Why is it considered okay for games to be Steam exclusive but not Epic exclusive?

Steam is a better service and has been around a hell of a lot longer, so it's easier to swallow. Hell Steam's so feature-rich as it is that a competitor is hard-pressed to do anything better or offer a unique feature or service

Also Steam doesn't illegally spy on you or scrape your Origin/Epic folders el oh el

"Developers should make their games exclusive for free, not get paid for it".

Steam exclusivity is fucked up too.

Autism. People are too lazy to click a different icon. They're cool with Steam DRM but not any other company's basically out of sheer laziness/bootlicking

because they aren't chinese

If you count "dev didn't bother to release on another platform" as exclusive, I guess there are.

Why does it matter if it's paid if it's still exclusive?

>Hell Steam's so feature-rich as it is that a competitor is hard-pressed to do anything better or offer a unique feature or service
Steam literally does not have proper patch note, box art or release date support.

Fucking retard

what games has valve forced to be on their store

Steam doesn't pay for exclusivity. If a game only gets a Steam release it's because of the devs/publisher decision, not Steam. Now, go away Cheng.

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See if you genuinely believed that you wouldn't resort to cop-outs like "lazy" or "bootlicking"

>having spyware installed

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If Steam's not paying them, it's Valve's loss.

>Why does it matter if it's paid if it's still exclusive?
How is this even a question? Do you understand the difference between the developers not wanting to publish on another client and not being able to?

I don't want steam exclusive games beyond what Valve make themselves. There is no benefit to using epic games store for me beyond "Well they bought the exclusive rights to sell the game so I guess if you want it you gotta buy it on epic"

I've always thought Steam was shite, but Epic Games is the greater evil right now

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It's ironic that when steam was still letting only few games in. developers were crying how their games won't sell if they don't get in steam and life is unfair.

nothing is exclusive to steam you ignorant child. publishers don't go anywhere else because of sheer laziness and they are not paid for it. there is literally nothing stopping anyone from using ms app store, uplay, origiin, or gog. learn the meaning the worlds you're using and stop falling for the tencent false narrative.

If Steam's not offering the better deal, why shouldn't devs take it?

I've legit Steam seen devs with patreons - it's pathetic.

Wrong, its the consumer loss

>Steam literally does not have proper patch note
Community announcements already serve that purpose
>box art or release date support.
Legitimately who cares about things you could Google for a digital product, if those are dealbreakers for Steam you're probably actively looking for reasons to not use it

Me in the back

>trying to turn PC into a console
Get fucked ching chong.

implying there are any steam exclusive games to begin with other than valves own games
when games are on steam they are always on everything else
when ching chong chinky gives 10 million dollars to some old fag that doesnt know what a computer is so his games company can go be epic exclusive is completely different

No, Valve wants games on Steam, because they're like scummy landlords who live off the hard work of others

If more and more games leaves, that's less money in Valve's coffers

Steam is spyware, so if you use it yeah. Also so is windows, and it isn't an installable program, but so is Yea Forums and google. Imagine bitching about spyware while actively using spyware. I don't use the epic store, but this is pathetic.

There's no such thing as a steam exclusive, outside of Valve's own games, and many of those even got a console release of some sort

Why do people care about this? It is not like you need to buy a whole new pc to play these exclusives.

>when ching chong chinky gives 10 million dollars to some old fag that doesnt know what a computer is so his games company can go be epic exclusive is completely different

Yeah, it's Valve not caring about good games being on Steam anymore

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>box art or release date support.
Pic related
>patch note
store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=282800&appgroupname=100% Orange Juice

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Steam doesn't force exclusivity. If you're a small dev you may not have the connections or resources to get it listed on a platform with more rigid standards

I'm not a fan of Origin or BattleNet's exclusivity either, but at least they have the excuse of actually developing the exclusive games

People think they're rooting for the underdog by supporting a start-up Steam competitor, then it turns out it's shit and nobody wants to use a dedicated launcher for one publisher's games and/or it spies on you

>There's no such thing as a steam exclusive

store.steampowered.com/app/439310/Until_I_Have_You/

store.steampowered.com/app/428880/The_Quest/

personally I trust epic more than I trust steam

Buying DRM-free version from devs website > GOG > Itch.io > Steam >> Uplay > Battle.net > Battlenet clones (Paradox, Bethesda) > Epic Store >> shit >> Windows Store

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>Steam doesn't force exclusivity.

It used to by way of being the only relevant digital store front (GoG is irrelevant shit for example)

Now that Epic is around, devs genuinely don't need Steam.

You are a retard if you trust any

How fucked up do your algorithms have to be to even encounter shit like this?

>Buying

Those aren't exclusives.

Steam is a bigger/more popular service, it has a higher traffic and everyone's used to it by now. That's literally it. Imagine if a new store opened up. You're really looking forward to it cause it will sell some shit you've not been able to find elsewhere. That store is a videogame. Now, imagine if it opened up in a) highly well known, popular shopping center, where you can do some other chores as well, or b) opens 5 hours drive away from the city you live in, out in the middle of nowhere. Would you not be in the slightest bit annoyed at option b?

The only Steam-exclusive games are Valve games. It's entirely moral to want to sell your own games on your own storefront. This would be like (warning: food analogy)/spoiler] being upset that you can't buy a whopper from Wendy's.

If a game is exclusive to Steam (notwithstanding Valve’s own games) then you blame the developer or publisher for that, because they chose not to release elsewhere. Valve didn’t cut a shady deal with them to pull their already-announced, already-preordered releases from other vendors and dick over customers in exchange for millions of dollars.

I just want everything on one account, I literally don't care about anything else.

Because steam does not pay for exclusives
The devs release wherever they want
Epic introduced exclusive deals

starting a store and keeping the games you actually produce exclusive to it it is one thing. starting a store then ransoming games for a year - that you had no hand in making - and paying publishers to remove a game from other storefronts to severely reduce price competition is another.

Why can't I buy them on GoG then? Hell I'm trying to think of another digital store front that might sell these indie games, but I can't.

>It used to by way of being the only relevant digital store front (GoG is irrelevant shit for example)
That's not forced exclusivity

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It is if Steam is the only one with the features you want like achievement integration

Ask the devs

>Screenshots of data logged by the software suggested Valve was building a list of every website players visited

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26240140

Consider:

Tim Sweeney paid a game publisher a million fucking dollars just to inconvenience YOU, so he could make money for a crooked Chinese company.

You can either bend over for that, or tell him to fuck off.

I guarantee it'll be the same answer

>There's nothing as good as Steam

Hell, The Quest, one of the best RPGs I've ever played, was DENIED from sale on GoG. Fuck GoG niggers and fuck Steam.

That's still not forced exclusivity.

>only one market offers tools you would want
>"this is forced exclusivity"
nigga that's how a fucking competitive market works
aka: what Epic Games isn't

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>aka: what Epic Games isn't

aka Steam drones don't like actual competition.

these.
valve got an accidental temporary monopoly in steam because they were the first company to really make an attempt to take off on the videogame online marketplace. even then it's not really a hardline monopoly because valve is not using their money to buy out competition and then shut them down.

epic meanwhile is attempting to create a genuine monopoly by influencing developers and publishers with bribes to not only use their platform, but to make it EXCLUSIVE to their platform, when there is no reason for such exclusivity to exist.

> but epic is an american company!
there are no american companies. only companies owned by share holders.
independent chinese investors or shareholders? there is only the chinese government and its agents/spies.

if there's chinese involvement, something is being stolen, copied, and corrupted.

exclusives aren't competition
do you consider streaming services to be a "competitive market"?

I got banned for posting the Tiananmen Square/Winnie the Pooh copypasta in one of these threads the other day, so I won't.
I'll just say: fuck off with your Chinese spyware.

Epic having to pay devs for exclusivity is just pathetic

You realize how fabricated the exclusivity wars of fucking LAUNCHERS are, right? If I wanted to play your game, I would download an extra launcher. No problem. But epic is clearly looking at steam and saying 'i want that' for no clear reason. And that is really sus.

He's the epic spammer. He needs to be deliberately inflamatory or the thread dies, and he needs to repost it.

because fanboys with shit taste in games put gabens fat ass on a pedestal. it literally is ok when steam does it.

>exclusives aren't competition

Listen to my dog

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How little do you have to believe in the quality of your own product to spend $6 million and counting attempting to force people to use it?

Even if your ploy works, it’s a testament to how utterly dogshit the Epic store must be if they’ll pay millions of dollars to compel people to use it.

>epic meanwhile is attempting to create a genuine monopoly by influencing developers and publishers with bribes to not only use their platform, but to make it EXCLUSIVE to their platform, when there is no reason for such exclusivity to exist.
>when there is no reason for such exclusivity to exist.

How about making their platform relevant you stupid shit?

