Mark Kern Destroys Yea Forums on Epic Store Info Gathering

>*emotes*
you need professional help from an executioner.

Why does steam need to know what website I was browsing?

>I see farther
>as far as my wallet at least
Epic buys public opinion, not just devs.

He's in the business of making and selling video games. Why the fuck would you think that he is NOT going to defend bigger cut for himself?

It doesn't, Cheng.

>proficient game dev professional
Don't bullshit me, faggot; I remember what happened with firefall

It does, Gomez

Oh no no no
Mark you were the chosen one

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launchers were a mistake

>steam needs competition, monopolies are bad
>wtf stop asking us for linux support, just use windows

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>Newell also explained the reasoning for VAC's use of DNS data, explaining that as cheats get more advanced, cheat creators for Steam's online games can charge money for their hacks. Many, Newell said, also create DRM and anti-cheat code for their original hacks, designed to ensure a cheater has actually paid for their cheat. Those cheats "phone home" to an external DRM server that confirms a cheater has paid to use the cheat, a process that leaves a tell-tale trail in the users DNS entries. If found by VAC, then details of the matching DNS entries would be sent to Valve's VAC servers. The details would be checked one final time, and that client would be marked for a future ban.

Uuuuuh

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desu I don't really give a fuck that the anti-cheat software scans processes and whatnot, gotta keep cheaters out somehow and current it's the only effective way to do so, which is why everyone is doing it.

it's the shitty anti-consumer practices and exceedingly poor store features that irks me about EGS

it might even turn into a sensible platform one day, but not any time soon.

Does free thinker means retard?

It means ignoring evidence and logic

>epic games employee says some shit to defend his employer
What a concept.
Also he's a retard that doesn't understand GDPR doesn't allow you to aggregate data even if you never plan on sending it.

>>epic games employee says some shit to defend his employer

He's not an Epic Games employee you stupid fuck.

>steal info
when you steal the other persons looses something. Epic is just making a copy of your data and wouldnt have paid you for it anyway.
This is way its caller piracy and not stealing

This guy's a complete retard. In one of his most recent tweets he tries to imply that Steam is being ran by the Chinese because a Taiwanese developer took their own game down.

He doesn't have the full story clearly, but the actual story is an another embarrassing romp in the ever growing story of "User reviews are bad"

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Ok Cao Aman.

I'm not sure why, but I've never been able to trust anybody who uses an avatar of a Churya parody of themselves.

mark kern is a has been whose last good work was almost 15 years ago (and he exaggerates his role in it).
he doesn't know shit.

And when are they gonna finish that?

Why should I trust a random retarded Yea Forums poster that worships the very ground Valve walks on?

>40 games
>handful of them aren't even released yet
Non-combatant tier. Even GoG offers more competition.

VAC when release had actual huge scandal being ACTUAL invasive spyware and did a lot of damage to Valve, but most steam drones are too young to remember.

Yea Forums absolutely BTFO

All I remember is damage control from caught cheaters

>Even GoG offers more competition.

Not really, it's fucking dead.

gog.com/news/conclusion_of_the_bfair_price_packageb_program

>bla bla bla
>The copying of steam info is a mistake
>Needs to be fixed
Yes that's the whole point, but it's not a mistake, they did it willingly hoping no one will ever found.

>epic wants to create and encourage competition
>does nothing to help GOG or other stores
>just wants to profit all on its own
Talk about corporate greed.

>>epic wants to create and encourage competition
epic never said this was their main goal you valve drone. their main goal was to become a big store. by your logic valve is just a greedy because they don't help the other stores either.

>competition will lower rates for all stores/launchers
That was already happening Kern, you useless fuck. Lots of stores were offering competitive prices on games that Steam wasn't.
That won't happen if you literally can't buy a game on anything other than a single store.

