilarious to me. Jesus Christ, Sakurai.
Sebastian Richardson
spot-stealing shit is stupid, i agree
but so is claiming that a character was factually never considered or definitely considered
don't know, don't care either way, we're getting what we're getting and no amount of "BUT THIS CHARACTER WAS SUPPOSED TO GET IN" will change that
Jace Davis
>bear and bear
Jaxson Baker
>Slots are a thing. Nope. The entire roster is planned at the very start of development. Not all characters take the same amount of time to develop either, so they have to take into account of that. Knowing that you'll want to include a new Pokemon and preparing your development plan around that fact does not mean that slots exist. Smash Bros rosters have always been planned based on what Sakurai thinks is possible based on his development team. Slots have nothing to do with it, and previous games have had the team add more characters than originally planned, cut characters that were originally planned or both.
Cameron James
I believe in bear and bear and other bear hahaha funny bear big bear lol
If you didn't play Uprising you don't deserve human rights
Jose Reed
>but so is claiming that a character was factually never considered A claim where you're 99% likely to be correct doesn't sound bad at all.
Thomas Hall
Sakurai has the last word, tho
Michael Gonzalez
Sakurai himself said that his only responsibility was deciding if a character can be a fighter or not. And we don't know the number of characters that Nintendo gave to Sakurai. For all we know, Sakurai could have gotten 5 characters from Nintendo that he accepted.
Thomas Gray
>"We should stop adding hero/heroine characters because they're predictable lol" >coming form the same guy who willingly put in 7 same faced, same personality, same weapon wielding FE characters Fuck you Sakurai, P. Plant is a shitty meme people stopped using after 3 days. I would much rather take a "predictable" fighter people actually requested over a shitty "lol what a shock :)" character no one ever touches. You can't pull shit like this after we straight up had a ballot. Wii Fit, Duck Hunt and ICs are some of the least used characters in the entire game and Plant is on the fast track to join them.
There is no way Sakurai didn't personally choose Joker.
Michael White
Joker seems like a character Nintendo would pick. Nintendo has a great relationship with Atlus and Sega.
Hudson Gray
Didn't he say he also based the menu off of P5's interface?
Joseph Taylor
God, Joker is going to be broken as fuck. He'll make Smash 4 Bayonetta look like Ultimate's Bowser Jr. I can feel it.
Ryder Garcia
I would expect Nintendo to pick someone like Jack, Flynn or Nanashi over a Playstation exclusive character. Sakurai is a big fan of Persona 5 though and the menus in ultimate were even partly inspired by it.
Jaxon Campbell
Is Jr. in Ultimate that bad? I do fairly well with him online. Maybe I'm just a spamming motherfucker
He's objectively the worst character in the game. You're probably doing okay with him because nobody's ever faced him before.
Ian Edwards
Why would Nintendo pick less marketable and well known characters? And we don't know shit about P5R yet.
Bentley Bailey
Yeah, Corrin totally plays the same as Marth
Jonathan Johnson
Jack Frost is pretty marketable.
Noah Cruz
Even as a genofag, I can't help but laugh at OC's like this. Even if we didn't get in, at least we're still getting some acknowledgement through memes which is helping keep us afloat.
He is. But not as a playable fighter in Smash Bros. Jack Frost wouldn't have had the massive blowout that Joker had if revealed as a character.
Evan Cooper
If anything, K Rool proved the relevancy argument correct. K Rool needed the ballot to get in while characters like Inkling and Isabelle were getting in regardless.
Liam Kelly
What the fuck. They literally show up in pipes in 1-1 though??
Easton Carter
>tfw some of your most wanted are deep cuts that really don't have a case to be made in terms of exceptionally strong legacy or recency
>objectively you know Little Mac is in this game, right?
Jayden Richardson
To a small extent richter and simon too since he also pointed out how hakf of simons moveset is lifted from richter and a small amount of richters is lifted from simons games so they kind of echo eachother.
Ayden Russell
When Melee development started, Sakurai didn't even have access to Rare assets (although that changed later), Smash itself was much more Japan centric initially, only getting a worldwide push in the middle of Melee's development itself.
Oliver Thomas
>muh tiers take a shower before trying to make an argument
Blake Butler
Ike and Robin too.
James Reyes
no they didn't, retard
Nathaniel Bailey
I don’t understand the argument about only heros/heroines in the game. Did I just imagine Bowser, Bowser Jr, K Rool, Ganondorf, Ridley, Dark Samus, Wolf, Dedede, Meta Knight, etc? Also, why not Toad then if we are talking about characters everybody knows?
