How did The Flood survive the firing of the Halo rings?

That's generally what the Covenant do. They usually only go with ground combat when the planet has insane orbital defense or has forerunner artifacts that need to be reclaimed.

Essentially this In First Strike it was established that Reach had Forerunner artifacts on it and the covenant were actually digging through the planets surface to find them while also glassing parts of it.

Halo 1
>Spark: Fire the ring please.
>Chief: No.
>Spark: >:(
Halo 3
>Chief: Fire the ring please.
>Spark: No.
>Chief: Yes.
>Spark: >:(

Who the fuck writes this shit?

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>why not put the shield generator inside the shield

Static energy saturation. Unless you want to fry everyone inside the shield.

if only we had technology to automate and remotely control equipment

He destroys the incomplete ring at the end of Halo 3, he doesn’t fire it.

So why didn't they make it so it killed everything made of spores instead

What, like nerve gas?

Clearly because they couldn't find a way of totally killing it. The only method was starving it. if they'd found a way to specifically nuke the flood biomass, they would have used it already.

I dunno lol why didnt cheif just shoot a load of nukes at the bad guy and finish the fight instantly

Didn't they change the canon?

I recall in CE it was that the Halo rings killed the Flood's food but then isn't it like 2 onwards that it kills the Flood AND its food?

killing spores is extremely easy. you just have to dehydrate them. using an aerosol with .01% hydrogen peroxide is sufficient

Forerunners kept samples on each Halo ring for studying.

Chief fired Installation 08 complete confirmed by Bungie back then.

he kind of did considering the gravemind was holding the idiot ball with an iron grip and took his ENTIRE FORCE to the ark instead of leaving even one spore or something in the solar system

They were stored on rings for study. Its retarded but it is what it is

Yes, in Halo 2 and beyond, Halo kills everything including Flood.

*completely

Then that creates the plot hole of the Flood still existing after the Halo system was fired in the past.

why

...

>tfw this lightbulb is still alive
what the fuck

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Science user! Science!

So, the Flood itself is a parasitic disease. It can't survive without a host in the early stages. The Halo effect destroys the nervous system of that host. The Flood cells remain fine, but the host and infection form are completely inoperable. Halo rips out the steering wheel.

In later stages when the Flood is able to produce pure forms, its using collected biomass to build these pure forms. Nerve tissue, calcium and the like. The Halo effect again, destroys the nervous system leaving the cells but rendering it completely immobile until it wastes away from natural decay.

I and some other guy already explained it Because they were still looking for that fake cure.

So the Forerunners really were human ancestors.

As of Halo 2, Halo kills Flood so it could act as more of a reset button every time the Flood get too out of control.

nigga i dunno

I get it was meant to kill The Floods food, but why didn't it work? There are still Flood billions of years after The Forerunners fired them

Forerunners kept samples.

Not really too crazy considering even the deadliest diseases are usually kept in science labs today.

What a stupid thing to do. They killed themselves but saved the Flood.

They really wanted that cure.

What part of Halo 2 says that the Halo's kill the Flood as well?
The Gravemind survived. Spark even says that it only killed the hosts and potential hosts at the end of Halo 2. Where are you drawing this from?

please, dont shake the lightbulb

>Weapons of last resort, built by the Forerunners to eliminate potential Flood hosts, thereby rendering the parasite harmless.
>After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died, as planned. Would you like to see the relevant data?
Halo only kills Flood food.

Why didn't they just make weapons to kill the flood?

They probably couldn't.
>After exhausting every other strategic option..
Yeah, they tried everything in a thousand year war and the best chance the galaxy had was to wipe it and restart.

Flood is a god, a sacred specimen, it would be silly to try and kill them. Obviously, that is the reason why the forerunners would rather kill all sentient life instead of the flood.

Why did they ever use the Spartan project when they developed the mech suit from Legends that managed to fuck up an entire platoon before self destruction?

uhhhhh

Former Bungie employees, the Gravemind didn't survive it was created after a failure in protocol on Installation 05 years after Halo's firing because an unknown species, not humanity or Covenant released them which allowed them to spread as badly as it did over the years.

Bungie retconned it in Halo 3 to kill all Flood because for them Halo 3 was the end.

Because they wanted to sell videogames where the players could be super soldiers.

Spartans are more efficient and the mechs have their own issues like the Prototype one killing the user.

The whole "Halo kills the food thing" always reeked of bullshit to me. If you can kill it's food specifically, why can't you make a machine that kills it specifically. I instead interpreted it as it kills everything organic in range.

As for why the Flood still exists, the forerunners kept some alive in containers on the rings and other places for study. The reason is that it came from beyond the Galaxy originally so they feared if they wiped it all out they would have no defenses against a future invasion. This way, they can study and hopefully cure it.

They did but they did too late.

This

>tfw no Armored Core/Halo crossover where I can reap entire battlefields of covenant scum
It makes no sense that this thing exists in the same world as that clunky mech in 4. I thought Legends was canon?

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Its 343 Canon, not Bungie Canon.

The Flood are a bunch of dipshit aliens that turned themselves into puppy chow because they were seething that they somehow lost a war against a species that logically should have had no chance against them
Past humanity fed them to their pets for some reason causing them to mutate into crazy OP zombie monsters

Shit like this has existed since Fall of Reach.

it's a videogame, that's how

>Halo Wars tells us the UNSC encountered the Flood before Halo 1 but everyone fell asleep and couldn't get the word back to humanity

What the fuck is 343's problem?

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>This way, they can study and hopefully cure it.
but they killed themselves to eradicate them so how did they plan on studying them?

could I get a fuckin quick rundown of what shit is Bungie canon and 343 canon? (besides Halo 4 and 5 obviously)

What the fuck is the point of ODST?

what? is that canon?

fucking stupid, literally fanfiction tier if true

They saved samples of every species in the universe they could find,

They activated the ring killed everything and then after firing they launched those “seeds” to their respective planets.

This is how humanity started and how the prophets got technology quickly. For some reason the prophets landing ship was still there so they learned it’s technology and began conquering other worlds earlier then everyone else.

Because this son of a bitch was the Administrator AI that controlled and maintained Forerunner weapons platforms and warships. Once infected with the logic plague he turned everything off and gave Flood complete access to all Forerunner ships and weapons.

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Bungie had 2 more games in their contract

It was some political bullshit the forerunners had that made them think that A.I. was better than weapons and instead of treating the Flood like a war force they treated it like a disease.
But then the A.I. got infected and made the Flood become overpowered precursors.

This,

It’s called the fucking “arc” for a reason.

Guess they should've had the Didact digitize them all.

God Halo 4 was an abomination.

To give us a perspective on what it would like to not be a super duper soldier and just a super soldier. I really wish they had got rid of the shield system instead of just reskinning it, could have made for a much more vulnerable feeling.

343 autism comicbook where UNSC ship scoops up Sparks little bits that are somehow magically still alive after being both incinerated by a Spartan Laser and blew up with the 00 Ring firing.

Reminder that the novels established that the Flood is literally the angry magic ashes of the Precursors

They keep Small Pox alive in Utah, you know.

ODST aren't super soldiers. Also biggest fucking false advertising ever
>trailer shows Rookie hiding in dark allyways from Brute patrols implying big stealth
>lmao it's just carbon copy Halo 3 gameplay

At the start the forerunners thought the flood was just a disease until this event happened. Then they took them seriously and started to realize they made a big fucking mistake not dealing with it sooner and it was already too late.

So this is the power of anti-vax...

343 fanfiction autism isn't canon.

Alright, people need to understand something about how Halos work. They literally run on space magic called neural physics. This is kinda hard to explain, but its basically on a conceptual-level attack on anything that the universe itself considers 'life'. In Halo, everything is tied together by neural physics and abstract concepts that, if destroyed by a Halo radiation burst, literally crumbles into dust like the Thanos snap.

It DOES kill Flood spores, because those are all linked by the collective neural physical concept of 'the Flood'. The ones that survived were usually in stasis when the burst hit in isolated Forerunner research labs and stuff like that.

L i v i n g T i m e

N e u r a l P h y s i c s

we star wars now

do the halo rings fire beams or is it just like a massive radio wave emmiter

holy fuck that's my favorite childhood character

finally i know how my father feels seeing all these bullshit remakes of movies he grew up with

i haven't been this angry over stupid shit in a long time. thanks user, fuck you, but thanks.

Well canonically they aren't but in ODST they play exactly like a spartan sans equipment. It pains me so much that we didn't get a gritty super stealthy halo. I remember feeling immense sorrow when I was going through new mombasa and saw a hunter patrol, and thought "oh if I throw a grenade over there they'll go check it out and I can sneak by" and when I threw it they responded to my pulling the pin and opened fire on my hiding spot. Didn't even program in basic stealth apparently.