Well, and that's why i am going to do the same to their video games. Nothing personel, epic.

valve doesnt make exclusive deals which prevent other stores like gog from getting the games
epic does

I thought he was the steamspy faggot.
These twitter user pics all look the god damn same.

because valve is the big player already. they dont need exclusive deals

Give up, ant people and console cancer cant wrap their mind around that

Nor is steam owned by fucking Tencent in bumfuck China. We don't have to worry about data about us stays with us and isn't being sold to the Chinese so they can build databases of everyone who exists

Yes, and?

>Epic needs scummy practices!

>ceo of the company that supposedly mishandles your data
>ensures you on twitter that they don't mishandle your data
Well, what else would he do? Ever heard of conflicting interests?

>Mark Kern
>CEO of Epic
Are you retarded?

I dunno, all I see is The console war being transplanted into the freedom platform. If it was all about the revenue share Devs should have backed Discord store but they didn't.

Steam doesn't pass the info it gathers on me to the Chinese government.

>I'm a free thinker

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I guess kern is releasing his next flop on the epic store

>no argument
typical underage valve drone

i didn't say that, my point was that you can't act like steam is "supporting competition" by literally doing nothing.

Argument for what?

>still no argument
mmm hmm

Seriously, what conflict is here?

>game developer defending a store which only benefits game developers

wow what a surprise

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This is the only place where I see retards defending epic.
I'm sure at this point it's just shitposting, no one in their right mind would be on their side.

Your 5 is the biggest surprise in this thread.

>muh information

is a retarded argument anyway

our info is completely fucked and can never be unfucked, its a consequence of the reality of technology advancing too fast for people to keep up

>there aren't already hundreds of games you can only get on steam

>dabs

Jesus, wtf.

When the alternative is anti-competitive practices like buying up exclusives, they literally are

racism is prejudice + power
epic doesn't have the power, steam does. So it's impossible for epic to be racist.

the alternative is actively supporting smaller stores you drone

But your "argument" was that it's ok for Epic to lie, cheat and steal.

The concept of "exclusives" is console war bullshit and needs to die

the last thing we need is to resurrect the console war as a launcher war

no its not retard. i literally explained that. figures underage valve drones can't read.
same thing to you as i said above. thats not my argument.

But many of us use Humble and GoG already. How come those don't count but Epic does? Epic has a shit ton of money already, why should we give them more?

How is steam not doing that? They honour keys sold on smaller stores every single day

> TFW You will never act like a retard on the internet

Feels good, good luck on your crusade pal.

literally who

>Mark Kern
>Red 5 Studios
>Firefall
>That fucking Firefall bus ("but it was cheaper than getting banner ads on websites!")
Yeah, he can't "see farther" than shit.

lol

>valve drones so butthurt when faced with the truth have to build a straw man and then pat each other on the back for defeating the straw man
yeah, im never using steam it looks like. enjoy gabens hairy balls.

Valvecucks on suicide watch!

>no mention of Tenc*nt
if he does not name them, he's paid by them
insectoid defenders get the rope like subhumans themselves

oh no
my kickback

Cringe

>Why does steam need to know what website I was browsing?
They used to to see if the user is browsing for cheating tools, but they don't anymore after criticism.

Get your facts straight, monkey.

Who the fuck is mark cuck?

i'd rather give my info to americans to sling on to marketing teams than chinese botnets that'll enslave the world.

that's the developer's choice ya dingus, it's different to Epic bribing them

zero evidence

>bribe
lmao so offering a smaller cut is bribing now? offering a safety net to devs is bribery?

>have cute calarts avatar
>its still ugly

>offering a safety net to devs is bribery?
in exchange for exclusivity? yes

>WTF EPIC IS MAKING DEALS WITH DEVS AND DEVS ARE VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTING THESE DEALS?!?!?
retard

>as a dev i'll defend the dev platform
and as a customer i'll attack the platform that doesn't benefit me.

Based original diablo creator

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If the Epic Games Launcher didn't play Fortnite it would be called a spyware program.

Spin and shill all you like, there's absolutely no getting away from the fact that Epic is searching for and aggregating data that it has no business looking at, and is doing so without the user's permission.

