Remember how everyone began using Steam because it was "such good service"?

Makes you think.

GoG is and has always been the best service.

Not about much. Desura was a horribly managed service, both for the users and for the devs. It only survived because of the lack of alternatives, just like itch.io only lucked into being an indie outlet instead of a gay porn site by Desura dying.

pretty much the only game in town with nothing better, though

Steam looks like they're refocusing into things that matter. Proton, Steam Link can now stream over the internet, removing video distribution, stopping review bombing (stfu about freedom of speech, it's autistic bandwagoning)

Epic is basically paying for your pirated copy, so good for them for getting Steam to care again.

Fuck exclusives. Even fucking Microsoft of all companies now want to smash exclusives. I will never support any platform or company that uses exclusives to bait you into buying their product.

Downloading steam was the best consumer decision I've ever made. It served as a messenger and social network for my friends over the past 15 years that allows us to join each others games. I also saves thousands of dollars in the initial steam sales. I got most of the big $60 AAA games for $20 or less.

>no service
>only caters to publishers
no reason to use epic

steam wasn't the first but it was one of the early ones that wasn't completely ass. It was the early stake that managed to survive

>It served as a messenger and social network for my friends over the past 15 years
thats what i mean by steam culture shit. i never got into that. so unlike you, i was never invested in it or bought a bunch of shit on it. i mean every person like you has hundreds of games on steam you dont touch. you get suckered in and buy shit and dont play it. i only have steam because i got a humble bundle and i dont touch any of those fucking games

Chicom must be destroyed.

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Really how much do you get for schilling?

I mean it is obvious that EPIC is brute forcing its way, funded by Tencent into the market by bribery and not even trying to estabilish a working business model until they deem, they have gotten an enough share of the pie.

This is above the real security issues and by god i hope th EU gets them with a GDPR clause.

>People defend Epic illegally scraping your Steam data without your permission so they can get insight into how to poach users
The scummiest shit

why do they want your steam info so bad?

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to see what ppl wishlist in the steam store so they can bribe those devs

While I'm happy Valve is finally getting some competition, I would rather that they fought by not applying anti-consumer practices.

Also exclusives are cancer, so I'm wary of Epic too.

Because: >so they can get insight into how to poach users
Epic probably wants data on which games they should offer exclusivity deals to so they can take as many users away as possible. Wishlists and games played are among the data they scrape

my friends list cant see me playing an ironic otaku visual novel and i cant review bomb a game after the dlc added a black person or something?? ummm yikes af desu fuck epic game store steam forever.

Fuck off shill this is the 3rd time I've seen this fucking thread.

neck yourself

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only human in the thread

>unironically saved a touhou reaction image to their hard drive at some point in their life

Cool I guess.

It wasn't moneyhatting other developers left and right, at least. Valve sold Steam on the power of Counter-Strike 1.6 and Half-Life 2, their own properties.

I still remember when Valve rolled out Steam while WON was still active and the reception was pretty negative, at least amongst some of the Finnish CS players I knew. The idea of running Counter-Strike or Half-Life from a separate program was cumbersome, as it not only meant you had another application to hog your RAM but also an extra hoop to go through before launching a game you wanted to play. I don't know how much trouble others had with the client but on my computer, Steam was buggy, laggy and slow as fuck (not to mention high-speed internet was still a novelty back in the early '00s; downloading an entire game using a dial-up modem was not all that appealing to many).

I believe there are two reasons why Steam became so "popular" and widespread in the early days:

1) the WON network was eventually shut down, which meant that you absolutely needed to use Steam if you wanted to keep playing CS or other HL multiplayer mods
2) the only way to legally play Half-Life2 was through Steam

In other words, Steam was forced upon Half-Life and CS fans who wanted to be able to continue experiencing both the things they loved as well as the new continuations that were coming up. I think it genuinely started taking off later when DSL and cable modems supplanted dial-ups and ISDN, Valve began distributing other publishers' games on it, doing those big-ass sales and incorporated built-in social media features that casuals and normies love so much. I also believe that by 2007–2008, most PC gamers had had enough of SecuROM and other copy protection nonsense, so the appeal of playing a game without having to wait for CD/DVD load times/check-ups was pretty high.

SWITCH TO USE EPIC GAME STORE NOW. STEAM UNETHICAL PLATFORM NO EVEN HAVE SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE RATINGS.

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Remember to report the bugman spammer.

While he's not wrong, he shoots himself in the foot with actual spyware and abysmal functionality.

Cringe - like Steam users tend to be

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Remember kids I deserve your money, not developers

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Dude, you know it's illegal to talk negatively about Steam, right?