I always assumed it was some sort of electromagnetic-rescue pulse that fries your central nerve system. It thus starves the Flood

this, the rings are a thanos snap which is why the flood remained dormant just about everywhere until someone or some cosmic event metaphorically unthawed them

This sounds like some warhammer bullshit, is there an article I can read about this?

That mech suit was a one of a kind prototype they were working on before the Covenant showed up and they had to destroy everything per Cole Protocol. If the Covenant had never stumbled onto that particular planet we probably would've seen them go into mass production

The Forerunners never planned on going down with the ship. It's why they built planet sized bomb shelters with the Shield Worlds. The plan was to fire the Halos and wait till the Flood starved off to reclaim the galaxy, but this fucker here threw a monkey wrench into everything and they had no choice but to exterminate themselves along with the Flood.

Based hunters laying down the fucking law

They left the Monitors and other automated machines to study. As for what happened to them after Halo, nobody knows. Maybe some survived and fled the Galaxy. Maybe some are in stasis. All I know is that 343's material is fanfic.

Originally the spirit of fire got infected and Serena drove it to a nearby star.

>they play exactly the same
That's because it's a carbon copy halo 3 clone that didn't even bother changing the powerlevels to fit the character. ODST will not have Spartan Level aim on the move, and they most definitely will not kill Brutes with a fucking gravity hammer that will snap their arm bones from the backforce.

Creates a sphere of energy that's a good hundred lightyears across that kills off anything inside it. They spread out the seven or so Halos so that when fired they covered the entire galaxy

They had prototype Halos that were directed energy weapons, but the Flood fucked them up because they subverted the AI that was in charge of running them. So the new models were basically just a panic 'fuck everything' model that fried everything around it and they amplify each other so while one Halo going off might kill everything nearby, all of them going off at once wipes out everything in a local cluster.

There is a cool segment in the books where they are about to fire the Halos and time is literally breaking down because they were getting reports of it going off already and people dying before they even pushed the button because of FTL-causality fuckery.

see It's been retconned by 343 from some kind of (implied) deadly pulse emission that disrupted sentient life (source: The Flood, William C. Dietz) to Precursor space magic that surrounds us, penetrates us, binds the galaxy together. You know, The Force.

That always bothered me, in one of the VidDocs they said they removed the energy sword because it would be unrealistic for an ODST to wield one and yet they can still use a gravity hammer with the ease of a spartan? In what universe does a hilt that projects light beams become more unwieldy than a warhammer made for literal super gorillas? At least ODST had a great aesthetic and OST, hopefully once we get a PC release someone will do it justice and add stealth elements.

Because you're trying to apply logic to a space opera setting. But in that case what advantage does a space ship have against a ground base defense system? I would say landing on the ground is the only way to take a planet, as movie and video game logic about glassing a planet seems unlikely. Would be pretty easy to build a couple power generators, hook em up to a few gun and shield generators comparable to anything found on a warship, and then, using the ground as a heat sink, proceed to out shoot anything spaceborne.

The articles are boring, honestly. I recommend the FOrerunner trilogy. The first one is alright, the second one is awful, but the third one is awesome and basically goes full Warhammer cosmic horror.

Ffs, the Flood is just the thing controlling the host. Like a person controlling a car. When the Halo ring fires, its rips out any possible means for the Flood to control the Host. So, when the ring at the Ark fired, it killed the hosts leaving the flood to decay unable to move or do anything. The lore surrounding what the Halo's do has never changed.

>Have this level of tech
>Can't bioengineer a plague to eliminate the flood
>Can't just make a nanite swarm to disassemble any and all flood matter into component atoms
Lazy fucking hack writers.

I mean look its bullshit, yeah? But you could fathom an explanation, ever wielded a counter-weighted sword before? Super easy to cut your own shit up if you try to get fancy with it.

An energy sword would be like that on steroids. We're used to being cautious with things that have substance/weight on a primal level, when things are imbalanced, especially if you're talking about a 4' long weightless blade, you can quite easily make a mess of yourself.

See
Really fucking hard to do when your administration AI is sabotoging everything and giving the parasite all your warships and weapons capable of destroying entire cities.

The Flood has been autism'd by the stupid ass hard sci-fi books called the Forerunner Trilogy and 343's own fanfic tier writing.

They're not just a plague anymore. They're some kind of neuro-physical construct, which in 343's Halo universe means that they exist in the realm between thought and space. They're literally a reality bomb with massive psychic power.

You know what, I'd take that as a genuine excuse. Still annoys me that gravity hammer went untouched though, no way in hell would an ODST be able to run around with one, nonetheless swing it well.

>they exist in the realm between thought and space
What the fuck am I reading?

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The Flood are literal space Cthulhu monsters that exist beyond our reality, user. The spores and infection forms are basically tendrils the collective Flood 'gravemind' sticks into our dimension as fleshly computers that lets it fuck with reality when it gets powerful enough. At the end of the Forerunner war with the Flood, they couldn't even fight back with their ships anymore because the Flood was rewriting physics so that their weapons wont fire and their AIs were being driven insane.

Yes, I know this is kinda stupid, but the writers wrote themselves into a corner and needed an answer on why the Forerunners would lose.

What? It's kept there for study on more immunization techniques you autistic retard.

look up Living Time, if you want me to defend this shit, i ain't

343 butchered halo and shat in the ribcage

The alternative is a hammer that produces forces to send cars flying. Absolutely no fucking way a normal human can use that because one swing and the aftershock force will snap your arms like chicken wing bones. An energy sword would be way more believable for an ODST to use.

this, see neural physics, living time, and the Domain for more info

Gravemind is, yeah, essentially Yogg Sothoth now

It's cool on paper and by better writers who want to delve head-on into abstract concepts like FTL-casualty manipulation and hyperadvanced AIs like Ian Banks with the Culture, but 343i doesn't have the talent to make it work in Halo.

read about the Precursors

I don't know what the fuck is Bungie's canon and 343's garbage fan fiction anymore

>neuro-physical construct
they are a nerve construct? so a brain? and physical means existing in the realm of everything else. i don't get it.

In Halo, the universe is 'alive', so there is an underlying conceptual layer in reality that connects everything like neurons in a brain.

Hence, neural phsyics, where powerful entities like the Flood can tape into this and essentially think things into reality like their spores or manipulate the laws of physics.

I explain exactly what that means in the Halo Universe in the following clause and literally everyone in the bottom half of the topic is discussing neural physics in the Halo universe.

How are you struggling?

>Just read the Living Time summary
Best way to erase information you just learned from your mind forever? Will drinking paint thinner do it?

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>Precursors creature Humanity and Forerunners
>Precursors say that Humanity should be the only ones to get their technology
>Forerunners being the dicks they are kill all the Precursors
>Precursors become this angry dust that humanity later finds and uses as a drug
>the infected later become mutated and then spread like something from Dead Space
>Forerunners get infected and humanity stupidly decides to nuke them along with their own
>Forerunners get mad and wipe out and devolve humanity back to earth primates
>Forerunners way later get hit by the Flood that is more evolved
>make stupid A.I. countermeasures
>the A.I. gets infected and the Flood evolves back into Precursors and uses megastructures to fight the Forerunners
>Forerunners use the life suicide rings
>Flood still survives on their worlds and research facilities
>Humanity finds the flood on one highly infected planet and wipes it out via supernova but never lets the rest know
>Humanity later finds The Flood while escaping from the Covenant

Create*

>is Yogg niggerlover now
God ehy are Eldritch fags such autistic speds latching onto everything? Can we not have something that isn't tied to the faggot H.P lovecraft who shit his pants when he saw the ocean, never fucked his wife and wrote an essay on how Cats who shit inside the house are pets for high IQ people.

That’s kinda interesting. I wish 343 had done a story about that instead of muh evil Cortana

yeah i can see it having decent space in the books but now 343i is using it as license to bring a bunch of space magic into the games, totally missing the point.

the whole point was young races growing up in the skeleton of a god, receiving instructions from their ghosts, and the interplay between that grand tragedy and the banality of fighting off the same misled religious zealotry humanity has dealt with for centuries. not forerunners with force choke and godlike Flood or Marathon AI taking over the universe.

No matter WHAT 343 did they would fuck it up, they are not competent across any creative undertaking

>calling anything Lovecraft niggerlover

Man that list of factoids you picked up from your irrational contrarian hatred of easy reference points for a shared domain of discourse would probably land better if you didn't lead by shooting your rationale in the foot.

Think of it this way. The Forerunners didn't 'kill' the Precursors anymore than a video game enemy 'killed' a player in a video game. They, like real life players, exist beyond the reality of the Halo universe and saw what happened as interesting.

The 'dust' are just programs they left behind to keep tabs on things. Over time, they got bored/angry/whatever and decided the Flood was more fun because they wanted to just fuck things up.