>tool running serverside comparing popular cheat sites and only sending data when a flag is raised
vs
>actual data harvesting tool backed by a company that has historical ties with the chinese goverment and has been found spying through multiple launchers and games

>why shouldn't devs take it?
As has been established countless times already, this is not about what's better for developers, but what's better for consumers.

I just don't see the difference between the two as a consumer. I will just buy it on whatever software it is on if I want the game.

>It's OK when valve does it!

You realise Steam was just a shitty DRM that offered no positives at release, right? That it only offered exclusives to make you use it?

You remember, Steam drone? No, you don't, you're a youngfag who maybe discovered Steam a year after the Orange Box was released, when Steam kinda wasn't shit (but still was shit)

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>How about making their platform relevant you stupid shit?
how about making it relevant by offering better deals, support, and overall functions rather than taking games hostages with fortnite money?

>Whole Epic thing starts
Oh boy, at last somebody trying to compete with Valve
>Proceed to use every fucking scummy tactic on the book
Oh well. Things would have worked much better for EGS if they at least tried to be a little more subtle about it, at least at first.

Exclusivity is a retarded anyway. Artificially limiting your potential customer base is so ass-backwards that only a marketing department could think of an idea that stupid.

Of-course a false equivalence because that's the only way anybody could make a case for epic bullshit practices... Steam "exclusives" aren't "exclusive" because Valve are paying for the exclusivity. Nothing's preventing those devs from releasing their games on other digital stores.

Because Steam got there first. Brainlets on Yea Forums pretend to care about "anti-consumer practices" but then willingly support a monopoly because it's convenient from them personally.

>As has been established countless times already, this is not about what's better for developers, but what's better for consumers.

What if I don't care about most retarded consumers - especially the kind of Yea Forums posters that worship shitty indie games like Binding of Isaac, Darkest Dungeon and FTL?

The main difference here is that it was their own product, not something they just bribed their way in

steam doesn’t pay for exclusives, they just happen

No matter how bad Valve has fallen as a company, they're still not the ones spending millions of Chinese plastic-rice to ensure no other platform can use "their" games.

its not ok when anyone does it, but not comparing the severity of it with a company that has a dirty track record would be even more stupid

>How about making their platform relevant you stupid shit?
It’s the exclusive home to the largest game on the planet (Fortnite). It’s got all the eyes on it a company could ever dream of. It’s paying for exclusivity because they realized that even with an installbase that massive, the service was so pathetic nobody would use it unless they had no other choice.

And rather than spend money improving the service, they said “fuck it, let’s spend money making sure people have no other choice”. Because the team behind the service are too talentless to ever compete with a proper service.

Exclusives do not drive innovation or competition, retard. If they did, there would be one streaming service that's worth the money.
Having to pay for a PC and PS4 for decent games already goes to show that it's not competitive.
Fucking hang yourself with surgical wire.

Never underestimate the power of valve cucks

we did. Your dog had his own fucking thread yesterday.

You should take your dog out back and shoot it becaus he's a retard. Then you should shoot yourself in the head.

>Exclusives do not drive innovation or competition, retard.

Super Mario Bros on NES

Sonic on Genesis

>Artificially limiting your potential customer base is so ass-backwards
Not if devs expect poor sales. Think about it, if they expect a certain amount of sales (most likely very low sales), and someone like Epic Games offered them more money than that, it makes sense why they'd do it.

very nice argument there, you really changed my view

>It was an ACCIDENTAL monopoly so therefor Steam exclusives get a double standard!
Well said, praise gaben, brother!

holy shit you keep repeating yourself every thread while missing the point entirely
are you daft? seriously, this is very concerning

I don't give a fuck about epic paying garbage companies with games I'd never even heard of before to be exclusive, but them obviously shilling here is getting real fucking annoying.

If you can't tell the difference betwen the launchers within 90 seconds of use, then they'res really no hope for you user.

They're not limiting it. The customer base is all PC owners, same as Steam.

Developers on steam are free to sell a DRM free version of their game on their own website.

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Apart from valve developed/published games, are there any games which the publishers are contractually obliged to only sell the game through steam? If not, then that pretty much answers the thread.

If anyone knows any games that are actually steam exclusive please enlighten me, i did a half arsed google search with out anything solid showing.

>in-house developed is the same as taken hostage

fucking retard

>Not if devs expect poor sales.

And they should, because Steam is a dumping ground of shit that buries the few gems

Steam drones consider it lucky that you can even sell 300 copies these days for fuck sakes.

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They both have a dirty track record.

>PC cuck
>me getting fucked in the ass drives the industry
Well aint that the pot calling the kettle a nigger.

No one complained when Fortnite was released as a Epic Store exclusive, for the same reason no one would complain nowaday about a Half Life game being released as a Steam exclusive for one simple reason : the game is developped published by the platform's maker.
It's a different story when the pay a 3rd party dev/publisher to put his upcoming game on your platform exclusively.

Personnaly, I don't care on which platform a game get released.
I admit I would rather have all of them on a single platform, being able to play all of them from a single launcher, But I have long accepted that this is just asweet dream.

Lmao you just fell for the trap

The NES made a strict exclusivity agreement with devs/publishers and they couldn't release their games on the competition.

>mfw valve drones cry about exclusives being bad for competition but they refuse to buy anything that's not on Steam

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Outside refunds I don't use any of the features on steam. I don't really know anyone who does as well.

Good games never seem to have a hard time on Steam. Indie devs are salty about not getting gold rush money from when any shovelware asset flip trash would make money on Steam because there was no competition. Good games shine through with RARE exception.

Selling your own titles on your own storefront is moral. Bribing devs isn't. Did you want me to listen to your dog because you don't have the grey matter to form your own coherent thoughts?

I know I'm guilty of this. Never bought a single thing on Origin, but I will buy some games on Epic Store.

Let's say both are equally shitty spyware programs, I'm still going to with Steam because chinks are the shadiest motherfuckers on the planet, we've had Huawei phones banned from sale here because the Chinese goverment were spying on everyone. Secondly from playing f2p games I've seen it's not just the goverment, those Chinese cockroach citizens are the most cancerous pieces of shit on the planet

In short, fuck Tencent, fuck Epic, fuck China

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I'm not trying to cure your autism, I'm laughing at it.

>The NES made a strict exclusivity agreement with devs/publishers and they couldn't release their games on the competition.
What does that have to do with Super Mario Bros

All the games """"journalist"""" shilling for epic is already enough, we don't need shills coming here as well, fuck off.

But it is limiting. Do you want your product sold in one store or do you want it sold in as many places as possible so as many people as possible will see it and have the opportunity to buy it.

>mfw shill wants me to use their shitty bloatware, but I already buy from GoG

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>buy a Steam key from a third-party site
>end up giving 100% of my money to the devs
>Steam gets exactly 0 dollars and 0 cents
Yeah that's totally exclusivity Mr. Epic Gamer

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>taken hostage
Valve drone mental gymnastics ladies and gents

I only know about Phoenix Point thanks to the controversy. Games becoming Epic Store exclusive hits the news hard - mainly from Steam crybabies pushing the news

CD Projekt puts The Witcher on Steam even though they have their own store, Valve could do the same if they wanted.

>Selling your own titles on your own storefront is moral. Bribing devs isn't.

Why?

Damn. Well, it depends on how big the studio is. If they're not popular in the least, 300 sales is a decent number for your first couple of games. But overall yeah, there's way too much shit on Steam, especially among the indie devs.

>>end up giving 100% of my money to the devs

Uhm. I don't think GMG or Humble give devs 100% of the profit

Hell I'd be willing to say that Epic's 12% is a better deal for the devs than something like Fanatical

>Steam key
>Steam
>Steam keys aren't exclusive to Steam

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So could Epic

Please list what games on Steam exclusive DUE to the fact the developer signed an exclusivity deal with Valve in exchange of money.

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>GoG
>Buying games
Spotted the shill

Then kill yourself you shitty game dev. Just because your product isn't good enough to actually sell itself on the more popular platform so you have to take the money from epic doesn't mean you're correct. In fact, quite the opposite.

By the way, this is a move I greatly appreciate from CDProjekt. But if I ever buy Witcher 3, it'll probably on GOG tho

Because bribing a dev into a contract that says "don't you dare look to sell your product anywhere else" is closed-garden marketing and is the exact same thing that makes me have to own a PS4 and PC just to play decent games in current year 2020-1.

>"Pffft, what's that? Your game doesn't run on Linux? Only Windows? WINDOWS IS AN EXCLUSIVE MARKET GUYS"
This is you.
This is how retarded you sound.

Why is that bad though? The end result is the same for the consumer.

>300 sales is bad
how many games have you bought on the developers website?
how many games have you bought through non-royalty sites like itchio?

good games tend to rise to the top even with little to no marketing, see undertale.

And if a game is on the Epic Store, you can only buy that game on the Epic Store.