Cool so when am I getting good prices?

The difference is its been so long most pc gaymers are invested into steam I have nearly 200games and thousands of hours in them why the fuck should I have to split my library? and to a storefront with less features user

How have you not been banned for fucking spamming.

If it's in the license agreement that Steam owns this information even if they aren't getting this off of Steams servers wouldn't it be illegal to harvest this data, even if Epic got your explicit permission, since that information is still technically owned by steam under the license agreement you signed with them?

Wouldn't Epic have had to have gotten permission from Valve to access this data legally? I mean aside from opening a can of worms on data collection which Valve very clearly doesn't want to open with how gloves on they've been handling this, doesn't this constitute violations of corporate espionage laws?

Do you think if you keep reposting this OP you will trick enough people into using your chink spyware?

Developers get 70% tho what the fuck are you talking about.

Epic gives devs 88% though

absolutely no reason for devs to pay the steam tax given how shit it is these days

They can stop selling in Steam.

>steam tax

You might want to rename that to the GOG, Sony, Microsoft, Google, Apple tax Tim. Don't know why everyone picks on valve for it when they do more than the rest for it.

No one argues that DRM is ethical from that standpoint, every company was pushing it and pulling software under it's umbrella as fast as they could. What steam did was scummy, and from the standpoint of DRM and what it's done to software as a whole (along with copyright law going fucking insane) it has had a lasting effect on the industry.

However for the most part that had been the limit of its contribution to the decline of software as a whole, and as time went on it became a relatively beneficial form of DRM despite DRM being shit for existing. It's just strange because I don't hate steam as a platform, but I hate valve as a developer for basically fucking over the fans of their games in order to establish a unified store front and leaving them all to rot.

Valve is probably one of the worst developers on the planet just for the sake of using their fame of making decent games to cash in, and their cash in contributing the the growth and acceptance of DRM, but Steam itself is benign in comparison to the events that lead to it's creation and the shitty actions involving it's creation.

Discord gives 10% and Itch.io takes theoretically zero. Why does epic deserve that cut?

GOG changed it, tho. For unknow reasons.

Yeah, and the customers are paying for it.

NOOOOOO THEY TOTALLY DESERVE IT

And they're in the red for it.

>dev tools, market spotlight, community tools, updating tools, and valve staff troubleshooting your issues for you as you develop and maintain your game
>fuck you I want more money though
This doesn't even benefit developers in the long run, only sorry sighted publishers who want the most return on their investment immediately.

Give it a couple years and that might happen

>New company comes to the TV market
>100x100 resolution CRT
>"BUY MY TV MAN U THINK SONY TV's STARTED AT 4k OLED?"

>let China ruin utterly all goodwill your user base might've had for you
Awesome businessman

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Look at what this Epic CEO said. He doesn't have gamers anywhere in sight at all. Except it's the gamers providing the cash flow. What does he think we are? Automatic money bags?

Nothing will happen to Steam. They will counter-maneuver whatever Epic has. But decent stores that give one rat's ass about gamers (like GOG) will get caught in the fire.

I dislike Steam's growing anti-consumer moves (the current being negative review censoring), but no way am I moving to Epic. If GOG dies, it's straight to piracy.

Based, fuck china but also fuck Steam

steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1808664240333155775

OH NO NO NO NO NO

JUST

He's a fuck, some other kids with a game and dream will take his place. fuck em

STEAM BAD
EPIC GOOD
THANK GOD FOR ME

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That's a shame, review bombing was one of the only ways to make a dev listen.

What a disgusting monster

Precisely, fuck these dudes

only corporate drones would be upset at competition.

Based Gunsluts Frontline

Why is Epic competition and not GOG, Uplay, Origin, Itch.io, or Discord?

they are all competition, the more the better.

every time you post this you kill 50 chinese.

If you recognize them as competition then, clearly people can be upset at Epic without being update by all of steams competition. Therefore everyone isn't a corporate drone

>Dude I got this $60 AAA mass market trash for $15 what a steal lmao
It costs Gabe the same to send you the data to play the game either way. Being pro-steam is the quickest way to out yourself as a know-nothing zoomer.

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and epic is the worst of them all, why are chinks defending it so much?

i dont get the chinese text and winnie the pooh jokes, can some explain to my brainlet ass

Competition would be offering the same products with a better price and service.
Epic is moneyhatting exclusivity deals and trying to twist everyone's arm into using its shitass launcher.

>GOG, Uplay, Origin, Itch.io, or Discord?

Not effective competition.