Humanity is nothing special at all. They were never chosen over the Forerunners, that was just propaganda to justify the 'genocide'.

i'm not struggling, it's the term that doesn't make any fucking sense and there is absolutely no connection between the term and what they describe with it
here's some neurophysics en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurophysics
halo really went off the deep end

just go watch Star Wars and pray for a crossover episode

Yeah, we all know what neurophysics is in reality. Your flex just isn't interesting. That's why it was explicitly described in Halo terms and has been several times. Everybody thinks its stupid. You're playing at DK effect here, you think you're a step ahead but you're behind everyone else.

They built shield worlds to hide in but it didn't go as planned, most of the Foreunners died off, others left the galaxy, and others may be in stasis somewhere the only thing left of them is the ruins they left behind and their archives of what came before.

cringe

Just to fulfill a contract, that's why ODST and Reach don't matter and can be ignored since they serve no purpose in the series.

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>yfw living time is the gimmick of infinite

The problem with Halo suddenly trying to go hyper-advanced sci-fi is that the setting was never designed for it.

Spacemen with assault rifles makes a good fps game, but you can't justify their existence in a setting dominated by hyper-ai that can think at FTL speeds and control fleets of warships that number in the millions and have the firepower to casually destroy solar systems.

>I wish 343 had done more space magic like the Didact

yeah, no. I'll take Halothon 3/5

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Yeah man, completely agree.

The games have changed to reflect that too. You really do feel like just a little, irrelevant set piece in a universe far beyond your control. It's not fun or interesting as a player, and even if it were, it wouldn't be what we came to love about playing the chief.

Reminder that the Forerunner trilogy is the best part of Halo lore despite written in the 343 era

Spores are more resilient than cells. Halo impulse able to obliterate the spores would easily destroy all cellular structures as well.

Well the Halo rings themselves are something only a type 2 civilization can make so you'd need to make them bullshit.

Because it wasn't finished so firing it would break it, and the autistic lightbulb ree'd at the idea of losing his shiny new ring right after getting it back.

>once you control orbit, you've won.
then why do people live on the ground and not in orbit?

there are so many obvious and nuanced corrections to your retarded misconception, not just about the value of ground but also about the value of controling the orbit, that it is not worth wasting time on it.

they are pretty interesting and if it hadn't turned the games into slop by giving 343i license to make weird, massively-scaled space operas out of a sci-fi shooter, i'd be fine with them

wish they'd been written sans branding desu

What I don't get about 343's nu-halo is how did the UNSC magically fix all it's problems after the war? Shouldn't they be facing almost total government collapse? They've lost all their bases, all their warfleets and all their weapon platforms like the 300 MAC platforms defending Earth. I can't even imagine the ecenomic damage the Covenant has done to the UNSC alone. Not to mention all the refugees stranded on Earth that most likely had their colony only bank accounts completely destroyed with no job or savings living in shit FEMA camps. There should have been like martial law in Earth to ensure continuity of government as the colonial refugees with nothing to lose get more and more violent disenfranchised that their "saviors" are doing nothing.

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Guilty Spark had a hard life.

yeah but it was all old bullshit with younger but still old brainlets stuffing square pegs in round holes attempting to commune with the gods

now somehow the forerunners are back running around using telekinesis, human AI has become a galactic superpower, and the precursor's notions of living time and neural physics are turning people into digital space ghosts

Nah, the Halos themselves can be scaled to any technological tier as long as you don't get to Culture-level civilizations, which is what 343i tried to do.

They had a big baby boom after the Human-Covenant war that didn't really end at Halo 3. These new baby boomers also reached adulthood in 4 years instead of of your average 20 or so years.

I wish the series had just died after Halo 3 and continued on in the superior novels but we live in a worse universe than the halo one

every big menace in fiction has obvious and ridiculous weakpoints that make defeating it easy unless you simply explain that there is no explanation, like lovecraftian horror, or when the menace came to be through a social conflict.

Via 343 lore humanity became the most powerful species in like 5 years and now dwarf everyone militarily despite only having maybe a dozen systems left, no fleet and a good portion of the sol system being devastated. it's completely nonsensical.

They probably just follow the Republic style politics down to a tee.
And as long as a Republic is at war and doesn't get outright defeated they will maintain order.

meh sounds like it was mostly post-war politics, we're allied with the sangheili, who still controlled a good number of the covenant ships

the brutes have always been prone to self-destructive infighting. grunts and jackals are literal whos. and sanghelios is engulfed in civil war.

who else would there be?

>worse universe than the halo one
true

>There is a cool segment in the books where they are about to fire the Halos and time is literally breaking down because they were getting reports of it going off already and people dying before they even pushed the button because of FTL-causality fuckery.
Sounds epic, link?

How the fuck would that even work when means of production have been destroyed, they've lost ALL fleets and only have three frigate ships and majority of Earth has been destroyed like all of North Africa, Cuba and Cleveland. If anything the 10 years should have been the UNSC desperate to keep continuity of government as there's more and more open revolt of everyone sick of the inaction and horrible living quality with shitty rations, power outages and being poor not launching their BattleStar Galactica magical superpower ship.

>then why do people live on the ground and not in orbit?
M8 you re severely retarded. The real reason as people have stated before is because they don't want to accidentally glass forerunner tech, so they launch a ground invasion so they can properly search the planet surface

Pretty sure this was the Halo wars 1 studio and bungie fault. How did 343 had anything to do with them making a campaign for halo wars 1

>prophets
They didn't split into factions, they had the greatest understanding of Forerunner technology (which humanity surpassed in a year or two somehow, no, the Prophets were not hamstrung by religious dogma) and strong fleets not to mention spartan-tier supersoldiers
>sangheili
Covenant ships are still worth about ten times their tonnage when compared to human ships (Infinity makes very little sense since it's apparently superior to several CSO-class supercarriers) and since humanity's fleets were wiped out you'd imagine even a single splinter faction in the civil war would be stronger than combined humanity.
>jackals
They may be separate, but they have a ton of lighter ships like frigates. They were also the most independent-minded Covenant so they were best prepared for the dissolution.

I mean the Flood is on it's way to self destruction anyway.

They'll consume everything in the Universe. Then what? Nothing to eat. Will starve and die.

Well 343 clearly doesn't want to explain how humans are staying afloat besides they're fighting the good fight so lets just think that humanity has some kind of super special cloning factory somewhere for making enlisted soldiers.

>It pains me so much that we didn't get a gritty super stealthy halo
ODST XCOM STYLE SOON

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They move to a new Galaxy, just like how they got here in the first place, ignoring 343's autistic fanfiction obviously.

They don't need to eat, their goal is just to subsume everything into one existence of greyness and misery so nothing can overtake them. At that point physics are their plaything and they can subsist far into universe that has experienced heat death.

It's near the end of Silentium, the last book of the Forerunner trilogy.

Well those retards very clearly overlooked such critical plotpoint to where they re-wrote le Infinity from being their Battlestar galactica fanfiction to a fallback plan incase the Covenant discover and destroy Earth so the UNSC would still survive and Humans would be homeless vagrants drifting far away from Covenant forces.

In fairness, EVERYONE was fucked over by the war. When the Covenant broke apart each member species lost the support of everyone else so they were left pretty much on their own after centuries of holding each other up. Only one who conceivably held on to power were the Elites, but ONI stoked the fires of a pro-Covenant rebellion on their homeworld while the UNSC poured resources into building the Infinity and starting up the Spartan IV program. In the end both species were on roughly equal footing, but it was a quantity vs quality kind of deal. I'd put my money on humanity winning if they ever went to war again, but that's something neither species wants

The reason humanity bounced back in a short time period is because its HUMANITY, the special snowflake race in virtually every single sci-fi story? I mean this is like asking how could master chief btfo of thousands of covenant soldiers and never get injured once, because he's the protagonist.

IIRC Jackals had a decently independent government, they'd probably be holding up alright.

Elites still had a sizeable army and warships, the UNSC didn't. And instead writing sensible post-lore shit like violent colonial refugees and groups gunning to overthrow the UNSC and promise a better life it's just retarded msgic wand waving bullshit. What the fuck are Spartan IV's going to do when you have no way to manufacture and have lots of mouths to feed and house on Earth?

Jackals were more like bands of space pirates that were only tangentially allied with the Covenant out of a "please dont kill us" mindset rather than a shared religious doctrine. They were even known to trade with human colonists well into the war and after since they honestly didn't give a shit about any holy war. They just wanted to conduct business in peace

They were preserved for research by the Forerunners. That's how Gravemind ended up on Installation 05, there from the start (not as a gravemind though). They also managed to survive in some state on the Ark which was weird, thought they fired the replacement Installation 04 right next to it. Then again, Cortana said it doesn't kill Flood, just their food.

Yes it is.

Deal with it

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This exactly

The same reason I don't suck my own dick

Cringe nu-faggot shit lore.