Epic's not the one complaining about exclusives.

You're right, you do sound pretty retarded and comparing storefronts to OS confirms it.

Steam respects my freedom to play my games on the platform of my choice with native GNU/Linux support and their backing of the development of Proton, DXVK and RadV with their cut of gaming sales.

Epic's cut may be smaller, but they do nothing to ensure that the games they sell will continue to be available, they do not support platform choice, and they blatantly discriminate against minority platforms with their game releases by using invasive DRM which stops the use of compatibility tools.

>Why is it considered okay for games to be Steam exclusive but not Epic exclusive?
Because Steam does not (and never did) demand exclusivity from developers, plus the vast majority of developers also sell Steam keys on the side and as such a large number of competing shops have appeared, driving prices down (you can often find brand new or even unreleased $60 MSRP games at $40-45). Epic does not allow this and forces exclusivity, thus reducing my purchasing options and trying to force me to pay more (the practical result is that I don't pay at all).

>see undertale.

A pile of shit btw so you're not helping your point here. FNAF rose to the top too.

Why?

What games even are Steam exclusives? Besides the 10 year old games Valve made and random shovelware.

It's a game library service as well. Although I do understand why it'd be very convenient for you to leave that part out.

>Because Steam does not (and never did) demand exclusivity from developers
And? The end result is the same.

It's Steam's fault. Compare their store fronts

>Steam store

I have to squint to see shit, and what I see, I don't like.

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None, OP just has to lie to affirm his view that Steam bad.

Undertale had the backing of the Homestuck fanbase

>game library service
Explain this meme further please. I'm listening.

Steam isn't a spyware service.

Neither is really okay. Ultimately Steam, Epic, GoG, etc. etc., they're delivery platforms for a product that offer no meaningful contribution to the way that product ultimately functions (unless you're talking about multiplayer titles whose multiplayer is literally handled by Valve's servers), and exclusivity deals are pointless hassle dumping even more small print on the end user because "the consumer will deal with it one way or another", and getting in the way of the consumer's logical end goal of acquiring a videogame and playing said videogame at their own leisure.
Steam is (was?) perceived as having a certain value by serving as an essentially one-stop store + frontend for games (even if the "front end" is little more than a screenshot manager and lisk of shortcuts to every game you own that is very convenient for casual users that don't care about organizing those things themselves), and I suppose that's why it got the praise and following it got.
But in the end the people who from the beginning where saying "I don't want Steam, and it is bad for it to have the power that it has" were always right, but in practice it was a hell of a lot of a lesser evil when there wasn't any overt cold warring between companies. The sword of Damocles looks a lot less scary when you have 100% confidence that the hair holding it won't snap anytime soon.

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The entire CoD franchise from MW2 to WWII

I'm curious. What's with this particular game? Do you have a financial investment in it?

>

boards.fireden.net/v/thread/453438357/

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Shit analogy. They're decent landlords that charge a reasonable sum.

You're talking a mall charging rent based on not only traffic, but the amenities it offers for a flat rate. The Steam API that allows you to hook game features for achievements, tracks player hours. All the community features it offers, the Workshop. Now they're throwing in a low latency anti-DOS tool.

Then they've got 15 years of proven reliability to consumers and developers. The biggest catalogue in the industry that is nearly all inclusive. To top it off their client has many nice features including Big Picture mode for controller friendly interfaces, the overlay which is quite a bit nicer than alt-tabbing in a lot of games. All the community portals, the forums, and all they also pedal a small handful of software. They also offer ingame purchase features which I strongly prefer over using dev-constructed charge systems.

This is without mentioning Valve has literally been in competition with the internet in general since its inception. If Devs were so buttblasted about their 30%, tell players to buy it off their website. Even better, host it yourself, advertise it yourself, distribute it yourself.

>Epic Store

Wow, I can actually see the games I'm interested in. I would have never heard of Operencia if not for Epic Store.

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If I buy a steam key from a third-party store, 0% of that money goes to Valve. The fact that the game is then stored on Steam is irrelevant to the dev's pockets.

>Console wars weren't enough, we now have platform wars
What a time to be alive
Nintendo VS Sony threads were more fun imo

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>Steam isn't a spyware service
Zoomer I presume?

Yes it is. pcworld.com/article/2098649/valve-responds-to-steam-browser-spying-allegations-its-for-cheaters-not-porn.html

They LITERALLY track websites you visit.

ITT:
>game only releases on steam, so it's exclusive to steam
>IT'S NOT A STEAM EXCLUSIVE

Uhhh

>And?
And it's time for you to read the rest of the post, retard-kun.

>Because Steam does not (and never did) demand exclusivity from developers
They were the only game in town for many years. They didn't do because they didn't have to. Let's see how morally superior they are when Epic, Google, Microsoft and Amazon start chipping away at their market share.

How is that relevant to Steam having exclusives?

Reminder that devs are bought-out enough so that even if the game is shit and doesn't sell, they don't drop dollars. Therefore it's perfectly moral to pirate their games.

Steam doesn't have exclusives with the exception of their first party games. The games on Steam may be exclusive to Steam, but by no means are developers obliged to distribute it solely with Steam. uPlay inclusion in Ubisoft games is a perfect example that Valve doesn't give one fuck.

Origin has older BF games that are listed on Steam and they have newer ones that aren't. Valve gives no fuck.

So does Google, Bing, and every other search tool on the internet.

Not using the Rebinder is pleb tier, and Ice is dope as shit for managing emulator libraries (it’s external but it uses Steam’s custom shortcut tools)

Are you too young for AMD vs Nvidia war?

>Why is it considered okay for games to be Steam exclusive but not Epic exclusive?
To be fair it's also okay for games to be Origin exclusive.

The major difference here is you're talking about a publisher getting exclusivity through the hard work of their own studios.

If Sony suddenly opened a PC game store and it had all of the Naughty Dog stuff and nowhere else did, nobody would complain about it.

Epic has the double problem of being a subsidiary of China, Inc. Americans (and more and more Europeans and Africans) have learned not to trust China.

>makes a reskined megaman that sells 300 copies
>gets a job at capcom

why is that shilling user mad?

The stuff after "Plus"? That's all irrelevant to the question I asked you. You put your biggest point forward and it flopped.

Steam, as far as we can tell, hasn't paid for exclusivity. Doing that would be equally garbage though.

>morally superior
My issues are very practical, namely Epic is more expensive and offers far fewer features.

>Other things are spyware too so it's OK when Valve does it!

Toady needs money for American healthcare and Epic just ain't good enough for that

This is the equivalent to a PC console war.

Nobody wants multiple stores and launchers, it's as simple as that.
From corporate perspective it makes every bit of sense to try and push your own platform so you can avoid paying 30% cut to Steam, but from customer perspective it's annoying as fuck, and as far as I'm concerned they will have to do a lot more to convince me than bribe some literal who indie developers for exclusivity.

So far both Epic Games Launcher and Origin made it easy for me to avoid them since they only released trash exclusive on them.

I'm a heavy Steam user who likes the random indies that pop up here and there, but I hate Steam.

I also consider myself a man of justice, and when I see a game I wishlisted sell only 300 copies... what do you want me to do? What Steam is doing to indies right now is bullshit.

Steam should be like 2009, 2010, where only curated indies like Braid made it on.

In my ideal Steam, games like Tayal would be allowed and it would sell 30,000 copies.

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If Valve doesn't get any money, it is not an exclusive.

All exclusivity is paid for you goddamn mongoloid. Every publisher and every dev wants their games on as many platforms as possible, the only reason they wouldn't want that is because their either paid or financed by a company in exchange for exclusivity.

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Just let developers realize that getting a better cut doesn't necessarily mean you're selling the same numbers as you would on steam. EGL is just some shit that people have to turn on to play Fortnite for most of the people who use it.

lol. The info the "chinese spy tool" was gathering was from steam itself. The same information they use to get publisher and developers to use their platform.

Epic didn't do anything but give a cheaper alternative to the mass of publishers and devs. Even cheaper for exclusivity in the same way Steam does kickbacks to keep an item of GoG or similar.

I'm glad you agree. So back to the main point, why does Steam get a free pass for its exclusives? Oh, I know, because you're a mouth-breathing fanboy lmao.

>That's all irrelevant to the question I asked you
It's not, you're just too dumb to understand the connection it appears. Steam not enforcing exclusivity directly leads to cheaper games. Go read it again, then again and again until you understand.

Those were funposting, like the 'Atari is back' threads
Nobody actually supports AMD

>Steam doesn't have exclusives
>The games on Steam may be exclusive
What?

Which is the fucking terrifying thing about all of this. We were supposed to be the answer to the console war, not a victim.

not to mention it got posted on Yea Forums quite a bit in its early days, and as the second-fasted board received a ton of exposure from that alone

Impressive mental gymnastics, but false nonetheless.