Epic is the only one who wants to win and not just be Steam's cuck boy, like GoG is. Pic related, Steam and GoG.

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In your place I would do back ups on Blu-ray of every DRM-free game.

In what metric is Epic effective and the others aren't? That is arbitrary subjective qualifier you added when I replied to a post that implied "all" competition

I wouldn't call Epic effective as their library is shit.

you're mistaking the argument im making. im saying only corporate drones would be upset at competition. being upset at epic games for making life difficult for steam, as a corporation, would mean you are a drone.
no, competition is competing for consumers regardless of better prices of services. if it keeps steam on their toes by offering the same services or products, it's competition.

im fully convinced these threads are littered with indie devs, notice how revenue split and "think of the poor devs" get mentioned WAY more than game prices to consumers
epic so far hasn't delivered on the prices they promised aside from metro in some regions solely because of the controversy
not only they have to compete with steam prices, but other authorized retailers which offer much better ones like GMG where you can buy $60 games like DMC5 and RE2 for almost $45 even before release

Winnie the pooh is banned in china because people were comparing the president to him. The chinese text is a selection of stuff you can't look up on chinese internet or the fried rice gestapo come for you or something, the theory is posting in it chats or on Yea Forums takes them off the internet but it's more of a joke.

>I wouldn't call Epic effective as their library is shit.

Some of the best looking indie games is shit? You realise most of Steam is nothing but indie games, right?

They didn't sell anyone on steam, they forced it on you if you wanted to play. Everyone hated steam when it first came out.

>le epic pirate

>most
nice try, Tim.

>im saying only corporate drones would be upset at competition
Again, no one bitches about the other competition, clearly the people upset at Epic aren't mad just because Epic is competition, they are mad because of things Epic does, like poach games (metro for example) after steam started taking pre-orders

> being upset at epic games for making life difficult for steam
Name one person that is upset because it is difficult for steam. People are upset because epic is taking choice away from the consumer not steam

I don't buy most games on Steam, the ones I do buy on Steam aren't on Epic, it should be obvious, that I shouldn't even have to say it.

That again ties into how subjective tastes are, and YOUR definition of "effective" coming into question

The Valve drones of today don't know Steam was just a shitty DRM that you were forced to use to play Half Life 2 and CS:S

I kept using Steam precisely because of that. It's full featured, works without fault and refunds are no hassle as long as it's less than about 2 or so hours. EGS is still undercooked, so for now, I'll keep using other, more useable and secure storefronts. Exclusives can suck a dick, I can get them otherwise, it's the developer's choice on whether they'll get my money or not.

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The buying up of exclusives has been incredibly effective

You already see people worried about Shenmue 3 and Borderlands 3 being Epic Store exclusives

I see nobody stressing over the few exclusives GoG has like Diablo - yet Steam drones don't worry about that, because:

GOG isn't real competition in the minds of a Steam drone.

This rebuttal makes no sense. Its not as if Steam games are difficult to steal. Wake up, drone.

Desperation mode begins. I don't think this will stop any devs from leaving though.

If you had the chance to kill him as a baby, would you do it Yea Forums?

This guy is 2019 hitler, to pc gaming.

Why use any store when you can just use TPB?

I'm not usually one to call reddit spacing

but oh boy

was this obvious

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>people are stressing
>this is good competition

The mind of an epic shill, jesus christ.

only way to beat steam is
>fuck the consumer
>keep prices exactly the same
>make sure publishers get more money while the actual people who made the game get dick all
cool and good

Can you kindly stop making this thread, no new discussion is happening here.

>The buying up of exclusives has been incredibly effective
>You already see people worried about Shenmue 3 and Borderlands 3 being Epic Store exclusives
"Effective" for Epic would be people actually switching over to the EGS because of these exclusives. People worrying about games they're looking forward to becoming exclusives doesn't mean jack shit if they just decide to forget about the game and never buy it. Given the fact that neither Epic nor any of the exclusive devs have bragged about sales numbers it's probably not working out too hot right now

You just did it too, the fuck?

Steam drones are stressing because they have to deal with having competition for the first time. That is the very definition.

I should say, if Epic bought them as exclusive from the start, I wouldn't even be in this thread, the only shitty thing I think Epic did was the exclusivity deals AFTER PREORDERS STARTED ON THE COMPETITORS PLATFORM, not the existence of exclusives itself.
You're willfully ignoring the nuance and conflating it with the broader concept of exclusives in general and not specifically after the customers already bought it elsewhere

I did
I got steam in 2011 because they gave away Portal for free, after a friend told me so.
I discovered it was comfier than pirating after getting the Half life bundle for 5$, since my original copy rotted.

dont forget GOG!