Kilo-Five trilogy established that the Insurrection was all but burned out by the Covenant and ONI came down HARD on any remnants left over. Closest anyone got to taking down the UNSC was a single guy whose daughter was kidnapped to become a Spartan II that managed to swipe a Covenant cruiser in order to glass Earth in revenge, but ONI were onto him the whole time and it never came to pass. Bonus points for his daughter being on the spec-ops team that brought him in

Silentium Flood is fucking cool.

>single guy steals a covenant cruiser
What the FUCK?! First off how the hell did he manage to do that in the first place? Secondly how the fuck could he fly a covenant cruiser on his own when you need a whole team for that shit, I assume he wasn't familiar with covenant tech. This is like the equivalent of a guy stealing a state of the art naval battleship

>Humans and Prophets lived together 100,000 years ago and were more technologically advanced than today
>got buttfucked by Forerunners and de-evolved back into Caveman status

what the absolute F U C K is going on??

Plot armor

>Elites break away from the Covenant and help win the war
>suddenly realize how fucked they are since they spent the last couple millennia literally doing nothing but being soldiers so they had no one who could farm or build shit for them
Dumb xenos

But what the fuck? how was there NO ONE else on a fucking covenant cruiser, those things are huge, there's no way you just find one of those laying around!

Convenant ships were designed so dumb slave races can pilot them.

Anyone here can redpill me on the covenant species and their races.

Explain how it works that the elites in halo 4(and 5) changed their appearance drastically. Same goes for the jackals and grunts. I actually liked the idea of them having multiple races and thought their design was fine because of that. But when I saw that the arbiter's elites were literally the same as the storm's elites it really ruined the race thing and just showed them being lazy.

You have like 3 types of jackals too right? The reptilian one from 4 and 5. The bird one from halo 2 and 3 but what about the first halo game? They looked closer to reptiles and halo 4's jackal than the Halo 2 and 3 jackal. And of course the skirmishers but for some reason we have never seen them back.

>Sneak onto Covenant ship
>Find Captain
>Hey dude, I'm going to "hijack" your ship, so I can blow up Earth, what a tragedy right??? (wink)
>Captain- "Oh no I've been defeated, here's the keys, in fact I'll just fly it there for you and do it for you, totally was you hijacking the ship though :^)"

Forget the retarded insurrection there should have been people taking advantage of the post-war situation. The UNSC was at it's lowest, weakest point and there were millions of people at Earth with no savings, no income not even family with nothing to return back to. Could have been good opportunity to bring in some gommunism or corportist federation. So much possibilities yet 343 is retarded. A few Homes for the Poor and you'd have the first building blocks for an army.

good comparison. tell your mom i said to give you a good boy point

I like this explanation the most

Appearance changes are just that, appearance changes. They're presumably non-canon and just reflect the grafix/style of the art director of the time that particular game came out.

> made a weapon that kills everything except what youre trying to kill

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>Sneak onto Covenant ship
>Find Captain
>Hey dude, I'm going to "hijack" your ship, so I can blow up Earth, what a tragedy right??? (wink)
>NOW YOU'RE COMING ON TO ME?

They just change from game to game. Reach's Elites look different than 3's elites. Hell, in the first versions of CE Elites didn't even have four mandibles.
Jackals are the only ones with a subspecies, those being the Skirmishers.
Which, according to Bungie, somehow ALL died on Reach, which is honestly pretty retarded.

> A few Homes for the Poor and you'd have the first building blocks for an army.
Sorry buddy, but that plotline was already used in Bioshock 1, we can't be unoriginal now, can we?

He didnt steal it himself, he bought it from a Jackal pirate queen that stole it after the war. He got some buddies of his to act as a skeleton crew, and even got a full blown Engineer out of the deal as well, so keeping the ship operational wasn't that big of deal. Most he ever got to use it for was test firing the main guns from orbit since the Kilo-Five team were on his ass from the get go

Unpopular opinion here: the Halo series should have never included the Flood. It's the weakest plot element of the franchise and the lore is shoddily built around it. It should always have been about Humans VS Covenant.

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It's just graphical changes

The elites were practically in civil war mode when Halo 4 and 5 was happening. You have the Storm faction which is what we fight in Halo 4/5 that still believe the Great Journey, and then you have the other side which rallied behind The Arbiter which wants Elites to be free from the Covenant and make their race great again.

>you will never have the money or friends to commandeer a decomissioned war machine
Why even live?

christ this is so cringe, it reads just like fan fiction bios in a high school girl's notebook

Reminder Rookie was fucking executed with a bullet in the head by an Insurrectionist in a book that nobody read.

This hurts man.. it could have been amazing. I am pretty sure the jackals races are Canon but grunts and elites are most likely just art styles yeah..
All of them died on reach? Yeah that sounds stupid. Heard they lost too many during that war but jackals and grunts are fine for some reason. Elites kinda stayed them same in halo ce, 2, 3 and odst. In reach they fucked them up too.
Yeah I know. The storm were remnants or something that were waiting for Requiem to open up but 343 could have made elites that looked like halo 2 anniversary's for the sword of shangheilios instead they literally copied the storm elites which is retarded

343 Halo isn't canon. Move along.

shooting from orbit is easier than shooting into orbit. also a ship can fire from outside of a ground based anti orbital weapon's range, since any ground installations aren't going anywhere. that being said you're right that logic doesn't actually matter and what happens is what the writers think is cool And That's A Good Thing.

Sounds retarded.

How did the flood survive in delta halo’s quarantine zone for 100,000 years before the covenant and humans stumbled into them?

I mean, I don't disagree, but after what 343i did with the Prometheans.. Eh.

Plot

>unable to follow the braindead railroad experience that is Halo video game narrative
I've got some bad news for you, mate.

343's entire retarded space exploration isn't exactly original too but the latter would have been more sensible.

They have to make it easy to read because the majority of Halo fans are retarded.

New game: Say 1 (one) thing positive about 343's Halo.

I'll start.

Mommy Cortana

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I like chief and arbiters new armor

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. Flood are pretty retarded.

Imagine being this stupid.

>"lol, why invade on the ground? We can just BTFO of them with planes"

MCC coming to PC, AFTER FUCKING FOREVER FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!

Halo 4's Remix OST was pretty cool. This track was killer youtu.be/YsXZ9j4G3JY

You mean like what the US did with japanese mainland?

>there are people ITT that think this looks good
Big yikes from me

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>"kill off" Cortana while simultaneously confirming she wants the Master D like no one's business
>immediately bring her back the next game and make her a yandere psycho bitch with a God complex thrown in for funsies
At least she got a nice rack out of it

What do you expect from kissless incels who think saggy tits and buck teeth are attractive? Halo 2 Cortana is best Cortana anyway.

Isn't Cortana made with literally a piece of Dr. Halsey's brain?

Meaning that Dr. Halsey also craves that big fat John D?

Mantises were fun to use.

>Cortana: Hey guys lets take over since we already run literally everything
>Every AI in the UNSC save Roland: Ok
Dumbest robot apocalypse ever

The entire game is an Oedipus Complex.
Halsey is literally Chief's mom at this point.
Cortana is basically a "younger" version of Halsey with her son.
They wanna fuck like bunnies.

>tfw you realize Halo 4 Cortana is an expression of the game designer's mother suffering through Alzheimer's and dying

What the fuck were they thinking?

people finally realizing that the gameplay has always been shit

>Hey Roland, wanna go beyond your programming and violently take over the human race?
>No way, fag
Truly Roland is the broest of bros

Its stated that AIs that use flash cloned brains retain some of thier donors quirks but otherwise are an entirely separate person. Halsey was super motherly towards John but she never wanted to outright fuck him except in that one fan fic I read

>It's like asking why Muslims don't just nuke Jerusalem if they hate Israel so much
Is Jerusalem sacred to Muslims or something? I genuinely don't know about that

Jerusalem is sacred to all Abrahemic religions.

The Dome of the Rock is supposedly the exact spot where Mohammed ascended into heaven, and its literally built right on top of the Temple of Solomon that's insanely sacred to the Jews

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Eh, one of my favorite parts about Halo's campaigns is the multiple enemy factions. The levels where enemies fight among themselves. If you really need to get rid of The Flood, fine, but they'll need a replacement.

Like the prometheans?

My memory is a bit foggy, didn't the Prometheans join forces with the Covenant in 4? I didn't play 5

Prometheans didn't join the Covenant so much as strait up took it over since they're Forerunner in origin. The nuCovenant were stoked that they were taking orders from thier gods rather than the Prophets, and in 5 they were trying to make a comeback

The Flood ruined Halo since 1. What a shit enemy. Also terrible levels.