John Bailey
Simon and Richter are an odd case. If Sakurai wanted, he could have easily had Richter been the original fighter while Simon was an Echo Fighter. Even then, both characters are virtually identical except their down special affecting red Pikmin and grenades differently.
Kayden Gray
>i don't want to be predictable by adding another hero character >here's your next FE lord, btw IT'S FINE WHEN SAKURAI DOES IT IT'S FINE WHEN IT'S ABOUT THE GLORIOUS FE FRANCHISE
Juan Howard
Roy is in exact the same situation as Ganondorf though. He got revamped animations and modified attacks but it's all based on his melee moveset. A Roy with an original moveset should be throwing fire and explosions as projectiles... they even added a straight reference to his projectile animation... but without a projectile for his final smash.
Kevin Scott
>Did I just imagine Bowser, Bowser Jr, K Rool, Ganondorf, Ridley, Dark Samus, Wolf, Dedede, Meta Knight, etc? It took forever to get to those characters compared to each game getting flooded with hero/heroine characters.
Carson Hall
I'd rather Ganondorf share moves with Falcon than him becoming Ike 2.0.
James Cook
I never implied he was. But he is apart of Nintendo history for being a big deal during the N64 days along with warerare in general (rare being the ones that made K.Rool for god sakes). So I thought it would be nice for Banjo to get some rep in Smash if possible. I fucking adore boomer characters like Simon in the game and I just want more.
Kevin Young
>tfw you don't have to worry about your literal who I'm so fucking glad he was added when he did. He'd probably be in the same boat as Samurai Goroh otherwise.
As much as people rag on Nuts and Bolts,I think it could actually be a potentially awesome special move for Banjo. Kazooie pulls out the magic wrench and summons a swirling mass of parts. Depending on the direction you input, they'll build a different machine to help themselves in the fight. There is obvious stuff like a plane, hovercraft, or kart for starters but you could also do stuff like a melee chain-saw for them to carry/swing (reference to Conker), or maybe a small rocket that flies straight up like from Jetpac? The possibilities are pretty endless.
From +70 characters, an 85%- 80% are heroes, in Smash 4 the only villain added was Bowser Jr., and there were 21 newcomers.
Jack Murphy
>his inclusion made Krystalfags seethe for 10 years, and counting Grinchfag tears are a drop in an ocean compared to Krystalfag tears at the day Brawl came out.
Michael Gutierrez
Thankfully my literal who had Sakurai on her side. Otherwise she would of ended up like Ashley and Krystal
And really Ashley is just a minor character from what is already a minor series. Smash Bros. doesn't have too many unique (as in, not clone/semi-clone/echos like Falco, Dark Pit, Wolf, etc) unique secondary characters. They're all just notable characters from Nintendo's top franchises.
And that's why Palutena is really lucky, because while she herself is important to Kid Icarus, the series itself is super tiny in comparison to the likes of Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Kirby and Metroid.
WarioWare isn't popular anymore. The last few games flopped hard.
Kevin Ward
Of course I didn't mean Ultimate retard, she's already an assist. WarioWare will still be getting games and Ashley's popularity isn't going away anytime
Ryder James
Yeah she is. There's no reason for her to get in over the older Wario Ware characters and there's no way that she's going to top any upcoming official ballots.
Tyler Torres
> Implying they will make more ballots
Chase Hughes
They probably won't. And that's why Ashley is fucked, because that's the only way she could have gotten in.
Aiden Phillips
Retard, no? If characters like Rosalina got in, so can Ashley
>already established AT can be playable in the same game
Hudson Hill
>Rosalina Main character. Has even been playable before in main Mario games. >Ashley Uhhhh... she appeared in some stickers?
Justin Adams
Although he doesn't have a Piranha Plant one I'd rather have a Paper Mario who gets assisted by his companions, who are mostly of species that are enemies in mainstream Mario games. You'd be repping Mario enemies and Paper Mario at the same time and it would be a reason to have them as one character without all being on stage together like Pikmin or Ice Climbers. The fact that the Mario minion who got in just so happens to be perhaps the most well-known that isn't a Paper Mario companion know gives me false hope for Paper Mario…
Ian Gonzalez
Rosalina isn't exactly a great comparison because she's a mainline Mario character, one that appeared in two of the most critically acclaimed games ever made, and ergo that makes her a bigger deal than most characters.