To be fair that's because people like me buy it on both platforms.

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Hello Zoomer/Kike

can you point out where and when steam paid for exclusivity?

Hello Faggot/Nigger

>a decision made out of varying choices that will gladly host you
>bribing and locking out every other choice

guess which platform is which.

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Alternatively, we're just being even better at it than the consoles. Like we are with everything else.

^:)

hell even origin exclusive indies had EA money and support while being developed to the point of even giving guys like based shaking man a spot on the mainstage of E3

how fucking bad do you have to be that EA has a better indie policy than you?

Reminder that Epicucks will never have an answer for why this is okay.
hint - because it's not

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They don't have exclusivity rights negotiated and contracted. They may be exclusive to Steam, but they are not Steam exclusives (due to Developer/Publisher failing to offer other means to the consumer)

>Walmart is the only shop in a small town
>WTF THAT'S NOT A MONOPOLY
-Steam drones

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answer this, retard

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can you point out where and when steam paid for exclusivity?

People like you who don't understand anything but somehow still have an opinion are ruining this country.

If Steam has exclusivity it's because their near monopoly on the PC digital market and the creators of the game doesn't have the resource to port it to consoles.

Where is gog galaxy and the discord store in your pic OP?

>tfw between the multiple launchers and the unstable hardware prices the pc gaming market will crash in 5 years tops

And they said the console wars would never come to pc.

My response is: I hope you don't use Google, YouTube, facebook, post on Yea Forums or use Windows 10

Oh wait, you're doing one of these right now

All of those just sell keys to Steam - feeding into Steam is not competition.

>They may be exclusive to Steam, but they are not Steam exclusives
What kind of mental gymnastics are you trying to pull, son?

there are no steam exclusives

You already know what he means, but since you asked anyway, he's referring to how Valve has no exclusivity agreements. Developers are free to sell their games wherever and however they see fit, so if a game is only on Steam, it's because the developer chose to not release it elsewhere, usually out of laziness, rather than a deliberate attempt to lock down the title by Valve

>feeding into Steam
oh yeah, because giving Valve zero dollars and zero cents is totally feeding them

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i assure you, on your perfect steam that game wouldn't be allowed in.

Nope, not how it works.

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Steam doesn't moneyhat devs into making their games exclusive.

Origin only has EA games, it's not the same as steam.
And we do complain when a game was only on steam and not on GOG.

Even Steam drones in this thread admit they won't use Epic Store because they've built their whole lives around Steam

What are you a tobacco advocate? "GET 'EM WHILE THEY'RE YOUNG!!!1"

>other immoral companies do it therefore it's okay when my precious underdog company does it
retard

He's saying
>ackshually
>technically
>on paper

He's a RAW fag not a RAI fag.

>how fucking bad do you have to be that EA has a better indie policy than you?
>how fucking bad do you have to be that EA has a better indie policy than you?
>how fucking bad do you have to be that EA has a better indie policy than you?
>how fucking bad do you have to be that EA has a better indie policy than you?
>how fucking bad do you have to be that EA has a better indie policy than you?

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>grow the biggest
>still don't impede on anyone's choice of platform to sell their games on
MEANWHILE
>We'll give you 6712995 yuans to be us
>cool cool how about other platforms?
>ONLY US.

Steam exclusivity is a result of them monopolizing the PC market, it's not an intentional exclusivity because it was basically synonymous with PC. Now that Epic is starting to gain foothold pretty much every game on Steam will eventually also be there as well, they're not intentionally withholding their games from other services it's basically just the fact that having it anywhere else was pointless for years. Let's rephrase, all exclusivity isn't paid for, but intentional exclusivity definitely almost always is.

Nah it would. I could easily see a Steam run by me that allows quality hentai games, but bars out garbo like Rape Day.

They can't afford to.

Huh, so there is a catch after all. Guess Steam aren't the good guys all the drones make them out to be

This is a weird chart because state universities aren't private employers.

discord.gg/Ut6PZPJ
lol

Whatever you say Chang.

ITT consolefags trolling pcfags with easy bait and also that one epic shill who can't stop using the same copy/paste spam he's been hitting this board with for weeks.

>how many games have you bought on the developers website?

fractalsoftworks.com/preorder/

what the fuck are you even talking about
did you really just run out of Steam :^) before you even try?

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He literally has a script to follow user dont worry about him, he probably gets paid to post that shit despite knowing it's retarded.

>Steam exclusivity is a result of them monopolizing the PC market, it's not an intentional exclusivity because it was basically synonymous with PC.

Steam drones are pathetic retards and won't understand your point my man

They will go

>BUT DID STEAM PAY URF DURF

And to that I say: Half Life 2 is a paid for exclusive, paid for by Valve to make Steam look appealing.

You're a fucking retard. You need to work on your Spanglish. They're exclusive purely by technicality, as a product of dev/pub failure to increase accessibility. Not because Steam wrote up a contract to beg for their support, not because Valve strongarmed them into the store with dubious agreements, not because Valve subsidized their development cost. All those latter examples would be traditional contextual examples of exclusivity.

I’m sad Aztez hasn’t sold more than a few thousand copies but you don’t see me shilling for the Chinese about it.

>Steam
Devs put their games there knowing that it's consumers current preferred store and that it's where they'd get the most sales, expansion into other stores is restricted only by costs and time exceeding benefits and not through not legally being allowed
>Epic
Pay devs so much money that they don't need to sell a single thing, probably half ass the rest of the game as a result.

FPBP
Alone that their launcher scans not only Valve's directions but also your user data on all drives is a big red flag.

Because Steam has no exclusives. I do not need to use Steam to purchase a game. I can even get Half Life and Portal from elsewhere.
I can buy games from official third party sites like GMG and Humble. Steam would be necessary as a game launcher, but nothing else. For a "monopoly", Steam actually invites competition.

Epic and to a lesser extent Origin and UPlay, they usually deny their games being sold anywhere else. You must use their digital store to get the games on their platform. Despite claiming to be "competition", they do not want anyone else offering a better service along with the products they sell.

Does your brain short-circuited trying to twist the word "exclusive" into "not an exclusive"?

DELET THIS

Why would you install chinese spyware onto of EA spyware?

Remind me, why is it immoral for a company to pay other companies for their work?

>devs selling their own game on their own storefront is a pay-for exclusive

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Thanks, added to my wishlist

But there are always weak people like you who will do nothing when injustice arises.

>That guy got a job at capcom.
Fucking nice.

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>game drives 12 copies on Steam
>dev asks for 10,000 keys
>"wtf why are you saying no :((("

They paid to make the games. Are Nintendo games not Nintendo exclusives?

They're only exclusive because the developers don't feel like using Epic or Origin. Valve does not pay for exclusives, they are just the market leader.

Its a simple yes or no answer user, there's no "but", its either an exclusive or not. Deals or without deals, it still an exclusive

>Game is only on Epic
>I don't want to use Epic
>I can't play the game

>Game is only on Stean
>I don't want to use Steam
>I can't play the game

I genuinely don't see the practical difference between the two

>UHM BECAUSE IT IS WRONG, OKAY
-worships Raimi's spider-man, a property SONY didn't make

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Because you smell your finger after wiping your arse and the toilet paper tears you shit sniffer

ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID

If a game is made by their own sweat, blood, and tears, then sold on their own market, that's entirely moral
If you offer a dev a big fucking paycheck next to a contract that says "don't go fucking ANYWHERE ELSE you little bitch you are only allowed on MY STORE"
that's obviously immoral

>blaming the consumer
Isn't this one of the first mistakes taught into business management class?

>Nah it would
So in your perfect Steam, Valve wouldn't allow 546168 indie games on it, but it would allow that one indie game that you like. Keep dreaming.

What “injustice”? It’s sad that people didn’t give Aztez the time of day, but God Hand was a commercial flop too. Sometimes good games fail to gain traction. It’s not a storefront’s responsibility to make games a success, and by your logic Epic is guilty of the same crime because I can’t buy Aztez there at ALL. Where’s the million dollar bribe for Ben Ruiz?

At least Aztez is available to buy on Steam, that’s more than I can say for Epic.

UUUUHM BECAUSE YOU SHOULD WANT TO USE STEAM BECAUSE ITS BASED AND REDPILLED BASED LORD GABEN AHJXUCZUXZCHUZXCHUHXCZXCHUZXCXC XC X

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>only shop in a small town
But it isn't the only shop and nobody's computer is only capable of running fucking steam.

Are you? You seems to think exclusive have many meaning

Do you feel the same when Netflix buys a film at a film festival? Or is it solely driven by games fanboyism?

I like lots of indie games, and unlike you, I can tell which indies take no effort

You're the kind of chink who can't tell the difference between soul and soulless things

>game is purchased exclusive by epic
>only reason it's on epic and only epic is because they paid the devs for it
>game is on steam
>game is probably on other shops or the dev for some reason just really likes steam

The moral action is offering no competition to an established demi-monopolized company?