Most encounters were 3 ways at best, including the protagonist and his faction (on very rare occasions). In this case, it'll be easy: Player Faction VS Covenant or Humans VS Guardians (Sentinels, Prometheans, whatever the fuck)

>implying their introduction level in the swamp wasn't the most kino thing ever
I'll grant you that the Library was fucking retarded

Gameplay wise, the entire level was trash and probably one of the worst level in the game, if it wasn't for the Library that succeeds it.

They were fun in Halo 1 and 2 because they were basically zombies before zombies oversaturated the market.

Can't tell you how many times I got lost trying to get out of the swamp building. And the library is just one big time pad

They set up 6 to be a fight between Cortana's AI buddies vs everyone not an AI, so it remains to be seen. Honestly I want them to bring the Arbiter and his Sanghelli back into the fold. We've heard fuck all from the non-Covenant aliens since the war ended

There's at least a few things 343 did right about Halo. Specifically 5.
>Warzone, despite the stupid-ass lootbox system, is still pretty fun and deserves to be included in Infinite, albeit in a modified version that doesn't require grinding for lootboxes, maybe even incorporating aspects of Reach's Invasion gametype
>weapon and vehicle variants are actually super fun, especially in modes like Fiesta, and they allow for introducing legacy guns like the CE pistol and H2 BR, as well as vehicles like the Anti-Air wraith from H3
>Weapon sandbox in general is absurdly well-balanced, ARs can now compete viably at mid-range and BRs don't rule the entire meta like they did in 2 and 3
>Forge is fucking fantastic in terms of versatility and potential
Now if only the aesthetics weren't mostly shitty. Or the campaign wasn't absolute garbage.

>1
I might give you 2, but they were abysmal in 1. While the combat forms were decent, the flood carriers and the spores were extremely annoying. The way carrier exploded was very incovenient. For example, getting hit by a grenade, their body would all over the place and then, they would engage in their death explosion, extending how dangerous they are artificially. Combine that with how powerful grenades are in the game, carrier catapults were a real danger.

>Halo XCOM-style game
That would be a perfect match, fuck

The fact that Master Chief crushed and alien empire that was a tier above humanity shows that humanity was always deemed to surpass the Covenant in the future.

The flood were actually pretty annoying in 1, but their aliens-esque presentation and first level was 10/10.

That's literally the ending of Halo 4

They reversed engineer Forerunner tech.

They did, that's what the sentinels were

This

If it makes you feel better 343i decided that this was too good of a design and opted for the awful shit the mantis is

>no Flood
Would explain why ODST and Reach are the worst in the series.

To test out if the Halo engine could handle something like Destiny

>The Rookie
Who?

Halo 4's campaign and story was an improvement after 2009's and 2010's disaster, Halo 5's multiplayer is the most fun I had with Halo multiplayer since 2007-2009.

It pissed me off that the Flood never got a proper conclusion. All you did was kill the Installation 05 gravemind. There's still plenty of forerunner stations all over the galaxy that cat have flood infestation.

That's why Halo Infinite is bringing them back.

I agree. The point behind the sci fi was the mystery and excuse to design cool levels and maps.

All the details behind it don’t add anything to it, they only detract.

I honestly preferred when the flood were able to corrupt AI based off simple logical arguments

>gravemind will never again BTFO the libtard ais with logic and arguments

The mystery of the flood was ruined with the forerunner novels.

That's too interesting and hard to write for 343i

>Lord of Admirals

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Bungie actually went out of their way to say that Halo 3 was the canon look of the Elites and that the Reach elites were designed to be seen as they were at the time, These giant alien invaders hellbent on killing all humans. It's why they look more menacing in Halo: Reach

My nigga

So what's you're saying is that Bungie said Halo: Reach isn't canon, nice, I forgive Reach era Bungie now.

I still love that 343i never capitalized on the fan theory that Halsey was being framed as this terrible person by ONI and instead went full retard and retconned her into actually being awful.

We could have had a game of blue team going rogue and protecting Halsey from ONI

The elites appearance isn't canon in Reach

The Flood literally had control of "space roads" that were basically gigantic wires made of neural networks, left behind by the Precursors. These were virtually indestructible and numerous, and could slice Forerunner fleets and worlds to pieces in a matter of hours.

This is not to mention how once the Gravemind became active it was capable of corrupting Forerunner AI without fail and there was literally no way to protect against this.

Yeah that was fucking retarded. The entire canon paints her as someone that did bad shit because if she didn't do it, ONI would get someone far less caring and intelligent than her.

>The whole "Halo kills the food thing" always reeked of bullshit to me. If you can kill it's food specifically, why can't you make a machine that kills it specifically. I instead interpreted it as it kills everything organic in range.
The Flood at their most basic forms do not have neural networks. The Halo rings work by disrupting and disabling these neural networks. Flood Infection Forms require interfacing with the nervous system of a host to spread. Also, it doesn't kill EVERYTHING organic - bacteria and similar life forms exist untouched.

So I'm guessing the same situation for the Brutes too as well, huh?

Reminder that Reach isn't canon and is explicitly made as a fanservice game. Watch the credits.

Reach only changes dates that's all and the books have always been secondary canon

Remember when Stan Lee talked about Halo?

Don't forget that Reach can't be canon due to Installation 04 being located outside the galaxy instead of near the galactic center like in Halo CE.

Surely having them bounce back from a single molecule would severely weaken them since they'd have no genetic diversity to protect from disease.

>Halo array is designed to purge the Milky Way from sentient life
>let's put one outside the galaxy
I don't think that information is correct.

Originally it was stated that the Halos killed all sentient life...somehow. The fact they had to retcon it to any creature with a sophisticated enough nervous system showed they really didnt give it some thought at first

No they didn't you fucking idiot, the original novelization of CE described in detail how it worked and that's never changed.

>Spartan-IIIs on Reach
>The Pillar of Autumn in-atmosphere
>Halsey even knowing IIIs existed before Onyx

Dude having S3s in MJOLNIR is all sorts of fucking retarded

Reminder that both Reach and Fall of Reach are canon, but Reach and Halsey's Journal from the collectors editions retcon some elements to make them fit together.

The Ark was outside the galaxy. Regular Halo's were put in strategic spots around the galaxy so they achieved total saturation of their death bubbles

Nanomachines.

She actually doesn't know that Noble team is Spartan IIIs just that their not hers

the halo machine kills the hosts of the flood, so it retreats back into slumber

You must have missed the Reach ending with the Pillar of Autumn heading towards Halo, Bungie fucked up the background

fyi, there's still plotholes with Halo: Reach, and you shouldn't have to buy a more expensive version of the game to fix a bad plothole because of Bungie's shitty writing.

>lore deus ex machina
take your shitty lore stopping me from having fun, i dont give a shit about your fake 'narrative' in my dumb shooting game, go away

Remastering and porting Bungie's Halo to Steam.

This is some autism.

What I call autism is you calling out 343 for the same shit but would ignore the shit Bungie pulled after Halo 3. I call out both on this shit, they fucking made Halo CE in 2001 how do you fuck up the location of Alpha Halo?

343 need to be stopped. Their lore is utterly retarded.

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Remember that S4s are retarded
I still want my rainbow six vegas-style ODST game where you hunt down innies

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This except he meant reach not odst

Except that's just a minor background detail that nobody gave a shit about. 343 fucks up a lot more than that.

The entire fucking game doesn't fit with Halo CE-3, the lore, or even itself, stop acting like an entitled Reach bitch, Reach sucked and is better off forgotten.

Even if this reads bad I still maintain that the Forerunner Trilogy is still good and shows just how ineffective and Fucked the Forerunners were in their war against the flood

Can you imagine the outrage if a dude just up and climbed that dome? Haha

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Only for you because you're an autist.

>S4
Theyre poser bitches, I bet Johnson would wipe a squad of them without breaking a sweat

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This desu, but without the anger

>ITT: People dont comprehend how fucking dangerous the flood was.
Bungie really did themselves a disservice by not making it more apparent in the games.

The Flood share a single consciousness, which is mostly instinctual until sufficient biomass and cognitive capability (Nervous systems, calcium and plain biomass in extremely simple terms) is assimilated, which is what forms the gravemind.
When the flood grabs a host, that hosts memories and intelligence is added to the collective.
During the height of the Forerunner conflict, there were individual 'minds' (One singular consciousness though) the size of fucking planets, which is what allowed the gravemind to basically rape any forerunner AI it got it's tentacles in through sheer brute processing power as well form strategies and countermeasures at a speed that was literally unbeatable.

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I'm not saying that I approve of 343's retarded retcons and changes, but the Sparta IV's fit the current state of humanity in 4 and 5.

Bungie was behind it

>The Dome of the Rock is supposedly the exact spot where Mohammed ascended into heaven, and its literally built right on top of the Temple of Solomon that's insanely sacred to the Jews
Oh, that explains why the chosen people hate them so much.