I don't know why you think saying it again would make it sound any less insane

Well the only one that seemed like a raw deal was Phoenix Point, but they went to Epic, Epic didn't go to them.

People who preordered Exodus on Steam got to play it on Steam

If Epic's exclusivity deals are so effective then show me some sales numbers.
If you post an article that only mentions console numbers then I'm going to say the T word.

certainly people are complaining that epic is being competition. 'oh why does there need to be an epic store when we have steam'? 'why can't everyone just stick with steam'? the comments are endless. people are upset because epic store is making the steam store less relevant. they are corporate drones that don't like anything different from steam.

Does Steam release sales numbers to the public on a regular basis?

They went to epic after announcing it would be on GoG and Steam, it is clear that Epic would was the one pushing exclusivity while they simply wanted it on all 3

Yes you can hand wave away the Exodus but that is why people got upset, because Epic started poaching, not because Epic simply existed

>wtf why are all the indie games going away? Its not like im paying for them.

>people itt. genuinely use the epic launcher
does the store front still not even have a search function because there are so few games

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reminder

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See: We only know about Steam sales from Steamspy (which you fags hate) and a leak from 2018

If you don't reply sneed to this post your mother will fuck and suck in your sleep

>im fully convinced these threads are littered with indie devs, notice how revenue split and "think of the poor devs" get mentioned WAY more than game prices to consumers

It's deeply satisfying to know that Epic's "curation" means they want nothing to do with these indie shitters out here defending them thinking they're going to make it big.

sneed

Correct, they also released an 'upcoming features' roadmap

A shopping cart was 6+ months away

You're posts are making less and less sense. Stop hiding behind the thin veil of irony and explain yourself. Why do you think its acceptable for Gabe to take a 30% cut for no effort on his part, but wrong for anyone else to try and pull the exact same scam?

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>better revenue sharing
why would consumers care about this

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>sales from Steamspy

Sergey (who runs Steamspy) works for Epic on the game store and once said that Valve has a 'moral obligation' to provide an API that would allow rough sales estimations. So where is our own Epicspy?

>why would a nigger, like myself, care about this

Wowee, so glad Epic has come along to make it all better by doing the exact same thing but even worse

Because Valve owns and operates steam you retard.

>'oh why does there need to be an epic store when we have steam'? 'why can't everyone just stick with steam'?
I see quotes but no one in this thread has said that, you say they are endless but no one in this thread said that

> people are upset because epic store is making the steam store less relevant
People are upset because PC gaming is becoming more console like.

>They are corporate drones that don't like anything different from steam.
Again GoG, Uplay, Origin, Battle.net, Itch.io etc etc all exist

No one really cares about EGS to bother with that shit.

>lacking features, locking third parties to a shittier service and the gal to just steal and give your data to the chinese.

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>take a 30% cut for no effort on his part
Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft have better stores? Because they take 30% too

Steam is still around for you to use. It hasn't gone away.

legitimately though. they don't pass the savings on to me, so why the fuck should that matter to me when I'm purely a consumer?

>all this reddit spacing
lol
Encourages publishers to sign exclusivity deals, doesn't at all matter to the consumer since prices on Epic are flat with no third party market. Epic thinks that merely having a random assortment of exclusive games is enough to sell their platform.

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That meme started last year, I've been spacing my posts like that on Yea Forums for over 10 years, I have never posted on reddit

It was never from reddit.

Ok, but what's that got to do with anything?
Why are you supporting Epic for doing the same thing Valve did that everyone hated?

Who asked for Steam fagtron? Its not like it was always there or written in the stars that we needed an electronic Walmart. If you weren't such a zoomer you would remember having to put up with early garbage Steam just to play HL2 and CSS, sequels to games that were nothing less than a PC gaming phenomena. How do you not see the racket? Steam was a solution looking for a problem

>competition
yay more exclusives, more exclusives
more delayed launchs
more launchers to bloat your pc
turning the pc scene into some retard console war-esque is so neat

Because I want Valve/Steam to have actual competition for once

Valve rests on their laurels too much - that's what happens when you're a monopoly

>competition
>when you cant buy the games on another service

you are retarded

see

There's nothing wrong with the status quo Jim

>Because I want Valve/Steam to have actual competition for once
So how exactly does Valve 'compete' against Epic buying exclusivity? Steam getting major improvements doesn't suddenly stop Epic from having the money to buy out exclusivity of titles
>Valve rests on their laurels too much
Constant updating to the controller support, Proton and their new multiplayer API isn't exactly doing nothing

So what, do you want Valve to start doing as Epic is? Start moneyhatting their own third party exclusives?