Like what said, the only 'minor' Nintendo franchise to have a non-clone non-protagonist character is Kid Icarus, and well, a lot of that is owed to Sakurai bias.
Oliver Adams
When the fuck did I mention Ultimate dumbfuck? I'm talking about Smash overall
You're coming off as incels who hate on Ashley because she's a girl. Fuck off Ashley haters
Palutena isn't even a minor character in her game. She's Pit's sidekick and also the Peach/Zelda equivalent. Ashley is nothing.
Hudson Martin
Nigga I don't hate Ashley, I'm just saying that she's preeeeetty far down the totem pole of characters that Sakurai would be willing to include in Smash.
Liam Green
>You're coming off as incels who hate on Ashley because she's a girl. Where the hell is this coming from? I legitimately think Mona would be a great fit in Smash Bros. But I haven't deluded myself into thinking Mona is likely either. Both her and Ashley are in the same boat.
Good Fuck Porky Fuck Geno Fuck Isaac Fuck Banjo Fuck Saber And I hope they just don't add a fire emblem shitter, another square rep or another pokemon
Austin Johnson
Porky's case is really sad because Sakurai just blatantly ran out of dev time to bring back his boss fight from Brawl and now people seriously think his absence means something more than exactly that.
Joshua Gomez
Not really.
Asher Reed
Why does no one fix Kazooie’s face to match Banjo’s in this edit
Reggie confirmed all the new fighters will be from series that don't have a fighter on the roster yet, so...
Carson Sanchez
Square hasn't even added Nintendo's second best selling third party, why would they stop?
Nathan Price
>unlike some main characters from some (not widely known) franchises, Piranha Plant is a character everyone knows well Youch Sakurai no need to rub it into the faces of Banjo boys that's just cruel
Careful, Steve, don’t wanna full up too much, or you’ll get stinky gas
Chase Davis
He was literally silenced when, after he and his sources confirmed the new Zelda Switch Title would have nothing to do with Links Awakening, and then it turned out to LITERALLY be Links Awakening. Yeah, Cubivore's in already.
Verge "New Zelda won't have anything to do with Links Awakening" Ben Verge "My sources played as minecraft in the base game" Ben Verge "A minecraft boss will be added in a day one patch" Ben
Josiah Jenkins
>Smash should be a museum of loved video games series and its characters. it is. that's why genuinely loved video game characters are in while meme shit like geno, waluigi and isaac are still out.
>AW FUCKING SAKURAI WHY DIDN'T MYYY CHARACTER GET INTO SMASH AHHHH >WHY DID THIS CHARACTER GET INTO THIS CHILDREN'S VIDEOGAME AAAAHH Sounds like things fatties would say tbqh.
Gabriel Cox
Why can't people understand that the roster has characters that appeals to a variety of people? Even if a character doesn't appeal to you, there's certainly other characters that do. Lose some weight, fatties.
Luke Brown
"Fatties?" K. Rool has been in since August.
Adam Cox
FUCK YOU OP, FUCK YOU OP, GOLDEN SUN SINGLE HANDEDLY SAVED THE GBA, KILL YOURSELF OP, DIE IN A FIRE.
>verge “Kencineroar” ben Shun the nonbelievers. Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
Brody James
Golden Sun wasn't even in the top 20 best selling games for that system.
Brandon Allen
that nigga aint even on a nintendo console wtf
Brody Lee
he's still a fraud tho
Lincoln Sullivan
Neither was Cloud until this month.
Jackson Hughes
Weird how he leaked Incineroar that early, cause it was Decedueye originally as the gen 7 rep, but was changed at the last second to Incineroar.
This was confirmed by Sakurai himself.
Lmfao.
Julian Hall
You forgot your crying wojak, falseflagger
Asher Ward
>Sakurai: While I was having talks with The Pokémon Company, they had shared with me some of the development details for the upcoming Pokémon Sun & Moon games. Up until the very end it was between Decidueye and Incineroar – which one should I choose? I felt like I could do interesting things with either of them, but in the end, I went with Incineroar. Incineroar was picked around Sun and Moon's release. What the fuck are you talking about?
Zachary James
>he thinks last second changes for a character actually happen Do you actually have any idea how game development works? Roy's game got delayed but he still made it in Melee because they couldn't make any big changes to the roster this late in development. God you rosterfags are really dumb. Double digit IQ mouth breathers.
lemme ask something does it even matter who we're laughing at now, so long as they're mad?
James Ross
It's funny cause Vergeben basically went with the safest choice in the Pokemon franchise.