You're an autist, you shit on 343 for being inconsistent on small things that are barely in their games yet you lose your shit when someone calls the tranny hiring Bungie out on their entire games being inconsistent with Halo CE-3, the lore, and itself from beginning to end (I'm looking at you ODST and Reach), you dumbass Reachkids were the worst thing to happen to the fanbase and it's about time we Halo veterans called you out on it, there's a reason why we bullied you nonstop on Bungie.net from 2009 to 2012, you deserved everything you got along with your shitty games that came out during that time.

In 40K the reason is that it defeats the purpose of conquering the planet if you immediately glass it, destroying all value and ability to live on it.

I assume Halo and most sci-fi universes like star wars are the same

>Can you imagine the outrage if a dude just up and climbed that dome? Haha
>He doesn't know that the Jews plan to destroy the Dome of the Rock and rebuild the Temple.
Just wait user, you haven't seen nothing yet.

the flood’s victory seems inevitable. why contain it?

Bungie's lore only sounds retarded when a brainlet tries to simplify it.

atmospheric storytelling to fill in the events of earth

Autism and cringe.

>we
Literally no one agrees with you. Both ODST and Reach are great. Even if you don't like Reach, you objectively can't say that ODST is a bad game.

Cope, Reachtard

I love how it's never established how the flood travel through space

Just go to another planet lmao

They can fly ships

the combine in epistle 3 turned out to be the flood but executed far shittier

A majority agrees with me, they're just not as loud as you, several of them appeared in different threads., you guys have mental illness and could never face the reality that ODST and Reach weren't liked back then and what you see now are the kids that grew up with that trash or forgotten how shit they were. Also, ODST is a bad game, they brought back fall damaged but you can never die from it, you also can't be stuck by a grenade on Easy and Normal difficulty making the game child's play easy, there's more about ODST too. Bungie stopped trying after Halo 3.

Nigger did you not play the games? They hijack the ships of the species they infect

They can fly ships, infect asteroids, and if they have neither of those they just wait around for someone who does.

That's fucked.
Why is everyone ok with this?

Don't forget Isabelle.

replace ebola with the flood here

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Get enough (or properly configure) biomass and you can protect yourself from space hazards, there are literally organisms on earth that can somewhat do it.
The flood mainly hyjack ships in the games though, since it's easier that growing your own and usually have flood-snacks inside.

You know the answer to that.

>majority
343 shills are a minority here though. But you can always go back to R*ddit.

Let us fly the fucking Pelican, and not the shitty 343 version, the Bungie version everyone loves. They should take Warzone and make bigger maps incorporating the Pelican.

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>Flood
>Forerunners
Laughs in gridfire

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They're still running around on The Ark somehow, The Banished released them from High Charities wreckage.

Just make a cheap-ass janky-ass Halo themed Batlefield clone.

youtube.com/watch?v=lLGhPGUDzqc
>he doesn't know
Anyway 343 is shit but the pelican in 4 was good. It just needed to be more maneuverable and something hard to fight against

You can't really do much, and everyone is safe as long as they don't discover any more gaylos. Even if the caretakers of the other 5 installations fucked up like Penitent Tangent, the Flood would still be stuck on the rings.

>Humanity finds the flood on one highly infected planet and wipes it out via supernova but never lets the rest know

Is that the Flood from Halo Wars 1? If so the Spirit of Fire was left drifting in deep space with no way to communicate that.

>tfw Be Human

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>tfw the pelican will never be real

>There should have been like martial law in Earth to ensure continuity of government

That's literally what the UNSC was doing until the UEG could be unfucked.

Its coming, user.
youtube.com/watch?v=wbQOTKbhnRg

>YOU ARE VIOLATING A DIRECT ORDER!
>No sir, I am following orders
>the way he utterly BTFOs Elites and Hunters like they're paper mache
>that completely silent, heart wrenching scream from Ghost in the flashback
Legends itself was a hit or miss collection but holy FUCK it really went nuts when it actually did it

>no fleet

UNSC had built a massive navy after the war. Hundreds of Autumn-Class heavy cruisers, Strident heavy-frigates and 2 Infinity-Class ships.

By that logic why have soldiers when planes exist?

How the fuck was humanity beating the Covies in ground combat? I know their races are essentially retarded due to honor for Elites or cowardice for Grunts, but it still seems like they should steamroll a race that is only about as strong as their weakest meatshields.

343shills don't exist here, 343shills exist on Waypoint and 343's Discord, 343shill here is a name given to Halo veterans that rightfully shit on Reach for being terrible Halo games shitted out by Bungie to fulfill a contract with none of the soal that was put in Halo CE, Halo 2, or Halo 3. You hate that you Reachbabbies are called out for what you are.

fulfilling a contract

Fighting to control objectives in all those different buildings, with landers and air support, is such a good idea that I'm surprised nobody has done anything like it

*ODST and Reach

>Halo Veterans
Lmao! Nice try, shill.

So would Stargate.

If the game supported 64 players it would work.

>soal

>How the fuck was humanity beating the Covies in ground combat?
They weren't.

>"Ten years after the Covenant war had begun, the advancing Covenant forces had destroyed nearly all of the Outer Worlds. The war fell into a predictable pattern; Humans won isolated battles, usually during ground engagements, but always at great, great cost."

And other book passages talked about humans tended to suffer ground losses around the same-ish rate as fleet battles.

The UN is in a bad situation, they only had about two hundred warships left after the war, a few dozen colonies out of hundreds are left, some of the colonies that were glassed still have survivors and the planets are being recolonized, Covenant leftovers are in a massive refugee movement, the Innies are back in full swing and have full control of a lot of planets that the UNSC abandoned to their own devices.

However, the Covenant races are utterly in shambles. The Prophets are almost extinct and in hiding, the Elites lost most of their leadership and power in late attacks by deep strike Spartan II and III teams with meganukes, followed by their purge and the Covenant civil war and ensuing race war with the Brutes.

Nominally the Arbiter's faction is the stringest, but ONI keeps backstabbung them and supporting Covenenant successor states so that the Elite factions keep bleeding each other dry while humanity rebuilds. None of.the other races have force projection or warfleets, the Brutes have some ships but no infrastructure and a small population after beung purged and are basically pirates, the Jackals are pirates and merchants.

I started with Combat Evolved dipshit, ODST and Reach both sucked, with none of the people at the top responsible for Halo CE-3, Bungie went to shit.

>Halo 4
>S-II's are a foot & change taller than S-IV's
>Halo 5
>S-IV's are the same height as II's because they need Lock to fight John

the "halo vets" who like where 343 took things are just sunk-costed because they bought all the lame out of game books and want to see their time spent validated

*soul

It happens

They should have never introduced Forerunners as anything big or substantial. The Flood should have been the main threat the entire time imo.

>How the fuck was humanity beating the Covies in ground combat?
They weren't, and that was the point. The Covenant at that point outclassed mankind in every way, and it was only though clever tactics or sheer luck that they won any battles. Even when they threw the Spartans at them they barely slowed the Covenant down. There's a reason it was standard protocol to for ships to scuttle themselves rather than risk even a miniscule of data relating to Earth getting to the Covenant

>official halo lore says flood came about when humans found strange vials filled with sand and for some retarded reason mixed the sand with dog DNA

Who cares about 343's terrible fanfiction though. "Past humanity" were mud hut dwellling Africans

>"Halo Veteran"
>"I started with Combat Evolved and.."
Best way to tell someone is a 343 shill.

Did you hear about that through the Telephone Game or something?

Different subspecies is the canon for jackals and drones, but I don't think it is for anyone else.

>343 shills dont exist here
Not part of this autistic argument, but you have people praising 343's terrible lore raping Forerunner books in this very thread.

>Over ten million years before present day, a civilization of supremely advanced beings known as the Precursors thrived in the cosmos. Having assumed the Mantle - the responsibility for the guardianship of all life in the galaxy - they seeded numerous worlds with life, bringing forth a wide range of sentient species across the galaxy. Under their guardianship, numerous intelligent species developed and flourished, including the Forerunners and humanity. The Precursors would eventually choose humanity to be the rightful successors to their Mantle, while judging the Forerunners unworthy. Refusing to accept their creators' judgment, the Forerunners staged a massive rebellion against the Precursors.

>The ensuing conflict ended with the Forerunners successfully wiping out all but a few Precursors. The few Precursors that escaped from (or were spared by) the Forerunners either went into suspended animation or transmuted themselves into dust that would regenerate into their past forms at a later time. However, over time the dust became defective, creating sickness, disease and biological mutations in other organisms that came into contact with it. With this new form — the earliest stage of the Flood — the Precursors vowed that none of their creations would rise against them again. A significantly mutated Precursor, one that would later be known as the last surviving one of its kind,[10] was sealed in a Precursor stasis capsule and placed in a small, ravaged planetoid at the galaxy's edge around 9,000,000 BCE. This being, later known as the Primordial, would eventually reveal the nature of the Flood to those willing to know the truth.