Is this guy delusional? Most people with steam accounts would not change services at this point.
>Messaging
>Achievements
>Sales out the ass
>In-game integration
>VR Hub

Also most people that buy games have already invested a lot of money in their accounts, and the hassle of having two services is not worth it.
Publishers will notice that their numbers when selling on Epic, compared to selling on Steam are sub-par and will have no choice but to come back to Steam. Either that, or Valve will just offer them a better deal and fuck Epic over.
No distribution service has come close to taking Steam down. Fuck Valve, but at least Steam is a good service.

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99% of those sites are a feedback loop into Steam's environment

Hey OP I use steam everyday. Haha you must be mad.

>exclusives
if they arent ones you are producing you can fuck off and keep that shit on consoles
>good prices and better revenue sharing
lol thats why they are more expensive outside of america and you can't get deals from outside sellers
fuck off and actually make a good storefront first

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As the monopoly, Steam doesn't need to do that.

Back to 2009, 2010 curation, when only the best indies like Braid would get onto Steam.

>I've beat the market by being a poor piece of shit who doesn't buy or sell, fuck I don't participate outside my government stipends for disability as a NEET

Oh ok.

Tim Sweenye still thinks it's 2004.

Did ebin store killed crowdfunding since these chinks will target niche games that pc gamers usually buy?

The same reason people might patronize local businesses instead of national chains when given the opportunity. They want the satisfaction of knowing their money goes where it is deserved. In this example the money stays in the local economy and feeds one of their neighbors. Not everyone is thinking from a purely solipsistic view.

>As the monopoly

Steam isn't a monopoly though, it's a market leader. Very different things

And I forgot to mention reviews.
Epic Launcher is such a bad service when compared to Steam holy shit.

Oh, you're one of those.
Keep on being mad that games you don't like are getting sold

>Steam was shit 15 years ago, therefore Epic should be allowed to be shit today
How retarded are you people? Times have changed and expectations have changed with them. Epic is offering a garbage service with garbage business practices, as such it deserves no money.

Care to come up with a real argument?

The fact people can't tell the difference between a market leader and a monopoly is sad.

Somehow having a quasi-monopoly hasn't stopped them from implementing more useful and consumer/dev friendly features than all of their competitors combined.

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If Steam got away with it then so will Epic. In a few years you'll have Epic zealots on here demanding all games be on their store and making weird memes about Tim Sweeney being a God.

Don't forget
>No key generation for publishers to sell to third-party sellers (resulting in cheaper games for users)
This is also never going to change since Epic only takes 12% per sale and throwing in some 0% sales would fuck them hard. Tim also dodged a question about this when asked

Hey, I wanted Rape Day to be sold - guess who removed it? Guess who is removing hentai games with 18+ characters with big tits just because they're in school settings?

Either sell porn, or don't. Either remove the trash indies, or don't.

You sound like a giant faggot.

Reminds me of the whole Internet Explorer vs Netscape fiasco.
How the FUCK was that a monopoly? Microsoft was just bundling their own software with the OS they made. For free. That only showed that Netscape was a thing of the past.

Valve should make a loyalty program, clearly they have loyal fans, I was so upset when Club Nintendo died for that shitty MyNintendo replacement

sad bugmen
占占点

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>Uuuuh but it was based and totally not cringe when we unironically worshiped BASED LORD GABEN

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No argument. Just zingers that no one is here to see. Not that I'm surprised. You seem like the type with a "relaxed" brain

How come Valve doesn't have you sign a contract stating "If you want your game to ever appear listed in the store, you are bound by this contract to sell it on Steam no later than any other publicly available version of your game".

What really gets me is the bait and switch, companies putting it on steam for people to get hyped and then fuck off to the Epic store a month before launch.

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Having an all-in-one service for my game library is pretty nice, user.

GOG is fine, but Steam is better.

I have no interest in yet another company loader.

Steam got away with it in a time when this shit was new. They pretty much invented the online game distribution as it is known today.
Epic could have launched a perfectly functional service, but instead they are trying to take over with a shitty client.

Eh, maybe. Epic isn't going to have sales though, so there won't be as much to encourage that kind of behaviour

I actually like that. If I buy in X store, I don't want to be forced to redeem it in Y store.

Consoles are a closed environment. I care not for what they charge. Steam created a walled garden where there was none. That is the difference.

Well, you can't redeem anything on Epic, so that's a pointless remark.