Brandon Johnson
I'd say the smug ones are the best ones to laugh at so they fall harder. Banjo and Sora fans are probably the best bet right now since Geno and Waddle Dee fans have already lost.
Nicholas Sanchez
>Safest choice People were circlejerking Lycanroc, Decidueye and Mimikyu. And even then, that user is a fucking retard if he seriously thinks Incineroar was only added 3 or so months before release.
>Inkling >Literally who What a retard. Splatoon already sells better than Star Fox and has almost outsold the entire Metroid franchise in just 2 games.
Carter Thomas
SOUL
Nathan Hughes
I see, honestly I didn't want a new Pokemon character but at least the one we got is fun
Benjamin Taylor
>Decidueye was considered as well
You might as well say "What Pokemon rep does NOT make it into Smash" because a Pokemon rep is almost always guaranteed. Sakurai's interview about "hottest pokemon in theaters" coincides with Incineroar as well as Incineroar being considerably easier to make a moveset than Decidueye.
lol that would require effort
by the way, are you enjoying being thrown against lopsy looking ropes and being forced to see such shoddiness every single time?
Carter Allen
But it brought in a ton of identify politics into Smash Bros threads. Even more than usual. Now rosterfags are shitting down the throats of other rosterfags and it's a big mess.
Jaxson Cruz
oh, those guys big deal, if people wanted them gone they wouldn't reply to their shitpost threads but i say the ballot did more good than bad, at least for the games, elsewise we wouldnt have the new characters we do
Asher Watson
HE'S IN
Jeremiah Lewis
As someone who finally attained full godhood, but chose to remain here to watch the petty squabbles of the mortals instead of ascending to the summit of Olympus to join the others, I'm really enjoying these base animals tearing each other apart.
>Ice Climbers >The first "Retro" rep of the series, something that Sakurai has done several times in the past So literal whos, just like Isaac.
Robert Peterson
The movie had shit to do with any Pokemon getting in. And Sakurai seemed perfectly ok with making a projectile based character. It seems like he even had ideas on what projectiles to give to Decidueye. >They [Incineroar and Decidueye] were both strong as characters – had it been Decidueye, I could’ve done a variety of things with projectiles and the like. He just ended up preferring pro-wrestling over archery. No bullshit.
Jackson Thomas
>Dragon King If the game had remained this and released as originally intended, nobody would still care about it in the slightest. The roster is the heart of Smash, regardless of what elitists say.
James Nguyen
It would have most likely have been a one-off game only released in Japan
Bentley Lopez
I want Coin Battle back, but this time as a playable character
Says the fucking hack who keeps adding anime sword fighter #34 with the personalities of bland goodie 2 shoes rotten plank.
Isaiah Murphy
Smash has honestly moved past its roster, especially since the series will always have the core Nintendo characters playable. It's really the gameplay that defines Smash Bros the most. Without its fun gameplay, it wouldn't have lasted as long as it has.
Colton Sullivan
Gameplay: Melee > 64 > Ultimate > 4 > Brawl Content: Melee > Ultimate > Brawl > 64 > 4 Gutter trash that never should have been made: 4
Wyatt Brown
seething
Carson Taylor
Cry more, westcuck.
Blake Evans
>all the AT's and bosses being happy with the main cast If this were made by nu-Yea Forums, the AT's would all be crying wojaks locked up in a cage.
Elijah Ross
>Incineroar being considerably easier to make a moveset than Decidueye. decidueye would literally just be another pit clone. how does that take more effort than creating a wrestler character, which smash didn't have? stay seething and coping, owlfag.
I'm so sick of starters and elemental types I could shit blood.
Gabriel Foster
sounds like you're just sick of Pokemon desu
Matthew Thomas
Wow it's like Sakurai based Duck Hunt's new concept partly on them or something
Lucas Anderson
Proof?
Jeremiah Brown
All of the characters in the Fighter Pass will be 3rd Party. I’m 90% sure. But that doesn’t mean we still can’t get characters who aren’t apart of the pass and can be from already represented series.
Luis Wood
True that.
Elijah Sanders
3rd parties betray the spirit of Smash and tarnish its integrity.
Joshua Watson
It's just an assumption because no one knows who brave is
>Hey, what should we add to represent Nintendo? >The second best selling franchise on the NES? >Or this tertiary character from some unknow spin-off? Mega Man, Erdrick (in Japan), Simon, are all more recognizable Nintendo characters than Ashley.
Ryder Roberts
Uh, sorry, but I'm man. I personally go for strongfat and gay combination, actually. Especially for my daddy reptilian.