Whatever you say Reachbabby, just to let you know, real 343shills love Reach since they're 5-year bitches like you that likes that Call of Duty.

No one like where 343 took things, if it wasn't for the Halo veterans, Halo Infinite would have a shitty campaign like Halo 5 instead of finally taking inspiration from Halo CE and Halo 3's campaigns, the best campaigns this series had to offer.

It's in the Forerunner trilogy books, though user there neglected to mention how said sand was the Precursors last "fuck you" to the Forerunners after they rebelled and destroyed their creators. Sand was a mutagen that would change a species over several generations until the first Flood spores emerged, and it happened so slowly that by the time anyone caught on it was too late
>tfw ancient humanity actually did manage to figure out a way to kill Flood but the Forerunners literally kicked their asses back to the Stone Age before they could fully implement it

The Covenant would have no purpose then.

For whatever reason, the Forerunners kept samples of the Flood on the installations themselves.
When the Covenant and John Halo landed on the installation and went fucking around with things, they accidentally let the Flood out.

John Halo and his robot girlfriend blew up the installation in the first game and all the Flood were kill.
Then in Halo 2 they went to ANOTHER installation and let the Flood out again, this time the Flood had a big daddy Gravemind who was smart enough to orchestrate his own escape by taking over the Covenant ships.
Then again for unknown reasons Gravemind sent himself and all the Flood in the universe to the Ark which was outside the galaxy, so John Halo blowing it up killed literally all the Flood ever by also blowing up all the rings.

Yet you don't see any praising Halo 4's shitty Librarian cutscene, Spartan Ops, or the entire Halo 5 garbage campaign now do you?

The Great Journey was never about the Flood, mate.

They have no genetic code of their own, it's just a corruption of other species'.
A better question is, if every species that the Halos target needs to be entered into the Index, couldn't the UNSC have used it as a weapon by removing everything other than the Prophets' species and setting it off?

Except that last bit is wrong.
The flood retreated on their own because humanity wasn't supposed to be tested.
>However, no immunity or cure to the Flood existed; the Flood had chosen to stop infecting humans. The Didact later speculated that the Flood's intent was to prevent humanity's extinction at the hands of the Forerunners by making it appear as if humans held a solution to Flood infection.

>No shields ODST IRONMAN against enemies with shields

Oh boy heere comes the PTSD

Without the flood, there would be no Halos, and without the Halos, there would be no Great Journey.

>using the halo array for the great journey has nothing to do with the flood
>the same halo array that was designed to combat the flood by killing everything
hmm

No but I see plenty of retards acknowledging the retarded "durrr precursors" bullshit which was literally only made as a half assed retcon to justify bringing the forerunners back as villains since they were good guys in the original games

The flood segments are also the worst parts of any halo game and they are the only enemies in the game which are flat out unfun to fight against..

Jerusalem is the holy land and sacred to all Abrahamic religions. It's currently controlled by kikes but no one can do anything about it because the US are their fucking lapdogs and will BTFO out of anyone to keep it a zionist controlled state.

>the pelican in 4 was good

It's design sure as fuck wasn't thats for sure. Every Pelican model has always been different in each game, but 343 went full fucking retard.

>cockpit changed to a Hind-D entered from the fucking OUTSIDE, not through the crew/cargo compartment (was changed in 5 tho)
>a fucking RAMP instead of the airlock doors from 3/Reach, meaning cargo must be released before troops can get off
>flat bottom with Harrier style thrusters on its belly for some reason

At least in HW2 they turned that design into something that actually works, a super-heavy lift variant with a very small FTL drive and a gunship with a mini-mac and laser turrets.

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They created the best Forge. It was good in Halo 4 and basically perfected in 5.

We barely knew who the fuck the Forerunners were in the original games also the Forerunner books were good so fuck you, Nintendo doing the same shit with the Chozo so ancient turning evil really doesn't mean shit nowadays.

I knew about that but it's just an easter-egg, I want to fly a Pelican like that on a massive version of Death Island for some crazy games of Assault or CTF.

Jorge was a Spartan II, Nd the only one wearing OG Mark V Mjolnir.

You'll obviously have to rewrite those story elements. The Halos can still exist, just doesn't have to be about killing the Flood's food source. The Covenant are already worshiping a death cult to ascend to a higher plan of existing and shit, you could simply do the same for the Forunners, except they were successful at being a death cult.

We knew that they were benevolent from the Halo 3 terminals, which also confirmed that humanity was still in a prehistoric state at the time of the first Halo rings firing. And no the books were lore raping garbage retcon cashgrabs made to justify the absolute fucking trash that was Halo 4' stupid fucking tagline

So the Forunners just killed eachother because it's fun lol.

>used to read all of the lore in Halo threads of old and was always semi interested in it
>finally play through CE and none of the interesting stuff is covered at all
does all this stuff come from the books or do the sequels rectify this?

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Since master chief's defining characteristic was luck, what would Yea Forums think about Earth having narrowly escaped the effect area of the halo array due to some sort of failure. Obviously the series is pretty played out by now but the idea just occurred to me

343 going retarded is their staplemark. For whatever reason they also gave the Warthog regular suspension instead of each wheel being independent of each other.

Humans already do the same. There are some crazy way out there cults right now, here on Earth, I don't see why those can't be the inspiration for a story element. Also, this is merely an example, I'm not a bloody writer.

Oh you just hate because they explain something Bungie were too stupid to explain in three games to the point where they retconned them three fucking times within those three games with no consistency with themselves. Why do you think Bungie.net spent years arguing over if the Forerunners were ancient humans or a completely different species. Microsft had to help their asses out because they didn't know how to explain the Forerunners at all.

>does all this stuff come from the books or do the sequels rectify this?
Both.

And they gave it a V-12 engine instead of that super duper hybrid engine. As well as RWD instead of AWD.

halo 5 MP is best halo mp. Fuck you.

The flood is a disease though.

The meat of the Forerunner stuff is mostly in the books, but they touch on everything else more or less in the games

Hold the fuck up. Wasn't being AWD and each wheel being independent of each other one of the main hallmarks of the warthog?

Explain

Oh yeah man. Conpletely contradicting literally everything in all the games and retconning it all into generic HUMANITY FUCK YEAH bullshit sure is "explaining" things that were already explicitly stated in Halo 3's terminals. Humanity resembled the Forerunners in some way, but were not yet sentient. This is literally explicit information given in the terminals. 343's books are even less consistent and literally directly retcon all the past games for some generic garbage that makes literally zero sense.

Would feel kinda contrived.

No one ever claimed 343 made good choices, user

This retard did

most HFY fiction is pretty much like that though

I purely talking from a gameplay perspective, most designs in 343 halo's are garbage - nearly everyone agrees on that

Same, ever since CE I always wanted purely multiplayer vehicle combat. Something similar to Battlefield's 2142 'Titan' mode would be perfect

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Yeah, don't like HFY either.

At the end of the day the Flood reveal in CE is probably my favorite moment in the entire series

You better start telling me those contradictions that affected Halo CE-3, like ODST and Reach did.

>when you hate someone SO FUCKING MUCH you're willing to put your whole consume everything in sight schtick on hold just to fuck with them
........man, the Forerunners were real dicks, weren't they?

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Yes, along with its iconic engine sound that even Halo Wars 1/2 managed to use. For some reason 343 has this "Halo is ours so here's OUR take on everything" syndrome.

too bad it was ruined by copy pasting the same corridor over and over again for like half an hour as you fight the same 2 types of them over and over again. The flood themselves were more fun to fight than the elities when they werent spawning in tight spaces with rocket launchers

>stayed up till like 2am playing CE during a thunderstorm
>got to that mission, blood everywhere plus the spooky ambient music
>that fucking camera footage followed by the flood bursting through every door
>mag dumping 60rd mags of real fuckin' NATO at anything that moves but they just take rounds like nothing

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According to everyone in our government who is forced to swear allegiance to Israel it is anti-semitic to criticize Israel. Also Christian-Evangelicals want it to happen because the Temple has to be built before the anti-christ can rule and they get raptured before the return of Jesus.

>tfw Warzone in 5 could have been Battlefield 2142: Halo edition but instead it ended up being some weird MOBA/Command & Conquer Renegade hybrid

I didn't really play 5 much but I couldn't get into that mode

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Mendicant bias was cucked out of saving humanity from the covenant before the war even began due to a few worms (The orange shit that hunters are comprised of is actually a colony of silly string) wriggiling around the systems of the high charity key-ship and shorted out some important connections.

Wonder if there's a fanfic about that.

25 years in paint.