>I actually like that. If I buy in X store, I don't want to be forced to redeem it in Y store.
You literally can only buy games exclusive to the Epic store on Epic's store. You pay what Epic wants you to pay or you fuck off. Fuck that

There is nothing wrong with Hitler though so I don't catch your point.

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It's time to ask ourselves, is Epic Games competing? or are they bringing to pc shitty console practices? i mean they're the ones monopolizing new games and not improving their own product, that's not how you compete, you compete by adding a product more value on the same market, they're just stacking new games, doing shaddy shit, and calling it "competition", instead of giving more features than the competition at lower prices...

I will say that Steam support for controllers like the Dualshock 4 and Pro controller is a huge selling feature

It's the reason I use steam to launch many non-steam programs including my PS2 and Gamecube emulator

They're competing using chink strategy.

Ya blew it.

Is someone actually getting paid to spam this thread ? That's what I want to know.

Having keys wouldn't have done a single difference with the exclusives.

>you compete by adding a product more value on the same market

There was no value to Steam when it first launched - why do we have to remind you Valve drones of this every fucking time.

Then again I'm talking to Steam drones, people who have never used a CD to install a game in their life.

>is Epic Games competing? or are they bringing to pc shitty console practices?
Both, You can compete while doing what people frown upon, the repercussions are simply dealing with the PR backlash, once they deal with that they'll be ok

Steam is improving their product, I've since made the switch to Linux thanks to proton, it has been painless. Regular Wine/Lutris helps with things like Overwatch

But that's wrong. Key resellers are able to offer competitive prices

but it has value now you fucking brain dead chink

It's fucking [CURRENT YEAR], Sweeney. You're not competing with Valve in 2004.

>There was no value to Steam when it first launched
So fucking what? That's completely irrelevant

Don't bother, they never acknowledge this point

I don't think it was worth the cost of slashing every PC developers margins to have access to the super majority Steam demographic. This is where our opinion differs, I believe. I am not a GOG shill

>wouldn't have done a single difference

I would have gotten cheaper games, rather than having to buy from Epic who's management don't believe in sales on the level of even current-day Steam (paraphrasing of Tim's own words)

EPIC wouldn't have allowed it. That's what an exclusive is.

It really is very convenient.

All they have to do is give us Steam without the Facebook shit and people will throw money at them.

>slashing every PC developers margins

The fucking PC platform was dead from the mid 2000s and onward. The whole seventh gen was a shitshow for PC. It only came back to relevancy because there was a platform like Steam to accrue regular uses and be a place publishers could sell their games

Way to miss the point you utter fucking retards. It's only a matter of time until it becomes the better platform and that's what scares Valve.

>when it first launched
>first launched
>first
we're not comparing the games industry 20 fucking years ago, dumbass, we're comparing it now. There's a whole world of difference from "literally no competition" to now.

>>The whole seventh gen was a shitshow for PC. It only came back to relevancy because there was a platform like Steam to accrue regular uses and be a place publishers could sell their games
>STEAM SAVED PC GAMING!!!1

Cringe

>It's only a matter of time until it becomes the better platform
>A shopping cart is 6+ months away

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>it's only a matter of time until it becomes the better platform
Yeah, spyware is totally an improvement

>It's only a matter of time until it becomes the better platform
According to the roadmap they put out, that won't be for over a year.
And that's assuming Steam makes absolutely zero changes in the next year.

The glory days of the 90s were never coming back user. Goddamn Epic declared the PC as dead

Reminder that Epic will have all the good features of Steam in a year, which took Valve 10 years to add

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steam spies on you and valve has openly admitted to it

There's nothing to compete against. EGS/Steam/Origin/uPlay whatever else is just a shitty annoying webapp and server with non-transferable friends lists.

Having more than one is literally nothing more than an inconvenience to consumers. I don't want 5 different apps having my card, email, name, address playing habits and friends list. I want one with my card, friends, email, address, and frankly I don't even want that, I'd be quite fucking happy if it just knew my friends and games.

We won't forget that EGS is scanning personal browser data, either, which is creepy. It's bad enough Steam does it with the internal browser and if we're being honest I'd like to see chat retention nuked.

Because steam / other platforms totally don't do the same right?

>steam spies on you
Steam anonymously tracks data on usage so Valve can develop Steam in the right direction in a data-driven way

The Epic Games Store spies on files on your computer unrelated to its own files

>it takes less time to copy your homework than it does to do it properly
Wow, who would've thought?

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it's the same thing, you retard

proof?

Go read the EULA you degenerate.