It's shady, it's a violation of trust, and possibly violates GDPR.

If this wasn't a big deal, why did they never disclose it before they got caught? Why did they lie about it?

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I don't know anything about this but I trust Valve whereas I do not trust these other faggots.

Steam isn't chinese spyware. It's also false equivalence. I can use steam and never have to interact with VAC, but if I want to use the Epic store I have to install the program that spies on me. Also anyone who uses the battle.net client needs to be gassed and doxed honestly.

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When the fuck did he became a retard? No they scan the steam info and send it BEFORE asking for permission, several users reproduced this. No scanning your whole computer is not the same as scanning the ACTIVE processes. No, steam does NOT scan your whole computer, easiest way to prove this is how it takes time for it to scan your hardware and help you install the drivers if you try the driver install help.

Holy shit, he WAS the one responsible for Firefall's death wasn't he? I wasn't willing to believe before this, but now it's pretty clear. He's defending that shitty store because he want a big paycheck to make his game exclusive.

Because it comes at the price of fucking over the customers and having a lower install base.

>Even blizzard scans a ton of your computer
This is bullshit, he's just in damage control at this point. I've dealt with WoW and D3 bots for years, there was a point where it was true, but they stopped after discussing with lawyers about it.

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You're ignoring the people can easily see when a game is being review bombed, furthermore you are ignoring that there's usually a REASON for the reviewbombs. KYS

SO what your saying is they're still exclusive to Steam. That shit is exactly why people keep calling them a monopoly.

It's funny how people talk up the EGS as being competition to Steam yet it's still not even up to par with the publisher launchers and others like GOG and the Humble Bundle yet they have the backing of the LARGEST video game company in the world and all that Fortnite money.
If it was going to be actual competiton to Steam it would actually be available in China and launch with all of the same if not more features then Steam but they couldn't even do that.
Pathetic.

>With an increasing share paid to developers, our cut gets smaller
Literally another case of developers screwing up consumers, who could have thought?

Also should have mentioned, at least the WoW client's security (warden) scans the computer's RAM searching for cheats/hacks/bots/etc and is on the same level as an anti-virus software, and as far as I know doesn't collect data unless the player actually breaks something in the game

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't chinese companies forced by law to send data they collect from people to the government if requested? This "they delete it" thing doesn't count if that actually true.

bruh accepting a bribe doesn't not make it a bribe

NOOOO HE DIDN'T DESTROY US, WE ARE STILL RIGHT

you're correct

>I'm a free thinker and proficient game dev
didn't he kill a company by hiring a bus full of cosplayers?

>IT'S ME, I'M THE FREE THINKER THAT CAN SEE FARTHER THAN ALL THESE PLEBS

Holy fuck what ego.

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It's the main reason the Tencent connection is so concerning.

literally who?

based

I think they could be
posts like yours that shit all over them are hardly ever get replies. A shitposter would fan the flames by replying to you in stupid ways while a person defending something would avoid the criticism

>that's the developer's choice ya dingus

wow I didn't know epic was forcing devs at gunpoint.

he "made" World of warcraft.

muh chinese boogeyman

your fucking government stores every fucking thing about you already you stupid faggots.

He was a producer for nearly every classic Blizzard game, except first two warcrafts and other early works.

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So... like every government in the world?

They use it for marketing purposes and it's like who the fuck cares
is it really harming anyone

but that's my goverment. Why would I want a foreign goverment in on my action too?

You fucking fool, we aren't actively, constantly identified like the chinese are. They are communists who have camera-based tracking technology that observes and learns an entire environment in real-time. That is the robotic nightmare of many people who acknowledge problems. These are the fucking people who erase events from ever existing and call them "western imperialist lie"

I would rather valve have my information than the Chinese government

This man hasn't made a good game in fifteen years. In fact, he hasn't made anything but a flop in all that time.

The key to selling is honesty with customers

>epic store will bring competition
>I'm a free thinker
>I can see farther

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techinasia.com/firefall-mark-kern-sacked-the9-story

>The rise and fall of Mark Kern: how one man may have doomed Firefall and The9

Yeah this sounds like a guy we should listen to.