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So did they make it so that it no longer runs on water but speshul forerunner magic juice instead? I played 4 but never paid attention to the lore, just camping and nursing my 3 k/d like a total faggot

put evangelion shit on 343 """"halo"""""

>I didn't really play 5 much
Yeah same here. Don't know why everyone praises it so much, the advanced mobility bullshit is more call of duty than 4. The only thing I loved about Halo 5 was it's breakout mode but then for some fucking reason 343 decided to butcher it by giving everyone shotguns and overshield - fucking dumb cunts. It was the only good thing redeeming the game
>but I couldn't get into that mode
Same, the novelty wears off and the huge potential for warzone is gimped because of the Xbones power

You mean Millennial Syndrome? I knew we were screwed when I saw a picture of 343s staff just before the release of Halo 4.

Fuck you user, i like C&C and the idea of a warzone mode that gives the feeling is neat to me, without the MOBA.

DMR > AR > BR

It apparently still runs on liquid-cooled hydrogen, but the fucking thing sounds like a V12 Duramax now. But the hog in HW2 sounds like the old hog.

>noob crutch weapon > weapon that used to be shit under Bungie > weapon that was somehow a little bit balanced
wew lad

>weapon that was somehow a little bit balanced
Did they make it shit after Halo 2 or something? Its the only gun worth using 90% of the time

That's because everything else was shit in comparison..
Halo 2 BR was broken as fuck, though.

The fucking maps in Warzone were fucking terrible, save for Apex 7 which was like Death Island light. Every other map was so fucking easy to get spawn-trapped at your main base because all you needed to do was bum-rush the opponents first capturable base and boom, free kills for the next 20 minutes.

2 ribs?

H1 AR > H3 AR

I liked going back through it and seeing last minute barricades made by the Covenant out of whatever was lying around and alien bodies strewn here and there.

Literally anything is better than the peashooter from 3. Except maybe Spikers.

If you wanna see how badly the fucked up check out the version they have in Forza Horizon 4, it has RWD and regular 4x4 suspension.

You're nuts. A player with a half decent aim with the pistol will always beat an AR user. You should always switch out for the shotgun unless you're getting the rockets and cloak.

What makes the DMR a noob crutch weapon? I didn't play 4 or 5 so I don't know if it's in those games.

One word.
>Spartans.

I thought they killed everything except what's on the ring

I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

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The small team from 343 that worked on HW2 with Creative Assembly seem to have their shit together, managing to make a hybrid of 343 & Bungie designs for that game.

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Powerful and extremely accurate. It is very effective a mid and long range, even being able to counter snipe very long range weapon. In Reach, its only drawback was the "Bloom", this was virtually removed in 4, allowing to dominate the battlefield. Thing is, you can start with it thanks to the loadout system, meaning you always had access to it, killing the sandbox. It was so bad that 343 buffed all other weapons, and also because they were cowards who couldn't just nerf one, extremely popular, weapon.
I guess some anecdotes might also be in order. My Halo 3/Reach buddy was sucking ass when he started playing 4. Told him to just pick a DMR. He went from dead last to the top of the ranking in every game henceforth thanks to that thing.

The bullet spread was pretty much removed entirely in 4, leading to EVERY match having you picked off across the map with it after 4 shots. It hit like a tank and they never properly nerfed it.

Why do they add this stuff and then kill you when going out of bounds? WHY?

God the second one was so boring. Third was the shit I live for in sci-fi. And I'm a sucker for last stands.

How does a single molecule reproduce

How does a single cell reproduce?

Warzone was fun, but the problem is the stupid fuckign movement options given in Halo 5
remove sprint and boosting already, clambering is fine

I presume you're talking about Halo wars 2, was that a decent game?
I liked the first but never got the second for some reason i cant remember.

It infects another one.
Those two then infect one each.
Those four then infect...
Repeat until [I AM A MONUMENT TO ALL YOUR SINS]

>cells are molecules

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God i hate Halo's lowered crosshair I dont know how anyone can stand it. it made Prey literally unplayable for me

HW1 and 2 are pretty fun games.
HW1 on PC has a pretty neat mod that adds a ton of new leaders. They're worth checking out if you want a more casual (i.e. watered down) RTS experience.

Why doesn't the gravemind kill Chief in 3 when he's getting Cortana

But why

2 is a decent game, just don't expect Blitz mode to be balanced if you get it. Blitz is a fun mode but holy fuck is it unbalance and P2W as fuck.

>can upgrade your units levels which = more HP/DMG
>so many people buy cards to max out their units to lvl 50 that rock/paper/scissors formula turns into rock/paper/scissors/credit card

I've faced people who had a single lvl 25 infantry unit take on hordes of tanks and infantry and take almost no damage, while tearing my shit apart.

Yes and no. Hard sci fi space warfare is the most boring and ridiculous thing ever. There's no feasable way that a space warship would be able to generate enough energy and withstand enough heat to defeat a ground based installation. While you can throw a piece of mass at the ground from the end of a solar system they can just launch 55000 guided missiles right back and call it a day. Chances are the ground system would have stronger shielding than a ship, and the ability to maneuver still burns fuel and generates heat both of which can take a ship out of commission.

Man I would kill for an XCOM style Halo game. Mods for XCOM can only go so far. I'd love to see a Halo style of Deadlock for the space battles too.

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Because he was inside of him unironically

they were in containment on the rings, how they survived on the halos is the big question

>all those ODST mods for Xcom2
hell I dont even like Halo, but that art direction is on point

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Aren't there literally only 2 s3 alive though

Do you havae images to back that up?

Literally everything about 343's forerunners directly contradicts Halo 3's terminals you zoomer faggot

Play that shit solo on legendary to fully appreciate how much of a god the master chief actually is, especially when you factor in that said level was designed to be beaten and that the actual scenario in-universe was probably 10-100x worse.
I died more times on that level than any other combined, made my full clear all the goddamn sweeter though.

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There's still the Banished, but they got BTFO by a 80yr old converted colony ship with troops using decades outdated hardware and 3 S-II's wearing pre-shield Mjolnir MK.IV armor.

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Just go to the steam workshop for XCOM 2 and search for Halo.

That logic only really applies if you only have one point to defend. It's entirely possible that an entire fleet of ships would end up much more powerful than any ground based installations simply because you can amass all of them to attack or defend any point as necessary, whereas immobile ground defences will have to be built separately everywhere they're needed.
The Covenant fleet could be the entire combined product of countless worlds, whereas whatever ground defences Reach could have certainly wouldn't be the entire product of the human nation, unless they left everywhere else undefended.

>kill off shitskins
>humanity suddenly does really well

Only in 343's canon

The fuck you calling zoomer, Reach bitch, shut your zoomer ass up and respect your elders, boy it doesn't contradict shit since Silentium exist.

>entirely based on bullshit
>would still be enough to cause armageddon while the majority of the world interprets the resulting conflict as evidence of their apocalyptic religious beliefs
Truly terrifying

Silentium did the retconning you 343 apologist faggot

So what did the primordial tell medicant bias that convinced it to side with the flood? I can only imagine how disappointing the explanation will be in halo 6

>343 fanboy who hates Halo
>elder
Good joke

>Africa gets glassed.
>Suddenly able to rebuild and improve upon entire space fleets within half a decade despite almost going extinct.

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The primordial doesnt exist in the canon of the good games

Started with CE you numbnuts bitch, I bet you started with Reach.

It merged Halo 3 and 4's terminals together.

Yes, by retconning the shit out of Halo 3 in favor of 343's generic schlock. Fuck off 343 apologist zoomer.

Okay in other words 343 halo doesnt exist.

Where were the retcons zoomer, you still haven't brought any up?

I started with Marathon kid, stop pretending that defending the new games makes you mayure when 343 devs have outright stated they dislike Halo and wamt to "fix" it

Yeah, basically. Let's also pretend Reach didn't happen while we're at it, even though it'

Who knows but it talk to MB for years and gave it the Logic Plague while it somehow convinced him the Forerunners were evil and then he went Rampant and you know the story from there. Halo 3 on Legendary difficulty goes through their conversation in the Terminals.

I bet you're lying sack of shit but in the event that you're not, another question are you still defending Bungie's tranny loving asses now?

Halo Wars too? Shit was trash.

>oh btw theres ANOTHER ancient race who were the REAL advanced ones and they made humanity their heirs (ignore that humanity were still practically ape men in the H3 terminals) and the forerunners were actually EVIL FOR NO REASON and hated human (ignore that this directly contradicts the terminals again as well as the entire plot of the OT) and none of this was ever even hinted at before but it was all totally part of the lore trust us :)

He BTFO'd him with logic and arguments about how the forerunners were bad guys and literally wanted to nuke the galaxy.

Nubungie isnt even the same dev studio, doesnt change the fact that 343's """""games""""" aee an embarrasment conpared to the real halo games, kid.

It was the Geavemind, not the primordial.

They haven't been the same dev team since 2009, so show me that you started with Marathon.

Not him, they're the same fucking thing.