The streaming market is not competitive, so yes, I do.

This. Netflix has bought up movies that didn't get theatrical distribution and would have gone straight to video or something - movies they didn't make

Is this okay?

I'm not mad over epic games store anymore Yea Forums. I don't know what happened.

Warning: food analogy
What you're saying is the equivalent of saying "wtf that's total monopolization what do you mean I can't buy a whopper at Wendy's"

Maybe i can help, what are your reasons for not using either Steam or Epic?

>Game is only on steam
>Ask the developer
>We're here by choice

>Game is only on epic
>Ask developer
>We're here by contractual obligation

>DO YOU LIKE NETFLIX
No? Not to mention, the fact that you are going to completely different industries to find a fucking parallel really cements what a fucking autist you are, you have made daily threads for weeks and you still can't make a single good point despite this being your entire life's purpose right now.

Because Epic is paying for direct exclusivity, some of said exclusive products had this decision brought up very late into development, which has understandably annoyed some customers. The idea of having to download more DRM clients is annoying.
And personally, I hate Tencent.

>>game is probably on other shops

That are a feedback loop into using Steam like Humble Bundle - god just shut up, Valve drone.

>>We're here by contractual obligation

A contract they signed and they were paid handsomely for - unlike Steam where Steam drones consider it lucky that your game sold 300 copies.

>UGH PHOENIX POINT IS JUST AN XCOM CLONE - IT SHOULD SELL ONLY 100 COPIES I AM THE BASED AND REDPILLED STEAM USER WHO DEEMS INDIE GAMES WORTHLESS BUT WILL PIRATE THEM ANYWAY

Your argument makes zero sense even disregarding the food analogy.

They're both based in the US where the US government likely installs spyware to track foreign users.

It's not okay but with the track records each company has I'm going to stay with Steam until leaks come out that everyone's information is being harvested by EGL
if that doesn't happen I'll be fine cause honestly video games are on the way out at this point

corporate greed stifled any creative input and they're all boring bland repeats of other shit that sells well

>The streaming market is not competitive
Like video games digital store?

Yes, actually. I resent Hulu for buying my favorite shows off Netflix and I resent Netflix for responding with more “original programming” exclusives in kind.

There was a glory era back before everyone cancelled their cable subscription when you used Netflix for everything. Now you have to use a separate aggregator app to find the shows you want and use it to launch Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime/HBO Go/etc to watch them.

And it sucks.

It sucks dick.

Fuck you for trying to use the shitty, god-awful state of streaming video to justify Epic attempting to do the same to my games library.

>THEY ARE ALL STEAM CONTROLLED
Just because some of them offer fucking steam keys doesn't mean they are branches of steam, you retard. That's purely a consumer convenience. Steam isn't being subsidized by the keys other shops sell.

Most Steam exclusives fall into two categories:
>They are made/published by Valve so it makes sense that they would use their own platform to put the game on PC, or
>They use some integral part of Steam's services (steamworks, VAC, workshop, etc) so the developer would need to replace/remove the features in order to circumvent Steam in one case the game is using Valve's property and part of the licensing requires them to stay on Steam
The rest of the exclusives simply chose it as the platform to launch on but don't really have much tying them down to Steam.

>Blaming valve for devs and/or publishers not bothering to put their third-party games on other online stores

Go fucking bitch to them instead of valve. Valve so far has jack shit of an obligation to pay third-party companies to lock games to their storefront. Unless they start caring about that you're complaints means nothing.

>Handsomely paid for
Developer wins, publisher wins, customer losses

HOW WILL EPIC SHILLS RECOVER TELL ME
KILL YOURSELF

>they were paid so it's okay

Because Steam has been around since forever and is pretty much everyone's main client, people got pissed at origin and uplay the same, the difference here is epic might actually have some good games

No one cares about your faggot launcher Tim, people are just annoyed you keep making these dumbass threads.

Do tell which indie games you like. Also
>chink
How the fuck do you think I'm a chink? Because I don't think some indie game looks good? What fucking logic is this?

valve doesn't pay for exclusivity, publishers are free to release their games wherever else.

Is it also immoral to take the paycheck? What if they happened to like the deal?

>customer losses

They can just wait the year to buy and play it

Yes? I care more about devs being paid than I do about having to use another program

It was better before Netflix came along and HBO/Showtime/Cinemax had everything

Why are you obsessing so hard over le 300 copies sold meme? Some games just don't make it, regardless of storefront. Do you know how many fucking games on Xbox Market or PS market sell next to nothing? For every game that sells next to nothing you have games like Risk of Rain, Immortal Redneck, or Deep Rock Galactic that sell handsomely.
No matter where you go, your sales will always be somewhat of a gamble.
I will tell you, what Epic is doing with paying devs a hardy amount UPFRONT is very nice, but eventually it's going to stop being profitable. They'll either start cutting costs or stop the upfront payments altogether.
If this was their selling point, that'd be fucking amazing for devs, and that'd be legitimate competition.
However, when they start closing the walls around the devs and saying "you're not allowed anywhere else", that's when it's a fucking problem.

>Epic china bringing console tier cancer exclusivity to the open PC platform
nah boy i'm good you can have your fortnite and china gov spyware

Not in the media industry.
Actively blaming the consumer has seemingly become the new hip tactic.

Steam "exclusives" can most likely be picked up at another place, meaning it isn't exclusive.
>but alls those indie games
Wouldn't even exist without it, and leta not pretend tiny indie games that sell a hundred copies is the matter of subject here.

Funny how this article pointing out Steam is spying on you is completely ignored.

There is some real shitty trolling going on in this thread. Put in some fucking effort guys

Also Epic and their store will never be better until these things are changed
>No cloud saves
>Only basic controller support
>No modding platform
>Ironically, actual Chinese customers can't buy games on Epic's store
>No Linux support whatsoever
>No free key generation for publishers to sell to third-party distributors which will result in competing prices (and it won't ever happen given that someone directly asked Tim about this and he dodged the answer)
>Scrapes your Steam data without your permission (which is a violation of GDPR) and claims that it's for if you ever want to link friends lists even though Epic takes all of your games played data as well as your wishlist too (and other things)
>Instead of using its vast Fortnite money to directly fund new studios and produce new games that wouldn't have existed otherwise, Epic moneyhats already existing games to take them away from other storefronts
At least another storefront like GOG provides something that actually benefits consumers through their DRM-free games. There is pretty much no advantage to using Epic's store over Steam or Origin

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>games are exclusive to Steam because they choose to for the art man not for the money they're passionate about only supporting the monopoly it's a decision they made it's not that they'd probably prefer to actually have a choice
Maybe Steam will start to give a fuck about devs and their consumers if they actually got some competition. Why do you want Steam to be the only option?

Publishers being paid*

I don't believe you. An indie lover wouldn't be shitting on itch or GOG so hard, especially not so focused on something like epic.

But I'm game. I bought rainworld, baba is you and hypnospace outlaw based on the passion of user. Sell me on this lost treasure, and say one more I've missed..

I want to play Train Simulator without a Steam account as I don't want intrusive DRM with mandatory online just to play my game.

>inb4 hurrr durrrr who even cares about linux

you might be seriously retarded

>Also Epic and their store will never be better until these things are changed

A lot of that is already in the cards

As for you Steam drone, Epic could invent a dick sucking system to VR games exclusively through their storefront, and you wouldn't use it because you're a STEAM DRONE

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Valve doesn't pay devs money to make games Steam exclusive, Epic does.

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I'm pretty sure they'll address most of those things in due time

I get you are literally autistic and cannot even mentally acknowledge the points everyone is making in this thread, but I hope the mental anguish caused by everyone mocking you will eventually break you out of your obsession.

you realise it was 15 years ago?

>user reviews
Suddenly this will seem like a good thing to Epicucks, just you wait.

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Tayal isn't a lost treasure perse, I haven't played it. It's just a game I had wishlisted

But it's clear there's a problem with the store when a game can only sell 300 copies.

maybe you will fuck off finally and tell your employer to stop shilling this garbage store
why do you want to ruin pc gaming?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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>A lot of that is already in the cards
Anyone can make a Trello and throw out date estimations. If you have an idea about project development you would know those estimations are horseshit and will likely fall behind. Also
>6+ months for a shopping cart

but steam doesn't HAVE exclusive shit that isn't Valve's own shit...?

WHAT????????

So what's the point? They want Steam to have competition but they don't want the competition to actually try to bring users over to their service?

It isn't, all exclusives are cancer. System parity on non-exlusives is also a disease that needs to be cut out.

You've literally shown me none of the three things I've listed.