>He would swoop in one afternoon and berate a series of features several teams had spent months on, declaring they begin again and LISTEN to what he told them to do. He’d be back in a few days to see if it was done. This crushed morale, and forced people into spontaneous, isolated crunch mode. He would shout and scream his perspectives. He would ignore anything that didn’t fit his immediate viewpoint – which was subject to sudden, violent changes. He would rage-email people in the small hours of the night, or on weekends.

>He would spout bile and vitriol to the point where he gave some employees (mostly his production crew) access to a “safeword.” This was in case he was being particularly verbally abusive, someone could yell it out or email it to him and he would clam up. He had the misguided notion that he could write quality fiction, and would force feed it to members of the writing team. He’s fired people on the spot, berating and screaming at them publicly. He’s thrown temper tantrums AND objects around the office.

He spent a few million dollars on a bus that didn't even work as a part of promotion for a game that was in early alpha.

/thread

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Yea Forums BTFO

fucking zomer.

Thread is over, don't know why people are still posting

He simply saw farther than the rest of the team, please understand.

>WE
>NEED
>PC
>CONSOLE
>WAR
Fuck you

Chinese protecting chinese.

Also his political bullshit in general is pure cringe.
Especially that he propagated that an "anarchist" did the shooting in NZ. What the fuck is wrong with him?

The console wars haven't lowered the price of games, what makes this shit for brains think it will for PC? Has competition lowered the price of gas at the pump? Has it lowered the cost of beef?

Fucking idiot.

Well, if they say they aren't I guess they aren't, it's not like someone would just go and tell lies that would benefit them

honestly wish anti cheat was even more invasive/ effective, fuck cheaters

Not only user data from competitor program. Epic Store scans way beyond that shit on your system. Check with sysinternal tools on your system and get pale.

It's pure malware. I seriously hope that the EU and the consumer protection will sue/ban them asap.

Fucking hell. well played, Chang.

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I understand where Mark is coming from here with regards to competition for steam, but at the end of the day epic's launcher and store are shit in comparison.

Funny, but I hope you and the people paying you realize this cuts both ways and nobody with any sense will actually pay for any epic store exclusives.

too late.
the misinfo mill is already up and running because Yea Forums is retarded

Lmao

The only reason Kern is defending epic is because they give him a bigger cut if he puts his game on it.

>man who doomed firefall and forced red5 into being sold to chinese defends chinese company

I've been found out!

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>it's different
it's "different" because it's a convenient boundary to set for pcbros
just like it's "different" when it's first party

>Noone read Epic'sStoreEULA
Shit is funny.

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>cheaper games for all
If he doesn't want to be called a shill why is he lying about things.

Forgot the funniest part.

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you realize literally every software EULA has that line, right? is this your first time reading one?

>block all those who call him epicshill
That's much but I kind of understand why-
>cheaper games
Heh... Fuck off

I can understand not guaranteeing it will work due to the nature of PCs, but not guaranteeing it's not a virus? Fuck right off.

That's true. Excluding the "malware" part in Epic's EULA.

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>anti cheat program scanning for cheating software executables is the same as collecting your personal data
top bloke

Having a massive ego and disregarding the viewpoint of everyone else is the only way to live life, prove me wrong. You probably realize that's futile

There is literally nothing stopping someone uploading a steam game with obfuscated zero-day code in it. You think Valve is responsible if you get hacked?

>scanning for cheating software executables
Ah yes, and how pray tell do they scan it? oh right, by reading every data on your PC including browsing history

cheaper games for all*
*all means north america, the rest of you can get bent

Way of life of a brainlet chad.

>washed up piece of shit making a indie game no one gives a fuck about

USA USA USA

Thanks

Except Switzerland

On the site note:

I already reported Epic / Epic store to all local, state wide of my country and EU regarding consumer protection and GDPR.

Everyone else should do so too.