>A program tracking its own usage is the same thing as a program tracking usage of other programs on your computer

thanks for beta testing gabe, you fat fuck talentless jew

Remember when Valve checked your browser history to "prevent cheating"?

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26240140

yes retard
holy shit you're dumb

i'm not spoonfeeding you

>Mod support for games
>4-6 months

I'm calling horseshit

>yes retard
GDPR disagrees given that what Steam does is legal and what Epic's store does is illegal given that consent it never given to have unrelated files data scraped

>steamdr*nes will still keep using their outdated platform despite Epic eventually offering a better solution
Who would've thought?

So developers need to pay the salvation tax until the end of time? Why can't publishers self publish? They can't because Steam drones on the whole wont move away from their convenient adware unless its to another piece of adware.

>arbitrary laws
eat shit pcbro

Ahaha the anti-steam shills are out in full force today

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>Why can't publishers self publish?
They can
>They can't because Steam drones on the whole wont move away from their convenient adware unless its to another piece of adware.
They can still try to sell the game on their own platforms. Steam isn't a monopoly preventing people from starting their own storefront

I started steam because they were by far the biggest online gaming store around. They also gave portal away for free which was a neat game

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go spend more of your parents money on your shitty profile that nobody reads

Can you really be considered a shill if you are advocating against corporate interests? When will zoomers learn that words have meaning?

Why not? Epic Games and Tencent are far bigger than Valve ever will be.

Nice argument Chan-Dong.

What makes him so """""epic"""""?

Did you even read the article? It's only source is a reddit thread that disproves your point.

>i'm not spoonfeeding you
>find proof for me
You're fucking retarded

A roadmap means shit. Any fucker can go make a trello up in 10 mins doesn't mean its going to actually happen in that time frame.

Epic Store Bad. Gabe Good. You don't want him to starve do you?

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you're so fucking retarded that you think you're smart and call others retarded
you're on a whole nother level of retarded zoomer

Steam isn't a monopoly the same way the social security system isn't a pyramid scheme. It merely looks and functions like one.

>Steam isn't a monopoly preventing people from starting their own storefront
Cause their fans do it for them by boycotting any game not published on Steam.

...

People really have trouble differentiating between a market leader and a monopoly

Clearly GoG has gone out of business because of steam.

GOG doesn't has any major exclusivity.

Epic is pure garbage, it has the least games (and features) out of all stores. It's worthless and they know it, that's why they have to use exclusives, otherwise nobody would use their garbage program for anything other than Fortnite.

Tim Sweeney wouldn't dare badmouth anyone involved in the console business, 90% of Fortnite's playerbase in on consoles.

B-BUT MUH ROADMAP!

>it has the least games (and features) out of all stores.
Hey now, the Epic store is 2nd worst. The worst has to go to Bethesda's piece of shit launcher

How does steam function like a monopoly?

Google, Facebook, and Twitter are "market leaders" too. Changing the way you describe things doesn't alter their nature.

Epic Store is just a autoupdater and a credit card reader which makes it extra funny how butt hurt the steam shills are getting over it

I don't understand your post. OP post suggested that you can buy the same key but just from cheaper 3rd party sellers.

this along with big picture mode is super convenient

Steam also doesn't see a single cent from the money those sites make from selling keys, while still having to provide full services and support for anyone who bought the keys.

GoG just fired a bunch of staff, they're hurting.

That help them to be as popular as they're, tho.
This is the reason why CDPR only sells GOG keys of The Witcher on Amazon and Humble Store and why they also offer free keys as well.

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>lmao dumb zoomer how can we be shills when we are spouting off inaccurate criticisms when the epic store is becoming relevant
Go do your stupid fortnite dancers while china logs your ssn retard

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>This is the reason why CDPR only sells GOG keys of The Witcher on Amazon and Humble Store
I'm pretty sure it's because CDPR and GOG are owned by the same mother company.

That's good and all but...

What if no one buys the games?

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Epic keeps pumping out exclusive deals until the Fortnite money dries up or they realize they'll never take over

sneed

And what criticisms are inaccurate rapebaby?

Okay shill, then don't make another thread until they finally get there. Don't be such a pilpulling kike where your only strategy left is "BUY IT, IT'LL BE BETTER LATER I SWEAR"

surely nobody would want their game on epic's store given that it has millions of players very few other games to compete with fore eyeballs and a lower cut, i mean that would just be crazy talk right?

In Origin and Steam they do sell downloads. If they really believe in DRM-free, they would offer downloads in every store they sell in.

Yea Forums has been and will always be pro steam. Everyone single person on Yea Forums who games on PC uses steam.