>hey guys, here's a game that we made! Thank you for your support, here's the places you can get it!
>some people who have waited for it buy it
>some people get interested and buy it
>some people get interested but decide not to buy it or buy it when it's on sale
>some people pirate it

>hey guys, we made this game but it's only in this one place because we got paid to fuck over everyone who supported us in hopes that you get options where to get it! ...But here it is!
>people get pissed
>NOOOOOOOOOO BAD CONSUMER
get that rod out your ass and stop eating your pets bugman

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>I'm pretty sure they'll address most of those things in due time
Key generation sure as shit won't, which means enjoy paying full price for all new games always and only directly from Epic

Yes, so handsomely that the devs of that game decided to straight up tell their kickstarter supporters that they would still be in the green if all of them refunded.

Steam ruined PC gaming

You should know that Steam didn't have a lot of its best features until 10 years later, hell, even 14 years later.

Going back to my old Steam reviews, the feature was added in 2010, and you could only leave positive ones

Complain to the devs to release on GOG then. Steam will not intervene

It's the way they make the exclusives.
See Metro Exodus.
Valve is a huge steaming pile of shit, don't get me wrong.
But it's like choosing between cancer and AIDS

>buying

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Well glad to know Epic is competing with the Steam of pre-2010 instead of the Steam of now

The most retarded thing is the developer opt in reviews.
>inb4 the majority of steam reviews are memes
While true, it is still a generally good idea to let the consumer let other consumers know easily how the product functions.

what about this?

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>they want steam to have competition
It has competition
>but they don't want the competition to actually try to bring users over to their service?
Purchased exclusivity is the death knell of PC. Once all the storefronts start to step up to divide up 3rd party, it's going to be as terrible as the streaming service situation. Everyone needs all of them if they want to watch anything.

They have some games with heavy steamworks integration like Civ 5

this shit is old as (you), fuck off chink

There is no such thing as a Steam exclusive except Valves own games retard

That's exactly incorrect in this context. Developers can distribute keys themselves, developers can distribute the game itself. They can market it themselves. They chose not to.

>>Purchased exclusivity is the death knell of PC.
>Digital store fronts like Steam are the death knell of PC

This splintering is the future, and you're already seeing it with digital streaming services.

The problem with that logic is, if they are going to make a client designed to compete with Steam, perhaps they should have these functions working from the get go before moneyhatting developers.
Its essentially saying "hey we literally have no reason for you to use this at all, but you have to use us to play this now!"

Analogy:
The Epic store is a situation where the US government is forcing you to use their service for internet, there is no possibility of accessing the internet (Legally) through any other means, and have eliminated competion via buy-out.

The Steam store is a situation where the US government are offering the (Currently) best internet speeds in exchange for spyware, but have not eliminated competitors.

>complaining that Skyrim is casual
literally who does this, if you didn't see it coming from Oblivion and don't choose to instead focus on what it did right, you're just fucking retarded

Yea Forums is filled with Valve drones.

This was more obvious years ago, its not so much obvious today because Valve dont make games anymore, but Yea Forums used to shill the absolute fuck out of Valve as the single greatest developer of all time. Yea Forums still has its fair share of drones as you can see in this thread and thats literally the only reason they support Valve over everyone else.

Steam is a nice distribution platform but the lack of competition is objectively bad for consumers and I am glad Epic is trying. In the long run if 30% of games were on Epic and 70% on Steam it would be far better for everyone, or even better yet 50/50.

Origin can go fuck itself though, but thats because EA are dogshit cunts.

>just use the garbage in hopes that it may one day be good instead of just using the good thing
Simply epic, bro

>Launch with all the features but no games

Uhm, you realise how stupid that sounds? I think a store with GAMES is what matters, not the features.

I use Steam too, drone.

But it's not the same because having multiple streaming services requires multiple subscription fees, while buying games from multiple services only requires you to switch between .exes. Also the result is them competing for your, yes your, service which in turn will result in cheaper games and better service in general.

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Show it somewhere on reddit it is where the steamdrones are spawning from.

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holy fuck this is old. This is so old I'm convinced Google does hang on the absolutely every piece of data.

I would much prefer going back to 2005 when we had to deal with our desktop being flooded with 40 different .exes.

What I wouldn't give to see a release of old time steam alongside bloatware steam so I can play my games without all that useless shit loaded in without a choice option.

On PC, exclusives are fucking retarded.
The only reason you would ever make a game exclusive is to force people to make an account for a certain shop.
Which is reasonable to do for Epic, EA, Valve, CD Project, Microsoft, Google and Apple.

For fuck's sake. Make your games DRM free, sell them on your own website, and every fucking other platform.
That worked out for fucking Minecraft of all things, despite being run by a fucking retard.
If he was able to pull it off, fucking everyone can pull it off.

Lmao didnt china ban valve and other key words recently

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OH HERRO EPIC
HOW MANY DORRAR U GET FO SHIRR?

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>account sharing
You don't need account sharing in ES because all the games are DRM free, retard.

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>but the lack of competition is objectively bad for consumers and I am glad Epic is trying.
Valve's seemed to be doing just fine improving Steam overall without all this 'competition' from Epic. Controller support is constantly updated, Proton is a thing, and Valve is putting out a new multiplayer API to make it exceedingly easy for devs to set up dedicated servers through Valve. Also how exactly does Valve compete against purchasing of exclusives outside of doing the same itself, something fucking nobody should want?

Both versions of that image are retarded, hope this helps.

They don't have a monopoly on shit. Go read up on monopolies and abstract Steam's model.

-Charge service
-file serving
-store front
-community

All of these exist outside of Steam. There are dozens of different pay services offering numerous different models. File serving can be satisfied by AWS or any other data center. Storefront can be built in a day by a webdev, doubly so with community, you're also free to post threads on Yea Forums and start a Subplebbit.

>Purchased exclusivity is the death knell of PC.

No, Valve's neglect of Steam and indifference to the PC market is the death knell of PC. A middle-man taking a huge cut, flooding their store with low-quality crap and refusing to support by spending any money or providing any marketing support whatsoever saying it's "not their responsibility" is what will kill the PC games industry

And that's the reason people are taking Epic exclusivity. Epic will guarantee revenue and marketing support when Valve will do fuck all and watch your livelihood sink and die. Fuck, look at how quickly they abandoned Artifact to show Valve's callous indifference - they simply don't care as long as Steam prints money.

Yeah, remember when the US banned pg1vTBU9fvuKq2x?

Imagine how much more improvements they'd make if they actually had to work for your business.

Games matter, but without the features that have become standardized by Steam and other clients, beyond this payed exclusivity, what exactly is the appeal to downloading this?
What would make you decide to buy a non-exclusive game off of Epic rather than Steam, or GOG, or Origin, or even Uplay?

As a horsefucker i take offense to that image using fanart compared to an official post.
They could have at least used the unicorn hat.
The pinkie thing was fun to watch explode though.

i thought you had common sense but i guess not.
>box art support
while not the traditional vertical rectangle all steam games require the horizontal rectangle this is debatable but whatever

>release date support
pic related

>patch notes support
steamcommunity.com/app/548430/allnews/

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Dude you nailed it.

If Steam is the shepard, they're letting so many of their lambs get eaten by wolves

>the splintering is the future
Futures usually aren't supposed to be fucking terrible.
The epic store scraping your shit should open your eyes to just how awful having to own every store will be.

Im sorry user but if you dont have the education on why basic competition is good I cant be fucked explaining year 12 economics to you. It is NEVER acceptable to have a monopoly and Valve's hold on PC distribution is objectively worse for all consumers.

Epic already offer more money to developers and keep less for themselves. If they take off Valve will have to match or beat them, thats competition and its good. As well as all the other advantages that competition entails.

I hate epic store with the fiery hot passion of a thousand suns but them not having all that useless bloat is a good thing.

But there's no amount of improvements that can be made to stop Epic from buying exclusivity, so Epic 'competing' by just buying exclusivity doesn't encourage Valve to continue to improve and innovate in the features since it doesn't matter

>Valve's seemed to be doing just fine improving Steam overall without all this 'competition' from Epic
Valve has done fuck all to Steam in half-a-decade, it's stagnated to all fuck.

Wow, they integrated a glorified joy2key, introduced (then abandoned) a big-screen mode, and did a few Wine patches. Glorious Steam fucking master race.

steam exclusivity is a result of:
A) valve having made the game, but even then, most valve games are not exclusive to steam either
B) the developer did not care to go to another store
C) nobody else wants the game on their store

neither case is morally objectionable, unlike what epic is doing, but you could argue that, if nobody else wants the game, it shouldnt be on steam either.

>Valve's hold on PC distribution is objectively worse for all consumers.
>Epic already offer more money to developers and keep less for themselves.
I'm not a fucking developer or publisher, I'm a consumer

"Monopoly" is a fucking meaningless word with a fuckton of meanings and you can make almost anything a monopoly depending on how you want to word stuff.