I mean, they pretty much are "Nintendo" characters, compared to shit like Cloud and Joker. Joker in particular is a terrible choice because he's introducing countless children to an M-rated game where you fuck your teacher.
Grayson Lopez
You misunderstood where I was coming from.
Gabriel Perez
There's nothing m-rated about P5. Even the teacher fucking is pretty tame, since boys fantasize about it sometimes.
Kayden Long
>というか、任天堂すら海外の意見を必要以上に聞きすぎている気がする >ネットでうるさい外人ってジーノとかクロノとかバンカズ求めてるガチ老害なので言うこと聞かなくていいです For the first time, I am seeing foreign hate on Jap smash threads, I guess the mix of too many "only the west cares about this" character getting in and they finally realizing just how much foreigners hate DQ is doing the trick.
Gabriel Reed
What first party characters could nintendo even add at this point? Dante must die mode:franchise without any reps only all that i can think of is a ARMS rep but the game is too new. maybe in the next smash
Christian Edwards
Doesn't the same game have a reprehensible villain who does the same thing Kawakami does but gets demonized for it?
Joshua Green
i'll always be rooting for our boys to come back, even if it isn't in smash. a new golden sun would be bomb, and i'd love to see geno and mallow in a new mario rpg or just. something.
good luck, isaacbro! let's be positive! their chances are pretty grim in general, but the fans will always keep our boys alive!
Jaxson Young
No
Landon Hill
As much as I hate the idea, I feel like by now you Steveposters are demonstrably the most deserving of any shitposter character. Godspeed.
That's what they get for having such poor taste in characters over there.
Ethan Morris
why do you retards keep echoing this fake quote
Caleb Kelly
I could probably see Issac playable in the next game, but since Geno is own by Square, I don't see him getting in, unless Square is more open to Geno inclusion. Don't really care for either character
Kayden Gonzalez
Japan's picks always struck me as better than the West's "Durr Master Chief" And like it or hate it, Dragon Quest is a fitting pick for Smash.
Christian Howard
I'm misunderstanding pretty awfully here, yes.
Just to make sure I'm getting it right, you're a gay man that's speaking an unfortunate phenomenon to me, another gay man, speaking about too many strongfats on straight porn, right?
Why are we calling him "Roto" now all of a sudden?
Kayden Gonzalez
Where'd you get this list? Viewtiful Joe is pretty surprising and I thought Banjo was more of a Western pick, everything else seems pretty par the course for them.
Nathaniel Butler
>The quintessential DQ protag is bland
Lucas Jones
>OH PLEASE SHOVEL SHIT IN MY MOUTH NINTENDO
Carter Barnes
Viewtiful Joe would be great to have, but I doubt, maybe if we get Viewtiful Joe 3
>geno and bandana dee >when they're already spirits Also, why the fuck is joe on there? Not that i'm complaining.
Jordan Barnes
Some japanese fans do want Banjo Kazooie
Liam Myers
Which once again leads me to ask, what's the source on this list?
Jaxon Torres
>Where'd you get this list? From his ass. Don't believe anything you see on Yea Forums.
Chase Davis
I could see Ryu getting in, but I don't think Dante is getting in
Ryder Foster
He is the blandest possible choice and you would know that if you actually liked DQ Anyone pushing for Loto is not a real DQ fan, they're a Smashfag pretending to like him because e-celebs and fake leaks told them to
Don't know, probably a fake list, just saying that Banjo is a somewhat of a popular pick in japan
Ethan Peterson
>Anyone pushing for Loto is not a real DQ fan >Posts the DQV hero O O F
Jaxson Butler
DQ2 has a hero without magic and Luminary can only use swords. DQ3's popularity also can't be ignored, 11 even used it's map theme to lure back fans.
Adrian Rodriguez
Oh, I get it now. For some reason, your initial post somehow has made me get really confused to understand your interpretation. Sudden brainfart, I suppose, so sorry about that.
I'm a full gay man, but still, I'm really sorry to hear that. I can only guess that girls, theses days, prefer more men who are more lean on their appearance and present some beautiful and primary cutesy features. In simple words, most might prefer bishõnen "men", boys.
I could suggest you to try being bisexual for just one moment, and see if you will like it or not, but of course, I would never force that to you. It's just suggestion.
In the end, don't give up. I'm most than sure that there will be some woman on this world that will stay hypnotized upon the sight of you and your muscles, and wish that she were your girlfriend. Don't give up!