Just google consumer protection / GDPR web forms of your state / country and EU. At least most consumer protection offer this.

Describe everything wrong with Epic from privacy with links to discussions/news, but also wrongdoing and questionable practices as in "forced" exclusivity and market-distorting practices and refund problems ect..

Let them feel our Nerdrage for real this time. Don't let us accept this shady practices, we are already sick enough of the current state of this shithole industry. Don't let Epic slide with this shit and make it a new acceptable standard!

Godspeed!

>fuck me harder, daddy

...

Absolutely, yes

thats right goy others do it too so its not a problem stop panicking.

he literally points out what they did wrong partially
just kys

>i wish we could do anti cheat less invasively
>brings up VAC
literally one of the least invasive anti-cheats out there, what a fucking simpleton

>cheaper games
What the fuck? They're extremely cheap already. And how does making Metro Exodus an exclusive make it cost less?

>literally one of the least invasive anti-cheats out there

Sure, Jan

It's 50 bucks for clapistans, fuck the rest of the world though you pay 60 dollars plus processing fees, it's the only way to sustain the platform on a 12% revenue split.

Though if it was on steam you could probably get it for 45 bucks on Fanatical.

some of the most low effort shitposting, kill yourself, faggot.

more about who gets the info
at least steam isnt chinks

1) VAC is an anti-cheat, its more justified on scanning every process to make sure none are cheats
2) not every Steam game uses VAC, moron

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i hate this faggot's twitter icon so much. i never remember who he is other than that he's probably somehow gamergate related in one way or another? which is the worst thing you could remember about a person. Anyway I hope he dies soon. Didn't read the tweets or thread

oh yeah, "cheaper"

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>Mark Kern
>ruins your game with a truck
kek

I love steam kids thinking that the existence of competition must mean that prices instantly fall like a rock or something. These things take time, buddy. When epic gains some market share you'll find key resellers offering deals just as good as that, with the added bonus of game prices falling across the board.

>fuck cheaters
Or just region lock chinks.

he sure could see further when he tanked a game after hundreds of millions were dumped into its development

>a business wants to make money
WOOOOOOOOOW

>mark kern

>Mark Kern
youtube.com/watch?v=d4zioTMHB_o

>epic
>providing keys to resellers
Good one

why aren't games cheaper on epic store itself considering publishers take significantly larger cut? sweeny has been repeating "better prices" with every tweet and interview over and over and over

Why aren't games cheaper on steam despite brick and mortar and publishing deals taking far more than a 30% cut? Oh, right, because companies love money, and they aren't about to pass the savings onto consumers unless they have an actual competitor.

Fucking end yourself, you dumb sack of shit.

I'm tired of retards, contrarians and shills defending this trash heap of a company and client.
Stick the Epic Store up your fucking ass if you love it so much. Funny how they won't release sales numbers even though Galyonkin loved releasing Steam sales numbers and then when he couldn't anymore he cried like a nigger.
Every game that releases on it is a fucking flop and it'll stay that way unless they start actually trying.

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Tiananmen Square 1989 Anti-Rightist Struggle Winnie the Pooh Xingang

Then there's literally ZERO reasons to use the Ebin store.

gabe isn't the one promising better prices, besides, you can use other authorized retailers like GMG and fanatical to get games much cheaper
so. whats the point of egs? i can already get my games cheaper than what epic is offering
steam is vastly better service than egs
steam has vastly better library than egs

It used to mean not being shackled to religion or the chains of society, back in the day. So it means fedora edgelord in today's parlance.

As someone far removed from steam after I stopped playing new games, Epic store might be the nut punch valve needs to be good again. I have no sympathy for them as a company after Artifact.

I appreciate Epic, since they're already bribing the devs with a cash injection they don't need my money, so I can freely pirate every Epic exclusive.

I can choose not to play VAC games

>I can see farther
Isn't this the same guy who headed development on Firefall?
Something tells me he can't see that far.

Valve won't keep it on their store

When Linux becomes relevant

CONSOLE
WAR
ON
PC