I mean, I hope everyone agrees in 2019 it's insane that Microsoft was almost broken up because they dared to integrate a web browser into their OS.

>Also the result is them competing for your, yes your, service which in turn will result in cheaper games and better service in general.
Except that's literally the opposite of whats happening.
The epic store is a worse service and has resulted in more expensive games.
Non-retards could find cheaper prices in places other than the main store fronts, those are removed due to exclusivity.
>using hollow knight images to shill for epic.
You disgust me on multiple levels.

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>library sharing
>uselss shit
its nice having all of my games at 50% discount permanently

>Open up Steam
>I see a metric fuckton of shitty games flooding the store
>Open up Epic
>Every game is on average better quality than the average of Steam
To be honest senpai Epic are going to win this on quality alone. Im so tired of seeing greenlight shit.

That is basically the application requesting information you'd find in the properties window of a folder
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/ifs/irp-mj-directory-control
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/ddi/content/ntifs/ns-ntifs-_file_full_dir_information

>Steam is a monopoly

It's a goddamn market leader, not a monopoly. If Steam were a monopoly then Origin, GOG and uPlay wouldn't be able to exist

might buy it
looks interesting

don't need a cart when you have no games :^)

Reminder that Steam:
- Allows devs the option to sell their games on other platforms
- Made linux gaming not a meme
- Made PC gaming not a meme
- Allows you to sell in-game shit for more Steambux
- Backs off from shitty decisions immediately (see: paid mods) instead of just waiting for backlash to blow over
- Allowed indie devs a platform to exist and thrive on (in most scenarios)
- Has a forum (Blizzard is the only other launcher that I know of that has this) to allow you to connect with indie devs easily
- Automates 90% of non-dev-related things for their indie developers, including but definitely not limited to easily-accessible online multiplayer
- Also IT DOESN'T BUY EXCLUSIVITY DEALS
There's lots of other things but you faggots won't even read all of this anyway

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Because Gabe (allegedly) answers to every email you send to him. It proves that STEAM GUD EVERYTHING ELSE BAD ESPECIALLY EPIC

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This will be hard to admit but you're a valve drone who is completely biased and nothing you say is of any value what so ever.

Imagine being so fucking biased you actually think monopolies are good.

what are you talking about you one digit iq nigger? do you even know what drm is? epic store has it too
how does it justify not having any or having drm with the game not being able to family share

Then you're a faggot and nobody will ever really bother buying or supporting your game. Consumers should always come first and foremost, and if a launcher is ONLY catering to devs, why should the consumer give a shit? The dev gets 20% more if you buy the game on EGS, yet the consumer can get the game for up to 100% off through third party key sites and trading on Steam, so why would any not retarded consumer choose the former over the latter other than "support muh hard working devs ;("

So you're mad that people are less willing to put up with garbage? In 10 years when the Epic Store finally catches up to where the Steam Store is now they'll still be way behind, maybe one day my children will see the Epic Store actually present a real challenge to Steam dominance, I can't wait

Do you think Epic will start to buy exclusivity from every publisher? That would be unnecessarily expensive and in many cases there's no guarantee for them making the money back. They're doing this now because they need Steam users to come over and use their service, same reason they're giving away a game every two weeks, they won't be doing that forever. It's basically incentive for people to try the service.

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But who are the wolves if Steam is the shepherd?

I don't give a fuck about the Epic Store or whatever.
I started using Steam because that's what you had to use years ago for Half Life 2.
Then they expanded the platform with more games, holiday sales and yadda yadda.
I don't really care about a new store coming up with exclusives, but i'm sure mad that they PULLED games from the Steam store only to make them exclusives on the Epic one.
That's just stupid, it's scummy shekelgrabbing tactic at literally the last moment.
I routinely buy any discounted game on any store, because i like videogames and having so many stores doesn't bother me as all those programs are pretty small in data size and they're easy to use- save for Origin.
Origin fucking blows ass.
As of today the 20th of March 2019, there aren't games on the Epic Store that i'd like to play or buy.
Once they release new games, holiday sales and more features, i might start using that shit.
Until then, Steam is still the best store on the market.
Eat shit and die, Tencent.

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Customer indifference.

Tayal WOULDN'T have made it onto steam if it was still a curated storefront, idiot

You're technically correct but Steam do operate a quasi-monopoly because they are so popular and people would rather one service than two, even if two or more is actually better competition and consumer friendly wise.

Epic is the first store that isnt either pandering to a minority (GoG) or peddling their own product (Origin/uplay). The product of Epic is games that would normally be hosted on Steam.

I'm not really that concerned with Epic, it's you who's shilling for a singular service. I want any service that's not Steam to actually give a go at providing some actual competition, Epic is the only one right now that actually has a shot. Right now the only games I have on Epic are the ones they've given away for free.

Bad games (wolves) eat space of the good sheep (good games)

>Do you think Epic will start to buy exclusivity from every publisher? That would be unnecessarily expensive and in many cases there's no guarantee for them making the money back.

Epic's likely put aside hundreds of millions to the side for buying exclusivity to try and get their store on the map. They made goddamn $3 billion in 2018 mostly from Fortnite

Are there steam exclusive games?

Sure. But WHY.

They work with AA studios. If you look at their store, its filled with smaller AA games except metro and ubisoft titles.

>- Made PC gaming not a meme
I feel old.

How bad is everyone's discovery queues that they get shovelware?

>too lazy of a nigger to click on interesting titles
>excluding the fact that steam advertises new releases on the front page
What's with these chink retards cherrypick so hard? Is it because being unbiased proved that EGS is nothing more than scam spyware that had 0 benefit for the consumer?

>every publisher
As many third party publishers as they can manage, yes. There is no reason for them to ever stop buying exclusivity.

>but i'm sure mad that they PULLED games from the Steam store only to make them exclusives on the Epic one.
Yeah, fuck developers getting more of the money from the games they created. Valve needs the money more than A/AA developers anyway I mean they only have over 3 billion dollars and an infinite cash cow machine which is run by a skeleton crew of 300 for a company of that value.

Valve should honestly get a 50% or more cut, I mean they host the games they wouldn't even get sales without Steam.

Fucking moron.

>They're doing this now because they need Steam users to come over and use their service
And its a bad model.
Getting people to come away from Steam is going to be a difficulty regardless, but there should be more incentive to getting behind your featureless husk of a client than actively targeting developers for contractual exclusivity. Thats just pissing people off.
There is no benefit long term in doing this, not in an American market where consumers are basically getting blowjobs from Steam and GoG, nor in the foreign market where taxes can and will be applied to EGS.

>epic store has it too
eu.alienwarearena.com/ucf/show/1974272/boards/awa-on-topic/ForumPost/gog-vs-epic-games-store-is-drm-free-the-future-of-gaming
oneangrygamer.net/2018/12/epic-games-store-features-refunds-no-drm-88-revenue-share-hand-curation/72936/
techradar.com/news/epic-games-store-vs-steam-battle-of-the-online-stores

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Is portal 2 considered casual? It’s not intense but I nevertheless considered it casual. It just hadn’t simple controls of move, jump, left portal, right portal.

Pro-tip: Average people with lives aren't going to go through a "discovery queue".

The 2000s were a dark time for PC gaming and the glory of the 90s was never coming back

customer looses by choice
the epic launcher is free to download and install

but what does that make epic? the shepherd who locked his sheep into the barn?

It is still scummy to say you are releasing a game on any platform only to pull it away and put it somewhere else you strawmanning faggot.

Its pissing you off because you're a moron. Those developers picked Epic because they make more money and the fucking platform charges less. How horrible, actually making a good profit which can be used on making more games instead for knives for Gabe's collection.

Competition is good.
But this is not good competition.

>How about making their platform relevant you stupid shit?
You gain relevancy by providing better deals and service. Even if exclusivity wasn't a big deal, Epic is still searching every single thing related to Steam, from screenshots to personal data that the official Steam API never discloses.

>announce that game is coming out for steam/gog/whatever
>lol, jk guys epic gave us a billion dollars so i guess we're only releasing it on EPIC
>but worry not, we're offering refunds :)
>what do you mean people are mad about our sudden, unnanounced change? fucking entitled customers

I mean we literally have barns and fences for farm animals for a reason.

Because Epic fucking came out of nowhere, no shit some games would migrate to a better platform if it came around.

And its not a strawman at fucking all. Steam offers better marketing, Epic actually gives you more of your own money. Its a pretty simple calculation to do in your head to figure out which platform is better for you.

I don't get why it has to be said yet again in this thread to you, but thats not very pro-consumer for something thats allegedly supposed to be a "consumer beneficial" competitor.

Metro Exodus has Denuvo, retard.

Also you know, Epic takes a smaller percentage of the revenue so you know, publishers benefit from having their games on Epic.