Why haven't the mods banned this faggot yet? You've posted this SAME fucking thread with the same photo and text for the past couple of days. Fuck off already.

I didn't know you where a shareholder with Epic. Why does all Epic shilling revolve around potential profit margins like as if that matters a single fuck?

What if I only used Steam because of FO3 and FNV and never used it again?

Steam has millions of players as well, what's your point?

Yea Forums doesn't give a shit about store fronts and launchers, a few loud shills in every one of these thread do

Indie games are sort of bigger now than they've ever been. Half of the good shit to play right now is off brand games.

Also why is it that /biz/, Yea Forums, Yea Forums, Yea Forums, and /jp/ have 0 qualms with piracy but you boot licking semen repositories always bring this shit up? Kill yourself.

I'm sorry user, you have the case of the steams.

>thinks profit margins don't matter when discussing digital stores

???
Is this /biz/? You got a stock portfolio and shares in Epic?

i'm a game dev

I don't know about Origin, but the Steam version of TW3 is DRM-free.

This is a steam user genocide.

You needed Steam to play Counter-Strike 1.6 online. It's literally the only reason people used it, and everyone HATED it. Epic Games is following the same blueprint with a game that's arguable even more popular than Counter-Strike was at the time.

I know. Origin too. I'm criticizing them because they don't offer an standalone download option in those stores that have said feature and just sell a GOG key.

remember when Epic made good games?

OK that's nice, I hope the chink money is enough to carry you.

Nobody cares that you require the Epic launcher to play fortnite.

I'm not sure I understand, are you saying that they should offer GOG keys of the game even if you buy it on Steam or Origin?

That's because only intellectually compromised 12 year olds play Battle Royale games.

No, I'm saying they should offer downloads on Humble Store and Amazon and not just GOG keys.

>Steam got me out of game piracy
>Epic is going to get be back into game piracy
Ah well.

imagine you live in a small village with no general store. if you want honey you have to go to the family who raise bees and buy some honey from them. if you want mutton you have to go to one of the handful of families who raise sheep and get it directly from them
then one family decides to start up a store in town to sell their items. it's more convenient than having to go out to their farm to buy their products, but it's not that great as a store. slowly they convince other families to sell their products through their store and eventually you have a nice little store that sells all the products made in and around the village. a nice and convenient one stop shop for everything you'd want
then along come some filthy chinks buying up real estate. they decide to start up their own general store, but they don't really have any products worth selling so they go around to the families around town and offer them a bunch of cash to stop selling their products at the local general store and to exclusively sell it at their store
and the chinks wonder why the village residents are upset by this. sure the filthy chinks aren't charging more for the same products, but they're not offering any advantage. instead we now have to go to 2 stores in order to get all the items that we used to be able to get from 1 convenient store

I pirated Metro Exodus just last week. First pirated game in goddamn six years

Don't forget the way Epic Client can fuck up your 3rd world router thanks to their botnet :^)

BECAUSE REMEMBER, STEAM ONLY CARRIES VALVE GAMES. EPIC IS THE FIRST TO HAVE THE NOVEL IDEA OF CARRYING GAMES FROM MULTIPLE PUBLISHERS.

PROCONSUMER

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Me too.

Talk about Steam drone brainwashing

>I'm happy to spend money when it's Steam, beep bop

Proof?

Valve's PR did a masterstroke making Gabe out to be some kind of all-knowing father figure. They don't want to "betray" him by shopping at a different store.

Yeah, I also pirated it but haven't played it past the tutorial/intro section. I was mostly curious about the RTX shit. The game seems fine but I doubt I'll finish it any time soon.

The launcher have a spyware and you can't buy The Division 2 or Metro Exodus on any 3° party key seller. You have to be a retard to defend this kind of shit.

Actually, I just want to use a bunch of helpful features that only Steam provides, like controller support + extensive remapping and in-home streaming (as well as integration with GameStream). Sure, I can add anything as a non-Steam game, but if some other platform is just garbage and doesn't offer me equivalent features, why the fuck should I pay them and then use Steam anyway, when I can just use Steam directly and forget about the shit shop entirely?

I think you lost your metaphor somewhere

I just bought The Division 2 through uPlay and only use their shitty launcher. I'm not touching the Epic store.

>like epic is doing
OH YEAH WHAT FUCKING EPIC GAMES IS EPIC USING TO GET PEOPLE TO THEIR STORE?

>Unironically shilling for uPlay

>Buy game on EGS and have to still launch uPlay
>Buy key for uPlay and only have to launch uPlay and it's cheaper

Gee I wonder which people should prefer to use