Bungie did exactly that with Halo, nobody cried like a bitchy child.

yes, epic store games are protected by epic store DRM you stupid fucking nigger
you still didn't answer why it justifies not having account sharing because of it
simply kill yourself

>streaming service situation
First time I heard this and this is a good way of explaining why I don’t want people to buy exclusives.
Want to watch something? It’s only on Hulu. It sucks.
If Sony makes a Parapara the Rapper game and keeps it on PS, Halo is kept on Xbox, or Zelda is only on Switch then fine. But I don’t want 3rd parties to be stuck.
Besides, Nintendo did a “2year only on NES” thing in the NES and many people didn’t like it because they wanted to sell their games on other consoles. It’s shitty back then, it’s shitty now

Because it wants to verify the existence of these folders? Any sane programmer would make sure they are working with a folder that exists before trying to do so.

And it's not unreasonable for pc gaming applications to automatically scan your system for games/programs you've got, nvidia geforce experience and discord are two programs I know do this as well

The whole situation can be resolved if you put it up on the Epic and Steam store, not pulling away from Steam to make it Epic alone.

See Oh boo fucking who so at the start of releasing Epic some games migrated. That sort of shit isnt going to happen frequently in a few years even if Epic is popular because developers will just outright say "Fuck Steam, Epic is a better product for us" or if Valve are actually competing "We picked X because they offer a competitive product"

This is my Steam front page. It literally shows me one new (early-access) game.

People defend this.

>Steam offers better marketing
Reminder that Valve actively tells publishers and developers that they don't do marketing.

So their main advantage is one that Valve completely wash their hands of and leave developers and publishers on their own to deal with.

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Maybe because Valve isn’t paying to keep games exclusive to their platform like Epic is.

>Bungie did exactly that with Halo
bungie never announced Halo 3 for windows
>nobody cried like a bitchy child
how old are you?

steam just sounds cooler than epic

simply die
I can't believe retards like you exist

Do you not want to click the arrows there to show the other dozen featured and recommended games based on your library preference that will scroll by
>n-no because I'm a retard and that will prove you right
That's what I thought, kill yourself faggot.

you can hide games with certain tags retard

You're an inbred fuck that is absolutely completely uneducated on the subject.
The Epic Store didn't suddenly sprout out like a fucking mushroom, i'm fairly sure the CFO of all those companies have been talking with each other for months, possibly years, to discuss exclusives and whatso.
It pisses me off, if you wanted your stupid game to be on the Epic Store you could have just released it there instead of baiting millions of steam users at the very last moment, literally 3 weeks before you game is released, then moving your game on the chink store with a "lol apology" retarded message about how you are baawaa ;_; sorry about it.
That's bullshit.
Steam has shit split for developers?
Ok, state pointblank that you're going to release your shit game on the Epic Store, instead of changing your way literally 3 weeks before it releases, fucking up people who preordered the game or just bought physical copies.
Fuck you and people like you.
You are the reason Idiocracy will be reality in less than 15 years.

>epic is a better product
More like "Epic paid us more directly in return for this contract". Store exclusivity doesn't benefit them at all.

Sorry that no one wants to ask Tim Sweeney anything because there's nothing interesting about Epic Games after they dropped unreal to milk Fortnite harder.

>why it justifies not having account sharing
Because you don't need to launch epic games launcher to play them and therefore don't need a family sharing since anyone can play installed games you dumb nigger.

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>You are the reason Idiocracy will be reality in less than 15 years.
woa this guy reads books

>Because Epic fucking came out of nowhere
No, it didn't.

Good luck out there bud, you're retarded.

>you'll get lots of marketing if you choose to do lots of work to see lots of adverts!
great stuff, thanks valve!

Oh, and most of it early access.

The Steam store, especially the front page, is indefensible at this point.

Literally who is saying this you retard? The only thing people are getting pissed about is Epic throwing money at publishers to get exclusives, nobody would care if metro was on both stores

oh really nigger
start listing those games I can launch without Epic china launcher that are on Epic china store, I'll wait
still doesn't justify not having family share by the way

>Companies shouldn't try to mak a profit!

>lots of work
Literally clicking the "See more" button. The digital storefront exclusive of turning your head slightly at the supermarket.

haha
steam and the odd indie game that got lucky have been carrying pc gaming on its back for a while

It isn't. Every PC game should be available in steam and in GOG. Nothing less, nothing more.

Literally nobody would care about Steam if thjere was actual competition so games were available on multiple storefronts.

>don't criticize companies taking actions that disadvantage you as a consumer because it advantaged the COMPANY
>just consume with the knowledge that they have slightly more money in return for you inconvenience!

But the games ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE ON MULTIPLE STOREFRONTS.

>of course developers would go back on their word for more money, did you think they had any integrity?
You're right, most devs would sell their own mothers for a nickle. The question then is, why would a consumer ever care what is better for a developer? Steam is more consumer-friendly, why would you ever switch online stores to buy a game made by a bunch of skeezy kikes?

This is right
Games being in multiple store fronts so the consumer picks the store with the most benefits is good

Games being bought out so they are only on a single store suddenly without a previous a announcement is not

>start listing those games
ok

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Fine, launchers w/e. If there was actual competition then features sets would improve. Steam is a fucking mess with a horrible UI and a disaster of a store which is slowly killing PCgaming.

I'd love to see the alternate universe where steam didn't become dominant, so there would be less f2p, no loot and gambling boxes, no pc region locking, pc games weren't flooded with shitty russians, console manufacturers didn't kill their crtification requirement so no games shipping broken with day 1 patches etc etc,

I think it's fine that in all honesty. Its the fact that they say that and keep the prices exactly the same that bugs me. Epic store claims to be cheaper, but it's literally the same price that steam offers when you look at games both platforms have.

Steam is not bribing people for exclusivity.

> no one wants to ask Tim Sweeney anything
He answers on reedit or twister.

what ok ?

start listing the games

that I can launch without the fucking launcher

Instead, they use their de facto market-domination to force exclusivity, and then mandate that publishers match sale prices on Steam with the threat of being pulled from the service to ensure Steam gets their oversized cut.

the only mess is your awful assortment of terrible and nonsensical so called arguments
stop posting your drivel any time

It isn't and doesn't. It's rigorously defined. Steam if anything is the controlling entity of an oligopoly. Competition doesn't exist in these sorts of markets, prices are elastic so they jump back, Price increases lose customers, cuts create pricing wars.

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I just don't want yet another company to sell my data to Overlord Jinping.
Is that so wrong?

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Steam's feature sets HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY IMPROVING.
Steam didn't cause
>F2P
>Loot/lootboxes
>russian flooding
The most you could argue is that steam popularizing digital distribution slackened certification, but that's still the fault of publishers, not fucking digital distribution.

>buys game on Steam
>nothing personell kid
I think I prefer the separate store for separate games over being gypped like this. Every time I launch trials, I have to have both Steam and Uplay running.

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>Force exclusivity
???
>Mandate that publishers match sale prices
???????

What the hell are you on?

You know you say steam is that but I'm not seeing steam being used as an example, faggot.

forums.snapshotgames.com/t/some-clarifications-on-the-epic-deal/2973
:^)

You are fucked, they already know about your steam friends and all porn games you played on steam. Look here %programdata%\Epic\SocialBackup

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cool proof retard

imagine, actual epic shills

end your worthless life and never post here again

>Steam's feature sets HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY IMPROVING.
They really haven't. It's worse than consoles these days.

And, yes, Valve did popularise all those things. TF2 was the first western game with loot box microtransactions.

Yes, I know, you've been a PC gamer for 2 years and have 50 games on your Steam account so you know all abvout the "PC master race", but adults are talking.

Go do some market analytics for free and come up with an all inclusive list of global businesses that fall under the definition of "oligopoly".

Stupid faggot.

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>1. Phoenix Point will be DRM free. The Epic store client does not require an ‘always on’ internet connection. This means that you can download the game and play it, even if you uninstall the Epic client.

What else you need?

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It's easier to show the games with big pics when there are only 5 on your whole store.

No, it's a design choice. Steam's front page is a fucking mess.

that's not true
you don't need steam at all
you can launch that game from uplay just right

>force
You're a moron, they a have a choice to release it on another store/retailer, release on their own storefront, or release without DRM at all but they chose steam not out of obligation but because they are aware that it has a community of potential buyers.

You don't just get to fucking insist that the definition applies to a company you don't like, especially not if said company is never referenced as said definition outside of your own autistic rants.
>first WESTERN game
Arbitrary fucking distinction, you cunt. I know you aren't some PC oldfag, because nobody would support the continued erosion of the PC marketplace like you are doing now.

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>literally 4 days ago
absolutely btfo

Yes, such a huge difference. So confusing.

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Why would spy software explicitly declare that it's a social data taken from that particular steam account?
Now I understand that its just badly designed algorithm.